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a while back I started going over all of the sultan articles and cleaning them up. someone from the turkish wiki was mangling them something bad. i also reformatted the list of valide sultans. i'd like to, optimally, make the english page a facsimile of the turkish page, it has a graph on it. very cool. Dlayiga ( talk) 21:35, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
WP:OTTOMAN needs its own award. What should it look like? I am leaning towards a barnstar, but with File:Osmanli-nisani.svg incorporated. Submit ideas, thanks, my name inc 17:11, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
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Turco85 ( Talk) 23:19, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
So now what? We have eleven members. All of them want to help in making better Ottoman Empire articles. But where do we start and how do we improve? Which articles are missing and how do we collaborate? We need a list of missing articles and a topic outline.-- Diaa abdelmoneim ( talk) 19:36, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
I've included the project in the New Article Bot search. If I did it correctly, any new articles pertaining to the Ottoman Empire should be viewable here once the bot runs again. For fine-tuning the search parameters (its my first attempt at this), the rules are to be found here. Regards, Constantine ✍ 01:47, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
Do we have an invitation template we could post at user talk pages? If not, we should make one. Any ideas? -- Al Ameer son ( talk) 23:07, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
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Hi, I was thinking that maybe you would like to join the WikiProject Ottoman Empire. There you can also find and contact users who are trying to improve Ottoman-related articles. If you would like to get involved, just visit the participants page and/or inquire at the project's talk page. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me or other member of the WikiProject Ottoman Empire. |
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Should we tag modern nations for our project? (I was going to avoid It but found there was no seperate page for the region of greece only one for the nation).Trakov 03:46, 4 June 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trakov ( talk • contribs)
For more details see Talk:History of rail transport in Turkey#Copy vio - rewrite article
For both the republic of Turkey and the Ottoman empire historical info is required on the railways (in part due to copyright issues with current text). Please feel free to contribute. Additionally if anyone has additional sources of info on Rail transport in Turkey please leave info on that pages talk page. Thank you.
Please note the article History of rail transport in Turkey includes in its scope railways built in the Turkish part of the Ottoman empire prior to 1927.. For those wishing to add info on Ottoman railways the page Ottoman railways (currently a disambiguation page) would be a good place to start, and definitely would benefit from expansion. Best wishes. Shortfatlad ( talk) 19:18, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
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Hi, I'm developing Jacob Frank (an 18th-century Jew who developed a religious movement called Frankism--a form of Sabbateanism--and promoted it in the Ottoman Empire) as a mascot for Wikipedia's sister project Wikiversity. Wikiversity aims to be an online open school and university, and was also created to host original research. Because of its nature, it's open to educational resources in almost any format. Wikiversity's mascots appear on User talk pages when new Users are welcomed. In my opinion, the Wikiversity mascots could be used more fully as an opportunity to teach. The previously developed Wikiversity mascots lack intrinsic educational value. For example, they include a jack-o-lantern, a goat and twin babies not noticeably tied to anything else. In contrast, Jacob Frank is tied to a chapter of history that is relatively little-known and is probably interesting to some people who might not have heard of him beforehand. I'm also hoping to use his professed ignorance in real life and his doctrine of "purification through transgression" to introduce the Wikiversity policies of "Be bold" and "Ignore all rules" (Wikipedia has very similar policies with the same names). I would appreciate your going over to Wikiversity to provide feedback on the pages about the mascot: v:User:JacobFrank and v:Template:JacobFrank. The Template is left on new Users' talk pages; the Userpage is linked from the template and provides more information about Jacob Frank. Also, any ideas for other Wikiversity mascots? Thanks. -- AFriedman (talk) 04:24, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
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In most articles about Ottoman history as well as the History of Ottoman Empire sidebar, the era classification is as follows
I don’t know if this scheme is sourced. But this is not consistant with the classical approach. There is nothing wrong with the beginning of Growth era. But it must end by the beginning of the 17th century. Peace of Zsitvatorok in 1606 seems the best border line between the Growth and Stagnation eras , although Sokullu Mehmet Pasha’s death in 1579 may yet be another alternative; but certainly not 1683. Becuase, in the 17th century, Ottoman Empire lived some of its worst days. Jelali revolts left Anatolia in ruins. Although, Podolia and Create had been annexed, much greater territory in Caucasus and West Iran had been lost. Barbary states refused to be controlled by the porte. Economy and cultural life was in decline. How can this period be called growth ? According to classical classification the period between the peace of Zsitvatorok and the Treaty of Karlowitz in 1699 is stagnation and from 1699 to Tanzimat in 1839 is the era of Decline. Nedim Ardoğa ( talk) 08:48, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
I suggest to create an archive for DYK's related to WikiProject Ottoman Empire.Any ideas pro or contra? CeeGee ( talk) 17:15, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
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FYI, Kars Province, Ottoman Empire and Karaman Province, Ottoman Empire have been nominated for deletion. 76.66.200.95 ( talk) 05:52, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
A heated discussion is going on in the talk page of Battle of Maritsa. Assuming that the battle is Sırp Sındığı in Ottoman chronicles, what is the date of the battle, 1364 as Turkish Wikipedia claims or 1371 as English Wikipedia claims, or were there two battles. The western sources tend to support 1371 with Lala Şahin commanding Ottoman army instead of Hacı İlbey. Please contribute to discussion on page The talk page and correct the text if necessary. Nedim Ardoğa ( talk) 14:17, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Khedivate of Egypt recently appeared at T:TDYK having been recently expanded by User:DCI2026, whose enthusiasm doesn't always, umm, match his/her attention to detail, and who has left out a lot of detail on the later khedivate. Indeed, it's pretty debatable whether you can even call it a khedivate before the title was officially granted in 1867, arguably most of the current khedivate article should be in an article called Pashaluk of Egypt or some such. The Cambridge History of Egypt certainly avoids the K word until 1867. (as an aside, Google Books has most of the CHE, a great source for this stuff.) More importantly, the article largely overlaps the better one at History of Egypt under the Muhammad Ali dynasty, although the latter's title could be made more concise. I don't know what the best approach is - there's also an article on Muhammad Ali's seizure of power which again is perhaps not the best title. I have a feeling that given the huge potential scope of these articles, there's room for several articles here, but the current structure isn't right - and unfortunately it's the best current article that should be broken up. I'd propose that the "dynasty" stuff gets moved into the Khedivate article proper, and then the remainder gets consolidated into a single article about Egypt under Muhammad Ali or something and we see how that looks - in the long term you could be looking at a whole family of daughter articles on his social reforms, his military campaigns and so on. There's also interaction with Muhammad Ali of Egypt and Muhammad Ali Dynasty, plus the main article at History of Ottoman Egypt really needs a thorough copyedit, it's gibberish in places. This isn't really my subject (although I find it fascinating), and it really needs to be worked out through consensus so can I leave it in your hands? Le Deluge ( talk) 10:02, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
