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File:MendelPalaceSampleGameplay.gif ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) has been nominated for deletion. It brings up issues on the acceptability of videos for use on articles -- 76.65.128.222 ( talk) 05:17, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi guys,
Does this template Template:Steam powered seem inappropriate to anyone else? A direct link to a specific digital retailer in the external links section, doesn't that cross WP:NOTPROMOTION? --Soetermans. T / C 15:20, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
This has been discussed once before, here a year ago. Time for a deletion debate? - X201 ( talk) 15:57, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
I'm trying to find a citation for the following claim:
I asked this WikiProject because its regulars are more likely to be familiar with the standard reliable sources about the game industry. I'd prefer a single citation that covers the entire claim, as the steward of the article in question appears to believe that combining many sources to support a claim of price discrimination through deliberate lockdown constitutes prohibited original research. -- Damian Yerrick ( talk) 05:07, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
In regards to the article's claim, most devkits are so much more than simply BIOS or setting swaps. There are both hardware and software changes on such machines to accommodate interfacing with a computer, among other things. -- Teancum ( talk) 15:34, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
Is the amount of non-free content in Platform game acceptable? I've never seen so many non-free images in an article before, and most aren't really necessitated by the prose. I think we can also find free-use examples for any of the gameplay concepts. czar · · 03:59, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
Did the original Eye of the Beholder game come out in 1990, or in 1991 as contended here? 129.33.19.254 ( talk) 17:47, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
Can contributors please place their opinion as to whether information on the DuckTales (video game) page regarding the upcoming DuckTales: Remastered, should be made into its own article, here? Thanks. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 20:20, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
Alex Kierkegaard is an internet blogger, I came across his work for the first time last week on Wikipedia. I then removed citations to his self-published works from Video games as an art form and art game only to have them reverted by established editors on those articles.
Kierkegaard has been published in no reliable sources. A book that he self-published three years ago, has had zero reviews, it has been covered by a reliable source only once - given 40 words in passing in a paper by Felan Parker for the Loading... journal. Kierkegaard's entire self-published career has generated at most a handful of mentions, not even in the double figures. These references include - 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. I don't think there are many more, if any. This is a woeful level of coverage compared to any published writer.
This is where Kierkegaard falls down -
This is not an author who's views should receive any airing on Wikipedia. His opinions that I removed from Art game are held only by himself. I am posting this here, because the lack of engagement (aside from User:Thibbs) that I received at Talk:Video games as an art form. I hope that editors that haven't been so up close with this subject can see it with fresh eyes. The Time Cube guy has had more reliable coverage. - hahnch e n 17:31, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
Kierkegaard is a mediocre source but I think his book on art games is the most comprehensive collection of criticisms of the art game genre that currently exists. I think the fact that the writer has been cited repeatedly by RSes - including direct engagement with his theories in half of the 17 sources presented above - and the fact that he's been praised by Simon Carless, JC Fletcher, Brian Ashcraft ( 18), and to a lesser extent Spencer Yip, Tim W., and others, and the fact that John Szczepaniak and others (James Cottee, Seth Killian, etc.) write for his new blog all argues in favor of his meeting at least the minimum threshold for corroboratory opinion-based citation on Wikipedia. Holding him to expert standards under WP:SPS as if he were being cited for factual claims instead of holding him to the lesser opinion claim standard under WP:RSOPINION is not helpful. Every one of his opinions that appears in Wikipedia is currently backed up by other RSes so histrionic claims of WP:FRINGE are meaningless and the total coverage amounts to 4 or 5 bullet points in a single article so WP:DUE is inapplicable as well. Am I missing anything? Apart from simply battlegrounding this issue to death I don't see any advantage to removing this source. It won't help the encyclopedia in the least. All it might do is reduce the NPOV. Because the source is mediocre rather than superlative, this is a borderline case but I urge anyone considering it to use a bit of common sense. - Thibbs ( talk) 02:06, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
This isn't going much of anywhere, so can we agree to table the discussion for now? As a compromise, I propose putting any of his mentions up for consideration in context on the article talk pages (and notifying the project talk page here, if necessary). If his opinion is used in the context of expert reliability, I suggest that it come in the form of reliable, secondary commentary about his views and not from his primary, unreviewed sources just yet. We can agree that if K's position is important, it will have secondary coverage to this effect. czar · · 21:25, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
I've been seeing a lot of cosplay images used in articles. While some are acceptable, most seem to be fluff for the purpose of adding another image to the article. Can I get some comments?
For clarification, I'm seeing this most often in fighting game characters and RPG characters' articles. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 00:03, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
FYI, there is a very similar discussion on this topic that has occurred on the WikiProject Comics talk page. (If anyone would like to see what was discussed. Very similar answers given per those given here by Darkwarriorblake, Sergecross73, Izno and others). - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 19:37, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
Thread started at the Village Pump here to discuss the use of cosplay images in character articles. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 15:35, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
This may have been resolved before: if it has been, can someone provide a link to show me the result. Here is my quandary: many game developers are now using YouTube as a medium for showing the public the inside workings of their games. Games like The Last of Us, Tomb Raider and some of the most recent Lego video games are using simple subject-specific videos and things called "Developer's Diaries", which I have watched and found informing. However, I seem to remember something about YouTube being an unreliable source. That was then, but I think, unless it has been decided already, that we should rethink our attitude about videos specially released by the companies in question, videos that might help with creating the development sections for games. -- ProtoDrake ( talk) 18:44, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
Could someone write up the appearances section? I'm not very good at that. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 20:49, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
In the currently under-written Start-class article for Company of Heroes 2, there has been a section in the reception reporting on the news that apparent inaccuracies have caused much negative reception, particularly for ex-USSR nation players. When I first encountered it, the controversy section was very large and listed in detail the complaints made by one source. This appeared to provided undue weight so as a third-view point on the matter I rewrote the section to it's basic points and quotes while adding further references. Initially I had also removed the mention of the Metacritic user score since these are typically unreliable. This changed however when it was brought up in a news pieces about the controversy. Mentioning the score with context to the protest seemed fair. The other users at the time seemed satisfied as the talk page settled, edit warring ceased and page-protection lifted. However currently the matter is still not settled it seems. While I'm always open to discussion as one should be, due to the somewhat sensitive nature that the controversy appears to have, while attempting to be neutral and polite there are still users who are either not happy despite providing an overview and/or are not assuming good faith on my part, even being accused of vandalism. I worry that if this matter is not settled the article will quickly revert to the previously mentioned state or worse as the controversy risks gaining undue weight as once before. As I did before from the start of my participation on the matter, can someone please provide an additional view point in hopes of reaching consensus? I would like the matter to be settled yet this may be difficult if the users are not assuming good faith. Thank you. Stabby Joe ( talk) 22:34, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
Hello. I would like for some help at the articles of Mafia: The City of Lost Heaven, Mafia II and List of Mafia characters. There were lots of excessive vandalism by random IP users in the List of Mafia characters article. Also in all three articles, there are too many overdetailed information written and should be shorten right away. The List of Mafia characters article needs alot more help indeed. IMO I don't think it should exit at all and just write down the main characters in a new section in both Mafia articles respectively. Thanks. JoesphBarbaro ( talk) 13:15, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
Does this article meet notability requirements? It's clearly unsourced and seems to be pure optimistic speculation in any case but I know that is not grounds for deletion. Could it not go in the PES 2014 article? Spiderone 14:06, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi guys,
The article on Dead Space protagonist Isaac Clarke has seen quite some action lately. Two months ago I asked the same question, whether or not there should be an article on Clarke. I hope this time we can get to some consensus.
I feel that it should be merged into the Dead Space (series) article, with a character section. Right now, the article is still very, very long, with a huge portion describing the events from the video games and a whole lot of references consisting of dialogue, while the character creation and reception sections, which I believe are what makes it a notable article, are very small. I do believe that Player017 ( talk · contribs) and Gabriel Yuji ( talk · contribs) have the best intentions with the article, but I'm afraid there won't be any substantial information to be added. Your input would be much appreciated. Thanks. --Soetermans. T / C 11:05, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
Well, it's already a consensus. Then, I'll not oppose it. However I still think Isaac Clarke worth his own article. Gabriel Yuji ( talk) 18:36, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
Recently, I proposed a rebranding of sorts for The Sims Talk Force with two options, which are EA Task Force or Maxis Task Force, and four members commented on Maxis or The Sims but since Maxis initially made The Sims, it has come to Maxis Task Force. I have asked the proposing person of the first time who offered to make the task force page and thus no response. Now I am pleading to the Video Game Project members to help with the setup of the Maxis Task Force since I have returned to Wikipedia after long absence but I am afraid that I would screw up on the matter. So, is there anyone who is willing to make the conversion or make a new task force page dedicated to Maxis Task Force and notify the "Powers at Be" about the change? Thanks. Sundogs talk page sandbox 22:34, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
This was originally raised about a single template by ferret.
