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I dunno about you guys, but I really really really hate the retro genre. First of all I dont think its a real genre, and just refers to more of a pop culture view of the games. "Thats an old game, its considered retro!" I move that we strike it from computer and video game genres and all mentions on any game pages. It may be valid as a descriptor, but not as a genre. As a game like Pac-man is much different than say Battlezone and is also much different than say a game like Qix. Sometiems the argument is made in terms of simplicity, but I find many of todays arcade games to be more simplistic than games were back in 1982. -- larsinio (poke) (prod) 18:09, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure what to do with tese two articles, and which one to merge to, or keep them seperate. I'd say merge to TurboGrafx 16, but doesnt that make it very American-oriented? But if it stays split then were setting a precedent by having seperate Famicom/Super Famicom articles. -- larsinio (poke) (prod) 13:43, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
These categories are redudant IMO. What do you guys think? -- larsinio (poke) (prod) 20:34, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Why oh why?! --16:16, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
From this page i found this list. We should aim to cover all these games with decent articles. -- larsinio [[User talk:larsinio|
(poke)]]
(prod) 21:45, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
First game played on a computer:
Noughts and Crosses (Tic Tac Toe), A.S. Douglas, 1952
First action-based ("arcade style") computer video game:
Tennis for Two, 1958
First space-themed, genre-defining computer game -
Spacewar!, 1962
First video game played on a television screen -
Fox and Hounds, 1966
First video game to accept coins -
Galaxy Game, Computer Recreations, Inc, 1971
First video game in arcades -
Computer Space, Nutting Associates, 1971
First team sports game (also first sports sim) -
Baseball, 1971
First successful arcade video game -
PONG, Atari, 1972
First adventure games -
Adventure and
Hunt the Wumpus, 1975
First RPG --
pedit5 on
PLATO System and
Dungeon on
PDP-10, 1974-75
First home video game console - Odyssey, Magnavox, 1972
First coin-op racing game with steering wheel and gearshift -
Gran Trak 10, Atari, 1974
First cocktail table arcade game -
Quadra Pong, Atari, 1974
First arcade videogame with a microprocessor -
Gun Fight, 1975
First controversial arcade game -
Death Race, Exidy, 1976 (See also Space Invaders [1978], Custer's Revenge [1983], Chiller [1986], and Mortal Kombat [1992].)
First "brick-breaking" ball-and-bat game:
Breakout, Atari, 1976
First arcade game based on a computer game:
Space Wars, 1977 (Also the first vector graphics arcade game.)
First vertical shoot-em-up:
Space Invaders, Taito, 1978
First coin-op trackball game/video sports game/scrolling playfield:
Atari Football, Atari, 1978
First "cockpit" game:
Star Fire, Exidy, 1978
First game to track high scores with initials:
Star Fire, Exidy, 1978
First head-to-head fighting game:
Warrior, Cinematronics, 1978
First coin-op game in true RGB color:
Galaxian, 1979
First pseudo-graphical dungeon game:
Rogue, 1980 on
PLATO System and
Dungeon on
PDP-10, 1975
First 1st-person flying sim:
Red Baron (arcade game), Atari, 1980 (See also Tailgunner [1979])
First game with a "bonus round":
Carnival (game), Gremlin/Sega, 1980
First home game system with selectable starting level of difficulty:
Intellivision console,
Mattel, 1980
First game with a character/first to be very popular with female players:
Pac-Man, Namco, 1980
First game with pseudo-3D first-person environment:
Battlezone, Atari, 1980
First game with secondary weapon and fully realized "game universe" stretching beyond the screen:
Defender, Williams, 1980
First game with "different levels" and "boss enemy":
Ozma Wars, 1979 (see also Astro Fighter, Phoenix [1980] and GORF, Scramble [1981])
First coin-op game with a female programmer:
Astro Blaster, 1981
First home game with a female programmer: Intellivision
Pinball, 1982, and
Shark Shark 1982
First color vector game:
Space Duel, 1980;
Space Fury was 1981
First coin-op game with speech synthesis:
Stratovox, 1981
First coin-op game with selectable starting level of difficulty:
Tempest, Atari, 1981
First
sim game or
god game -
Utopia, Intellivision, 1981
First laserdisc game -
Astron Belt], Sony, 1982
First coin-op game with non-monophonic sound:
Sinistar (cockpit version), Williams, 1983
First game with true three-dimensional filled polygons -
I-Robot, Atari, 1983
First coin-op game with selectable camera angles -
I-Robot, Atari, 1983
First home game with selectable camera angles -
Intellivision World Series Baseball, 1983
First coin-op driving game to add shooting and other features:
Spy Hunter, 1983
First home driving game to add shooting and user-defined tracks:
Racing Destruction Set, 1983
First coin-op game with a stereo music soundtrack and an ending:
Marble Madness, Atari, 1984
First MMO Game on a Commercial Service -
Islands of Kesmai, 1984
First MMO Game with graphics -
Air Warrior, 1987
First MMORPG with graphics -
Neverwinter Nights, AOL, 1991
Can we get some consensus on which ( if any ) review scores to include in articles? There seems to be a tendency for people to continually add review scores from various magazines & websites to articles, leading to a messy list with no real purpose. I'd personally like to see just the MetaCritic average score followed by a link to the metacritic site, which has already compiled a comprehensive list of all review scores a game has received. If people want more review scores to be detailed in the main article, then I'd suggest limiting it to the largest ( circulated ) magazines & websites ( ie. GameInformer, Gamespot, IGN ). Any thoughts? TheExtruder 11:22, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Music articles (for example FA Smile (Brian Wilson album)) include numerical reviews. Some movies like The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (film) include the IMDB score. Personally, I think that picking random reviews and including the score in articles is too subjective and NPOV. However, I do think that perhaps we could include the Gamerankings score (for example Oblivion) in aricles. Metacritic could also be an option. Consistency should be very important here. jaco plane 04:49, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
So, do we have any consensus on this issue? We should conclude this discussion and add something to the Wikiproject guidelines. jaco plane 13:23, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
I'm not strongly opposed to a summary of review scores being included (I've added a few myself), but I can see that the subjectivity of the choice of publications to be featured could result in disputes. Perhaps the best thing to do would be to simply link to the relevant Gamerankings/Metacritic pages, and for anything else that's notable, quotations are much more appropriate than scores, as they allow particularly praised or criticised aspects of games to be discussed. They can also be be incorporated into the text more smoothly than scores, which inevitably end up as simple lists. So users should be encouraged to add concise quotations where possible. -- Nick R Talk 00:36, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
I like Nick R's suggestion. I also really don't care so long as there isn't any obvious POV-pushing here. You can use statistics, quotes, or whatever to prove just about anything so the solution here is to have a wide array of sources, stats, and quotes from both sides of the aisle. Compilation sites such as GameRankings, Metacritic, and Rotten Tomatoes probably work best here. Related to this, I must admit I really dislike sections entitled "Criticsims" or something to that effect. I would suggest that we should avoid this at all costs. Better to have a section titled "Reception" or "Critical reaction" that not only points out the critcisms, but also the praises. Unfortunately, it's so much easier to point out the bad. K1Bond007 03:18, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Recently this link [1] was presented as evidence as the XBox selling 24 million units but I have become suspicious. I think they are just rounding up the GmaeCube's and XBox's sales data and presenting Sony's 100 million shipped as sold. Does anyone else have any link to support that data? Jedi6 -(need help?) 19:41, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
By Category Year' (Done/In Progress)
1970s -
1980 - 1981 - 1982 - 1983 - 1984 - 1985 - 1986 - 1987 - 1988 - 1989 - 1990 - 1991 - 1992 - 1993 - 1994 - 1995 - 1996 - 1997 - 1998 - 1999 - 2000 - 2001 - 2002 - 2003 - 2004 - 2005 - 2006 - 2007 -
2008
Alphebetically (through
WP:AWB) (Done)
A - B - C - D - E - F - G - H - I - J - K - L - M - O - N - P - Q - R - S - T - U - V - W - X - Y - Z
How come I can't find any mention of the {{cvgproj}} template that you can place on a game article's talk page? That should be prominently mentioned on the project page so people know to do that. I also can't find a guideline for what categories each new game article should go into. Aguerriero 23:23, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
I split up the "Content" part of the article into "Common elements" and "Scope of information". I wrote the Common elements to give people a short list of what should be included in every article. Please review. I am going to do some more work on the whole "Computer and video games article guidelines" heading to make it better organized. Aguerriero 17:42, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Well, lets consider for a momment. Looking at the text the template depicts, it gives the impression that the project is contributing immense amounts of attention to the target article. I think it a tad naughty to place it on every page encountered unless the project and a substansial amount are editting.