I'm glad someone finally brought up the issue of article redundancy. Here are some of my proposals to improve the current mess:
A notice about this ongoing discussion has been left on the talk pages of the relevant articles/WikiProjects. Therefore, if there is no opposition to my proposals within the next few days, I will go on and implement them. -- BomBom ( talk) 16:48, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
I have created together with Smallman12q a toolserver tool that shows a weekly-updated list of cleanup categories for WikiProjects, that can be used as a replacement for WolterBot and this WikiProject is among those that are already included (because it is a member of Category:WolterBot cleanup listing subscriptions). See the tool's wiki page, this project's listing in one big table or by categories and the index of WikiProjects. Svick ( talk) 21:25, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
According to this advice I am asking members of this project for help solving disputes on Skanderbeg article. Here is the list of non-resolved disputes. Under that list there is new section with name Proposals how to deal with non-resolved issues. Comments are welcomed.-- Antidiskriminator ( talk) 14:02, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
I want to bring a spelling problem into discussion. As far as I know there is no standard romanization of Ottoman Turkish. But (among other things) there is a confusion of Ottoman personal names ending in -t (like Murat, Mehmet, Ahmet, Beyazıt , Hurşit, Ferhat etc). I prefer to use –t ending. But I observe that some contributers use –d ending (Ahmed instead of Ahmet, Murad instead of Murat etc.) Since Turkish pronunciation prohibits using –d ending, I don’t see any reason why -d ending is preferred, except that –d ending may be the proper usage in Arabic. But Ottoman people spoke Turkish and I think it is highly irrevelant to use the form in Arabic. Nedim Ardoğa ( talk) 12:15, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
I think that article Han (konaklama) should be created on en wikipedia. Is it possible that such article does not exist? If someone knows it does, but with another name, please inform us.-- Antidiskriminator ( talk) 21:56, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
It has been proposed that Foreign relations of the Palestinian National Authority be renamed and moved to Foreign relations of Palestine. Please see the move discussion here. Alinor ( talk) 06:47, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
If someone could provide me with an accurate list of translation of the names of the Ottoman provinces in this map. I can create a new English map. Thanks in advance. P. S. Burton ( talk) 19:18, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
I need help. I found two different definitions of Subaşi term. Can someone help me with advice what definition is more appropriate?-- Antidiskriminator ( talk) 07:20, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
The article Jahja (Yahya) is about the third son of Mehmet III (so elder brother of Ahmet I and Mustafa I.) Although the article is sourced, I couldn't find sources about this prince in general Ottoman History books. Besides his name is not mentioned in Turkish Wikipedia. I suggest those who have sources about Jahja to check this article. Nedim Ardoğa ( talk) 06:15, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
Hello to all! This is to let you know that {{ Ottoman-bio-stub}} has been created for tagging stub articles pertaining to Ottoman people. Constantine ✍ 01:51, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
According to articles Karamanids and Isfendiyarids the two medieval beyliks used the Star of David as their flag. Two flag images were created by different contributers and they were added to the articles by a third contributer (on 15 Feb., 2005). But I am highly spectical about the reliability of the flag images. Any suggestions ? Nedim Ardoğa ( talk) 09:03, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
There's a contested page move at Talk:Trebizond Vilayet#Requested move that could use input from more editors. If anyone reading this page wishes to register an opinion there, it would be very helpful. Thanks in advance. - GTBacchus( talk) 17:44, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
An editor has been removing what they claim is an historically inaccurate map of the Ottoman Empire from a large number of articles. I have reverted these edits until a consensus discussion can be held regarding it. The opinions of editors knowledgable about the history of the Ottoman Empire would be very helpful. The image is on Commons, but a short discussion about it is on its Wikipedia talk page here. Additionally, there's a discussion about the removals here. Assistance would be appreciated. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 14:54, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
Unfortunately, File:OttomanEmpireIn1683.png is not correct. I hope creator will correct errors. Some nationalists want to show this empire much wider. In this map, the term "acquisition" is used. But the Ottoman Empire had never acquired Circassia. As you know, The Ottoman sultan didn't find any disadvantage they were "giving" also coasts of Circassia, where actually had never passed into the hands of the Ottomans, to the Tzar of the Russian Empire with extravagantly promises. (Osmanlı sultanı gerçekte hiçbir zaman fiilen eline geçmemiş olan Çerkesya kıyılarını da bol keseden Rusya Çarı na "vermekte" bir sakınca görmemişti, Sefer E. Berzeg, Soçi'nin Sürgündeki Sahipleri, Kafkasya Gerçeği, 1998, p. 46.). At present we'd better use this map. Takabeg ( talk) 16:17, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
It's unfortunate that the creator of the map, User:AtilimGunesBaydin hasn't been by to join the discussion, but their participation on Wikipedia seems to be rather sporadic. I've just noticed that a number of other editors have worked on improving the map, so I'm going to drop them a notification about this discussion. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 19:22, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
@Antidiskriminator: Can you source some of these errors, please, so a non-expert can understand them? My concern is that we seem to have transitioned in a few short days from a map which "in general ... is still a good map to introduce [the] Ottoman Empire" to one that appears to have errors everywhere, at least by your estimation. Not having a background in this area, I, and other editors like me, cannot make a judgement about the realtive quality of the map without understanding the nature of these errors. Therefore, it would be much more helpful to cite a source or two to support each claim instead of simply saying "Ooops, here's another one." Absent the backing of a reliable source, there is nothing to base a decision on except your good looks and the nice poem you left on my talk page. :) Beyond My Ken ( talk) 22:20, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
Please find below a list of mistakes in the map which I mentioned on this talk page, together with sources supporting my claim about mistakes. There are some more mistakes I noticed in the meantime, but I will try to prepare them within another list.
List of mistakes found in this map together with sources which support the claim about mistake:
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-- Antidiskriminator ( talk) 20:51, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
I've been looking for an accurate map of the Ottoman Empire which clearly shows the vilayets as they were demarcated around 1900, but I couldn't find a locator map that was definitely accurate (and included sources). I have used this svg map to create most of the location maps for the vilayets articles, but it is unsourced and it appears to be wrong in many significant aspects (it's missing some subdivisions, the borders are completely different from the ones found in most maps) so I created another map based on information I found on euratlas, but I don't know if this can be considered accurate either. Can someone help me in finding a map that is 100% authoritative, and shows all vilayets including the ones in the arabian peninsula? Cheers, LK ( talk) 21:48, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
Recently, User:Underlying_lk, User:Vegaswikian & others have been moving around some of the Eyalet and Vilayet pages in accordance with WP:COMMONNAME and WP:ENGLISH. For example, Edirne Province, Ottoman Empire > Edirne Vilayet > Adrianople Vilayet.
