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Daniel Hollie to Danny Basham. McPhail ( talk) 21:00, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
Bold, revert, discuss. No need for a drawn-out discussion for each move. Just move them. There is no policy, guideline, or even essay that says that everything done on Wikipedia needs a consensus first. If people disagree with the name change, feel free to move it back and then discuss. Having dozens of discussions is just ridiculous. If something needs administrator help, ask an administrator. If they say it needs a consensus, start a discussion. Otherwise, if you think it will be a tremendous asset to Wikipedia to have a page located under a different title, just move it. GaryColemanFan ( talk) 17:43, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
And here's some more to add to the swamp that you folks probably haven't heard about yet:
Regarding this template, could anyone technically skilled help...? Judging by my sandbox and Daniel Bryan's article, |real_height and |real_weight are not working. Starship.paint ( talk) 09:21, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
The article, Bret "Hit Man" Hart: The Best There Is, the Best There Was, the Best There Ever Will Be, is a mess. I hope someone here proves its own notability and improves the quality. -- George Ho ( talk) 04:31, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
Years later this continues to bug me. Everyone knows it well, it's the standard lines in ever PPV article. Reads:
When will we finally come to the conclusion this line isn't needed in every PPV article? The point of a PPV article is to talk about the event in question, not explain how wrestling works. If you really want to explain that so bad, link the article on professional wrestling and be done with it.
I again move that we finally drop this redundancy from our PPV articles. There's no need for it and only serves as unnecessary filler. CRRays Head90 | Get Some! 23:44, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
Looking at the articles of the three Mean Street Posse members ( Joey Abs, Pete Gas, Rodney (wrestler), there's a lot of crossover). None of the three really had any significant appearances beyond their stint in the WWF as MSP members. I propose merging the three individual articles into the stable article at The Mean Street Posse. This would avoid unnecessary duplication and mean maintenance was only required on a single article rather than on four articles. Any thoughts? McPhail ( talk) 14:19, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
The other one is far too bloated and has run its course so I'll post further updates here. LM2000 ( talk) 15:40, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
According to Eva Marie's article, she signed with the WWE because she won the Diva Search 2013. His official website says that she is the winner of 2013 Diva Search. It's this true? I don't know about a 2013 Diva Search edition and the article about the contest ended in 2007. -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 11:28, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
I am currently compiling ECW information from all over internet. There are a ton of sites and a few with 90% of the info. I am combining everything into one massive spreadsheet with Top 10s, Won/Loss Records, All time roster, etc etc. I will then do my best to update all ECW related Wiki stuff. I have already started on the ECW Alumni page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Njjeff73 ( talk • contribs) 17:52, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
One question. Does somebody name the stable of HHH, Stephanie and the others? Usually, I hear that people call them The Corporation (a new formation). Also, here says that Shield are the representatives of "The Authority". -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 02:20, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
The usage of Mr. Hughes ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is under discussion, see talk:Curtis Hughes -- 76.65.129.3 ( talk) 04:51, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
While helping to populate the categories for Canadian wrestlers, two things came up:
On this same subject, it seems to me that we're revisiting the previously-deleted category for Monday Night Raw venues with Category:Professional wrestling venues and subcategories, in that the inclusion criteria is perhaps a bit too arbitrary. There's another can of worms with this categorization, in that I see arena articles which give undue weight as "tenants" to sports teams which in some cases folded within weeks or months, yet fail to mention wrestling promotions which ran a regular schedule in said arena for decades. If wrestling is mentioned at all, it's more like a list of PPV or similar events by WCW/WWF/E/etc. RadioKAOS – Talk to me, Billy 05:01, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
Iv been trying to figure this out for a long time Kaz (Frankie Kazarian) and Eric Young at the time he was known as super Eric won the TNA World Tag Team Titles but were stripped of the titles after Eric young refused to tell his true identity to Jim Cornette here is the video of that situation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igYgxQ8ZfSo also http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/bios/f/frankie-kazarian/ Kazarian's Online world of wrestling profile shows he and Young won the titles stating this (TNA Tag Team titles w/Eric Young defeating A.J Styles and Tomko and LAX [Immediately Stripped] (April 17, 2008) Iv talked to many people and they have said the reign is official now about Kazarian's TNA Profile they changed it many times first it said he was a three-time world tag team champion then said he was a multi-time tag team champion now it says he is a two-time so I am not sure about it but every other real wrestling website with title history's states Kaz and Eric Young/Super Eric won the titles but were stripped of the titles later the same night I am really trying to figure this out because regardless of all the proof Iv been giving to HHH Pedrigree he shows me a website with the TNA Title history's that aren't even up to date and only goes by what Kazarian's profile says when they are both not up to date I would like to hear more from other people regarding this situation thank you very much JMichael22 ( talk) 00:30, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
Hi. Michales22 and me need your help. The article about TNA World Tag Team Championship says that Eric Young and Kaz have the record for the shortest reign. However, we have a problem. Here you have the official (and dead) TNA Titles history (until 2010) TNA official history doesn't recogniced Kaz and Eric as champions. As you can see, it says that "AJ Styles and Tomko were stripped from the titles after a controversial loss" It never says that Kaz and Young were champions, because after Styles and Tomko reign, the title was vacated. We can find muliple sources about the match, but TNA website doesn't recognized them as champions. JMichael give me sources about the history of the title where Kaz and Young are champions ( http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/titles/tna/worldtagteam/ , http://www.wrestling-titles.com/us/tna/tna-t.html , http://www.cagematch.net/?id=5&nr=558 , http://www.angelfire.com/on2/wrestlingtitles/NWATNAtag.html and http://www.solie.org/titlehistories/wttnaction.html) However, the title belongs to TNA and I think that TNA has the last word. Like Jericho defeating HHH for the WWE Title or RVD Defeating Taker for the WWE Title. Also, TNA hasn't a title history and Kaz and Eric profiles say "multi time Tag team Champion", them don't say the partners or the number of reigns. Also, TNA merged NWA Tag Team and TNA Tag team reigns. What do you think? -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 19:12, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
The TNA profile for Kazarian isn't up to date at all JMichael22 ( talk) 01:01, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
Every wrestling site already provides the title reign TNA's website doesn't go into full detail regarding wrestlers title history I feel in this case we should go by other websites that show the proof of the title reign JMichael22 ( talk) 01:26, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
We're talking about TNA not WWE the company's do it differently and look at Sacrifice (2008) read the Storyline section it explains the whole situation Kaz and Eric Young won the TNA World Tag Team Championships and were stripped of the titles immediately after winning them that is what happened they won the titles then lost the titles Tomko And AJ Styles never beat Young and Kaz in anyway JMichael22 ( talk) 01:37, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
Let's try again. Like a five years old child. Pro wrestling is fake, a scripted, fictional entertainent. Wrestlers won matches and titles, BUT sometimes, promotions doesn't recognized title changes, despite the wrestler won an official match. For example, Chris Jericho, on April 19, 2000, defeated HHH for the WWE Championship. We have sources about the match, the title change, BUT next week, decision was reversed. The title returned to HHH, WWE Title history and Jericho profile doesn't show the title change, sooo Jericho wasn't champion (at 2000, later he won the title, but he is one time WWE champion, not Two times). Other example. When Drew McIntyre were stripped from the IC Title, Teddy Long hosted a tournament. Kofi Kingston won the tournament, but McMahon returnes the title to Drew, despite Kofi won the tournament. Again, WW.com doesn't list the title change. How Wikipedia works: We use sources. For Pro wrestling, we can use reliable Primary sources (TNA website) and secondary (OWOW). TNA Titles belongs to TNA, so only TNA decides the official reigns. We take a look to Kaz profile and it says "Kaz is two time Tag Team champion". We take a look to the (now defunct) title history section. It says that "AJ Styels & Tomko. Next reign, vacant, Styles and Tomko were stripped from the titles due a controversy against Kaz & Eric". Not my word, TNA Word). Now, the video never says TNA recognized Kaz and Eric as champion. The end. We have to official and clear sources about Kaz and Eric weren't champions against a video released by TNA about a segment that never mention if TNA recognized Kaz & Eric as champions (as I say, also I can prove Jericho defeating HHH, but isn't official because WWE doesn't recognized the title change). really, somebody can help us? One of us is wrong and I want to end with this (I like the LM2000 idea. In that case, we should do the same at IC and WWE titles). -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 11:53, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
