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User:Samuel Blanning made an excellent point on an Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Deal or No Deal (UK game show) records (second nomination) regarding verification of shows without reruns. This sounded like it might be a useful thought to consider for afd discussions on episode articles.
The issue is that verification should be reproducable by other editors. For most television series, you can use the actual episode itself as a reference for basic information because the episode is normally viewable in reruns, either as syndicated reruns or from a DVD. For example, if you wanted to verify information about an episode of The Sopranos, you could simply look up that episode on The Sopranos DVD collection for that season and watch it.
However, certain types of shows don't air regular reruns, such as soap operas, game shows and professional wrestling shows. So you can't simply point an editor to watch a rerun of an episode because that might not be possible. Therefore, instead, you need to refer the person to something that they can find, such as a news article about that particular episode. Some episodes or parts of episodes might be included on a DVD, such as a wrestling pay-per-view or a "best of" collection for a game show or soap opera. In those cases, referring to the DVD as a source probably would work.
So do you guys think it would be worth including a note in a TV-related guideline that "shows which do not air regular repeats require references to accessible information", or something like that? This would possibly give some consistency in how to handle afds for television episode articles and things like articles about soap opera or wrestling storylines. Dugwiki 20:23, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
The above referenced article is being considered as a candidate for the Article Improvement Drive. Any editor who would be interested in helping to improve this article should indicate their support there. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 15:11, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Where would I make a request for a rating of a TV series article to get it on the assessment scale? Theres doesnt seem to be a clear page to do so, as there is for biographies - • The Giant Puffin • 16:16, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Is there a page that deals with reliable sources for television shows? I'm having a debate about what's "reliable", and the other individual dismisses all personal interviews with actors and creators; so, I was wondering if there was a place that actually discussed this. Maybe I'm missing something about not using interviews, or maybe I can direct them somewhere. Sorry if this isn't the correct place for that type of question. Any help is directing me will be appreciated. Thank. Bignole 17:21, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
On the main page we have the {{ Infobox TV ratings}} template. It's used on a number of TV show articles, but it is fundamentally problematic ( the reason why the information wasn't allowed in the Infobox Television). I was thinking about adding something like this to the WP:TV recommendations.
I'm also thinking we should change the caption of that template to show that it's an indication and add a similar warning to the "usage description" of the template. TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 17:37, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Can an expert on Family Guy help clean up these cruft lists? I realize Family Guy refers to many popular things (known as pop culture references, or simply cultural references), but it's not notable to list them all. I've tagged many of the articles for too much trivia: which the references clearly are. For a full list of episodes (which I'm sure most have huge lists of cultural references/trivia): Category:Family Guy episodes. This is a good example of why television episode articles shouldn't be on Wikipedia: cluttered lists of fan cruft that doesn't get cleaned, just added on to. RobJ1981 07:18, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
I found this article randomly; I don't know what to do with it ( Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_an_indiscriminate_collection_of_information, delete? not-notable?) So I thought someone here should have a look. Thanks - Ozzykhan 23:49, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know where I can find old Nielsen ratings for TV episodes? - Peregrine Fisher 04:18, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Template:Spoiler-season has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. thanks/ Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 15:53, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Smallville has just had a peer review request, and I'm sure that all regular editors for that article would appreciate any feedback from the Wikiproject TV editors. Thank you. BIGNOLE (Question?) (What I do) 03:41, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Abyssinia, Henry has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Gnan garra 14:49, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
I've just started a peer review for Cold Feet. Any helpful comments and suggestions are welcomed. WindsorFan 13:40, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello. I was wondering whether someone from the project could help untangle the mess at Video Justice. There seems to be a conflict as to whether this is a Spike TV or a Court TV show. Unclear to me whether both stations have different versions of the same show or whether there are two completely distinct shows. The latter would probably require a split and a disambig page. In any case, if anyone takes 15 minutes to work this out I'd be grateful (especially if you also categorize the article properly). Thanks, Pascal.Tesson 02:52, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
How can we add obvious allusions in TV shows? What if it is really obvious? Are there reliable sources that list allusions? - Peregrine Fisher 08:14, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I've suggested a number of changes to the {{ Infobox Television}} on its talk page because it has far too many arguments, IMO. Thoughts? - Elizabennet | talk 03:29, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
This was due to a recent AfD in which someone asked Jimbo what he thought of episode articles. User_talk:Jimbo_Wales/Archive_17#Television_episodes It's just a comment, not a guideline or veto or anything, but i think it's good to keep in mind and usefull to archive in this project. TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 17:35, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
