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By the way, one of the main reasons why WP articles in metaphysics are so problematic is that WP tries to have separate articles for each term/concept, but, in metaphysics, the concepts are so tightly interlinked that you cannot write about one without (just about) equally writing about several others. This is most clearly so when the concepts are opposites, like endurantism vs. perdurantism, for example. By analogy, try writing an article on 'goodness' without mentioning 'badness', 'light' without mentioning 'dark', etc. Stho002 ( talk) 08:11, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
There are reasons to believe that the article Four-dimensionalism may be either (a) redundant , and/or (b) should redirect to another article, or (c) should disambiguate the term four-dimensionalism and direct readers to the appropriate main articles. See Four-dimensionalism#Elephant_in_the_room_-_possible_redundancy where editors are invited to express their views. — Philogos ( talk) 20:29, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
The lead to cyberethics didn't define the subject, so I rewrote it. It's better than it was, but it still seems a bit off. Something's lacking. Please take a look. The Transhumanist 06:46, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
The two envelopes problem is usually seen as a paradox in probability or in mathematical economics. However there is also a version "without probability" due to the logician Smullyan. Maybe some folks in the philosophy project have interest in this article. There are a number of competing "solutions" to Smullyan's paradox by logicians/philosophers, generally using ideas from the theory of counterfactual reasoning, and all of them very technical. It is very difficult for a non-expert to give succinct summaries.
The situation: you pick one of two closed envelopes, one of which contains twice the amount of money in it as the other, and both amounts are greater than zero. Smullyan pointed out that you can say both:
How can the amount I gain if I gain both be equal, and be not equal, to the amount I lose if I lose?
Actually, to my (scientist's) mind the paradox merely exposes the inadequacy of common language: write out a mathematical description of the situation and the paradox vanishes. Moreover I think that Smullyan's *problem* is not actually probability-free (though his analysis is). In the beginning of the problem we are told that we pick one of two closed envelopes. The symmetry of this situation and the arbitrariness of our choice is an ingredient which many would formalize using subjectivist probability. This ingredient tells us that we are perfectly indifferent to swapping our envelope (closed) for the other. Neither of Smullyan's two arguments bring this crypto-probability ingredient into play. Their apparent contradiction shows, to my mind, the meaninglessness of the comparison between what you would win if you would win with what you would lose if you would lose. A statement which is meaningless has a meaningless negation and no contradiction results by arriving at both. Is it worth while to pick apart the argument and say where exactly it goes wrong? Richard Gill ( talk) 14:09, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
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I'm trying to improve the article at Russell's teapot (Bertrand Russell's analogy relating to the burden of proof and other matters regarding the existence of God). I've added criticism of the analogy from an article specifically on the subject from a refereed, peer reviewed journal of philosophy. An editor keeps deleting the contribution for POV reasons based on bogus objections. I'm trying to improve the quality of the article. It is currently sourced to popular works by nonexperts - Wired Magazine, the New Republic, Richard Dawkins. Help would be appreciated. Mamalujo ( talk) 16:52, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
User is acting aggressively on the article's talk page [1] wanting to replace the official peer-reviewed definition in the article with a definition written by him/herself.
Some of you are admins, so please help. Thank you. Tkorrovi ( talk) 13:12, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
Please someone else here help me. I leave the discussion page of that article for now because i'm not willing to participate in the frenzy argument initiated by the said user. So it all would be now in your hands. I wanted to defend the article. I have edited that article for the last seven years. Thank you for reading this.
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There is an AfD here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of years in philosophy. An editor (not me) has volunteered to help improve that set of List articles, but would like some help. Anyone interested should speak up at the AfD. -- Noleander ( talk) 06:22, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
Was/is C. S. Lewis a philosopher, or of concern to philosophy? I hadn't thought so, but my interest in philosophy is merely dilettantish (and my knowledge of Lewis next to zero) and thus I am not qualified to judge. Why then do I ask? See this. -- Hoary ( talk) 00:22, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
The article Stephen Palmquist has been proposed for deletion. I can't really tell whether this is someone who should be covered better, or just the sort of CV-style article which is little more than a list of publications. One starting point on such questions is WP:PROF but I don't have any knowledge of the philosophy literature which is why I'm mentioning it here. Kingdon ( talk) 01:19, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
Hello, this seems to be the only active philosophy discussion on Wikipedia, so I'm posting this here. I am writing an article for David Armstrong's The Nature of Mind. This is the first article I have attempted to write from scratch, and I'd appreciate it if somebody experienced and knowledgeable could take a look at it so far. There are a few things I'm not clear on:
I've also had a go at improving The Need for Roots, if anyone feels like going over that.
So yeah. It would be great if someone could take a look. DrJimothyCatface ( talk) 07:11, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
I have nominated Stephen Palmquist and synthetic logic for deletion. See above under #Stephen Palmquist as well as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stephen Palmquist and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Synthetic logic. Ozob ( talk) 11:34, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
An editor appear more than keen to change the article Argument (which had been hitherto remarkably stable) by changing its lede, its subject and content so that it refers to so-called "world disclosing arguments" and links to another the article, World disclosure. Would other editors care to take a look?— Philogos ( talk) 01:20, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
This shows the result of
User:Walkinxyz's revised edit. Re the following words inserted in the first sentence
a claim, or set of claims, supported in principle by one or more reason(s), or by evidence that justifies the claim.[1][2] In strict terms, an argument is sometimes defined as
The inserted words (a) avoid using the terms premise and conclusion substituting the terms "reason or evidence" and "claim" respectively (b) say that an argument can have more than one or more "claims" (conclusions). I do not recognise this as the usual definition of "argument", it does not concur with the cited sources. Can anyone prode a RS in support of the inserted words? The phrase "In strict terms, an argument is sometimes defined as" will surely confuse the reader. Do other editors believe that User:Walkinxyz's edit has improved the article?
— Philogos ( talk) 22:13, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
1 Multiple-conclusion arguments Ordinary arguments can have any number of premises but only one conclusion.
In logic and philosophy, an argument is a statement that a person makes in the attempt to persuade someone of something, or give reasons for accepting a particular conclusion.