Here is Frankie Kazarian's TNA Profile from 2011 http://web.archive.org/web/20120301132937/http://www.impactwrestling.com/roster/Wrestler-Roster/item/1566-Kazarian it sates he is a former World Tag Team Champion and it says that before he and Daniels won the Titles together which means that is his reign with Eric Young and here is what Iv been saying from September 2013, this is Kazarian's TNA profile http://web.archive.org/web/20130914120845/http://www.impactwrestling.com/roster/Wrestler-Roster/item/1566-Kazarian it's states he is a three-time TNA World Tag Team Champion so there you go JMichael22 ( talk) 17:14, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
Also on Eric Youngs TNA Profile it states (These ego boosts earned Young numerous TNA World Tag Team Championships and the prized TNA X Division Championship.) numerous means more then one because Young has won the tag team titles exactly two-times with Kaz and as a member of the Band with Kevin Nash and Scott Hall JMichael22 ( talk) 17:20, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
# | Wrestlers (Tag team name) |
Reign | Date | Days held | Location | Event | Notes | Ref. |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
6 | A.J. Styles and Tomko | 1 | October 14, 2007 | 184 | Duluth, Georgia | Bound for Glory (2007) | Defeated Killings and Consequences Creed (substitute for Jones) for the title. | [1] |
7 | Kaz and Eric Young/Super Eric | 1† | April 15, 2008 | — | Orlando, Florida | TNA Impact! | Defeated
A.J. Styles and Tomko and
The Latin American Xchange in a 3-way match. TNA previously recognized this reign on Kazarian's TNA profile until late 2013 |
[2] [3] [4] [5] [6] |
— | Vacated | — | April 15, 2008 | — | Orlando, Florida | TNA Impact | Kaz and Young were stripped of the titles by Jim Cornette after Eric Young Refused To Admit Himself As Super Eric. This episode aired on tape delay on April 17, 2008. | [2] |
Does anybody oppose the table going in like this? I might switch the wording, because I typed it up in a huff, but it certainly looks better than it does now in my opinion. AJ and Tomko did not in any sense retain the titles as it currently reads, Jim Cornette clearly says they lost the titles (and that everyone saw them lose them), so it is currently just as erroneous as before. LM2000 ( talk) 04:24, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
TNA's profile for James Storm is incorrect because it states this (Storm considers himself the IMPACT WRESTLING Beer Drinking Champion, which explains why he’s such an effective brawler. As part of Beer Money, Inc., the most dominant tag team in IMPACT WRESTLING history, he managed to capture the TNA World Tag Team Championship 11 times alongside former partner “The IT Factor” Bobby Roode.) it says he won them 11 times alongside with Bobby Roode and that isn't true at all he won 4 with Roode and 6 with Chris Harris 1 with Christopher Daniels and 1 with Gunner which makes him a 12 time World Tag Team Champion TNA hasn't updated any of there wrestlers profiles so in regards to Kazarian the same goes for his profile at the moment it states the incorrect number of TNA World Tag Team Championships with two when it should originally be three and Eric Young like they said on IMPACT many time Young's a former 4 time World Tag Team Champion two times with Bobby Roode 1 time with Kevin Nash and Scott Hall under the freebird rule and once with Kaz as Super Eric/Eric Young JMichael22 ( talk) 18:14, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
LM2000 but that looks perfect because regardless the reign happened it took place Young and Kaz were the champions I would agree to put it as is JMichael22 ( talk) 18:14, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
HHH Pedrigree I don't think you fully understand TNA and it's Championships because Kurt Angle never won the NWA World Heavyweight Championship the last NWA World Heavyweight Champion in TNA was Christian Cage he was the Champion when NWA and TNA split up second Creed's reign with Team Pacman does count because he joined Team Pacman at Bound For Glory 2007 as part of the Free bird rule and Yes TNA counts The IWGP Championships it counts the IWGP World Tag Team, IWGP Junior Heavyweight Tag Team and IWGP Heavyweight Belts that's why they had TNA wrestlers compete for them, also TNA counts Kurt Angle's World Championships from WWE, TNA and IWGP because he won the IWGP Championship while he was working for TNA. I myself am all about TNA so when it comes to the title history's I'm well aware of who were Champions and who weren't JMichael22 ( talk) 20:30, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
Please HHH Pedrigree do some research about Kurt Angle in TNA and Championship situations in TNA before you start assuming that the Title history's are wrong, Angle never ever won the NWA Title he won his first TNA title against Christian Cage and Sting because the title was brand new JMichael22 ( talk) 21:06, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
Like I said before if Someone on wikipedia changes something who ever does the TNA profiles will copy it and if you wanna see Kurt Angles Titles go to KurtAngleBrand.com I was just on there he has all his major title history on there except Tag Team Titles JMichael22 ( talk) 21:19, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
Okay then the only other source I believe have the right and good information are Online World of Wrestling, Cagematch.net and Solie.org it has the offical Title Histories for a lot of Major wrestling company's JMichael22 ( talk) 21:47, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
Okay. Let's break this down.
i agree to add the title reign
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01:06, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
In the PPV tables, we say when a match ended by submission, by dq... in that case, we should include by pinfall, isn't it? Like Singles match, tag team match... -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 02:25, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
Just a friendly notification that these two template now support Pro Wrestling as an image. Just add |sport=Prowrestling to the template when appropriate. CRRays Head90 | #OneMoreGame 02:47, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
Articles such as Fall Brawl and Hardcore Justice which cover multiple events currently do not use tables to show the results. Every once in awhile someone goes through articles like this and changes them to tables. I don't think this works because it covers the page with nothing but tables, as there are table infoboxes to the right and tables linking the events at the top... Is there any previous consensus on how to go about these articles? Also, why do some have half-tabled and half not, like November to Remember? I just reverted an edit to The Great American Bash that did this. LM2000 ( talk) 04:28, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
Just like to point out that there is now a, requested move to move Goldust back to Dustin Rhodes. STATic message me! 17:27, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
Why don't we make yearly articles for WWE's seasons like this? The WWE has roster changes so frequently that it is impossible to keep List of WWE personnel's quality and structure consistent. But if we could make articles about WWE's yearly programming, we would be able to actually create STABLE articles that reflect WWE's content. We have very disorganized and clustered WWE alumni articles, as well as the ever-changing WWE Roster articles and current champions articles. If every single sports team can have articles about every single thing that happened in their season, surely we could have summarized articles about WWE's yearly efforts. We can include their whole roster of that year, their PPV lineup, their Hall of Fame class and key milestones that they achieved. We can have a summary of their biggest events of the year as well as some ratings information and any notable information that got WWE on the news.
I know this is a big suggestion. I'm arguing for the creation of at least 35 articles as well as a new one every year. However, I think it would be a tremendous encyclopedic addition to the project and, if done right, could have grand organizational benefits. Plus, we could merge the List of WWE personnel article into the ongoing 2013 WWE season article. Currently, every edit we've ever made before 2013 was probably removed. That way, once 2013 is done, we can actually maintain a stable article that reflects all of our efforts. Thoughts? Feed back ☎ 03:13, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
I've noticed that the article Primo & Epico was recently changed to Los Matadores since that is their current name. The problem is that they appear to have had more significance under their old name than the curremt one, at least to this point. I think a change back is in order.-- 70.49.81.26 ( talk) 05:11, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
I'm looking around at the WWE wrestler articles and honestly, looking at the section headers, I'm seeing too many "various storylines" / "various feuds" / "various championships" / "singles competition... and alliance with...", I mean, come on, every wrestler goes through various storylines and feuds. With the death of the brand split, we no longer can easily separate a wrestler's career into "Raw (2001-2003)" "SmackDown (2004-2006)" "ECW (2006-2009)". So now we have...
So, I am proposing that in the interests of being more descriptive, we allow certain "jargon" into headers. Such as, I think I might have raised it here before... "face turn" or "heel turn". The often quoted argument against face/heel turns in headers is when we are pointed to the direction of Kane or Big Show and we think "whoa if we had a separate section for every single face or heel turn we would double or triple the amount of sections in the article!" While that might be true, the same does not apply for every other wrestler on the roster. I believe that many wrestlers in the current roster have not done anything of note in some part of their career except turn heel or face because they have not been able to win championships! I am not proposing we add face/heel turns to every wrestler's article, nope, I only believe we should add them to articles where the wrestler has not done anything more of note. Look at the current WWE roster - articles which I believe would be suited alphabetically for a "face turn" header" Alex Riley, Big E Langston, Cody Rhodes, Dolph Ziggler, Ezekiel Jackson, Justin Gabriel, Randy Orton (debatable?), Sheamus, Tyson Kidd, for tag teams the Usos and the Prime Time Players. For "heel turn" Randy Orton (?), R-Truth (?), Ryback and Michael Cole.