There are a dozen of these templates now ( Category:Video_gaming_templates_by_country). I'm struggling to see the point behind them, they're incomplete and if they are made complete, they will just be duplicating everything in the category and make the template too large. I can't understand what navigation problem they are trying to solve. - X201 ( talk) 13:10, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
I nominated these at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2013_August_11#Video_gaming_industry_in..._templates. — HELLKNOWZ ▎ TALK 10:01, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
I've been looking at this one recently and it looks to be in very good shape. I don't want to place it up at Peer Reviews since you're more likely to expect Mega Man Legends 3 to be released than receiving a response to can I get some second opinions on this before it get its day in court? GamerPro64 03:39, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
As I'm going through the list of articles tagged with WP:VG banners and removing the banners from redirects, I happen to blank the pages at times since they are solely tagged with the project banner. As there's nothing of "historical relevance" there, I assume they should get deleted in some way. How to proceed? Are they tagged with a CSD tag (and if so, which one) or are they just left blank? Moritz37 ( talk) 00:29, 31 July 2013 (UTC) (example: Talk:List of Left 4 Dead Characters 12:38, 31 July 2013 (UTC))
Wouldn't it be better to leave them there and change the template code to indicate that they are redirects, like we do for Files and Categories so that we can keep tabs on them? Or at least put them in a hidden maintenance cat so we can keep track of them for a mass deletion, without the template on them we can't find them. - X201 ( talk) 12:41, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
A simple enough proposal. I've seen recent questions about this, and personally wonder about the reasons why WP:VG is not currently assessing redirects. :) · Salvidrim!· ✉ 16:53, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
Since consensus appears unanimous, I went ahead and enabled Redirect-class assesments. There are plenty of currently untagged redirects and they'll slowly be tagged as we run across them (unless someone figures out a way to do some AWB run?). I'm pretty sure I edited what needed to be edited for them to be enabled, but if I missed anything just go ahead and fix it or let me know! :) · Salvidrim!· ✉ 02:47, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
Who runs the Video game articles by quality and importance template? I tried to track it down but it appears to be a new template copied daily. It needs to have the redirect category added to it. - X201 ( talk) 07:55, 12 August 2013 (UTC) Additional: Just had another trawl, does this template actually update itself? I can't find any instructions for changing it and the WP1.0 info seems to suggest it will all sort itself out. Wait and see seems to be the order of the day. - X201 ( talk) 09:05, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
After tagging a few sample articles yesterday I think we need to just clarify the way this should be carried out, as the template can behave in different ways depending on the page. e.g. Adding the template to a page that is just a normal talk page, the template can be added to the top of the page as normal. If the Talk page is a redirect to another talk page or the creation of a new talk page, the template needs to be added below the redirect, else the redirect will turn into a link. Also if creating a new page, a redirect to the main page needs to be added as well. (examples redirect top, template bottom, template top, redirect bottom) - X201 ( talk) 07:56, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
Would an indie videogame "The Polynomial" qualify? It has reviews on Eurogamer, LEVEL, PC PowerPlay, GiantBomb (by the editors not by users), GameZebo, and so on and so forth. It has been published on Steam at October 15, 2010 and ran in the main banner rotation for about a week when it was published. I'm asking because I am involved with the game itself and I consequently have a bit of conflict of the interest when it comes to evaluating notability (plus I am not clear on what constitutes reliable sources). 78.60.253.249 ( talk) 22:45, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
Having an issue with the DISPLAYTITLE template. On the article, God of War video game collections, I want the display title to be "God of War video game collections". I put that in the display title template, but it italicizes the whole title instead of just God of War. -- JDC808 ♫ 22:43, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
Each code can be one of the following:
Mario Golf (GBC on 3DS) Wario's Woods (NES on Wii/Wii U) NES Play Action Football (NES on Wii/Wii U) Brain Age Express: Sudoku (DSi/3DS)
These will be awarded to anyone who brings one of the following to GA:
As an added bonus, for anyone with a PS3, PSVita, or PSP, I will buy a $10 PSN coupon for the first person to agree to help copyedit
Glass Joe enough that it makes it to FA. -
New Age Retro Hippie
(talk)
(contributions) 03:47, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
There is a dispute at the moment over whether the manual scan in Birdo satisfies the qualifications for being a fair use image. Please provide input here. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 11:10, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
Someone from outside the project wants to merge all the templates back into a single one (they were originally split from that in 2009 via an rfc here). The discussion was announced on each individual template's talk page but not here, so I'm providing a link to the discussion. -- Marty Goldberg ( talk) 15:11, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
I'm feeling a little ambivalent about this site. It's been used on Dishonored as references in the character section, and the article is classed as a GA. But the site seems to remind me of IMDb, which, I feel, is not really a very good source for this site. Should we be using www.behindthevoiceactors.com as a reference, or should be place it in the same basket as IMDb? -- ProtoDrake ( talk) 16:04, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
Now, that being said we have not completed the process of verifying ALL of the 80,000+ credits on the site because well to be honest that takes a lot of time. You can tell which ones we have publicly verified by noticing if the credit has a green check mark on the page like you see here:
http://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/video-games/Batman-Arkham-Asylum/
The person in charge of the Arkham City game has apparently not uploaded the credit images/confirmation at this point but I will contact him so he gets that up so you will be able to see exactly where we got our information from.
Thanks, and please let us know if you have any other questions or need further explanation.
We also have no problem with you referencing/linking to our pages if you need to for citation reasons.
- BTVA Admin Team
Am I able to get an outsider's opinion, or some assistance in watching a page? Over at Toukiden, there has been a bloke who's been repeatedly blanking sourced content without any decent justification ( [8] [9] [10] [11]), and is refusing to engage in discussion on the article talk page. I've given the user two warnings; in response, they've written on my talk page " Do not warn me again, do not undo my edit again and leave me along. Once again I will slay you by 100%. Don't think it's a joke". I'm getting the feeling that I'm talking to a wall here.
Regarding the specifics of what's going on, there are two references, one by Siliconera and another by Gematsu, which state that Toukiden will get a Q4 2013 North American release, as per announcement by Tecmo Koei at E3. This user keeps saying that "there is no official NA website for Toukiden", and insists on blanking parts of the page without elaborating further on the talkpage. -- 李博杰 | — Talk contribs email 03:15, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
Here are a few additional sources:
I'm certain that I've proven my points enough. -- 李博杰 | — Talk contribs email 03:48, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
Is Niemti the user who has been raised as having issues in the past? Because he is edit warring at The Last of Us now over the formatting of the plot section and when presented with Featured Articles that use the method employed in The Last of Us BEFORE his change he just reverted again then said he would go "fix" the other articles. Gives no reason for the change and seems content to edit war to get his way. Darkwarriorblake ( talk) 17:43, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
FYI, there's an RfC going on at talk:Microsoft Minesweeper -- 76.65.128.222 ( talk) 10:08, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
Nintendo DSi needs a source check. Thanks. « Ryūkotsusei » 17:36, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi guys,
Does the MOBA template seem unnecessary to anyone else? Making a template based on a particular genre doesn't seem that handy to me. --Soetermans. T / C 19:25, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
Hello, I am sending this message because I was just wondering if someone could put a History headline to the Xbox article like the Playstation article. I always wondered how was Xbox invented, and how was it heard? That's why I am willing to ask anyone who reads this message to create a a sandbox and research the history about Xbox. -- Blurred Lines 21:49, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
I've looked at a couple of our articles on Nintendo consoles, for example Nintendo DSi, and we don't seem to say anything about the variation on charging connectors, or the fact that some at least are apparently proprietary variants on standard USB types. Can something be added, please? Perhaps it should be an infobox parameter? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:57, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi guys,
Not a huge issue, but is Tomb Raider III WP:COMMONNAME enough that the article title is Tomb Raider III, and not the full title Tomb Raider III: Adventures of Lara Croft? --Soetermans. T / C 20:49, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi. I noticed that Babysitting Mama has been the victim of vandalism on its wikipedia page. As I am not familiar with wikipedia policy, nor editing wikipedia articles at all, I didn't want to handle this issue myself. I was actually looking for a page where I could report vandalism so someone else could handle it, but I gave up looking when I found this. So I leave it in your hands. Good luck and god speed.
142.68.103.95 ( talk) 21:59, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
Hello everyone. With the Sonic Adventure article passing as a GA a few months ago and Sonic the Hedgehog (1991 video game) failing a GA, I am going to try to get the Sonic article and Sonic Adventure 2 to GA status, as with Sonic Adventure. I think we should get the Sonic articles up to GA status and since Sonic has been a popular franchise. The GAN comments and PR comments on the 1991 video game article must be addressed and this is part of the reason for my post here. Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 00:48, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
Can I get an opinion on User:Halvorsen brian/video game temps? Besides the legacy and horrible and inaccessible formattin, my feeling is that these templates aren't useful whatsoever the way they are currently. They've made their way slowly onto some related articles?
Anyone else think the bunch should be TFDd, or is there something to be salvaged there? -- Izno ( talk) 00:40, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
My feeling of Template:Sierra Adventure Games is that it's a behemoth and that the games are only tied to Sierra... and should be split up to each of the game series (some of which already have very similar templates). Thoughts? -- Izno ( talk) 01:10, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
For a couple of games I've written articles for an open alpha/beta has been released some time before the full release, namely Cube World and Sir, You Are Being Hunted. Should this release date go in the infobox or not? And if yes, how should it be written to distinguish it from the full release? Samwalton9 ( talk) 11:29, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi guys,
The genre psychological horror to me is still a narrative genre, and not a video game one. However, a couple of games have psychological horror listed as its genre in the VG infobox, i.e. Alan Wake, which I wouldn't consider a survival horror, but does action-adventure fully cover it? Or F.E.A.R. on the other hand, a first-person shooter obviously... Or should we consider a Psychological horror video game article? --Soetermans. T / C 20:00, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
Not trying to pile on Niemti, but the discussion is going nowhere. The issue is the removal by me of the cosplay images on Samus Aran, Jill Valentine, and Princess Zelda. For the Jill image in particular, it is added on the assertion that a citation claims that she is a popular source of cosplay; however, the source never states this, and simply shows a gallery of Jill cosplayers. The discussion can be found here. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 20:31, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
If anyone else could give some opinion on this?
I hate to be "that guy that got everything deleted" but from my reading of the copyright status of cosplay outfits most of these images have to be reclassified as non-free. While not all outfits are equal (an argument can be made that Jill Valentine's outfit is not origional enough for copyright protection, but that argument cannot be made for a Samus suit), at the end of the day we need to consider copyright. Both the copyright held by the creator of the character and the copyright of the creator of the costume do need to be accounted for. Sven Manguard Wha? 01:30, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
So I saw this reached Good Article status recently and when looking at its talk page it wasn't tagged for this group. I mean Otaku isn't exclusively for anime and manga. What do you guys think? GamerPro64 16:04, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
It was recently cited by Kotaku editor Jason Schrier to make a point of the quality of EarthBound's localization, due to the editor of the above website's approval. Would this constitute it to be a situational source? - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 19:32, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
So a debate came up between me and Niemti regarding the Meme section of Jill Valentine, which he contends is absolutely related to the character while I in turn contend it has less to do with the fictional character and more to do with the game, and that it hasn't contributed to the character being recognizable so much as the game's bad dialogue also (in comparison to the Mudkip theme, which while unrelated did make that character get more widespread attention). Unfortunately the debate fell apart as despite having only two sources tying them to the character, he contended I was instead making OR and he didn't have the time or care enough to add more sources he insists exist.
Anyway, with that said coming here for some outside opinions on the matter, as it would be interesting to know what the consensus is on the subject.-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 14:59, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
Memes seem to be pop culture stuff. I think the issue is how "gamecruft" it sounds by explaining in detail where these memes appear. So it can probably be shortened to a single paragraph. Lucia Black ( talk) 00:59, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
It looks like some of it is Capcom themselves reacting on it, right? In that case, it seems worthy of mentioning in the article... Sergecross73 msg me 01:05, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
So Persona 4 is up at GAR. I personally don't know how to comment on the concerns so it would be nice if someone else can take a look at it. Reviews here. GamerPro64 16:05, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi guys,
I've started two discussions about the VG infobox. One is concerning the mode field, whether or not single-player and/or multiplayer can truly cover the game modes of video games. Second is about having the engine field in the infobox, whether or not that is useful information. Your input would be much appreciated. --Soetermans. T / C 07:32, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
Hey folks, I'm in the process of converting the List of Capcom games (from this into something like this). I'm running into a lot of naming conflicts going on. Some games are listed by their Japanese names, while others are listed by their North American name. And then some are listed by both their names. For example, one game is listed as Saturday Night Slam Masters (NA) and Muscle Bomber Duo (JP). If this were a North American game company, this wouldn't be hard: I'd just list the North American name and be done with it. But Campcom is a Japanese developer so some of their games may be equally well-known by both names.