Many of the edits made to this article this year here do not appear to respect the need for a neutral point view. I am particularly concerned with the changes in the lede, including a change in the subject of the article. Do other editors believe that the changes made by Walkinxyz and User:174.119.72.51 have improved the article?— Philogos ( talk) 22:49, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
All seek the views of other editors.— Philogos ( talk) 05:30, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
FYI, Jonathan Glover has been nominated for deletion, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jonathan Glover (not by me). Please chime in pro or con. GcSwRhIc ( talk) 15:02, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
'What is a fallacy? Researchers disagree about how to define the very term “fallacy.” Focusing just on fallacies in sense ... fallacies of argumentation, some researchers define a fallacy as an argument that is deductively invalid or that has very little inductive strength. Because examples of false dilemma, inconsistent premises, and begging the question are valid arguments in this sense, this definition misses some standard fallacies. Other researchers say a fallacy is a mistake in an argument that arises from something other than merely false premises. But the false dilemma fallacy is due to false premises. Still other researchers define a fallacy as an argument that is not good. Good arguments are then defined as those that are deductively valid or inductively strong, and that contain only true, well-established premises, but are not question-begging. A complaint with this definition is that its requirement of truth would improperly lead to calling too much scientific reasoning fallacious; every time a new scientific discovery caused scientists to label a previously well-established claim as false, all the scientists who used that claim as a premise would become fallacious reasoners.' [5]
OK, maybe I'll try an argument or two: Absolutism says that P is True; Relativism says that P is true only in relation to Q.
Relativism universally holds in the real world, so far without any known exceptions (only God is absolute, if you're of faith), both subjectively with regard to individuals and groups, and objectively in science (very much including Darwin's theory, where P=species, Q=the changing environment).
Plato did NOT reject relativism. But he did make up the fallacy that "relativism says that everything is true" in the Theaeteus, at the cost of his unfortunate victim Protagoras. Plato implies so much in words, right there. Aristotle copied this caricature to favor his own metaphysics against then superior competition. The article we have is pure BS. BlueMist ( talk) 00:50, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
If the article is based on this text then the title would be justified. If somebody suggest that one of one's beliefs is or is based on a fallacy, then gratitude for the warning rather than taking offense would be surely be the appropriate response. (Yes I know, human nature being what it is, most people would rather die the death of a thousand cuts rather than admit they may have made a mistake.
There is an RFC on the addition of identifier links to citations by bots. Please comment. Headbomb { talk / contribs / physics / books} 15:55, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
This is a challenging topic for a Wikipedia article, since views vary as widely as could be imagined, from those who do not believe it exists to those who believe it is the most important thing in the universe, and every possible variant. Until recently our article has been in pretty bad shape, incoherently structured and full of cruft. I and a few others have been working it over -- I believe we have now removed most of the cruft and given the article a robust global structure. There is still a good bit of work to be done, though, including to the Philosophy section, which ought to be expanded to discuss a wider range of views. I would like to invite editors who are well versed in the philosophy of mind to take a look at the article and make improvements if there are any that occur to you.
One issue in particular: I have left in the article a section discussing consciousness as viewed in Hinduism and Tibetan Buddhism. I think this is probably something worth covering, but I can't evaluate the material and really can hardly understand it -- it doesn't seem very useful to me as currently written. If there are any editors around with special knowledge of the topic, further opinions would be useful. Looie496 ( talk) 20:44, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
There are some high quality philosophy articles on Wikipedia, but generally I've noticed "fallacies" are in a poor state. Some of these articles in my opinion just shouldn't exist -- they are not terms used by philosophers or in any other field. I have done some "prod"ding and marking for merge. Just now I came across " fallacy of necessity" which looks valid but had what looks like a totally wrong example (see talk page, please correct me if I'm mistaken). This example stood on the page for about three years. There's probably a high benefit-to-work ratio if some philosophically-inclined regular contributor had a good read through of all such articles and did some reshuffling, trimming, and a bit of writing. I'm more of a Wikipedia reader than contributor, so at my pace, it will be a long time. -- 174.119.182.107 ( talk) 01:35, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
This article is linked to this project: Dominant group. To me, not an expert, it seems to be a bit unclear. If this is an important concept it would be nice if the meaning was made more clear, besides being a group that dominates other groups. Thanks. BigJim707 ( talk) 19:45, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
Discussions as to what the article should and should not contain have restarted on Talk:Criticism of Judaism, and outside comments would be helpful. Please see the archives and Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Noleander#Discretionary sanctions for history and active sanctions. Thank you. -- Avi ( talk) 05:50, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
A while ago, the very sparse and mostly redundant article on Legal rights was merged together with the article on Natural rights into Natural and legal rights, an article comparing and contrasting the two (which is most of what the Natural Rights article was about, while the Legal Rights article was almost entirely redundant with Rights simpliciter). Compare similar comparative articles on rights theory such as Negative and positive rights, Claim rights and liberty rights, and Individual and group rights
Now someone has split off Legal right into a stubby article which, while a bit more substantial than what was there before the merger, still shouldn't be its own article, in my opinion. I think the content added there should be added to Natural and legal rights instead (which needs more weight on the legal rights side of things), and Legal right (or Legal rights - rights articles all use the plural) redirect there, as before.