Also on the other hand, but not so much for the case of Justin Gabriel, we have... the jobbers, aforementioned Hawkins, JTG, Yoshi Tatsu, maybe all of 3MB, Zack Ryder oh and Aksana? They don't do much at all except job, job, job so why can't we actually list them as "Jobber (2010-present)", which would be more appropriate instead of saying "singles competition". For some time some people (myself included) have added "lower-card status" as a header, (alluding to the below the midcard, but undercard status definitely sounds weird when even the WHC can be literally undercard - see WrestleMania XXVII and WrestleMania XXVIII? but I am not sure if lower-card is even a valid term).
Also while we are here, how about solving Kofi Kingston's headers? I (half jokingly) propose
mm yeah please voice your opinions thank you! Starship.paint ( talk) 10:35, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
I did have more comments on the categorization efforts going on right now, but I'll save those for later. In the meantime, I nominated Category:Wrestling promoters for deletion or possible renaming, which has thus far lacked discussion, even from CFD regulars. Since I originally posted it on a weekend, it may have escaped the notice of those who spend their work week doing this instead of work...I'M KIDDING. Anyway, you can find the discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 November 4#Category:Wrestling promoters. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 18:42, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
"Ricky Steamboat, Jr." to "Richie Steamboat". McPhail ( talk) 12:18, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
I'm trying to get the Maurice Vachon page posted as a RD in the ITN section (please DO NOT comment on the nomination, I can handle it) and a number of users have commented on the lack of sources. I don't have a lot of spare time, so would someone mind sprucing up the page a bit? Thanks, Scorpion 0422 00:06, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
Is this book "canon" to WWE? The book traces the WHC's lineage recognizing a different timeline than the NWA World Heavyweight Championship. On page 125 it lists:
Of note here is that both Brazil and Colón are still not recognized by the NWA, but (at least in this book) WWE is recognizing their reigns in a deviation from the "official" source. I think that if this book is canon to WWE this should be mentioned in the "historical lineage" of World Heavyweight Championship (WWE) and also their biographies. About Pedro Morales, he was never NWA Champion, he held the WWE Championship. That would mean that the WHC recognizes the WWE title's lineage retroactively, which would make this graphic incomplete, there should be a "shares heritage" along "splinter title". That or it is recognizing a "ghost reign" for Morales, which should then be noted in his biography.
Also curious is the part of the intro (title The Oldest Prize in Wrestling: The World Heavyweight Championship) which says: "During its long history, the World Heavyweight Championship has been held by icons like "The American Dream" Dusty Rhodes, the Funk brothers, Jack Brisco, Kerry Von Erich, Ron Simmons (the first African American champion), Bret Hart, The Rock, Triple H, John Cena, and Undertaker. It is the only title to headline both WrestleMania (WWE's biggest event) and Starrcade (NWA/WCW's biggest event)."
This book is retroactively recognizing all of these wrestlers as WHCs, in contradiction to their former stance that the title was not a continuitiation of WCW's title (it even lists Simmon's reign to the WHC's credit!). Old School WWC Fan ( talk) 07:21, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
No, really. This piss me off. A few years before, the titles lists were some simple. Now, looks like every user create his own version of the title. A copule of weeks before, we have a discussion about Kaz and Eric Young as TNA Tag champions, because no source recognized them as champions, but magic is in the air and now, they are champions. Now, Hulk Hogan is NWA World champion, Kurt Angle is 3 times TNA world tag team champion (without source), X-Pac is WCW Tag team champion (sources call him substitute, not recognized champion, but voilá, a photo appears and looks like a reliable source.) Now, https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=List_of_WCW_World_Tag_Team_Champions&diff=584249597&oldid=584218168 I added Judy Bagwell as WCW Tag Team champion (because WWE says so) and now, voliá, buff bagwell is 6 times tag team champion, when other sources like cagematch or owow call him 5 times. Seriously, what is this? It's pure chaos, the titles lists change every month. Unofficial reigns, dubious reigns, contradictory sources... somebody can explain this? -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 20:10, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
Hogan never won the title, officially. However, he is listed as champion because after a controversial match, he was names "new champion".-- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 20:21, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
Creed wrestled as substitute for Adam Pacman Jones as TNA Tag Team Champion. However, no source calls him champion. TNA profile listed only one reign as champion, with Jay lethal. Also, sources of the event never mentioned a freebird rule.-- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 20:21, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
Same case. WWE is pretty fuc***g clear. X Pac isn't a former wcw tag team champion. His profile doesn't include his reigns as tag champion, titles histories mention him as substitute, not champion. But he appeare in a wwe article about the freebird rule. However, except the wwe article, I don't read about a recognized reign.-- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 20:21, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
Angle won the title from Samoa Joe. Later, Sting won a match to be Angle's partner. TNA consider it as an extension from Angle's reign (tna titles history never mention two separate rigns). Now, Angle is 3 times champion. Source?-- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 20:21, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
Steiner won a match with Bagwell. However, Bagwell attack steiner and Steiner choose Kenny to be his partner. Now, WWE says Judy Bagwell was also a champion http://www.wwe.com/classics/the-most-absurd-champions-ever/page-3 By extension, user Vjmlhds decides Buff Bagwell was also a champion. emmm, help? -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 20:21, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
Hello wrestling fans. The above article is about to be deleted as a stale draft unless someone decides that it's a notable topic and improves it. I know nothing about wrestling, so I am passing the buck here. — Anne Delong ( talk) 03:00, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
Ok so all the websites have talked about it: WrestleMania 32 confirmed for AT&T Stadium in 2016. All their reports go back to this article at NBC Bay Area. The lone line mentioning it is this: "Dallas will host the following WrestleMania in 2016, a source confirmed." As it's an NBC article, albeit a local affiliate, I added it to the main WrestleMania article to the list of venues and dates. However since then I have been reverted saying it needs to be confirmed by WWE or a anonymous source isn't good enough. I believe it is, but I will leave it up to the project to decide. CRRays Head90 | #OneMoreGame 21:31, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
This article has too many details. Can you skim down details? -- George Ho ( talk) 20:21, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
Scott Hall was recently moved to Scott Hall (wrestler) and a discussion about the move is currently ongoing here. LM2000 ( talk) 02:06, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
As you know, the WWE Championship and the World Heavyweight Championship were unified this past Sunday at TLC. WWE retired the World Heavyweight Championship and renamed the WWE Championship to the WWE World Heavyweight Championship to reflect the unification. All information on the WWE Championship article has been updated to reflect this save for the title of the article. Richard BB ( talk · contribs) tagged the redirect at WWE World Heavyweight Championship for CSD G6 speedy deletion as it was an obvious, non-controversial clean-up/move to reflect what the title was called on WWE TV, on WWE.com ( [3], [4]) and countless reliable wrestling news sites. However, many people would not leave the tag alone, determined to create an article in place of the redirect for a title that already has an article. One even moved the WWE Championship article to the incorrect title of "WWE World Championship". As such, the administrators see the move as controversial and will not delete the redirect or move the WWE Championship article over the redirect without consensus. Thanks for your time. CRRays Head90 | #OneMoreGame 19:13, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
It's a little stupid, but I prefer to be sure. I don't know much about 70's puroresu. Shohei Baba -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 22:30, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi there, I have made an article a few months ago about wXw Unified World Heavyweight Championship, wXw World Wrestling Tag Team Championship and wXw Shotgun Championship and all of them come up as WXw and it looks wierd so will you please change all three of them to capital WXW because I am unable to change it. And the wXw World Wrestling Tag Team Championship has the word 'wrestling' in it, the reason I added wrestling because there is another article with the same name WXW World Tag Team Championship and its from another organisation and the word wrestling I added is unofficial and now I regret it so will you please be kind and rename it to "WXW World Tag Team Championship (wrestling)" - Haxz.999
On the " wXw World Wrestling Tag Team Championship" will you please take the "Wrestling" out and put the "wrestling" in the end with brackets it will go like this wXw World Tag Team Championship (wrestling) because the title I made is not the official title name and there is another title with the same name from a different company.
