Please see the discussion here. The Squirrel Conspiracy ( talk) 22:59, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
Please feel free to leave comments at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Super Smash Bros. Ultimate tournaments/archive1.
Sincerely, The Squirrel Conspiracy ( talk) 22:26, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
I was wondering if the creator(s) of the OWL and CDL roster templates could make a similar one for League of Legends teams or help univeralise the existing ones. I think they are very good templates, but I am unable to duplicate the scripting or construction of the templates myself. I could use either existing template for League of Legends teams, but I am not sure if that is appropriate. CentreLeftRight ✉ 08:12, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
So, the WESG article needed to be updated. When I looked at the article, I saw that WESG 2018, a tournament that happened 1,5 years ago, was indeed not in the article. I did what I could, but I only follow the esport scene of CSGO. Can someone that follows the esport scene of Dota 2, Starcraft 2 or/and Hearthstone write some kind of summary of the tournament like I did for the csgo one? Thanks. ~Styyx Hi! ^-^ 18:33, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
Hello, I was exploring wikipedia/video games and i was surprised to find that there are none india related esport articles, for eg. esport teams/organisations in india while as india has a very huge esport industry and worth being on wikipedia, like indian teams/organisations who have played major and notable tournaments, while as other countries which are less notable have these articles present on wikipedia, also since my first article’s subject was related to esports i have had done some research so i would like to contribute, looking for someone who can guide me with the writing style. Thanks. Hums4r ( Let's Talk) 08:02, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
I must apologize if this is not how this is supposed to be dealt with. After the draft European Speedrunner Assembly was tagged with "Expert needed" I expected it to possibly take a while for a full review and a potential inclusion in the main content of Wikipedia. However, the template "Expert needed" later was tagged to be up for debate whether or not it should be deleted. I looked through the arguments and based on my understanding the template does not notify any parties to help review the article. I therefore came here, as the template mentions one should reach out to the WikiProject.
Can WikiProject Video games help to review the article? The article is originally researched by me, and after published as a draft it has been changed and improved by me and another user. I don't intend to rush the review, I am simply making sure it doesn't fall into the shadows because of the template. Forscha ( talk) 03:57, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
Hello CentreLeftRight, Alyo, Hope you're safe and doing good. I wanted to ask can we create a group of people to work on the esport article's. I was shocked to see Major esport org's like Cloud 9 And Fnatic to have maintainence tags on their article's. I think we should create a group of people who are interested in esports and update all these article's. what do you think Hums4r ( Let's Talk) 11:36, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
I'm currently working on cleaning (these extremely messy, unsourced, and unreliably sourced) esports team articles in the following ways:
I've already made major changes to Cloud9, Counter Logic Gaming, Rogue (esports), Team SoloMid, Dignitas (esports), and Fnatic. I'm writing here to see if anyone opposes the changes I am making or if anyone is willing to help out with these changes on other articles. Pbrks ( talk) 16:06, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
Hey Gamers,
If anyone would like to add information to this
Draft on Guild Esports, it would be really helpful because i'm planning to create this article. It is a Public Company as well so should meet WP:NORG as well.
This meets the WP GNG and WP:ESPORTS as it has really good sources available.
Forbes
Esports Insider
Esports Talk
The Public Listing
Warm Regards
Abhayesports (
talk)
13:30, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
Hello, There are many article's that have maintainence tag's mostly Fan POV on them since so long, And no one seems to work on removing the FANPOV part.
Posting this here so that it comes into notice of fellow esport enthusiasts and so that we can work on perfecting these article's because it all these tag's are just lying there if no one ever looks into it and i've noticed that wikipedia doesn't have enough esport editors so i don't think the other mainstream editors would be interested in working on esports. thanks
Some major esport org related article's which require attention:-
Cloud9
Natus_Vincere
Team_Liquid
Complexity_Gaming
Asterisk_(esports)
Abhayesports
20:47, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
Hi, I would like to propose the addition of Total earning's earned by any esport organisation.