I invite anyone interested to please join the discussion on this matter at Talk:Legal_right#Split_again.3F -- Pfhorrest ( talk) 00:51, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
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202.124.73.181 (
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02:34, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
I noticed that the page Planking (fad) is included in this WikiProject, under the anarchism task force. Personally, I find the link tenuous at best - I am not sure it should really be part of this WikiProject. I can see its relevance to Psychology and Sociology, but not Philosophy. ItsZippy ( talk) 21:21, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi. Readers at this page may be interested in contributing to the discussion at Talk:Jeffersonian democracy#Requested move. Thanks in advance for any input. - GTBacchus( talk) 16:40, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
-- Anthonyhcole ( talk) 13:27, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
On the talk page for the article "General_semantics" I have announced an intention to make major editing changes. In its changed form, the article will present general semantics more as a practice than as a theory. It is not my prerogative to dictate whether or not the philosophy project will continue to incorporate general semantics among your concerns, but members of this project may wish to re-evaluate the inclusion of general semantics following the article changes that I anticipate introducing the second or third week of October 2011. Canhelp ( talk) 00:17, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
Just so you know, Irenaean theodicy is currently a Good Article nominee. If anyone wants to review it, I'd be grateful. ItsZippy ( talk • contributions) 19:14, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
I've also nominated Augustinian theodicy as a Good Article too. Both need review, if anyone is interested. ItsZippy ( talk • contributions) 21:08, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
There's a proposal to adjust one of the main section titles used in "Wikipedia's contents", which will also affect the order in which the section titles are presented. See Portal talk:Contents#Proposal for main section title adjustment. The Transhumanist 02:26, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
An effort has begun to improve science to GA and, with luck, to FA status -- see Talk:Science if you are interested in participating. Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 12:42, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
This page is a mess: Biopower. Huge paragraphs of unreferenced text. Unintelligeble sentences. Looks to be the work of a single person. Wouldn't know where to begin cleaning it up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.33.187.117 ( talk) 08:03, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
What is the consensus, is Camille Paglia a philosopher or not? She has been removed from categories and the project tag was removed as well. There are plenty of sources that refer to her as a philosopher, including ones that call her a prominent philosopher. There are also some that claim she is not a philosopher. She doesn't refer to herself as a philosopher, and takes a dim view of the term "philosopher," however I don't think that is a necessarily a determining factor. Greg Bard ( talk) 22:29, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
Please see Talk:Converse_(logic)#Conversion_and_converse for a proposal to merge/redirect. -- 202.124.72.170 ( talk) 12:28, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
Let me note that I just nominated consciousness for a Good Article review. I have a ridiculous fantasy of eventually going for FA, so it would be very cool to get a thorough review from somebody who knows a bit of the literature on the topic, if that is at all possible. Looie496 ( talk) 23:42, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Fellow Wikipedians, I have taken the initiative, in consultation with a few others, to draft a WikiProject for Bibliographies. I hope it will be of interest to members of this project. The genesis of this effort has been a recent spate of AfD nominations of lists of publications. For the most part, the articles were not deleted, but that doesn’t mean many of them didn’t need work. A WP article entitled List of subject publications or any list of works, is by any other name, a Bibliography. Bibliographies within WP are specifically identified as a form of List in WP:List, are subject to List notability guidelines and the List Manual of Style. Unfortunately, many of the existing Bibliographies (or lists of publications) are not up to these standards. And there’s a high probability that new lists of publications or new Bibliographies won’t completely meet these standards as well, unless we as a community bring greater visibility to this genre of lists.
So the explicit goals of this draft project are to establish project-level advice for creating good bibliographies, gradually bring the existing set of bibliographies (400+) up to standard and to encourage editors to create bibliographies on topics and authors where appropriate. The goal is not to create bibliographies of everything or on everything.
I think the draft Bibliography project is logically connected to this project and members here would have a lot to contribute. If you are interested in participating, please sign up on the draft project page. If we get sufficient interest, I will move the draft into the Wikipedia space and we can press on. Also, please don’t hesitate to make suggestions on the draft here. I am sure it can be improved, will need some work to comply with Project guidelines and that it will evolve as this thing gets going. Thanks in advance for your support.-- Mike Cline ( talk) 19:40, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
Hello everyone, I'm just popping over from WikiProject Linguistics with a quick request: would you mind if I put a link back to WP Linguistics from the Philosophy of Language task force navbar? There is a link to the taskforce from the WP Linguistics navbar, but once a user clicks on it they don't have a way of getting back to WP Linguistics, should they so desire. (Well, there's always the back button, but I digress.) Let me know what you think. Regards — Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 16:39, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
How do I go about getting Otium reassessed to possible B-Class and getting an assessment of "importance"?-- Doug Coldwell talk 15:33, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
Over the past few weeks, I've slowly been improving the ontological argument article and more recently have overhauled the section on Kant's opposition. I would just appreciate it if someone could read over the section to just check it over - ensuring the facts are right, there's no synthesis, the sources are reliable and the like. I'm watching this page, but if anyone who does this could post on my talk page, I'd find that helpful. Thanks. ItsZippy ( talk • contributions) 22:39, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
I'm thinking that Irenaean theodicy could be given an importance rating of middle (up from low), as it is a mainstream response to the problem of evil. Would anyone support that change? ItsZippy ( talk • contributions) 21:42, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
@Greathouse Oh man! Do you mean people don't know about the log?! I have it mentioned on the front project page as 'something you can do to help the project.' Anytime an assessment banner is newly placed, newly removed, changed by more than one level, or a rename occurs, the change is recorded at: The WP:PHILO log. The same is true for every subdivision, i.e. ethics, metaphysics, etc. One of the things I do routinely is go through them one by one. Please do feel free! Greg Bard ( talk) 20:15, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
Could someone look at ontological argument please? I think it is probably high but, as I've recently been improving it, it'd be good to get an uninvolved editor to make the decision. ItsZippy ( talk • contributions) 20:55, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
The page semiotics of the structure is up for deletion at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Semiotics_of_the_structure Tkuvho ( talk) 13:43, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
Portal:Arts is now up for portal peer review, the review page is at Wikipedia:Portal peer review/Arts/archive1. I've put a bit of effort into this as part of a featured portal drive related to portals linked from the top-right corner of the Main Page, and feedback would be appreciated prior to featured portal candidacy. Thank you for your time, — Cirt ( talk) 07:01, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
About 30 articles (so far) have been removed from the project by editor Quisquiliae ( contributions). This may be the result of the fact that some of these articles were placed into the project with a generous notion of what the project should be monitoring. Some may be taken out due to the fresh perspective of a relatively new editor. However, I think perhaps the issue could use more eyes on it. Greg Bard ( talk) 20:10, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
I am sure everything will work out just fine. The banner, and the ratings just aren't supposed to be a contentious issue. They are mostly guidelines, and the actual article content is much more important. Greg Bard ( talk) 23:02, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
Apologies for causing disruption. I came to this via this page [6] which lists 'philosophy articles'. It turns out it links to the Philosophy project template on talk pages. I think of a philosophy article primarily as one which actually talks about the subject. Thus Philosophy of mind. Secondarily, as one about a philosopher, namely, someone who engages in or writes or teaches philosophy. Thus Aristotle. It seems very odd to me that an article on Anarky (a comic book character) or the Illuminatus Trilogy (a spoof on conspiracy theory) should be called articles on philosophy.