The wXw Shotgun Championship has gone back to the old problem again will you please fix that?
Just to inform, after extensive work on the two PPV articles (ER12 is already a good article), I've nominated MITB11 for GA and hopefully FA later. For ER12, I'm sending it for peer review before pushing for featured article status. Thought it would be a good tribute to two excellent PPVs. Feel free to comment / review / improve the articles, thank you! Starship.paint ( talk) 08:38, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
At the suggestion of Starship.paint, after an edit I made, I'm going to reopen this discussion archived here.
Going by MOS:JARGON (Minimize jargon, or at least explain it... Do not introduce new and specialized words simply to teach them to the reader when more common alternatives will do.) I think it's clear that "insider" terms like (heel, babyface, etc.) should be avoided where possible in articles and certainly in headers. If a concise header description is difficult then the timeframe covered in the section can be used as a title, as with Mike Tyson#1999 to 2005. Articles on soap opera characters (like J.R. Ewing) or film characters (like Darth Vader) don't mention them "turning evil" or "turning good" but rather focus on the storylines, similarly Randy Savage becoming a fan favourite at WM7 deserves a mention but in the context of the storyline itself. Above all, the articles should be comprehensible to a reader who has no previous experience of watching pro wrestling.
Manual Of Style aside, I personally dislike use of "face" and "heel" because both are used so frequently in the lazy, mindless edits of the IP Fanboy Brigade who frequently insert both terms, heedless of accuracy, in a bid to make their mark on "teh intrenetz lawl" (or whatever they call it these days). If I had a beer for every time I've seen an IP editor add "thus turning heel" to an article then I'd be playing 22 with Jake Roberts... ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹ Speak 15:11, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
Anyway, we're lost in space. Headers. What do you think about my idea? Right now, some wreslters (mid carters) have 4 years as "various storylines" or "X champion" -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 21:03, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
Last night, I changed the format of the table on TLC's article a little bit to try to improve it, I was reverted thrice. Now I'd like to formally propose it for a consensus. I'd like to take the label of where a match happen out of the match number field and put in it's own row separating the matches. Like this:
I think this can make the table easier to read, especially for the days when Heat preceded a PPV and there were multiple pre-show matches. Thanks for your time. CRRays Head90 | #OneMoreGame 12:59, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
I did mention that it was only a little change. However, the value in it is making the table easier to read and not stretching the columns. Take Fully Loaded (2000) as an example. Here's how the table looks now.
Notice the number row is expanded to accommodate the multiple instances of "'''Sunday Night Heat'''"? The change I'm proposing fixes that and makes the table look better and function better. Why do we have words in the Number section? here's how it looks with my proposed change. The color can be changed to suit the event or we can choose a set color.
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IDK, it just seems like it'd be a no brainer to me. CRRays Head90 | #OneMoreGame 13:37, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
Found this cool collection of wrestling articles from "serious" papers. It's a blog format, but everything's cited and verbatim. I think it makes a great resource and should go in our Websites Proven Reliable. Yay? Nay? InedibleHulk (talk) 05:22, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
A Google site search on ImpactWrestling.com and general web/news searches all indicate it's called the TNA Knockouts Championship. I brought this up on the talk page, nobody agreed or disagreed. Figure it's mostly a lack of eyes, so what do you folks think? This would also affect List of TNA Women's Knockout Champions and a template or two. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:14, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi. I want to ask if can you approve Solowrestling as a reliable source. SW is a very good spanish website, like mexican Superluchas (also, some people think SW it's better because SL creates rumors). They usually take news from other websites, but sometimes, they write their own news. Also, SW traduces interviews (for example, the Austin Podcast). I think it's too similar to Superluchas. What do you say? -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 19:24, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
Feliz año nuevo. :) I'm now in 2014, Happy new year to everybody (even the people who I argue with) Drink carefully. -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 00:42, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
I noticed
Wrestla1967 changed Stevie Ray's real name to "Lash Rushay Huffman" (from Lane Steven Huffman). He used a reference which is no longer online (not even at archive.org) and claimed Booker T's autobiography backed it up. Does anyone have Booker T's book, and if so can they confirm this?
I'm suspicious about this as Wrestla1967's
talkpage history shows a number of (removed) comments from editors concerned with his renaming habits. A Google search only turned up "Lash Rushay Huffman" in sites which mirror or rip-off material from us.
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Okay, so User:Feedback brang up a good idea here about creating yearly articles for the WWE. Most participators in the discussion responded positively to the idea, with a question of whether to do yearly articles for pro wrestling in general or just the WWE. With the new year upon us, I assume it would be easier to start from the beginning and not in the middle or end of the year. Is anyone willing to start this in a sandbox, so we can work together to create the first article of this type for us. That way for every future year we will have a template to go off already. The two most important questions being, how are we gonna format the page, and what are we going to include in it. STATic message me! 07:34, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
Hello wrestling fans! This old abandoned Afc submission is about to be deleted as a stale draft. Is this a notable wrestler, and should the article be saved from deletion? — Anne Delong ( talk) 19:24, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Just a heads up, due to this you might want to watch out for vandals and unsourced info. CRRays Head90 | #OneMoreGame 21:34, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
I noticed that MIT Technology Review have listed one of our pages, List of WWE personnel, as the fourth most controversial topic on Wikipedia ( link) although they sadly got the article title wrong ("List of World Wrestling Entertainment, Inc. employees" is a redlink). The article was linked to in the current issue of The Wikipedia Signpost. So yeah, not even Jesus provokes as many reverts as WWE! I think Vince would like that. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹ Speak 13:12, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
"Dean Peters" to "Brady Boone". McPhail ( talk) 20:24, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
Given the outstanding support and participation of WP:PW members in removing the "promotional" article Brimstone from Wikipedia and WikiQuote... I was wondering if you all would like to continue to target similar articles. Of course, none are as bad to the degree of Brimstone, (EDIT: Ric Drasin might be) but they do require cleanup. Our project has a Cleanup List, and I would like to direct you to a few articles, namely...
We could work on Maestro and then down. Up for it, guys? Starship.paint ( talk) 07:10, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
This was the last edit made before a user named Strozilla started making edits. Something tells me Maestro had his hand in the article before that. This is probably what the article looked liked like before the autobiography took shape. Should we take the RealDealBillMcNeal route and level everything recent that isn't unsourced? I've found 411mania, onlineworldofwrestling, and personal Stro webpages for some of the recent stuff but I don't think we're going to dig up anything more reliable than that. Most of his recent career can be summed in a few sentences anyway. Right now he has more of catalog listing every match rather than an encyclopedia page. LM2000 ( talk) 08:17, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
Hi. One year later, I remember to made some deletions. Four of them were discussed one year ago. However, result was keep because we made a multiple deletion and the articles weren't similar between them. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hade Vansen (2nd nomination) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steven Slocum (2nd nomination) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Devin Driscoll (2nd nomination) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scotty O (2nd nomination) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Seth Skyfire They are similar (please, don't put them together): wrestler who spent some time in OVW or FCW and made nothing in WWE or other notable promotion.-- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 20:03, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
Sid Vicious (wrestler) to Sid Eudy. McPhail ( talk) 19:51, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
There is an ongoing move discussion; comment while it lasts. -- George Ho ( talk) 01:57, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
Another move request for this article has been made. -- George Ho ( talk) 05:00, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
An old friend has returned and has recreated the Destination X (2013) article long after everyone thought that discussion was over. LM2000 ( talk) 21:48, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
Heat - July 23, 2000
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 85 | ← | Archive 88 | Archive 89 | Archive 90 | Archive 91 | Archive 92 | → | Archive 95 |
Daniel Hollie to Danny Basham. McPhail ( talk) 21:00, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
Bold, revert, discuss. No need for a drawn-out discussion for each move. Just move them. There is no policy, guideline, or even essay that says that everything done on Wikipedia needs a consensus first. If people disagree with the name change, feel free to move it back and then discuss. Having dozens of discussions is just ridiculous. If something needs administrator help, ask an administrator. If they say it needs a consensus, start a discussion. Otherwise, if you think it will be a tremendous asset to Wikipedia to have a page located under a different title, just move it. GaryColemanFan ( talk) 17:43, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
And here's some more to add to the swamp that you folks probably haven't heard about yet:
Regarding this template, could anyone technically skilled help...? Judging by my sandbox and Daniel Bryan's article, |real_height and |real_weight are not working. Starship.paint ( talk) 09:21, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
The article, Bret "Hit Man" Hart: The Best There Is, the Best There Was, the Best There Ever Will Be, is a mess. I hope someone here proves its own notability and improves the quality. -- George Ho ( talk) 04:31, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
Years later this continues to bug me. Everyone knows it well, it's the standard lines in ever PPV article. Reads:
When will we finally come to the conclusion this line isn't needed in every PPV article? The point of a PPV article is to talk about the event in question, not explain how wrestling works. If you really want to explain that so bad, link the article on professional wrestling and be done with it.