So how should I press forward? List both game titles, so they're included effectively twice? Just use the North American title and list the Japanese name in the Description column, like I did with the one above? Or something else? Thanks. — Frεcklεfσσt | Talk 01:26, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
I don't remember exactly when this started, but the current situation is that The Legend of Dragoon is being persistently vandalized by an IP address (the same one over and over). Discussion seems in vain as he already has numerous warnings on his talk page about disruptive editing. I personally have grown increasingly concerned that I may be violating a revert rule that I don't fully understand, and I'm hoping to have my fears resolved and get some help at the same time. For the purposes of full disclosure, I've never played this game; talk page consensus tells me that the actions of this IP are vandalism. Thank you for your time. Larrythefunkyferret ( talk) 08:11, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi guys,
What are the guidelines on adding system requirements? It has been removed from the infobox quite some time, but I can't find a consensus on adding it into the article body. I thought that only if it somehow is remarkable that it should be mentioned. It is okay to add that information to Payday: The Heist, which came out almost two years ago? --Soetermans. T / C 10:16, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
Requirements should be listed in a box out. You can tell instantly what the target specifications of a Super Nintendo game is, but not for a PC game. With a console, you can quickly establish that it's a 16-bit era game, with PCs, you can't - going by year alone is not precise enough. - hahnch e n 16:11, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
The opinion to only include System requirements if they are notable appears to be the consensus. Shall we now add it to the guidelines? - X201 ( talk) 15:48, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
If anyone has some time, God of War: Ghost of Sparta is at FAC. It's been up for about a month and only has one comment. -- JDC808 ♫ 02:50, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
The first nomination was archived because of practically no interest. It has been renominated. -- JDC808 ♫ 15:35, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
According to this 1UP.com interview with Hiroyuki Ito, it was him that created the battle system that was used in Final Fantasy I.
However, the following points were raised as reasons as to why this info may be inaccurate:
All these points seem solid and were accepted. However, if we return to the source interview with 1UP.com, there's one irrefutable bit of evidence that outright 100% confirms that Hiroyuki Ito did indeed make the battle system in FFI. It's the following quote:
If Hiroyuki Ito was just coming into the genre with no knowledge of it before making the battle system he's referring to in the 1UP.com interview, how can he be talking about the ATB system he made in Final fantasy IV? That's a paradox, as it's well known that Ito was involved in the debugging of FFI, FFII, and FFIII. Debugging means he had to play through the games and look for bugs and glitches. There's no way he could have never played a RPG before if the battle system he's referring to is the ATB he made in FFIV. As a result, the info in the 1UP.com interview is clearly referring to FFI. There's no mistranslation or inaccuracy. -- 78.151.159.191 ( talk) 22:51, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
I'm sure you are misinterpretting the wording of the 1up interview. Lucia Black ( talk) 00:05, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
I've split the subseries into their own template and reorganized the current one. It's still not in the best shape that it could be but I hope this is acceptable. The new templates are template:Mega Man X, template:Mega Man Zero, and template:Mega Man Legends series. Others are Star Force and Battle Network that already have their own templates. Just so that if it does get reverted (a lot of work) we could at least discuss a compromise. Lucia Black ( talk) 08:09, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
I wonder if this article can be fixed. It is tagged with notability issues. I am planning to disambiguate it, but I couldn't under this article's current condition. -- George Ho ( talk) 16:47, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
Is this template okay, or tidy gamecruft? --Soetermans. T / C 20:12, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
GRRR, I think Wikipedia and/or Twinkle has some issues; can't seem to nominate them right now. I had this in mind, "Per a WP:VG discussion concerning chronology templates; this template lists games in a chronological fashion, which isn't important for the series' continuity, which it barely has at all. Three "eras" are listed, which in turn don't have to do with each other either (except for the occasional cameo of a character). Template is redundant then, with a infobox on the bottom of every GTA article, which of course lists the games." Seems fair, no? --Soetermans. T / C 21:28, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
For the second time very recently for me personally, the topic over the inclusion of users ratings on the site Metacritic have once again come up, currently for Total War: Rome II. In past experience these appear unreliable due to potential cases of ballet stuffing, irrational reactionary voting and trolling, particularly with the more popular games on their inital release. The only times where their mention is warranted appears to be in the context of a larger issue such as in the Portal 2 article mentioned as a possible reaction to a controversy in another reference. In the example of Rome II however, there is no context other than the possibility of players simply being unhappy about launch bugs, something that is already clearly mentioned in other sources such as professional reviews and news pieces and I'm getting to impression that the mention of it on wikipedia comes off as an extension of the backlash. Is there actually a standard in regards to user scoring as this can lead to unnecessary edit warring. Stabby Joe ( talk)
In the case of Rome II, the disagreeing users rather have an issue with professional critics in general, which is just their personal opinion that goes against policy. Stabby Joe ( talk) 08:38, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
Hey, could I get a few of you guys to look at and weigh in on a dispute going on in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Article guidelines? User:Wonchop and User:Ryulong are going at it over a proposed new set of guidelines relating to Japanese text in articles, which I've said I think is unnecessary (because the salient points are covered in the general MOS) and too restrictive (there are other languages that should fall under the same rules). But at the moment, it's only part merit discussion and part personal dispute between those two, and I frankly don't feel like trying to moderate it at the moment. — KieferSkunk ( talk) — 07:05, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
Someone asked on my talk page and this isn't my field of expertise. The question was "I came across an article that seems to be about a game that is not so notable. There is no reason mentioned in the article of why the game should be on Wikipedia. Stellar Mercenaries is the article I am talking about. The entire article is written from only two sources that are not so credible. I would have nominated it for deletion myself, but..."
Could someone here take a look and I'll direct the editor to this project to get his answer. Thanks. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 07:55, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
It has now been proposed (by myself) that the section on DuckTales: Remastered on the DuckTales (video game) page be split to its own article. Additional input is requested in the discussion here. Thanks. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 16:43, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
Your comment is requested at Template talk:Infobox video game#Use of Wikidata. Thanks. -- Izno ( talk) 03:46, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
This is a head up that there may be a WP:POVPUSH and brewing edit war at MechWarrior Online. The dispute is over the significance to a controversy relating to the recent addition of a third person view mode to the game. The article does need some general TLC anyways and general copyediting as well. 24.49.23.45 ( talk) 02:38, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
I'd like someone to update the Modern Combat 4: Zero Hour article to cope with the Meltdown Update, thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blitzkrieg99 ( talk • contribs) 12:45, 29 June 2013
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You might be interested in this list, as it includes multimedia franchises with video game components. Cheers! bd2412 T 20:49, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
image:America's Army1.jpg has been nominated for deletion (this is not an FFD). -- 70.24.244.158 ( talk) 06:20, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
Tomorrow on the 16th The Simpsons: Hit & Run will be that days Featured Article on the main page. And I for one welcome our new video game overlords. GamerPro64 00:21, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
Currently, there are people arguing about this over at PlayStation 4. To start off the article, should it look like:
On one hand, it seems strange to have the translation, because I don't believe it started as a Japanese title, and was then translated to "PlayStation 4". On the other hand, I'm sure others feel that, as Sony is a Japanese-originating company, it should be this way. I don't feel super strongly one way or another, but I wanted to check and see if there was a standing consensus one way or another, and then I'd enforce it as such. Thoughts? Sergecross73 msg me 17:34, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi guys,
I could really use some input concerning the GTA templates. I've nominated the chronology one a while ago, with a lot of debating about whether or not the template does communicate any valuable information. I don't care for that particular template, but I wouldn't mind seeing the "universe" layout back into Template: Grand Theft Auto (similar to Template: Assassin's Creed), but I'm not sure how that will be received. --Soetermans. T / C 12:17, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
As with the infobox, [development] section should only include English-speaking regions and the non-English region of first release or development.
Though this is English language Wikipedia, a worldview should be proviced. If a Japanese-executed video game was official released in American and South Korea, the South Korea released date may not be listed per WP:VG/DATE. An example is Tales of Legendia, it was released on Oct 11, 2005 in South Korea, and sources can be easily provided. None of guildline means weight of non-English sources are less then English, so list the date is not failed WP:BALANCE. So why we don't allow editors list this kind of dates?-- Misaka 10077 ( talk) 05:37, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
Spira (Final Fantasy) is up for deletion and I am trying to save it under the Heymann standard, but even adding a dozen new sources including academic case studies and covering the localization process, isn't helping out too much. I have numerous sources I do not have access to including English gaming magazine publications and the Ultimania books which will help tie up the loose ends. If anyone has access to JSTOR and MUSE some additional sources may pop up. The article is already likely to meet N/GNG with a proper analysis of the sources, but assistance is greatly appreciated. ChrisGualtieri ( talk) 19:44, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
I was wondering if I could get a couple of people to do a copy edit on the article. I'm trying to bring it back to FAC, and I feel that with a couple copyedits, URL archiving, minor ref fixes, and image source-fixing, it can pass. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 23:50, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
I think it would be valuable for the project to sort of "crack down" on arbitrary use of a soundtrack's cover in a video game's article. While a soundtrack cover might have justification to be used, this is typically not the case. Besides the fact that almost every soundtrack cover I come across claims that its purpose is to be used at the top of its own article (when it is neither at the top nor is it acting as the primary representation of the subject of the article), in these cases I feel that readers would benefit from hearing an audio clip of the soundtrack rather than seeing a cover. A lot of soundtrack cover art aren't even different from the game's cover art. I think it's important for us to come up with some kind of guideline - either Wikipedia-wide or just sticking to our project - to limit these covers' use. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 15:38, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
This time his biggest complaints seems to center around the rationale that is used for the images. Which varies from article to article, some of which he doesn't seem to have read, but re-pasted the same editorial comments from his earlier edits.
New Age Retro Hippie: Rationale claims to be "top of the article", or "used for main infobox", or "it is to illustrate the subject, when it does not do that".
The only point I agree with Retro about this, is where it says at the 'top of the article', which I changed when I found them, because the uploaders clearly just used the same clip and paste style without reading what they were editing.
As to the other edits without 'top' my views are the "image does "illustrate the subject' of the infobox it represents". Rationale 'Use' should say: "in an infobox dedicated to the work in question". And from the Licensing section of image: 'solely to illustrate the audio recording in question'.
On such articles as Super Mario Galaxy, "the soundtrack has won numerous critic awards, such as "Best Design in Audio" from the U.K.'s Edge Magazine" and others where it talks about the music as "wide variety of different musical styles" one audio clip isn't representative of the whole.
