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Just a thought, that all of the settlements within these areas will need updating to show the new details both in the infobox & text. Presumably we should also retain the existing details as part of the history section of the place. Keith D ( talk) 18:19, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
As originaly discussed on the UKGEO talk page, which articles should have the template on their talk pages? Obviously all districts should, but what about towns and even villages? P.S. tagging the villages would be a lovely job for AWB :P Jolly Ω Janner 16:06, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
I thought it would be a good idea to have a navbox, so I made a very basic starting point in my sandbox. Jolly Ω Janner 18:08, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
This is the kind of navbox we should use, although it needs a bit of fine tuning. Jolly Ω Janner 23:37, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
(<-) Much better. That alleviates my concerns about sprawl/size. Looks good. -- Jza84 | Talk 13:21, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi guys. As we will be switching to the Template:Infobox historic subdivision we can incoporate population changes over time through the PopulationFirst PopulationSecond and PopulationLast parameters. Likewise the area figures,
For PopulationFirst and AreaFirst these were the Registrar General's annual estimated population figures for mid 1973, and areas in 1974 from Local government in England and Wales: A Guide to the New System. London: HMSO. 1974. ISBN 0117508470.
Lozleader ( talk) 21:43, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
Could you please tell me when you last "accessed" the source. I would like to add the retrieval dates to my inline citations. Jolly Ω Janner 19:20, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
I've just placed a notification and an invitation on the talk pages of all the projects and county articles mentioned on the main taskforce page. I included the individual county pages, as I thought it would help get to people who may be active but mot members of the project. The message (with suitable subject title) is given below:
- On 1 April, 2009, a number of changes will occur that will affect a number of counties and districts in England, including some which fall within the remit of your project and/or county.
- The changes will necessitate a large number of changes to various articles on wikipedia.
- New articles may have to be written, old ones may have to be changed because they will then describe abolished former districts, etc, and numerous changes will have to be made to templates, category names, and articles about individual settlements to update information about local government.
- Because of this the Uk Geography Project has set up a specific taskforce to identify the changes to be made and then to coordinate the work of preparing for the changes and then implementing them when the changes occur on 1 April.
- The name of the taskforce is Wikipedia:WikiProject UK geography/2009 local government structural changes task force or WP:2009ENGLAND.
- You are invited to join this taskforce to help us all improve wikipedia in these areas by making sure the information is kept updated, and accurate.
Many thanks. DDStretch (talk) 22:06, 15 January 2009 (UTC) (on behalf of the taskforce)
I hope that is all right as a first wave of notification. DDStretch (talk) 22:06, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
Just to highlight the Shropshire Council wiki article which I have created. This is for the authority itself, not the area covered by it (which is satisfactorily covered by the main Shropshire article). The page is therefore similar to Isle of Wight Council for example. David ( talk) 13:50, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
As nobody seems to be taking on Bedfordshire, I've made a start with South Bedfordshire, at this userpage. The coat of arms and logo images are missing as I can't justify uploading them under fair use criteria for a mere userpage, but they are to appear when it becomes South Bedfordshire at 00:00:01 on 1 April! Also the categories at the bottom look weird because they are not live yet: we don't want userpages appearing in category lists.
I took out the "local attractions" which presumably will be listed at Central Bedfordshire and limited it to historical information, which I expanded.
I would welcome any suggestions or improvements: when it is up to scratch I will use it as a model for Mid Bedfordshire.
Incidentally, Template:East_of_England will also need editting to reflect the Beds changes.