This occured recently when I went slightly mad (Gadzooks!) and overhalled the entire Samurai Shodown character articles, expanding and creating brand new articles. I did this almost alone, save for some lovely help from anon editors. When I spied my watchlist one day, I noticed the template inserted on the talkpage of one of the character articles. That is misleading. I inquired for assistance on both of these projects [2] [3] on this talkpage and not one soul responded. Needless to draw conclusion, I had to research and complete all these myself.
I think it plausible to make only descriminate additions of the template to articles the project is curently calloborating on. It makes it falsely depict attention is being given, and its not. - Zero Talk 17:49, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
I'm working on '89, but it's huge, so I've only got A-C done now. Chris M. 06:16, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
Okay, here's one way to do it with
WP:AWB... 1) Go
here, enter the desired category
here. 2) Follow the instructions to paste the URL into the "make list from text file" dialog, in AWB. 3) Enable Find and replace in AWB, with the pattern Find="^" and Replacewith="{{cvgproj}}\r\n". Also click on "are regular expressions" in that dialog. 4) Enable "skip if contains", and enter in the box: "{{cvgproj}}". Then click start. A lot of them are already filled in, so it's still a bit of time between hitting "Save", but at least it should be faster than doing it completely manually. --
Interiot 14:32, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
Okay. I've finished up to the J section in Category:1999 computer and video games, but there's a question I feel the need to bring up. Should we add the template if the talk page already contains a template for one of its daughter projects? If it already says it's a member of (for example} the Final Fantasy WikiProject, we don't need to add this, do we? -- Optichan 22:01, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
UPDATE: Interiot has pointed out to me that the new version of AWB works great for this exact task, so I would suggest using that instead of doing this manually \o/ ! jaco plane 10:00, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
For what it's worth, as of v2.3.0.0 of AWB, we're able to use AWB to tag about 5 pages a minute. With ~3750 pages left to tag, that's only 12.5 hours of work left.
The procedure is:
The toolserver list does its best to include all articles we need, and to ignore all pages that have child-project tags on them already ({{ FinalFantasyProject}}, {{ PCP-drive}}, {{ NWSeriesProject}}, {{ MortalKombatProject}}). I'd be happy to discuss how the toolserver list works, or tweak it if need be. But basically, at this point, there really shouldn't need to be much human oversight... you should be able to more or less click "Save" blindly, if you trust the toolserver list to be working properly. -- Interiot 10:13, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
I had recently created Ozma Wars, and as I normalyl do, uploaded some screenshots. Due to the page not being that long I put the screenshots in a gallery with descriptions. User:Carnildo removed that gallery citing
"See Wikipedia:Fair use#Policy, point #8. Images in galleries do not illustrate points made in the text of the article.)" He apparently has something against galleries specifically. I checked the policy and it does'nt specifically mention image galleries. The material clearly repreents items that I had talked about in the article, as any user who actually read the article can see. I reverted his change with discussion, and then he reverted back. I have since added some more context on the page, such that the third image is specifically mentioned in the text for contextual purposes. I also wrote on his user page explaining:
Has anyone else experienced removal odf screenshot galleries? Is this valid? Is this compliuance under fair use images? Arent screenshots of video games almost automatically valid by context, as they picture the gameplay? Do we really need to go above and beyond to prove their fair use? Please comment -- larsinio (poke) (prod) 20:24, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
The ESRB rating is beneficial to the infobox. Not only does it allow for someone skimming through the article to get the rating info at a glance (rather than having to sift through text), but it also takes up a very, VERY small amount of space. There is no reason whatsoever that a policy should exist whereby the ESRB rating image deserves to be removed. To put it simply, it serves a purpose and it's not bogging down the page. Daniel Davis 18:37, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Doom127 has just informed me on my talk page that he is being harassed about this conflict through AIM and Yahoo, which is why he chose to left. I call upon everyone to stop this; it's turned what could have been a civil discussion into a situation that has driven a contributor away from the site. Please, don't give Wikipedia or Wikipedians a bad name. Pagra shtak 22:30, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Personally, I don't think we need them nor do I think we should use them. My understanding of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines concerning images gives me the impression that we couldn't use them regardless of whether we were in agreement one way or another. "The material must contribute significantly to the article (e.g. identify the subject of an article, or specifically illustrate relevant points or sections within the text) and must not serve a purely decorative purpose." - I would say this is decorative. K1Bond007 22:53, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
The ESRB does NOT consider the use of their images "Fair Use" in regards to the rating of a game. The logic as I understand it is: If you were to write an article about the ESRB you may use their rating images. The specific phrase of the law to pay attention to is "for purposes such as criticism, comment,...or research, is not an infringement of copyright." You are commenting on the ESRB itself. However in article on a specific game that is not commenting on the ESRB the ESRB images are protected under copyright. In this case since the commentary is about the game and not about the ESRB images are and may not be used without permission. The ESRB has a procedure in place to get permission and I would believe they would grant Wikipedia permission to use the images. Until someone goes and gets permission I think the argument is moot. -- Flipkin 15:43, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
OK, I'm not completely familiar with the fair use rules but, forget them for a moment. Look at an article's infobox with the little ESRB rating symbol in it...can you actually read it? I feel they just aren't practical. If it says for example: ESRB: K-A or ESRB: Kids to Adults that should be enough information for someone to understand what the product is rated. If they don't understand, they can click on the ESRB part. Chipmunk01 16:39, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
User:Someguy0830 has changed the CVG infobox, along with some others. According to the userpage, it's something that he just does from time to time. Do we like it? I personally prefer the old one, I find the contrasting colours makes it easy to read, now there's way too much blue. - Hahnch e n 11:32, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
There is a new debate in
Template talk:Infobox VG#Records? about the speedrun/highscore parameters in the template.