I believe the number's are pretty big for every organisation and would serve a purpose just like we add net worth in BLP.
Warm Regards---
Abhay Esports
Talk To Me
18:07, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
| earnings =
There is a discussion at Template talk:Infobox video game player regarding adding team colors for esports player articles, similar to other sports player articles. Opinions are welcome. Pbrks ( talk) 01:53, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
Hello there, I would like to discuss that can I create pages related to some popular esports teams in India. According to Wikipedia Policy on Reliable Sources, there are sufficient reliable sources are present that can be used as citations for creating those articles. Any feedback or suggestions will be appreciated. Iamrajdeepdas ( talk) 06:06, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
There are not sufficient sources available for indian eSports. Can you please check if AFK Gaming is a reliable source? Aaditya.abh ( talk) 06:36, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
I frequently see edits like
this on CS:GO articles (
JaacTreee this just happens to be a recent example--I don't mean to specifically call you out) and I'd just like to clarify consensus on this issue. To briefly summarize the relevant policy on this,
MOS:FLAG as a whole is fairly restrictive about use of flags in articles.
MOS:INFOBOXFLAG even more specifically says to avoid flags in infoboxes unless it's to list the national flag icon of an athlete who competes in competitions where national flags are commonly used as representations of sporting nationality in a given sport.
MOS:SPORTFLAG says that flags should only indicate the sportsperson's national squad/team or representative nationality.
In the esports I follow it's fairly common to colloquially refer to teams by the country of player origin ("The Danish team Astralis..."), which is essentially the entirety of the pro-flag argument. On the other hand, those policies are explicitly about individuals, not teams, and the teams in question do not actually represent any country. In the case of flags for individuals, like
HLTV#HLTV Top 20 players, those players are similarly not representing their country. And of course every policy reason that has led editors to create MOS:FLAGS applies in spades to esports. Are there any arguments I'm missing? I think this is fairly straightfoward, but since fans are going to want to constantly add these back I just want to have a discussion I can link to.
Alyo (
chat·
edits)
22:25, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
I bring up this discussion after it was recommended at WP:AN/EW.
There are several player articles that use the {{ medal}} template series. The {{ Infobox video game player}} already has the "Career highlights and awards" field, so there are very few reasons to use the Medal templates. The use of the Medals template tends to get overfilled with every first-, second-, or third-place finish that a player gets in a bunch of esports tournaments (that is, we dont need articles looking like this, which is by far not the worst I've seen).
I have two proposals, with a third being the "do nothing" option:
– Pbrks ( t • c) 17:56, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and removed all instances of the medal templates from esports player articles, citing this discussion as the reason. – Pbrks ( t • c) 23:46, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
Hello there. I'm new at Wikipedia and need ur help. I made draft, which is article from russian language Wikipedia, about Ivan Danishevsky. It was declined, because draft looks like advertisement. Thats why im here. Give me some advice how to make article on English Wikipedia from draft.
