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would it be possible for this template be used for NRL and ESL clubs using team colours as well -- sss333 ( talk) 04:01, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Can someone help identify this player? Feel free to add the photo to the appropriate article too! cheers, Privatemusings ( talk) 04:52, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Currently, 3457 articles are assigned to this project, of which 336, or 9.7%, are flagged for cleanup of some sort. (Data as of 14 July 2008.) Are you interested in finding out more? I am offering to generate cleanup to-do lists on a project or work group level. See User:B. Wolterding/Cleanup listings for details. Subscribing is easy - just add a template to your project page. If you want to respond to this canned message, please do so at my user talk page. -- B. Wolterding ( talk) 18:41, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
I have uploaded some more photos of Manly players here and think that some would complement the eponymous articles nicely... I'm under an arbcom restriction to not edit BLPs, but would be happy for anyone to use this appropriately! cheers, Privatemusings ( talk) 03:03, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Is anyone aware of a reason for the removal of WP:RL as a shortcut for Wikiproject Rugby League? This [1] was removed today in favour of adding it as a shortcut for Wikipedia:Requested lists which already uses WP:WPRL, WP:REQL and WP:REQUESTLIST. I can't find any discussion regarding it, but I may not be looking in the right places. I've left a note on the editor's talk page. • Florrie• leave a note• 07:36, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Hesitate to raise questions of core principle since we can't even get consensus on infoboxes but here goes... A user asked me to consider linking this article as it's been orphaned 2 years. I won't do that for these reasons. But it got me thinking. So someone bothered to write this stub, it can stay for all I care. But the project tags on the Discussion page say this article is supported by the WP:RL and invites assessment and comment. But do we really ? Do we the Project, really support go-nowhere stubs like this ? - Sticks 66 11:26, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
recent news reminded me to go through a few old pics from last season and see if I could dig anything out... this one isn't great, but might inspire someone else (a frenchman, I guess!) to do better.... cheers, Privatemusings ( talk) 23:59, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Looking through a number of player articles have the Irish rugby flag rather than that ROI flag. I understand the reason for this as the Irish rugby league side is now also one of the unified Ireland. Just wondering whether that flag is purely for rugby union and whether we would be better off with the Ireland flag. CorleoneSerpicoMontana ( talk) 14:30, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
I have noticed that the Super League XIII article only has a set of results up until mid-April and from then on there is only fixtures which have already passed. I wondered whether anyone was planning on updating the article. I have added a results table to the article which I will complete. Thanks. 03md ( talk) 10:50, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
I'd be interested to know what people thought of moving towards
and
to distinguish between the two big names down under. I find it a little hard to distinguish between the Kiwi and Aussie flag, perhaps this may be a solution?
CorleoneSerpicoMontana
14:31, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
these may be useful in some places - though apologies for problems with identifying some of the players. The wise and astute amongst you will no doubt be aware that Manly is just luring the Storm into a false sense of security - our clever tactic involving not being able to win a match despite a dominant performance. Bring on the grand final, I say (although I wouldn't cry if someone else put Melbourne out.... :-) cheers, Privatemusings ( talk) 04:21, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Have just posted this article Dual-code rugby internationals which I've been working on a wee while. Some obvious gaps on the tables which should hopefully resolve themselves but a less obvious issue could do with some help some from the Project: I believe there've actually been 37 New Zealand DCIs which means I'm missing 26. Any name suggestions appreciated, just drop on my talk-page. - Sticks 66 12:42, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Ok, the bot request is almost done. Umm, I don't have much time at the moment, and some help would be appreciated to move this quickly.
On the Template:rugby league biogrpahy page, there needs to be a parameter something like "new=yes" so that some infoboxes that haven't changed are still able to function. I tried but it didn't work.
And the bot creator, which I must thank, dosent want/seem the reason for changing the birth of date/date of death into their seperate parameters. So for now can we comment that out and just put a normal parameter under the same name of the old parameter.