Dread Lord CyberSkull
✎☠ 03:36, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
Hey all, I created the game development tool article. Read & edit to your pleasure. :-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 19:56, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Ugh. Is it me or did these people die from dehydration/lack of sleep/stupidity? This article seems totally POV to me. jaco plane 13:21, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
On the same note, this got created today, and should probably be treated in a similar manner: Kim Kyung-Jae. -- Naha| (talk) 04:02, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Has this been discussed? Is there a policy? -- Flipkin 18:24, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
Are you sure? The example I was told was: The New York times takes a photograph of Mick Jagger. Mick's image and likeness are his copyright. However the NYT can use the images under fair use. The specific phrase to pay attention to is "for purposes such as criticism, comment,...or research, is not an infringement of copyright." However my understanding is that the Washington Post cannot use the NYT photo without express permission. While the image is copyright of Mick Jagger the photos are copyright New York Times. The NYT can use the images under certain restrictions under fair use. However fair use does not grant other outlets the right to use the New York Time images. Unless of course they are commenting on the NYT. I am not a laywer, but this is how it was explained to me. -- Flipkin 03:13, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
I don't know. In the game industry press the ability to take a well framed screenshot is considered valuable. I would also say that the websites some of these screen shots are coming from GameSpot, IGN, Gamespy, GameDaily very much earn from the screenshots ( and other things ). A good write up on copyright 10 Big Myths about copyright explained -- Flipkin 14:54, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
Category:PC games is filled mostly with articles that can go into it's subcategories. Most of the articles should be moved to Category:Windows games, but I am not that familiar with the Windows gaming scene to do the moves. Even though when we say PC we mostly mean Windows, it would be better to say what OS the game uses, especially for older ones where there can be a great amount of confusion. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 05:03, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
The list is down to under 100. I'm gonna go back to stub sorting for now since all that is left basically is the "PC booter" games. Thunderbrand 01:41, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
In recent discussions about some Warcraft III mods, it has been mentioned that there is some kind of "bar of notability". One assumes that people would know whether the mod rises above the bar or not. Apparently, some editors feel every mod is non-notable, while other feel every mod is notable.
I thought, why don't we start with some criteria so that people canhave criteria to measure against? If there's a system, then we can base AfD arguments on that instead of just being forced to debate each one extensively. Some criteria that come to mind that make a mod notable:
Does that sound like a few good ones to start? -- Habap 18:28, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Since I've been writing several articles on game development tools, I thought it'd be handy to have a template to link them all, much like the game development footer template we created a while back. But I have some misgivings about it and want to throw them up here at the project:
The Game development tools series | |||||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Game design | Programming | Art | Level design | ||||
Wiki Word processor |
API IDE Library SCM SDK |
3D modeler Photoshop Importer Exporter |
Level editor | ||||
Game development |
Any input would be greatly appreciated. :-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 19:09, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
I've decided to not go ahead with it. Most of that stuff is general purpose and not specific to game development. They are used in game development, but not exclusively. Thanks for the feedback. By the way, I just create the 3D modeler article. Please visit and edit. :-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 17:15, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
I've noticed that many games have "Retro" listed as their genre in the infobox. This seems pretty silly to me. I changed it at Amidar but then I saw it's much more widespread than that. So I wanted some consensus here before making lots of changes- or maybe somebody with a bot could help out?
The designation "retro" only makes any sense because these articles were written 20 years after the game was published. The game seems retro now, but surely it wasn't designed in order to seem retro. Will World of Warcraft have genre "retro" in 2030? People will think of it as retro, but that's not the genre of the game. It will still be a fantasy MMPORG.
The genre "retro" should only be used (if at all) for games that were deliberately designed to be retro when they were published. There probably aren't many examples- maybe Maelstrom and other Ambrosia Software games that were written specifically to be throwbacks to classic games. A real example (though not very notable) is Peasant's Quest, which was designed to be retro. Staecker 11:55, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Just wanted to throw in that I do think that there's one instance where the term 'retro' can be used correctly in an article. While it's probably innapropriate (as per above) to call Robotron: 2084 a 'retro' game, I think it's probably safe to refer to its appearence in Midway Arcade Treasures as a 'retro' port, owing to that being the sense in which it was released. -- InShaneee 17:44, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
OK, I've just cleaned out all the retro genres in the 1980, 1981, 1982 categories. There's probably more though... Staecker 13:15, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
I've noticed a lot of video game screenshots (mainly when taken from emulators) are out of proportion, due to many consoles and computer video modes using non-square pixels. For example with NES and SNES games the standard resolution is 256x224, which is a pixel aspect ratio of 8:7, which is almost square. However, the actual aspect ratio of the video outputted by these consoles is 4:3 as the pixels are not outputted as square. Unfortunately a computer or anything that renders images on a webpage (assuming the display is set up correctly and the web page does not specify to resize the picture out of proportion) will render the pixels as square - making any of these screenshots look out of proportion, e.g Image:SuperMarioBrosNESTitle.png which is squashed horizontally.
I propose that in the future (and if possible with all current screenshots showing this issue) that the screenshots be resized to their intended aspect ratio, which is nearly always 4:3 for games using standard TV sets or monitors, 16:9 for games using widescreen displays, or 3:4 for arcade games with vertical monitors. There will be exceptions of course were proprietary monitor systems are used - the Vectrex for example seems to use a 9:11 display. -- Zilog Jones 15:55, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
I think we have a few inappropriately detailed portals, so please see Miscellany_for_deletion/Portal:RuneScape and Miscellany_for_deletion/Portal:StarCraft. Andre ( talk) 19:09, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
I would like to create a new article about the Superman Syndrome. From what I've read from the Starlancer site, I think it would be a good addition to the video games project. I was thinking something along the lines of the Stormtrooper_effect. Any suggestions on how to start (I'm still a relatively new member to wikipedia)-- Jonthecheet 05:53, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
Articles of discontinued systems are written in the past tense, while the articles of systems currently in production are written in the present tense. Why is it that the Sega Master System's controller "was considered extremely durable", yet the Nintendo Gamecube "uses a unique storage medium"? For purposes of consistency, all of the game console pages should be written in the same tense (preferably the present tense, since the Master System's controller is still considered durable). Scorpi0n 20:48, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
The article Resident Evil (series) had had a great deal of work put into it over the past few months. A peer review and a to-do list were submitted/made/archived, but have been deleted. Rather than submit it for another Peer Review, I'd just like to ask the people here what this article needs. Morgan695 01:17, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
From WP:CVG#Scope of information: Articles on computer and video games should give an encyclopedia overview of what the game is about, not a detailed description of how to play it. Such topics should be moved to Wikibooks computer and video games bookshelf.
Wikibooks is not a gaming wiki. It is a general wiki for instructional resources. The Wikibookians are concerned that computer and video game guides are overrepresented. Currently I am trying to secure a mechanism to move some or all such guides from Wikibooks to gaming wikis. I have noticed that b:Doom, for example, contains mostly rejected Wikipedia content, and not the good content in Category:Doom.
These gaming wikis all have MediaWiki server software and use the GNU FDL:
These are all, I think, better places for game guides than Wikibooks. -- Kernigh 04:33, 23 April 2006 (UTC) (same as Wikibooks:User:Kernigh)
It is only my personal concern. As Garrett says below, the situation on Wikibooks only changed recently. Before that, when Wikipedia was moving unwanted gaming content to Wikibooks, I think that it would have been better to move the content to a gaming wiki. -- Kernigh 01:04, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
This is recent, which is why you have only just heard about it. But anyway Jimmy hath spoken; videogame guides are now officially on death row. Read b:Wikibooks:Staff lounge#Wikibooks is not a depository for video game manuals for more on this.
