The article states that his religion is Christian. However, multiple sources on the web denote that he was born a Hindu and still practices this, being particularly fond of worship of Lord Subrahmanya (Lord Murugan). Particularly, the US Pacific Command's assessment of him, listed as the first external link, discusses this. Perhaps this should be changed.
0seeker0 ( talk) 08:28, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
The bluebox was removed two days ago with a user noting that nobody (Basically besides me) edits the page and there really is no issue with neutrality on the page or even content. For that reason I find it peculiar that SebastianHelm removed it when it (prior to today) had no mention on this page. Pectore talk 01:48, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
On the right hand side box of the LTTE article, it is mentioned that one of its ideology is socialism. It is not correct by looking at this article [5]. See comments about 1977 elections.- Iross1000 ( talk) 07:42, 13 January 2009 (UTC).
Kindly ensure that this article is not used as a Daily Mirror promotion cite.
Also ensure that one unsupported viewpoint that government is responsible for the killing from dominating it. This is attempted by citing opinions pieces in various media sources that do not cite evidence. Opinions are opinions made with bias. If quotation of one opinion is allowed, quotes from opposing opinions should also be allowed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.231.112.134 ( talk) 20:24, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
A lot of activity is going on in this article, some good some bad. In my view it needs a Blue box on it. Kanatonian ( talk) 22:20, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
His name is misspelt it should be Lasantha Wickrematunge [6] 86.31.99.23 ( talk) 16:50, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
that link has two different spellings, one on the red banner, and a different one in the text. Jasy jatere ( talk) 17:41, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
DYK admin would like to remove it before putting it up on the DYK page. What do you gusy think ? Kanatonian ( talk) 16:56, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
BBC World Service just sent a report on Wickramatunga, in which they announced there would be a special feature about him at 12h GMT, but I couldn't find it at http://search.bbc.co.uk/search?tab=all&q=Wickramatunga. — Sebastian 09:05, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Can we have a peer review (within the project I mean) on the Battle of Kilinochchi (2008–2009) article? If so, what is the way to go about it? I've been working on the article for the past few days, and any help and advice would be appreciated on improving it and pointing out any mistake/bias. Chamal talk 07:16, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
There was an edit war at Bruce Fein about inserting the link http://www.defence.lk/new.asp?fname=20080605_12. I think this is noticeable; it doesn't happen very often that an American lawyer gets accused of supporting terrorists by the government of another country. I propose that we add this incident (with correct attribution), along with the reply, which I found at http://www.tamileelamnews.com/news/publish/tns_9429.shtml. How reliable is tamileelamnews.com? I could not find a page that represents Mr Fein directly. What would be a fair summary of the rebuttal? — Sebastian 02:36, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
“ | The Tamil Tigers seek a secessionist state in the northern and eastern provinces of Sri Lanka through terrorism. Characteristic of like organizations, the LTTE undertakes auxiliary activities that strengthen its terrorist torso and sweeten its public face: political organizing and advocacy; diplomacy; social services and humanitarian aid; economic development; establishment of a quasi-government on the Jaffna Peninsula; and, defending Tamils from human rights abuses. | ” |
“ | Medically assisting the LTTE, however, facilitates terrorist abominations. Its injured members more quickly return to terrorist duties. And the LTTE more readily attracts grass-roots sympathizers, financial contributions and terrorist recruits. The nefarious LTTE terrorist goal of partitioning Sri Lanka into separate Tamil and Sinhalese nations would be closer." | ” |
Criticism and praise of the subject should be represented if it is relevant to the subject's notability and can be sourced to reliable secondary sources, and so long as the material is written in a manner that does not overwhelm the article or appear to take sides; it needs to be presented responsibly, conservatively, and in a neutral, encyclopedic tone. Be careful not to give a disproportionate amount of space to particular viewpoints, to avoid the effect of representing a minority view as if it were the majority one. The views of a tiny minority have no place in the article. Content should be sourced to reliable sources and should be about the subject of the article specifically. Beware of claims that rely on guilt by association. Be on the lookout for biased or malicious content about living persons. If someone appears to be promoting a biased point of view, insist on reliable third-party published sources and a clear demonstration of relevance to the person's notability.