I should be able to help out tonight, but other help is appreciated. The Windler talk 21:27, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
The Sonny Bill Williams one looks really good, not sure the Karmichael Hunt one wasn't a more useful tool beforehand. Will have to get the union guys interested in your template, the scoring system would be useful for them as well. Fronsdorf ( talk) 20:56, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Which one are we moving to, as the issues which have been discussed at length are in some way covered in the SBW version. These appear to SL or Northern Hemisphere issues but I do think they should be taken into consideration, ie squad numbers, metric/imperial , etc. CorleoneSerpicoMontana 14:23, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
For Phil Gould I gotta say I don't like Canterbury-Bankstown going onto two lines. This adds to my feeling that the leagueicons are a bad idea. In a case like this could Canterbury alone suffice? Or are we gonna be strict about the full name even if it pushes itself onto two lines? (coz I thought we'd already decided on one line only) Or is it just my compuer that sees that?-- Jeff79 ( talk) 18:20, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
On the matter of leagueicons I support them being there 100%. I would obviously get behind the tweaking of the infobox with the addition of the lighter colour bands. I do prefer the box a few days back, but if there is a majority I would obviously push for momentum in that area. Londo 06 09:41, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
Seems like alot of progress has been made today. Just a few things to iron out, one being they still seem to have the wrong measurements for UK based players. CorleoneSerpicoMontana 17:55, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
Can something be done about peoples' height being expressed in metres rather than centimetres. It's pretty absurd.-- Jeff79 ( talk) 06:00, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
It doesn't matter. Both emperial and metric should appear. I just want it in centimetres, not metres. Expressing Willie Mason's height as 1.95m is like expressing his weight as 0.114 tonnes.-- Jeff79 ( talk) 18:47, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
To get to this talk page a little quicker, I have created WP:RLT
For Wikipedia:Rugby league talk.
I was just sick of going WP:RL and then clicking on talk. The Windler talk 09:57, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
I suppose this photo of Sonny Bill Williams [11] can't be placed as a link on the article ? I expect not, so post it here only. There is a reference to the event as on the article as ref 24 Boylo ( talk) 02:27, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Go us! (I didn't see it at all and it's already archived. Not sure why it was picked up, hardly a mind-blowing DYK! # ... that Mal Cochrane is the hooker in the New South Wales Rugby League's "Indigenous Team of the Century"?) • Florrie• leave a note• 02:31, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Well, I think we should finally get this over and done with. If you would like to add a new poll, please do so. Comments and neutrals are not required but are encouraged if there is opposition. If a new poll is not opened, it will be assumed that everyone is happy with the infobox as is.
I propose that colours be banned from all infoboxes based on a number of grounds. Firstly, they look messy. Secondly, the very creation of them goes against Wikipedia guidelines. Thirdly, flags and the like are discouraged from infoboxes anyway. If you support or oppose this measure against the use of colours in infoboxes, please cast your vote below.
MDM, where in the Wikipedia guidlines, does it say that images/colours shouldn't be used. The Windler talk 10:12, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
I had never seen human height expressed in metres in my life until I saw Willie Mason's infobox. My Queensland driver's licence has centimetres. In Japan and Korea centimetres are also exclusively used. They're also used on the Super League and NRL official websites.
"Championship" is a better cover-all term than premiership, as in the UK the two have had different meanings for a large portion of the sport's recent history. In Chris Anderson's case (and I'm sure there are other coaches who would have similar issues), he coached Halifax to the Championship but not to the Premiership during his time with the club. He later coached Melbourne to the NRL premiership. Australia's premiership (which I'm assuming usage of the heading "Premierships" is based on) is synonymous with England's Championship. If "Championships" is used there will be no confusion. Even for people unfamiliar with rugby league, "Championship" is a better cover-all term for the meaning intended by the infobox.
I think whether a player is retired or still playing (and which club they're playing at) is made perfectly clear in articles without having a 'current club' field. See Reg Gasnier, whose "Club" is "retired". And if a player is deceased will it say "deceased"? Not good in my opinion. I think it's just overkill.
The sub-headings "Club details" and "Representative details" appear under headings "Playing information" and "Coaching information". In this context 'details' and 'information' mean exactly the same thing. In the name of streamlining one of them should go. I think 'details' should, as "Playing information" and "Coaching information" are in line with the first heading, "Personal information".