However there's no need to worry about guides disappearing; the StrategyWiki team (including myself) have made preparations to import all suitable videogame guides. This is not going to be a half-hearted history cut-'n'-paste like transwiki bots do either, instead the authentic full edit histories will be imported directly from database dumps thanks to the excellent MWDumper.
When the time comes we will need all the help we can get updating the articles here. While the pages on Wikibooks will exist for a time as soft redirects, eliminating the wasted step is a top priority. Garrett Talk 11:56, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Do we need a new template to account for this policy change? Something along these lines perhaps:
-- Muchness 05:15, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Just thought I'd give you WoW folks a heads up - World of Warcraft terminology is up for AFD - noticed it because I work on the MMORPG terms and acronyms pages. -- Naha| (talk) 06:07, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
I've created a new subpage at Wikipedia:WikiProject Computer and video games/Version 1.0 articles for listing featured, good, and A- and B-Class articles. (page taken from WP Cricket - they seem to do everything on Wikipedia). We should list any good (as in A/B Class) articles here, regardless of their essentialness. I haven't added any non-featured articles yet though - add in any articles you think are A-Class or B-Class (see Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment). -- gakon5 01:51, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Do we list the Wii as Nintendo Wii or Wii? I think that Wii will be fine, especially for categories. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 22:05, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I forgot to post the CfR discussion link: Wikipedia:Categories for deletion#Nintendo Wii categories. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 23:55, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi this is Caleb09 how do I join a wikiproject specifically this one? Caleb09
Hello, I've noticed a lot of different representations of hardware specifications. I think perhaps some sort of template should be used rather than various differing forms of presenting it. xAXISx 18:27, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
I've just spotted this article from a Whatlinkshere to Sin Episodes. I literally have no idea what it's about. It seems to be a merging of episodic delivery with Majestic style "beyond gaming" principles. The phrase "episodic metagames" hardly gives any Google hits. I think it looks like a neologism by the people behind Imperial Wars. Could someone look this think over? - Hahnch e n 00:44, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
I have created a new barnstar for those of us who tirelessly contribute to the whole wealth of Konami articles, from Gradius to Castlevania, to Parodius, to Contra, to Gunbare Goemon and even for you DDR folks. -- larsinio (poke) (prod) 16:27, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
We just noticed that the Structures of the GLA page is up for deletion. We do not know if anyone here cares, but we would like for the page to stay. Is there anything we can do to save it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.65.246.117 ( talk • contribs) 07:50, 9 May 2006.
Up for deletion. Concenus provided is "its a game guide". -
Zero
Talk 19:03, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Since E3 is starting to kick off, there is likely to be a ton of new information coming out in the next few days. It would be nice if people could help out by updating the current events page. jaco♫ plane 21:58, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Ok, E³ is here! Tag all articles that will probably be updated with {{ e3}}. Normally such articles could just be tagged with {{ current game}}. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 10:30, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
I've taken down the remaining e3 tags. There are no current events listed as of this post. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 00:04, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Currently there is an argument over whether we should split the Worms series article into individual articles, or keep them as one main article [4]. I've mentioned this here to see if we can get some more community consensus over what to do.-- ☆ TBC ☆ 15:41, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
What was once http://www.the-underdogs.org is now defunt and points to generic advertizing rubbish, while the original site now resides at http://www.the-underdogs.info (thanks to jaco for bringing the new address to my attention). Now some computer game pages such as Robot Odyssey have a link to what was once the game's entry in the old URL - is there a way to change all of them in one stroke? Eldar 22:22, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Alright, I definitely think you should claim/mark the Gran Turismo (video game) article for this project. In my opinion, however, you should forget about and remove from your project the version-specific entries ( Gran Turismo (video game) tries to at least overview them all). The version-specific entries tend, even more than most articles, to be besotted with foolish prattle, and the mere number of the articles makes it difficult to decide how they should be tidied, let alone tidy them all up.-- SportWagon 22:47, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
I noticed the screenshot galleries on video game consoles have been disappearing. Why is this? This definatley should nto be, and i think every screenshot can be validated as fair use from the context of the article. It is not decorative. Ive restored them on Xbox Xbox 360 and PlayStation 2-- larsinio (poke) (prod) 17:03, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Generally a gallery of screenshots images will not be fair use. An image may be fair use when it is the subject of the article, and discussed in the text. To give a comparison, a poem my be quoted in an article when it is being analysed, but an article about a poet may not include a selection of his poems at the end. ed g2s • talk 22:54, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
? Also I agree with Mega man Zero in that this is "grey matter" territory. Why dont you give peopel ac chance to valdiate the use of images before you strip them and they get orphoned and deleted by OrphanBot. -- larsinio (poke) (prod) 16:27, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
ed g2s: my problem is that the screenshots shown for each console page tend to represent the best and most representive games of that console. To me, that is most certainly significant. Showing screens of several games, to remind readers just what made the console special and unique at its time, and what drove the machine's popularity and its creative highlights, is a very important point. Perhaps the screenshot galleries could simply be renamed to tell that this is their significance? To me, this is definitely a worthy concern. And I'm sure it is shared by others working hard on these Wiki entries. -- Swaaye 17:25, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
is already quite clear on the matter. ed g2s • talk 16:26, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Please give your comments on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Computer_and_video_games the topic of screenshot galleries on video game consoles. Thunderbrand has indicated that you have been removing them from articles. Please state your reasoning. -- larsinio (poke) (prod)
I am really geeked about this because it gives great exposure to video game articles in general, and to our project. Kudos to everyone who worked to make this a great article. Aguerriero ( ţ) ( ć) ( ë) 12:57, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
From the discussion occuring on Talk:Assault Plus....
There appears to be some disagreement over including export information with this game. I'm strongly in favor it it being there - if at least because more information generally makes an article stronger. It's also very notable in that it explains the rarity of the game outside of Japan. Now, if you disagree, let's talk with some reasoned arguments rather than go revert happy. - Mr.Logic 16:11, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
THe user who added it, Gingerfield Rocks has had a long history of making immaterial, edits that wind up being reverted, which he applies to 30 articles simultaneously. I will await your response before I revert it. If needed I will get more people involved on this discussion-- larsinio (poke) (prod) 16:30, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
He posted this in my talk page:
IMO, gingerfield has failed to explain at all why a standard copyright notice shoudl be included. -- larsinio (poke) (prod) 13:20, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
What is the preferred pic for the image in the infoboxes? It says on the guideline in the wikiproject for the cover. I've seen many articles that previous had covers now have been replaced with screenshots instead.
