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Note: The following discussion was transferred from Talk:Super Smash Bros. Brawl
High importance: Mario, LoZ, Pokemon, Metroid. The AAA franchises.
Smash is nowhere near an AAA franchise with only 6 million copies sold. It's just a party game. Wikipedian06 08:34, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Considering the game's popularity as a series, I would say it is important. - Sukecchi 12:59, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Smash is nowhere near an AAA franchise with only 6 million copies sold. It's just a party game. Wikipedian06 08:34, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedien o6 you can prove a point you but when you name call your just be childish and what's the big deal if it of high importance I mean right now its one of the games that has new information for it every day and by calling it party game defeats the purpose of you writing because so what if it is a so-called party game it still is extremely successful and if you don't call Wii Sports a party game well there is something wrong with you. Marioman12 14:42, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
First off, Mario Galaxy's release time has been known longer than SSBB's, i believe. Secondly, you're trying to make the point that in order to be a "AAA" franchise, the game needs to beat Nintendo's main franchise? That's pretty faulty logic. Considering the massive undertaking that nintendo is using involving this game, and the excitment generated anytime new info is released about it in the gaming media, you have no legs to stand on. Last I checked, I believe Nintendo Power had a section with new info on brawl or talking about brawl in every edition. The only person I've encountered who seems to think otherwise is you. DurinsBane87 15:37, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
What the heck is AAA?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.186.101.182 ( talk) 18:43, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
By "AAA" he's probably refferencing to high selling series, as in Mario and Zelda. Atomic Religione 20:24, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
SHUT UP!!! This isn't a forum or your little 4chan crap, "noob(s)" :). Thank you. *kaburicho 03:30, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
"High importance" is defined by the WikiProject. It's not whether or not we think it's going to sell 10 million or more copies or if it has so-and-so character in it. Whether or not it's a "party game", "fighting game", or whatever, doesn't matter and we don't need to be discussing it here. Please cease the personal attacks and only discuss how to improve THIS article. This is not a fanboy forum. Thanks. Useight 05:50, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
The discussion was moved to this talk page because it is more relevant to WP:NES' workings than to Super Smash Bros. Brawl's article. Any thoughts on the matter? You Can ' t Review Me!!! 07:36, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
I think we should put a Category Tree on the main project page for easier navigation. Maybe something like this:
<categorytree mode="all" depth="2" hideroot="on" style="border-top:2px solid #CF5440; border-bottom:2px solid #CF5440; border-left:2px solid #CF5440; border-right:2px solid #CF5440; width: 500px; height:200px; overflow:auto; padding:4px; align:left">Nintendo articles by type</categorytree>
The border matches the color used in
Template:NES. The width is set so that all pages fit on one text line even with all the categories expanded. I was not able to get the depth setting to work and would also like to remove the namespace names to make it look neater. I do not know how to do this but asked
here (at the bottom).
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bse3 (
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02:19, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
At Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources, there is a proposed guideline on sources in articles in the scope of WP:VG. As a lot of the Nintendo articles are in this scope, it may be relevant to the project. Your edits and comments are appreciated. User:Krator ( t c) 15:21, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Currently, Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars has two lists pertaining to it ( List of characters in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars, and List of locations in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars). User:TTN decided it would be best to merge the lists into the main article and split Smithy Gang into those articles. I recently merged Smithy Gang into the list of chatacters by removing the non-notable characters, and I have asserted that a cameo section in the list of characters is valid, per Wikipedia:Trivia sections and Wikipedia:Handling trivia that uses Alex Trebek#Cameos as a good example. I have suggested that we rename the articles per Wikipedia:Requested moves#Requesting potentially controversial moves to something along the lines of Characters of Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars and World of Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars or Mushroom Kingdom (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars) just like Characters of Final Fantasy VIII and World of Final Fantasy VI or Gaia (Final Fantasy VII). I believe if these articles are to evolve beyond a non-notable list, they should be renamed. For example, List of Final Fantasy VII locations was merged into Gaia (Final Fantasy VII), because a World article is notable, but a simple list of locations is not. That is why there are other secions of the article to make it a World article. It simply has not been renamed yet.
