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Do you think its is time to do articles for EVERY storm in the EPAC. 2006 has a bunch now and 2007 has several.
2 things: A article for Norbert is coming. A article for Five-E is coming.
Also, I have several request on the Article request
Leave Message or Yellow Evan home 13:54, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Erick is a good example. Jiliancolton you did a good job there. Bud is the only bad one. Dilia is OK. I am surprised that none has done an article for Nora. Leave Message or Yellow Evan home 14:55, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Does this mean we merge Bud?-- Leave Message or Yellow Evan home 16:41, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
I want to merge Lowell because no one is letting me expand it. Bud is the worst article I ever seen. Leave Message or Yellow Evan home 18:55, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
I want to merge Lowell because no one is letting me expand it. Bud is the worst article I ever seen. Leave Message or Yellow Evan home 18:55, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
** Since 2005, this has basically been de facto policy
** The previous two would basically also cover any retired storm, but in case they don't, I included this one
** The exclusion of remnants is intended to make it clear that this suggestion does not mean it's necessary to have an article on, say, 2001's Manuel
An off- season storm or a storm that reaches a unusual latitude or longitude. Example Hurricane Fausto (2002) and Tropical Storm Wene (2000).
These should be the Guidlines.
Leave Message or
Yellow Evan home
19:44, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
All the impact I try keeps on getting dealted. They say it for Ike not Lowell. I say its for all these.
Iowa flood of 2008
Tropical Strom Lowell (2008)
Hurricane Ike
2008 Midwest floods
This would require many new pages.
This should be first on the list for new articles:
Leave Message or Yellow Evan home 20:13, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
I fixed spelling, please try to fix your mistakes. -- Rose09 Rashmi Next 20:15, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
That we should make the article policies clear. My suggestions are above. The list of storms are the other member of the Procet should make. i am taking care of this list.
Leave Message or Yellow Evan home 21:01, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
-- Rose09 Rashmi Next 21:08, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
-- Rose09 Rashmi Next 21:26, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Granted I'll be busy until about 1800 UTC on October 17, but I'll see what I can do about Tina. And possibly Tara as well, once I find good sources. Dy la n 6 20 Life story 01:05 UTC October 16, 2008
I'll quote Titoxd. We have to upgrade that scale to reflect project-only importance instead of Wikipedia-wide importance, because WP:v0.7 will be bot-selected. I agree with him. We need to think of importance as if we were only a weather encyclopedia, not just part of a larger, amazing encyclopedia. For example, all retired storms would either be high or top, with top being reserved for (soft-limit) the 100 most important hurricane topics we have. Someone on the WPTC IRC brought up a Very-low importance class. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk) 03:30, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Comparing importance across basin, across era, and across article type is incredibly complicated and is inevitably going to lead to contradictions and make people unhappy. If you consider JUST the 2007 season for a moment, one might make the distinction:
Even looking at this one season with this criteria - and ignoring meteorological notability - is surely going to start making people upset. The problem is we have so many articles on truly "low" importance storms now that any storm striking land has to be of higher importance than that, IMO; you can't lump a storm that killed 10 people in the same category with one that lasted for 6 hours and affected nobody. Yet that leaves only high and top classifications for truly damaging storms. Honestly there would be nothing wrong with a system like this, except that the distribution of articles would be far different than what we have now (and in the Atlantic there might be more medium than low-importance storm articles). When you compare to season articles (still considering only the Atlantic), it would mean even the least notable seasons would still be at the high end of medium, with at least half of season articles given high/top importance (2007 would probably be High I'd think, but close to Top). Look at sub-articles and Effects of Hurricane Dean in Mexico at Mid-importance is probably okay, though many effects articles would still be high-importance and basically none would ever be Low by definition. Get to other basins and the distribution for seasons is similar but most basins would have a lot more low-importance storms (which do not at present generally get articles). Almost all meteorology articles would end up being top-importance. The 2004 season would probably have 5 top-importance articles, with the 2005 season having at least 4. Again, if you consider this to be importance 'within the wikiproject, having a large number of top- and high-importance articles, while most potential low-importance articles remain unwritten (at least for now) could make sense.
— jdorje ( talk) 21:37, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Since there's already an existing discussion on this, I think we should bring this back up, since there's clearly some inconsistencies over it. Should the importance scale be evenly distributed over all storms (relatively even number of low, medium, and high), or should it be weighed and have a strict criteria for each level (leaving most storms as low, less as mid, and only a few as high)? ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk) 15:42, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Very low fishpinners below Cat 4 Low Fishipers of Cat. 4 or average Cat.5 (trudy an expaction) Storms that make that do not make landfall or storms that cause low impact Mid storms that cross the international dateline other 4 and 5's and killed sevral people High Record holder (example Ioke) Top cstphones This. Leave Message , Yellow Evan home , Sandbox Happy Veterans day 16:05, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
To be honest Hink weve got to do it on a basin by basin basis as if you say for example 20 storms is high then you will have every WPAC season at high or above Jason Rees ( talk) 23:00, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Anyone else opposed? If not (and before this gets archived), we should make the transition within the next week or so (to avoid any lasting damage). ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk) 05:52, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
I have an idea for the guidelines:
Type | Standard |
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Season Articles | 2 Months Before season starts |
Hurricanes dissipated and hits land | Only if major damage, deaths or retirement occurs. |
Hurricanes active and looks to hit land | Only if major damage, deaths or retirement is likely to occur. |
Hurricane is active and a major hurricane | Create if there are enough sources - at least 3. |
Hurricane was rare and is active | Do not publish yet |
Hurricane was rare and is dead | Only if the cyclone did something unusual, or broke a record and has more than 3 sources cited..... if not - do not publish yet |
Hurricane has good sources available and a good write up is very possible | Only if the article would be well-written, comprehensive, and well-sourced..... if not - do not publish yet |
Any of the above but seasons article's section is not well developed | As per Wikipedia:SPINOUT |
Was/IS a 'fishspinner' | Only if you can cite up to 4 sources... if not - needs to be at C or Start (depending on debate) class within 3 weeks of creation. |
Now with a few edits this could be good any suggestions... if not I would request a poll for it. Itfc+canes=me ( talk) 17:03, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Go back to the Guild lines I put.v These are more correct and better. Leave Message or Yellow Evan home 04:10, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Fishspinners can supotr articles. It is simple.
Then acrrording to the standers this is what we do.
Type | Standard |
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Bud | keep |
Erick | keep |
Boris | keep |
Leave Message or Yellow Evan home
I am strongly against any set it stone guidelines. If someone writes a really great article on a storm, but it gets put on AFD because it goes against some "guideline", then that is rediculous. I'm fine with general guidelines, but not "tropical storm lasting more than 72 hours but less than 144 that formed on a Tuesday in a leap year must be deleted" guidelines. - CWY2190( talk • contributions) 04:47, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Why cannot we do articles for EVERY storm. Whats wrong with that and what to hear nonsense.