State of Origin is determined on the first senior club played for after reaching the age of 16. This can be mentioned in the text, if it is known, and expanded on if necessary (ie, actual location) rather than a meaningless list of two or three junior or school-based clubs. (The last count on this [12] was 3 for removal, 2 for retention, 1 neutral)
Just as someone's article shouldn't be placed into a category of coaches unless he is appointed head coach of a top-level team, coaching career data shouldn't be included in the infobox unless it is for a head coach position at a top-level team. The same rules for inclusion of playing data should apply. This means coaching of junior representative teams such as Australian Schoolboys and non-top-level teams such as those in the Queensland Cup should be in the body text only. For example, Kevin Walters' coaching data for Catalans Dragons can be included, but his time at the Ipswich Jets can remain in the body text. Assistant coach, strength & conditioning coach, defensive coach, etc. information can also stay in the body text.
I'm not really fond of height and weight for retired players, and then Florrie suggested it go under the player information. I would like this to hhappen.
Currently, the infobox forces the "updated" parameter to appear, even for deceased persons. I don't see the parameter for any purpose beyond current players. I propose that this parameter becomes option for retired players/coaches. The Windler talk 09:43, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
There are two options here. We can either use the existing "Premierships" field or the old "W/D/L/W%" ones that you find in the representative coaching section. One benefit of using the latter are the fact that numbers will line up all the way down the infobox, (see currently Phil Gould on why it could look better) however some may see this added information as slightly irrelevant. Also it'll fix the issue of whether to call the old column "premierships" or "championships". Now that I think of it, the majority of these "premiershps" fields will probably be "0" anyway. I can see the benefits of using the current format, but I just prefer an infobox where all the numbers line up. So do you all prefer changing it back to "W/D/L/W%" or leaving the columns as is? I thought this had been talked about extensively in the old archived discussions but there seems to be a few here who didn't get a say then, so that's why I've opened it up again. One other issue i've just noticed is that the "premiership" text takes up more space than it should, forcing the "Pld/T/G/FG/P" columns above it to spread out more than they should. This will restrict what can be written in the "club" columns.
Looking through a number of pages have been set to (rugby) alone, and to me this indicates that a players rugby union career was more important than his league career. Wondering if anyone had any thoughts on a possible way to incorporate a title that satisfies both codes. Londo 06 14:49, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Yes, but I'm talking in terms of facts (as an encyclopedia should) not in terms of what people say down at the pub.-- Jeff79 ( talk) 13:55, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
I would go for (rugby footballer) as someone who has represented in both codes. CorleoneSerpicoMontana 14:20, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
If they are rugby league/union players, having played for both codes, cannot it simply be disambiguated as that? (rugby dual code)? I'm one of those who grew up following several codes and was taught to refer to union as rugby and rugby league as rugby league and soccer as football, so disambigging with just (rugby) or (rugby footballer) does not indicate any duality to me at all. • Florrie• leave a note• 01:58, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Fact: rugby football has two codes. League and union (I'm not making this up). This is an encyclopedia. Facts should interest you far more than what you "feel" or "grew up with". Again, I welcome you to find a hole in my logic (outlined above).-- Jeff79 ( talk) 19:24, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
(dual code rugby) was a suggestion thrown up at the union community. A backwards step from (rugby dual code) for myself, but another user suggested it and I thought I'd suggest it here to try and prevent any further problems. CorleoneSerpicoMontana 01:03, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
According to who? You? I've been told that in the north of England rugby league is frequently referred to as "rugby", and what I've read about English rugby league on here and in other places confirms that. You'll also find that when an Australian from the southern states says "rugby" it's extremely likely that rugby league is the sport they've been exposed to and are referring to, or that they don't care to differentiate. And if Chinese, Indian or Korean people say "rugby" it's anybody's guess as to which one they've been exposed to. You're going to have to put up a better argument than that.-- Jeff79 ( talk) 06:47, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
![]() | This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