I believe that Wikipedia has requirements on 'reliable sourcing'. I have many reliable sources on philosophy. I can't source the Illuminatus Trilogy in any of these. I.e. I can't find any reliable source that says it is a work of philosophy. Can someone locate a reliable source that says the subject is part of philosophy, properly so-called? Regards Quisquiliae ( talk) 08:50, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
article | AL comment | Cast reverted? |
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Talk:List of works by Joseph Priestley | yes | |
Talk:George Orwell bibliography | yes | |
Talk:Zhang Heng | yes | |
Talk:Shen Kuo | yes | |
Talk:Samuel Johnson | yes | |
Talk:Maximus the Confessor | yes | |
Talk:Maria: or, The Wrongs of Woman | yes | |
Talk:Learned Hand | yes | |
Talk:La Peau de chagrin | yes | |
Talk:Ion Heliade Rădulescu | yes | |
Talk:Anarky | no | |
Talk:Transhumanism | yes | |
Talk:The Illuminatus! Trilogy | yes | |
Talk:Mary Wollstonecraft | yes | |
Talk:Joseph Priestley | yes | |
Talk:John Dee | keep | yes |
Talk:John Calvin | keep | yes |
Talk:Johannes Kepler | keep | yes |
Talk:Hippocrates | keep | yes |
Talk:Georg Cantor | keep | yes |
Talk:Confirmation bias | keep | yes |
Talk:Alfred Russel Wallace | keep | yes |
Talk:Archimedes | keep | yes |
Talk:A Vindication of the Rights of Woman | yes | |
Talk:A Vindication of the Rights of Men | yes | |
Talk:Rabindranath Tagore | no | |
Talk:Law | yes | |
Talk:History of evolutionary thought | keep | yes |
Talk:Evolution | no | |
Talk:Emma Goldman | no | |
Talk:Charles Darwin | keep | no |
Talk:Anekantavada | yes |
Personally I think some of these probably can be cut?-- Andrew Lancaster ( talk) 10:06, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
I think there's a danger here of conflating standards and inclusion criteria for the encyclopaedia itself and the back-office maintenance work, that is to say how the John Dee article characterises his contributions if any to philosophy is a question of a lot more seriousness and deference to established sources than whether or not it is useful for WikiProject Philosophy to keep an eye on the article.
As for the list of articles above, some ought to be removed certainly, some of the removals were just silly (
A Vindication of the Rights of Men?
Georg Cantor?!) but many of the at-first-glance-odd inclusions be accounted for by their relevance to the task forces.
Emma Goldman for instance would not likely appear in a compendium of philosophers, but is she relevant to the remit of the Social & political task force? Absolutely. The task forces sharing an assessment scheme with WP:PHIL is less than ideal, particularly due to inconsistent application of |importance=
ratings as Greg notes, but it's ultimately just a maintenance arrangement, no big deal.
Skomorokh
12:20, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
(comment)Note that "Beyond Necessity" is known to be the work of User:Peter Damian, a banned user known for evading said ban under a series of sockpuppets and IPs (109.*)... -- Ckatz chat spy 19:33, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
Could I just request that Evolution and Charles Darwin are restored to this WikiProject. I judge project inclusion to be determined by what influence or impact an idea, work or person has had on philosophy. As I said above, Charles Darwin and his theory of evolution has had strong implications for the teleological argument, creationism, the Irenaean theodicy, the intelligent design movement, atheism, Richard Dawkins and more. Evolution especially has a strong bearing on whether God created the world, whether science makes philosophy/religion redundant and whether God should be held accountable for suffering in the world. These are clearly important philosophical issues, which would merit the inclusion of both Evolution and Charles Darwin. ItsZippy ( talk • contributions) 22:15, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
I think this is a wonderful discussion. I hope people increasingly take it upon themselves to adjust ratings, add and remove project banners, etcetera. However they really are not very important themselves. They are a good thing to help categorize the article. It is a good thing to get this type of discussion out of the way before making changes to the main article. I go through all the new articles to see which ones to add. I do use the standard that being in the scope of the project means "of interest to the project." So the catch 22 is that, if there is no philosophical content, I don't see any reason to add it to the project. However, in many cases there appears to be at least something there that can be expanded and I do add it to the project. Many of those perhaps do even not belong in the project. The "low" importance category is full of questionable ones, and some that should be promoted. However, I am not so expert as to say which ones all by myself. The log has not been updated since before this whole discussion started. So the the next update should be interesting. Greg Bard ( talk) 21:04, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
Hello, new editor here so I apologize if I am not doing this correctly. Been reading the Chinese Philosophy page and I am quite dissattisfied with it. Are there standards the Philosophy pages follow for creating big general pages like that? I am just torn between whether the article should be rewritten so it is more a nexus to other pages, or if it should be more like a summary of all of Chinese philosophy or even a history of Chinese philosophical developments. I imagine some sort of connection with standards with the Philosophy projects at large would be helpful?-- Shadowy Sorcerer ( talk) 09:27, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
Please see: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Conservative Christianity BigJim707 ( talk) 18:55, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
Hi, there seems to be some contention on how to read http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/40634/atheism#.
Could someone please weigh in on whether the first paragraph is a summary of the article or a strawman argument dismantled in the later development of it. No, I am not joking. Thanks! u n☯ mi 14:21, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
I have recently done a lot of work on the article about Ptolemy's Tetrabiblos. This is an the famous 2nd century astrological work and since much of the content has strong connections with philosophical principles I would like to propose the page as one of interest to this project, and include your project banner on the talk page - would that be OK?