Here are some of them:
-- Dangerous-Boy 07:35, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
This has been bugging me for a while: could someone who has the Wind Waker take a better screenshot of Hyrule Castle? jaco♫ plane 08:18, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
On new pages patrol, I noticed that User:Cs california has created a large number of Red Alert 2 related articles, such as Red Alert 2 Soviet Vehicles. I do not know the CVG notability criteria, but I presume most of these should be merged or deleted. Oldelpaso 08:29, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Why does this project no longer have its own cleanup tag? It’s an extremely specialized area of knowledge, and non-gamers are liable to delete or AfD articles they don’t consider relevant or notable if the regular {{ cleanup}} tag is used. -- WikidSmaht ( talk) 10:05, May 13, 2006 (UTC)
Everyone please start removing the {{e3}} tags from articles as E3 is offically over. -- SeizureDog 15:09, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Thunderbrand 21:22, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
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I dunno about you guys, but I really really really hate the retro genre. First of all I dont think its a real genre, and just refers to more of a pop culture view of the games. "Thats an old game, its considered retro!" I move that we strike it from computer and video game genres and all mentions on any game pages. It may be valid as a descriptor, but not as a genre. As a game like Pac-man is much different than say Battlezone and is also much different than say a game like Qix. Sometiems the argument is made in terms of simplicity, but I find many of todays arcade games to be more simplistic than games were back in 1982. -- larsinio (poke) (prod) 18:09, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure what to do with tese two articles, and which one to merge to, or keep them seperate. I'd say merge to TurboGrafx 16, but doesnt that make it very American-oriented? But if it stays split then were setting a precedent by having seperate Famicom/Super Famicom articles. -- larsinio (poke) (prod) 13:43, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
These categories are redudant IMO. What do you guys think? -- larsinio (poke) (prod) 20:34, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Why oh why?! --16:16, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
From this page i found this list. We should aim to cover all these games with decent articles. -- larsinio [[User talk:larsinio|
(poke)]]
(prod) 21:45, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
First game played on a computer:
Noughts and Crosses (Tic Tac Toe), A.S. Douglas, 1952
First action-based ("arcade style") computer video game:
Tennis for Two, 1958
First space-themed, genre-defining computer game -
Spacewar!, 1962
First video game played on a television screen -
Fox and Hounds, 1966
First video game to accept coins -
Galaxy Game, Computer Recreations, Inc, 1971
First video game in arcades -
Computer Space, Nutting Associates, 1971
First team sports game (also first sports sim) -
Baseball, 1971
First successful arcade video game -
PONG, Atari, 1972
First adventure games -
Adventure and
Hunt the Wumpus, 1975
First RPG --
pedit5 on
PLATO System and
Dungeon on
PDP-10, 1974-75
First home video game console - Odyssey, Magnavox, 1972
First coin-op racing game with steering wheel and gearshift -
Gran Trak 10, Atari, 1974
First cocktail table arcade game -
Quadra Pong, Atari, 1974
First arcade videogame with a microprocessor -
Gun Fight, 1975
First controversial arcade game -
Death Race, Exidy, 1976 (See also Space Invaders [1978], Custer's Revenge [1983], Chiller [1986], and Mortal Kombat [1992].)
First "brick-breaking" ball-and-bat game:
Breakout, Atari, 1976
First arcade game based on a computer game:
Space Wars, 1977 (Also the first vector graphics arcade game.)
First vertical shoot-em-up:
Space Invaders, Taito, 1978
First coin-op trackball game/video sports game/scrolling playfield:
Atari Football, Atari, 1978
First "cockpit" game:
Star Fire, Exidy, 1978
First game to track high scores with initials:
Star Fire, Exidy, 1978
First head-to-head fighting game:
Warrior, Cinematronics, 1978
First coin-op game in true RGB color:
Galaxian, 1979
First pseudo-graphical dungeon game:
Rogue, 1980 on
PLATO System and
Dungeon on
PDP-10, 1975
First 1st-person flying sim:
Red Baron (arcade game), Atari, 1980 (See also Tailgunner [1979])
First game with a "bonus round":
Carnival (game), Gremlin/Sega, 1980
First home game system with selectable starting level of difficulty:
Intellivision console,
Mattel, 1980
First game with a character/first to be very popular with female players:
Pac-Man, Namco, 1980
First game with pseudo-3D first-person environment:
Battlezone, Atari, 1980
First game with secondary weapon and fully realized "game universe" stretching beyond the screen:
Defender, Williams, 1980
First game with "different levels" and "boss enemy":
Ozma Wars, 1979 (see also Astro Fighter, Phoenix [1980] and GORF, Scramble [1981])
First coin-op game with a female programmer:
Astro Blaster, 1981
First home game with a female programmer: Intellivision
Pinball, 1982, and
Shark Shark 1982
First color vector game:
Space Duel, 1980;
Space Fury was 1981
First coin-op game with speech synthesis:
Stratovox, 1981
First coin-op game with selectable starting level of difficulty:
Tempest, Atari, 1981
First
sim game or
god game -
Utopia, Intellivision, 1981
First laserdisc game -
Astron Belt], Sony, 1982
First coin-op game with non-monophonic sound:
Sinistar (cockpit version), Williams, 1983
First game with true three-dimensional filled polygons -
I-Robot, Atari, 1983
First coin-op game with selectable camera angles -
I-Robot, Atari, 1983
First home game with selectable camera angles -
Intellivision World Series Baseball, 1983
First coin-op driving game to add shooting and other features:
Spy Hunter, 1983
First home driving game to add shooting and user-defined tracks:
Racing Destruction Set, 1983
First coin-op game with a stereo music soundtrack and an ending:
Marble Madness, Atari, 1984
First MMO Game on a Commercial Service -
Islands of Kesmai, 1984
First MMO Game with graphics -
Air Warrior, 1987
First MMORPG with graphics -
Neverwinter Nights, AOL, 1991
Can we get some consensus on which ( if any ) review scores to include in articles? There seems to be a tendency for people to continually add review scores from various magazines & websites to articles, leading to a messy list with no real purpose. I'd personally like to see just the MetaCritic average score followed by a link to the metacritic site, which has already compiled a comprehensive list of all review scores a game has received. If people want more review scores to be detailed in the main article, then I'd suggest limiting it to the largest ( circulated ) magazines & websites ( ie. GameInformer, Gamespot, IGN ). Any thoughts? TheExtruder 11:22, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Music articles (for example FA Smile (Brian Wilson album)) include numerical reviews. Some movies like The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (film) include the IMDB score. Personally, I think that picking random reviews and including the score in articles is too subjective and NPOV. However, I do think that perhaps we could include the Gamerankings score (for example Oblivion) in aricles. Metacritic could also be an option. Consistency should be very important here. jaco plane 04:49, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
So, do we have any consensus on this issue? We should conclude this discussion and add something to the Wikiproject guidelines. jaco plane 13:23, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
I'm not strongly opposed to a summary of review scores being included (I've added a few myself), but I can see that the subjectivity of the choice of publications to be featured could result in disputes. Perhaps the best thing to do would be to simply link to the relevant Gamerankings/Metacritic pages, and for anything else that's notable, quotations are much more appropriate than scores, as they allow particularly praised or criticised aspects of games to be discussed. They can also be be incorporated into the text more smoothly than scores, which inevitably end up as simple lists. So users should be encouraged to add concise quotations where possible. -- Nick R Talk 00:36, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
I like Nick R's suggestion. I also really don't care so long as there isn't any obvious POV-pushing here. You can use statistics, quotes, or whatever to prove just about anything so the solution here is to have a wide array of sources, stats, and quotes from both sides of the aisle. Compilation sites such as GameRankings, Metacritic, and Rotten Tomatoes probably work best here. Related to this, I must admit I really dislike sections entitled "Criticsims" or something to that effect. I would suggest that we should avoid this at all costs. Better to have a section titled "Reception" or "Critical reaction" that not only points out the critcisms, but also the praises. Unfortunately, it's so much easier to point out the bad. K1Bond007 03:18, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Recently this link [1] was presented as evidence as the XBox selling 24 million units but I have become suspicious. I think they are just rounding up the GmaeCube's and XBox's sales data and presenting Sony's 100 million shipped as sold. Does anyone else have any link to support that data? Jedi6 -(need help?) 19:41, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
By Category Year' (Done/In Progress)
1970s -
1980 - 1981 - 1982 - 1983 - 1984 - 1985 - 1986 - 1987 - 1988 - 1989 - 1990 - 1991 - 1992 - 1993 - 1994 - 1995 - 1996 - 1997 - 1998 - 1999 - 2000 - 2001 - 2002 - 2003 - 2004 - 2005 - 2006 - 2007 -
2008
Alphebetically (through
WP:AWB) (Done)
A - B - C - D - E - F - G - H - I - J - K - L - M - O - N - P - Q - R - S - T - U - V - W - X - Y - Z
How come I can't find any mention of the {{cvgproj}} template that you can place on a game article's talk page? That should be prominently mentioned on the project page so people know to do that. I also can't find a guideline for what categories each new game article should go into. Aguerriero 23:23, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
I split up the "Content" part of the article into "Common elements" and "Scope of information". I wrote the Common elements to give people a short list of what should be included in every article. Please review. I am going to do some more work on the whole "Computer and video games article guidelines" heading to make it better organized. Aguerriero 17:42, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Well, lets consider for a momment. Looking at the text the template depicts, it gives the impression that the project is contributing immense amounts of attention to the target article. I think it a tad naughty to place it on every page encountered unless the project and a substansial amount are editting.