Leave Message or
Yellow Evan home
14:51, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
try to write an EPAC fishspinner here. Leave Message or Yellow Evan home 16:10, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
This discussion has been difficult to follow per the significant typos/grammar/indentation issues with some of the responses, so I'll just give you all my opinion and what our project's history has been on this topic. This discussion appears to be a rehash of a discussion that occurred in the project back in 2005 and 2006 when people started writing articles on every storm in the Atlantic Basin. Some of the most active/productive members were initially opposed to this, particularly the fish storms (older slang for your fishspinner terminology) but once people produced decent articles on these systems, the discussion generally melted away. Personally, I think C class is too harsh...Start class is more appropriate at first if someone wants to create an article on a system. If you all want to fix the stub problem within the project, consider merging the content of the stub storm articles back into the season articles and replace them with redirects, as long as they were not important cyclones (i.e., retired for meteorological purposes.) If the stubs ARE the season articles, then expand them out. The season articles for all basins are begging for attention, for those looking for something to do. By the way, I don't think it's a good idea for have different criteria in the different basins...that could be interpreted as POV. Thegreatdr ( talk) 16:46, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
How long is it going to be until I actually create a storm article? First Fausto, and now Norbert, and Yellow Evan beat me to both. I'm very interested in tropical cyclones, don't get me wrong, but if I'm going to be beaten to every storm article I plan, I don't see what my purpose in this project is. Hurricanehink, an administrator, has complimented me on my writing. I'd probably be a great help to the project if someone would actually let me. Dy la n 6 20 Life story 18:58 UTC October 8, 2008
It is a real shame that Yellow Evan keeps creating awful messes (which I hesitate to call "articles"), especially when it is preventing talented writers like Dylan620 from creating them. Something has to be done. Plasticup T/ C 22:30, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
You know, I can't think of a single storm article I've created. Okay I don't know what that point is supposed to mean...but I don't think I'm useless :). Dylan, why don't you try to fix Hurricane Janet, that storm needs some love. — jdorje ( talk) 04:05, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, guys. Even though it's been redirected now, I created the Tropical Storm Odile (2008) article. Yellow Evan has given me some ideas for articles (Hurricane Jova (2005), Hurricane Boris (1996), Tropical Storm Andres (1997), and Hurricane Fausto (1996)), and I do accept the suggestions I have received from Jdorje, Jason Rees, RattleMan, Plasticup, and Titoxd. I have a plan: leave Rene in the Atlantic to me, once he pops up (which is likely, considering the 'P' storm is imminent when we're halfway through October). I'll try my best to pump out a decent article, at least B-class or GA-class (a suitable goal for a Wikipedian new as me). I also have a few disambiguation pages in stock; contact me on my talk page if you think my disambiguation page for tropical cyclones named Percy is ready. I'll use as much free time as I can to edit, and improve, any article I find needs improvement, and in any way I can. D y l a n 6 2 0 Life story 21:39 UTC October 14, 2008
Okay, since TD Sixteen is unlikely to become a tropical storm now, leave the next storm in the Atlantic (presumably Paloma) to me; since when did tropical depressions become named storms over land, especially over extremely mountainous countries like Honduras? Oh, and I still promise to try to make a decent (B-class or GA-class) article, no matter how notable or non-notable Paloma is (an exception, though, will be if Paloma is a powerful hurricane heading my way; I'll probably spend more time evacuating than contributing to the article). Lounge with Dylan620 today! 00:56 UTC October 16, 2008
Could someone delete the redirect for 1966 Pacific hurricane season? -- Rose09 Rashmi Next 21:03, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
I am starting sandboxes that will be published in April '09!
and
feel free to edit, But Someone better not move to mainspace until April, got it!
Sorry, just had to do that. -- Kirk76 1854 Atlantic Hurricane Season 00:46, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Jason Rees ( talk) 00:55, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Info would be needed December 9.
Leave Message or
Yellow Evan home
13:15, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Admins - please don't kill me for this... but lately the quality of articles written by editors has well... dropped. What I think the project needs is a User Review. It would be based on a 3 strike system. Every month we nominate someone to review all users edits that involve WPTC. If they are not so good... or they have been vandalizing ET AL... they get 1 strike.... each year it would be checked. After a year the strikes get (sorry for the pun) "struck" off. However if anyone does really bad work and is awful. They get 2 strikes - they would wear off after 2 years. Anyone agree? Comments? Itfc+canes=me Talk Contributions 17:39, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Support: 0 Oppose: 2 Neutral: 0 Comments: 2
Any ideas or agreeals? Itfc+canes=me Talk Contributions 17:39, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
No - This would discourage particpants & we have enough problems trying to keep up to date evreywhere outside the atlantic Jason Rees ( talk) 18:23, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
These articles need some serious editing/improvement to get to GA, especially Otis. I only had the heart to write the GA review for Otis, which was a difficult review, since so much improvement was needed. I did what I could to bring Max up to C class today. So much is needed to be improved within a week that I fear Otis won't reach GA. Max, on the other hand, has some promise. To all in the project, please review the GA criteria carefully before submitting articles for GA. Thank you. This has been a public service announcement. =) Thegreatdr ( talk) 23:22, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Why does every EPAC storm with an article get low importance? It happened with Ekeka, Alma, Boris, and Lowell. That is more rare than Tropical Storm Zeta. Alma was a crossover. Boris caused heavy rain well inland. Same with Lowell. kathleen really should be Top to someone that lives in that area. Leave Message or Yellow Evan home 15:38, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
what about Ekeka. Leave Message or Yellow Evan home 15:58, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
here are the guidelines
Low - storms not impacting land that aren't otherwise notable. Examples: Ingrid, Jerry, Karen, Melissa Medium - storms that had low impact that someone somewhere might care about. Maybe they even killed someone or did some damage. Examples: Andrea, Barry, Chantal, Erin (could be high), Gabrielle, Humberto, Lorenzo, Ten High - storms with a significant effect on land, doing significant damage or killing a reasonable number of people. Examples: Noel, Olga (could be medium) Top - storms doing catastrophic damage or killing many people. Examples: Dean, Felix (could be medium). Alma Mid. Boris Low High Lowell. Top Kathleen. Mid Ekeka. Leave Message or Yellow Evan home 16:13, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Something is not right on my talk page. It is not going through when I type. It is also in greenish brown. Leave Message or Yellow Evan home or User:Yellow Evan/Sandbox 14:46, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
We keep on arguing about this. Why cannot we do articles for every storm in the EPAC? Leave Message or Yellow Evan home or User:Yellow Evan/Sandbox 14:51, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
I am taking the list of NHC breakpoints and arranging them into a table. Then I am going to make sure that every city/town/hamlet on the list has an article, which should remove a lot of redlinks from our TC articles. Join in, there's enough for everyone! Plasticup T/ C 00:07, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
If I get time, I'll try to work on this. If anyone's interested in working on it too, 2007 North Indian Ocean cyclone season has TONS of information available now. There's lots of interest in some of the related articles (Gonus, Sidr, Yemyin, Akash). This would make a good featured topic. Potapych ( talk) 22:06, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
I just noticed there was a big purge of WMO documents that were extremely useful to some of these articles. They must've deleted the annual summaries, final reports, and old operation manuals within the last couple of months. Potapych ( talk) 02:02, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Do we know which ones at all? Jason Rees ( talk) 02:07, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi! I was working on setting up a Tropical cyclone topic but I got stuck on how to setup the topic. Any input about (i) what definitely needs to be in, and (ii) what should but not really necessary, would be really appreciated. Thanks, Nergaal ( talk) 01:15, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm having trouble with the timeline images. Whenever I try to make one or add a link to one, the image either shows up as a question mark box or there is no text in it. Is anyone else having this problem? Or does someone know how to fix this? Cyclonebiskit ( talk) 20:32, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Have we ever disscussed what we call it?? - I ask because when i am doing articles at the minute i am unsure in what to call it. Jason Rees ( talk) 22:01, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Jason Rees ( talk) 14:57, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
The CLIQR database online lists real-time tropical depression designations for systems in both the Atlantic and eastern Pacific hurricane basins as names within the file, and has tracks, if someone wants to generate the tracks for the season pages. This database is still in the process of being created/updated, and is being done so with the knowledge and occasional feedback of the National Hurricane Center. It will probably be some years before the numbering/designation dilemna is sorted out in the 1970s and 1980s, but at least we have most of their tracks. Thegreatdr ( talk) 14:23, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
See Category:Very-low-importance Tropical cyclone articles; I tried it on Talk:Tropical Storm Erick (2007). Seems like a good idea for storms like Erick, Lee 05, and Elida 08. Thoughts before I start applying it? – Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 19:25, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
We should be careful and make sure any non-landfalling systems which produce meteorological records, such as strength, longevity, and time of occurrence (such as out of season developments or storms which formed in unusual locations) are above this new very low category. Thegreatdr ( talk) 19:52, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
What about storms like Hurricane Liza (1968), Hurricane Elida (2008), and Hurricane Boris (2008). They should be Low not very low. Leave Message or Yellow Evan home or User:Yellow Evan/Sandbox 23:37, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Elida was berfily forcasted to hit at 8 AM PDT July 18. Leave Message or Yellow Evan home or User:Yellow Evan/Sandbox 23:53, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
I am not sure but the rements may have impacted Hawaii. Leave Message or Yellow Evan home or User:Yellow Evan/Sandbox 23:59, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
What about Boris? I said it definded weakening predictions, the first Tropical Cyclone in June since Tropical Storm Cavin] in 2005. Low but not very low. Leave Message or Yellow Evan home or User:Yellow Evan/Sandbox 00:06, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
This one did it for three and a half days hernan did it one and a half days. Leave Message or Yellow Evan home or User:Yellow Evan/Sandbox 00:45, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Also that dry spell uis vey rare. Espissaly how active 2006 was. Leave Message or Yellow Evan home or User:Yellow Evan/Sandbox 00:46, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
For systems staying at sea, the number of storms similar to one could also be helpful in importance decisions. Consider Atlantic hurricanes that die in the central Atlantic "hurricane graveyard". The fact that that happens often enough to be "routine" says that most of those systems ought to be low or very-low in importance. Basically, "routine" systems should be "routinely" low or very low. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 23:54, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
There seems to be a disagreement if Tropical Storm Alma-Arthur should exist as a separate article. I think it has since this storm was the first example of a crossover tropical cyclone between the two oceans since Cesar-Douglas in 1996. It's probably the only crossover tropical cyclone to be a Tropical Storm. Please raise your opinion. -- Magioladitis ( talk) 21:49, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
If you look at the TPC surface analysis series, it was indeed the same area of low pressure. Was it the same well-defined tropical cyclone? No. But that's a narrow distinction that wouldn't have been made 10+ years ago, though the reasonable doubt is likely probably reason enough to separate the systems into two articles. Thegreatdr ( talk) 23:08, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Hiya, I suggest we begin making a lee-way on Next seasons "Season Articles" as once we have done those we can focus on getting the other articles up to standard and try and catch up on the WPAC.