As User:Takabeg points out on Talk:Adrianople Eyalet, the first problem is the new pages are WP:OR and violate WP:NOTNEO. For example, he found
"Eyalet of Adrianople" -Llc 15,
"Adrianople Eyalet" -Llc 0 (the current namespace),
"Eyalet of Edirne" -Llc 5, and
"Edirne Eyalet" -Llc 2 (-2),
and proposed to consistently reformat the pages as Eyalet of X and Vilayet of X rather than as X Eyalet and X Vilayet.
The problem is that none of these is the English common name. Ottoman "Province of Adrianople" -Llc clocks in with 65, outranking them all. To avoid OR and violating NOTNEO, we should be using Province of X (where there are other modern provinces in the same space) or Province of X (Ottoman Empire) rather than the current pages. We can't ignore the English common name just to pick the second or third but not the fourth or fifth to suit ourselves; we especially shouldn't combine some English common names with the local endonym for the provinces.
Now, at one point, Underlying_lk raised the valid objection, "'province' is too generic[:] both vilayet and eyalet can be translated as province." The solution is not to avoid ENGLISH or COMMONNAME but to simply combine the pages with appropriate redirects.
The Province of Adrianople ( Ottoman Turkish: ایالت ادرنه, Eyālet-i Edirnê, Edirne Eyalet from 1826 citation needed–1864; Ottoman Turkish: ولايت ادرنه, Vilâyet-i Edirne, [2] Edirne Vilayet from 1864–1922) was a province of the Ottoman Empire in south-eastern Europe. ...
The Province of Adrianople was a province of the Ottoman Empire in south-eastern Europe. It was called the Eyalet of Edirne ( Ottoman Turkish: ایالت ادرنه, Eyālet-i Edirnê) from its founding in 1826 citation needed until the Tanzimat Reforms of 1864, after which it was known as the Vilayet of Edirne (ولايت ادرنه, Vilâyet-i Edirne [3]). ...
... Because it was commanded by a pasha, the province of Janina was also known as the Pashalik of Janina. ...
Thoughts? — LlywelynII 02:34, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi, everyone. When you have time, could you control this attempt ( Turgut Reis) ? Thank you. Takabeg ( talk) 01:37, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
Did an eyalet by the name of Nogai ever exist? I created the currently very stubby article based on what I could grasp from the corresponding Turkish wikipedia page, but I can't find it mentioned anywhere either on Google Books or the wider internet, or on any map of the Ottoman Empire ( this map seems to depict it as a part of imperial russia). From what I read on Nogai this horde was at some point a tributary to the Ottomans, but there's no mention of it having an eyalet of its own or even being integrated into the empire. Besides, it would have been highly unusual for the Ottomans to name a province after an ethnic group, especially in the 17th century, which makes me think that at very least the current name is wrong. If someone that can read Turkish could check the references mentioned on the tr.wiki article that would be enormously helpful.-- LK ( talk) 16:37, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi, everyone. A historical document was used incorrectly in the article Armenian Genocide. See Talk:Armenian Genocide#Personal explanation. Thank you. Takabeg ( talk) 04:53, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
There are numerous sources which mention this sanjak as sanjak of Berat. But there are sources (like this) which claim that sanjak of Berat did not exist and that it was sanjak of Valona, but sometimes referred as Berat because of its seat which was Berat for some time. There are also numerous sources which claim that Berat belonged to Sanjak of Vallona (Vlore).
If anybody knows something more about this subject please help with resolving this issue.-- Antidiskriminator ( talk) 08:33, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi, everyone. The name "Egir Eyalet", (also " Eyalet of Egir", " Province of Egir", " Egir Province") is original research. What do you think of Talk:Egir Eyalet ? Takabeg ( talk) 16:27, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
Both seem to be equivalent to one another. They come from Turkish and Arabic respectively, and the confusion between the two recently became something of a stumbling block in my Modern Middle East course. Can we examine the possibility of merging the Kadı content into the Qadi article? I have done very little so far where editing is concerned, and this is my first conversation contribution on Wikipedia. I think it best if a more experienced editor examine this issue, and if need be, rectify it. Amringel ( talk) 20:54, 14 September 2011 (UTC)Amringel 16:53 14 September 2011
Readers here may be interested in contributing to a proposal regarding the renaming of 11 Ottoman Eyalet articles. See Talk:Mosul Eyalet#Multi-move. Cheers. - GTBacchus( talk) 13:14, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
I have created a page named Short-lived Ottoman provinces, as suggested on the recent Afd about Zigetvar Eyalet, to gather all the short-lived eyalets and vilayets in one place. However, some have expressed concerns with this approach. This discussion is meant to create consensus on whether all provinces should have their own page (regardless of how long they existed) or if some should be merged to this page. My proposal is to merge to "Short-lived Ottoman provinces" all provinces which existed for less than 15 years and whose article has remained a stub for a long time despite several efforts to expand it. Of course, the entries could be later un-merged if there's ever enough material for a self-standing article.-- eh bien mon prince ( talk) 17:15, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
There has been a recent trend to use 19th century spellings for Ottoman place names rather than the modern Turkish forms. As an example which I am familiar with, Ottoman Trabzon is referred to as Trebizond because this was the spelling used in the 19th century and earlier. I have argued that using archaic spellings of place names when referring to historical periods is something which is unique to Ottoman pages on Wikipedia; for example, we don't find Tokio up to a certain date and then the modern Tokyo afterwards. I have found no guidelines in the Wikipedia Help which state that we should use archaic English spellings for places when speaking about historical periods, and use modern spellings for recent history. It is my belief that this creates confusion (readers are forced to guess that Ottoman-era Kerasus is actually the same place as Republican-era Giresun). Furthermore, if this is the policy we are adopting for Wikipedia pages on the Ottoman Empire, then what is the exact date at which we have to switch to modern spellings? I have tried several methods of getting an answer to this, but hopefully this is the right place to come to a final decision. Thank you. Ordtoy ( talk) 16:36, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
Something I noticed and have raised on the talk page of the template Ottoman princes fighting for the throne may be of interest to project members who've taken part in this discussion. I cannot claim to know a great deal about the subject, but the question of consistency seems to be important! Jdhowens90 ( talk) 19:40, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
What does: (charter) mean after some users signatures? Aidan 13 k ( talk) 03:42, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
Second opinions are needed here. I have been searching around wikipedia and I cannot find anything about Ethem bey or Rauf (orbay) Bey. Uhlan talk 21:37, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
One of your WikiProject's top-importance articles, Istanbul, has recently been nominated for featured status. Feel free to participate in the discussion regarding its suitability at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Istanbul/archive1. -- tariqabjotu 21:51, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
Alas, compared to other projects, we don't have a great wealth of images related to Ottoman history. However, I'm planning a trip to Turkey in September, and will spend most of my time in Istanbul; would anybody like to request any images? I'm happy to visit a museum or archive with camera in hand... bobrayner ( talk) 22:33, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
An IP has continued to remove Stefan Lazarevic from the Infobox on the article Battle of Ankara stating that the sources used are not supported by primary sources(which has NOT been proven on the talk page). I would like more opinions concerning whether Lazarevic, a vassal of Bayezid I, should be included in the Infobox or not. Thanks. -- Defensor Ursa 23:01, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
image:Abdyl Frasheri.JPG has been nominated for deletion -- 65.92.181.190 ( talk) 08:16, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
Hi all,
Last year, I made {{
Taxation in the Ottoman Empire sidebar}} and some related articles. However, recently I've moved onto building content on things like land tenure, which often overlap with taxation but they're not exactly the same thing. So, which would be best?