I point you in the direction of this pages history, the editor seems to be under the impression that IMDb is a reliable source and speculation is acceptable. I can only put this down to naiveness and failure to read quoted guidelines/policies. thanks/ Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 19:44, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Ned Scott recently move WP:LOE into this project and made it a task force. I guess we should do the same for WP:TVE. I suggest to reorder the main project page. My proposal:
Expand the lead a bit, then:
Move the list of templates and categories to be used to the various relevant "subpages" of the project. Condense all the Project banners into one. TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 20:19, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
I know this seems like a small issue but there are currently two different trends of dealing with canceled shows, either in past tense (Seinfeld was an American sitcom etc) or present tense (Seinfeld is an American sitcom etc) and I think it would be good to reach consensus either way since I've seen discussions of it on several talk pages (sometimes referring to a consensus/established convention). Personally I think it should be present tense. First, "was" connotes that the series has ceased to be a television show/has become something else. Second, because we still refer to other media in the present tense even after they have completed production (films, books, plays, albums, etc). Please let me know if this has already been discussed in the archives. Thanks. -- TM 23:34, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Removed cfdnotice, cfd has completed. -- Kbdank71 14:54, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Note: Although the above category doesn't in fact exist, it is the header under which the discussion is located, so the discussion link will work. -- BlueSquadron Raven 05:03, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello all. I currently have the article on Nigel Kneale, an important and prolific British television writer, up on peer review, where it hasn't attracted many responses thus far. I'm hoping to put it up for featured article candidacy after the review ends, and would very much appreciate any feedback on how I could improve it before that. So I thought I'd post here to see if anybody's willing to give it the once over and post some feedback on the review? Cheers. Angmering 12:19, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
A user re-added a trivia section of two bullets after the first point had been merged to the lead-in and the second removed per the talk page. Anyone got any comments on this? thanks/ Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 13:53, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
-- evrik ( talk) 16:47, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Random observation: Some of these contestants may be notable enough -- apart from their appearance on Survivor -- to merit their own articles (e.g. Tyler MacNiven). Others may not (e.g. James Branaman).-- Vbd | ( talk) 15:11, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
A small battle has developed around The O.C. over whether TV show articles should refer to a cancelled show as present or past tense. See Talk:The O.C.#Is not Was!.
The intro sentence choices from The O.C. are ... or were? :-) :
Therefore, some consensus is sought on what verb tense should apply to articles for TV shows that are no longer in production. If there is consensus, the end state should result in a guideline on the project page.
Please cast votes and comments under the appropriate WAS, IS or OTHER subheadings. Examples of TV show articles using either usage can also be added under the appropriate headings. As always, please sign your entries with the magic ~~~~.
Dl2000 15:10, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
I was assessing articles for WikiProject Baseball when I came across Ratings for Major League Baseball on ABC telecasts. Similar articles exist for each major American network. My instinct was to AfD them, but I thought I'd post here first and see if there was a precedent for this sort of article.
My thought is that they're indiscriminate information because they don't have a context. For instance, a discussion of the decline in Lost's ratings would be appropriate in the show's article, but an article consisting of nothing but a ratings chart would be unencyclopedic. If it were an article containing nothing but a chart of baseball stats, I'd AfD it without question, but I'd like some outside opinion, since I don't regularly edit TV articles. Thanks, and sorry if this is a silly question that's been dealt with thoroughly somewhere else. -- Djrobgordon 11:07, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Thought I would mention the WikiProject reform proposal out now, as it would greatly help us better organize all those show-specific WikiProjects with WP:TV. So feel free to take a look, give feedback, and spread the word. -- Ned Scott 09:36, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Which should go first, the Cast and Crew or the Plot/Season overview go first on a show page? Rabbethan 07:00, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm looking to creatng a Task Force for both The Amazing Race and for Survivor seasons (as opposed to a separate WP), and while the main WP TV page strongly suggests this, I don't see any instructions for how to propose one or start one in the various documentation off of it (unless I'm missing something obvious). Any pointers for where to start to look into this? -- Masem 01:40, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm interested in making a standard sortable filmography table to be used for actors, directors, etc. Someone tried to do this before, and it failed at Wikipedia:Filmographies, although I'm not sure why. I wanted to see if I could make one that looks like imdb, and I did here. It could be made to look like whatever, I just think standardization would be a good idea. I created an RfC about this a while ago at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Filmography, so I'm starting to have a good idea of what people want in general, but I don't know how they would like the actual table to look. So, how should it look? - Peregrine Fisher 23:30, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I note that many US television station articles have primetime television schedules, and I believe that is also true for articles on tv stations of some other countries, such as Australia. I have been removing such material from NZ tv stations, after putting up such material for AfD about six months ago. See this archive. Given that WP:NOT#DIR, point 3 explicitly disallows such material, why do we have it. Do I have support to remove it. An example is NBC#Current_schedule.