This occured recently when I went slightly mad (Gadzooks!) and overhalled the entire Samurai Shodown character articles, expanding and creating brand new articles. I did this almost alone, save for some lovely help from anon editors. When I spied my watchlist one day, I noticed the template inserted on the talkpage of one of the character articles. That is misleading. I inquired for assistance on both of these projects [2] [3] on this talkpage and not one soul responded. Needless to draw conclusion, I had to research and complete all these myself.
I think it plausible to make only descriminate additions of the template to articles the project is curently calloborating on. It makes it falsely depict attention is being given, and its not. - Zero Talk 17:49, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
I'm working on '89, but it's huge, so I've only got A-C done now. Chris M. 06:16, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
Okay, here's one way to do it with
WP:AWB... 1) Go
here, enter the desired category
here. 2) Follow the instructions to paste the URL into the "make list from text file" dialog, in AWB. 3) Enable Find and replace in AWB, with the pattern Find="^" and Replacewith="{{cvgproj}}\r\n". Also click on "are regular expressions" in that dialog. 4) Enable "skip if contains", and enter in the box: "{{cvgproj}}". Then click start. A lot of them are already filled in, so it's still a bit of time between hitting "Save", but at least it should be faster than doing it completely manually. --
Interiot 14:32, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
Okay. I've finished up to the J section in Category:1999 computer and video games, but there's a question I feel the need to bring up. Should we add the template if the talk page already contains a template for one of its daughter projects? If it already says it's a member of (for example} the Final Fantasy WikiProject, we don't need to add this, do we? -- Optichan 22:01, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
UPDATE: Interiot has pointed out to me that the new version of AWB works great for this exact task, so I would suggest using that instead of doing this manually \o/ ! jaco plane 10:00, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
For what it's worth, as of v2.3.0.0 of AWB, we're able to use AWB to tag about 5 pages a minute. With ~3750 pages left to tag, that's only 12.5 hours of work left.
The procedure is:
The toolserver list does its best to include all articles we need, and to ignore all pages that have child-project tags on them already ({{ FinalFantasyProject}}, {{ PCP-drive}}, {{ NWSeriesProject}}, {{ MortalKombatProject}}). I'd be happy to discuss how the toolserver list works, or tweak it if need be. But basically, at this point, there really shouldn't need to be much human oversight... you should be able to more or less click "Save" blindly, if you trust the toolserver list to be working properly. -- Interiot 10:13, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
I had recently created Ozma Wars, and as I normalyl do, uploaded some screenshots. Due to the page not being that long I put the screenshots in a gallery with descriptions. User:Carnildo removed that gallery citing
"See Wikipedia:Fair use#Policy, point #8. Images in galleries do not illustrate points made in the text of the article.)" He apparently has something against galleries specifically. I checked the policy and it does'nt specifically mention image galleries. The material clearly repreents items that I had talked about in the article, as any user who actually read the article can see. I reverted his change with discussion, and then he reverted back. I have since added some more context on the page, such that the third image is specifically mentioned in the text for contextual purposes. I also wrote on his user page explaining:
Has anyone else experienced removal odf screenshot galleries? Is this valid? Is this compliuance under fair use images? Arent screenshots of video games almost automatically valid by context, as they picture the gameplay? Do we really need to go above and beyond to prove their fair use? Please comment -- larsinio (poke) (prod) 20:24, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
The ESRB rating is beneficial to the infobox. Not only does it allow for someone skimming through the article to get the rating info at a glance (rather than having to sift through text), but it also takes up a very, VERY small amount of space. There is no reason whatsoever that a policy should exist whereby the ESRB rating image deserves to be removed. To put it simply, it serves a purpose and it's not bogging down the page. Daniel Davis 18:37, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Doom127 has just informed me on my talk page that he is being harassed about this conflict through AIM and Yahoo, which is why he chose to left. I call upon everyone to stop this; it's turned what could have been a civil discussion into a situation that has driven a contributor away from the site. Please, don't give Wikipedia or Wikipedians a bad name. Pagra shtak 22:30, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Personally, I don't think we need them nor do I think we should use them. My understanding of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines concerning images gives me the impression that we couldn't use them regardless of whether we were in agreement one way or another. "The material must contribute significantly to the article (e.g. identify the subject of an article, or specifically illustrate relevant points or sections within the text) and must not serve a purely decorative purpose." - I would say this is decorative. K1Bond007 22:53, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
The ESRB does NOT consider the use of their images "Fair Use" in regards to the rating of a game. The logic as I understand it is: If you were to write an article about the ESRB you may use their rating images. The specific phrase of the law to pay attention to is "for purposes such as criticism, comment,...or research, is not an infringement of copyright." You are commenting on the ESRB itself. However in article on a specific game that is not commenting on the ESRB the ESRB images are protected under copyright. In this case since the commentary is about the game and not about the ESRB images are and may not be used without permission. The ESRB has a procedure in place to get permission and I would believe they would grant Wikipedia permission to use the images. Until someone goes and gets permission I think the argument is moot. -- Flipkin 15:43, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
OK, I'm not completely familiar with the fair use rules but, forget them for a moment. Look at an article's infobox with the little ESRB rating symbol in it...can you actually read it? I feel they just aren't practical. If it says for example: ESRB: K-A or ESRB: Kids to Adults that should be enough information for someone to understand what the product is rated. If they don't understand, they can click on the ESRB part. Chipmunk01 16:39, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
User:Someguy0830 has changed the CVG infobox, along with some others. According to the userpage, it's something that he just does from time to time. Do we like it? I personally prefer the old one, I find the contrasting colours makes it easy to read, now there's way too much blue. - Hahnch e n 11:32, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
There is a new debate in
Template talk:Infobox VG#Records? about the speedrun/highscore parameters in the template.