Any suggestions or comments? bobrayner ( talk) 15:41, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
An editor (who is not a member of this project) has recently added multiple project banners to Talk:History of Vojvodina, including this one. Please feel free to remove it of it is not within this project's scope. See this section of the talk page for further background. Voceditenore ( talk) 09:23, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
Category:1911 establishments in Turkey, Category:1876 establishments in Turkey, Category:1903 in Turkey and several related articles have all been nominated for merger or renaming to be the related Ottoman Empire categories. Your participation at the CfDs on these matters would be greatly appreciated and may well help them to be more informed and correct. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 23:34, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
Category:1910 disestablishments in Turkey has been nominated for renaming to Category:1910 disestablishments in the Ottoman Empire. Since one of the articles in that category is tagged as part of this category I felt people in this category should be notified so that they can have a chance to express their opinions on this matter. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 23:36, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
Category:People of the Ottoman Empire has been proposed to be renamed to Category:Ottoman Empire people. I felt it would be good to notify the project and invite participation, even if it was a while ago the nomination was made. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 02:05, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
Your attention is drawn to Talk:History_of_Vojvodina#Request_For_Comment_re:_WikiProject_Banners_on_this_page. Regards, Peacemaker67 ( send... over) 02:13, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
image:Raufbey.jpg has been nominated for speedy deletion -- 65.92.180.137 ( talk) 23:46, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
The editor who initially shepherded Suleiman the Magnificent to FA status has been inactive for many years and the quality of the article has begun to degrade. Any experts who can come in and buff the article up to snuff again would be appreciated.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 03:25, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
There is a name change request and related discussion in the talk page of Ali Pasha article. I think we will benefit from more informed comments so please contribute. Filanca ( talk) 22:03, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
Greetings! I have recently relisted a requested move discussion at Talk:Ali_Pasha#Requested_move_2, regarding a page relating to this WikiProject. Discussion and opinions are invited. Thanks, Tyrol5 [Talk] 01:58, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the valuable contributions to the article Decline of the Ottoman Empire, except that the article covers 19th century instead of 18th century. It seems one editor (who seems to be inactive now) in 2005 used the Battle of Navarino in 1827 and the Second Constitutional Era in 1908 as the milestones. Actually the decline period begins by Battle of Vienna in 1683 (documented in 1699 by the Treaty of Karlowitz) and ends in 1789 (or 1792). So the text of the article actually belongs to a later era. Although I am ready to move the contents, I'd like to take a second opinion. Nedim Ardoğa ( talk) 10:51, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
file:1965 Yerevan demonstration.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.92.180.137 ( talk) 02:21, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
image:Levon shant photo.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.79.6 ( talk) 06:01, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
File:Teodosij.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.79.6 ( talk) 03:23, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
image:Skandeberginkruja.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.79.6 ( talk) 02:50, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
image:Father Shtjefen Gjecovi, old photo.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 ( talk) 05:50, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Template:Infobox Ottoman sultan ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) has been nominated for replacement -- 76.65.128.222 ( talk) 06:15, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
There is a dispute over terminology which should be used to refer to the Ottoman Empire and Military of the Ottoman Empire in one article.
There is also a proposal to resolve this dispute ( link to the section with proposal) at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history. Since Ottoman Empire and Military of the Ottoman Empire are within the scope of this WikiProject I believe that members of this wikiproject might be interested to help resolving this dispute either by joining the discussion at WP MILHIST (which is what I did) or presenting an opinion here.-- Antidiskriminator ( talk) 09:30, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
Each one of the sources I have come across has a different transliteration of the ancient poet's name (some of the sources themselves use more than one!). And part of his "name" isnt actually his name, but more like a (self granted) title ( Çelebi (title)). see User:TheRedPenOfDoom/sandbox/poet.