I have created and nearly finished 2009 Atlantic hurricane season
Located at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Itfc%2Bcanes%3Dme/sandbox/2009_atlantic_hurricane_season
Any Volunteers for the others?
Itfc+canes=me Talk Contributions 16:28, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
I have an article coming up and is nearly created, but the storm article redirects somewhere. How do i rectify this so i can move the nearly created article? User:Itfc+canes=me Talk Contributions 13:16, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Last night I pout this article up to merge. This morning add added the info to the merged article and no it keep getting reverted it joined with Ike and they should be some note about it effects. Mitch and Cyclonebiskit reverted it. Leave Message , Yellow Evan home , User:Yellow Evan/Sandbox, Hurricane Fausto (2002), Hurricane Hernan (2008) , Tropical Storm Dora (2005) or Tropical Storm Norman (2000) 15:19, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
They should be a note about its impact too although it was not realted. Leave Message , Yellow Evan home , User:Yellow Evan/Sandbox, Hurricane Fausto (2002), Hurricane Hernan (2008) , Tropical Storm Dora (2005) or Tropical Storm Norman (2000) 15:26, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
I think the NHC has officially upgraded Emilia to a Category Five, or at least HURDAT has. I just checked the Unisys site for 1994, and it has Emilia briefly reaching cat:5 with winds of 160mph. Trackfile. Cyclonebiskit ( talk) 17:26, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
This is now driving me crazy, and why does this keep getting reverted and know its been protected. It is not my fault I was trying to get it featured? Leave Message , Yellow Evan home , Sandbox[ 19:58, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
That why I was did those edits in the first place to finish the tasks. I would like an an administrator to answer this. Leave Message , Yellow Evan home , Sandbox[ 20:13, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
But in some ACE in there and mabey some meteorological stats and forcasting in there for sure. Leave Message , Yellow Evan home , Sandbox[ 20:58, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Are IPs lacking accounts allowed to join the project? Just asking. --Dylan620 ( Home • yadda yadda yadda • Ooooohh!) 22:33, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
I Wouldnt off thought so as their IP Addresses change frequently but i am not sure. Jason Rees ( talk) 22:36, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
I have been working on 2006 PHS whit is rewrite and the season Impact and I also need some help so we can get a FT. Leave Message , Yellow Evan home , Sandbox[ 21:50, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Why was this merged? Leave Message , Yellow Evan home , Sandbox[ 22:09, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
So was Lowell. Its quality not quantity i agree it could be expanded a little but no enough to be merged. Leave Message , Yellow Evan home , Sandbox[ 22:55, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
Tropical Depression Seventeen-E (2008)
We have a lot of merge candidates. Someone keeps merging Odile when i am trying to make a point. Any thoughts? Make a list of your candites. Leave Message , Yellow Evan home , Sandbox[ 01:06, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Make your list, then what should be merge what what should not. Leave Message , Yellow Evan home , Sandbox[ 01:13, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Before GACing the 1983 Pacific typhoon season, I need someone with the knowledge to create the tracks of the two TDs located within the HKO report for early October and late November. Any help here is appreciated, even if it is to instruct me as to how to do it. Thegreatdr ( talk) 16:45, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
In some of the past Australian cyclone season articles (e.h. 1999-2000) is mentioned
however since now they maintain only one list for Perth, Darwin and Brisbane together the statement should be corrected to reflect that the statement was correct in the past seasons. Please one do this because if I did it myself I certainly would include a mess of grammar. ;-) -- Matthiasb ( talk) 14:43, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone know how to get the images from [2]] to wikipedia?-- Kirk76 1854 Atlantic Hurricane Season 01:30, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
for the am millionth time why cant we do articles for every storm in the EPAC? Leave Message , Yellow Evan home , Sandbox[ 02:08, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
There seems to be controversy in the 2008 Atlantic hurricane season article on the dissipation date of Hurricane Paloma. Going by the local time, it was 10pm on November 9, however, going by UTC it dissipated on November 10. I'm not sure if there is a preferred time but if there is, it needs to be more clearly stated so things like this don't continue. Cyclonebiskit ( talk) 17:54, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
I have now removed all the bolding from the Timelines Jason Rees ( talk) 02:08, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Which term is the right one for storms in the RSMC Nadi area? According to their website they issue
However, in their TC summary they call it Tropical Cyclone Season but also the New Zealand National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research f. ex. calls Guba a hurricane. Any ideas? -- Matthiasb ( talk) 12:53, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
This is acting weird, why are they so many storms (land impacting) that dont have articles Tara killed 500 in Mexiaco. Flossie is a stub folks, i wishes Flossie was a FA. Same with Tico. There is may storms that need articles. From the top my head there is Aridan 99, Jova 05, Estelle 84, Fausto 96, Boris 96, Trudy 90, Alma 90, Virgil 92, Hali 92, Yolanda 92, Hillary 05, Wene 00, Upana 00, Kristy 06, Olivia 94, Howard 04, Estelle 86, Doreen 77, Madeline 76, Annette 76, Katrina 67, Simone 68. Instead, we are try to do the 2006 PHS. Leave Message , Yellow Evan home , Sandbox Happy Veterans day 17:03, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Last night my article on Cyclone Elisa (2008) had its GA review and the only thing that was brought up was about the name Esau being retired after the 1991-92 SPac season and Elisa replacing it. As i could not find a source that said Esau was replaced with Elisa i had to remove it from the article. When i came on this afternoon to Wiki i saw that the reviewer seemed to be dissapointed that i had to take out so my question is does anyone know of any source that specfically says that Elisa replaced Esau? Jason Rees ( talk) 20:20, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
I have an new idea for the project page format.
Leave Message , Yellow Evan home , Sandbox Happy Veterans day 21:12, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
The first of the Pacific typhoon season articles appears complete enough to go through the GA process. Check out 1982 Pacific typhoon season and see what you think. The biggest question going forward is, "Do we need a complete summation of every TC in the lead, or a section thereafter, for the Pacific typhoon season series, or is a more general summary reasonable?" Thegreatdr ( talk) 16:35, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
I really wish the GA reviews for season articles were consistent from season to season, because Julian's and Dana's suggestions for the 1983 Pacific typhoon season don't fit project standards in regards to season summaries. For example, in the 1982 Pacific typhoon season article, a storm-by-storm summary was insisted upon by the reviewer per the project standards, which I abided by and it was raised to GA (now there are 3 PTS GAs.) In the 1939 Pacific typhoon season article, it is a very brief summation (which was what we originally had for the 1982 Pacific typhoon season article before the review.) In the 5 season articles I've tried to raise to GA, in 4 cases the reviewers insisted upon a storm-by-storm review. What are the project standards? Is the main project page obsolete or not? In short, have the standards changed or not? Thegreatdr ( talk) 22:30, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
After hink's recent response in the section above, and my search of my own talk archives and the first 12 of the project archives (time consuming,) it appears this problem hasn't been discussed yet. It has made sense the main units used in season and storm articles for the Western Hemisphere should have mph prominent over SI units, since the warning centers are based within the US, where imperial units are still commonly used. However, this is not true in the Eastern Hemisphere. I've been placing knots as the major unit for tropical cyclones in the Pacific typhoon season articles (since it is the most common nautical term), with convert templates shifting the values to km/h. Is this reasonable? I could see a real POV issue if we used mph in the Eastern Hemisphere, since the world outside the US has essentially embraced SI over imperial units. Thegreatdr ( talk) 16:20, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Also there is a problem with the mph in many articles, mainly when the Template:Convert is used. The wind speeds publsihed by the NHC are commonly rounded by 5 knots. Therefor converted into mph the result should be rounded by five. When one is using now mph as a base for converting into km/h the output can be wrong. Following are some values and there verification of that wrong way of convertig wind speeds (I just hope I haven't make mistakes).