But what is our position on tamileelamnews.com? Is it a RS or QS? Chamal talk 11:11, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
ltte commanders articles are proposed for deletion, these have links from Tamil Tigers, LRRP and battles artilces. If the articles shouldn't be deleted please add your comments in articles' talk page. All the deletions are proposed by User talk:THF.- Iross1000 ( talk) 22:08, 17 January 2009 (UTC).
I have boldly redirected Colonel Seelan to Charles Anthony Brigade for the time being so that the article can one day be developed. Kanatonian ( talk) 00:31, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Can we mark this as resolved? — Sebastian 04:56, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Since no one has expressed any objection to having such an article, how about we decide here which Tamil Tigers keep personal articles, which get redirected to the list of commanders article, and which (if any) should be deleted completely.
So here's an overview of the people in question, along with their claims to notability other than been an LTTE regional commander or having some LTTE title bestowed on them. Feel free to make corrections if I've missed something.
Name | Notability |
---|---|
Colonel Jeyam | Attended peace talks |
Colonel Kumarappa | Participant in the 1987 Mass Suicide of Tamil Tigers |
Thambirasa Kuhasanthan | Responsible for all suicide bombings in Batticaloa |
Colonel Theepan | Uncited claims that he was responsible for the LTTE defences along Muhamalai |
Captain Pandithar | - |
Major Mano | - |
Colonel Akbar | - |
Colonel Sornam | Former personal bodyguard of Prabhakaran |
Maria Vasanthi Michael | - |
Irasaiah Ilanthirayan | Military spokesman |
Lt Colonel Appaiah | - |
Colonel Santhosham | - |
Out of these, Irasaiah Ilanthirayan is/was often in contact with media organizations so he got a lot of publicity, in a Bagdad Bob sort of way. I would say the publicity he got would merit an article for him. Thambirasa Kuhasanthan is claimed to have been the mastermind behind many suicide attacks, so he too is notable enough for a bio.
Colonel Kumarappa was one of many who took part in the mass suicide, so his article should be redirected to the 1987 Mass Suicide of Tamil Tigers article after any useful content is merged.
For Colonel Theepan, unless additional reliable (not pro-LTTE) sources can be produced where he is mentioned in articles, this should be a redirect to the proposed list.
Simply attending peace talks should not make one notable. There were large delegations on both sides present, and unless additional criteria can be provided that makes Colonel Jeyam notable, I think it should be a redirect to the proposed list. Similarly for Colonel Sornam, simply been a bodyguard for Prabhakaran doesn't make one notable, so unless additional sources can be provided, it should be a redirect.
All the other persons are simply mentioned as regional leaders of the LTTE. Therefore they should all be redirected to the list. -- snowolfD4 ( talk / @ ) 16:37, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
FYI - Some of you may be interested to read [ this] and other locations in the drop down menu.-23:07, 23 January 2009 (UTC).