The article is currently under review for FA status. Unfortunately it has had mixed reviews and the critical reviewers feel it needs independent assesment from members of projects such as this. The positive reviews have come from members of the Wiki:astrology project and I am sure you can see the problem of having just a few reviews from editors with strong opinions on the subject matter. If anyone here would be prepared to offer a personal assesment for the review discussion, that would be extremely helpful. It has been hard to find editors with good knowledge of the philosophical issues involved who are able to offer assesment concerning the quality of the article and the discussion of its theme. Any constructive criticism is welcome as usual on the talk page too. Hope some of the members here will have a natural interest in this. In any event, please let me know if it's OK to use your banner and associate the page with this project. -- Zac Δ talk! 02:03, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
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By the way, one of the main reasons why WP articles in metaphysics are so problematic is that WP tries to have separate articles for each term/concept, but, in metaphysics, the concepts are so tightly interlinked that you cannot write about one without (just about) equally writing about several others. This is most clearly so when the concepts are opposites, like endurantism vs. perdurantism, for example. By analogy, try writing an article on 'goodness' without mentioning 'badness', 'light' without mentioning 'dark', etc. Stho002 ( talk) 08:11, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
There are reasons to believe that the article Four-dimensionalism may be either (a) redundant , and/or (b) should redirect to another article, or (c) should disambiguate the term four-dimensionalism and direct readers to the appropriate main articles. See Four-dimensionalism#Elephant_in_the_room_-_possible_redundancy where editors are invited to express their views. — Philogos ( talk) 20:29, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
The lead to cyberethics didn't define the subject, so I rewrote it. It's better than it was, but it still seems a bit off. Something's lacking. Please take a look. The Transhumanist 06:46, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
The two envelopes problem is usually seen as a paradox in probability or in mathematical economics. However there is also a version "without probability" due to the logician Smullyan. Maybe some folks in the philosophy project have interest in this article. There are a number of competing "solutions" to Smullyan's paradox by logicians/philosophers, generally using ideas from the theory of counterfactual reasoning, and all of them very technical. It is very difficult for a non-expert to give succinct summaries.
The situation: you pick one of two closed envelopes, one of which contains twice the amount of money in it as the other, and both amounts are greater than zero. Smullyan pointed out that you can say both:
How can the amount I gain if I gain both be equal, and be not equal, to the amount I lose if I lose?
Actually, to my (scientist's) mind the paradox merely exposes the inadequacy of common language: write out a mathematical description of the situation and the paradox vanishes. Moreover I think that Smullyan's *problem* is not actually probability-free (though his analysis is). In the beginning of the problem we are told that we pick one of two closed envelopes. The symmetry of this situation and the arbitrariness of our choice is an ingredient which many would formalize using subjectivist probability. This ingredient tells us that we are perfectly indifferent to swapping our envelope (closed) for the other. Neither of Smullyan's two arguments bring this crypto-probability ingredient into play. Their apparent contradiction shows, to my mind, the meaninglessness of the comparison between what you would win if you would win with what you would lose if you would lose. A statement which is meaningless has a meaningless negation and no contradiction results by arriving at both. Is it worth while to pick apart the argument and say where exactly it goes wrong? Richard Gill ( talk) 14:09, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
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I'm trying to improve the article at Russell's teapot (Bertrand Russell's analogy relating to the burden of proof and other matters regarding the existence of God). I've added criticism of the analogy from an article specifically on the subject from a refereed, peer reviewed journal of philosophy. An editor keeps deleting the contribution for POV reasons based on bogus objections. I'm trying to improve the quality of the article. It is currently sourced to popular works by nonexperts - Wired Magazine, the New Republic, Richard Dawkins. Help would be appreciated. Mamalujo ( talk) 16:52, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
User is acting aggressively on the article's talk page [1] wanting to replace the official peer-reviewed definition in the article with a definition written by him/herself.
Some of you are admins, so please help. Thank you. Tkorrovi ( talk) 13:12, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
Please someone else here help me. I leave the discussion page of that article for now because i'm not willing to participate in the frenzy argument initiated by the said user. So it all would be now in your hands. I wanted to defend the article. I have edited that article for the last seven years. Thank you for reading this.
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There is an AfD here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of years in philosophy. An editor (not me) has volunteered to help improve that set of List articles, but would like some help. Anyone interested should speak up at the AfD. -- Noleander ( talk) 06:22, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
Was/is C. S. Lewis a philosopher, or of concern to philosophy? I hadn't thought so, but my interest in philosophy is merely dilettantish (and my knowledge of Lewis next to zero) and thus I am not qualified to judge. Why then do I ask? See this. -- Hoary ( talk) 00:22, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
The article Stephen Palmquist has been proposed for deletion. I can't really tell whether this is someone who should be covered better, or just the sort of CV-style article which is little more than a list of publications. One starting point on such questions is WP:PROF but I don't have any knowledge of the philosophy literature which is why I'm mentioning it here. Kingdon ( talk) 01:19, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
Hello, this seems to be the only active philosophy discussion on Wikipedia, so I'm posting this here. I am writing an article for David Armstrong's The Nature of Mind. This is the first article I have attempted to write from scratch, and I'd appreciate it if somebody experienced and knowledgeable could take a look at it so far. There are a few things I'm not clear on:
I've also had a go at improving The Need for Roots, if anyone feels like going over that.
So yeah. It would be great if someone could take a look. DrJimothyCatface ( talk) 07:11, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
I have nominated Stephen Palmquist and synthetic logic for deletion. See above under #Stephen Palmquist as well as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stephen Palmquist and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Synthetic logic. Ozob ( talk) 11:34, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
An editor appear more than keen to change the article Argument (which had been hitherto remarkably stable) by changing its lede, its subject and content so that it refers to so-called "world disclosing arguments" and links to another the article, World disclosure. Would other editors care to take a look?— Philogos ( talk) 01:20, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
This shows the result of
User:Walkinxyz's revised edit. Re the following words inserted in the first sentence
a claim, or set of claims, supported in principle by one or more reason(s), or by evidence that justifies the claim.[1][2] In strict terms, an argument is sometimes defined as
The inserted words (a) avoid using the terms premise and conclusion substituting the terms "reason or evidence" and "claim" respectively (b) say that an argument can have more than one or more "claims" (conclusions). I do not recognise this as the usual definition of "argument", it does not concur with the cited sources. Can anyone prode a RS in support of the inserted words? The phrase "In strict terms, an argument is sometimes defined as" will surely confuse the reader. Do other editors believe that User:Walkinxyz's edit has improved the article?
— Philogos ( talk) 22:13, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
1 Multiple-conclusion arguments Ordinary arguments can have any number of premises but only one conclusion.
In logic and philosophy, an argument is a statement that a person makes in the attempt to persuade someone of something, or give reasons for accepting a particular conclusion.