TTN believes the citations in the development and reception sections of the list of locations, books and magazines, are trivial sources. When I added that the 3D perspective of the game is reminicent of Equinox to the main article, TTN removed it since my souce was "the opinions of the Nintendo Power player's guide writers". Although it was actually Nintendo Power magazine, I do believe a magazine is a reliable source, and I gave a page from Next Generation Magazine which also said the same thing. In addition, I was surprized that TTN said that it was from the players guide, since he claims to own the players guide for the game. He has not verified this, since I asked him for citations in May, "Could you look in the back of the Player's Guide and tell me what “types” of … Magic? I forgot what they call it in the game … well, anyways, what types of Special Attack or whatever it is (actually, could you find out what it's called?) there are? I remember some vaguely when I owned the guide like “Fire”, “Jump”, “Electricity?”, etc. Could you provide a citation, like the page number with a quote in context?" TTN replied that he was going to "get to it" ( User talk:TTN/Archive 5#List of locations in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars). TTN claims the player's guide is "at the bottom of a box that's behind at least five others in a cramped space". Seeing that TTN did not recognize that the page was not from the player's guide when I provided a scan of the page in question from Nintendo Power shocked me. However, I have continued to assume good faith by not questioning TTN's honesty.
Per Wikipedia:Consensus#Consensus can change, I have offered five different reasonable, temporary compromises that might integrate my idea with TTN's.
TTN rejected my compromise because it still keeps the articles. I agreed I would consider a redirect, but Wikipedia:Article size does not allow that, since the list of locations is currently 82 KB long. Instead, I agreed to help cut down the geography section that is the bulk of the article, but TTN rejected that as well because TTN states, "I am not interested in working on the article in regards to improving it." and "get past this "having sources automatically means that this information is good" mentality." TTN states, "I don't think they have or will ever assert notability." I have replied with, " Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, so if you don't think the articles will ever assert notability, we cannot yet know this, per Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions#I don't like it.
Would you please take a look at Talk:Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars and give us your thoughts? Taric25 00:32, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Mabye someone should create a WikiProject for the Metroid series. I would join it since I have played just about every game in the Metroid universe. Thor231 19:45, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
a while ago I created a page that listed the characters of the paper mario series. It became a huge article, with tons of people contributing, and then once perfected, or close enough to it, people starttyed editing less. I did the same, as it had been under fire before, and was saved, but then User:TTN placed a merge suggestion, but was discourteous enough to not inform anyone, so when I only checked my talk page for messages, I was unaware of this tag. I came back to look at it, and didn't see the article, and found out it was merged, with none of the original content on the merged article. Can someone help me gather enough support to bring back this article? C. Pineda (クリス) 01:47, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
What link should I provide? List of Paper Mario series characters This is the article...but it's only a redirect now because of the unauthorized merge (unauthorized by my standards). C. Pineda (クリス) 03:59, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
TTN said that "There is no need for a general character list because we have three game articles that cover the single game characters, and this one can easily handle a few paragraphs describing the recurring characters and the general trends (various party members, explorer stereotype, ect)." That's it, and his reason for merging it without discussion was because that discussion topic wasn't talked about for a week, but of course no one knew about it because he didn't leave a friendly note on anyone's talk age (me especially as I'm the original author) and I'm sure because of the almost completeness of the article, people didn't quite see it. I know, since I don't have the time all day to check one single article. C. Pineda (クリス) 16:56, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I need help here. No effort is getting done with this, and I'm too busy during the week to keep fighting. Can someone, preferably and admin, help me out here? Or else this valuable article, filled with rich Nintendo Knowledge will be put out forever.
C. Pineda (クリス) 04:30, 22 October 2007 (UTC) Nevermind, I took matters into my own hands. The discussion is being put to rest, because of more support on one side. thanks to those who tried to help.
C. Pineda (クリス)
00:20, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
I've done a little work on this article and had a quick question. According to the tag on the discussion page of the article it lists this as being a "start class" article in this project. I think this article is a little better than start class at this point. How do articles get reassessed in the project. I'm thinking it's at least a B class article at this point. Elhector 22:33, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
First, I have a question about the Wikiproject page. Is the following item really neccessary?
Couldn't you just look at the article's history? Or is this in case the article gets deleted or something?
Second, I'm new to the Nintendo Wikiproject (and also Wikipedia). I've improved the article
Nitrobike a bit, and I was wondering if it would be okay to remove the stub tags. Also, feel free to give some suggestions about the article if you'd like.