Heavy vandalism is happening to the article and specially to the Administrative section. Editors are removing cited materials about administrative entities of the LTTE claiming that the fall of the rebels administrative capital to the SLA means that these administrative entities does not exist. The fact is that thought it might not be functional today, it did function at one time and might still be functioning in a smaller scale. Can members please watch the article. Thanks Watchdogb ( talk) 20:16, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
== Please respect editing restrictions ==
You recently edited [[Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam]], which is currently subject to editing restrictions. Please follow the instructions in the blue box on top of that page before you do any edits that could be regarded controversial. You may also want to check out our [[Wikipedia:Introduction|intro page]], which contains a lot of helpful material for new users. ~~~~
I want to reply here to Kanatonian' statement in the previous section: "I dont overly interfere in popular articles like LTTE, Sri Lankan civil war etc as at the end, its the responsibility of Wikipedia community not just SLR members to keep them straight.":
If, by "Wikipedia community", you mean the mass of editors outside of SLR and SLDRA, including vandals and other inconsiderate editors, then there's no reason to rely on it. But the Wikipedia community includes us. We are that part of the community that emerged for the very reason to protect such articles. When we put our blue box on these articles, we promise to the rest of the community that we will fulfill the purpose of our WikiProject and SLDRA. We have to keep that promise, or the blue box is not worth the space it takes. — Sebastian 19:14, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
Unfortunately, the above experiment isn't going as I hoped, because few people who watch the page actually take the time to warn the users. As I am trying to cut down on the time I'm spending here, I won't be able to do this much anymore, either. We therefore need to find a solution that requires less work for those who want to protect the article. I'm aware of the following possible alternatives:
Are there any other ideas? — Sebastian 02:07, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
A newly created template, Template:Campaignbox Eelam War IV is being used on some articles within our scope. This template lists a lot of towns that have been captured by the SLA. Now, I see two problems here:
And there's another problem. I just noticed in the Battle of Sampur article that some other name is used to refer to some locations. Looks like a Sinhala translation of the Tamil name to me. What is our position on this? Is it really necessary to add something like this? Looks plain ridiculous to me - just the kind of thing you need to develop racism. These names are not accepted for common usage AFAIK, and I see no reason to include them here without any references or real necessity. Chamal talk 14:11, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Should SLDRA be extended to this template and the associated articles? — Sebastian 21:04, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
The following category is a controversial category that was created recently. It was nominated and the closing was no consensus. The reason I bring this here is that the closing admin claimed that a discussion should take place since, as I understand, the CFD might not be the real place to achieve consensus. This category should be discussed here because most of the argument to keep the category was centered on LTTE and the Sri Lankan conflict. Additionally all those who are currently categorized in the category are LTTE members. Watchdogb ( talk) 16:36, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
I agree with this overall assessment and discussion. I found the CfD very fatiguing, and I am not ready to do it again for some time. After the dust has settled, let us proceed to finding a good categorization plan which is acceptable to all ethnic groups and parts thereof. Jasy jatere ( talk) 21:33, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
There is a green colour map in the LTTE article with reference to area controlled in 2001. But by looking at this it is bit more than that, see areas in the east. Wonder whether the green colour map can be modified. - Iross1000 ( talk) 12:04, 2 February 2009 (UTC).
The article states that his religion is Christian. However, multiple sources on the web denote that he was born a Hindu and still practices this, being particularly fond of worship of Lord Subrahmanya (Lord Murugan). Particularly, the US Pacific Command's assessment of him, listed as the first external link, discusses this. Perhaps this should be changed.
0seeker0 ( talk) 08:28, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
The bluebox was removed two days ago with a user noting that nobody (Basically besides me) edits the page and there really is no issue with neutrality on the page or even content. For that reason I find it peculiar that SebastianHelm removed it when it (prior to today) had no mention on this page. Pectore talk 01:48, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
On the right hand side box of the LTTE article, it is mentioned that one of its ideology is socialism. It is not correct by looking at this article [5]. See comments about 1977 elections.- Iross1000 ( talk) 07:42, 13 January 2009 (UTC).
Kindly ensure that this article is not used as a Daily Mirror promotion cite.