would it be possible for this template be used for NRL and ESL clubs using team colours as well -- sss333 ( talk) 04:01, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Can someone help identify this player? Feel free to add the photo to the appropriate article too! cheers, Privatemusings ( talk) 04:52, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Currently, 3457 articles are assigned to this project, of which 336, or 9.7%, are flagged for cleanup of some sort. (Data as of 14 July 2008.) Are you interested in finding out more? I am offering to generate cleanup to-do lists on a project or work group level. See User:B. Wolterding/Cleanup listings for details. Subscribing is easy - just add a template to your project page. If you want to respond to this canned message, please do so at my user talk page. -- B. Wolterding ( talk) 18:41, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
I have uploaded some more photos of Manly players here and think that some would complement the eponymous articles nicely... I'm under an arbcom restriction to not edit BLPs, but would be happy for anyone to use this appropriately! cheers, Privatemusings ( talk) 03:03, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Is anyone aware of a reason for the removal of WP:RL as a shortcut for Wikiproject Rugby League? This [1] was removed today in favour of adding it as a shortcut for Wikipedia:Requested lists which already uses WP:WPRL, WP:REQL and WP:REQUESTLIST. I can't find any discussion regarding it, but I may not be looking in the right places. I've left a note on the editor's talk page. • Florrie• leave a note• 07:36, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Hesitate to raise questions of core principle since we can't even get consensus on infoboxes but here goes... A user asked me to consider linking this article as it's been orphaned 2 years. I won't do that for these reasons. But it got me thinking. So someone bothered to write this stub, it can stay for all I care. But the project tags on the Discussion page say this article is supported by the WP:RL and invites assessment and comment. But do we really ? Do we the Project, really support go-nowhere stubs like this ? - Sticks 66 11:26, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
recent news reminded me to go through a few old pics from last season and see if I could dig anything out... this one isn't great, but might inspire someone else (a frenchman, I guess!) to do better.... cheers, Privatemusings ( talk) 23:59, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Looking through a number of player articles have the Irish rugby flag rather than that ROI flag. I understand the reason for this as the Irish rugby league side is now also one of the unified Ireland. Just wondering whether that flag is purely for rugby union and whether we would be better off with the Ireland flag. CorleoneSerpicoMontana ( talk) 14:30, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
I have noticed that the Super League XIII article only has a set of results up until mid-April and from then on there is only fixtures which have already passed. I wondered whether anyone was planning on updating the article. I have added a results table to the article which I will complete. Thanks. 03md ( talk) 10:50, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
I'd be interested to know what people thought of moving towards
and
to distinguish between the two big names down under. I find it a little hard to distinguish between the Kiwi and Aussie flag, perhaps this may be a solution?
CorleoneSerpicoMontana
14:31, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
these may be useful in some places - though apologies for problems with identifying some of the players. The wise and astute amongst you will no doubt be aware that Manly is just luring the Storm into a false sense of security - our clever tactic involving not being able to win a match despite a dominant performance. Bring on the grand final, I say (although I wouldn't cry if someone else put Melbourne out.... :-) cheers, Privatemusings ( talk) 04:21, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Have just posted this article Dual-code rugby internationals which I've been working on a wee while. Some obvious gaps on the tables which should hopefully resolve themselves but a less obvious issue could do with some help some from the Project: I believe there've actually been 37 New Zealand DCIs which means I'm missing 26. Any name suggestions appreciated, just drop on my talk-page. - Sticks 66 12:42, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Ok, the bot request is almost done. Umm, I don't have much time at the moment, and some help would be appreciated to move this quickly.
On the Template:rugby league biogrpahy page, there needs to be a parameter something like "new=yes" so that some infoboxes that haven't changed are still able to function. I tried but it didn't work.
And the bot creator, which I must thank, dosent want/seem the reason for changing the birth of date/date of death into their seperate parameters. So for now can we comment that out and just put a normal parameter under the same name of the old parameter.