So we must ever convert from the source data into the unit we need, i.e. knots directly into km/h and not via mph into km/h. Cocerning the use of mph in genereal I think to remember a discussion on one of the MOS pages some time ago. -- Matthiasb ( talk) 18:27, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Thats the way i prefer to do them and i have been doing it that way untill Hink moaned at me for using knots earlier this week Jason Rees ( talk) 19:26, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
I was having a look at the Infobox Hurricane. If we were to do an article for Tropical Cyclone Lee-Ariel or for Tropical Cyclone Bertie-Alvin we would either have to loose one of the centers Scales or have two infoboxes. Clearly both options are not acceptable so can we make an ammendment to the infobox hurricane to include both the Aus scale and the SWIO Scale as well as the SSHS when we have basin crossers Jason Rees ( talk) 00:55, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
As many of you may already know, there is an ongoing dispute over the level of importance of the 2008 Atlantic hurricane season. The current way to analyze a season's importance is by number of storms. However IP user 99.52.153.15, had brought up the point that the 2008 season has caused significant damage and being mid importance doesn't seem right. A good example just used was the 1992 season. Although the season was rather inactive, it was memorable in that the only major hurricane, Andrew, devastated southern Florida and part of Louisiana. There should be some adjustments made to determine how important a season really was. 2005 is, without a doubt, top importance. High importance seems to match up with seasons like 1933, 1969, 2004, and 2008 due to either the high level of activity or the impact caused by the storms. Mid level would be most other season as is already being done, and low would be seasons like 1914, where the season was minor in terms of impact and/or inactive. What are everyone else's thoughts on this? Cyclonebiskit ( talk) 02:33, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
The 1992 AHS was not a huge thing at all . It is a different story with the 1992 PHS (my favorite season of all time). Leave Message , Yellow Evan home , Sandbox Happy Veterans day 02:48, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
(edit conflict)The 1992 PHS is a huge deal which should be top the 1992 AHS should be Mid while Hurricane Andrew should be top . Leave Message , Yellow Evan home , Sandbox Happy Veterans day 03:12, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Cyclonebiskit ( talk) 15:18, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
My 2 cents without looking at the above, I feel that season articles must be weighed on the entire season, and compared only to its own basin. Perhaps that would be an objective criteria, in using the average damage/deaths per storm (season total divided by number of storms). Seasons that have one extraordinarily notable storm should probably be Mid-importance (no higher, I feel, if none of the other storms were notable). Overall, I don't think we should have very strict criteria. We know that the 2005 AHS is more important than 2006. If some criteria are needed, then we could do the outrageous route (albeit possibly a good move in this case, as suggested by our ol' pal Titoxd) of listing every season (split by basin), and putting them manually in order, and only then seeing what the dividing lines would be. For the Atlantic, it's very obvious that 1890 is toward the bottom of the list (as are several pre-1900 ones). I dunno. Is this discussion really that important (pun possibly intended)? ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk) 07:30, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
The JMA have finally put their Annual Tropical Cyclone Report for 2007 up on their website [ Here] Jason Rees ( talk) 17:11, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Is it just me or the quality of the TC rainfall images all of a sudden became horrible because the last time I looked they werent in such quality. Storm05 ( talk) 12:53, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
I have the same Storm05's problem. - Ramisses ( talk) 14:36, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
...within the 1994 Pacific typhoon season. Something about barski and bardat not jiving. I'm still new with their use. Thegreatdr ( talk) 21:14, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
This is not an article which will be published, but it will be more a thing for the project to use. User:Cyclonebiskit/2008 Global Cyclone season impact table is the article page. It's still being worked on but the bulk of it is done. The main reason as to why it wont be published is because of the RSMC's. The chart can only give info for one monitoring agency so I used the 1-min winds. The monthly totals are at the bottom of the page as well as a chart which is affected by the timeline bug. Feedback on this is appreciated. P.S. Don't edit the page without reasoning. I want to keep this a calm article which very few people edit so it's consistent. Cyclonebiskit ( talk) 20:01, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
It could be used. There has been an occasional talk of an article like Tropical cyclones in 2008. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk) 20:34, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
I belive it a concisenes to do articles for every storm in the Epac now. the polls are
Support (needs to be good too)
Julinancolton
Yellow Evan
Plasticup
Jdorje
Crazy C83
Titoxd
Oppose
Jason Rees
Itfc+canes=me
Elena85
Neutral
thegreatdr
Cyclonebiskit
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Yellow Evan home , or
User:Yellow Evan/Sandbox
17:08, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
This topic has been talked to death. I removed my name, because I don't agree with it at all. If the content is well-written, the article of a reasonable length, and it is as comprehensive as possible/needed, then it can get an article. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk) 18:58, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
If you can create a good article, go for it. Just don't do all of them for the sake of doing all of them. This doesn't seem like a big deal. Don't "unmerge them this week"; this isn't a game, and there are no points for being first. Work on one at a time and make it good. -- Golbez ( talk) 20:36, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Leave Message , Yellow Evan home , User:Yellow Evan/Sandbox 02:17, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Soon after achieving GA around the beginning of September, the name of the Atlantic tropical cyclone article (changed to Atlantic tropical cyclones at the behest of a GA review and per common sense) was changed back to its original name, Atlantic hurricanes. There was a several day chat concerning the naming, and it appears the sentiment is for renaming the article with the title North Atlantic tropical cyclones. I'm posting a comment here to get more feedback over the next week before changing the name back. Thegreatdr ( talk) 13:22, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
I prefer the current title, primarily since it's the most concise. Most people don't even know the difference between hurricanes and tropical cyclones. Plus, we clarify right away that it includes Atlantic tropical storms; An Atlantic hurricane or tropical storm is a tropical cyclone that forms in the North Atlantic Ocean. It would be extremely redundant to say A North Atlantic tropical cyclone is a tropical cyclone that forms in the North Atlantic Ocean. We've gone over it dozens of times before, over the use of hurricane vs. tropical cyclone. I don't see a need to change it. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk) 18:43, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
The stormarchives have been (re)moved, f. ex. ftp://ftp.nhc.noaa.gov/pub/storm_archives/pacific/prelimep/ep1994/john/ seems not to exist anymore. Any hint where to seach now. Certainly a lot of articless are affected. -- Matthiasb ( talk) 17:35, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Well then. But the link above is from the Hurricane John (1994) article, as external link. -- Matthiasb ( talk) 21:49, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Within the Australian region Cyclone season 2007-08 all the names were either retired or removed from the lists. So should we be using the 2007 or the 2008 designation at the end of the titles? Jason Rees ( talk) 03:47, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
That article does use in the Impact section the link http://www4.ncdc.noaa.gov/cgi-win/wwcgi.dll?wwevent~ShowEvent~203411 as a reference, however this links to a not-related event. Could one knowing how to search that database please find the correct link. -- Matthiasb ( talk) 12:49, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
There are many storms that are listed as "low" importance but should be "mid" importance:
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Cyclonebiskit ( talk) 18:14, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
The following is a quote from the previous discussion on Article importance On a similar topic, why are we using "Very low" importance? Articles tagged with that are not being picked up by the WP:1.0 bot, and the classification gives minimal benefit at best. (Seriously, folks, the distinction between "low importance" and "Very low importance" is meaningless at best. Both say that the article is not one of our priorities, yet we still work on them because they're low-hanging fruit.) I have half a mind of TFD'ing the thing unless a very good reason for its existence is given (and "low" is already the bottom of the barrel...). Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 00:50, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
It's hard to compare storm to storm, it has to be compared to the standards. I've already expressed my thoughts on this and I'm not interested enough in this topic to express them again. What's done is done. Cyclonebiskit ( talk) 19:22, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
season. These storms should have less than 20 deaths.
For seasons:
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Simple proposal. Right now, we have a sub-category for almost every Mexican state, but hardly any of them are being used. They're clutter. I propose all of the categories be deleted, and replaced with Category:Pacific hurricanes in Mexico and Category:Atlantic hurricanes in Mexico. If further categorization is needed, then Baja California peninsula and Yucatan peninsula categories would probably be warranted. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk) 05:09, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Quick question before I continue. Should the category (let's say Category:Atlantic hurricanes in Mexico) be both a sub-cat of Hurricanes in Mexico and Atlantic hurricanes, or only of Hurricanes in Mexico? Remember, we don't have any articles actually linking to Category:Atlantic hurricanes (since we organized them by strength). ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk) 20:47, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
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Do you think its is time to do articles for EVERY storm in the EPAC. 2006 has a bunch now and 2007 has several.