This has certainly been discussed before, but part of the discussion has been around copyright issues. See, for example, this AN/I discussion. I'd like to get feedback on whether we should have this material assuming no copyright issues arise.- gadfium 08:36, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Holy crap that NBC page looks ugly. I indeed think that such information is a "not a directory"-case. But i have to think about it a bit more as to what is appropriate in such a page and what is not. -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 16:00, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Here are some more examples: USA: ABC, CBS, Fox, Australia: ABC, Channel Nine.- gadfium 20:11, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, according to WP:EL, which someone just hurled at me, we're not supposed to link to sites which exist primarily to sell products or services, and it looks to me like this is exactly what those sites are doing: selling television product. Cryptonymius 21:22, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Beyond the problem of simple maintenance, I can't see any reason why we can't display all the regularly scheduled primetime programs on television networks. I would oppose displaying ad-hoc programming however. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 00:15, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
I concur that there is little wrong with reporting which programs are currently airing primetime. Past problems have been with pages that showed the schedule of all channels, without commentary, not with representing a channels current airing routines. However, I do have a problem with the way this is currently presented on these network pages. -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 14:55, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm not seeing consensus here. This leaves me in an awkward position. I've been removing such tables from New Zealand television network articles, citing the WP:NOT#DIR policy as above, and when the tables are in templates, putting those templates up for MFD (see the archive link above if you want details). Those MFD's resulted in the templates being deleted. I feel I have strong precedent to remove such material from New Zealand tv articles, but I'd like a better counter argument than WP:ALLORNOTHING when people object to me removing what they've added when they can see similar schedules in other articles.
Should I just give up on this issue, and stop removing such schedules; maybe even reinstate those that weren't deleted via MFD? Should I continue to enforce policy as I see it on the NZ articles, and ignore the contradictions? The third alternative, to go and remove the schedules from other articles, would clearly start a battle, and I don't feel nearly strongly enough about the issue to do that.- gadfium 22:07, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Sorry to bring up an old topic, but to be encyclopedic shouldn't airing times be placed on the program/series pages, i.e. "House airs Tuesdays at 2030 on TV3 (New Zealand), ???? at ???? on ???? (United Kingdom), (I believe this is common practise already) it's fair enough listing "Popular programs that have aired recently on 'channel'", but not a weekly EPG. -- NigelJ talk 10:47, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
I personally designed and the Australian and New Zealand schedules, and I also maintain and update them when necassary. The previous schedule on Australian television channel schedules contained episodic content and also one-off event programming. However in February this year the schedules where altered to enhance their encyclopedic value, this was achieved by removing episodic content and also one-off event programming, and replacing it with simple programming timeslot information with links to the official schedule. In my opinion the United States television network schedules contain too much non-encyclopic information and are too specific. They also contain future programming timeslots and programming times to-the-minute. These schedules should be altered similarly to Australian schedules. In regards to the design of the schedule, the design for the Australian schedule was so that it aesthetically matched infoboxes. Also the use of subtle pastels helps reduce its presense in an article, and allows for simpler distinct contrasts in colours. Also, the genres of programs with the Australian schedules is another feature that is distinct to the American schedule. The American schedule uses over-specific genre information (i.e. returning reality shows are in yellow). This is in contrast to Australian schedules which emphasise less on timing. In conclusion the schedules are useful as they add encyclopedic content that also refers readers back to the main programming sections of article. They also give the reader a sense of the target audience of the channel, and also its genre prodominance. Stickeylabel 08:40, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Categories were established to define the "life span" of television programs:
For example, a program whose original episodes ran from 1972 to 1983 would be categorised:
The cancellation categories recently survived a deletion vote at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_February_9#Category:Television_program_cancellations_by_year. However, some objections have been raised since some series such as Star Trek: Deep Space Nine or M*A*S*H (TV series) were not cancelled by broadcasters as commonly done, but rather cancelled by the producers.