Filovirus 05:56, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
![]() | This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | ← | Archive 3 | Archive 4 | Archive 5 | Archive 6 | Archive 7 | → | Archive 10 |
Note: The following discussion was transferred from Talk:Super Smash Bros. Brawl
High importance: Mario, LoZ, Pokemon, Metroid. The AAA franchises.
Smash is nowhere near an AAA franchise with only 6 million copies sold. It's just a party game. Wikipedian06 08:34, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Considering the game's popularity as a series, I would say it is important. - Sukecchi 12:59, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Smash is nowhere near an AAA franchise with only 6 million copies sold. It's just a party game. Wikipedian06 08:34, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedien o6 you can prove a point you but when you name call your just be childish and what's the big deal if it of high importance I mean right now its one of the games that has new information for it every day and by calling it party game defeats the purpose of you writing because so what if it is a so-called party game it still is extremely successful and if you don't call Wii Sports a party game well there is something wrong with you. Marioman12 14:42, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
First off, Mario Galaxy's release time has been known longer than SSBB's, i believe. Secondly, you're trying to make the point that in order to be a "AAA" franchise, the game needs to beat Nintendo's main franchise? That's pretty faulty logic. Considering the massive undertaking that nintendo is using involving this game, and the excitment generated anytime new info is released about it in the gaming media, you have no legs to stand on. Last I checked, I believe Nintendo Power had a section with new info on brawl or talking about brawl in every edition. The only person I've encountered who seems to think otherwise is you. DurinsBane87 15:37, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
What the heck is AAA?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.186.101.182 ( talk) 18:43, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
By "AAA" he's probably refferencing to high selling series, as in Mario and Zelda. Atomic Religione 20:24, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
SHUT UP!!! This isn't a forum or your little 4chan crap, "noob(s)" :). Thank you. *kaburicho 03:30, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
"High importance" is defined by the WikiProject. It's not whether or not we think it's going to sell 10 million or more copies or if it has so-and-so character in it. Whether or not it's a "party game", "fighting game", or whatever, doesn't matter and we don't need to be discussing it here. Please cease the personal attacks and only discuss how to improve THIS article. This is not a fanboy forum. Thanks. Useight 05:50, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
The discussion was moved to this talk page because it is more relevant to WP:NES' workings than to Super Smash Bros. Brawl's article. Any thoughts on the matter? You Can ' t Review Me!!! 07:36, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
I think we should put a Category Tree on the main project page for easier navigation. Maybe something like this:
<categorytree mode="all" depth="2" hideroot="on" style="border-top:2px solid #CF5440; border-bottom:2px solid #CF5440; border-left:2px solid #CF5440; border-right:2px solid #CF5440; width: 500px; height:200px; overflow:auto; padding:4px; align:left">Nintendo articles by type</categorytree>
The border matches the color used in
Template:NES. The width is set so that all pages fit on one text line even with all the categories expanded. I was not able to get the depth setting to work and would also like to remove the namespace names to make it look neater. I do not know how to do this but asked
here (at the bottom).
–
bse3 (
talk •
contribs •
count •
logs)
02:19, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
At Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources, there is a proposed guideline on sources in articles in the scope of WP:VG. As a lot of the Nintendo articles are in this scope, it may be relevant to the project. Your edits and comments are appreciated. User:Krator ( t c) 15:21, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Currently, Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars has two lists pertaining to it ( List of characters in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars, and List of locations in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars). User:TTN decided it would be best to merge the lists into the main article and split Smithy Gang into those articles. I recently merged Smithy Gang into the list of chatacters by removing the non-notable characters, and I have asserted that a cameo section in the list of characters is valid, per Wikipedia:Trivia sections and Wikipedia:Handling trivia that uses Alex Trebek#Cameos as a good example. I have suggested that we rename the articles per Wikipedia:Requested moves#Requesting potentially controversial moves to something along the lines of Characters of Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars and World of Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars or Mushroom Kingdom (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars) just like Characters of Final Fantasy VIII and World of Final Fantasy VI or Gaia (Final Fantasy VII). I believe if these articles are to evolve beyond a non-notable list, they should be renamed. For example, List of Final Fantasy VII locations was merged into Gaia (Final Fantasy VII), because a World article is notable, but a simple list of locations is not. That is why there are other secions of the article to make it a World article. It simply has not been renamed yet.
