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There have been quite a few opera-related articles transwikied recently, mostly from the Italian Wikipedia, and probably more to come. Almost all of them need copyediting as the translations are not idiomatic and are sometimes rather misleading. They also need proper links to other articles (many of the red links in the articles would probably be blue if the correct name were used), formatting of opera titles, etc. Several lack sufficient references as well, although only one is completely unreferenced. I'll list them here, for anyone who'd like to tackle polishing up one or two when they have some spare time.
Stefano Gobatti • Luigi Bolis • Lando Bartolini • Gaetano Bardini • Basilio Basili • Lamberto Bergamini • Angelo Bendinelli • Armando Bini • Adolfo Bassi
– Voceditenore ( talk) 12:35, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Hello all. I have a question about the Category:Operas by language. I just created an article on Menotti's The Last Savage. In this case the composer wrote the original libretto in Italian, but the opera premiered in French. To make matters more complicated, this opera has been mounted only four times, twice in English and once each in Italian and French. So what category (or categories?) should I use for this opera? 4meter4 ( talk) 19:25, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
For information: the above discography has now been created as an adjunct to the main article, which in its expanded form should be completed early next week. Brianboulton ( talk) 19:45, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
Suggestion (if nothing else emerges by tomorrow (the 28th), I'll add this to the template:
- Voceditenore ( talk) 06:30, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
Yikes! February only has 28 days! I suggest we use to this turn some of the red links blue on GuillaumeTell's List of operas performed at the Wexford Festival. Example below.
- Voceditenore ( talk) 18:19, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
Finally, I've migrated this from my subpage. I've removed all red links except those for a few operas and one composer. I'm planning to create articles for all of those, starting with Carlo Pedrotti, but if anyone else wants to help, feel free (and thanks, Voceditenore, for the sudden appearence of La cena delle beffe!). One note: in the final column, the singers are only those with WP entries, and indexing a column with more than one person in each box is a bit hazardous. Another note: in the conductors/directors/designers columns, there do seem to me to be quite a few who really ought to appear in Wikipedia. Some examples that struck me: conductors Maurizio Benini, György Fischer, Arnold Östman, Evelino Pidò; directors Jean-Claude Auvray, Anthony Besch, Robert Carsen, John Cox, Peter Ebert, John Fulljames, Stefan Janski, Keith Warner; designers: Alison Chitty, Charles Edwards, John Stoddart, Joe Vaněk.
My idea of doing the same for Glyndebourne and Opera North now seems a bit problematic. Wexford rarely puts on more then three operas per year, but Glyndebourne does 6 (since the 1930s) and Opera North up to 9 (since 1978), which would make for very long lists. (Buxton is more problematic still, since I only have some of the programmes, though I do have a complete list of the operas). I'm wondering whether a series of articles, one for each season - rather like 61st Academy Awards or British Academy Television Awards 2005 and similar - might be feasible. Any thoughts, anyone? -- Guillaume Tell 17:51, 23 February 2010 (UTC) + -- Guillaume Tell 18:49, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
I've ordered the Wexford recording (love Il giuramento and heard the Washington Concert Opera's performance last May) and was planning on adding a decent synopsis, as well as fleshing out other things. But if you have both it and the programme and have the time/inclination, go ahead. I'm planning on getting an article started for Elisa e Caludio, the other Wexford one. Viva-Verdi ( talk) 17:21, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Can I draw people's attention to this dog's breakfast of an article. The topic is an important one for us (and for the Wagner project) but the article has references to supposed leitmotifs in films, computer games etc - these of course are not leitmotifs, just themes, (except possibly in a very few cases, which could be particularly cited). Of course if one just deletes this stuff there will be uproar. What is relevant to Opera and Wagner it seems to me is the classical music and, possibly, literature sections. Should we try to split the article up by creating , say, Leitmotif (classical music) and Leitmotif (popular culture)? -- User:Smerus
I've made a start on tidying this and dealing with the classical music side, but really don't feel up to tackling the literature and popular culture aspects - would anyone like to have a go at the literature side, at least? I note we also need an article on reminiscence motif.....-- Smerus ( talk) 21:23, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
Looks like this debate has flared up again over at the Composers Project [1]. FWIW I've just removed an infobox from Claude Debussy which had a section listing his "Associated acts" (was he a circus performer then?). -- Folantin ( talk) 09:36, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
I have two articles I've been working on which are part of WikiProject Opera: Ralph Lyford and Castle Agrazant (opera). Both articles are currently rated as Start class and I'd like to improve that rating. I'd appreciate an assessment of the article (changing the rating if it has progressed beyond start class) and also specific feedback I can have to improve the articles. Thanks. ejly ( talk) 20:56, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
While searching out refs for Sarah Tynan I discovered to my surprise that there is no page for Greek (opera) (nor Greek (play)!) If any one has the wherewithal to create this, I can do the refs for the original Berkoff play, as I have the Faber-published script. (In case you're wondering ST was in the RNCM production of it ten yrs ago) almost- instinct 10:26, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