The definition as seen in Category:Television program cancellations by year allows inclusion of producer-cancelled shows as well as the usual programmer-cancelled ones, strictly intended as an end of series marker without debating how and by whom a series was terminated.
We should get consensus regarding these category names (Keep or Rename). Dl2000 00:41, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
I've nominated Template:TVep for deletion, Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2007_March_12#Template:TVep. Matthew 16:28, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Please comment in the discussion created at Wikipedia talk:Lists (stand-alone lists)#Lists of fictional characters by series.-- SeizureDog 08:59, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Like user Masem above I'm interested in and considering setting up a new Wikiproject or task force - in my own case concerning the 1960's era science fiction television series 'The Time Tunnel'. Like Masem I'n not quite sure how to proceed, though from the info on WP:TV it would seem the favored way to do this would be a task force under WP:TV or perhaps WP Project:Science Fiction. Probably one of the first items would be to assess the interest in such a project by other editors as I won't waste the time tackling it if there is none. Any information or comments would be appreciated as would expressions of interest from possible TT task force editors. thank you. Wikidenizen 14:06, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I've put Untitled 16th episode of Lost season 3 up for deletion: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Untitled_16th_episode_of_Lost_season_3 I'm sure i'll get flamed into the ground by some people, but I believe that this is just a bad idea for wikipedia, and that any such thing should be speedy deleted in the future. -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 23:27, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
There is currently a dispute on multiple fronts in regards to tenses, per WP:MOS creative works are ( WP:TENSE). Applicable pages: The Vicar of Dibley, Only Fools and Horses, Triangle (TV series), Eldorado (TV series), Crossroads (TV series) and Ever Decreasing Circles. --Matthew
A link to the I Spy Forum recently was deleted from the I Spy article by ST47. Per ST47's comment here, I set up a proposal to added the I Spy Forum link to the I Spy article here. That talk page does not get any traffic so please consider participating in this proposal. -- Jreferee 21:37, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Just a heads up that, due to some complaints about the ambiguity in the title, I have put up an umbrella cfd rename nomination for Category:Television program cancellations by year to become "Television program series endings by year". The reason is that even though the category's description clearly indicates it is intended to include all program ending years regardless of the reason, some people are taking the category title to mean "involuntary cancellation" and refusing to include the category in certain articles.
So in the interest of clarity and compromise the category and all its subcategories are up for renaming at cfd. See Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 March 22#Category:Television program cancellations by year for the cfd discussion and please feel free to voice your approval or disapproval or other comments at that thread. So far the response has been positive, so hopefully once the rename occurs it will resolve the issue to everybody's satisfaction. Dugwiki 18:00, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
P.S. Note that this change was also discussed a little bit ago on this thread, but apparently nobody followed up and actually made the cfd nominations to actually do it. This makes the rename proposal "official". Dugwiki 18:02, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm a little confused about the proper name for an article. Currently, the 70s television series about the Incredible Hulk, starring Bill Bixby, is named The Incredible Hulk (1978 TV series). There are 2 other series articles, both are animated. So I'm curious as to whether the live action series should be delegated by year, or if it should be named The Incredible Hulk (TV series). If it needs a year, should it get the year of the pilot or the year in which it became "a show". The thing about this program was that it started out as a television movie in 1977, followed by another 2 hour show a week after that one aired. Then, "the series" began on March 10, 1978. Should it be referred to by the date the first show aired, or by the date that it became an official television series? BIGNOLE (Contact me) 02:10, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Hmmm, that was one assumption that I had when I saw one of the "animated" pages. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 18:57, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
As per the to do list I've been assessing some of the articles in Category:Unassessed television articles. I've found that some categories like Category talk:1940s American television series are tagged with {{TelevisionWikiProject}}. Is the tag appropriate as these categories are not strictly articles? Should we have a separate tag template for the talk pages of categories that relate to the project?-- Opark 77 22:20, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. I've assessed all the categories on that were in Category:Unassessed television articles.-- Opark 77 22:51, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Sortable episode list format being tested, see Talk:List of The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya episodes#Sortable episode format. -- Ned Scott 19:21, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
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Archive 1 | ← | Archive 3 | Archive 4 | Archive 5 | Archive 6 | Archive 7 | → | Archive 10 |
User:Samuel Blanning made an excellent point on an Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Deal or No Deal (UK game show) records (second nomination) regarding verification of shows without reruns. This sounded like it might be a useful thought to consider for afd discussions on episode articles.