Even in cases where there is one song that stands out alone, like Super Mario Bros. theme there is the repetitiveness that would be present if it was also on Super Mario Bros. because it appears in many more games then just that one, and would be in two articles. But the soundtrack album [21] does represent that game individually. While that one musical piece only represents itself and not the variety of music that is represented in the other tracks of the game, which are thematically different. It would give a false view of the game's music as being in that one style. ( Floppydog66 ( talk) 07:51, 17 September 2013 (UTC))
If the soundtrack is notable in its own right and could standalone in a separate article, the soundtrack should have its identifying art omitted. American Beauty: Original Motion Picture Score and American Beauty (soundtrack) could be merged into American Beauty (film), but even if it were - the identifying art should remain. - hahnch e n 16:23, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
it doesn't mention "related" works, nor does it mention we can't add more than 1 cover art. standard practice, doesn't mean official rule. So all we need it more critical commentary before adding in a cover art of a soundtrack if said sountrack. Lucia Black ( talk) 03:34, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
A similar situation exists in New Super Mario Bros. U. It also covers New Super Luigi U and has a cover for each. The rationale I uploaded in August, states "New Super Luigi U is a standalone release and notable in its own right". Articles which cover different notable subjects should have identifying art for all their subjects. - hahnch e n 14:43, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
I've made the argument that the CD-i and LCD boxarts are excessive, and only one of each should be featured in their respective articles due to the fact that two images cannot be used simply to identify the subject of the article. I'd appreciate some input on their talk pages. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 19:00, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
yes, that is also what i was thinking, but I'm no expert in GA/featured topic so i wasn't sure if it would have been able to become one. I'll look into Nintendo licensed CD-i games. I apparently hear there are cancelled Cd-i games for Nintendo as well outside Hotel Mario. that could possibly benefit the current Zelda Cd-i article. But that's such a big decision, it may need a stronger consensus. Lucia Black ( talk) 20:52, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
OK I'm seeing quite a bit of confusion here about what makes a topic notable. Notability is not defined by unique plot, development history, or gameplay, etc. Notability is defined by the existence of significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Regarding these games, there are indeed reliable sources significantly covering them both individually (in some articles) as well as together as a single topic (in other articles). The fact that there are several articles covering them both has a lot to do with the fact that they were released at the same time, but it's undeniable that there are several individual articles that examine them in isolation from one another. Thus they individually meet WP:N and are in fact independently notable. Does that mean that they require two separate articles? No. Just because a topic meets the GNG doesn't mean that it requires its own article. The similarities between these two provide sufficient reason to merge the topic into one article. It doesn't require that we imagine away their evident individual notability.
Practical editorial considerations suggest that both can be covered in a single article to provide context just as they were prior to the split of the article. -
Thibbs (
talk) 02:42, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
(Frankly I think it was a mistake to split out the third game (Zelda's Adventure) as it shares a pre-history and holds a similar position within the series canon, and because comparisons between it and the first two are more easily achieved when they are together in one article. I think I'm alone in this, though, so I give up. -
Thibbs (
talk) 02:42, 22 September 2013 (UTC))
Thibbs, again, it doesn't matter. GNG is irrelevant if there's no need to have three articles - one for each game - as opposed to two. The two games are so similar that they can be adequately covered without A. missing content, or B. being too large or limited. Your argument for Zelda's Adventure being anywhere near the same amount of similarity is rather reaching. Majora's Mask uses the same engine as OoT and a lot of the same character models. Even more so than Zelda's Adventure, Majora's Mask shares a connection between OoT than ZA does for any of the CD-i games. A history of HOW they came into being is the only similarity they share and is not nearly enough to justify merging all three games together. Both articles can stand on their own without any harm coming whatsoever, meaning it ensures that we potentially have two GAs instead of one. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 02:58, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
(no audio or footage of the game, simply to show the motion of how the GBA SP is turned) Can anyone create this video? - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 06:49, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
I'd like a quick opinion on creating an article for the game Hyper Light Drifter. It is a Kickstarted-funded project by a relative single-dev unknown which has been recognized by reliable sources for both the game's concept and art, and the high success of the ongoing kickstarter (guy was asking for like $25k, but has gotten over $200k within the first week). The KS is still going, and all signs is the dev is certain to see this through.
Now, if this was something like the Double Fine Adventure, developed by an established studio, we could at minimum include the game at the developer's page, but we don't have that option here. Further, because being an unknown dev, while I have full trust he will complete the project, that's a crystal-ball approach. And while the KS is well beyond the funding requested, there could still be something that happens that the funding stops or is pulled.
I'm personally against creating the article, at least until the KS is over successfully, but I'd like others opinions here. -- MASEM ( t) 21:50, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
I've been thinking, since Virtual Boy will never have many more articles that it has, making a GT or FT is within reason. At maximum, the topic would only require 25 articles involved (assuming we don't merge any articles). - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 01:34, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
Excluding multi-console games and cancelled games, I count about 15 articles that would fit the topic. This number can also be reduced by taking some of the less notable titles such as Virtual League Baseball and Golf (Virtual Boy). - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 02:00, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
Alright, I've gotten as much as I can into Golf (video game). Was hoping someone could copyedit it; I think it's big enough to bring it to GA status with the work. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 08:52, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
User is making
good-faith, but massive and
unsourced changes to the voice acting portions of Mario-related character articles (one edit summary cited reference as "Super Mario Wiki"). I'm not at all familiar enough with video game/anime voice acting to be helpful in this regard (i.e. info could be right or wrong, I don't know), nor the appropriate Manual of Style for such info within {{Infobox VG}}
. PLEASE provide IMMEDIATE guidance to this user!!
DK
qwerty 03:53, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
Game Developer magazine has released its all issues online for free: http://www.gdcvault.com/gdmag Might be a useful resource for some articles. -- Mika1h ( talk) 20:01, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
I've put forward an RFC on Template talk:Infobox video game#RFC: Add budget field for the addition of an optional field for budget (and potentially another for revenue), so am inviting comments on that page. I have explained my rationale more fully at the talk page, but it is essentially that the Grand Theft Auto games are now not the only games with 8-figure budgets. — Sasuke Sarutobi ( talk) 14:12, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
I was just thinking about this. Generally when I've referenced this, I've done the following: |work=Game Informer |publisher=GameStop. However, would this be different when sourcing from the website and not the magazine? In this case, would it be just |publisher=Game Informer? - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 22:24, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
A discussion has been underway since September 4 about deleting Template:Grand Theft Auto chronology. The discussion has provoked a great response from both sides of the argument, but at this stage there is no clear consensus. Any additional feedback to help resolve the nomination either way would be appreciated.
In addition, Liberty City (Grand Theft Auto), Liberty City (Grand Theft Auto III era), Liberty City (Grand Theft Auto IV era) and Vice City have all been nominated for deletion at once. Like the template discussion, there is a debate which has seen a strong response but not clear consensus has been reached as of yet, so feedback on this proposal would be appreciated as well. CR4ZE ( t) 03:22, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
Like the note in List of best-selling video game franchises, it provides a "precise" sales for Final Fantasy series: 102.04 million. The one million is from it's official, but I'd like to say, one million is approximate number, not exact "100.00 million". Compared with other series, like Dragon Quest has been sold "62 million", Tomb Raider has been sold "35 million", I believe it means "Final Fantasy has been sold more than 100.00 million, but not reached 100.99 million copies"; or just means "more than a millennium count" (Japanese groups 100 million as 1,0000,0000). Thus I think, adds detailed figures to a approximate number not only is unscientific, but reports readers an incorrect information. (It could be 102.04+0.99=103.03 :P) So should there only written "100 million" until official or other RS provided a specific sales?-- Check the time ( talk) 13:02, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
To all members of this project: Please join and comment upon the following discussion: Talk:Mario_Kart#Collapse_or_uncollapse_characters_table.3F NOTE: This is not an attempt to canvass, I'm merely soliciting any and all comments from more-experienced editors whose reasoning doesn't boil down to "keep everything," but can cite policy to support their position, whatever it might be. Thank you. DK qwerty 17:24, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
Some articles out there have more than one game covered in them. If the games were released as separate full priced games, then should they be allowed to have their own infoboxes and an image of their cover? Should they each be allowed also a screenshot of gameplay, since that's important to understand what the game is about? Or should only the first game listed in the article be allowed that? Dream Focus 15:52, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
Usually, a series of games would cover a logo instead of a cover because the art can be vastly different, right? If we're allowed to add two cover arts, i suggest making them smaller. But even so, 3 covers may be excessive too right? and just to give an example of this, there is Mega Man Star Force which as a Leo, Peagesus and Dragon version, and all 3 have their own individual covers. I believe if their too similar, we shouldn't even add an individual cover, we should just say "this is cover A depicting character A, cover B has character B instead" As new age retro hippie said, it's the game play differences that matter most. Lucia Black ( talk) 00:21, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
Oracle of Ages and Oracle of Seasons. Ill be clear. "Address" that your going to ignore it, or adress it. The naming doesn't necesarily matter, their grouped together despite being separate releases. Lucia Black ( talk) 01:58, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
Where there is one image of all three covers thus taking away the need for having multiple articles. Hopefully User:Masem will take a look at the rationale of this and 'Super Mario Galaxy: Original Soundtrack' and see if they work. Because I'm sure if it says 'a video game cover' and there are more then one Retro will probably claim it is unfair use and try delete it, or do some such thing then argue about it with the uploader/reverter for a while, and then afterward go to the article or project page that it is for and discuss it properly.
"It will illustrate the cover art for three releases of the game, without it there would be three separate images of each release on various articles. This version of the cover art for all three limits the use of such images, and the possibility that they could be used to pirate the cover of any of the games represented."
"Photograph I took of the cover art of all three releases."
But that is also my suggestion for the CD-i Zelda games also, whether they are all on one article or they are split into some having two games discussed in the article, an image of each game should be present. The same developer and publisher are usually used for each game when two or more similar games are disscussed in one article. As with Link: The Faces of Evil and Zelda: The Wand of Gamelon I'd give them one image with two screenshots showing the differances and similarities of the two games. ( Floppydog66 ( talk) 06:52, 19 September 2013 (UTC))
Two different notable subjects in one article. Both subjects should have identifying art regardless of "thematic similarities". This is the same argument I gave in the Soundtrack art discussion above. - hahnch e n 14:44, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
Even after a week of reading through these discussions I still struggle to understand how the use of two cover-art images is inappropriate for an article whose topic is two different games (like Link: The Faces of Evil and Zelda: The Wand of Gamelon or The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages). I don't believe that NFCC effects a bar because I do not find the covers of different games to be equivalent even if they are similar and I do believe that the two covers together increase a reader's understanding significantly more than the use of one cover alone. And I do believe that both cover-art images meets all non-free use rationales both explicit and implicit. The current "Purpose" section of the standard VG coverart NFUR, when filled out by the image-upload wizard provides two rationales: (1)visual identification of the topic, and (2)assurance to the reader that they have navigated to the article on the topic they were looking for. As Masem points out, a third implicit rationale also exists when cover-art provides (3) " marketing, branding, and identification information that the cover conveys". Let's take these three in turn. First, there can be no question that a second cover-art image would visually identify half of the joint topic. Second, it seems obvious that images of both covers would provide better assurance to the reader interested in either or both game than using only a single image of one of the games. The reader will be coming to the article either to read about game A, about game B, or about games A&B together. If both covers are used we assure the reader coming for any of these reasons. If we only use one cover we assure the reader in only a third of the cases. Third, unless the two covers are identical, the use of both images together provides additional marketing, branding, and identification information that one alone cannot convey. Even if they are highly similar, the degree of similarity between them is not something that is easy to convey in writing alone. And similarities in visual appearance are obviously significant to a complete grasp of marketing efforts and branding decisions. If I am wrong for policy reasons then the policy is completely unclear and needs immediate clarification. If I am wrong simply because others disagree with my subjective/discretionary assessments then I'd really appreciate some substantive engagement with them. - Thibbs ( talk) 22:49, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
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File:MendelPalaceSampleGameplay.gif ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) has been nominated for deletion. It brings up issues on the acceptability of videos for use on articles -- 76.65.128.222 ( talk) 05:17, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi guys,
Does this template Template:Steam powered seem inappropriate to anyone else? A direct link to a specific digital retailer in the external links section, doesn't that cross WP:NOTPROMOTION? --Soetermans. T / C 15:20, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
This has been discussed once before, here a year ago. Time for a deletion debate? - X201 ( talk) 15:57, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
I'm trying to find a citation for the following claim:
I asked this WikiProject because its regulars are more likely to be familiar with the standard reliable sources about the game industry. I'd prefer a single citation that covers the entire claim, as the steward of the article in question appears to believe that combining many sources to support a claim of price discrimination through deliberate lockdown constitutes prohibited original research. -- Damian Yerrick ( talk) 05:07, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
In regards to the article's claim, most devkits are so much more than simply BIOS or setting swaps. There are both hardware and software changes on such machines to accommodate interfacing with a computer, among other things. -- Teancum ( talk) 15:34, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
Is the amount of non-free content in Platform game acceptable? I've never seen so many non-free images in an article before, and most aren't really necessitated by the prose. I think we can also find free-use examples for any of the gameplay concepts. czar · · 03:59, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
Did the original Eye of the Beholder game come out in 1990, or in 1991 as contended here? 129.33.19.254 ( talk) 17:47, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
Can contributors please place their opinion as to whether information on the DuckTales (video game) page regarding the upcoming DuckTales: Remastered, should be made into its own article, here? Thanks. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 20:20, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
Alex Kierkegaard is an internet blogger, I came across his work for the first time last week on Wikipedia. I then removed citations to his self-published works from Video games as an art form and art game only to have them reverted by established editors on those articles.