Link on draft below: /info/en/?search=Draft:Ivan_Danishevsky — Preceding unsigned comment added by Швец Виталий ( talk • contribs) 15:16, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Hi all! I need a second opinion for Space Soldiers (esports), specifically the "Controversies" section. When I created this two years ago it seemed a good idea to add that stuff in (because I was stupid) and I haven't touched that section ever since, which is also the reason why the writing sucks a bit there. Now, are the first two incidents—ESL ban and Spitting incident—really relevant? I'm not sure. If those two get removed, then I can move the final one into the history section and reword it a bit, but do I need to remove it? Or also add a small mention in the history section? Or keep the sections as they are but do some copyediting? Thanks. ~Styyx Talk? 13:05, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
One issue I see on a lot of team pages is a ton of empty sections only with rosters. I went ahead and made the template {{ Esports roster multi}}. I figure it could be used on team pages that field many, many teams in different games. For example, see FaZe Clan before and after. Let me know what you all think. – Pbrks ( t • c) 03:28, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
Would some members of this WIkiProject could take a look at Talk:British Esports#Requested move 14 September 2022? Since no one responded to the WP:RM, the requester essentially WP:BOLDly moved the page. BOLD page moves are fine per se per WP:RMNOT, but it might be a good idea to have some one else look at this or even perhaps close the RM per WP:RMCLOSE#Who can close requested moves. FWIW, the source provided as well as the organization's official website do seem to support the name change; so, maybe nothing further needs to be done. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 21:20, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
For anyone interested, SI recently created a dedicated esports coverage website Esports Illustrated. Haven't gotten around to looking at it, but I'm sure there's some great coverage in there. – Pbrks ( t • c) 05:44, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
Hey there,
I'm a 21 year-old pro VALORANT player currently living in Egypt, playing for Team RA'AD (By Telecom Egypt) https://raad.gg/ Played International Tournaments, Local Tournaments and you can find the full list of tournaments I participated in in the links below
Here's my achievements on Liquipedia.net https://liquipedia.net/valorant/Phaze Also, this esportscharts website https://escharts.com/players/phaze VLR.gg: https://www.vlr.gg/player/10458/phaze Verified News articles about us competing in International Esports Tournaments hosted by Red Bull & Riot Games themselves (Owners of VALORANT & League of Legends) YallaKora: https://www.yallakora.com/news/434412/-%D8%A5%D9%84%D9%89-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%B2%D9%8A%D9%84-%D9%81%D8%B1%D9%8A%D9%82-%D8%B1%D8%B9%D8%AF-%D9%8A%D8%AA%D9%88%D8%AC-%D8%A8%D8%A8%D8%B7%D9%88%D9%84%D8%A9-%D8%B1%D8%AF-%D8%A8-%D9%84-%D9%83%D8%A7%D9%85%D8%A8%D8%B3-%D9%83%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%AA%D8%B4-%D9%88%D9%8A%D8%AA%D8%A3%D9%87%D9%84-%D9%84%D8%A8%D8%B7%D9%88%D9%84%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85-%D9%84%D9%81%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D9%88%D9%86%D8%AA Youm7: https://www.youm7.com/Tags/Index?id=2194684&tag=%d9%81%d8%b1%d9%8a%d9%82-%d8%b1%d8%b9%d8%af TheSpike: https://www.thespike.gg/player/phaze/26464
Also, if you need more sources or you could help me ask for ones, please let me know. Jeaysen ( talk) 05:34, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
This deletion discussion is likely of interest to people following this project specifically. ~ Maplestrip/Mable ( chat) 11:41, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
Can you create a page for PUBG Global Championship. like this https://liquipedia.net/pubg/PUBG_Global_Championship — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2400:56A0:8A3:43A:EF58:2328:DBC9:197A ( talk) 10:21, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
Where are we at on coming up with a notability guideline for players? I saw some talks about editing the notability guideline for sports, but maybe esports should have its own. Unlike traditional sports we will need a pretty rigorous way of determining if the game itself is notable, and we have a lot of players who are also casters or otherwise personalities and it might be hard to figure out where to draw the line on someone who has a decent regional career and then becomes a fairly well known caster and a pretty good youtube analyst. People who are extremely well known but never being at the top of any of these things individually. For StarCraft 2 examples, people like Harstem or Incontrol would be difficult to decide on if we're going by traditional sports guidelines. Good players, but not world champions. Good casters, but not GSL casters with 14 year careers. Good analysts and youtubers, but not as popular as the giants. This is the kind of problem traditional sports doesn't need to have as rigorous of an answer to.
Point is, I think we have some things to figure out that are unique to esports and maybe instead of trying to work our way into the traditional sports guidelines it would be better to branch off into our own system for what counts as a notable game, and which players/personalities of those games are notable. I'm willing to start gnawing on this problem but I am new here and I want to know if there's already a consensus on this idea. Cyrusabyrd ( talk) 11:04, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
Merger discussion here. A proposed merger of Pata (esports) and Porin Ässät. – Poriman55 - Meddela mig! 19:21, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
![]() | Video games: Esports Project‑class | ||||||||||||||||||||
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Please see the discussion here. The Squirrel Conspiracy ( talk) 22:59, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
Please feel free to leave comments at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Super Smash Bros. Ultimate tournaments/archive1.