I again move that we finally drop this redundancy from our PPV articles. There's no need for it and only serves as unnecessary filler. CRRays Head90 | Get Some! 23:44, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
Looking at the articles of the three Mean Street Posse members ( Joey Abs, Pete Gas, Rodney (wrestler), there's a lot of crossover). None of the three really had any significant appearances beyond their stint in the WWF as MSP members. I propose merging the three individual articles into the stable article at The Mean Street Posse. This would avoid unnecessary duplication and mean maintenance was only required on a single article rather than on four articles. Any thoughts? McPhail ( talk) 14:19, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
The other one is far too bloated and has run its course so I'll post further updates here. LM2000 ( talk) 15:40, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
According to Eva Marie's article, she signed with the WWE because she won the Diva Search 2013. His official website says that she is the winner of 2013 Diva Search. It's this true? I don't know about a 2013 Diva Search edition and the article about the contest ended in 2007. -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 11:28, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
I am currently compiling ECW information from all over internet. There are a ton of sites and a few with 90% of the info. I am combining everything into one massive spreadsheet with Top 10s, Won/Loss Records, All time roster, etc etc. I will then do my best to update all ECW related Wiki stuff. I have already started on the ECW Alumni page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Njjeff73 ( talk • contribs) 17:52, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
One question. Does somebody name the stable of HHH, Stephanie and the others? Usually, I hear that people call them The Corporation (a new formation). Also, here says that Shield are the representatives of "The Authority". -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 02:20, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
The usage of Mr. Hughes ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is under discussion, see talk:Curtis Hughes -- 76.65.129.3 ( talk) 04:51, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
While helping to populate the categories for Canadian wrestlers, two things came up:
On this same subject, it seems to me that we're revisiting the previously-deleted category for Monday Night Raw venues with Category:Professional wrestling venues and subcategories, in that the inclusion criteria is perhaps a bit too arbitrary. There's another can of worms with this categorization, in that I see arena articles which give undue weight as "tenants" to sports teams which in some cases folded within weeks or months, yet fail to mention wrestling promotions which ran a regular schedule in said arena for decades. If wrestling is mentioned at all, it's more like a list of PPV or similar events by WCW/WWF/E/etc. RadioKAOS – Talk to me, Billy 05:01, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
Iv been trying to figure this out for a long time Kaz (Frankie Kazarian) and Eric Young at the time he was known as super Eric won the TNA World Tag Team Titles but were stripped of the titles after Eric young refused to tell his true identity to Jim Cornette here is the video of that situation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igYgxQ8ZfSo also http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/bios/f/frankie-kazarian/ Kazarian's Online world of wrestling profile shows he and Young won the titles stating this (TNA Tag Team titles w/Eric Young defeating A.J Styles and Tomko and LAX [Immediately Stripped] (April 17, 2008) Iv talked to many people and they have said the reign is official now about Kazarian's TNA Profile they changed it many times first it said he was a three-time world tag team champion then said he was a multi-time tag team champion now it says he is a two-time so I am not sure about it but every other real wrestling website with title history's states Kaz and Eric Young/Super Eric won the titles but were stripped of the titles later the same night I am really trying to figure this out because regardless of all the proof Iv been giving to HHH Pedrigree he shows me a website with the TNA Title history's that aren't even up to date and only goes by what Kazarian's profile says when they are both not up to date I would like to hear more from other people regarding this situation thank you very much JMichael22 ( talk) 00:30, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
Hi. Michales22 and me need your help. The article about TNA World Tag Team Championship says that Eric Young and Kaz have the record for the shortest reign. However, we have a problem. Here you have the official (and dead) TNA Titles history (until 2010) TNA official history doesn't recogniced Kaz and Eric as champions. As you can see, it says that "AJ Styles and Tomko were stripped from the titles after a controversial loss" It never says that Kaz and Young were champions, because after Styles and Tomko reign, the title was vacated. We can find muliple sources about the match, but TNA website doesn't recognized them as champions. JMichael give me sources about the history of the title where Kaz and Young are champions ( http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/titles/tna/worldtagteam/ , http://www.wrestling-titles.com/us/tna/tna-t.html , http://www.cagematch.net/?id=5&nr=558 , http://www.angelfire.com/on2/wrestlingtitles/NWATNAtag.html and http://www.solie.org/titlehistories/wttnaction.html) However, the title belongs to TNA and I think that TNA has the last word. Like Jericho defeating HHH for the WWE Title or RVD Defeating Taker for the WWE Title. Also, TNA hasn't a title history and Kaz and Eric profiles say "multi time Tag team Champion", them don't say the partners or the number of reigns. Also, TNA merged NWA Tag Team and TNA Tag team reigns. What do you think? -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 19:12, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
The TNA profile for Kazarian isn't up to date at all JMichael22 ( talk) 01:01, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
Every wrestling site already provides the title reign TNA's website doesn't go into full detail regarding wrestlers title history I feel in this case we should go by other websites that show the proof of the title reign JMichael22 ( talk) 01:26, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
We're talking about TNA not WWE the company's do it differently and look at Sacrifice (2008) read the Storyline section it explains the whole situation Kaz and Eric Young won the TNA World Tag Team Championships and were stripped of the titles immediately after winning them that is what happened they won the titles then lost the titles Tomko And AJ Styles never beat Young and Kaz in anyway JMichael22 ( talk) 01:37, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
Let's try again. Like a five years old child. Pro wrestling is fake, a scripted, fictional entertainent. Wrestlers won matches and titles, BUT sometimes, promotions doesn't recognized title changes, despite the wrestler won an official match. For example, Chris Jericho, on April 19, 2000, defeated HHH for the WWE Championship. We have sources about the match, the title change, BUT next week, decision was reversed. The title returned to HHH, WWE Title history and Jericho profile doesn't show the title change, sooo Jericho wasn't champion (at 2000, later he won the title, but he is one time WWE champion, not Two times). Other example. When Drew McIntyre were stripped from the IC Title, Teddy Long hosted a tournament. Kofi Kingston won the tournament, but McMahon returnes the title to Drew, despite Kofi won the tournament. Again, WW.com doesn't list the title change. How Wikipedia works: We use sources. For Pro wrestling, we can use reliable Primary sources (TNA website) and secondary (OWOW). TNA Titles belongs to TNA, so only TNA decides the official reigns. We take a look to Kaz profile and it says "Kaz is two time Tag Team champion". We take a look to the (now defunct) title history section. It says that "AJ Styels & Tomko. Next reign, vacant, Styles and Tomko were stripped from the titles due a controversy against Kaz & Eric". Not my word, TNA Word). Now, the video never says TNA recognized Kaz and Eric as champion. The end. We have to official and clear sources about Kaz and Eric weren't champions against a video released by TNA about a segment that never mention if TNA recognized Kaz & Eric as champions (as I say, also I can prove Jericho defeating HHH, but isn't official because WWE doesn't recognized the title change). really, somebody can help us? One of us is wrong and I want to end with this (I like the LM2000 idea. In that case, we should do the same at IC and WWE titles). -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 11:53, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
Here is Frankie Kazarian's TNA Profile from 2011 http://web.archive.org/web/20120301132937/http://www.impactwrestling.com/roster/Wrestler-Roster/item/1566-Kazarian it sates he is a former World Tag Team Champion and it says that before he and Daniels won the Titles together which means that is his reign with Eric Young and here is what Iv been saying from September 2013, this is Kazarian's TNA profile http://web.archive.org/web/20130914120845/http://www.impactwrestling.com/roster/Wrestler-Roster/item/1566-Kazarian it's states he is a three-time TNA World Tag Team Champion so there you go JMichael22 ( talk) 17:14, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
Also on Eric Youngs TNA Profile it states (These ego boosts earned Young numerous TNA World Tag Team Championships and the prized TNA X Division Championship.) numerous means more then one because Young has won the tag team titles exactly two-times with Kaz and as a member of the Band with Kevin Nash and Scott Hall JMichael22 ( talk) 17:20, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
# | Wrestlers (Tag team name) |
Reign | Date | Days held | Location | Event | Notes | Ref. |