Lozleader ( talk) 17:43, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Just to say peeps, I will be from (12 midnight tonight) start changing articles related to Bedfordshire Bleaney ( talk) 19:50, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks Lozleader, will do, and thankyou for your excellent work! Bleaney ( talk) 21:38, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm gonna open up tabs on my browser, make the edits, and then press ctrl+s on all the tabs at exactly 00:00! Jolly Ω Janner 20:31, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Would it make sense to upload the 2009 locator maps as new versions of the old maps, rather than changing articles to point to the 2009 versions? -- ascorbic ( talk) 17:33, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
I do not have Auto-Wiki Browsrer installed on my laptop and I would like to add Template:Local government districts of England abolished in 2009 to all the articles listed in Category:English districts abolished in 2009 and Category:English unitary authorities created in 2009. Can somebody else please do this? Jolly Ω Janner 15:53, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
I am keen to help wrap up the work that is needed to be done here. I have done a lot of intensive work over the past few months on many articles, particularly updating infoboxes. Is there actually anything left to do with this project? And if not, should we close it down? Bleaney ( talk) 00:21, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
I left this message at Talk:2009 structural changes to local government in England
Now that a decision has been made in relation to Norfolk and Devon should we move the bulk of text under the "Further changes" heading to a new article ( 2011 structural changes to local government in England?) The Suffolk changes, when they are agreed, will presumably be in 2012 or later?
Lozleader ( talk) 13:50, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
We have a problem that an enormous number of civil parishes and other local jurisdictions have "changed hands" between larger jurisdictions that came, mutated, and went, sometimes more than once, and with some of the larger ones taking on highly confusing names (e.g. same as or nearly same as traditional counties but with divergent boundaries), plus the fact that many of the earlier jurisdictions actually still exist for specific purposes (registration counties, lieutenancy areas, etc.). A lot of the articles are covering this fairly well, but the more minor the place the less likely this is to be true, and very few of them provide maps that demonstrate boundary changes over time, which is apt to be vital information for a large class of readers of these articles, especially genealogists working mostly with pre-1975 records. This set of issues especially strongly affects Scottish toponymy, but I've run into pretty confusing messes with regard to England, too.
Maybe even just expand the scope of the extant taskforce to "Local government structural changes task force" without a date on it? Esp. since (see thread above) there have been further changes in 2011, and we can expect additional ones in the future. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 15:15, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
This page is currently inactive and is retained for
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This is the talk page for Wikipedia:WikiProject UK geography/2009 local government structural changes task force
Just a thought, that all of the settlements within these areas will need updating to show the new details both in the infobox & text. Presumably we should also retain the existing details as part of the history section of the place. Keith D ( talk) 18:19, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
As originaly discussed on the UKGEO talk page, which articles should have the template on their talk pages? Obviously all districts should, but what about towns and even villages? P.S. tagging the villages would be a lovely job for AWB :P Jolly Ω Janner 16:06, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
I thought it would be a good idea to have a navbox, so I made a very basic starting point in my sandbox. Jolly Ω Janner 18:08, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
This is the kind of navbox we should use, although it needs a bit of fine tuning. Jolly Ω Janner 23:37, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
(<-) Much better. That alleviates my concerns about sprawl/size. Looks good. -- Jza84 | Talk 13:21, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi guys. As we will be switching to the Template:Infobox historic subdivision we can incoporate population changes over time through the PopulationFirst PopulationSecond and PopulationLast parameters. Likewise the area figures,
For PopulationFirst and AreaFirst these were the Registrar General's annual estimated population figures for mid 1973, and areas in 1974 from Local government in England and Wales: A Guide to the New System. London: HMSO. 1974. ISBN 0117508470.
Lozleader ( talk) 21:43, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
Could you please tell me when you last "accessed" the source. I would like to add the retrieval dates to my inline citations. Jolly Ω Janner 19:20, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
I've just placed a notification and an invitation on the talk pages of all the projects and county articles mentioned on the main taskforce page. I included the individual county pages, as I thought it would help get to people who may be active but mot members of the project. The message (with suitable subject title) is given below:
- On 1 April, 2009, a number of changes will occur that will affect a number of counties and districts in England, including some which fall within the remit of your project and/or county.
- The changes will necessitate a large number of changes to various articles on wikipedia.
- New articles may have to be written, old ones may have to be changed because they will then describe abolished former districts, etc, and numerous changes will have to be made to templates, category names, and articles about individual settlements to update information about local government.