Also ensure that one unsupported viewpoint that government is responsible for the killing from dominating it. This is attempted by citing opinions pieces in various media sources that do not cite evidence. Opinions are opinions made with bias. If quotation of one opinion is allowed, quotes from opposing opinions should also be allowed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.231.112.134 ( talk) 20:24, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
A lot of activity is going on in this article, some good some bad. In my view it needs a Blue box on it. Kanatonian ( talk) 22:20, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
His name is misspelt it should be Lasantha Wickrematunge [6] 86.31.99.23 ( talk) 16:50, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
that link has two different spellings, one on the red banner, and a different one in the text. Jasy jatere ( talk) 17:41, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
DYK admin would like to remove it before putting it up on the DYK page. What do you gusy think ? Kanatonian ( talk) 16:56, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
BBC World Service just sent a report on Wickramatunga, in which they announced there would be a special feature about him at 12h GMT, but I couldn't find it at http://search.bbc.co.uk/search?tab=all&q=Wickramatunga. — Sebastian 09:05, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Can we have a peer review (within the project I mean) on the Battle of Kilinochchi (2008–2009) article? If so, what is the way to go about it? I've been working on the article for the past few days, and any help and advice would be appreciated on improving it and pointing out any mistake/bias. Chamal talk 07:16, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
There was an edit war at Bruce Fein about inserting the link http://www.defence.lk/new.asp?fname=20080605_12. I think this is noticeable; it doesn't happen very often that an American lawyer gets accused of supporting terrorists by the government of another country. I propose that we add this incident (with correct attribution), along with the reply, which I found at http://www.tamileelamnews.com/news/publish/tns_9429.shtml. How reliable is tamileelamnews.com? I could not find a page that represents Mr Fein directly. What would be a fair summary of the rebuttal? — Sebastian 02:36, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
“ | The Tamil Tigers seek a secessionist state in the northern and eastern provinces of Sri Lanka through terrorism. Characteristic of like organizations, the LTTE undertakes auxiliary activities that strengthen its terrorist torso and sweeten its public face: political organizing and advocacy; diplomacy; social services and humanitarian aid; economic development; establishment of a quasi-government on the Jaffna Peninsula; and, defending Tamils from human rights abuses. | ” |
“ | Medically assisting the LTTE, however, facilitates terrorist abominations. Its injured members more quickly return to terrorist duties. And the LTTE more readily attracts grass-roots sympathizers, financial contributions and terrorist recruits. The nefarious LTTE terrorist goal of partitioning Sri Lanka into separate Tamil and Sinhalese nations would be closer." | ” |
Criticism and praise of the subject should be represented if it is relevant to the subject's notability and can be sourced to reliable secondary sources, and so long as the material is written in a manner that does not overwhelm the article or appear to take sides; it needs to be presented responsibly, conservatively, and in a neutral, encyclopedic tone. Be careful not to give a disproportionate amount of space to particular viewpoints, to avoid the effect of representing a minority view as if it were the majority one. The views of a tiny minority have no place in the article. Content should be sourced to reliable sources and should be about the subject of the article specifically. Beware of claims that rely on guilt by association. Be on the lookout for biased or malicious content about living persons. If someone appears to be promoting a biased point of view, insist on reliable third-party published sources and a clear demonstration of relevance to the person's notability.
But what is our position on tamileelamnews.com? Is it a RS or QS? Chamal talk 11:11, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
ltte commanders articles are proposed for deletion, these have links from Tamil Tigers, LRRP and battles artilces. If the articles shouldn't be deleted please add your comments in articles' talk page. All the deletions are proposed by User talk:THF.- Iross1000 ( talk) 22:08, 17 January 2009 (UTC).
I have boldly redirected Colonel Seelan to Charles Anthony Brigade for the time being so that the article can one day be developed. Kanatonian ( talk) 00:31, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Can we mark this as resolved? — Sebastian 04:56, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Since no one has expressed any objection to having such an article, how about we decide here which Tamil Tigers keep personal articles, which get redirected to the list of commanders article, and which (if any) should be deleted completely.
So here's an overview of the people in question, along with their claims to notability other than been an LTTE regional commander or having some LTTE title bestowed on them. Feel free to make corrections if I've missed something.
Name | Notability |
---|---|
Colonel Jeyam | Attended peace talks |
Colonel Kumarappa | Participant in the 1987 Mass Suicide of Tamil Tigers |
Thambirasa Kuhasanthan | Responsible for all suicide bombings in Batticaloa |
Colonel Theepan | Uncited claims that he was responsible for the LTTE defences along Muhamalai |
Captain Pandithar | - |
Major Mano | - |
Colonel Akbar | - |
Colonel Sornam | Former personal bodyguard of Prabhakaran |
Maria Vasanthi Michael | - |
Irasaiah Ilanthirayan | Military spokesman |
Lt Colonel Appaiah | - |
Colonel Santhosham | - |
Out of these, Irasaiah Ilanthirayan is/was often in contact with media organizations so he got a lot of publicity, in a Bagdad Bob sort of way. I would say the publicity he got would merit an article for him. Thambirasa Kuhasanthan is claimed to have been the mastermind behind many suicide attacks, so he too is notable enough for a bio.