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6 | A.J. Styles and Tomko | 1 | October 14, 2007 | 184 | Duluth, Georgia | Bound for Glory (2007) | Defeated Killings and Consequences Creed (substitute for Jones) for the title. | [1] |
7 | Kaz and Eric Young/Super Eric | 1† | April 15, 2008 | — | Orlando, Florida | TNA Impact! | Defeated
A.J. Styles and Tomko and
The Latin American Xchange in a 3-way match. TNA previously recognized this reign on Kazarian's TNA profile until late 2013 |
[2] [3] [4] [5] [6] |
— | Vacated | — | April 15, 2008 | — | Orlando, Florida | TNA Impact | Kaz and Young were stripped of the titles by Jim Cornette after Eric Young Refused To Admit Himself As Super Eric. This episode aired on tape delay on April 17, 2008. | [2] |
Does anybody oppose the table going in like this? I might switch the wording, because I typed it up in a huff, but it certainly looks better than it does now in my opinion. AJ and Tomko did not in any sense retain the titles as it currently reads, Jim Cornette clearly says they lost the titles (and that everyone saw them lose them), so it is currently just as erroneous as before. LM2000 ( talk) 04:24, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
TNA's profile for James Storm is incorrect because it states this (Storm considers himself the IMPACT WRESTLING Beer Drinking Champion, which explains why he’s such an effective brawler. As part of Beer Money, Inc., the most dominant tag team in IMPACT WRESTLING history, he managed to capture the TNA World Tag Team Championship 11 times alongside former partner “The IT Factor” Bobby Roode.) it says he won them 11 times alongside with Bobby Roode and that isn't true at all he won 4 with Roode and 6 with Chris Harris 1 with Christopher Daniels and 1 with Gunner which makes him a 12 time World Tag Team Champion TNA hasn't updated any of there wrestlers profiles so in regards to Kazarian the same goes for his profile at the moment it states the incorrect number of TNA World Tag Team Championships with two when it should originally be three and Eric Young like they said on IMPACT many time Young's a former 4 time World Tag Team Champion two times with Bobby Roode 1 time with Kevin Nash and Scott Hall under the freebird rule and once with Kaz as Super Eric/Eric Young JMichael22 ( talk) 18:14, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
LM2000 but that looks perfect because regardless the reign happened it took place Young and Kaz were the champions I would agree to put it as is JMichael22 ( talk) 18:14, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
HHH Pedrigree I don't think you fully understand TNA and it's Championships because Kurt Angle never won the NWA World Heavyweight Championship the last NWA World Heavyweight Champion in TNA was Christian Cage he was the Champion when NWA and TNA split up second Creed's reign with Team Pacman does count because he joined Team Pacman at Bound For Glory 2007 as part of the Free bird rule and Yes TNA counts The IWGP Championships it counts the IWGP World Tag Team, IWGP Junior Heavyweight Tag Team and IWGP Heavyweight Belts that's why they had TNA wrestlers compete for them, also TNA counts Kurt Angle's World Championships from WWE, TNA and IWGP because he won the IWGP Championship while he was working for TNA. I myself am all about TNA so when it comes to the title history's I'm well aware of who were Champions and who weren't JMichael22 ( talk) 20:30, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
Please HHH Pedrigree do some research about Kurt Angle in TNA and Championship situations in TNA before you start assuming that the Title history's are wrong, Angle never ever won the NWA Title he won his first TNA title against Christian Cage and Sting because the title was brand new JMichael22 ( talk) 21:06, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
Like I said before if Someone on wikipedia changes something who ever does the TNA profiles will copy it and if you wanna see Kurt Angles Titles go to KurtAngleBrand.com I was just on there he has all his major title history on there except Tag Team Titles JMichael22 ( talk) 21:19, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
Okay then the only other source I believe have the right and good information are Online World of Wrestling, Cagematch.net and Solie.org it has the offical Title Histories for a lot of Major wrestling company's JMichael22 ( talk) 21:47, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
Okay. Let's break this down.
i agree to add the title reign
JMichael22 (
talk)
01:06, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
In the PPV tables, we say when a match ended by submission, by dq... in that case, we should include by pinfall, isn't it? Like Singles match, tag team match... -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 02:25, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
Just a friendly notification that these two template now support Pro Wrestling as an image. Just add |sport=Prowrestling to the template when appropriate. CRRays Head90 | #OneMoreGame 02:47, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
Articles such as Fall Brawl and Hardcore Justice which cover multiple events currently do not use tables to show the results. Every once in awhile someone goes through articles like this and changes them to tables. I don't think this works because it covers the page with nothing but tables, as there are table infoboxes to the right and tables linking the events at the top... Is there any previous consensus on how to go about these articles? Also, why do some have half-tabled and half not, like November to Remember? I just reverted an edit to The Great American Bash that did this. LM2000 ( talk) 04:28, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
Just like to point out that there is now a, requested move to move Goldust back to Dustin Rhodes. STATic message me! 17:27, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
Why don't we make yearly articles for WWE's seasons like this? The WWE has roster changes so frequently that it is impossible to keep List of WWE personnel's quality and structure consistent. But if we could make articles about WWE's yearly programming, we would be able to actually create STABLE articles that reflect WWE's content. We have very disorganized and clustered WWE alumni articles, as well as the ever-changing WWE Roster articles and current champions articles. If every single sports team can have articles about every single thing that happened in their season, surely we could have summarized articles about WWE's yearly efforts. We can include their whole roster of that year, their PPV lineup, their Hall of Fame class and key milestones that they achieved. We can have a summary of their biggest events of the year as well as some ratings information and any notable information that got WWE on the news.
I know this is a big suggestion. I'm arguing for the creation of at least 35 articles as well as a new one every year. However, I think it would be a tremendous encyclopedic addition to the project and, if done right, could have grand organizational benefits. Plus, we could merge the List of WWE personnel article into the ongoing 2013 WWE season article. Currently, every edit we've ever made before 2013 was probably removed. That way, once 2013 is done, we can actually maintain a stable article that reflects all of our efforts. Thoughts? Feed back ☎ 03:13, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
I've noticed that the article Primo & Epico was recently changed to Los Matadores since that is their current name. The problem is that they appear to have had more significance under their old name than the curremt one, at least to this point. I think a change back is in order.-- 70.49.81.26 ( talk) 05:11, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
I'm looking around at the WWE wrestler articles and honestly, looking at the section headers, I'm seeing too many "various storylines" / "various feuds" / "various championships" / "singles competition... and alliance with...", I mean, come on, every wrestler goes through various storylines and feuds. With the death of the brand split, we no longer can easily separate a wrestler's career into "Raw (2001-2003)" "SmackDown (2004-2006)" "ECW (2006-2009)". So now we have...
So, I am proposing that in the interests of being more descriptive, we allow certain "jargon" into headers. Such as, I think I might have raised it here before... "face turn" or "heel turn". The often quoted argument against face/heel turns in headers is when we are pointed to the direction of Kane or Big Show and we think "whoa if we had a separate section for every single face or heel turn we would double or triple the amount of sections in the article!" While that might be true, the same does not apply for every other wrestler on the roster. I believe that many wrestlers in the current roster have not done anything of note in some part of their career except turn heel or face because they have not been able to win championships! I am not proposing we add face/heel turns to every wrestler's article, nope, I only believe we should add them to articles where the wrestler has not done anything more of note. Look at the current WWE roster - articles which I believe would be suited alphabetically for a "face turn" header" Alex Riley, Big E Langston, Cody Rhodes, Dolph Ziggler, Ezekiel Jackson, Justin Gabriel, Randy Orton (debatable?), Sheamus, Tyson Kidd, for tag teams the Usos and the Prime Time Players. For "heel turn" Randy Orton (?), R-Truth (?), Ryback and Michael Cole.
Also on the other hand, but not so much for the case of Justin Gabriel, we have... the jobbers, aforementioned Hawkins, JTG, Yoshi Tatsu, maybe all of 3MB, Zack Ryder oh and Aksana? They don't do much at all except job, job, job so why can't we actually list them as "Jobber (2010-present)", which would be more appropriate instead of saying "singles competition". For some time some people (myself included) have added "lower-card status" as a header, (alluding to the below the midcard, but undercard status definitely sounds weird when even the WHC can be literally undercard - see WrestleMania XXVII and WrestleMania XXVIII? but I am not sure if lower-card is even a valid term).
