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WikiProject Stub sorting have broken down Category:Opera singer stubs and are re-tagging articles with the following new stubs:
Not that big a deal, and potentially useful as that cat was huge. But there are some anomalies which I've raised with them here. Voceditenore ( talk) 18:24, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
Anyone know of an online list of all of Pav's onstage opera performances (ie missing out arenas, galas)? Cheers, almost- instinct 12:35, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
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User_talk:Nrswanson#Unreferenced_BLPs - I haven't looked at any of the aliases. -- Guillaume Tell 11:43, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
Hey all. I made a page on Donizetti's L'ange de Nisida because it piqued my curiosity and has allowed me to further procrastinate Lucia. I am looking at Ashbrook's synopsis, and it is not divided into acts even though elsewhere in the book L'ange is claimed to be in four acts. How should I write the synopsis? Just glob it all together, or leave it out entirely? -- Andy Walsh (talk) 22:33, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
These immediately stood out (please add any others), for any wikignomes want to work on this. It usually takes about 5 minutes per article to provde a source. When/if, you've done one, please check it off with {{y}}. Voceditenore ( talk) 19:25, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
I've now added a second lot, all of whom are notable, and will keep this updated as other cases come to light. Some of them are tagged {{ refimprove}} rather than {{ BLP unsourced}} but they are so poorly sourced that it's only a matter of time before the latter tag will be added instead. The complete list of unsourced opera-related BLPs with indications of relative notability is here. Voceditenore ( talk) 11:21, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
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Hello Wikiproject! Currently there is a discussion which will decide whether wikipedia will delete 49,000 articles about a living person without references, here:
Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Biographies of living people
Since biographies of living people covers so many topics, many wikiproject topics will be effected.
The two opposing positions which have the most support is:
Comments are welcome. Keep in mind that by default, editor's comments are hidden. Simply press edit next to the section to add your comment.
Please keep in mind that at this point, it seems that editors support deleting unreferenced BLP articles if they are not sourced, so your project may want to source these articles as soon as possible. See the next, message, which may help.
Tools to help your project with unreferenced Biographies of living people
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If you don't already have this and are interested in creating a list of articles which need cleanup for your wikiproject see: Cleanup listings A list of examples is here
If you are interested in moving unreferenced blp articles that your project covers, to a special "incubation page", contact me, User talk:Ikip
If you are interested in watchlisting all of the unreferenced articles once you install Cleanup_listings, contact me, User talk:Ikip Ikip 05:05, 26 January 2010 (UTC) |
With the manic BLP sourcing campaign, this has really slipped under the radar. If there are no suggestions I propose holding over the unfinished work from the January CoM and OoM. [3] Quite a lot was accomplished on those, but we could finish off the rest. Anyhow, other suggestions below, please... Voceditenore ( talk) 18:06, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
From WikiProject Opera:
There don't seem to be any fair use images in that article (two fair use audio snippets, though). Rl ( talk) 09:49, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
It can be found right here. GamerPro64 ( talk) 02:27, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Bayreuth canon is one of the current WP:Featured list candidates. Opera project members are welcome to comment.-- Peter cohen ( talk) 11:29, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
The various discography pages for major repertory works have recently become more and more complete and inclusive, which I think is great. My thought here is about proper credit for the company or entity responsible for creating the various recordings. Many of the older titles have long since been deleted by the company that made them and are available now on a variety of independent labels. My suggestion is that a separate column be added to the standard discography template to indicate the company that originally made the record. If the recording originated as a live broadcast or performance, that could be indicated here as well. The current label and catalog number column would continue to list the current or most recent version available and the format. Any thoughts? Thanks. Markhh ( talk) 21:42, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
If anyone has time, I'd appreciate comments here or on my Talk page on a list that I've started in my Gravelbox: List_of_operas_performed_at_the_Wexford_Festival. I'll be adding sources (WFO programmes and a couple of books). I'll also be de-redlinking operas and people with no WP articles.
A few questions have arisen which I'd like to settle before putting in the rest of the data:
After finishing this project, I have plans to create similar lists for Glyndebourne Festival Opera, Buxton Festival and Opera North, companies for which I also have complete data. -- Guillaume Tell 16:36, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Anyway, some comments:
The article on the borderline opera Twice Through the Heart is now a GA. My project related plans are currently the improvement of Blond Eckbert to GA, the creation of an article on Gavin Bryars' Dr Ox's Experiment and to return to working on Karl Ridderbusch and related discgraphy.-- Peter cohen ( talk) 20:10, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
There's a considerable brouhaha going on about several administrators who are mass-deleting all unreferenced BLPs: [5], [6], [7]. At first it was BLPs that had the tag since 2006, now they're deleting any article that hasn't been edited in 6 months. Judging by the response here, this will probably continue unabated and accelerate. So don't ignore warnings that an article you've created is an unreferenced BLP... if you want to keep it, that is. Note also that the bots and new page patrollers who are tagging these articles make a lot of mistakes, e.g. [8] or not noticing that the reliable source is actually in the External links section [9].