Many of the edits made to this article this year here do not appear to respect the need for a neutral point view. I am particularly concerned with the changes in the lede, including a change in the subject of the article. Do other editors believe that the changes made by Walkinxyz and User:174.119.72.51 have improved the article?— Philogos ( talk) 22:49, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
All seek the views of other editors.— Philogos ( talk) 05:30, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
FYI, Jonathan Glover has been nominated for deletion, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jonathan Glover (not by me). Please chime in pro or con. GcSwRhIc ( talk) 15:02, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
'What is a fallacy? Researchers disagree about how to define the very term “fallacy.” Focusing just on fallacies in sense ... fallacies of argumentation, some researchers define a fallacy as an argument that is deductively invalid or that has very little inductive strength. Because examples of false dilemma, inconsistent premises, and begging the question are valid arguments in this sense, this definition misses some standard fallacies. Other researchers say a fallacy is a mistake in an argument that arises from something other than merely false premises. But the false dilemma fallacy is due to false premises. Still other researchers define a fallacy as an argument that is not good. Good arguments are then defined as those that are deductively valid or inductively strong, and that contain only true, well-established premises, but are not question-begging. A complaint with this definition is that its requirement of truth would improperly lead to calling too much scientific reasoning fallacious; every time a new scientific discovery caused scientists to label a previously well-established claim as false, all the scientists who used that claim as a premise would become fallacious reasoners.' [5]
OK, maybe I'll try an argument or two: Absolutism says that P is True; Relativism says that P is true only in relation to Q.
Relativism universally holds in the real world, so far without any known exceptions (only God is absolute, if you're of faith), both subjectively with regard to individuals and groups, and objectively in science (very much including Darwin's theory, where P=species, Q=the changing environment).
Plato did NOT reject relativism. But he did make up the fallacy that "relativism says that everything is true" in the Theaeteus, at the cost of his unfortunate victim Protagoras. Plato implies so much in words, right there. Aristotle copied this caricature to favor his own metaphysics against then superior competition. The article we have is pure BS. BlueMist ( talk) 00:50, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
If the article is based on this text then the title would be justified. If somebody suggest that one of one's beliefs is or is based on a fallacy, then gratitude for the warning rather than taking offense would be surely be the appropriate response. (Yes I know, human nature being what it is, most people would rather die the death of a thousand cuts rather than admit they may have made a mistake.
There is an RFC on the addition of identifier links to citations by bots. Please comment. Headbomb { talk / contribs / physics / books} 15:55, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
This is a challenging topic for a Wikipedia article, since views vary as widely as could be imagined, from those who do not believe it exists to those who believe it is the most important thing in the universe, and every possible variant. Until recently our article has been in pretty bad shape, incoherently structured and full of cruft. I and a few others have been working it over -- I believe we have now removed most of the cruft and given the article a robust global structure. There is still a good bit of work to be done, though, including to the Philosophy section, which ought to be expanded to discuss a wider range of views. I would like to invite editors who are well versed in the philosophy of mind to take a look at the article and make improvements if there are any that occur to you.
One issue in particular: I have left in the article a section discussing consciousness as viewed in Hinduism and Tibetan Buddhism. I think this is probably something worth covering, but I can't evaluate the material and really can hardly understand it -- it doesn't seem very useful to me as currently written. If there are any editors around with special knowledge of the topic, further opinions would be useful. Looie496 ( talk) 20:44, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
There are some high quality philosophy articles on Wikipedia, but generally I've noticed "fallacies" are in a poor state. Some of these articles in my opinion just shouldn't exist -- they are not terms used by philosophers or in any other field. I have done some "prod"ding and marking for merge. Just now I came across " fallacy of necessity" which looks valid but had what looks like a totally wrong example (see talk page, please correct me if I'm mistaken). This example stood on the page for about three years. There's probably a high benefit-to-work ratio if some philosophically-inclined regular contributor had a good read through of all such articles and did some reshuffling, trimming, and a bit of writing. I'm more of a Wikipedia reader than contributor, so at my pace, it will be a long time. -- 174.119.182.107 ( talk) 01:35, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
This article is linked to this project: Dominant group. To me, not an expert, it seems to be a bit unclear. If this is an important concept it would be nice if the meaning was made more clear, besides being a group that dominates other groups. Thanks. BigJim707 ( talk) 19:45, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
Discussions as to what the article should and should not contain have restarted on Talk:Criticism of Judaism, and outside comments would be helpful. Please see the archives and Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Noleander#Discretionary sanctions for history and active sanctions. Thank you. -- Avi ( talk) 05:50, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
A while ago, the very sparse and mostly redundant article on Legal rights was merged together with the article on Natural rights into Natural and legal rights, an article comparing and contrasting the two (which is most of what the Natural Rights article was about, while the Legal Rights article was almost entirely redundant with Rights simpliciter). Compare similar comparative articles on rights theory such as Negative and positive rights, Claim rights and liberty rights, and Individual and group rights
Now someone has split off Legal right into a stubby article which, while a bit more substantial than what was there before the merger, still shouldn't be its own article, in my opinion. I think the content added there should be added to Natural and legal rights instead (which needs more weight on the legal rights side of things), and Legal right (or Legal rights - rights articles all use the plural) redirect there, as before.