Greetings, operaphiles. Please see here for my invitation to improve List of historical opera characters in any way you can. Cheers. -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 09:56, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
Now that the "priority" articles have all been sourced, members can take a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Opera/Unreferenced BLPs. If you see any further names marked FN (fairly notable) which should be brought to the attention of editors for sourcing, please list them below. Once you've completed the sourcing and removed the {{ Blpunsourced}} tag add {{y}} by their name. Voceditenore ( talk) 10:08, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
Notes on sourcing:
I have now subscribed the OP to a bot which tags unreferenced BLPs and warns the article's creator. The bot also generates a daily updated page for us of all such articles which have been also been tagged with our project's banner. You'll find it at Wikipedia:WikiProject Opera/New unreferenced BLPs. The original list at Wikipedia:WikiProject Opera/Unreferenced BLPs was complied by Rettetast and is more likely to catch other articles, as it looks for key categories rather than relying on the talk page being bannered. I'll ask Rettetast to do another run for us sometime next week. Voceditenore ( talk) 17:25, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
PS. In a couple of days I'm going to archive this discussion as there is a link to the OP unreferenced BLP clean-up page at the top of this talk page. Editors interested in working in this area can check it out periodically. Voceditenore ( talk) 18:48, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
I just filed a new Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Nrswanson. I sincerely hope it's not a false alarm, as a sockpuppet investigation is not a nice way to greet new users. {{{SIGH}}} Voceditenore ( talk) 14:57, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
I noticed that the articles for Il ritorno d'Ulisse in patria, L'incoronazione di Poppea , and The Bartered Bride now use the Template:Italic title. While I'm in favour of this title style, my recollection of the project's stance is based on a discussion in June 2009 where the consensus seemed to be against its use. Has it changed? Either way, shouldn't the project's preferred style be documented at Wikipedia:WikiProject Opera/Article styles and formats? -- Michael Bednarek ( talk) 07:02, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
Would someone mind explaining what the implication of this is in how the page actually looks with or without......? I'm confused. Viva-Verdi ( talk) 22:46, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
Viva-Verdi, I'm assuming you're asking what is the implication of italicizing the title of the whole article (in addition to italicizing the title of the work when it is mentioned in the text of the article, which is normal practice.) Here are some examples of what it looks like:
The three main implications are:
(I also think italicized article titles are harder to read at a glance and look both messy and unprofessional. But that's just personal taste.)
The question is do any of the main implications matter and if so, is there consensus here to add to the project style guidelines a recommendation that they not be used? Voceditenore ( talk) 06:39, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 90 | Archive 91 | Archive 92 | Archive 93 | Archive 94 | Archive 95 | → | Archive 100 |
There have been quite a few opera-related articles transwikied recently, mostly from the Italian Wikipedia, and probably more to come. Almost all of them need copyediting as the translations are not idiomatic and are sometimes rather misleading. They also need proper links to other articles (many of the red links in the articles would probably be blue if the correct name were used), formatting of opera titles, etc. Several lack sufficient references as well, although only one is completely unreferenced. I'll list them here, for anyone who'd like to tackle polishing up one or two when they have some spare time.
Stefano Gobatti • Luigi Bolis • Lando Bartolini • Gaetano Bardini • Basilio Basili • Lamberto Bergamini • Angelo Bendinelli • Armando Bini • Adolfo Bassi
– Voceditenore ( talk) 12:35, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Hello all. I have a question about the Category:Operas by language. I just created an article on Menotti's The Last Savage. In this case the composer wrote the original libretto in Italian, but the opera premiered in French. To make matters more complicated, this opera has been mounted only four times, twice in English and once each in Italian and French. So what category (or categories?) should I use for this opera? 4meter4 ( talk) 19:25, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
For information: the above discography has now been created as an adjunct to the main article, which in its expanded form should be completed early next week. Brianboulton ( talk) 19:45, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
Suggestion (if nothing else emerges by tomorrow (the 28th), I'll add this to the template:
- Voceditenore ( talk) 06:30, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
Yikes! February only has 28 days! I suggest we use to this turn some of the red links blue on GuillaumeTell's List of operas performed at the Wexford Festival. Example below.
- Voceditenore ( talk) 18:19, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
Finally, I've migrated this from my subpage. I've removed all red links except those for a few operas and one composer. I'm planning to create articles for all of those, starting with Carlo Pedrotti, but if anyone else wants to help, feel free (and thanks, Voceditenore, for the sudden appearence of La cena delle beffe!). One note: in the final column, the singers are only those with WP entries, and indexing a column with more than one person in each box is a bit hazardous. Another note: in the conductors/directors/designers columns, there do seem to me to be quite a few who really ought to appear in Wikipedia. Some examples that struck me: conductors Maurizio Benini, György Fischer, Arnold Östman, Evelino Pidò; directors Jean-Claude Auvray, Anthony Besch, Robert Carsen, John Cox, Peter Ebert, John Fulljames, Stefan Janski, Keith Warner; designers: Alison Chitty, Charles Edwards, John Stoddart, Joe Vaněk.