There's a list of unreferenced BLP opera articles here. Although note that the bot that produces it only runs about once a month, so there may be others. Worth checking to see if there are any you care about. I've added soources or removed inappropriate tags for some of them. Voceditenore ( talk) 16:35, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
Since the cleanup listings is a couple of months old I have taken the liberty to make an updated list based on articles tagged with {{ WikiProject Opera}} or are in a subcat of Category:Opera singers. The list is currently at User:Rettetast/Sandbox87. Copy, move, advertise or do whatever you want with the list. Ping me if you want it updated. Rettetast ( talk) 16:05, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Am I to understand that many of the deleted articles were never even tagged speedy/prod/xfd? Are creators/major contributors not informed, either? That's a bit heavy handed, if you ask me. At least with tags, even speedy, you get a certain amount of time to review and salvage and are often alerted if/when the article is finally deleted. Bot-mass-deletion simply creates a huge list of deleted articles without telling anyone where to find these lists—or even that they exist. Given the recent activity over at WP:CTM (my fault entirely), there is no doubt whatever that even unreferenced stub BLPs from 2003 can often relate to very notable subjects that have simply been forgotten about. The suggested sandboxing and relisting seem to be sensible methods to combat this purge, though. Thanks for the personal heads up about this Voceditenore. -- Jubilee♫ clipman 11:39, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Following the original mass-deletion, it is clear that the policy is going to be changed to allow, in fact require, the deletion of all unreferenced biographies of living persons. This has been endorsed by Jimmy Wales as well. [11]. The only question now is the mechanism and time-scale for it. The various proposals and discussion of them are underway at Requests for comment/Biographies of living people. An interim summary of the outcome is here Note that this will almost certainly be extended to bios which are so poorly and unreliably referenced that they are de facto unreferenced.
This has considerable implications for the OP as there are so many bios of living singers under our banner. In some senses this is a pain primarily because it's happening very quickly and I'm not completely confident that WikiProjects will be properly kept informed of the articles deleted or under threat, although I and others have made repeated requests for this at the RfC. But on the whole, I welcome the increased rigor and quality that will be demanded. It also means that we can get rid of many bios by wannabe opera stars and their agents that are clogging up the encyclopedia. We can also delete all unreferenced cruft from both fans and detractors in articles on sight. In the course of checking the unreferenced opera BLPs here, I've found everything from blatant adverts for totally non-notable singers to blatant copyvios to bizarre additions such as this. Voceditenore ( talk) 15:26, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
I've gone through the entire list at Wikipedia:WikiProject Opera/Unreferenced BLPs. I've completely removed several articles which were mis-categorized and repaired the cats. I've struck through the articles sourced as of 28 January. I've annotated each name in terms of their relative notability and have now added all the remaining clearly notable unsourced bios to the list below.
We started out with a list of 102 unsourced bios. As of 1 February there remain 42 unsourced of which 0 are for clearly notable people. All in all, I think we're in pretty good shape, and even if the remaining articles get deleted, at least we'll know which ones they are so that we can retrieve them. The exercise has also been useful for finding mis-categorized articles, copyvios, and highlighting some pretty clear non-notables for future PROD/AFD. Voceditenore ( talk) 09:57, 27 January 2010 (UTC) [last updated by Voceditenore ( talk) 14:06, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
For those of you aren't suffering from "discussion fatigue" yet, WikiProject Arts has a discussion on revising categories for 'creative works' – visual arts, music, literature etc.- Voceditenore ( talk) 08:15, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
In about a week's time I hope to start an expansion of this article, along the lines of Poppea last autumn. Comments/ help welcome as the article develops. Brianboulton ( talk) 23:43, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
For your information: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dawn Padmore. -- Vejvančický ( talk) 08:06, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
I was very surprised this page didn't exist, so I've made a start. If anyone has anything further, that would be really helpful almost- instinct 14:39, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
Hello wikiproject, I requested a bot which will update unreferenced living people (BLPs) daily. User talk:Betacommand is willing to create this bot. Since you already have a /Unreferenced BLPs page, this shows your project really cares about this issue.