Kierkegaard has been published in no reliable sources. A book that he self-published three years ago, has had zero reviews, it has been covered by a reliable source only once - given 40 words in passing in a paper by Felan Parker for the Loading... journal. Kierkegaard's entire self-published career has generated at most a handful of mentions, not even in the double figures. These references include - 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. I don't think there are many more, if any. This is a woeful level of coverage compared to any published writer.
This is where Kierkegaard falls down -
This is not an author who's views should receive any airing on Wikipedia. His opinions that I removed from Art game are held only by himself. I am posting this here, because the lack of engagement (aside from User:Thibbs) that I received at Talk:Video games as an art form. I hope that editors that haven't been so up close with this subject can see it with fresh eyes. The Time Cube guy has had more reliable coverage. - hahnch e n 17:31, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
Kierkegaard is a mediocre source but I think his book on art games is the most comprehensive collection of criticisms of the art game genre that currently exists. I think the fact that the writer has been cited repeatedly by RSes - including direct engagement with his theories in half of the 17 sources presented above - and the fact that he's been praised by Simon Carless, JC Fletcher, Brian Ashcraft ( 18), and to a lesser extent Spencer Yip, Tim W., and others, and the fact that John Szczepaniak and others (James Cottee, Seth Killian, etc.) write for his new blog all argues in favor of his meeting at least the minimum threshold for corroboratory opinion-based citation on Wikipedia. Holding him to expert standards under WP:SPS as if he were being cited for factual claims instead of holding him to the lesser opinion claim standard under WP:RSOPINION is not helpful. Every one of his opinions that appears in Wikipedia is currently backed up by other RSes so histrionic claims of WP:FRINGE are meaningless and the total coverage amounts to 4 or 5 bullet points in a single article so WP:DUE is inapplicable as well. Am I missing anything? Apart from simply battlegrounding this issue to death I don't see any advantage to removing this source. It won't help the encyclopedia in the least. All it might do is reduce the NPOV. Because the source is mediocre rather than superlative, this is a borderline case but I urge anyone considering it to use a bit of common sense. - Thibbs ( talk) 02:06, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
This isn't going much of anywhere, so can we agree to table the discussion for now? As a compromise, I propose putting any of his mentions up for consideration in context on the article talk pages (and notifying the project talk page here, if necessary). If his opinion is used in the context of expert reliability, I suggest that it come in the form of reliable, secondary commentary about his views and not from his primary, unreviewed sources just yet. We can agree that if K's position is important, it will have secondary coverage to this effect. czar · · 21:25, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
I've been seeing a lot of cosplay images used in articles. While some are acceptable, most seem to be fluff for the purpose of adding another image to the article. Can I get some comments?
For clarification, I'm seeing this most often in fighting game characters and RPG characters' articles. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 00:03, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
FYI, there is a very similar discussion on this topic that has occurred on the WikiProject Comics talk page. (If anyone would like to see what was discussed. Very similar answers given per those given here by Darkwarriorblake, Sergecross73, Izno and others). - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 19:37, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
Thread started at the Village Pump here to discuss the use of cosplay images in character articles. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 15:35, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
This may have been resolved before: if it has been, can someone provide a link to show me the result. Here is my quandary: many game developers are now using YouTube as a medium for showing the public the inside workings of their games. Games like The Last of Us, Tomb Raider and some of the most recent Lego video games are using simple subject-specific videos and things called "Developer's Diaries", which I have watched and found informing. However, I seem to remember something about YouTube being an unreliable source. That was then, but I think, unless it has been decided already, that we should rethink our attitude about videos specially released by the companies in question, videos that might help with creating the development sections for games. -- ProtoDrake ( talk) 18:44, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
Could someone write up the appearances section? I'm not very good at that. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 20:49, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
In the currently under-written Start-class article for Company of Heroes 2, there has been a section in the reception reporting on the news that apparent inaccuracies have caused much negative reception, particularly for ex-USSR nation players. When I first encountered it, the controversy section was very large and listed in detail the complaints made by one source. This appeared to provided undue weight so as a third-view point on the matter I rewrote the section to it's basic points and quotes while adding further references. Initially I had also removed the mention of the Metacritic user score since these are typically unreliable. This changed however when it was brought up in a news pieces about the controversy. Mentioning the score with context to the protest seemed fair. The other users at the time seemed satisfied as the talk page settled, edit warring ceased and page-protection lifted. However currently the matter is still not settled it seems. While I'm always open to discussion as one should be, due to the somewhat sensitive nature that the controversy appears to have, while attempting to be neutral and polite there are still users who are either not happy despite providing an overview and/or are not assuming good faith on my part, even being accused of vandalism. I worry that if this matter is not settled the article will quickly revert to the previously mentioned state or worse as the controversy risks gaining undue weight as once before. As I did before from the start of my participation on the matter, can someone please provide an additional view point in hopes of reaching consensus? I would like the matter to be settled yet this may be difficult if the users are not assuming good faith. Thank you. Stabby Joe ( talk) 22:34, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
Hello. I would like for some help at the articles of Mafia: The City of Lost Heaven, Mafia II and List of Mafia characters. There were lots of excessive vandalism by random IP users in the List of Mafia characters article. Also in all three articles, there are too many overdetailed information written and should be shorten right away. The List of Mafia characters article needs alot more help indeed. IMO I don't think it should exit at all and just write down the main characters in a new section in both Mafia articles respectively. Thanks. JoesphBarbaro ( talk) 13:15, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
Does this article meet notability requirements? It's clearly unsourced and seems to be pure optimistic speculation in any case but I know that is not grounds for deletion. Could it not go in the PES 2014 article? Spiderone 14:06, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi guys,
The article on Dead Space protagonist Isaac Clarke has seen quite some action lately. Two months ago I asked the same question, whether or not there should be an article on Clarke. I hope this time we can get to some consensus.
I feel that it should be merged into the Dead Space (series) article, with a character section. Right now, the article is still very, very long, with a huge portion describing the events from the video games and a whole lot of references consisting of dialogue, while the character creation and reception sections, which I believe are what makes it a notable article, are very small. I do believe that Player017 ( talk · contribs) and Gabriel Yuji ( talk · contribs) have the best intentions with the article, but I'm afraid there won't be any substantial information to be added. Your input would be much appreciated. Thanks. --Soetermans. T / C 11:05, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
Well, it's already a consensus. Then, I'll not oppose it. However I still think Isaac Clarke worth his own article. Gabriel Yuji ( talk) 18:36, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
Recently, I proposed a rebranding of sorts for The Sims Talk Force with two options, which are EA Task Force or Maxis Task Force, and four members commented on Maxis or The Sims but since Maxis initially made The Sims, it has come to Maxis Task Force. I have asked the proposing person of the first time who offered to make the task force page and thus no response. Now I am pleading to the Video Game Project members to help with the setup of the Maxis Task Force since I have returned to Wikipedia after long absence but I am afraid that I would screw up on the matter. So, is there anyone who is willing to make the conversion or make a new task force page dedicated to Maxis Task Force and notify the "Powers at Be" about the change? Thanks. Sundogs talk page sandbox 22:34, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
This was originally raised about a single template by ferret.