The issue is that verification should be reproducable by other editors. For most television series, you can use the actual episode itself as a reference for basic information because the episode is normally viewable in reruns, either as syndicated reruns or from a DVD. For example, if you wanted to verify information about an episode of The Sopranos, you could simply look up that episode on The Sopranos DVD collection for that season and watch it.
However, certain types of shows don't air regular reruns, such as soap operas, game shows and professional wrestling shows. So you can't simply point an editor to watch a rerun of an episode because that might not be possible. Therefore, instead, you need to refer the person to something that they can find, such as a news article about that particular episode. Some episodes or parts of episodes might be included on a DVD, such as a wrestling pay-per-view or a "best of" collection for a game show or soap opera. In those cases, referring to the DVD as a source probably would work.
So do you guys think it would be worth including a note in a TV-related guideline that "shows which do not air regular repeats require references to accessible information", or something like that? This would possibly give some consistency in how to handle afds for television episode articles and things like articles about soap opera or wrestling storylines. Dugwiki 20:23, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
The above referenced article is being considered as a candidate for the Article Improvement Drive. Any editor who would be interested in helping to improve this article should indicate their support there. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 15:11, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Where would I make a request for a rating of a TV series article to get it on the assessment scale? Theres doesnt seem to be a clear page to do so, as there is for biographies - • The Giant Puffin • 16:16, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Is there a page that deals with reliable sources for television shows? I'm having a debate about what's "reliable", and the other individual dismisses all personal interviews with actors and creators; so, I was wondering if there was a place that actually discussed this. Maybe I'm missing something about not using interviews, or maybe I can direct them somewhere. Sorry if this isn't the correct place for that type of question. Any help is directing me will be appreciated. Thank. Bignole 17:21, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
On the main page we have the {{ Infobox TV ratings}} template. It's used on a number of TV show articles, but it is fundamentally problematic ( the reason why the information wasn't allowed in the Infobox Television). I was thinking about adding something like this to the WP:TV recommendations.
I'm also thinking we should change the caption of that template to show that it's an indication and add a similar warning to the "usage description" of the template. TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 17:37, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Can an expert on Family Guy help clean up these cruft lists? I realize Family Guy refers to many popular things (known as pop culture references, or simply cultural references), but it's not notable to list them all. I've tagged many of the articles for too much trivia: which the references clearly are. For a full list of episodes (which I'm sure most have huge lists of cultural references/trivia): Category:Family Guy episodes. This is a good example of why television episode articles shouldn't be on Wikipedia: cluttered lists of fan cruft that doesn't get cleaned, just added on to. RobJ1981 07:18, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
I found this article randomly; I don't know what to do with it ( Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_an_indiscriminate_collection_of_information, delete? not-notable?) So I thought someone here should have a look. Thanks - Ozzykhan 23:49, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know where I can find old Nielsen ratings for TV episodes? - Peregrine Fisher 04:18, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Template:Spoiler-season has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. thanks/ Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 15:53, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Smallville has just had a peer review request, and I'm sure that all regular editors for that article would appreciate any feedback from the Wikiproject TV editors. Thank you. BIGNOLE (Question?) (What I do) 03:41, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Abyssinia, Henry has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Gnan garra 14:49, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
I've just started a peer review for Cold Feet. Any helpful comments and suggestions are welcomed. WindsorFan 13:40, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello. I was wondering whether someone from the project could help untangle the mess at Video Justice. There seems to be a conflict as to whether this is a Spike TV or a Court TV show. Unclear to me whether both stations have different versions of the same show or whether there are two completely distinct shows. The latter would probably require a split and a disambig page. In any case, if anyone takes 15 minutes to work this out I'd be grateful (especially if you also categorize the article properly). Thanks, Pascal.Tesson 02:52, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
How can we add obvious allusions in TV shows? What if it is really obvious? Are there reliable sources that list allusions? - Peregrine Fisher 08:14, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I've suggested a number of changes to the {{ Infobox Television}} on its talk page because it has far too many arguments, IMO. Thoughts? - Elizabennet | talk 03:29, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
This was due to a recent AfD in which someone asked Jimbo what he thought of episode articles. User_talk:Jimbo_Wales/Archive_17#Television_episodes It's just a comment, not a guideline or veto or anything, but i think it's good to keep in mind and usefull to archive in this project. TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 17:35, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