Also while we are here, how about solving Kofi Kingston's headers? I (half jokingly) propose
mm yeah please voice your opinions thank you! Starship.paint ( talk) 10:35, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
I did have more comments on the categorization efforts going on right now, but I'll save those for later. In the meantime, I nominated Category:Wrestling promoters for deletion or possible renaming, which has thus far lacked discussion, even from CFD regulars. Since I originally posted it on a weekend, it may have escaped the notice of those who spend their work week doing this instead of work...I'M KIDDING. Anyway, you can find the discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 November 4#Category:Wrestling promoters. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 18:42, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
"Ricky Steamboat, Jr." to "Richie Steamboat". McPhail ( talk) 12:18, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
I'm trying to get the Maurice Vachon page posted as a RD in the ITN section (please DO NOT comment on the nomination, I can handle it) and a number of users have commented on the lack of sources. I don't have a lot of spare time, so would someone mind sprucing up the page a bit? Thanks, Scorpion 0422 00:06, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
Is this book "canon" to WWE? The book traces the WHC's lineage recognizing a different timeline than the NWA World Heavyweight Championship. On page 125 it lists:
Of note here is that both Brazil and Colón are still not recognized by the NWA, but (at least in this book) WWE is recognizing their reigns in a deviation from the "official" source. I think that if this book is canon to WWE this should be mentioned in the "historical lineage" of World Heavyweight Championship (WWE) and also their biographies. About Pedro Morales, he was never NWA Champion, he held the WWE Championship. That would mean that the WHC recognizes the WWE title's lineage retroactively, which would make this graphic incomplete, there should be a "shares heritage" along "splinter title". That or it is recognizing a "ghost reign" for Morales, which should then be noted in his biography.
Also curious is the part of the intro (title The Oldest Prize in Wrestling: The World Heavyweight Championship) which says: "During its long history, the World Heavyweight Championship has been held by icons like "The American Dream" Dusty Rhodes, the Funk brothers, Jack Brisco, Kerry Von Erich, Ron Simmons (the first African American champion), Bret Hart, The Rock, Triple H, John Cena, and Undertaker. It is the only title to headline both WrestleMania (WWE's biggest event) and Starrcade (NWA/WCW's biggest event)."
This book is retroactively recognizing all of these wrestlers as WHCs, in contradiction to their former stance that the title was not a continuitiation of WCW's title (it even lists Simmon's reign to the WHC's credit!). Old School WWC Fan ( talk) 07:21, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
No, really. This piss me off. A few years before, the titles lists were some simple. Now, looks like every user create his own version of the title. A copule of weeks before, we have a discussion about Kaz and Eric Young as TNA Tag champions, because no source recognized them as champions, but magic is in the air and now, they are champions. Now, Hulk Hogan is NWA World champion, Kurt Angle is 3 times TNA world tag team champion (without source), X-Pac is WCW Tag team champion (sources call him substitute, not recognized champion, but voilá, a photo appears and looks like a reliable source.) Now, https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=List_of_WCW_World_Tag_Team_Champions&diff=584249597&oldid=584218168 I added Judy Bagwell as WCW Tag Team champion (because WWE says so) and now, voliá, buff bagwell is 6 times tag team champion, when other sources like cagematch or owow call him 5 times. Seriously, what is this? It's pure chaos, the titles lists change every month. Unofficial reigns, dubious reigns, contradictory sources... somebody can explain this? -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 20:10, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
Hogan never won the title, officially. However, he is listed as champion because after a controversial match, he was names "new champion".-- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 20:21, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
Creed wrestled as substitute for Adam Pacman Jones as TNA Tag Team Champion. However, no source calls him champion. TNA profile listed only one reign as champion, with Jay lethal. Also, sources of the event never mentioned a freebird rule.-- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 20:21, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
Same case. WWE is pretty fuc***g clear. X Pac isn't a former wcw tag team champion. His profile doesn't include his reigns as tag champion, titles histories mention him as substitute, not champion. But he appeare in a wwe article about the freebird rule. However, except the wwe article, I don't read about a recognized reign.-- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 20:21, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
Angle won the title from Samoa Joe. Later, Sting won a match to be Angle's partner. TNA consider it as an extension from Angle's reign (tna titles history never mention two separate rigns). Now, Angle is 3 times champion. Source?-- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 20:21, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
Steiner won a match with Bagwell. However, Bagwell attack steiner and Steiner choose Kenny to be his partner. Now, WWE says Judy Bagwell was also a champion http://www.wwe.com/classics/the-most-absurd-champions-ever/page-3 By extension, user Vjmlhds decides Buff Bagwell was also a champion. emmm, help? -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 20:21, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
Hello wrestling fans. The above article is about to be deleted as a stale draft unless someone decides that it's a notable topic and improves it. I know nothing about wrestling, so I am passing the buck here. — Anne Delong ( talk) 03:00, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
Ok so all the websites have talked about it: WrestleMania 32 confirmed for AT&T Stadium in 2016. All their reports go back to this article at NBC Bay Area. The lone line mentioning it is this: "Dallas will host the following WrestleMania in 2016, a source confirmed." As it's an NBC article, albeit a local affiliate, I added it to the main WrestleMania article to the list of venues and dates. However since then I have been reverted saying it needs to be confirmed by WWE or a anonymous source isn't good enough. I believe it is, but I will leave it up to the project to decide. CRRays Head90 | #OneMoreGame 21:31, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
This article has too many details. Can you skim down details? -- George Ho ( talk) 20:21, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
Scott Hall was recently moved to Scott Hall (wrestler) and a discussion about the move is currently ongoing here. LM2000 ( talk) 02:06, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
As you know, the WWE Championship and the World Heavyweight Championship were unified this past Sunday at TLC. WWE retired the World Heavyweight Championship and renamed the WWE Championship to the WWE World Heavyweight Championship to reflect the unification. All information on the WWE Championship article has been updated to reflect this save for the title of the article. Richard BB ( talk · contribs) tagged the redirect at WWE World Heavyweight Championship for CSD G6 speedy deletion as it was an obvious, non-controversial clean-up/move to reflect what the title was called on WWE TV, on WWE.com ( [3], [4]) and countless reliable wrestling news sites. However, many people would not leave the tag alone, determined to create an article in place of the redirect for a title that already has an article. One even moved the WWE Championship article to the incorrect title of "WWE World Championship". As such, the administrators see the move as controversial and will not delete the redirect or move the WWE Championship article over the redirect without consensus. Thanks for your time. CRRays Head90 | #OneMoreGame 19:13, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
It's a little stupid, but I prefer to be sure. I don't know much about 70's puroresu. Shohei Baba -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 22:30, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi there, I have made an article a few months ago about wXw Unified World Heavyweight Championship, wXw World Wrestling Tag Team Championship and wXw Shotgun Championship and all of them come up as WXw and it looks wierd so will you please change all three of them to capital WXW because I am unable to change it. And the wXw World Wrestling Tag Team Championship has the word 'wrestling' in it, the reason I added wrestling because there is another article with the same name WXW World Tag Team Championship and its from another organisation and the word wrestling I added is unofficial and now I regret it so will you please be kind and rename it to "WXW World Tag Team Championship (wrestling)" - Haxz.999
On the " wXw World Wrestling Tag Team Championship" will you please take the "Wrestling" out and put the "wrestling" in the end with brackets it will go like this wXw World Tag Team Championship (wrestling) because the title I made is not the official title name and there is another title with the same name from a different company.
The wXw Shotgun Championship has gone back to the old problem again will you please fix that?
Just to inform, after extensive work on the two PPV articles (ER12 is already a good article), I've nominated MITB11 for GA and hopefully FA later. For ER12, I'm sending it for peer review before pushing for featured article status. Thought it would be a good tribute to two excellent PPVs. Feel free to comment / review / improve the articles, thank you! Starship.paint ( talk) 08:38, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
At the suggestion of Starship.paint, after an edit I made, I'm going to reopen this discussion archived here.