Dread Lord CyberSkull
✎☠ 03:36, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
Hey all, I created the game development tool article. Read & edit to your pleasure. :-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 19:56, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Ugh. Is it me or did these people die from dehydration/lack of sleep/stupidity? This article seems totally POV to me. jaco plane 13:21, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
On the same note, this got created today, and should probably be treated in a similar manner: Kim Kyung-Jae. -- Naha| (talk) 04:02, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Has this been discussed? Is there a policy? -- Flipkin 18:24, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
Are you sure? The example I was told was: The New York times takes a photograph of Mick Jagger. Mick's image and likeness are his copyright. However the NYT can use the images under fair use. The specific phrase to pay attention to is "for purposes such as criticism, comment,...or research, is not an infringement of copyright." However my understanding is that the Washington Post cannot use the NYT photo without express permission. While the image is copyright of Mick Jagger the photos are copyright New York Times. The NYT can use the images under certain restrictions under fair use. However fair use does not grant other outlets the right to use the New York Time images. Unless of course they are commenting on the NYT. I am not a laywer, but this is how it was explained to me. -- Flipkin 03:13, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
I don't know. In the game industry press the ability to take a well framed screenshot is considered valuable. I would also say that the websites some of these screen shots are coming from GameSpot, IGN, Gamespy, GameDaily very much earn from the screenshots ( and other things ). A good write up on copyright 10 Big Myths about copyright explained -- Flipkin 14:54, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
Category:PC games is filled mostly with articles that can go into it's subcategories. Most of the articles should be moved to Category:Windows games, but I am not that familiar with the Windows gaming scene to do the moves. Even though when we say PC we mostly mean Windows, it would be better to say what OS the game uses, especially for older ones where there can be a great amount of confusion. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 05:03, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
The list is down to under 100. I'm gonna go back to stub sorting for now since all that is left basically is the "PC booter" games. Thunderbrand 01:41, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
In recent discussions about some Warcraft III mods, it has been mentioned that there is some kind of "bar of notability". One assumes that people would know whether the mod rises above the bar or not. Apparently, some editors feel every mod is non-notable, while other feel every mod is notable.
I thought, why don't we start with some criteria so that people canhave criteria to measure against? If there's a system, then we can base AfD arguments on that instead of just being forced to debate each one extensively. Some criteria that come to mind that make a mod notable:
Does that sound like a few good ones to start? -- Habap 18:28, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Since I've been writing several articles on game development tools, I thought it'd be handy to have a template to link them all, much like the game development footer template we created a while back. But I have some misgivings about it and want to throw them up here at the project:
The Game development tools series | |||||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Game design | Programming | Art | Level design | ||||
Wiki Word processor |
API IDE Library SCM SDK |
3D modeler Photoshop Importer Exporter |
Level editor | ||||
Game development |
Any input would be greatly appreciated. :-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 19:09, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
I've decided to not go ahead with it. Most of that stuff is general purpose and not specific to game development. They are used in game development, but not exclusively. Thanks for the feedback. By the way, I just create the 3D modeler article. Please visit and edit. :-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 17:15, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
I've noticed that many games have "Retro" listed as their genre in the infobox. This seems pretty silly to me. I changed it at Amidar but then I saw it's much more widespread than that. So I wanted some consensus here before making lots of changes- or maybe somebody with a bot could help out?
The designation "retro" only makes any sense because these articles were written 20 years after the game was published. The game seems retro now, but surely it wasn't designed in order to seem retro. Will World of Warcraft have genre "retro" in 2030? People will think of it as retro, but that's not the genre of the game. It will still be a fantasy MMPORG.
The genre "retro" should only be used (if at all) for games that were deliberately designed to be retro when they were published. There probably aren't many examples- maybe Maelstrom and other Ambrosia Software games that were written specifically to be throwbacks to classic games. A real example (though not very notable) is Peasant's Quest, which was designed to be retro. Staecker 11:55, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Just wanted to throw in that I do think that there's one instance where the term 'retro' can be used correctly in an article. While it's probably innapropriate (as per above) to call Robotron: 2084 a 'retro' game, I think it's probably safe to refer to its appearence in Midway Arcade Treasures as a 'retro' port, owing to that being the sense in which it was released. -- InShaneee 17:44, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
OK, I've just cleaned out all the retro genres in the 1980, 1981, 1982 categories. There's probably more though... Staecker 13:15, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
I've noticed a lot of video game screenshots (mainly when taken from emulators) are out of proportion, due to many consoles and computer video modes using non-square pixels. For example with NES and SNES games the standard resolution is 256x224, which is a pixel aspect ratio of 8:7, which is almost square. However, the actual aspect ratio of the video outputted by these consoles is 4:3 as the pixels are not outputted as square. Unfortunately a computer or anything that renders images on a webpage (assuming the display is set up correctly and the web page does not specify to resize the picture out of proportion) will render the pixels as square - making any of these screenshots look out of proportion, e.g Image:SuperMarioBrosNESTitle.png which is squashed horizontally.
I propose that in the future (and if possible with all current screenshots showing this issue) that the screenshots be resized to their intended aspect ratio, which is nearly always 4:3 for games using standard TV sets or monitors, 16:9 for games using widescreen displays, or 3:4 for arcade games with vertical monitors. There will be exceptions of course were proprietary monitor systems are used - the Vectrex for example seems to use a 9:11 display. -- Zilog Jones 15:55, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
I think we have a few inappropriately detailed portals, so please see Miscellany_for_deletion/Portal:RuneScape and Miscellany_for_deletion/Portal:StarCraft. Andre ( talk) 19:09, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
I would like to create a new article about the Superman Syndrome. From what I've read from the Starlancer site, I think it would be a good addition to the video games project. I was thinking something along the lines of the Stormtrooper_effect. Any suggestions on how to start (I'm still a relatively new member to wikipedia)-- Jonthecheet 05:53, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
Articles of discontinued systems are written in the past tense, while the articles of systems currently in production are written in the present tense. Why is it that the Sega Master System's controller "was considered extremely durable", yet the Nintendo Gamecube "uses a unique storage medium"? For purposes of consistency, all of the game console pages should be written in the same tense (preferably the present tense, since the Master System's controller is still considered durable). Scorpi0n 20:48, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
The article Resident Evil (series) had had a great deal of work put into it over the past few months. A peer review and a to-do list were submitted/made/archived, but have been deleted. Rather than submit it for another Peer Review, I'd just like to ask the people here what this article needs. Morgan695 01:17, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
From WP:CVG#Scope of information: Articles on computer and video games should give an encyclopedia overview of what the game is about, not a detailed description of how to play it. Such topics should be moved to Wikibooks computer and video games bookshelf.
Wikibooks is not a gaming wiki. It is a general wiki for instructional resources. The Wikibookians are concerned that computer and video game guides are overrepresented. Currently I am trying to secure a mechanism to move some or all such guides from Wikibooks to gaming wikis. I have noticed that b:Doom, for example, contains mostly rejected Wikipedia content, and not the good content in Category:Doom.
These gaming wikis all have MediaWiki server software and use the GNU FDL:
These are all, I think, better places for game guides than Wikibooks. -- Kernigh 04:33, 23 April 2006 (UTC) (same as Wikibooks:User:Kernigh)
It is only my personal concern. As Garrett says below, the situation on Wikibooks only changed recently. Before that, when Wikipedia was moving unwanted gaming content to Wikibooks, I think that it would have been better to move the content to a gaming wiki. -- Kernigh 01:04, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
This is recent, which is why you have only just heard about it. But anyway Jimmy hath spoken; videogame guides are now officially on death row. Read b:Wikibooks:Staff lounge#Wikibooks is not a depository for video game manuals for more on this.