- Because of this the Uk Geography Project has set up a specific taskforce to identify the changes to be made and then to coordinate the work of preparing for the changes and then implementing them when the changes occur on 1 April.
- The name of the taskforce is Wikipedia:WikiProject UK geography/2009 local government structural changes task force or WP:2009ENGLAND.
- You are invited to join this taskforce to help us all improve wikipedia in these areas by making sure the information is kept updated, and accurate.
Many thanks. DDStretch (talk) 22:06, 15 January 2009 (UTC) (on behalf of the taskforce)
I hope that is all right as a first wave of notification. DDStretch (talk) 22:06, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
Just to highlight the Shropshire Council wiki article which I have created. This is for the authority itself, not the area covered by it (which is satisfactorily covered by the main Shropshire article). The page is therefore similar to Isle of Wight Council for example. David ( talk) 13:50, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
As nobody seems to be taking on Bedfordshire, I've made a start with South Bedfordshire, at this userpage. The coat of arms and logo images are missing as I can't justify uploading them under fair use criteria for a mere userpage, but they are to appear when it becomes South Bedfordshire at 00:00:01 on 1 April! Also the categories at the bottom look weird because they are not live yet: we don't want userpages appearing in category lists.
I took out the "local attractions" which presumably will be listed at Central Bedfordshire and limited it to historical information, which I expanded.
I would welcome any suggestions or improvements: when it is up to scratch I will use it as a model for Mid Bedfordshire.
Incidentally, Template:East_of_England will also need editting to reflect the Beds changes.
Lozleader ( talk) 17:43, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Just to say peeps, I will be from (12 midnight tonight) start changing articles related to Bedfordshire Bleaney ( talk) 19:50, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks Lozleader, will do, and thankyou for your excellent work! Bleaney ( talk) 21:38, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm gonna open up tabs on my browser, make the edits, and then press ctrl+s on all the tabs at exactly 00:00! Jolly Ω Janner 20:31, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Would it make sense to upload the 2009 locator maps as new versions of the old maps, rather than changing articles to point to the 2009 versions? -- ascorbic ( talk) 17:33, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
I do not have Auto-Wiki Browsrer installed on my laptop and I would like to add Template:Local government districts of England abolished in 2009 to all the articles listed in Category:English districts abolished in 2009 and Category:English unitary authorities created in 2009. Can somebody else please do this? Jolly Ω Janner 15:53, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
I am keen to help wrap up the work that is needed to be done here. I have done a lot of intensive work over the past few months on many articles, particularly updating infoboxes. Is there actually anything left to do with this project? And if not, should we close it down? Bleaney ( talk) 00:21, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
I left this message at Talk:2009 structural changes to local government in England
Now that a decision has been made in relation to Norfolk and Devon should we move the bulk of text under the "Further changes" heading to a new article ( 2011 structural changes to local government in England?) The Suffolk changes, when they are agreed, will presumably be in 2012 or later?
Lozleader ( talk) 13:50, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
We have a problem that an enormous number of civil parishes and other local jurisdictions have "changed hands" between larger jurisdictions that came, mutated, and went, sometimes more than once, and with some of the larger ones taking on highly confusing names (e.g. same as or nearly same as traditional counties but with divergent boundaries), plus the fact that many of the earlier jurisdictions actually still exist for specific purposes (registration counties, lieutenancy areas, etc.). A lot of the articles are covering this fairly well, but the more minor the place the less likely this is to be true, and very few of them provide maps that demonstrate boundary changes over time, which is apt to be vital information for a large class of readers of these articles, especially genealogists working mostly with pre-1975 records. This set of issues especially strongly affects Scottish toponymy, but I've run into pretty confusing messes with regard to England, too.
Maybe even just expand the scope of the extant taskforce to "Local government structural changes task force" without a date on it? Esp. since (see thread above) there have been further changes in 2011, and we can expect additional ones in the future. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 15:15, 4 June 2024 (UTC)