Sincerely, The Squirrel Conspiracy ( talk) 22:26, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
I was wondering if the creator(s) of the OWL and CDL roster templates could make a similar one for League of Legends teams or help univeralise the existing ones. I think they are very good templates, but I am unable to duplicate the scripting or construction of the templates myself. I could use either existing template for League of Legends teams, but I am not sure if that is appropriate. CentreLeftRight ✉ 08:12, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
So, the WESG article needed to be updated. When I looked at the article, I saw that WESG 2018, a tournament that happened 1,5 years ago, was indeed not in the article. I did what I could, but I only follow the esport scene of CSGO. Can someone that follows the esport scene of Dota 2, Starcraft 2 or/and Hearthstone write some kind of summary of the tournament like I did for the csgo one? Thanks. ~Styyx Hi! ^-^ 18:33, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
Hello, I was exploring wikipedia/video games and i was surprised to find that there are none india related esport articles, for eg. esport teams/organisations in india while as india has a very huge esport industry and worth being on wikipedia, like indian teams/organisations who have played major and notable tournaments, while as other countries which are less notable have these articles present on wikipedia, also since my first article’s subject was related to esports i have had done some research so i would like to contribute, looking for someone who can guide me with the writing style. Thanks. Hums4r ( Let's Talk) 08:02, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
I must apologize if this is not how this is supposed to be dealt with. After the draft European Speedrunner Assembly was tagged with "Expert needed" I expected it to possibly take a while for a full review and a potential inclusion in the main content of Wikipedia. However, the template "Expert needed" later was tagged to be up for debate whether or not it should be deleted. I looked through the arguments and based on my understanding the template does not notify any parties to help review the article. I therefore came here, as the template mentions one should reach out to the WikiProject.
Can WikiProject Video games help to review the article? The article is originally researched by me, and after published as a draft it has been changed and improved by me and another user. I don't intend to rush the review, I am simply making sure it doesn't fall into the shadows because of the template. Forscha ( talk) 03:57, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
Hello CentreLeftRight, Alyo, Hope you're safe and doing good. I wanted to ask can we create a group of people to work on the esport article's. I was shocked to see Major esport org's like Cloud 9 And Fnatic to have maintainence tags on their article's. I think we should create a group of people who are interested in esports and update all these article's. what do you think Hums4r ( Let's Talk) 11:36, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
I'm currently working on cleaning (these extremely messy, unsourced, and unreliably sourced) esports team articles in the following ways:
I've already made major changes to Cloud9, Counter Logic Gaming, Rogue (esports), Team SoloMid, Dignitas (esports), and Fnatic. I'm writing here to see if anyone opposes the changes I am making or if anyone is willing to help out with these changes on other articles. Pbrks ( talk) 16:06, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
Hey Gamers,
If anyone would like to add information to this
Draft on Guild Esports, it would be really helpful because i'm planning to create this article. It is a Public Company as well so should meet WP:NORG as well.
This meets the WP GNG and WP:ESPORTS as it has really good sources available.
Forbes
Esports Insider
Esports Talk
The Public Listing
Warm Regards
Abhayesports (
talk)
13:30, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
Hello, There are many article's that have maintainence tag's mostly Fan POV on them since so long, And no one seems to work on removing the FANPOV part.
Posting this here so that it comes into notice of fellow esport enthusiasts and so that we can work on perfecting these article's because it all these tag's are just lying there if no one ever looks into it and i've noticed that wikipedia doesn't have enough esport editors so i don't think the other mainstream editors would be interested in working on esports. thanks
Some major esport org related article's which require attention:-
Cloud9
Natus_Vincere
Team_Liquid
Complexity_Gaming
Asterisk_(esports)
Abhayesports
20:47, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
Hi, I would like to propose the addition of Total earning's earned by any esport organisation.