How would I decide what the WP:COMMONNAME is? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 21:57, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
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Hello, there's an ongoing debate concerning moving the Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem article to "Sanjak of Jerusalem". The outcome will likely impact the renaming of other similar articles re the "independent departments". Your input can help resolve the debate, thank you. Oncenawhile ( talk) 08:01, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
Lots of changes going on here, probably pov editwarring. Dougweller ( talk) 11:36, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
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Harej ( talk) 16:56, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
Perhaps someone in this project would like to take a look at these two forks: Socioeconomics of the Ottoman reformation era and Socioeconomics of the Ottoman enlargement era. They are orphans and have hardly been edited since 2011. They might be valid subjects for articles, but both are at the moment almost completely without references. Thanks. P. S. Burton ( talk) 20:42, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
Hi! I am wondering if it would be a good idea to add a specific person placeholder image to Ottoman articles? That way, you could see which biography articles are lacking an infobox image; the image lists use in WP.-- Zoupan 16:03, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
The redirects Hafsa Sultan and Hatice Sultan (daughter of Ahmed III), have been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion. Your comments in the discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 May 28#Hafsa Sultan and Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 May 28#Hatice Sultan (daughter of Ahmed III) would be welcome. Comments left here will almost certainly not be seen by the closing administrator. Thank you, Tavix | Talk 16:36, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
Does any one know of any resources out there where I could find some basic biographical details like birth and death years for Ottoman provincial governors. I'm looking for those dates particularly for Muhammad Pasha al-Azm and Uthman Pasha al-Kurji, long-time governors of Damascus Eyalet. Any help would be appreciated. -- Al Ameer ( talk) 00:05, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
The Ottoman Turkish name of the Septinsular Republic in the infobox and the one in the intro text are different. Anyone care to work on that? Discuss it here. — AjaxSmack 15:17, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
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I started a discussion here after being reverted several times when trying to restore a see also link in hatnote from Category:Ottoman Greeks to Category:Greeks in Turkey (the reverse link exists and has always had). Your thoughts are welcome there on this issue. Place Clichy ( talk) 15:02, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
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a while back I started going over all of the sultan articles and cleaning them up. someone from the turkish wiki was mangling them something bad. i also reformatted the list of valide sultans. i'd like to, optimally, make the english page a facsimile of the turkish page, it has a graph on it. very cool. Dlayiga ( talk) 21:35, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
WP:OTTOMAN needs its own award. What should it look like? I am leaning towards a barnstar, but with File:Osmanli-nisani.svg incorporated. Submit ideas, thanks, my name inc 17:11, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
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Turco85 ( Talk) 23:19, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
So now what? We have eleven members. All of them want to help in making better Ottoman Empire articles. But where do we start and how do we improve? Which articles are missing and how do we collaborate? We need a list of missing articles and a topic outline.-- Diaa abdelmoneim ( talk) 19:36, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
I've included the project in the New Article Bot search. If I did it correctly, any new articles pertaining to the Ottoman Empire should be viewable here once the bot runs again. For fine-tuning the search parameters (its my first attempt at this), the rules are to be found here. Regards, Constantine ✍ 01:47, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
Do we have an invitation template we could post at user talk pages? If not, we should make one. Any ideas? -- Al Ameer son ( talk) 23:07, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
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Should we tag modern nations for our project? (I was going to avoid It but found there was no seperate page for the region of greece only one for the nation).Trakov 03:46, 4 June 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trakov ( talk • contribs)
For more details see Talk:History of rail transport in Turkey#Copy vio - rewrite article
For both the republic of Turkey and the Ottoman empire historical info is required on the railways (in part due to copyright issues with current text). Please feel free to contribute. Additionally if anyone has additional sources of info on Rail transport in Turkey please leave info on that pages talk page. Thank you.
Please note the article History of rail transport in Turkey includes in its scope railways built in the Turkish part of the Ottoman empire prior to 1927.. For those wishing to add info on Ottoman railways the page Ottoman railways (currently a disambiguation page) would be a good place to start, and definitely would benefit from expansion. Best wishes. Shortfatlad ( talk) 19:18, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
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Hi, I'm developing Jacob Frank (an 18th-century Jew who developed a religious movement called Frankism--a form of Sabbateanism--and promoted it in the Ottoman Empire) as a mascot for Wikipedia's sister project Wikiversity. Wikiversity aims to be an online open school and university, and was also created to host original research. Because of its nature, it's open to educational resources in almost any format. Wikiversity's mascots appear on User talk pages when new Users are welcomed. In my opinion, the Wikiversity mascots could be used more fully as an opportunity to teach. The previously developed Wikiversity mascots lack intrinsic educational value. For example, they include a jack-o-lantern, a goat and twin babies not noticeably tied to anything else. In contrast, Jacob Frank is tied to a chapter of history that is relatively little-known and is probably interesting to some people who might not have heard of him beforehand. I'm also hoping to use his professed ignorance in real life and his doctrine of "purification through transgression" to introduce the Wikiversity policies of "Be bold" and "Ignore all rules" (Wikipedia has very similar policies with the same names). I would appreciate your going over to Wikiversity to provide feedback on the pages about the mascot: v:User:JacobFrank and v:Template:JacobFrank. The Template is left on new Users' talk pages; the Userpage is linked from the template and provides more information about Jacob Frank. Also, any ideas for other Wikiversity mascots? Thanks. -- AFriedman (talk) 04:24, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
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In most articles about Ottoman history as well as the History of Ottoman Empire sidebar, the era classification is as follows
I don’t know if this scheme is sourced. But this is not consistant with the classical approach. There is nothing wrong with the beginning of Growth era. But it must end by the beginning of the 17th century. Peace of Zsitvatorok in 1606 seems the best border line between the Growth and Stagnation eras , although Sokullu Mehmet Pasha’s death in 1579 may yet be another alternative; but certainly not 1683. Becuase, in the 17th century, Ottoman Empire lived some of its worst days. Jelali revolts left Anatolia in ruins. Although, Podolia and Create had been annexed, much greater territory in Caucasus and West Iran had been lost. Barbary states refused to be controlled by the porte. Economy and cultural life was in decline. How can this period be called growth ? According to classical classification the period between the peace of Zsitvatorok and the Treaty of Karlowitz in 1699 is stagnation and from 1699 to Tanzimat in 1839 is the era of Decline. Nedim Ardoğa ( talk) 08:48, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
I suggest to create an archive for DYK's related to WikiProject Ottoman Empire.Any ideas pro or contra? CeeGee ( talk) 17:15, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
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FYI, Kars Province, Ottoman Empire and Karaman Province, Ottoman Empire have been nominated for deletion. 76.66.200.95 ( talk) 05:52, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