Colonel Kumarappa was one of many who took part in the mass suicide, so his article should be redirected to the 1987 Mass Suicide of Tamil Tigers article after any useful content is merged.
For Colonel Theepan, unless additional reliable (not pro-LTTE) sources can be produced where he is mentioned in articles, this should be a redirect to the proposed list.
Simply attending peace talks should not make one notable. There were large delegations on both sides present, and unless additional criteria can be provided that makes Colonel Jeyam notable, I think it should be a redirect to the proposed list. Similarly for Colonel Sornam, simply been a bodyguard for Prabhakaran doesn't make one notable, so unless additional sources can be provided, it should be a redirect.
All the other persons are simply mentioned as regional leaders of the LTTE. Therefore they should all be redirected to the list. -- snowolfD4 ( talk / @ ) 16:37, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
FYI - Some of you may be interested to read [ this] and other locations in the drop down menu.-23:07, 23 January 2009 (UTC).
Heavy vandalism is happening to the article and specially to the Administrative section. Editors are removing cited materials about administrative entities of the LTTE claiming that the fall of the rebels administrative capital to the SLA means that these administrative entities does not exist. The fact is that thought it might not be functional today, it did function at one time and might still be functioning in a smaller scale. Can members please watch the article. Thanks Watchdogb ( talk) 20:16, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
== Please respect editing restrictions ==
You recently edited [[Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam]], which is currently subject to editing restrictions. Please follow the instructions in the blue box on top of that page before you do any edits that could be regarded controversial. You may also want to check out our [[Wikipedia:Introduction|intro page]], which contains a lot of helpful material for new users. ~~~~
I want to reply here to Kanatonian' statement in the previous section: "I dont overly interfere in popular articles like LTTE, Sri Lankan civil war etc as at the end, its the responsibility of Wikipedia community not just SLR members to keep them straight.":
If, by "Wikipedia community", you mean the mass of editors outside of SLR and SLDRA, including vandals and other inconsiderate editors, then there's no reason to rely on it. But the Wikipedia community includes us. We are that part of the community that emerged for the very reason to protect such articles. When we put our blue box on these articles, we promise to the rest of the community that we will fulfill the purpose of our WikiProject and SLDRA. We have to keep that promise, or the blue box is not worth the space it takes. — Sebastian 19:14, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
Unfortunately, the above experiment isn't going as I hoped, because few people who watch the page actually take the time to warn the users. As I am trying to cut down on the time I'm spending here, I won't be able to do this much anymore, either. We therefore need to find a solution that requires less work for those who want to protect the article. I'm aware of the following possible alternatives:
Are there any other ideas? — Sebastian 02:07, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
A newly created template, Template:Campaignbox Eelam War IV is being used on some articles within our scope. This template lists a lot of towns that have been captured by the SLA. Now, I see two problems here:
And there's another problem. I just noticed in the Battle of Sampur article that some other name is used to refer to some locations. Looks like a Sinhala translation of the Tamil name to me. What is our position on this? Is it really necessary to add something like this? Looks plain ridiculous to me - just the kind of thing you need to develop racism. These names are not accepted for common usage AFAIK, and I see no reason to include them here without any references or real necessity. Chamal talk 14:11, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Should SLDRA be extended to this template and the associated articles? — Sebastian 21:04, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
The following category is a controversial category that was created recently. It was nominated and the closing was no consensus. The reason I bring this here is that the closing admin claimed that a discussion should take place since, as I understand, the CFD might not be the real place to achieve consensus. This category should be discussed here because most of the argument to keep the category was centered on LTTE and the Sri Lankan conflict. Additionally all those who are currently categorized in the category are LTTE members. Watchdogb ( talk) 16:36, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
I agree with this overall assessment and discussion. I found the CfD very fatiguing, and I am not ready to do it again for some time. After the dust has settled, let us proceed to finding a good categorization plan which is acceptable to all ethnic groups and parts thereof. Jasy jatere ( talk) 21:33, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
There is a green colour map in the LTTE article with reference to area controlled in 2001. But by looking at this it is bit more than that, see areas in the east. Wonder whether the green colour map can be modified. - Iross1000 ( talk) 12:04, 2 February 2009 (UTC).