2 things: A article for Norbert is coming. A article for Five-E is coming.
Also, I have several request on the Article request
Leave Message or Yellow Evan home 13:54, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Erick is a good example. Jiliancolton you did a good job there. Bud is the only bad one. Dilia is OK. I am surprised that none has done an article for Nora. Leave Message or Yellow Evan home 14:55, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Does this mean we merge Bud?-- Leave Message or Yellow Evan home 16:41, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
I want to merge Lowell because no one is letting me expand it. Bud is the worst article I ever seen. Leave Message or Yellow Evan home 18:55, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
I want to merge Lowell because no one is letting me expand it. Bud is the worst article I ever seen. Leave Message or Yellow Evan home 18:55, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
** Since 2005, this has basically been de facto policy
** The previous two would basically also cover any retired storm, but in case they don't, I included this one
** The exclusion of remnants is intended to make it clear that this suggestion does not mean it's necessary to have an article on, say, 2001's Manuel
An off- season storm or a storm that reaches a unusual latitude or longitude. Example Hurricane Fausto (2002) and Tropical Storm Wene (2000).
These should be the Guidlines.
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19:44, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
All the impact I try keeps on getting dealted. They say it for Ike not Lowell. I say its for all these.
Iowa flood of 2008
Tropical Strom Lowell (2008)
Hurricane Ike
2008 Midwest floods
This would require many new pages.
This should be first on the list for new articles:
Leave Message or Yellow Evan home 20:13, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
I fixed spelling, please try to fix your mistakes. -- Rose09 Rashmi Next 20:15, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
That we should make the article policies clear. My suggestions are above. The list of storms are the other member of the Procet should make. i am taking care of this list.
Leave Message or Yellow Evan home 21:01, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
-- Rose09 Rashmi Next 21:08, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
-- Rose09 Rashmi Next 21:26, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Granted I'll be busy until about 1800 UTC on October 17, but I'll see what I can do about Tina. And possibly Tara as well, once I find good sources. Dy la n 6 20 Life story 01:05 UTC October 16, 2008
I'll quote Titoxd. We have to upgrade that scale to reflect project-only importance instead of Wikipedia-wide importance, because WP:v0.7 will be bot-selected. I agree with him. We need to think of importance as if we were only a weather encyclopedia, not just part of a larger, amazing encyclopedia. For example, all retired storms would either be high or top, with top being reserved for (soft-limit) the 100 most important hurricane topics we have. Someone on the WPTC IRC brought up a Very-low importance class. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk) 03:30, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Comparing importance across basin, across era, and across article type is incredibly complicated and is inevitably going to lead to contradictions and make people unhappy. If you consider JUST the 2007 season for a moment, one might make the distinction:
Even looking at this one season with this criteria - and ignoring meteorological notability - is surely going to start making people upset. The problem is we have so many articles on truly "low" importance storms now that any storm striking land has to be of higher importance than that, IMO; you can't lump a storm that killed 10 people in the same category with one that lasted for 6 hours and affected nobody. Yet that leaves only high and top classifications for truly damaging storms. Honestly there would be nothing wrong with a system like this, except that the distribution of articles would be far different than what we have now (and in the Atlantic there might be more medium than low-importance storm articles). When you compare to season articles (still considering only the Atlantic), it would mean even the least notable seasons would still be at the high end of medium, with at least half of season articles given high/top importance (2007 would probably be High I'd think, but close to Top). Look at sub-articles and Effects of Hurricane Dean in Mexico at Mid-importance is probably okay, though many effects articles would still be high-importance and basically none would ever be Low by definition. Get to other basins and the distribution for seasons is similar but most basins would have a lot more low-importance storms (which do not at present generally get articles). Almost all meteorology articles would end up being top-importance. The 2004 season would probably have 5 top-importance articles, with the 2005 season having at least 4. Again, if you consider this to be importance 'within the wikiproject, having a large number of top- and high-importance articles, while most potential low-importance articles remain unwritten (at least for now) could make sense.
— jdorje ( talk) 21:37, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Since there's already an existing discussion on this, I think we should bring this back up, since there's clearly some inconsistencies over it. Should the importance scale be evenly distributed over all storms (relatively even number of low, medium, and high), or should it be weighed and have a strict criteria for each level (leaving most storms as low, less as mid, and only a few as high)? ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk) 15:42, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Very low fishpinners below Cat 4 Low Fishipers of Cat. 4 or average Cat.5 (trudy an expaction) Storms that make that do not make landfall or storms that cause low impact Mid storms that cross the international dateline other 4 and 5's and killed sevral people High Record holder (example Ioke) Top cstphones This. Leave Message , Yellow Evan home , Sandbox Happy Veterans day 16:05, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
To be honest Hink weve got to do it on a basin by basin basis as if you say for example 20 storms is high then you will have every WPAC season at high or above Jason Rees ( talk) 23:00, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Anyone else opposed? If not (and before this gets archived), we should make the transition within the next week or so (to avoid any lasting damage). ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk) 05:52, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
I have an idea for the guidelines:
Type | Standard |
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Season Articles | 2 Months Before season starts |
Hurricanes dissipated and hits land | Only if major damage, deaths or retirement occurs. |
Hurricanes active and looks to hit land | Only if major damage, deaths or retirement is likely to occur. |
Hurricane is active and a major hurricane | Create if there are enough sources - at least 3. |
Hurricane was rare and is active | Do not publish yet |
Hurricane was rare and is dead | Only if the cyclone did something unusual, or broke a record and has more than 3 sources cited..... if not - do not publish yet |
Hurricane has good sources available and a good write up is very possible | Only if the article would be well-written, comprehensive, and well-sourced..... if not - do not publish yet |
Any of the above but seasons article's section is not well developed | As per Wikipedia:SPINOUT |
Was/IS a 'fishspinner' | Only if you can cite up to 4 sources... if not - needs to be at C or Start (depending on debate) class within 3 weeks of creation. |
Now with a few edits this could be good any suggestions... if not I would request a poll for it. Itfc+canes=me ( talk) 17:03, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Go back to the Guild lines I put.v These are more correct and better. Leave Message or Yellow Evan home 04:10, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Fishspinners can supotr articles. It is simple.
Then acrrording to the standers this is what we do.
Type | Standard |
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Bud | keep |
Erick | keep |
Boris | keep |
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I am strongly against any set it stone guidelines. If someone writes a really great article on a storm, but it gets put on AFD because it goes against some "guideline", then that is rediculous. I'm fine with general guidelines, but not "tropical storm lasting more than 72 hours but less than 144 that formed on a Tuesday in a leap year must be deleted" guidelines. - CWY2190( talk • contributions) 04:47, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Why cannot we do articles for EVERY storm. Whats wrong with that and what to hear nonsense.