A heated discussion is going on in the talk page of Battle of Maritsa. Assuming that the battle is Sırp Sındığı in Ottoman chronicles, what is the date of the battle, 1364 as Turkish Wikipedia claims or 1371 as English Wikipedia claims, or were there two battles. The western sources tend to support 1371 with Lala Şahin commanding Ottoman army instead of Hacı İlbey. Please contribute to discussion on page The talk page and correct the text if necessary. Nedim Ardoğa ( talk) 14:17, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Khedivate of Egypt recently appeared at T:TDYK having been recently expanded by User:DCI2026, whose enthusiasm doesn't always, umm, match his/her attention to detail, and who has left out a lot of detail on the later khedivate. Indeed, it's pretty debatable whether you can even call it a khedivate before the title was officially granted in 1867, arguably most of the current khedivate article should be in an article called Pashaluk of Egypt or some such. The Cambridge History of Egypt certainly avoids the K word until 1867. (as an aside, Google Books has most of the CHE, a great source for this stuff.) More importantly, the article largely overlaps the better one at History of Egypt under the Muhammad Ali dynasty, although the latter's title could be made more concise. I don't know what the best approach is - there's also an article on Muhammad Ali's seizure of power which again is perhaps not the best title. I have a feeling that given the huge potential scope of these articles, there's room for several articles here, but the current structure isn't right - and unfortunately it's the best current article that should be broken up. I'd propose that the "dynasty" stuff gets moved into the Khedivate article proper, and then the remainder gets consolidated into a single article about Egypt under Muhammad Ali or something and we see how that looks - in the long term you could be looking at a whole family of daughter articles on his social reforms, his military campaigns and so on. There's also interaction with Muhammad Ali of Egypt and Muhammad Ali Dynasty, plus the main article at History of Ottoman Egypt really needs a thorough copyedit, it's gibberish in places. This isn't really my subject (although I find it fascinating), and it really needs to be worked out through consensus so can I leave it in your hands? Le Deluge ( talk) 10:02, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
I'm glad someone finally brought up the issue of article redundancy. Here are some of my proposals to improve the current mess:
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According to this advice I am asking members of this project for help solving disputes on Skanderbeg article. Here is the list of non-resolved disputes. Under that list there is new section with name Proposals how to deal with non-resolved issues. Comments are welcomed.-- Antidiskriminator ( talk) 14:02, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
I want to bring a spelling problem into discussion. As far as I know there is no standard romanization of Ottoman Turkish. But (among other things) there is a confusion of Ottoman personal names ending in -t (like Murat, Mehmet, Ahmet, Beyazıt , Hurşit, Ferhat etc). I prefer to use –t ending. But I observe that some contributers use –d ending (Ahmed instead of Ahmet, Murad instead of Murat etc.) Since Turkish pronunciation prohibits using –d ending, I don’t see any reason why -d ending is preferred, except that –d ending may be the proper usage in Arabic. But Ottoman people spoke Turkish and I think it is highly irrevelant to use the form in Arabic. Nedim Ardoğa ( talk) 12:15, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
I think that article Han (konaklama) should be created on en wikipedia. Is it possible that such article does not exist? If someone knows it does, but with another name, please inform us.-- Antidiskriminator ( talk) 21:56, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
It has been proposed that Foreign relations of the Palestinian National Authority be renamed and moved to Foreign relations of Palestine. Please see the move discussion here. Alinor ( talk) 06:47, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
If someone could provide me with an accurate list of translation of the names of the Ottoman provinces in this map. I can create a new English map. Thanks in advance. P. S. Burton ( talk) 19:18, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
I need help. I found two different definitions of Subaşi term. Can someone help me with advice what definition is more appropriate?-- Antidiskriminator ( talk) 07:20, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
The article Jahja (Yahya) is about the third son of Mehmet III (so elder brother of Ahmet I and Mustafa I.) Although the article is sourced, I couldn't find sources about this prince in general Ottoman History books. Besides his name is not mentioned in Turkish Wikipedia. I suggest those who have sources about Jahja to check this article. Nedim Ardoğa ( talk) 06:15, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
Hello to all! This is to let you know that {{ Ottoman-bio-stub}} has been created for tagging stub articles pertaining to Ottoman people. Constantine ✍ 01:51, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
According to articles Karamanids and Isfendiyarids the two medieval beyliks used the Star of David as their flag. Two flag images were created by different contributers and they were added to the articles by a third contributer (on 15 Feb., 2005). But I am highly spectical about the reliability of the flag images. Any suggestions ? Nedim Ardoğa ( talk) 09:03, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
There's a contested page move at Talk:Trebizond Vilayet#Requested move that could use input from more editors. If anyone reading this page wishes to register an opinion there, it would be very helpful. Thanks in advance. - GTBacchus( talk) 17:44, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
An editor has been removing what they claim is an historically inaccurate map of the Ottoman Empire from a large number of articles. I have reverted these edits until a consensus discussion can be held regarding it. The opinions of editors knowledgable about the history of the Ottoman Empire would be very helpful. The image is on Commons, but a short discussion about it is on its Wikipedia talk page here. Additionally, there's a discussion about the removals here. Assistance would be appreciated. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 14:54, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
Unfortunately, File:OttomanEmpireIn1683.png is not correct. I hope creator will correct errors. Some nationalists want to show this empire much wider. In this map, the term "acquisition" is used. But the Ottoman Empire had never acquired Circassia. As you know, The Ottoman sultan didn't find any disadvantage they were "giving" also coasts of Circassia, where actually had never passed into the hands of the Ottomans, to the Tzar of the Russian Empire with extravagantly promises. (Osmanlı sultanı gerçekte hiçbir zaman fiilen eline geçmemiş olan Çerkesya kıyılarını da bol keseden Rusya Çarı na "vermekte" bir sakınca görmemişti, Sefer E. Berzeg, Soçi'nin Sürgündeki Sahipleri, Kafkasya Gerçeği, 1998, p. 46.). At present we'd better use this map. Takabeg ( talk) 16:17, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
It's unfortunate that the creator of the map, User:AtilimGunesBaydin hasn't been by to join the discussion, but their participation on Wikipedia seems to be rather sporadic. I've just noticed that a number of other editors have worked on improving the map, so I'm going to drop them a notification about this discussion. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 19:22, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
@Antidiskriminator: Can you source some of these errors, please, so a non-expert can understand them? My concern is that we seem to have transitioned in a few short days from a map which "in general ... is still a good map to introduce [the] Ottoman Empire" to one that appears to have errors everywhere, at least by your estimation. Not having a background in this area, I, and other editors like me, cannot make a judgement about the realtive quality of the map without understanding the nature of these errors. Therefore, it would be much more helpful to cite a source or two to support each claim instead of simply saying "Ooops, here's another one." Absent the backing of a reliable source, there is nothing to base a decision on except your good looks and the nice poem you left on my talk page. :) Beyond My Ken ( talk) 22:20, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
Please find below a list of mistakes in the map which I mentioned on this talk page, together with sources supporting my claim about mistakes. There are some more mistakes I noticed in the meantime, but I will try to prepare them within another list.
List of mistakes found in this map together with sources which support the claim about mistake:
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-- Antidiskriminator ( talk) 20:51, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
I've been looking for an accurate map of the Ottoman Empire which clearly shows the vilayets as they were demarcated around 1900, but I couldn't find a locator map that was definitely accurate (and included sources). I have used this svg map to create most of the location maps for the vilayets articles, but it is unsourced and it appears to be wrong in many significant aspects (it's missing some subdivisions, the borders are completely different from the ones found in most maps) so I created another map based on information I found on euratlas, but I don't know if this can be considered accurate either. Can someone help me in finding a map that is 100% authoritative, and shows all vilayets including the ones in the arabian peninsula? Cheers, LK ( talk) 21:48, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
Recently, User:Underlying_lk, User:Vegaswikian & others have been moving around some of the Eyalet and Vilayet pages in accordance with WP:COMMONNAME and WP:ENGLISH. For example, Edirne Province, Ottoman Empire > Edirne Vilayet > Adrianople Vilayet.