I should be able to help out tonight, but other help is appreciated. The Windler talk 21:27, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
The Sonny Bill Williams one looks really good, not sure the Karmichael Hunt one wasn't a more useful tool beforehand. Will have to get the union guys interested in your template, the scoring system would be useful for them as well. Fronsdorf ( talk) 20:56, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Which one are we moving to, as the issues which have been discussed at length are in some way covered in the SBW version. These appear to SL or Northern Hemisphere issues but I do think they should be taken into consideration, ie squad numbers, metric/imperial , etc. CorleoneSerpicoMontana 14:23, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
For Phil Gould I gotta say I don't like Canterbury-Bankstown going onto two lines. This adds to my feeling that the leagueicons are a bad idea. In a case like this could Canterbury alone suffice? Or are we gonna be strict about the full name even if it pushes itself onto two lines? (coz I thought we'd already decided on one line only) Or is it just my compuer that sees that?-- Jeff79 ( talk) 18:20, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
On the matter of leagueicons I support them being there 100%. I would obviously get behind the tweaking of the infobox with the addition of the lighter colour bands. I do prefer the box a few days back, but if there is a majority I would obviously push for momentum in that area. Londo 06 09:41, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
Seems like alot of progress has been made today. Just a few things to iron out, one being they still seem to have the wrong measurements for UK based players. CorleoneSerpicoMontana 17:55, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
Can something be done about peoples' height being expressed in metres rather than centimetres. It's pretty absurd.-- Jeff79 ( talk) 06:00, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
It doesn't matter. Both emperial and metric should appear. I just want it in centimetres, not metres. Expressing Willie Mason's height as 1.95m is like expressing his weight as 0.114 tonnes.-- Jeff79 ( talk) 18:47, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
To get to this talk page a little quicker, I have created WP:RLT
For Wikipedia:Rugby league talk.
I was just sick of going WP:RL and then clicking on talk. The Windler talk 09:57, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
I suppose this photo of Sonny Bill Williams [11] can't be placed as a link on the article ? I expect not, so post it here only. There is a reference to the event as on the article as ref 24 Boylo ( talk) 02:27, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Go us! (I didn't see it at all and it's already archived. Not sure why it was picked up, hardly a mind-blowing DYK! # ... that Mal Cochrane is the hooker in the New South Wales Rugby League's "Indigenous Team of the Century"?) • Florrie• leave a note• 02:31, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Well, I think we should finally get this over and done with. If you would like to add a new poll, please do so. Comments and neutrals are not required but are encouraged if there is opposition. If a new poll is not opened, it will be assumed that everyone is happy with the infobox as is.
I propose that colours be banned from all infoboxes based on a number of grounds. Firstly, they look messy. Secondly, the very creation of them goes against Wikipedia guidelines. Thirdly, flags and the like are discouraged from infoboxes anyway. If you support or oppose this measure against the use of colours in infoboxes, please cast your vote below.
MDM, where in the Wikipedia guidlines, does it say that images/colours shouldn't be used. The Windler talk 10:12, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
I had never seen human height expressed in metres in my life until I saw Willie Mason's infobox. My Queensland driver's licence has centimetres. In Japan and Korea centimetres are also exclusively used. They're also used on the Super League and NRL official websites.
"Championship" is a better cover-all term than premiership, as in the UK the two have had different meanings for a large portion of the sport's recent history. In Chris Anderson's case (and I'm sure there are other coaches who would have similar issues), he coached Halifax to the Championship but not to the Premiership during his time with the club. He later coached Melbourne to the NRL premiership. Australia's premiership (which I'm assuming usage of the heading "Premierships" is based on) is synonymous with England's Championship. If "Championships" is used there will be no confusion. Even for people unfamiliar with rugby league, "Championship" is a better cover-all term for the meaning intended by the infobox.
I think whether a player is retired or still playing (and which club they're playing at) is made perfectly clear in articles without having a 'current club' field. See Reg Gasnier, whose "Club" is "retired". And if a player is deceased will it say "deceased"? Not good in my opinion. I think it's just overkill.
The sub-headings "Club details" and "Representative details" appear under headings "Playing information" and "Coaching information". In this context 'details' and 'information' mean exactly the same thing. In the name of streamlining one of them should go. I think 'details' should, as "Playing information" and "Coaching information" are in line with the first heading, "Personal information".