TTN believes the citations in the development and reception sections of the list of locations, books and magazines, are trivial sources. When I added that the 3D perspective of the game is reminicent of Equinox to the main article, TTN removed it since my souce was "the opinions of the Nintendo Power player's guide writers". Although it was actually Nintendo Power magazine, I do believe a magazine is a reliable source, and I gave a page from Next Generation Magazine which also said the same thing. In addition, I was surprized that TTN said that it was from the players guide, since he claims to own the players guide for the game. He has not verified this, since I asked him for citations in May, "Could you look in the back of the Player's Guide and tell me what “types” of … Magic? I forgot what they call it in the game … well, anyways, what types of Special Attack or whatever it is (actually, could you find out what it's called?) there are? I remember some vaguely when I owned the guide like “Fire”, “Jump”, “Electricity?”, etc. Could you provide a citation, like the page number with a quote in context?" TTN replied that he was going to "get to it" ( User talk:TTN/Archive 5#List of locations in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars). TTN claims the player's guide is "at the bottom of a box that's behind at least five others in a cramped space". Seeing that TTN did not recognize that the page was not from the player's guide when I provided a scan of the page in question from Nintendo Power shocked me. However, I have continued to assume good faith by not questioning TTN's honesty.
Per Wikipedia:Consensus#Consensus can change, I have offered five different reasonable, temporary compromises that might integrate my idea with TTN's.
TTN rejected my compromise because it still keeps the articles. I agreed I would consider a redirect, but Wikipedia:Article size does not allow that, since the list of locations is currently 82 KB long. Instead, I agreed to help cut down the geography section that is the bulk of the article, but TTN rejected that as well because TTN states, "I am not interested in working on the article in regards to improving it." and "get past this "having sources automatically means that this information is good" mentality." TTN states, "I don't think they have or will ever assert notability." I have replied with, " Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, so if you don't think the articles will ever assert notability, we cannot yet know this, per Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions#I don't like it.
Would you please take a look at Talk:Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars and give us your thoughts? Taric25 00:32, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Mabye someone should create a WikiProject for the Metroid series. I would join it since I have played just about every game in the Metroid universe. Thor231 19:45, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
a while ago I created a page that listed the characters of the paper mario series. It became a huge article, with tons of people contributing, and then once perfected, or close enough to it, people starttyed editing less. I did the same, as it had been under fire before, and was saved, but then User:TTN placed a merge suggestion, but was discourteous enough to not inform anyone, so when I only checked my talk page for messages, I was unaware of this tag. I came back to look at it, and didn't see the article, and found out it was merged, with none of the original content on the merged article. Can someone help me gather enough support to bring back this article? C. Pineda (クリス) 01:47, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
What link should I provide? List of Paper Mario series characters This is the article...but it's only a redirect now because of the unauthorized merge (unauthorized by my standards). C. Pineda (クリス) 03:59, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
TTN said that "There is no need for a general character list because we have three game articles that cover the single game characters, and this one can easily handle a few paragraphs describing the recurring characters and the general trends (various party members, explorer stereotype, ect)." That's it, and his reason for merging it without discussion was because that discussion topic wasn't talked about for a week, but of course no one knew about it because he didn't leave a friendly note on anyone's talk age (me especially as I'm the original author) and I'm sure because of the almost completeness of the article, people didn't quite see it. I know, since I don't have the time all day to check one single article. C. Pineda (クリス) 16:56, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I need help here. No effort is getting done with this, and I'm too busy during the week to keep fighting. Can someone, preferably and admin, help me out here? Or else this valuable article, filled with rich Nintendo Knowledge will be put out forever.
C. Pineda (クリス) 04:30, 22 October 2007 (UTC) Nevermind, I took matters into my own hands. The discussion is being put to rest, because of more support on one side. thanks to those who tried to help.
C. Pineda (クリス)
00:20, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
I've done a little work on this article and had a quick question. According to the tag on the discussion page of the article it lists this as being a "start class" article in this project. I think this article is a little better than start class at this point. How do articles get reassessed in the project. I'm thinking it's at least a B class article at this point. Elhector 22:33, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
First, I have a question about the Wikiproject page. Is the following item really neccessary?
Couldn't you just look at the article's history? Or is this in case the article gets deleted or something?
Second, I'm new to the Nintendo Wikiproject (and also Wikipedia). I've improved the article
Nitrobike a bit, and I was wondering if it would be okay to remove the stub tags. Also, feel free to give some suggestions about the article if you'd like.
Filovirus 05:56, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
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