I invite anyone interested to please join the discussion on this matter at Talk:Legal_right#Split_again.3F -- Pfhorrest ( talk) 00:51, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
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202.124.73.181 (
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I noticed that the page Planking (fad) is included in this WikiProject, under the anarchism task force. Personally, I find the link tenuous at best - I am not sure it should really be part of this WikiProject. I can see its relevance to Psychology and Sociology, but not Philosophy. ItsZippy ( talk) 21:21, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi. Readers at this page may be interested in contributing to the discussion at Talk:Jeffersonian democracy#Requested move. Thanks in advance for any input. - GTBacchus( talk) 16:40, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
-- Anthonyhcole ( talk) 13:27, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
On the talk page for the article "General_semantics" I have announced an intention to make major editing changes. In its changed form, the article will present general semantics more as a practice than as a theory. It is not my prerogative to dictate whether or not the philosophy project will continue to incorporate general semantics among your concerns, but members of this project may wish to re-evaluate the inclusion of general semantics following the article changes that I anticipate introducing the second or third week of October 2011. Canhelp ( talk) 00:17, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
Just so you know, Irenaean theodicy is currently a Good Article nominee. If anyone wants to review it, I'd be grateful. ItsZippy ( talk • contributions) 19:14, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
I've also nominated Augustinian theodicy as a Good Article too. Both need review, if anyone is interested. ItsZippy ( talk • contributions) 21:08, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
There's a proposal to adjust one of the main section titles used in "Wikipedia's contents", which will also affect the order in which the section titles are presented. See Portal talk:Contents#Proposal for main section title adjustment. The Transhumanist 02:26, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
An effort has begun to improve science to GA and, with luck, to FA status -- see Talk:Science if you are interested in participating. Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 12:42, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
This page is a mess: Biopower. Huge paragraphs of unreferenced text. Unintelligeble sentences. Looks to be the work of a single person. Wouldn't know where to begin cleaning it up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.33.187.117 ( talk) 08:03, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
What is the consensus, is Camille Paglia a philosopher or not? She has been removed from categories and the project tag was removed as well. There are plenty of sources that refer to her as a philosopher, including ones that call her a prominent philosopher. There are also some that claim she is not a philosopher. She doesn't refer to herself as a philosopher, and takes a dim view of the term "philosopher," however I don't think that is a necessarily a determining factor. Greg Bard ( talk) 22:29, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
Please see Talk:Converse_(logic)#Conversion_and_converse for a proposal to merge/redirect. -- 202.124.72.170 ( talk) 12:28, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
Let me note that I just nominated consciousness for a Good Article review. I have a ridiculous fantasy of eventually going for FA, so it would be very cool to get a thorough review from somebody who knows a bit of the literature on the topic, if that is at all possible. Looie496 ( talk) 23:42, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Fellow Wikipedians, I have taken the initiative, in consultation with a few others, to draft a WikiProject for Bibliographies. I hope it will be of interest to members of this project. The genesis of this effort has been a recent spate of AfD nominations of lists of publications. For the most part, the articles were not deleted, but that doesn’t mean many of them didn’t need work. A WP article entitled List of subject publications or any list of works, is by any other name, a Bibliography. Bibliographies within WP are specifically identified as a form of List in WP:List, are subject to List notability guidelines and the List Manual of Style. Unfortunately, many of the existing Bibliographies (or lists of publications) are not up to these standards. And there’s a high probability that new lists of publications or new Bibliographies won’t completely meet these standards as well, unless we as a community bring greater visibility to this genre of lists.
So the explicit goals of this draft project are to establish project-level advice for creating good bibliographies, gradually bring the existing set of bibliographies (400+) up to standard and to encourage editors to create bibliographies on topics and authors where appropriate. The goal is not to create bibliographies of everything or on everything.
I think the draft Bibliography project is logically connected to this project and members here would have a lot to contribute. If you are interested in participating, please sign up on the draft project page. If we get sufficient interest, I will move the draft into the Wikipedia space and we can press on. Also, please don’t hesitate to make suggestions on the draft here. I am sure it can be improved, will need some work to comply with Project guidelines and that it will evolve as this thing gets going. Thanks in advance for your support.-- Mike Cline ( talk) 19:40, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
Hello everyone, I'm just popping over from WikiProject Linguistics with a quick request: would you mind if I put a link back to WP Linguistics from the Philosophy of Language task force navbar? There is a link to the taskforce from the WP Linguistics navbar, but once a user clicks on it they don't have a way of getting back to WP Linguistics, should they so desire. (Well, there's always the back button, but I digress.) Let me know what you think. Regards — Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 16:39, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
How do I go about getting Otium reassessed to possible B-Class and getting an assessment of "importance"?-- Doug Coldwell talk 15:33, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
Over the past few weeks, I've slowly been improving the ontological argument article and more recently have overhauled the section on Kant's opposition. I would just appreciate it if someone could read over the section to just check it over - ensuring the facts are right, there's no synthesis, the sources are reliable and the like. I'm watching this page, but if anyone who does this could post on my talk page, I'd find that helpful. Thanks. ItsZippy ( talk • contributions) 22:39, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
I'm thinking that Irenaean theodicy could be given an importance rating of middle (up from low), as it is a mainstream response to the problem of evil. Would anyone support that change? ItsZippy ( talk • contributions) 21:42, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
@Greathouse Oh man! Do you mean people don't know about the log?! I have it mentioned on the front project page as 'something you can do to help the project.' Anytime an assessment banner is newly placed, newly removed, changed by more than one level, or a rename occurs, the change is recorded at: The WP:PHILO log. The same is true for every subdivision, i.e. ethics, metaphysics, etc. One of the things I do routinely is go through them one by one. Please do feel free! Greg Bard ( talk) 20:15, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
Could someone look at ontological argument please? I think it is probably high but, as I've recently been improving it, it'd be good to get an uninvolved editor to make the decision. ItsZippy ( talk • contributions) 20:55, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
The page semiotics of the structure is up for deletion at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Semiotics_of_the_structure Tkuvho ( talk) 13:43, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
Portal:Arts is now up for portal peer review, the review page is at Wikipedia:Portal peer review/Arts/archive1. I've put a bit of effort into this as part of a featured portal drive related to portals linked from the top-right corner of the Main Page, and feedback would be appreciated prior to featured portal candidacy. Thank you for your time, — Cirt ( talk) 07:01, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
About 30 articles (so far) have been removed from the project by editor Quisquiliae ( contributions). This may be the result of the fact that some of these articles were placed into the project with a generous notion of what the project should be monitoring. Some may be taken out due to the fresh perspective of a relatively new editor. However, I think perhaps the issue could use more eyes on it. Greg Bard ( talk) 20:10, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
I am sure everything will work out just fine. The banner, and the ratings just aren't supposed to be a contentious issue. They are mostly guidelines, and the actual article content is much more important. Greg Bard ( talk) 23:02, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
Apologies for causing disruption. I came to this via this page [6] which lists 'philosophy articles'. It turns out it links to the Philosophy project template on talk pages. I think of a philosophy article primarily as one which actually talks about the subject. Thus Philosophy of mind. Secondarily, as one about a philosopher, namely, someone who engages in or writes or teaches philosophy. Thus Aristotle. It seems very odd to me that an article on Anarky (a comic book character) or the Illuminatus Trilogy (a spoof on conspiracy theory) should be called articles on philosophy.