There are a dozen of these templates now ( Category:Video_gaming_templates_by_country). I'm struggling to see the point behind them, they're incomplete and if they are made complete, they will just be duplicating everything in the category and make the template too large. I can't understand what navigation problem they are trying to solve. - X201 ( talk) 13:10, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
I nominated these at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2013_August_11#Video_gaming_industry_in..._templates. — HELLKNOWZ ▎ TALK 10:01, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
I've been looking at this one recently and it looks to be in very good shape. I don't want to place it up at Peer Reviews since you're more likely to expect Mega Man Legends 3 to be released than receiving a response to can I get some second opinions on this before it get its day in court? GamerPro64 03:39, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
As I'm going through the list of articles tagged with WP:VG banners and removing the banners from redirects, I happen to blank the pages at times since they are solely tagged with the project banner. As there's nothing of "historical relevance" there, I assume they should get deleted in some way. How to proceed? Are they tagged with a CSD tag (and if so, which one) or are they just left blank? Moritz37 ( talk) 00:29, 31 July 2013 (UTC) (example: Talk:List of Left 4 Dead Characters 12:38, 31 July 2013 (UTC))
Wouldn't it be better to leave them there and change the template code to indicate that they are redirects, like we do for Files and Categories so that we can keep tabs on them? Or at least put them in a hidden maintenance cat so we can keep track of them for a mass deletion, without the template on them we can't find them. - X201 ( talk) 12:41, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
A simple enough proposal. I've seen recent questions about this, and personally wonder about the reasons why WP:VG is not currently assessing redirects. :) · Salvidrim!· ✉ 16:53, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
Since consensus appears unanimous, I went ahead and enabled Redirect-class assesments. There are plenty of currently untagged redirects and they'll slowly be tagged as we run across them (unless someone figures out a way to do some AWB run?). I'm pretty sure I edited what needed to be edited for them to be enabled, but if I missed anything just go ahead and fix it or let me know! :) · Salvidrim!· ✉ 02:47, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
Who runs the Video game articles by quality and importance template? I tried to track it down but it appears to be a new template copied daily. It needs to have the redirect category added to it. - X201 ( talk) 07:55, 12 August 2013 (UTC) Additional: Just had another trawl, does this template actually update itself? I can't find any instructions for changing it and the WP1.0 info seems to suggest it will all sort itself out. Wait and see seems to be the order of the day. - X201 ( talk) 09:05, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
After tagging a few sample articles yesterday I think we need to just clarify the way this should be carried out, as the template can behave in different ways depending on the page. e.g. Adding the template to a page that is just a normal talk page, the template can be added to the top of the page as normal. If the Talk page is a redirect to another talk page or the creation of a new talk page, the template needs to be added below the redirect, else the redirect will turn into a link. Also if creating a new page, a redirect to the main page needs to be added as well. (examples redirect top, template bottom, template top, redirect bottom) - X201 ( talk) 07:56, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
Would an indie videogame "The Polynomial" qualify? It has reviews on Eurogamer, LEVEL, PC PowerPlay, GiantBomb (by the editors not by users), GameZebo, and so on and so forth. It has been published on Steam at October 15, 2010 and ran in the main banner rotation for about a week when it was published. I'm asking because I am involved with the game itself and I consequently have a bit of conflict of the interest when it comes to evaluating notability (plus I am not clear on what constitutes reliable sources). 78.60.253.249 ( talk) 22:45, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
Having an issue with the DISPLAYTITLE template. On the article, God of War video game collections, I want the display title to be "God of War video game collections". I put that in the display title template, but it italicizes the whole title instead of just God of War. -- JDC808 ♫ 22:43, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
Each code can be one of the following:
Mario Golf (GBC on 3DS) Wario's Woods (NES on Wii/Wii U) NES Play Action Football (NES on Wii/Wii U) Brain Age Express: Sudoku (DSi/3DS)
These will be awarded to anyone who brings one of the following to GA:
As an added bonus, for anyone with a PS3, PSVita, or PSP, I will buy a $10 PSN coupon for the first person to agree to help copyedit
Glass Joe enough that it makes it to FA. -
New Age Retro Hippie
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(contributions) 03:47, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
There is a dispute at the moment over whether the manual scan in Birdo satisfies the qualifications for being a fair use image. Please provide input here. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 11:10, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
Someone from outside the project wants to merge all the templates back into a single one (they were originally split from that in 2009 via an rfc here). The discussion was announced on each individual template's talk page but not here, so I'm providing a link to the discussion. -- Marty Goldberg ( talk) 15:11, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
I'm feeling a little ambivalent about this site. It's been used on Dishonored as references in the character section, and the article is classed as a GA. But the site seems to remind me of IMDb, which, I feel, is not really a very good source for this site. Should we be using www.behindthevoiceactors.com as a reference, or should be place it in the same basket as IMDb? -- ProtoDrake ( talk) 16:04, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
Now, that being said we have not completed the process of verifying ALL of the 80,000+ credits on the site because well to be honest that takes a lot of time. You can tell which ones we have publicly verified by noticing if the credit has a green check mark on the page like you see here:
http://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/video-games/Batman-Arkham-Asylum/
The person in charge of the Arkham City game has apparently not uploaded the credit images/confirmation at this point but I will contact him so he gets that up so you will be able to see exactly where we got our information from.
Thanks, and please let us know if you have any other questions or need further explanation.
We also have no problem with you referencing/linking to our pages if you need to for citation reasons.
- BTVA Admin Team
Am I able to get an outsider's opinion, or some assistance in watching a page? Over at Toukiden, there has been a bloke who's been repeatedly blanking sourced content without any decent justification ( [8] [9] [10] [11]), and is refusing to engage in discussion on the article talk page. I've given the user two warnings; in response, they've written on my talk page " Do not warn me again, do not undo my edit again and leave me along. Once again I will slay you by 100%. Don't think it's a joke". I'm getting the feeling that I'm talking to a wall here.
Regarding the specifics of what's going on, there are two references, one by Siliconera and another by Gematsu, which state that Toukiden will get a Q4 2013 North American release, as per announcement by Tecmo Koei at E3. This user keeps saying that "there is no official NA website for Toukiden", and insists on blanking parts of the page without elaborating further on the talkpage. -- 李博杰 | — Talk contribs email 03:15, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
Here are a few additional sources:
I'm certain that I've proven my points enough. -- 李博杰 | — Talk contribs email 03:48, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
Is Niemti the user who has been raised as having issues in the past? Because he is edit warring at The Last of Us now over the formatting of the plot section and when presented with Featured Articles that use the method employed in The Last of Us BEFORE his change he just reverted again then said he would go "fix" the other articles. Gives no reason for the change and seems content to edit war to get his way. Darkwarriorblake ( talk) 17:43, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
FYI, there's an RfC going on at talk:Microsoft Minesweeper -- 76.65.128.222 ( talk) 10:08, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
Nintendo DSi needs a source check. Thanks. « Ryūkotsusei » 17:36, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi guys,
Does the MOBA template seem unnecessary to anyone else? Making a template based on a particular genre doesn't seem that handy to me. --Soetermans. T / C 19:25, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
Hello, I am sending this message because I was just wondering if someone could put a History headline to the Xbox article like the Playstation article. I always wondered how was Xbox invented, and how was it heard? That's why I am willing to ask anyone who reads this message to create a a sandbox and research the history about Xbox. -- Blurred Lines 21:49, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
I've looked at a couple of our articles on Nintendo consoles, for example Nintendo DSi, and we don't seem to say anything about the variation on charging connectors, or the fact that some at least are apparently proprietary variants on standard USB types. Can something be added, please? Perhaps it should be an infobox parameter? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:57, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi guys,
Not a huge issue, but is Tomb Raider III WP:COMMONNAME enough that the article title is Tomb Raider III, and not the full title Tomb Raider III: Adventures of Lara Croft? --Soetermans. T / C 20:49, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi. I noticed that Babysitting Mama has been the victim of vandalism on its wikipedia page. As I am not familiar with wikipedia policy, nor editing wikipedia articles at all, I didn't want to handle this issue myself. I was actually looking for a page where I could report vandalism so someone else could handle it, but I gave up looking when I found this. So I leave it in your hands. Good luck and god speed.
142.68.103.95 ( talk) 21:59, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
Hello everyone. With the Sonic Adventure article passing as a GA a few months ago and Sonic the Hedgehog (1991 video game) failing a GA, I am going to try to get the Sonic article and Sonic Adventure 2 to GA status, as with Sonic Adventure. I think we should get the Sonic articles up to GA status and since Sonic has been a popular franchise. The GAN comments and PR comments on the 1991 video game article must be addressed and this is part of the reason for my post here. Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 00:48, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
Can I get an opinion on User:Halvorsen brian/video game temps? Besides the legacy and horrible and inaccessible formattin, my feeling is that these templates aren't useful whatsoever the way they are currently. They've made their way slowly onto some related articles?
Anyone else think the bunch should be TFDd, or is there something to be salvaged there? -- Izno ( talk) 00:40, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
My feeling of Template:Sierra Adventure Games is that it's a behemoth and that the games are only tied to Sierra... and should be split up to each of the game series (some of which already have very similar templates). Thoughts? -- Izno ( talk) 01:10, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
For a couple of games I've written articles for an open alpha/beta has been released some time before the full release, namely Cube World and Sir, You Are Being Hunted. Should this release date go in the infobox or not? And if yes, how should it be written to distinguish it from the full release? Samwalton9 ( talk) 11:29, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi guys,
The genre psychological horror to me is still a narrative genre, and not a video game one. However, a couple of games have psychological horror listed as its genre in the VG infobox, i.e. Alan Wake, which I wouldn't consider a survival horror, but does action-adventure fully cover it? Or F.E.A.R. on the other hand, a first-person shooter obviously... Or should we consider a Psychological horror video game article? --Soetermans. T / C 20:00, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
Not trying to pile on Niemti, but the discussion is going nowhere. The issue is the removal by me of the cosplay images on Samus Aran, Jill Valentine, and Princess Zelda. For the Jill image in particular, it is added on the assertion that a citation claims that she is a popular source of cosplay; however, the source never states this, and simply shows a gallery of Jill cosplayers. The discussion can be found here. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 20:31, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
If anyone else could give some opinion on this?
I hate to be "that guy that got everything deleted" but from my reading of the copyright status of cosplay outfits most of these images have to be reclassified as non-free. While not all outfits are equal (an argument can be made that Jill Valentine's outfit is not origional enough for copyright protection, but that argument cannot be made for a Samus suit), at the end of the day we need to consider copyright. Both the copyright held by the creator of the character and the copyright of the creator of the costume do need to be accounted for. Sven Manguard Wha? 01:30, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
So I saw this reached Good Article status recently and when looking at its talk page it wasn't tagged for this group. I mean Otaku isn't exclusively for anime and manga. What do you guys think? GamerPro64 16:04, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
It was recently cited by Kotaku editor Jason Schrier to make a point of the quality of EarthBound's localization, due to the editor of the above website's approval. Would this constitute it to be a situational source? - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 19:32, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
So a debate came up between me and Niemti regarding the Meme section of Jill Valentine, which he contends is absolutely related to the character while I in turn contend it has less to do with the fictional character and more to do with the game, and that it hasn't contributed to the character being recognizable so much as the game's bad dialogue also (in comparison to the Mudkip theme, which while unrelated did make that character get more widespread attention). Unfortunately the debate fell apart as despite having only two sources tying them to the character, he contended I was instead making OR and he didn't have the time or care enough to add more sources he insists exist.
Anyway, with that said coming here for some outside opinions on the matter, as it would be interesting to know what the consensus is on the subject.-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 14:59, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
Memes seem to be pop culture stuff. I think the issue is how "gamecruft" it sounds by explaining in detail where these memes appear. So it can probably be shortened to a single paragraph. Lucia Black ( talk) 00:59, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
It looks like some of it is Capcom themselves reacting on it, right? In that case, it seems worthy of mentioning in the article... Sergecross73 msg me 01:05, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
So Persona 4 is up at GAR. I personally don't know how to comment on the concerns so it would be nice if someone else can take a look at it. Reviews here. GamerPro64 16:05, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi guys,
I've started two discussions about the VG infobox. One is concerning the mode field, whether or not single-player and/or multiplayer can truly cover the game modes of video games. Second is about having the engine field in the infobox, whether or not that is useful information. Your input would be much appreciated. --Soetermans. T / C 07:32, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
Hey folks, I'm in the process of converting the List of Capcom games (from this into something like this). I'm running into a lot of naming conflicts going on. Some games are listed by their Japanese names, while others are listed by their North American name. And then some are listed by both their names. For example, one game is listed as Saturday Night Slam Masters (NA) and Muscle Bomber Duo (JP). If this were a North American game company, this wouldn't be hard: I'd just list the North American name and be done with it. But Campcom is a Japanese developer so some of their games may be equally well-known by both names.