I believe the number's are pretty big for every organisation and would serve a purpose just like we add net worth in BLP.
Warm Regards---
Abhay Esports
Talk To Me
18:07, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
| earnings =
There is a discussion at Template talk:Infobox video game player regarding adding team colors for esports player articles, similar to other sports player articles. Opinions are welcome. Pbrks ( talk) 01:53, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
Hello there, I would like to discuss that can I create pages related to some popular esports teams in India. According to Wikipedia Policy on Reliable Sources, there are sufficient reliable sources are present that can be used as citations for creating those articles. Any feedback or suggestions will be appreciated. Iamrajdeepdas ( talk) 06:06, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
There are not sufficient sources available for indian eSports. Can you please check if AFK Gaming is a reliable source? Aaditya.abh ( talk) 06:36, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
I frequently see edits like
this on CS:GO articles (
JaacTreee this just happens to be a recent example--I don't mean to specifically call you out) and I'd just like to clarify consensus on this issue. To briefly summarize the relevant policy on this,
MOS:FLAG as a whole is fairly restrictive about use of flags in articles.
MOS:INFOBOXFLAG even more specifically says to avoid flags in infoboxes unless it's to list the national flag icon of an athlete who competes in competitions where national flags are commonly used as representations of sporting nationality in a given sport.
MOS:SPORTFLAG says that flags should only indicate the sportsperson's national squad/team or representative nationality.
In the esports I follow it's fairly common to colloquially refer to teams by the country of player origin ("The Danish team Astralis..."), which is essentially the entirety of the pro-flag argument. On the other hand, those policies are explicitly about individuals, not teams, and the teams in question do not actually represent any country. In the case of flags for individuals, like
HLTV#HLTV Top 20 players, those players are similarly not representing their country. And of course every policy reason that has led editors to create MOS:FLAGS applies in spades to esports. Are there any arguments I'm missing? I think this is fairly straightfoward, but since fans are going to want to constantly add these back I just want to have a discussion I can link to.
Alyo (
chat·
edits)
22:25, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
I bring up this discussion after it was recommended at WP:AN/EW.
There are several player articles that use the {{ medal}} template series. The {{ Infobox video game player}} already has the "Career highlights and awards" field, so there are very few reasons to use the Medal templates. The use of the Medals template tends to get overfilled with every first-, second-, or third-place finish that a player gets in a bunch of esports tournaments (that is, we dont need articles looking like this, which is by far not the worst I've seen).
I have two proposals, with a third being the "do nothing" option:
– Pbrks ( t • c) 17:56, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and removed all instances of the medal templates from esports player articles, citing this discussion as the reason. – Pbrks ( t • c) 23:46, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
Hello there. I'm new at Wikipedia and need ur help. I made draft, which is article from russian language Wikipedia, about Ivan Danishevsky. It was declined, because draft looks like advertisement. Thats why im here. Give me some advice how to make article on English Wikipedia from draft.