My idea of doing the same for Glyndebourne and Opera North now seems a bit problematic. Wexford rarely puts on more then three operas per year, but Glyndebourne does 6 (since the 1930s) and Opera North up to 9 (since 1978), which would make for very long lists. (Buxton is more problematic still, since I only have some of the programmes, though I do have a complete list of the operas). I'm wondering whether a series of articles, one for each season - rather like 61st Academy Awards or British Academy Television Awards 2005 and similar - might be feasible. Any thoughts, anyone? -- Guillaume Tell 17:51, 23 February 2010 (UTC) + -- Guillaume Tell 18:49, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
I've ordered the Wexford recording (love Il giuramento and heard the Washington Concert Opera's performance last May) and was planning on adding a decent synopsis, as well as fleshing out other things. But if you have both it and the programme and have the time/inclination, go ahead. I'm planning on getting an article started for Elisa e Caludio, the other Wexford one. Viva-Verdi ( talk) 17:21, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Can I draw people's attention to this dog's breakfast of an article. The topic is an important one for us (and for the Wagner project) but the article has references to supposed leitmotifs in films, computer games etc - these of course are not leitmotifs, just themes, (except possibly in a very few cases, which could be particularly cited). Of course if one just deletes this stuff there will be uproar. What is relevant to Opera and Wagner it seems to me is the classical music and, possibly, literature sections. Should we try to split the article up by creating , say, Leitmotif (classical music) and Leitmotif (popular culture)? -- User:Smerus
I've made a start on tidying this and dealing with the classical music side, but really don't feel up to tackling the literature and popular culture aspects - would anyone like to have a go at the literature side, at least? I note we also need an article on reminiscence motif.....-- Smerus ( talk) 21:23, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
Looks like this debate has flared up again over at the Composers Project [1]. FWIW I've just removed an infobox from Claude Debussy which had a section listing his "Associated acts" (was he a circus performer then?). -- Folantin ( talk) 09:36, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
I have two articles I've been working on which are part of WikiProject Opera: Ralph Lyford and Castle Agrazant (opera). Both articles are currently rated as Start class and I'd like to improve that rating. I'd appreciate an assessment of the article (changing the rating if it has progressed beyond start class) and also specific feedback I can have to improve the articles. Thanks. ejly ( talk) 20:56, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
While searching out refs for Sarah Tynan I discovered to my surprise that there is no page for Greek (opera) (nor Greek (play)!) If any one has the wherewithal to create this, I can do the refs for the original Berkoff play, as I have the Faber-published script. (In case you're wondering ST was in the RNCM production of it ten yrs ago) almost- instinct 10:26, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
Greetings, operaphiles. Please see here for my invitation to improve List of historical opera characters in any way you can. Cheers. -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 09:56, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
Now that the "priority" articles have all been sourced, members can take a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Opera/Unreferenced BLPs. If you see any further names marked FN (fairly notable) which should be brought to the attention of editors for sourcing, please list them below. Once you've completed the sourcing and removed the {{ Blpunsourced}} tag add {{y}} by their name. Voceditenore ( talk) 10:08, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
Notes on sourcing:
I have now subscribed the OP to a bot which tags unreferenced BLPs and warns the article's creator. The bot also generates a daily updated page for us of all such articles which have been also been tagged with our project's banner. You'll find it at Wikipedia:WikiProject Opera/New unreferenced BLPs. The original list at Wikipedia:WikiProject Opera/Unreferenced BLPs was complied by Rettetast and is more likely to catch other articles, as it looks for key categories rather than relying on the talk page being bannered. I'll ask Rettetast to do another run for us sometime next week. Voceditenore ( talk) 17:25, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
PS. In a couple of days I'm going to archive this discussion as there is a link to the OP unreferenced BLP clean-up page at the top of this talk page. Editors interested in working in this area can check it out periodically. Voceditenore ( talk) 18:48, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
I just filed a new Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Nrswanson. I sincerely hope it's not a false alarm, as a sockpuppet investigation is not a nice way to greet new users. {{{SIGH}}} Voceditenore ( talk) 14:57, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
I noticed that the articles for Il ritorno d'Ulisse in patria, L'incoronazione di Poppea , and The Bartered Bride now use the Template:Italic title. While I'm in favour of this title style, my recollection of the project's stance is based on a discussion in June 2009 where the consensus seemed to be against its use. Has it changed? Either way, shouldn't the project's preferred style be documented at Wikipedia:WikiProject Opera/Article styles and formats? -- Michael Bednarek ( talk) 07:02, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
Would someone mind explaining what the implication of this is in how the page actually looks with or without......? I'm confused. Viva-Verdi ( talk) 22:46, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
Viva-Verdi, I'm assuming you're asking what is the implication of italicizing the title of the whole article (in addition to italicizing the title of the work when it is mentioned in the text of the article, which is normal practice.) Here are some examples of what it looks like:
The three main implications are:
(I also think italicized article titles are harder to read at a glance and look both messy and unprofessional. But that's just personal taste.)
The question is do any of the main implications matter and if so, is there consensus here to add to the project style guidelines a recommendation that they not be used? Voceditenore ( talk) 06:39, 10 March 2010 (UTC)