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14:51, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
try to write an EPAC fishspinner here. Leave Message or Yellow Evan home 16:10, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
This discussion has been difficult to follow per the significant typos/grammar/indentation issues with some of the responses, so I'll just give you all my opinion and what our project's history has been on this topic. This discussion appears to be a rehash of a discussion that occurred in the project back in 2005 and 2006 when people started writing articles on every storm in the Atlantic Basin. Some of the most active/productive members were initially opposed to this, particularly the fish storms (older slang for your fishspinner terminology) but once people produced decent articles on these systems, the discussion generally melted away. Personally, I think C class is too harsh...Start class is more appropriate at first if someone wants to create an article on a system. If you all want to fix the stub problem within the project, consider merging the content of the stub storm articles back into the season articles and replace them with redirects, as long as they were not important cyclones (i.e., retired for meteorological purposes.) If the stubs ARE the season articles, then expand them out. The season articles for all basins are begging for attention, for those looking for something to do. By the way, I don't think it's a good idea for have different criteria in the different basins...that could be interpreted as POV. Thegreatdr ( talk) 16:46, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
How long is it going to be until I actually create a storm article? First Fausto, and now Norbert, and Yellow Evan beat me to both. I'm very interested in tropical cyclones, don't get me wrong, but if I'm going to be beaten to every storm article I plan, I don't see what my purpose in this project is. Hurricanehink, an administrator, has complimented me on my writing. I'd probably be a great help to the project if someone would actually let me. Dy la n 6 20 Life story 18:58 UTC October 8, 2008
It is a real shame that Yellow Evan keeps creating awful messes (which I hesitate to call "articles"), especially when it is preventing talented writers like Dylan620 from creating them. Something has to be done. Plasticup T/ C 22:30, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
You know, I can't think of a single storm article I've created. Okay I don't know what that point is supposed to mean...but I don't think I'm useless :). Dylan, why don't you try to fix Hurricane Janet, that storm needs some love. — jdorje ( talk) 04:05, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, guys. Even though it's been redirected now, I created the Tropical Storm Odile (2008) article. Yellow Evan has given me some ideas for articles (Hurricane Jova (2005), Hurricane Boris (1996), Tropical Storm Andres (1997), and Hurricane Fausto (1996)), and I do accept the suggestions I have received from Jdorje, Jason Rees, RattleMan, Plasticup, and Titoxd. I have a plan: leave Rene in the Atlantic to me, once he pops up (which is likely, considering the 'P' storm is imminent when we're halfway through October). I'll try my best to pump out a decent article, at least B-class or GA-class (a suitable goal for a Wikipedian new as me). I also have a few disambiguation pages in stock; contact me on my talk page if you think my disambiguation page for tropical cyclones named Percy is ready. I'll use as much free time as I can to edit, and improve, any article I find needs improvement, and in any way I can. D y l a n 6 2 0 Life story 21:39 UTC October 14, 2008
Okay, since TD Sixteen is unlikely to become a tropical storm now, leave the next storm in the Atlantic (presumably Paloma) to me; since when did tropical depressions become named storms over land, especially over extremely mountainous countries like Honduras? Oh, and I still promise to try to make a decent (B-class or GA-class) article, no matter how notable or non-notable Paloma is (an exception, though, will be if Paloma is a powerful hurricane heading my way; I'll probably spend more time evacuating than contributing to the article). Lounge with Dylan620 today! 00:56 UTC October 16, 2008
Could someone delete the redirect for 1966 Pacific hurricane season? -- Rose09 Rashmi Next 21:03, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
I am starting sandboxes that will be published in April '09!
and
feel free to edit, But Someone better not move to mainspace until April, got it!
Sorry, just had to do that. -- Kirk76 1854 Atlantic Hurricane Season 00:46, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Jason Rees ( talk) 00:55, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Info would be needed December 9.
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13:15, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Admins - please don't kill me for this... but lately the quality of articles written by editors has well... dropped. What I think the project needs is a User Review. It would be based on a 3 strike system. Every month we nominate someone to review all users edits that involve WPTC. If they are not so good... or they have been vandalizing ET AL... they get 1 strike.... each year it would be checked. After a year the strikes get (sorry for the pun) "struck" off. However if anyone does really bad work and is awful. They get 2 strikes - they would wear off after 2 years. Anyone agree? Comments? Itfc+canes=me Talk Contributions 17:39, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Support: 0 Oppose: 2 Neutral: 0 Comments: 2
Any ideas or agreeals? Itfc+canes=me Talk Contributions 17:39, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
No - This would discourage particpants & we have enough problems trying to keep up to date evreywhere outside the atlantic Jason Rees ( talk) 18:23, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
These articles need some serious editing/improvement to get to GA, especially Otis. I only had the heart to write the GA review for Otis, which was a difficult review, since so much improvement was needed. I did what I could to bring Max up to C class today. So much is needed to be improved within a week that I fear Otis won't reach GA. Max, on the other hand, has some promise. To all in the project, please review the GA criteria carefully before submitting articles for GA. Thank you. This has been a public service announcement. =) Thegreatdr ( talk) 23:22, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Why does every EPAC storm with an article get low importance? It happened with Ekeka, Alma, Boris, and Lowell. That is more rare than Tropical Storm Zeta. Alma was a crossover. Boris caused heavy rain well inland. Same with Lowell. kathleen really should be Top to someone that lives in that area. Leave Message or Yellow Evan home 15:38, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
what about Ekeka. Leave Message or Yellow Evan home 15:58, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
here are the guidelines
Low - storms not impacting land that aren't otherwise notable. Examples: Ingrid, Jerry, Karen, Melissa Medium - storms that had low impact that someone somewhere might care about. Maybe they even killed someone or did some damage. Examples: Andrea, Barry, Chantal, Erin (could be high), Gabrielle, Humberto, Lorenzo, Ten High - storms with a significant effect on land, doing significant damage or killing a reasonable number of people. Examples: Noel, Olga (could be medium) Top - storms doing catastrophic damage or killing many people. Examples: Dean, Felix (could be medium). Alma Mid. Boris Low High Lowell. Top Kathleen. Mid Ekeka. Leave Message or Yellow Evan home 16:13, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Something is not right on my talk page. It is not going through when I type. It is also in greenish brown. Leave Message or Yellow Evan home or User:Yellow Evan/Sandbox 14:46, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
We keep on arguing about this. Why cannot we do articles for every storm in the EPAC? Leave Message or Yellow Evan home or User:Yellow Evan/Sandbox 14:51, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
I am taking the list of NHC breakpoints and arranging them into a table. Then I am going to make sure that every city/town/hamlet on the list has an article, which should remove a lot of redlinks from our TC articles. Join in, there's enough for everyone! Plasticup T/ C 00:07, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
If I get time, I'll try to work on this. If anyone's interested in working on it too, 2007 North Indian Ocean cyclone season has TONS of information available now. There's lots of interest in some of the related articles (Gonus, Sidr, Yemyin, Akash). This would make a good featured topic. Potapych ( talk) 22:06, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
I just noticed there was a big purge of WMO documents that were extremely useful to some of these articles. They must've deleted the annual summaries, final reports, and old operation manuals within the last couple of months. Potapych ( talk) 02:02, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Do we know which ones at all? Jason Rees ( talk) 02:07, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi! I was working on setting up a Tropical cyclone topic but I got stuck on how to setup the topic. Any input about (i) what definitely needs to be in, and (ii) what should but not really necessary, would be really appreciated. Thanks, Nergaal ( talk) 01:15, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm having trouble with the timeline images. Whenever I try to make one or add a link to one, the image either shows up as a question mark box or there is no text in it. Is anyone else having this problem? Or does someone know how to fix this? Cyclonebiskit ( talk) 20:32, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Have we ever disscussed what we call it?? - I ask because when i am doing articles at the minute i am unsure in what to call it. Jason Rees ( talk) 22:01, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Jason Rees ( talk) 14:57, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
The CLIQR database online lists real-time tropical depression designations for systems in both the Atlantic and eastern Pacific hurricane basins as names within the file, and has tracks, if someone wants to generate the tracks for the season pages. This database is still in the process of being created/updated, and is being done so with the knowledge and occasional feedback of the National Hurricane Center. It will probably be some years before the numbering/designation dilemna is sorted out in the 1970s and 1980s, but at least we have most of their tracks. Thegreatdr ( talk) 14:23, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
See Category:Very-low-importance Tropical cyclone articles; I tried it on Talk:Tropical Storm Erick (2007). Seems like a good idea for storms like Erick, Lee 05, and Elida 08. Thoughts before I start applying it? – Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 19:25, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
We should be careful and make sure any non-landfalling systems which produce meteorological records, such as strength, longevity, and time of occurrence (such as out of season developments or storms which formed in unusual locations) are above this new very low category. Thegreatdr ( talk) 19:52, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
What about storms like Hurricane Liza (1968), Hurricane Elida (2008), and Hurricane Boris (2008). They should be Low not very low. Leave Message or Yellow Evan home or User:Yellow Evan/Sandbox 23:37, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Elida was berfily forcasted to hit at 8 AM PDT July 18. Leave Message or Yellow Evan home or User:Yellow Evan/Sandbox 23:53, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
I am not sure but the rements may have impacted Hawaii. Leave Message or Yellow Evan home or User:Yellow Evan/Sandbox 23:59, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
What about Boris? I said it definded weakening predictions, the first Tropical Cyclone in June since Tropical Storm Cavin] in 2005. Low but not very low. Leave Message or Yellow Evan home or User:Yellow Evan/Sandbox 00:06, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
This one did it for three and a half days hernan did it one and a half days. Leave Message or Yellow Evan home or User:Yellow Evan/Sandbox 00:45, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Also that dry spell uis vey rare. Espissaly how active 2006 was. Leave Message or Yellow Evan home or User:Yellow Evan/Sandbox 00:46, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
For systems staying at sea, the number of storms similar to one could also be helpful in importance decisions. Consider Atlantic hurricanes that die in the central Atlantic "hurricane graveyard". The fact that that happens often enough to be "routine" says that most of those systems ought to be low or very-low in importance. Basically, "routine" systems should be "routinely" low or very low. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 23:54, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
There seems to be a disagreement if Tropical Storm Alma-Arthur should exist as a separate article. I think it has since this storm was the first example of a crossover tropical cyclone between the two oceans since Cesar-Douglas in 1996. It's probably the only crossover tropical cyclone to be a Tropical Storm. Please raise your opinion. -- Magioladitis ( talk) 21:49, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
If you look at the TPC surface analysis series, it was indeed the same area of low pressure. Was it the same well-defined tropical cyclone? No. But that's a narrow distinction that wouldn't have been made 10+ years ago, though the reasonable doubt is likely probably reason enough to separate the systems into two articles. Thegreatdr ( talk) 23:08, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Hiya, I suggest we begin making a lee-way on Next seasons "Season Articles" as once we have done those we can focus on getting the other articles up to standard and try and catch up on the WPAC.