I point you in the direction of this pages history, the editor seems to be under the impression that IMDb is a reliable source and speculation is acceptable. I can only put this down to naiveness and failure to read quoted guidelines/policies. thanks/ Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 19:44, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Ned Scott recently move WP:LOE into this project and made it a task force. I guess we should do the same for WP:TVE. I suggest to reorder the main project page. My proposal:
Expand the lead a bit, then:
Move the list of templates and categories to be used to the various relevant "subpages" of the project. Condense all the Project banners into one. TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 20:19, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
I know this seems like a small issue but there are currently two different trends of dealing with canceled shows, either in past tense (Seinfeld was an American sitcom etc) or present tense (Seinfeld is an American sitcom etc) and I think it would be good to reach consensus either way since I've seen discussions of it on several talk pages (sometimes referring to a consensus/established convention). Personally I think it should be present tense. First, "was" connotes that the series has ceased to be a television show/has become something else. Second, because we still refer to other media in the present tense even after they have completed production (films, books, plays, albums, etc). Please let me know if this has already been discussed in the archives. Thanks. -- TM 23:34, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Removed cfdnotice, cfd has completed. -- Kbdank71 14:54, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Note: Although the above category doesn't in fact exist, it is the header under which the discussion is located, so the discussion link will work. -- BlueSquadron Raven 05:03, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello all. I currently have the article on Nigel Kneale, an important and prolific British television writer, up on peer review, where it hasn't attracted many responses thus far. I'm hoping to put it up for featured article candidacy after the review ends, and would very much appreciate any feedback on how I could improve it before that. So I thought I'd post here to see if anybody's willing to give it the once over and post some feedback on the review? Cheers. Angmering 12:19, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
A user re-added a trivia section of two bullets after the first point had been merged to the lead-in and the second removed per the talk page. Anyone got any comments on this? thanks/ Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 13:53, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
-- evrik ( talk) 16:47, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Random observation: Some of these contestants may be notable enough -- apart from their appearance on Survivor -- to merit their own articles (e.g. Tyler MacNiven). Others may not (e.g. James Branaman).-- Vbd | ( talk) 15:11, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
A small battle has developed around The O.C. over whether TV show articles should refer to a cancelled show as present or past tense. See Talk:The O.C.#Is not Was!.
The intro sentence choices from The O.C. are ... or were? :-) :
Therefore, some consensus is sought on what verb tense should apply to articles for TV shows that are no longer in production. If there is consensus, the end state should result in a guideline on the project page.
Please cast votes and comments under the appropriate WAS, IS or OTHER subheadings. Examples of TV show articles using either usage can also be added under the appropriate headings. As always, please sign your entries with the magic ~~~~.
Dl2000 15:10, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
I was assessing articles for WikiProject Baseball when I came across Ratings for Major League Baseball on ABC telecasts. Similar articles exist for each major American network. My instinct was to AfD them, but I thought I'd post here first and see if there was a precedent for this sort of article.
My thought is that they're indiscriminate information because they don't have a context. For instance, a discussion of the decline in Lost's ratings would be appropriate in the show's article, but an article consisting of nothing but a ratings chart would be unencyclopedic. If it were an article containing nothing but a chart of baseball stats, I'd AfD it without question, but I'd like some outside opinion, since I don't regularly edit TV articles. Thanks, and sorry if this is a silly question that's been dealt with thoroughly somewhere else. -- Djrobgordon 11:07, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Thought I would mention the WikiProject reform proposal out now, as it would greatly help us better organize all those show-specific WikiProjects with WP:TV. So feel free to take a look, give feedback, and spread the word. -- Ned Scott 09:36, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Which should go first, the Cast and Crew or the Plot/Season overview go first on a show page? Rabbethan 07:00, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm looking to creatng a Task Force for both The Amazing Race and for Survivor seasons (as opposed to a separate WP), and while the main WP TV page strongly suggests this, I don't see any instructions for how to propose one or start one in the various documentation off of it (unless I'm missing something obvious). Any pointers for where to start to look into this? -- Masem 01:40, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm interested in making a standard sortable filmography table to be used for actors, directors, etc. Someone tried to do this before, and it failed at Wikipedia:Filmographies, although I'm not sure why. I wanted to see if I could make one that looks like imdb, and I did here. It could be made to look like whatever, I just think standardization would be a good idea. I created an RfC about this a while ago at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Filmography, so I'm starting to have a good idea of what people want in general, but I don't know how they would like the actual table to look. So, how should it look? - Peregrine Fisher 23:30, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I note that many US television station articles have primetime television schedules, and I believe that is also true for articles on tv stations of some other countries, such as Australia. I have been removing such material from NZ tv stations, after putting up such material for AfD about six months ago. See this archive. Given that WP:NOT#DIR, point 3 explicitly disallows such material, why do we have it. Do I have support to remove it. An example is NBC#Current_schedule.