I believe that Wikipedia has requirements on 'reliable sourcing'. I have many reliable sources on philosophy. I can't source the Illuminatus Trilogy in any of these. I.e. I can't find any reliable source that says it is a work of philosophy. Can someone locate a reliable source that says the subject is part of philosophy, properly so-called? Regards Quisquiliae ( talk) 08:50, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
article | AL comment | Cast reverted? |
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Talk:List of works by Joseph Priestley | yes | |
Talk:George Orwell bibliography | yes | |
Talk:Zhang Heng | yes | |
Talk:Shen Kuo | yes | |
Talk:Samuel Johnson | yes | |
Talk:Maximus the Confessor | yes | |
Talk:Maria: or, The Wrongs of Woman | yes | |
Talk:Learned Hand | yes | |
Talk:La Peau de chagrin | yes | |
Talk:Ion Heliade Rădulescu | yes | |
Talk:Anarky | no | |
Talk:Transhumanism | yes | |
Talk:The Illuminatus! Trilogy | yes | |
Talk:Mary Wollstonecraft | yes | |
Talk:Joseph Priestley | yes | |
Talk:John Dee | keep | yes |
Talk:John Calvin | keep | yes |
Talk:Johannes Kepler | keep | yes |
Talk:Hippocrates | keep | yes |
Talk:Georg Cantor | keep | yes |
Talk:Confirmation bias | keep | yes |
Talk:Alfred Russel Wallace | keep | yes |
Talk:Archimedes | keep | yes |
Talk:A Vindication of the Rights of Woman | yes | |
Talk:A Vindication of the Rights of Men | yes | |
Talk:Rabindranath Tagore | no | |
Talk:Law | yes | |
Talk:History of evolutionary thought | keep | yes |
Talk:Evolution | no | |
Talk:Emma Goldman | no | |
Talk:Charles Darwin | keep | no |
Talk:Anekantavada | yes |
Personally I think some of these probably can be cut?-- Andrew Lancaster ( talk) 10:06, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
I think there's a danger here of conflating standards and inclusion criteria for the encyclopaedia itself and the back-office maintenance work, that is to say how the John Dee article characterises his contributions if any to philosophy is a question of a lot more seriousness and deference to established sources than whether or not it is useful for WikiProject Philosophy to keep an eye on the article.
As for the list of articles above, some ought to be removed certainly, some of the removals were just silly (
A Vindication of the Rights of Men?
Georg Cantor?!) but many of the at-first-glance-odd inclusions be accounted for by their relevance to the task forces.
Emma Goldman for instance would not likely appear in a compendium of philosophers, but is she relevant to the remit of the Social & political task force? Absolutely. The task forces sharing an assessment scheme with WP:PHIL is less than ideal, particularly due to inconsistent application of |importance=
ratings as Greg notes, but it's ultimately just a maintenance arrangement, no big deal.
Skomorokh
12:20, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
(comment)Note that "Beyond Necessity" is known to be the work of User:Peter Damian, a banned user known for evading said ban under a series of sockpuppets and IPs (109.*)... -- Ckatz chat spy 19:33, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
Could I just request that Evolution and Charles Darwin are restored to this WikiProject. I judge project inclusion to be determined by what influence or impact an idea, work or person has had on philosophy. As I said above, Charles Darwin and his theory of evolution has had strong implications for the teleological argument, creationism, the Irenaean theodicy, the intelligent design movement, atheism, Richard Dawkins and more. Evolution especially has a strong bearing on whether God created the world, whether science makes philosophy/religion redundant and whether God should be held accountable for suffering in the world. These are clearly important philosophical issues, which would merit the inclusion of both Evolution and Charles Darwin. ItsZippy ( talk • contributions) 22:15, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
I think this is a wonderful discussion. I hope people increasingly take it upon themselves to adjust ratings, add and remove project banners, etcetera. However they really are not very important themselves. They are a good thing to help categorize the article. It is a good thing to get this type of discussion out of the way before making changes to the main article. I go through all the new articles to see which ones to add. I do use the standard that being in the scope of the project means "of interest to the project." So the catch 22 is that, if there is no philosophical content, I don't see any reason to add it to the project. However, in many cases there appears to be at least something there that can be expanded and I do add it to the project. Many of those perhaps do even not belong in the project. The "low" importance category is full of questionable ones, and some that should be promoted. However, I am not so expert as to say which ones all by myself. The log has not been updated since before this whole discussion started. So the the next update should be interesting. Greg Bard ( talk) 21:04, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
Hello, new editor here so I apologize if I am not doing this correctly. Been reading the Chinese Philosophy page and I am quite dissattisfied with it. Are there standards the Philosophy pages follow for creating big general pages like that? I am just torn between whether the article should be rewritten so it is more a nexus to other pages, or if it should be more like a summary of all of Chinese philosophy or even a history of Chinese philosophical developments. I imagine some sort of connection with standards with the Philosophy projects at large would be helpful?-- Shadowy Sorcerer ( talk) 09:27, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
Please see: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Conservative Christianity BigJim707 ( talk) 18:55, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
Hi, there seems to be some contention on how to read http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/40634/atheism#.
Could someone please weigh in on whether the first paragraph is a summary of the article or a strawman argument dismantled in the later development of it. No, I am not joking. Thanks! u n☯ mi 14:21, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
I have recently done a lot of work on the article about Ptolemy's Tetrabiblos. This is an the famous 2nd century astrological work and since much of the content has strong connections with philosophical principles I would like to propose the page as one of interest to this project, and include your project banner on the talk page - would that be OK?
The article is currently under review for FA status. Unfortunately it has had mixed reviews and the critical reviewers feel it needs independent assesment from members of projects such as this. The positive reviews have come from members of the Wiki:astrology project and I am sure you can see the problem of having just a few reviews from editors with strong opinions on the subject matter. If anyone here would be prepared to offer a personal assesment for the review discussion, that would be extremely helpful. It has been hard to find editors with good knowledge of the philosophical issues involved who are able to offer assesment concerning the quality of the article and the discussion of its theme. Any constructive criticism is welcome as usual on the talk page too. Hope some of the members here will have a natural interest in this. In any event, please let me know if it's OK to use your banner and associate the page with this project. -- Zac Δ talk! 02:03, 8 December 2011 (UTC)