I have created and nearly finished 2009 Atlantic hurricane season
Located at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Itfc%2Bcanes%3Dme/sandbox/2009_atlantic_hurricane_season
Any Volunteers for the others?
Itfc+canes=me Talk Contributions 16:28, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
I have an article coming up and is nearly created, but the storm article redirects somewhere. How do i rectify this so i can move the nearly created article? User:Itfc+canes=me Talk Contributions 13:16, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Last night I pout this article up to merge. This morning add added the info to the merged article and no it keep getting reverted it joined with Ike and they should be some note about it effects. Mitch and Cyclonebiskit reverted it. Leave Message , Yellow Evan home , User:Yellow Evan/Sandbox, Hurricane Fausto (2002), Hurricane Hernan (2008) , Tropical Storm Dora (2005) or Tropical Storm Norman (2000) 15:19, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
They should be a note about its impact too although it was not realted. Leave Message , Yellow Evan home , User:Yellow Evan/Sandbox, Hurricane Fausto (2002), Hurricane Hernan (2008) , Tropical Storm Dora (2005) or Tropical Storm Norman (2000) 15:26, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
I think the NHC has officially upgraded Emilia to a Category Five, or at least HURDAT has. I just checked the Unisys site for 1994, and it has Emilia briefly reaching cat:5 with winds of 160mph. Trackfile. Cyclonebiskit ( talk) 17:26, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
This is now driving me crazy, and why does this keep getting reverted and know its been protected. It is not my fault I was trying to get it featured? Leave Message , Yellow Evan home , Sandbox[ 19:58, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
That why I was did those edits in the first place to finish the tasks. I would like an an administrator to answer this. Leave Message , Yellow Evan home , Sandbox[ 20:13, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
But in some ACE in there and mabey some meteorological stats and forcasting in there for sure. Leave Message , Yellow Evan home , Sandbox[ 20:58, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Are IPs lacking accounts allowed to join the project? Just asking. --Dylan620 ( Home • yadda yadda yadda • Ooooohh!) 22:33, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
I Wouldnt off thought so as their IP Addresses change frequently but i am not sure. Jason Rees ( talk) 22:36, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
I have been working on 2006 PHS whit is rewrite and the season Impact and I also need some help so we can get a FT. Leave Message , Yellow Evan home , Sandbox[ 21:50, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Why was this merged? Leave Message , Yellow Evan home , Sandbox[ 22:09, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
So was Lowell. Its quality not quantity i agree it could be expanded a little but no enough to be merged. Leave Message , Yellow Evan home , Sandbox[ 22:55, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
Tropical Depression Seventeen-E (2008)
We have a lot of merge candidates. Someone keeps merging Odile when i am trying to make a point. Any thoughts? Make a list of your candites. Leave Message , Yellow Evan home , Sandbox[ 01:06, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Make your list, then what should be merge what what should not. Leave Message , Yellow Evan home , Sandbox[ 01:13, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Before GACing the 1983 Pacific typhoon season, I need someone with the knowledge to create the tracks of the two TDs located within the HKO report for early October and late November. Any help here is appreciated, even if it is to instruct me as to how to do it. Thegreatdr ( talk) 16:45, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
In some of the past Australian cyclone season articles (e.h. 1999-2000) is mentioned
however since now they maintain only one list for Perth, Darwin and Brisbane together the statement should be corrected to reflect that the statement was correct in the past seasons. Please one do this because if I did it myself I certainly would include a mess of grammar. ;-) -- Matthiasb ( talk) 14:43, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone know how to get the images from [2]] to wikipedia?-- Kirk76 1854 Atlantic Hurricane Season 01:30, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
for the am millionth time why cant we do articles for every storm in the EPAC? Leave Message , Yellow Evan home , Sandbox[ 02:08, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
There seems to be controversy in the 2008 Atlantic hurricane season article on the dissipation date of Hurricane Paloma. Going by the local time, it was 10pm on November 9, however, going by UTC it dissipated on November 10. I'm not sure if there is a preferred time but if there is, it needs to be more clearly stated so things like this don't continue. Cyclonebiskit ( talk) 17:54, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
I have now removed all the bolding from the Timelines Jason Rees ( talk) 02:08, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Which term is the right one for storms in the RSMC Nadi area? According to their website they issue
However, in their TC summary they call it Tropical Cyclone Season but also the New Zealand National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research f. ex. calls Guba a hurricane. Any ideas? -- Matthiasb ( talk) 12:53, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
This is acting weird, why are they so many storms (land impacting) that dont have articles Tara killed 500 in Mexiaco. Flossie is a stub folks, i wishes Flossie was a FA. Same with Tico. There is may storms that need articles. From the top my head there is Aridan 99, Jova 05, Estelle 84, Fausto 96, Boris 96, Trudy 90, Alma 90, Virgil 92, Hali 92, Yolanda 92, Hillary 05, Wene 00, Upana 00, Kristy 06, Olivia 94, Howard 04, Estelle 86, Doreen 77, Madeline 76, Annette 76, Katrina 67, Simone 68. Instead, we are try to do the 2006 PHS. Leave Message , Yellow Evan home , Sandbox Happy Veterans day 17:03, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Last night my article on Cyclone Elisa (2008) had its GA review and the only thing that was brought up was about the name Esau being retired after the 1991-92 SPac season and Elisa replacing it. As i could not find a source that said Esau was replaced with Elisa i had to remove it from the article. When i came on this afternoon to Wiki i saw that the reviewer seemed to be dissapointed that i had to take out so my question is does anyone know of any source that specfically says that Elisa replaced Esau? Jason Rees ( talk) 20:20, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
I have an new idea for the project page format.
Leave Message , Yellow Evan home , Sandbox Happy Veterans day 21:12, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
The first of the Pacific typhoon season articles appears complete enough to go through the GA process. Check out 1982 Pacific typhoon season and see what you think. The biggest question going forward is, "Do we need a complete summation of every TC in the lead, or a section thereafter, for the Pacific typhoon season series, or is a more general summary reasonable?" Thegreatdr ( talk) 16:35, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
I really wish the GA reviews for season articles were consistent from season to season, because Julian's and Dana's suggestions for the 1983 Pacific typhoon season don't fit project standards in regards to season summaries. For example, in the 1982 Pacific typhoon season article, a storm-by-storm summary was insisted upon by the reviewer per the project standards, which I abided by and it was raised to GA (now there are 3 PTS GAs.) In the 1939 Pacific typhoon season article, it is a very brief summation (which was what we originally had for the 1982 Pacific typhoon season article before the review.) In the 5 season articles I've tried to raise to GA, in 4 cases the reviewers insisted upon a storm-by-storm review. What are the project standards? Is the main project page obsolete or not? In short, have the standards changed or not? Thegreatdr ( talk) 22:30, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
After hink's recent response in the section above, and my search of my own talk archives and the first 12 of the project archives (time consuming,) it appears this problem hasn't been discussed yet. It has made sense the main units used in season and storm articles for the Western Hemisphere should have mph prominent over SI units, since the warning centers are based within the US, where imperial units are still commonly used. However, this is not true in the Eastern Hemisphere. I've been placing knots as the major unit for tropical cyclones in the Pacific typhoon season articles (since it is the most common nautical term), with convert templates shifting the values to km/h. Is this reasonable? I could see a real POV issue if we used mph in the Eastern Hemisphere, since the world outside the US has essentially embraced SI over imperial units. Thegreatdr ( talk) 16:20, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Also there is a problem with the mph in many articles, mainly when the Template:Convert is used. The wind speeds publsihed by the NHC are commonly rounded by 5 knots. Therefor converted into mph the result should be rounded by five. When one is using now mph as a base for converting into km/h the output can be wrong. Following are some values and there verification of that wrong way of convertig wind speeds (I just hope I haven't make mistakes).