State of Origin is determined on the first senior club played for after reaching the age of 16. This can be mentioned in the text, if it is known, and expanded on if necessary (ie, actual location) rather than a meaningless list of two or three junior or school-based clubs. (The last count on this [12] was 3 for removal, 2 for retention, 1 neutral)
Just as someone's article shouldn't be placed into a category of coaches unless he is appointed head coach of a top-level team, coaching career data shouldn't be included in the infobox unless it is for a head coach position at a top-level team. The same rules for inclusion of playing data should apply. This means coaching of junior representative teams such as Australian Schoolboys and non-top-level teams such as those in the Queensland Cup should be in the body text only. For example, Kevin Walters' coaching data for Catalans Dragons can be included, but his time at the Ipswich Jets can remain in the body text. Assistant coach, strength & conditioning coach, defensive coach, etc. information can also stay in the body text.
I'm not really fond of height and weight for retired players, and then Florrie suggested it go under the player information. I would like this to hhappen.
Currently, the infobox forces the "updated" parameter to appear, even for deceased persons. I don't see the parameter for any purpose beyond current players. I propose that this parameter becomes option for retired players/coaches. The Windler talk 09:43, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
There are two options here. We can either use the existing "Premierships" field or the old "W/D/L/W%" ones that you find in the representative coaching section. One benefit of using the latter are the fact that numbers will line up all the way down the infobox, (see currently Phil Gould on why it could look better) however some may see this added information as slightly irrelevant. Also it'll fix the issue of whether to call the old column "premierships" or "championships". Now that I think of it, the majority of these "premiershps" fields will probably be "0" anyway. I can see the benefits of using the current format, but I just prefer an infobox where all the numbers line up. So do you all prefer changing it back to "W/D/L/W%" or leaving the columns as is? I thought this had been talked about extensively in the old archived discussions but there seems to be a few here who didn't get a say then, so that's why I've opened it up again. One other issue i've just noticed is that the "premiership" text takes up more space than it should, forcing the "Pld/T/G/FG/P" columns above it to spread out more than they should. This will restrict what can be written in the "club" columns.
Looking through a number of pages have been set to (rugby) alone, and to me this indicates that a players rugby union career was more important than his league career. Wondering if anyone had any thoughts on a possible way to incorporate a title that satisfies both codes. Londo 06 14:49, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Yes, but I'm talking in terms of facts (as an encyclopedia should) not in terms of what people say down at the pub.-- Jeff79 ( talk) 13:55, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
I would go for (rugby footballer) as someone who has represented in both codes. CorleoneSerpicoMontana 14:20, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
If they are rugby league/union players, having played for both codes, cannot it simply be disambiguated as that? (rugby dual code)? I'm one of those who grew up following several codes and was taught to refer to union as rugby and rugby league as rugby league and soccer as football, so disambigging with just (rugby) or (rugby footballer) does not indicate any duality to me at all. • Florrie• leave a note• 01:58, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Fact: rugby football has two codes. League and union (I'm not making this up). This is an encyclopedia. Facts should interest you far more than what you "feel" or "grew up with". Again, I welcome you to find a hole in my logic (outlined above).-- Jeff79 ( talk) 19:24, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
(dual code rugby) was a suggestion thrown up at the union community. A backwards step from (rugby dual code) for myself, but another user suggested it and I thought I'd suggest it here to try and prevent any further problems. CorleoneSerpicoMontana 01:03, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
According to who? You? I've been told that in the north of England rugby league is frequently referred to as "rugby", and what I've read about English rugby league on here and in other places confirms that. You'll also find that when an Australian from the southern states says "rugby" it's extremely likely that rugby league is the sport they've been exposed to and are referring to, or that they don't care to differentiate. And if Chinese, Indian or Korean people say "rugby" it's anybody's guess as to which one they've been exposed to. You're going to have to put up a better argument than that.-- Jeff79 ( talk) 06:47, 18 August 2008 (UTC)