This has certainly been discussed before, but part of the discussion has been around copyright issues. See, for example, this AN/I discussion. I'd like to get feedback on whether we should have this material assuming no copyright issues arise.- gadfium 08:36, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Holy crap that NBC page looks ugly. I indeed think that such information is a "not a directory"-case. But i have to think about it a bit more as to what is appropriate in such a page and what is not. -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 16:00, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Here are some more examples: USA: ABC, CBS, Fox, Australia: ABC, Channel Nine.- gadfium 20:11, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, according to WP:EL, which someone just hurled at me, we're not supposed to link to sites which exist primarily to sell products or services, and it looks to me like this is exactly what those sites are doing: selling television product. Cryptonymius 21:22, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Beyond the problem of simple maintenance, I can't see any reason why we can't display all the regularly scheduled primetime programs on television networks. I would oppose displaying ad-hoc programming however. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 00:15, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
I concur that there is little wrong with reporting which programs are currently airing primetime. Past problems have been with pages that showed the schedule of all channels, without commentary, not with representing a channels current airing routines. However, I do have a problem with the way this is currently presented on these network pages. -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 14:55, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm not seeing consensus here. This leaves me in an awkward position. I've been removing such tables from New Zealand television network articles, citing the WP:NOT#DIR policy as above, and when the tables are in templates, putting those templates up for MFD (see the archive link above if you want details). Those MFD's resulted in the templates being deleted. I feel I have strong precedent to remove such material from New Zealand tv articles, but I'd like a better counter argument than WP:ALLORNOTHING when people object to me removing what they've added when they can see similar schedules in other articles.
Should I just give up on this issue, and stop removing such schedules; maybe even reinstate those that weren't deleted via MFD? Should I continue to enforce policy as I see it on the NZ articles, and ignore the contradictions? The third alternative, to go and remove the schedules from other articles, would clearly start a battle, and I don't feel nearly strongly enough about the issue to do that.- gadfium 22:07, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Sorry to bring up an old topic, but to be encyclopedic shouldn't airing times be placed on the program/series pages, i.e. "House airs Tuesdays at 2030 on TV3 (New Zealand), ???? at ???? on ???? (United Kingdom), (I believe this is common practise already) it's fair enough listing "Popular programs that have aired recently on 'channel'", but not a weekly EPG. -- NigelJ talk 10:47, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
I personally designed and the Australian and New Zealand schedules, and I also maintain and update them when necassary. The previous schedule on Australian television channel schedules contained episodic content and also one-off event programming. However in February this year the schedules where altered to enhance their encyclopedic value, this was achieved by removing episodic content and also one-off event programming, and replacing it with simple programming timeslot information with links to the official schedule. In my opinion the United States television network schedules contain too much non-encyclopic information and are too specific. They also contain future programming timeslots and programming times to-the-minute. These schedules should be altered similarly to Australian schedules. In regards to the design of the schedule, the design for the Australian schedule was so that it aesthetically matched infoboxes. Also the use of subtle pastels helps reduce its presense in an article, and allows for simpler distinct contrasts in colours. Also, the genres of programs with the Australian schedules is another feature that is distinct to the American schedule. The American schedule uses over-specific genre information (i.e. returning reality shows are in yellow). This is in contrast to Australian schedules which emphasise less on timing. In conclusion the schedules are useful as they add encyclopedic content that also refers readers back to the main programming sections of article. They also give the reader a sense of the target audience of the channel, and also its genre prodominance. Stickeylabel 08:40, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Categories were established to define the "life span" of television programs:
For example, a program whose original episodes ran from 1972 to 1983 would be categorised:
The cancellation categories recently survived a deletion vote at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_February_9#Category:Television_program_cancellations_by_year. However, some objections have been raised since some series such as Star Trek: Deep Space Nine or M*A*S*H (TV series) were not cancelled by broadcasters as commonly done, but rather cancelled by the producers.