However there's no need to worry about guides disappearing; the StrategyWiki team (including myself) have made preparations to import all suitable videogame guides. This is not going to be a half-hearted history cut-'n'-paste like transwiki bots do either, instead the authentic full edit histories will be imported directly from database dumps thanks to the excellent MWDumper.
When the time comes we will need all the help we can get updating the articles here. While the pages on Wikibooks will exist for a time as soft redirects, eliminating the wasted step is a top priority. Garrett Talk 11:56, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Do we need a new template to account for this policy change? Something along these lines perhaps:
-- Muchness 05:15, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Just thought I'd give you WoW folks a heads up - World of Warcraft terminology is up for AFD - noticed it because I work on the MMORPG terms and acronyms pages. -- Naha| (talk) 06:07, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
I've created a new subpage at Wikipedia:WikiProject Computer and video games/Version 1.0 articles for listing featured, good, and A- and B-Class articles. (page taken from WP Cricket - they seem to do everything on Wikipedia). We should list any good (as in A/B Class) articles here, regardless of their essentialness. I haven't added any non-featured articles yet though - add in any articles you think are A-Class or B-Class (see Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment). -- gakon5 01:51, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Do we list the Wii as Nintendo Wii or Wii? I think that Wii will be fine, especially for categories. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 22:05, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I forgot to post the CfR discussion link: Wikipedia:Categories for deletion#Nintendo Wii categories. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 23:55, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi this is Caleb09 how do I join a wikiproject specifically this one? Caleb09
Hello, I've noticed a lot of different representations of hardware specifications. I think perhaps some sort of template should be used rather than various differing forms of presenting it. xAXISx 18:27, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
I've just spotted this article from a Whatlinkshere to Sin Episodes. I literally have no idea what it's about. It seems to be a merging of episodic delivery with Majestic style "beyond gaming" principles. The phrase "episodic metagames" hardly gives any Google hits. I think it looks like a neologism by the people behind Imperial Wars. Could someone look this think over? - Hahnch e n 00:44, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
I have created a new barnstar for those of us who tirelessly contribute to the whole wealth of Konami articles, from Gradius to Castlevania, to Parodius, to Contra, to Gunbare Goemon and even for you DDR folks. -- larsinio (poke) (prod) 16:27, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
We just noticed that the Structures of the GLA page is up for deletion. We do not know if anyone here cares, but we would like for the page to stay. Is there anything we can do to save it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.65.246.117 ( talk • contribs) 07:50, 9 May 2006.
Up for deletion. Concenus provided is "its a game guide". -
Zero
Talk 19:03, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Since E3 is starting to kick off, there is likely to be a ton of new information coming out in the next few days. It would be nice if people could help out by updating the current events page. jaco♫ plane 21:58, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Ok, E³ is here! Tag all articles that will probably be updated with {{ e3}}. Normally such articles could just be tagged with {{ current game}}. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 10:30, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
I've taken down the remaining e3 tags. There are no current events listed as of this post. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 00:04, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Currently there is an argument over whether we should split the Worms series article into individual articles, or keep them as one main article [4]. I've mentioned this here to see if we can get some more community consensus over what to do.-- ☆ TBC ☆ 15:41, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
What was once http://www.the-underdogs.org is now defunt and points to generic advertizing rubbish, while the original site now resides at http://www.the-underdogs.info (thanks to jaco for bringing the new address to my attention). Now some computer game pages such as Robot Odyssey have a link to what was once the game's entry in the old URL - is there a way to change all of them in one stroke? Eldar 22:22, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Alright, I definitely think you should claim/mark the Gran Turismo (video game) article for this project. In my opinion, however, you should forget about and remove from your project the version-specific entries ( Gran Turismo (video game) tries to at least overview them all). The version-specific entries tend, even more than most articles, to be besotted with foolish prattle, and the mere number of the articles makes it difficult to decide how they should be tidied, let alone tidy them all up.-- SportWagon 22:47, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
I noticed the screenshot galleries on video game consoles have been disappearing. Why is this? This definatley should nto be, and i think every screenshot can be validated as fair use from the context of the article. It is not decorative. Ive restored them on Xbox Xbox 360 and PlayStation 2-- larsinio (poke) (prod) 17:03, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Generally a gallery of screenshots images will not be fair use. An image may be fair use when it is the subject of the article, and discussed in the text. To give a comparison, a poem my be quoted in an article when it is being analysed, but an article about a poet may not include a selection of his poems at the end. ed g2s • talk 22:54, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
? Also I agree with Mega man Zero in that this is "grey matter" territory. Why dont you give peopel ac chance to valdiate the use of images before you strip them and they get orphoned and deleted by OrphanBot. -- larsinio (poke) (prod) 16:27, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
ed g2s: my problem is that the screenshots shown for each console page tend to represent the best and most representive games of that console. To me, that is most certainly significant. Showing screens of several games, to remind readers just what made the console special and unique at its time, and what drove the machine's popularity and its creative highlights, is a very important point. Perhaps the screenshot galleries could simply be renamed to tell that this is their significance? To me, this is definitely a worthy concern. And I'm sure it is shared by others working hard on these Wiki entries. -- Swaaye 17:25, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
is already quite clear on the matter. ed g2s • talk 16:26, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Please give your comments on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Computer_and_video_games the topic of screenshot galleries on video game consoles. Thunderbrand has indicated that you have been removing them from articles. Please state your reasoning. -- larsinio (poke) (prod)
I am really geeked about this because it gives great exposure to video game articles in general, and to our project. Kudos to everyone who worked to make this a great article. Aguerriero ( ţ) ( ć) ( ë) 12:57, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
From the discussion occuring on Talk:Assault Plus....
There appears to be some disagreement over including export information with this game. I'm strongly in favor it it being there - if at least because more information generally makes an article stronger. It's also very notable in that it explains the rarity of the game outside of Japan. Now, if you disagree, let's talk with some reasoned arguments rather than go revert happy. - Mr.Logic 16:11, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
THe user who added it, Gingerfield Rocks has had a long history of making immaterial, edits that wind up being reverted, which he applies to 30 articles simultaneously. I will await your response before I revert it. If needed I will get more people involved on this discussion-- larsinio (poke) (prod) 16:30, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
He posted this in my talk page:
IMO, gingerfield has failed to explain at all why a standard copyright notice shoudl be included. -- larsinio (poke) (prod) 13:20, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
What is the preferred pic for the image in the infoboxes? It says on the guideline in the wikiproject for the cover. I've seen many articles that previous had covers now have been replaced with screenshots instead.
Here are some of them:
-- Dangerous-Boy 07:35, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
This has been bugging me for a while: could someone who has the Wind Waker take a better screenshot of Hyrule Castle? jaco♫ plane 08:18, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
On new pages patrol, I noticed that User:Cs california has created a large number of Red Alert 2 related articles, such as Red Alert 2 Soviet Vehicles. I do not know the CVG notability criteria, but I presume most of these should be merged or deleted. Oldelpaso 08:29, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Why does this project no longer have its own cleanup tag? It’s an extremely specialized area of knowledge, and non-gamers are liable to delete or AfD articles they don’t consider relevant or notable if the regular {{ cleanup}} tag is used. -- WikidSmaht ( talk) 10:05, May 13, 2006 (UTC)
Everyone please start removing the {{e3}} tags from articles as E3 is offically over. -- SeizureDog 15:09, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Thunderbrand 21:22, 14 May 2006 (UTC)