As User:Takabeg points out on Talk:Adrianople Eyalet, the first problem is the new pages are WP:OR and violate WP:NOTNEO. For example, he found
"Eyalet of Adrianople" -Llc 15,
"Adrianople Eyalet" -Llc 0 (the current namespace),
"Eyalet of Edirne" -Llc 5, and
"Edirne Eyalet" -Llc 2 (-2),
and proposed to consistently reformat the pages as Eyalet of X and Vilayet of X rather than as X Eyalet and X Vilayet.
The problem is that none of these is the English common name. Ottoman "Province of Adrianople" -Llc clocks in with 65, outranking them all. To avoid OR and violating NOTNEO, we should be using Province of X (where there are other modern provinces in the same space) or Province of X (Ottoman Empire) rather than the current pages. We can't ignore the English common name just to pick the second or third but not the fourth or fifth to suit ourselves; we especially shouldn't combine some English common names with the local endonym for the provinces.
Now, at one point, Underlying_lk raised the valid objection, "'province' is too generic[:] both vilayet and eyalet can be translated as province." The solution is not to avoid ENGLISH or COMMONNAME but to simply combine the pages with appropriate redirects.
The Province of Adrianople ( Ottoman Turkish: ایالت ادرنه, Eyālet-i Edirnê, Edirne Eyalet from 1826 citation needed–1864; Ottoman Turkish: ولايت ادرنه, Vilâyet-i Edirne, [2] Edirne Vilayet from 1864–1922) was a province of the Ottoman Empire in south-eastern Europe. ...
The Province of Adrianople was a province of the Ottoman Empire in south-eastern Europe. It was called the Eyalet of Edirne ( Ottoman Turkish: ایالت ادرنه, Eyālet-i Edirnê) from its founding in 1826 citation needed until the Tanzimat Reforms of 1864, after which it was known as the Vilayet of Edirne (ولايت ادرنه, Vilâyet-i Edirne [3]). ...
... Because it was commanded by a pasha, the province of Janina was also known as the Pashalik of Janina. ...
Thoughts? — LlywelynII 02:34, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi, everyone. When you have time, could you control this attempt ( Turgut Reis) ? Thank you. Takabeg ( talk) 01:37, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
Did an eyalet by the name of Nogai ever exist? I created the currently very stubby article based on what I could grasp from the corresponding Turkish wikipedia page, but I can't find it mentioned anywhere either on Google Books or the wider internet, or on any map of the Ottoman Empire ( this map seems to depict it as a part of imperial russia). From what I read on Nogai this horde was at some point a tributary to the Ottomans, but there's no mention of it having an eyalet of its own or even being integrated into the empire. Besides, it would have been highly unusual for the Ottomans to name a province after an ethnic group, especially in the 17th century, which makes me think that at very least the current name is wrong. If someone that can read Turkish could check the references mentioned on the tr.wiki article that would be enormously helpful.-- LK ( talk) 16:37, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi, everyone. A historical document was used incorrectly in the article Armenian Genocide. See Talk:Armenian Genocide#Personal explanation. Thank you. Takabeg ( talk) 04:53, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
There are numerous sources which mention this sanjak as sanjak of Berat. But there are sources (like this) which claim that sanjak of Berat did not exist and that it was sanjak of Valona, but sometimes referred as Berat because of its seat which was Berat for some time. There are also numerous sources which claim that Berat belonged to Sanjak of Vallona (Vlore).
If anybody knows something more about this subject please help with resolving this issue.-- Antidiskriminator ( talk) 08:33, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi, everyone. The name "Egir Eyalet", (also " Eyalet of Egir", " Province of Egir", " Egir Province") is original research. What do you think of Talk:Egir Eyalet ? Takabeg ( talk) 16:27, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
Both seem to be equivalent to one another. They come from Turkish and Arabic respectively, and the confusion between the two recently became something of a stumbling block in my Modern Middle East course. Can we examine the possibility of merging the Kadı content into the Qadi article? I have done very little so far where editing is concerned, and this is my first conversation contribution on Wikipedia. I think it best if a more experienced editor examine this issue, and if need be, rectify it. Amringel ( talk) 20:54, 14 September 2011 (UTC)Amringel 16:53 14 September 2011
Readers here may be interested in contributing to a proposal regarding the renaming of 11 Ottoman Eyalet articles. See Talk:Mosul Eyalet#Multi-move. Cheers. - GTBacchus( talk) 13:14, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
I have created a page named Short-lived Ottoman provinces, as suggested on the recent Afd about Zigetvar Eyalet, to gather all the short-lived eyalets and vilayets in one place. However, some have expressed concerns with this approach. This discussion is meant to create consensus on whether all provinces should have their own page (regardless of how long they existed) or if some should be merged to this page. My proposal is to merge to "Short-lived Ottoman provinces" all provinces which existed for less than 15 years and whose article has remained a stub for a long time despite several efforts to expand it. Of course, the entries could be later un-merged if there's ever enough material for a self-standing article.-- eh bien mon prince ( talk) 17:15, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
There has been a recent trend to use 19th century spellings for Ottoman place names rather than the modern Turkish forms. As an example which I am familiar with, Ottoman Trabzon is referred to as Trebizond because this was the spelling used in the 19th century and earlier. I have argued that using archaic spellings of place names when referring to historical periods is something which is unique to Ottoman pages on Wikipedia; for example, we don't find Tokio up to a certain date and then the modern Tokyo afterwards. I have found no guidelines in the Wikipedia Help which state that we should use archaic English spellings for places when speaking about historical periods, and use modern spellings for recent history. It is my belief that this creates confusion (readers are forced to guess that Ottoman-era Kerasus is actually the same place as Republican-era Giresun). Furthermore, if this is the policy we are adopting for Wikipedia pages on the Ottoman Empire, then what is the exact date at which we have to switch to modern spellings? I have tried several methods of getting an answer to this, but hopefully this is the right place to come to a final decision. Thank you. Ordtoy ( talk) 16:36, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
Something I noticed and have raised on the talk page of the template Ottoman princes fighting for the throne may be of interest to project members who've taken part in this discussion. I cannot claim to know a great deal about the subject, but the question of consistency seems to be important! Jdhowens90 ( talk) 19:40, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
What does: (charter) mean after some users signatures? Aidan 13 k ( talk) 03:42, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
Second opinions are needed here. I have been searching around wikipedia and I cannot find anything about Ethem bey or Rauf (orbay) Bey. Uhlan talk 21:37, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
One of your WikiProject's top-importance articles, Istanbul, has recently been nominated for featured status. Feel free to participate in the discussion regarding its suitability at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Istanbul/archive1. -- tariqabjotu 21:51, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
Alas, compared to other projects, we don't have a great wealth of images related to Ottoman history. However, I'm planning a trip to Turkey in September, and will spend most of my time in Istanbul; would anybody like to request any images? I'm happy to visit a museum or archive with camera in hand... bobrayner ( talk) 22:33, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
An IP has continued to remove Stefan Lazarevic from the Infobox on the article Battle of Ankara stating that the sources used are not supported by primary sources(which has NOT been proven on the talk page). I would like more opinions concerning whether Lazarevic, a vassal of Bayezid I, should be included in the Infobox or not. Thanks. -- Defensor Ursa 23:01, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
image:Abdyl Frasheri.JPG has been nominated for deletion -- 65.92.181.190 ( talk) 08:16, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
Hi all,
Last year, I made {{
Taxation in the Ottoman Empire sidebar}} and some related articles. However, recently I've moved onto building content on things like land tenure, which often overlap with taxation but they're not exactly the same thing. So, which would be best?