Link on draft below: /info/en/?search=Draft:Ivan_Danishevsky — Preceding unsigned comment added by Швец Виталий ( talk • contribs) 15:16, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Hi all! I need a second opinion for Space Soldiers (esports), specifically the "Controversies" section. When I created this two years ago it seemed a good idea to add that stuff in (because I was stupid) and I haven't touched that section ever since, which is also the reason why the writing sucks a bit there. Now, are the first two incidents—ESL ban and Spitting incident—really relevant? I'm not sure. If those two get removed, then I can move the final one into the history section and reword it a bit, but do I need to remove it? Or also add a small mention in the history section? Or keep the sections as they are but do some copyediting? Thanks. ~Styyx Talk? 13:05, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
One issue I see on a lot of team pages is a ton of empty sections only with rosters. I went ahead and made the template {{ Esports roster multi}}. I figure it could be used on team pages that field many, many teams in different games. For example, see FaZe Clan before and after. Let me know what you all think. – Pbrks ( t • c) 03:28, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
Would some members of this WIkiProject could take a look at Talk:British Esports#Requested move 14 September 2022? Since no one responded to the WP:RM, the requester essentially WP:BOLDly moved the page. BOLD page moves are fine per se per WP:RMNOT, but it might be a good idea to have some one else look at this or even perhaps close the RM per WP:RMCLOSE#Who can close requested moves. FWIW, the source provided as well as the organization's official website do seem to support the name change; so, maybe nothing further needs to be done. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 21:20, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
For anyone interested, SI recently created a dedicated esports coverage website Esports Illustrated. Haven't gotten around to looking at it, but I'm sure there's some great coverage in there. – Pbrks ( t • c) 05:44, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
Hey there,
I'm a 21 year-old pro VALORANT player currently living in Egypt, playing for Team RA'AD (By Telecom Egypt) https://raad.gg/ Played International Tournaments, Local Tournaments and you can find the full list of tournaments I participated in in the links below
Here's my achievements on Liquipedia.net https://liquipedia.net/valorant/Phaze Also, this esportscharts website https://escharts.com/players/phaze VLR.gg: https://www.vlr.gg/player/10458/phaze Verified News articles about us competing in International Esports Tournaments hosted by Red Bull & Riot Games themselves (Owners of VALORANT & League of Legends) YallaKora: https://www.yallakora.com/news/434412/-%D8%A5%D9%84%D9%89-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%B2%D9%8A%D9%84-%D9%81%D8%B1%D9%8A%D9%82-%D8%B1%D8%B9%D8%AF-%D9%8A%D8%AA%D9%88%D8%AC-%D8%A8%D8%A8%D8%B7%D9%88%D9%84%D8%A9-%D8%B1%D8%AF-%D8%A8-%D9%84-%D9%83%D8%A7%D9%85%D8%A8%D8%B3-%D9%83%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%AA%D8%B4-%D9%88%D9%8A%D8%AA%D8%A3%D9%87%D9%84-%D9%84%D8%A8%D8%B7%D9%88%D9%84%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85-%D9%84%D9%81%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D9%88%D9%86%D8%AA Youm7: https://www.youm7.com/Tags/Index?id=2194684&tag=%d9%81%d8%b1%d9%8a%d9%82-%d8%b1%d8%b9%d8%af TheSpike: https://www.thespike.gg/player/phaze/26464
Also, if you need more sources or you could help me ask for ones, please let me know. Jeaysen ( talk) 05:34, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
This deletion discussion is likely of interest to people following this project specifically. ~ Maplestrip/Mable ( chat) 11:41, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
Can you create a page for PUBG Global Championship. like this https://liquipedia.net/pubg/PUBG_Global_Championship — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2400:56A0:8A3:43A:EF58:2328:DBC9:197A ( talk) 10:21, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
Where are we at on coming up with a notability guideline for players? I saw some talks about editing the notability guideline for sports, but maybe esports should have its own. Unlike traditional sports we will need a pretty rigorous way of determining if the game itself is notable, and we have a lot of players who are also casters or otherwise personalities and it might be hard to figure out where to draw the line on someone who has a decent regional career and then becomes a fairly well known caster and a pretty good youtube analyst. People who are extremely well known but never being at the top of any of these things individually. For StarCraft 2 examples, people like Harstem or Incontrol would be difficult to decide on if we're going by traditional sports guidelines. Good players, but not world champions. Good casters, but not GSL casters with 14 year careers. Good analysts and youtubers, but not as popular as the giants. This is the kind of problem traditional sports doesn't need to have as rigorous of an answer to.
Point is, I think we have some things to figure out that are unique to esports and maybe instead of trying to work our way into the traditional sports guidelines it would be better to branch off into our own system for what counts as a notable game, and which players/personalities of those games are notable. I'm willing to start gnawing on this problem but I am new here and I want to know if there's already a consensus on this idea. Cyrusabyrd ( talk) 11:04, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
Merger discussion here. A proposed merger of Pata (esports) and Porin Ässät. – Poriman55 - Meddela mig! 19:21, 9 May 2024 (UTC)