Going by MOS:JARGON (Minimize jargon, or at least explain it... Do not introduce new and specialized words simply to teach them to the reader when more common alternatives will do.) I think it's clear that "insider" terms like (heel, babyface, etc.) should be avoided where possible in articles and certainly in headers. If a concise header description is difficult then the timeframe covered in the section can be used as a title, as with Mike Tyson#1999 to 2005. Articles on soap opera characters (like J.R. Ewing) or film characters (like Darth Vader) don't mention them "turning evil" or "turning good" but rather focus on the storylines, similarly Randy Savage becoming a fan favourite at WM7 deserves a mention but in the context of the storyline itself. Above all, the articles should be comprehensible to a reader who has no previous experience of watching pro wrestling.
Manual Of Style aside, I personally dislike use of "face" and "heel" because both are used so frequently in the lazy, mindless edits of the IP Fanboy Brigade who frequently insert both terms, heedless of accuracy, in a bid to make their mark on "teh intrenetz lawl" (or whatever they call it these days). If I had a beer for every time I've seen an IP editor add "thus turning heel" to an article then I'd be playing 22 with Jake Roberts... ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹ Speak 15:11, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
Anyway, we're lost in space. Headers. What do you think about my idea? Right now, some wreslters (mid carters) have 4 years as "various storylines" or "X champion" -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 21:03, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
Last night, I changed the format of the table on TLC's article a little bit to try to improve it, I was reverted thrice. Now I'd like to formally propose it for a consensus. I'd like to take the label of where a match happen out of the match number field and put in it's own row separating the matches. Like this:
No. | Result | Stipulations | Time |
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TLC Kickoff (Pre-Show) | |||
1 | Fandango (with Summer Rae) defeated Dolph Ziggler | Singles match | 4:21 |
Main Show | |||
1 | CM Punk defeated The Shield ( Dean Ambrose, Seth Rollins and Roman Reigns) | 3-on-1 Handicap match | 13:42 |
2 | AJ Lee (c) (with Tamina Snuka) defeated Natalya | Singles match for the WWE Divas Championship | 6:35 |
3 | Big E Langston (c) defeated Damien Sandow | Singles match for the WWE Intercontinental Championship | 6:28 |
4 | Cody Rhodes and Goldust (c) defeated Ryback and Curtis Axel, Big Show and Rey Mysterio and The Real Americans ( Jack Swagger and Antonio Cesaro) | Fatal Four Way tag team elimination match for the WWE Tag Team Championship | 21:05 |
5 | R-Truth (with Xavier Woods) defeated Brodus Clay (with The Funkadactyls ( Cameron and Naomi) and Tensai) | Singles match | 6:02 |
6 | Kofi Kingston defeated The Miz | No Disqualification match | 8:02 |
7 | The Wyatt Family ( Bray Wyatt, Luke Harper and Erick Rowan) defeated Daniel Bryan | 3-on-1 Handicap match | 12:24 |
8 | Randy Orton (c – WWE) defeated John Cena (c – World) | Tables, Ladders and Chairs match to unify both the WWE Championship and World Heavyweight Championship and name it both the WWE World Heavyweight Championship | 24:36 |
(c) – refers to the champion(s) heading into the match
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I think this can make the table easier to read, especially for the days when Heat preceded a PPV and there were multiple pre-show matches. Thanks for your time. CRRays Head90 | #OneMoreGame 12:59, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
I did mention that it was only a little change. However, the value in it is making the table easier to read and not stretching the columns. Take Fully Loaded (2000) as an example. Here's how the table looks now.
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Notice the number row is expanded to accommodate the multiple instances of "'''Sunday Night Heat'''"? The change I'm proposing fixes that and makes the table look better and function better. Why do we have words in the Number section? here's how it looks with my proposed change. The color can be changed to suit the event or we can choose a set color.
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IDK, it just seems like it'd be a no brainer to me. CRRays Head90 | #OneMoreGame 13:37, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
Found this cool collection of wrestling articles from "serious" papers. It's a blog format, but everything's cited and verbatim. I think it makes a great resource and should go in our Websites Proven Reliable. Yay? Nay? InedibleHulk (talk) 05:22, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
A Google site search on ImpactWrestling.com and general web/news searches all indicate it's called the TNA Knockouts Championship. I brought this up on the talk page, nobody agreed or disagreed. Figure it's mostly a lack of eyes, so what do you folks think? This would also affect List of TNA Women's Knockout Champions and a template or two. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:14, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi. I want to ask if can you approve Solowrestling as a reliable source. SW is a very good spanish website, like mexican Superluchas (also, some people think SW it's better because SL creates rumors). They usually take news from other websites, but sometimes, they write their own news. Also, SW traduces interviews (for example, the Austin Podcast). I think it's too similar to Superluchas. What do you say? -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 19:24, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
Feliz año nuevo. :) I'm now in 2014, Happy new year to everybody (even the people who I argue with) Drink carefully. -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 00:42, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
I noticed
Wrestla1967 changed Stevie Ray's real name to "Lash Rushay Huffman" (from Lane Steven Huffman). He used a reference which is no longer online (not even at archive.org) and claimed Booker T's autobiography backed it up. Does anyone have Booker T's book, and if so can they confirm this?
I'm suspicious about this as Wrestla1967's
talkpage history shows a number of (removed) comments from editors concerned with his renaming habits. A Google search only turned up "Lash Rushay Huffman" in sites which mirror or rip-off material from us.
ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹
Speak
20:46, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Okay, so User:Feedback brang up a good idea here about creating yearly articles for the WWE. Most participators in the discussion responded positively to the idea, with a question of whether to do yearly articles for pro wrestling in general or just the WWE. With the new year upon us, I assume it would be easier to start from the beginning and not in the middle or end of the year. Is anyone willing to start this in a sandbox, so we can work together to create the first article of this type for us. That way for every future year we will have a template to go off already. The two most important questions being, how are we gonna format the page, and what are we going to include in it. STATic message me! 07:34, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
Hello wrestling fans! This old abandoned Afc submission is about to be deleted as a stale draft. Is this a notable wrestler, and should the article be saved from deletion? — Anne Delong ( talk) 19:24, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Just a heads up, due to this you might want to watch out for vandals and unsourced info. CRRays Head90 | #OneMoreGame 21:34, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
I noticed that MIT Technology Review have listed one of our pages, List of WWE personnel, as the fourth most controversial topic on Wikipedia ( link) although they sadly got the article title wrong ("List of World Wrestling Entertainment, Inc. employees" is a redlink). The article was linked to in the current issue of The Wikipedia Signpost. So yeah, not even Jesus provokes as many reverts as WWE! I think Vince would like that. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹ Speak 13:12, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
"Dean Peters" to "Brady Boone". McPhail ( talk) 20:24, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
Given the outstanding support and participation of WP:PW members in removing the "promotional" article Brimstone from Wikipedia and WikiQuote... I was wondering if you all would like to continue to target similar articles. Of course, none are as bad to the degree of Brimstone, (EDIT: Ric Drasin might be) but they do require cleanup. Our project has a Cleanup List, and I would like to direct you to a few articles, namely...
We could work on Maestro and then down. Up for it, guys? Starship.paint ( talk) 07:10, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
This was the last edit made before a user named Strozilla started making edits. Something tells me Maestro had his hand in the article before that. This is probably what the article looked liked like before the autobiography took shape. Should we take the RealDealBillMcNeal route and level everything recent that isn't unsourced? I've found 411mania, onlineworldofwrestling, and personal Stro webpages for some of the recent stuff but I don't think we're going to dig up anything more reliable than that. Most of his recent career can be summed in a few sentences anyway. Right now he has more of catalog listing every match rather than an encyclopedia page. LM2000 ( talk) 08:17, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
Hi. One year later, I remember to made some deletions. Four of them were discussed one year ago. However, result was keep because we made a multiple deletion and the articles weren't similar between them. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hade Vansen (2nd nomination) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steven Slocum (2nd nomination) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Devin Driscoll (2nd nomination) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scotty O (2nd nomination) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Seth Skyfire They are similar (please, don't put them together): wrestler who spent some time in OVW or FCW and made nothing in WWE or other notable promotion.-- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 20:03, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
Sid Vicious (wrestler) to Sid Eudy. McPhail ( talk) 19:51, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
There is an ongoing move discussion; comment while it lasts. -- George Ho ( talk) 01:57, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
Another move request for this article has been made. -- George Ho ( talk) 05:00, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
An old friend has returned and has recreated the Destination X (2013) article long after everyone thought that discussion was over. LM2000 ( talk) 21:48, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
Heat - July 23, 2000
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).