Any suggestions or comments? bobrayner ( talk) 15:41, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
An editor (who is not a member of this project) has recently added multiple project banners to Talk:History of Vojvodina, including this one. Please feel free to remove it of it is not within this project's scope. See this section of the talk page for further background. Voceditenore ( talk) 09:23, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
Category:1911 establishments in Turkey, Category:1876 establishments in Turkey, Category:1903 in Turkey and several related articles have all been nominated for merger or renaming to be the related Ottoman Empire categories. Your participation at the CfDs on these matters would be greatly appreciated and may well help them to be more informed and correct. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 23:34, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
Category:1910 disestablishments in Turkey has been nominated for renaming to Category:1910 disestablishments in the Ottoman Empire. Since one of the articles in that category is tagged as part of this category I felt people in this category should be notified so that they can have a chance to express their opinions on this matter. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 23:36, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
Category:People of the Ottoman Empire has been proposed to be renamed to Category:Ottoman Empire people. I felt it would be good to notify the project and invite participation, even if it was a while ago the nomination was made. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 02:05, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
Your attention is drawn to Talk:History_of_Vojvodina#Request_For_Comment_re:_WikiProject_Banners_on_this_page. Regards, Peacemaker67 ( send... over) 02:13, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
image:Raufbey.jpg has been nominated for speedy deletion -- 65.92.180.137 ( talk) 23:46, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
The editor who initially shepherded Suleiman the Magnificent to FA status has been inactive for many years and the quality of the article has begun to degrade. Any experts who can come in and buff the article up to snuff again would be appreciated.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 03:25, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
There is a name change request and related discussion in the talk page of Ali Pasha article. I think we will benefit from more informed comments so please contribute. Filanca ( talk) 22:03, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
Greetings! I have recently relisted a requested move discussion at Talk:Ali_Pasha#Requested_move_2, regarding a page relating to this WikiProject. Discussion and opinions are invited. Thanks, Tyrol5 [Talk] 01:58, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the valuable contributions to the article Decline of the Ottoman Empire, except that the article covers 19th century instead of 18th century. It seems one editor (who seems to be inactive now) in 2005 used the Battle of Navarino in 1827 and the Second Constitutional Era in 1908 as the milestones. Actually the decline period begins by Battle of Vienna in 1683 (documented in 1699 by the Treaty of Karlowitz) and ends in 1789 (or 1792). So the text of the article actually belongs to a later era. Although I am ready to move the contents, I'd like to take a second opinion. Nedim Ardoğa ( talk) 10:51, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
file:1965 Yerevan demonstration.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.92.180.137 ( talk) 02:21, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
image:Levon shant photo.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.79.6 ( talk) 06:01, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
File:Teodosij.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.79.6 ( talk) 03:23, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
image:Skandeberginkruja.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.79.6 ( talk) 02:50, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
image:Father Shtjefen Gjecovi, old photo.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 ( talk) 05:50, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Template:Infobox Ottoman sultan ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) has been nominated for replacement -- 76.65.128.222 ( talk) 06:15, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
There is a dispute over terminology which should be used to refer to the Ottoman Empire and Military of the Ottoman Empire in one article.
There is also a proposal to resolve this dispute ( link to the section with proposal) at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history. Since Ottoman Empire and Military of the Ottoman Empire are within the scope of this WikiProject I believe that members of this wikiproject might be interested to help resolving this dispute either by joining the discussion at WP MILHIST (which is what I did) or presenting an opinion here.-- Antidiskriminator ( talk) 09:30, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
Each one of the sources I have come across has a different transliteration of the ancient poet's name (some of the sources themselves use more than one!). And part of his "name" isnt actually his name, but more like a (self granted) title ( Çelebi (title)). see User:TheRedPenOfDoom/sandbox/poet.
How would I decide what the WP:COMMONNAME is? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 21:57, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
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Hello, there's an ongoing debate concerning moving the Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem article to "Sanjak of Jerusalem". The outcome will likely impact the renaming of other similar articles re the "independent departments". Your input can help resolve the debate, thank you. Oncenawhile ( talk) 08:01, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
Lots of changes going on here, probably pov editwarring. Dougweller ( talk) 11:36, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
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Harej ( talk) 16:56, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
Perhaps someone in this project would like to take a look at these two forks: Socioeconomics of the Ottoman reformation era and Socioeconomics of the Ottoman enlargement era. They are orphans and have hardly been edited since 2011. They might be valid subjects for articles, but both are at the moment almost completely without references. Thanks. P. S. Burton ( talk) 20:42, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
Hi! I am wondering if it would be a good idea to add a specific person placeholder image to Ottoman articles? That way, you could see which biography articles are lacking an infobox image; the image lists use in WP.-- Zoupan 16:03, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
The redirects Hafsa Sultan and Hatice Sultan (daughter of Ahmed III), have been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion. Your comments in the discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 May 28#Hafsa Sultan and Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 May 28#Hatice Sultan (daughter of Ahmed III) would be welcome. Comments left here will almost certainly not be seen by the closing administrator. Thank you, Tavix | Talk 16:36, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
Does any one know of any resources out there where I could find some basic biographical details like birth and death years for Ottoman provincial governors. I'm looking for those dates particularly for Muhammad Pasha al-Azm and Uthman Pasha al-Kurji, long-time governors of Damascus Eyalet. Any help would be appreciated. -- Al Ameer ( talk) 00:05, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
The Ottoman Turkish name of the Septinsular Republic in the infobox and the one in the intro text are different. Anyone care to work on that? Discuss it here. — AjaxSmack 15:17, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
Hello,
I started a discussion here after being reverted several times when trying to restore a see also link in hatnote from Category:Ottoman Greeks to Category:Greeks in Turkey (the reverse link exists and has always had). Your thoughts are welcome there on this issue. Place Clichy ( talk) 15:02, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
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