So how should I press forward? List both game titles, so they're included effectively twice? Just use the North American title and list the Japanese name in the Description column, like I did with the one above? Or something else? Thanks. — Frεcklεfσσt | Talk 01:26, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
I don't remember exactly when this started, but the current situation is that The Legend of Dragoon is being persistently vandalized by an IP address (the same one over and over). Discussion seems in vain as he already has numerous warnings on his talk page about disruptive editing. I personally have grown increasingly concerned that I may be violating a revert rule that I don't fully understand, and I'm hoping to have my fears resolved and get some help at the same time. For the purposes of full disclosure, I've never played this game; talk page consensus tells me that the actions of this IP are vandalism. Thank you for your time. Larrythefunkyferret ( talk) 08:11, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi guys,
What are the guidelines on adding system requirements? It has been removed from the infobox quite some time, but I can't find a consensus on adding it into the article body. I thought that only if it somehow is remarkable that it should be mentioned. It is okay to add that information to Payday: The Heist, which came out almost two years ago? --Soetermans. T / C 10:16, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
Requirements should be listed in a box out. You can tell instantly what the target specifications of a Super Nintendo game is, but not for a PC game. With a console, you can quickly establish that it's a 16-bit era game, with PCs, you can't - going by year alone is not precise enough. - hahnch e n 16:11, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
The opinion to only include System requirements if they are notable appears to be the consensus. Shall we now add it to the guidelines? - X201 ( talk) 15:48, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
If anyone has some time, God of War: Ghost of Sparta is at FAC. It's been up for about a month and only has one comment. -- JDC808 ♫ 02:50, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
The first nomination was archived because of practically no interest. It has been renominated. -- JDC808 ♫ 15:35, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
According to this 1UP.com interview with Hiroyuki Ito, it was him that created the battle system that was used in Final Fantasy I.
However, the following points were raised as reasons as to why this info may be inaccurate:
All these points seem solid and were accepted. However, if we return to the source interview with 1UP.com, there's one irrefutable bit of evidence that outright 100% confirms that Hiroyuki Ito did indeed make the battle system in FFI. It's the following quote:
If Hiroyuki Ito was just coming into the genre with no knowledge of it before making the battle system he's referring to in the 1UP.com interview, how can he be talking about the ATB system he made in Final fantasy IV? That's a paradox, as it's well known that Ito was involved in the debugging of FFI, FFII, and FFIII. Debugging means he had to play through the games and look for bugs and glitches. There's no way he could have never played a RPG before if the battle system he's referring to is the ATB he made in FFIV. As a result, the info in the 1UP.com interview is clearly referring to FFI. There's no mistranslation or inaccuracy. -- 78.151.159.191 ( talk) 22:51, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
I'm sure you are misinterpretting the wording of the 1up interview. Lucia Black ( talk) 00:05, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
I've split the subseries into their own template and reorganized the current one. It's still not in the best shape that it could be but I hope this is acceptable. The new templates are template:Mega Man X, template:Mega Man Zero, and template:Mega Man Legends series. Others are Star Force and Battle Network that already have their own templates. Just so that if it does get reverted (a lot of work) we could at least discuss a compromise. Lucia Black ( talk) 08:09, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
I wonder if this article can be fixed. It is tagged with notability issues. I am planning to disambiguate it, but I couldn't under this article's current condition. -- George Ho ( talk) 16:47, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
Is this template okay, or tidy gamecruft? --Soetermans. T / C 20:12, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
GRRR, I think Wikipedia and/or Twinkle has some issues; can't seem to nominate them right now. I had this in mind, "Per a WP:VG discussion concerning chronology templates; this template lists games in a chronological fashion, which isn't important for the series' continuity, which it barely has at all. Three "eras" are listed, which in turn don't have to do with each other either (except for the occasional cameo of a character). Template is redundant then, with a infobox on the bottom of every GTA article, which of course lists the games." Seems fair, no? --Soetermans. T / C 21:28, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
For the second time very recently for me personally, the topic over the inclusion of users ratings on the site Metacritic have once again come up, currently for Total War: Rome II. In past experience these appear unreliable due to potential cases of ballet stuffing, irrational reactionary voting and trolling, particularly with the more popular games on their inital release. The only times where their mention is warranted appears to be in the context of a larger issue such as in the Portal 2 article mentioned as a possible reaction to a controversy in another reference. In the example of Rome II however, there is no context other than the possibility of players simply being unhappy about launch bugs, something that is already clearly mentioned in other sources such as professional reviews and news pieces and I'm getting to impression that the mention of it on wikipedia comes off as an extension of the backlash. Is there actually a standard in regards to user scoring as this can lead to unnecessary edit warring. Stabby Joe ( talk)
In the case of Rome II, the disagreeing users rather have an issue with professional critics in general, which is just their personal opinion that goes against policy. Stabby Joe ( talk) 08:38, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
Hey, could I get a few of you guys to look at and weigh in on a dispute going on in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Article guidelines? User:Wonchop and User:Ryulong are going at it over a proposed new set of guidelines relating to Japanese text in articles, which I've said I think is unnecessary (because the salient points are covered in the general MOS) and too restrictive (there are other languages that should fall under the same rules). But at the moment, it's only part merit discussion and part personal dispute between those two, and I frankly don't feel like trying to moderate it at the moment. — KieferSkunk ( talk) — 07:05, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
Someone asked on my talk page and this isn't my field of expertise. The question was "I came across an article that seems to be about a game that is not so notable. There is no reason mentioned in the article of why the game should be on Wikipedia. Stellar Mercenaries is the article I am talking about. The entire article is written from only two sources that are not so credible. I would have nominated it for deletion myself, but..."
Could someone here take a look and I'll direct the editor to this project to get his answer. Thanks. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 07:55, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
It has now been proposed (by myself) that the section on DuckTales: Remastered on the DuckTales (video game) page be split to its own article. Additional input is requested in the discussion here. Thanks. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 16:43, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
Your comment is requested at Template talk:Infobox video game#Use of Wikidata. Thanks. -- Izno ( talk) 03:46, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
This is a head up that there may be a WP:POVPUSH and brewing edit war at MechWarrior Online. The dispute is over the significance to a controversy relating to the recent addition of a third person view mode to the game. The article does need some general TLC anyways and general copyediting as well. 24.49.23.45 ( talk) 02:38, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
I'd like someone to update the Modern Combat 4: Zero Hour article to cope with the Meltdown Update, thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blitzkrieg99 ( talk • contribs) 12:45, 29 June 2013
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You might be interested in this list, as it includes multimedia franchises with video game components. Cheers! bd2412 T 20:49, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
image:America's Army1.jpg has been nominated for deletion (this is not an FFD). -- 70.24.244.158 ( talk) 06:20, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
Tomorrow on the 16th The Simpsons: Hit & Run will be that days Featured Article on the main page. And I for one welcome our new video game overlords. GamerPro64 00:21, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
Currently, there are people arguing about this over at PlayStation 4. To start off the article, should it look like:
On one hand, it seems strange to have the translation, because I don't believe it started as a Japanese title, and was then translated to "PlayStation 4". On the other hand, I'm sure others feel that, as Sony is a Japanese-originating company, it should be this way. I don't feel super strongly one way or another, but I wanted to check and see if there was a standing consensus one way or another, and then I'd enforce it as such. Thoughts? Sergecross73 msg me 17:34, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi guys,
I could really use some input concerning the GTA templates. I've nominated the chronology one a while ago, with a lot of debating about whether or not the template does communicate any valuable information. I don't care for that particular template, but I wouldn't mind seeing the "universe" layout back into Template: Grand Theft Auto (similar to Template: Assassin's Creed), but I'm not sure how that will be received. --Soetermans. T / C 12:17, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
As with the infobox, [development] section should only include English-speaking regions and the non-English region of first release or development.
Though this is English language Wikipedia, a worldview should be proviced. If a Japanese-executed video game was official released in American and South Korea, the South Korea released date may not be listed per WP:VG/DATE. An example is Tales of Legendia, it was released on Oct 11, 2005 in South Korea, and sources can be easily provided. None of guildline means weight of non-English sources are less then English, so list the date is not failed WP:BALANCE. So why we don't allow editors list this kind of dates?-- Misaka 10077 ( talk) 05:37, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
Spira (Final Fantasy) is up for deletion and I am trying to save it under the Heymann standard, but even adding a dozen new sources including academic case studies and covering the localization process, isn't helping out too much. I have numerous sources I do not have access to including English gaming magazine publications and the Ultimania books which will help tie up the loose ends. If anyone has access to JSTOR and MUSE some additional sources may pop up. The article is already likely to meet N/GNG with a proper analysis of the sources, but assistance is greatly appreciated. ChrisGualtieri ( talk) 19:44, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
I was wondering if I could get a couple of people to do a copy edit on the article. I'm trying to bring it back to FAC, and I feel that with a couple copyedits, URL archiving, minor ref fixes, and image source-fixing, it can pass. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 23:50, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
I think it would be valuable for the project to sort of "crack down" on arbitrary use of a soundtrack's cover in a video game's article. While a soundtrack cover might have justification to be used, this is typically not the case. Besides the fact that almost every soundtrack cover I come across claims that its purpose is to be used at the top of its own article (when it is neither at the top nor is it acting as the primary representation of the subject of the article), in these cases I feel that readers would benefit from hearing an audio clip of the soundtrack rather than seeing a cover. A lot of soundtrack cover art aren't even different from the game's cover art. I think it's important for us to come up with some kind of guideline - either Wikipedia-wide or just sticking to our project - to limit these covers' use. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 15:38, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
This time his biggest complaints seems to center around the rationale that is used for the images. Which varies from article to article, some of which he doesn't seem to have read, but re-pasted the same editorial comments from his earlier edits.
New Age Retro Hippie: Rationale claims to be "top of the article", or "used for main infobox", or "it is to illustrate the subject, when it does not do that".
The only point I agree with Retro about this, is where it says at the 'top of the article', which I changed when I found them, because the uploaders clearly just used the same clip and paste style without reading what they were editing.
As to the other edits without 'top' my views are the "image does "illustrate the subject' of the infobox it represents". Rationale 'Use' should say: "in an infobox dedicated to the work in question". And from the Licensing section of image: 'solely to illustrate the audio recording in question'.
On such articles as Super Mario Galaxy, "the soundtrack has won numerous critic awards, such as "Best Design in Audio" from the U.K.'s Edge Magazine" and others where it talks about the music as "wide variety of different musical styles" one audio clip isn't representative of the whole.