I just need a list of projects who would like to test this bot. Please let me know here if your project would like to do this. Thank you. Okip (the new and improved Ikip) 19:25, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps someone with more experience than I can assist with this. Typing in "Ghosts of Versailles" redirects to the Moberly-Jourdain incident without even a disambiguation page reference back to the opera. As far as I am concerned, the search should redirect primarily to the opera with a disambiguation reference back to the time-slip incident known as Moberly-Jourdain. Theshoveljockey ( talk) 23:04, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Without the "The" you do go directly to the "incident" you mention. I think that is correctable. I'll try. Viva-Verdi ( talk) 23:37, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
I have made a disambiguation - -- Smerus ( talk) 04:57, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
I see that a new editor has just created this page without sources - its already had a BLP tag slapped on it. Could someone who knows the subject help him/her out? almost- instinct 16:41, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
Excuse my ignorance once again about technical matters, but I have noticed that there are two entries for the opera Victory over the Sun. The second and less consequential entry is located at Victory Over The Sun. Since I do not know how exactly to redirect the capitalization variations onto a single entry, can someone please assist in consolidating these two pages? Thank you. Theshoveljockey ( talk) 03:30, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Daniel_Dutton is about someone who had an opera performed by Kentucky Opera. It was reviewed by George Heymont under his Tessi Tura alter ego in the Bay Area Reporter. Judging by Heymont's profile he is in the B- or C-list of American opera critics. I'm tending towards keep, but someone who is more familiar with the American scene could better judge whether a production by KO and a review by GH/TT in BAR constitutes notability.-- Peter cohen ( talk) 12:22, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
Well, as I noted in the edit summary line: if we're considering keeping this article, at least let's make it LOOK better.... So, a few wiki links, a few external links, a few titles italicized achieves some of that. Whether it has any operatic significance is another matter.... Viva-Verdi ( talk) 21:20, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
This template has been created and mass added to all articles about Italian tenors. As I wrote at Template talk:Italian tenors:
I am removing this from every article it's been added to, until consensus is reached here. Voceditenore ( talk) 22:48, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 85 | ← | Archive 90 | Archive 91 | Archive 92 | Archive 93 | Archive 94 | Archive 95 |
WikiProject Stub sorting have broken down Category:Opera singer stubs and are re-tagging articles with the following new stubs:
Not that big a deal, and potentially useful as that cat was huge. But there are some anomalies which I've raised with them here. Voceditenore ( talk) 18:24, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
Anyone know of an online list of all of Pav's onstage opera performances (ie missing out arenas, galas)? Cheers, almost- instinct 12:35, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
This message is being sent to each WikiProject that participates in the WP 1.0 assessment system. On Saturday, January 23, 2010, the WP 1.0 bot will be upgraded. Your project does not need to take any action, but the appearance of your project's summary table will change. The upgrade will make many new, optional features available to all WikiProjects. Additional information is available at the WP 1.0 project homepage. — Carl ( CBM · talk) 03:44, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
User_talk:Nrswanson#Unreferenced_BLPs - I haven't looked at any of the aliases. -- Guillaume Tell 11:43, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
Hey all. I made a page on Donizetti's L'ange de Nisida because it piqued my curiosity and has allowed me to further procrastinate Lucia. I am looking at Ashbrook's synopsis, and it is not divided into acts even though elsewhere in the book L'ange is claimed to be in four acts. How should I write the synopsis? Just glob it all together, or leave it out entirely? -- Andy Walsh (talk) 22:33, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
These immediately stood out (please add any others), for any wikignomes want to work on this. It usually takes about 5 minutes per article to provde a source. When/if, you've done one, please check it off with {{y}}. Voceditenore ( talk) 19:25, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
I've now added a second lot, all of whom are notable, and will keep this updated as other cases come to light. Some of them are tagged {{ refimprove}} rather than {{ BLP unsourced}} but they are so poorly sourced that it's only a matter of time before the latter tag will be added instead. The complete list of unsourced opera-related BLPs with indications of relative notability is here. Voceditenore ( talk) 11:21, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Articles now repaired
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Hello Wikiproject! Currently there is a discussion which will decide whether wikipedia will delete 49,000 articles about a living person without references, here:
Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Biographies of living people
Since biographies of living people covers so many topics, many wikiproject topics will be effected.
The two opposing positions which have the most support is:
Comments are welcome. Keep in mind that by default, editor's comments are hidden. Simply press edit next to the section to add your comment.
Please keep in mind that at this point, it seems that editors support deleting unreferenced BLP articles if they are not sourced, so your project may want to source these articles as soon as possible. See the next, message, which may help.