So we must ever convert from the source data into the unit we need, i.e. knots directly into km/h and not via mph into km/h. Cocerning the use of mph in genereal I think to remember a discussion on one of the MOS pages some time ago. -- Matthiasb ( talk) 18:27, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Thats the way i prefer to do them and i have been doing it that way untill Hink moaned at me for using knots earlier this week Jason Rees ( talk) 19:26, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
I was having a look at the Infobox Hurricane. If we were to do an article for Tropical Cyclone Lee-Ariel or for Tropical Cyclone Bertie-Alvin we would either have to loose one of the centers Scales or have two infoboxes. Clearly both options are not acceptable so can we make an ammendment to the infobox hurricane to include both the Aus scale and the SWIO Scale as well as the SSHS when we have basin crossers Jason Rees ( talk) 00:55, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
As many of you may already know, there is an ongoing dispute over the level of importance of the 2008 Atlantic hurricane season. The current way to analyze a season's importance is by number of storms. However IP user 99.52.153.15, had brought up the point that the 2008 season has caused significant damage and being mid importance doesn't seem right. A good example just used was the 1992 season. Although the season was rather inactive, it was memorable in that the only major hurricane, Andrew, devastated southern Florida and part of Louisiana. There should be some adjustments made to determine how important a season really was. 2005 is, without a doubt, top importance. High importance seems to match up with seasons like 1933, 1969, 2004, and 2008 due to either the high level of activity or the impact caused by the storms. Mid level would be most other season as is already being done, and low would be seasons like 1914, where the season was minor in terms of impact and/or inactive. What are everyone else's thoughts on this? Cyclonebiskit ( talk) 02:33, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
The 1992 AHS was not a huge thing at all . It is a different story with the 1992 PHS (my favorite season of all time). Leave Message , Yellow Evan home , Sandbox Happy Veterans day 02:48, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
(edit conflict)The 1992 PHS is a huge deal which should be top the 1992 AHS should be Mid while Hurricane Andrew should be top . Leave Message , Yellow Evan home , Sandbox Happy Veterans day 03:12, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Cyclonebiskit ( talk) 15:18, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
My 2 cents without looking at the above, I feel that season articles must be weighed on the entire season, and compared only to its own basin. Perhaps that would be an objective criteria, in using the average damage/deaths per storm (season total divided by number of storms). Seasons that have one extraordinarily notable storm should probably be Mid-importance (no higher, I feel, if none of the other storms were notable). Overall, I don't think we should have very strict criteria. We know that the 2005 AHS is more important than 2006. If some criteria are needed, then we could do the outrageous route (albeit possibly a good move in this case, as suggested by our ol' pal Titoxd) of listing every season (split by basin), and putting them manually in order, and only then seeing what the dividing lines would be. For the Atlantic, it's very obvious that 1890 is toward the bottom of the list (as are several pre-1900 ones). I dunno. Is this discussion really that important (pun possibly intended)? ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk) 07:30, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
The JMA have finally put their Annual Tropical Cyclone Report for 2007 up on their website [ Here] Jason Rees ( talk) 17:11, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Is it just me or the quality of the TC rainfall images all of a sudden became horrible because the last time I looked they werent in such quality. Storm05 ( talk) 12:53, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
I have the same Storm05's problem. - Ramisses ( talk) 14:36, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
...within the 1994 Pacific typhoon season. Something about barski and bardat not jiving. I'm still new with their use. Thegreatdr ( talk) 21:14, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
This is not an article which will be published, but it will be more a thing for the project to use. User:Cyclonebiskit/2008 Global Cyclone season impact table is the article page. It's still being worked on but the bulk of it is done. The main reason as to why it wont be published is because of the RSMC's. The chart can only give info for one monitoring agency so I used the 1-min winds. The monthly totals are at the bottom of the page as well as a chart which is affected by the timeline bug. Feedback on this is appreciated. P.S. Don't edit the page without reasoning. I want to keep this a calm article which very few people edit so it's consistent. Cyclonebiskit ( talk) 20:01, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
It could be used. There has been an occasional talk of an article like Tropical cyclones in 2008. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk) 20:34, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
I belive it a concisenes to do articles for every storm in the Epac now. the polls are
Support (needs to be good too)
Julinancolton
Yellow Evan
Plasticup
Jdorje
Crazy C83
Titoxd
Oppose
Jason Rees
Itfc+canes=me
Elena85
Neutral
thegreatdr
Cyclonebiskit
Leave Message ,
Yellow Evan home , or
User:Yellow Evan/Sandbox
17:08, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
This topic has been talked to death. I removed my name, because I don't agree with it at all. If the content is well-written, the article of a reasonable length, and it is as comprehensive as possible/needed, then it can get an article. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk) 18:58, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
If you can create a good article, go for it. Just don't do all of them for the sake of doing all of them. This doesn't seem like a big deal. Don't "unmerge them this week"; this isn't a game, and there are no points for being first. Work on one at a time and make it good. -- Golbez ( talk) 20:36, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Leave Message , Yellow Evan home , User:Yellow Evan/Sandbox 02:17, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Soon after achieving GA around the beginning of September, the name of the Atlantic tropical cyclone article (changed to Atlantic tropical cyclones at the behest of a GA review and per common sense) was changed back to its original name, Atlantic hurricanes. There was a several day chat concerning the naming, and it appears the sentiment is for renaming the article with the title North Atlantic tropical cyclones. I'm posting a comment here to get more feedback over the next week before changing the name back. Thegreatdr ( talk) 13:22, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
I prefer the current title, primarily since it's the most concise. Most people don't even know the difference between hurricanes and tropical cyclones. Plus, we clarify right away that it includes Atlantic tropical storms; An Atlantic hurricane or tropical storm is a tropical cyclone that forms in the North Atlantic Ocean. It would be extremely redundant to say A North Atlantic tropical cyclone is a tropical cyclone that forms in the North Atlantic Ocean. We've gone over it dozens of times before, over the use of hurricane vs. tropical cyclone. I don't see a need to change it. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk) 18:43, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
The stormarchives have been (re)moved, f. ex. ftp://ftp.nhc.noaa.gov/pub/storm_archives/pacific/prelimep/ep1994/john/ seems not to exist anymore. Any hint where to seach now. Certainly a lot of articless are affected. -- Matthiasb ( talk) 17:35, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Well then. But the link above is from the Hurricane John (1994) article, as external link. -- Matthiasb ( talk) 21:49, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Within the Australian region Cyclone season 2007-08 all the names were either retired or removed from the lists. So should we be using the 2007 or the 2008 designation at the end of the titles? Jason Rees ( talk) 03:47, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
That article does use in the Impact section the link http://www4.ncdc.noaa.gov/cgi-win/wwcgi.dll?wwevent~ShowEvent~203411 as a reference, however this links to a not-related event. Could one knowing how to search that database please find the correct link. -- Matthiasb ( talk) 12:49, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
There are many storms that are listed as "low" importance but should be "mid" importance:
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Cyclonebiskit ( talk) 18:14, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
The following is a quote from the previous discussion on Article importance On a similar topic, why are we using "Very low" importance? Articles tagged with that are not being picked up by the WP:1.0 bot, and the classification gives minimal benefit at best. (Seriously, folks, the distinction between "low importance" and "Very low importance" is meaningless at best. Both say that the article is not one of our priorities, yet we still work on them because they're low-hanging fruit.) I have half a mind of TFD'ing the thing unless a very good reason for its existence is given (and "low" is already the bottom of the barrel...). Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 00:50, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
It's hard to compare storm to storm, it has to be compared to the standards. I've already expressed my thoughts on this and I'm not interested enough in this topic to express them again. What's done is done. Cyclonebiskit ( talk) 19:22, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
season. These storms should have less than 20 deaths.
For seasons:
Leave Message , Yellow Evan home , User:Yellow Evan/Sandbox
Simple proposal. Right now, we have a sub-category for almost every Mexican state, but hardly any of them are being used. They're clutter. I propose all of the categories be deleted, and replaced with Category:Pacific hurricanes in Mexico and Category:Atlantic hurricanes in Mexico. If further categorization is needed, then Baja California peninsula and Yucatan peninsula categories would probably be warranted. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk) 05:09, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Quick question before I continue. Should the category (let's say Category:Atlantic hurricanes in Mexico) be both a sub-cat of Hurricanes in Mexico and Atlantic hurricanes, or only of Hurricanes in Mexico? Remember, we don't have any articles actually linking to Category:Atlantic hurricanes (since we organized them by strength). ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk) 20:47, 27 November 2008 (UTC)