Even in cases where there is one song that stands out alone, like Super Mario Bros. theme there is the repetitiveness that would be present if it was also on Super Mario Bros. because it appears in many more games then just that one, and would be in two articles. But the soundtrack album [21] does represent that game individually. While that one musical piece only represents itself and not the variety of music that is represented in the other tracks of the game, which are thematically different. It would give a false view of the game's music as being in that one style. ( Floppydog66 ( talk) 07:51, 17 September 2013 (UTC))
If the soundtrack is notable in its own right and could standalone in a separate article, the soundtrack should have its identifying art omitted. American Beauty: Original Motion Picture Score and American Beauty (soundtrack) could be merged into American Beauty (film), but even if it were - the identifying art should remain. - hahnch e n 16:23, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
it doesn't mention "related" works, nor does it mention we can't add more than 1 cover art. standard practice, doesn't mean official rule. So all we need it more critical commentary before adding in a cover art of a soundtrack if said sountrack. Lucia Black ( talk) 03:34, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
A similar situation exists in New Super Mario Bros. U. It also covers New Super Luigi U and has a cover for each. The rationale I uploaded in August, states "New Super Luigi U is a standalone release and notable in its own right". Articles which cover different notable subjects should have identifying art for all their subjects. - hahnch e n 14:43, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
I've made the argument that the CD-i and LCD boxarts are excessive, and only one of each should be featured in their respective articles due to the fact that two images cannot be used simply to identify the subject of the article. I'd appreciate some input on their talk pages. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 19:00, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
yes, that is also what i was thinking, but I'm no expert in GA/featured topic so i wasn't sure if it would have been able to become one. I'll look into Nintendo licensed CD-i games. I apparently hear there are cancelled Cd-i games for Nintendo as well outside Hotel Mario. that could possibly benefit the current Zelda Cd-i article. But that's such a big decision, it may need a stronger consensus. Lucia Black ( talk) 20:52, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
OK I'm seeing quite a bit of confusion here about what makes a topic notable. Notability is not defined by unique plot, development history, or gameplay, etc. Notability is defined by the existence of significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Regarding these games, there are indeed reliable sources significantly covering them both individually (in some articles) as well as together as a single topic (in other articles). The fact that there are several articles covering them both has a lot to do with the fact that they were released at the same time, but it's undeniable that there are several individual articles that examine them in isolation from one another. Thus they individually meet WP:N and are in fact independently notable. Does that mean that they require two separate articles? No. Just because a topic meets the GNG doesn't mean that it requires its own article. The similarities between these two provide sufficient reason to merge the topic into one article. It doesn't require that we imagine away their evident individual notability.
Practical editorial considerations suggest that both can be covered in a single article to provide context just as they were prior to the split of the article. -
Thibbs (
talk) 02:42, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
(Frankly I think it was a mistake to split out the third game (Zelda's Adventure) as it shares a pre-history and holds a similar position within the series canon, and because comparisons between it and the first two are more easily achieved when they are together in one article. I think I'm alone in this, though, so I give up. -
Thibbs (
talk) 02:42, 22 September 2013 (UTC))
Thibbs, again, it doesn't matter. GNG is irrelevant if there's no need to have three articles - one for each game - as opposed to two. The two games are so similar that they can be adequately covered without A. missing content, or B. being too large or limited. Your argument for Zelda's Adventure being anywhere near the same amount of similarity is rather reaching. Majora's Mask uses the same engine as OoT and a lot of the same character models. Even more so than Zelda's Adventure, Majora's Mask shares a connection between OoT than ZA does for any of the CD-i games. A history of HOW they came into being is the only similarity they share and is not nearly enough to justify merging all three games together. Both articles can stand on their own without any harm coming whatsoever, meaning it ensures that we potentially have two GAs instead of one. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 02:58, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
(no audio or footage of the game, simply to show the motion of how the GBA SP is turned) Can anyone create this video? - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 06:49, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
I'd like a quick opinion on creating an article for the game Hyper Light Drifter. It is a Kickstarted-funded project by a relative single-dev unknown which has been recognized by reliable sources for both the game's concept and art, and the high success of the ongoing kickstarter (guy was asking for like $25k, but has gotten over $200k within the first week). The KS is still going, and all signs is the dev is certain to see this through.
Now, if this was something like the Double Fine Adventure, developed by an established studio, we could at minimum include the game at the developer's page, but we don't have that option here. Further, because being an unknown dev, while I have full trust he will complete the project, that's a crystal-ball approach. And while the KS is well beyond the funding requested, there could still be something that happens that the funding stops or is pulled.
I'm personally against creating the article, at least until the KS is over successfully, but I'd like others opinions here. -- MASEM ( t) 21:50, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
I've been thinking, since Virtual Boy will never have many more articles that it has, making a GT or FT is within reason. At maximum, the topic would only require 25 articles involved (assuming we don't merge any articles). - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 01:34, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
Excluding multi-console games and cancelled games, I count about 15 articles that would fit the topic. This number can also be reduced by taking some of the less notable titles such as Virtual League Baseball and Golf (Virtual Boy). - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 02:00, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
Alright, I've gotten as much as I can into Golf (video game). Was hoping someone could copyedit it; I think it's big enough to bring it to GA status with the work. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 08:52, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
User is making
good-faith, but massive and
unsourced changes to the voice acting portions of Mario-related character articles (one edit summary cited reference as "Super Mario Wiki"). I'm not at all familiar enough with video game/anime voice acting to be helpful in this regard (i.e. info could be right or wrong, I don't know), nor the appropriate Manual of Style for such info within {{Infobox VG}}
. PLEASE provide IMMEDIATE guidance to this user!!
DK
qwerty 03:53, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
Game Developer magazine has released its all issues online for free: http://www.gdcvault.com/gdmag Might be a useful resource for some articles. -- Mika1h ( talk) 20:01, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
I've put forward an RFC on Template talk:Infobox video game#RFC: Add budget field for the addition of an optional field for budget (and potentially another for revenue), so am inviting comments on that page. I have explained my rationale more fully at the talk page, but it is essentially that the Grand Theft Auto games are now not the only games with 8-figure budgets. — Sasuke Sarutobi ( talk) 14:12, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
I was just thinking about this. Generally when I've referenced this, I've done the following: |work=Game Informer |publisher=GameStop. However, would this be different when sourcing from the website and not the magazine? In this case, would it be just |publisher=Game Informer? - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 22:24, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
A discussion has been underway since September 4 about deleting Template:Grand Theft Auto chronology. The discussion has provoked a great response from both sides of the argument, but at this stage there is no clear consensus. Any additional feedback to help resolve the nomination either way would be appreciated.
In addition, Liberty City (Grand Theft Auto), Liberty City (Grand Theft Auto III era), Liberty City (Grand Theft Auto IV era) and Vice City have all been nominated for deletion at once. Like the template discussion, there is a debate which has seen a strong response but not clear consensus has been reached as of yet, so feedback on this proposal would be appreciated as well. CR4ZE ( t) 03:22, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
Like the note in List of best-selling video game franchises, it provides a "precise" sales for Final Fantasy series: 102.04 million. The one million is from it's official, but I'd like to say, one million is approximate number, not exact "100.00 million". Compared with other series, like Dragon Quest has been sold "62 million", Tomb Raider has been sold "35 million", I believe it means "Final Fantasy has been sold more than 100.00 million, but not reached 100.99 million copies"; or just means "more than a millennium count" (Japanese groups 100 million as 1,0000,0000). Thus I think, adds detailed figures to a approximate number not only is unscientific, but reports readers an incorrect information. (It could be 102.04+0.99=103.03 :P) So should there only written "100 million" until official or other RS provided a specific sales?-- Check the time ( talk) 13:02, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
To all members of this project: Please join and comment upon the following discussion: Talk:Mario_Kart#Collapse_or_uncollapse_characters_table.3F NOTE: This is not an attempt to canvass, I'm merely soliciting any and all comments from more-experienced editors whose reasoning doesn't boil down to "keep everything," but can cite policy to support their position, whatever it might be. Thank you. DK qwerty 17:24, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
Some articles out there have more than one game covered in them. If the games were released as separate full priced games, then should they be allowed to have their own infoboxes and an image of their cover? Should they each be allowed also a screenshot of gameplay, since that's important to understand what the game is about? Or should only the first game listed in the article be allowed that? Dream Focus 15:52, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
Usually, a series of games would cover a logo instead of a cover because the art can be vastly different, right? If we're allowed to add two cover arts, i suggest making them smaller. But even so, 3 covers may be excessive too right? and just to give an example of this, there is Mega Man Star Force which as a Leo, Peagesus and Dragon version, and all 3 have their own individual covers. I believe if their too similar, we shouldn't even add an individual cover, we should just say "this is cover A depicting character A, cover B has character B instead" As new age retro hippie said, it's the game play differences that matter most. Lucia Black ( talk) 00:21, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
Oracle of Ages and Oracle of Seasons. Ill be clear. "Address" that your going to ignore it, or adress it. The naming doesn't necesarily matter, their grouped together despite being separate releases. Lucia Black ( talk) 01:58, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
Where there is one image of all three covers thus taking away the need for having multiple articles. Hopefully User:Masem will take a look at the rationale of this and 'Super Mario Galaxy: Original Soundtrack' and see if they work. Because I'm sure if it says 'a video game cover' and there are more then one Retro will probably claim it is unfair use and try delete it, or do some such thing then argue about it with the uploader/reverter for a while, and then afterward go to the article or project page that it is for and discuss it properly.
"It will illustrate the cover art for three releases of the game, without it there would be three separate images of each release on various articles. This version of the cover art for all three limits the use of such images, and the possibility that they could be used to pirate the cover of any of the games represented."
"Photograph I took of the cover art of all three releases."
But that is also my suggestion for the CD-i Zelda games also, whether they are all on one article or they are split into some having two games discussed in the article, an image of each game should be present. The same developer and publisher are usually used for each game when two or more similar games are disscussed in one article. As with Link: The Faces of Evil and Zelda: The Wand of Gamelon I'd give them one image with two screenshots showing the differances and similarities of the two games. ( Floppydog66 ( talk) 06:52, 19 September 2013 (UTC))
Two different notable subjects in one article. Both subjects should have identifying art regardless of "thematic similarities". This is the same argument I gave in the Soundtrack art discussion above. - hahnch e n 14:44, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
Even after a week of reading through these discussions I still struggle to understand how the use of two cover-art images is inappropriate for an article whose topic is two different games (like Link: The Faces of Evil and Zelda: The Wand of Gamelon or The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages). I don't believe that NFCC effects a bar because I do not find the covers of different games to be equivalent even if they are similar and I do believe that the two covers together increase a reader's understanding significantly more than the use of one cover alone. And I do believe that both cover-art images meets all non-free use rationales both explicit and implicit. The current "Purpose" section of the standard VG coverart NFUR, when filled out by the image-upload wizard provides two rationales: (1)visual identification of the topic, and (2)assurance to the reader that they have navigated to the article on the topic they were looking for. As Masem points out, a third implicit rationale also exists when cover-art provides (3) " marketing, branding, and identification information that the cover conveys". Let's take these three in turn. First, there can be no question that a second cover-art image would visually identify half of the joint topic. Second, it seems obvious that images of both covers would provide better assurance to the reader interested in either or both game than using only a single image of one of the games. The reader will be coming to the article either to read about game A, about game B, or about games A&B together. If both covers are used we assure the reader coming for any of these reasons. If we only use one cover we assure the reader in only a third of the cases. Third, unless the two covers are identical, the use of both images together provides additional marketing, branding, and identification information that one alone cannot convey. Even if they are highly similar, the degree of similarity between them is not something that is easy to convey in writing alone. And similarities in visual appearance are obviously significant to a complete grasp of marketing efforts and branding decisions. If I am wrong for policy reasons then the policy is completely unclear and needs immediate clarification. If I am wrong simply because others disagree with my subjective/discretionary assessments then I'd really appreciate some substantive engagement with them. - Thibbs ( talk) 22:49, 27 September 2013 (UTC)