The definition as seen in Category:Television program cancellations by year allows inclusion of producer-cancelled shows as well as the usual programmer-cancelled ones, strictly intended as an end of series marker without debating how and by whom a series was terminated.
We should get consensus regarding these category names (Keep or Rename). Dl2000 00:41, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
I've nominated Template:TVep for deletion, Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2007_March_12#Template:TVep. Matthew 16:28, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Please comment in the discussion created at Wikipedia talk:Lists (stand-alone lists)#Lists of fictional characters by series.-- SeizureDog 08:59, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Like user Masem above I'm interested in and considering setting up a new Wikiproject or task force - in my own case concerning the 1960's era science fiction television series 'The Time Tunnel'. Like Masem I'n not quite sure how to proceed, though from the info on WP:TV it would seem the favored way to do this would be a task force under WP:TV or perhaps WP Project:Science Fiction. Probably one of the first items would be to assess the interest in such a project by other editors as I won't waste the time tackling it if there is none. Any information or comments would be appreciated as would expressions of interest from possible TT task force editors. thank you. Wikidenizen 14:06, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I've put Untitled 16th episode of Lost season 3 up for deletion: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Untitled_16th_episode_of_Lost_season_3 I'm sure i'll get flamed into the ground by some people, but I believe that this is just a bad idea for wikipedia, and that any such thing should be speedy deleted in the future. -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 23:27, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
There is currently a dispute on multiple fronts in regards to tenses, per WP:MOS creative works are ( WP:TENSE). Applicable pages: The Vicar of Dibley, Only Fools and Horses, Triangle (TV series), Eldorado (TV series), Crossroads (TV series) and Ever Decreasing Circles. --Matthew
A link to the I Spy Forum recently was deleted from the I Spy article by ST47. Per ST47's comment here, I set up a proposal to added the I Spy Forum link to the I Spy article here. That talk page does not get any traffic so please consider participating in this proposal. -- Jreferee 21:37, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Just a heads up that, due to some complaints about the ambiguity in the title, I have put up an umbrella cfd rename nomination for Category:Television program cancellations by year to become "Television program series endings by year". The reason is that even though the category's description clearly indicates it is intended to include all program ending years regardless of the reason, some people are taking the category title to mean "involuntary cancellation" and refusing to include the category in certain articles.
So in the interest of clarity and compromise the category and all its subcategories are up for renaming at cfd. See Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 March 22#Category:Television program cancellations by year for the cfd discussion and please feel free to voice your approval or disapproval or other comments at that thread. So far the response has been positive, so hopefully once the rename occurs it will resolve the issue to everybody's satisfaction. Dugwiki 18:00, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
P.S. Note that this change was also discussed a little bit ago on this thread, but apparently nobody followed up and actually made the cfd nominations to actually do it. This makes the rename proposal "official". Dugwiki 18:02, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm a little confused about the proper name for an article. Currently, the 70s television series about the Incredible Hulk, starring Bill Bixby, is named The Incredible Hulk (1978 TV series). There are 2 other series articles, both are animated. So I'm curious as to whether the live action series should be delegated by year, or if it should be named The Incredible Hulk (TV series). If it needs a year, should it get the year of the pilot or the year in which it became "a show". The thing about this program was that it started out as a television movie in 1977, followed by another 2 hour show a week after that one aired. Then, "the series" began on March 10, 1978. Should it be referred to by the date the first show aired, or by the date that it became an official television series? BIGNOLE (Contact me) 02:10, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Hmmm, that was one assumption that I had when I saw one of the "animated" pages. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 18:57, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
As per the to do list I've been assessing some of the articles in Category:Unassessed television articles. I've found that some categories like Category talk:1940s American television series are tagged with {{TelevisionWikiProject}}. Is the tag appropriate as these categories are not strictly articles? Should we have a separate tag template for the talk pages of categories that relate to the project?-- Opark 77 22:20, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. I've assessed all the categories on that were in Category:Unassessed television articles.-- Opark 77 22:51, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Sortable episode list format being tested, see Talk:List of The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya episodes#Sortable episode format. -- Ned Scott 19:21, 31 March 2007 (UTC)