Tools to help your project with unreferenced Biographies of living people
|
---|
If you don't already have this and are interested in creating a list of articles which need cleanup for your wikiproject see: Cleanup listings A list of examples is here
If you are interested in moving unreferenced blp articles that your project covers, to a special "incubation page", contact me, User talk:Ikip
If you are interested in watchlisting all of the unreferenced articles once you install Cleanup_listings, contact me, User talk:Ikip Ikip 05:05, 26 January 2010 (UTC) |
With the manic BLP sourcing campaign, this has really slipped under the radar. If there are no suggestions I propose holding over the unfinished work from the January CoM and OoM. [3] Quite a lot was accomplished on those, but we could finish off the rest. Anyhow, other suggestions below, please... Voceditenore ( talk) 18:06, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
From WikiProject Opera:
There don't seem to be any fair use images in that article (two fair use audio snippets, though). Rl ( talk) 09:49, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
It can be found right here. GamerPro64 ( talk) 02:27, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Bayreuth canon is one of the current WP:Featured list candidates. Opera project members are welcome to comment.-- Peter cohen ( talk) 11:29, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
The various discography pages for major repertory works have recently become more and more complete and inclusive, which I think is great. My thought here is about proper credit for the company or entity responsible for creating the various recordings. Many of the older titles have long since been deleted by the company that made them and are available now on a variety of independent labels. My suggestion is that a separate column be added to the standard discography template to indicate the company that originally made the record. If the recording originated as a live broadcast or performance, that could be indicated here as well. The current label and catalog number column would continue to list the current or most recent version available and the format. Any thoughts? Thanks. Markhh ( talk) 21:42, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
If anyone has time, I'd appreciate comments here or on my Talk page on a list that I've started in my Gravelbox: List_of_operas_performed_at_the_Wexford_Festival. I'll be adding sources (WFO programmes and a couple of books). I'll also be de-redlinking operas and people with no WP articles.
A few questions have arisen which I'd like to settle before putting in the rest of the data:
After finishing this project, I have plans to create similar lists for Glyndebourne Festival Opera, Buxton Festival and Opera North, companies for which I also have complete data. -- Guillaume Tell 16:36, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Anyway, some comments:
The article on the borderline opera Twice Through the Heart is now a GA. My project related plans are currently the improvement of Blond Eckbert to GA, the creation of an article on Gavin Bryars' Dr Ox's Experiment and to return to working on Karl Ridderbusch and related discgraphy.-- Peter cohen ( talk) 20:10, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
There's a considerable brouhaha going on about several administrators who are mass-deleting all unreferenced BLPs: [5], [6], [7]. At first it was BLPs that had the tag since 2006, now they're deleting any article that hasn't been edited in 6 months. Judging by the response here, this will probably continue unabated and accelerate. So don't ignore warnings that an article you've created is an unreferenced BLP... if you want to keep it, that is. Note also that the bots and new page patrollers who are tagging these articles make a lot of mistakes, e.g. [8] or not noticing that the reliable source is actually in the External links section [9].
There's a list of unreferenced BLP opera articles here. Although note that the bot that produces it only runs about once a month, so there may be others. Worth checking to see if there are any you care about. I've added soources or removed inappropriate tags for some of them. Voceditenore ( talk) 16:35, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
Since the cleanup listings is a couple of months old I have taken the liberty to make an updated list based on articles tagged with {{ WikiProject Opera}} or are in a subcat of Category:Opera singers. The list is currently at User:Rettetast/Sandbox87. Copy, move, advertise or do whatever you want with the list. Ping me if you want it updated. Rettetast ( talk) 16:05, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Am I to understand that many of the deleted articles were never even tagged speedy/prod/xfd? Are creators/major contributors not informed, either? That's a bit heavy handed, if you ask me. At least with tags, even speedy, you get a certain amount of time to review and salvage and are often alerted if/when the article is finally deleted. Bot-mass-deletion simply creates a huge list of deleted articles without telling anyone where to find these lists—or even that they exist. Given the recent activity over at WP:CTM (my fault entirely), there is no doubt whatever that even unreferenced stub BLPs from 2003 can often relate to very notable subjects that have simply been forgotten about. The suggested sandboxing and relisting seem to be sensible methods to combat this purge, though. Thanks for the personal heads up about this Voceditenore. -- Jubilee♫ clipman 11:39, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Following the original mass-deletion, it is clear that the policy is going to be changed to allow, in fact require, the deletion of all unreferenced biographies of living persons. This has been endorsed by Jimmy Wales as well. [11]. The only question now is the mechanism and time-scale for it. The various proposals and discussion of them are underway at Requests for comment/Biographies of living people. An interim summary of the outcome is here Note that this will almost certainly be extended to bios which are so poorly and unreliably referenced that they are de facto unreferenced.
This has considerable implications for the OP as there are so many bios of living singers under our banner. In some senses this is a pain primarily because it's happening very quickly and I'm not completely confident that WikiProjects will be properly kept informed of the articles deleted or under threat, although I and others have made repeated requests for this at the RfC. But on the whole, I welcome the increased rigor and quality that will be demanded. It also means that we can get rid of many bios by wannabe opera stars and their agents that are clogging up the encyclopedia. We can also delete all unreferenced cruft from both fans and detractors in articles on sight. In the course of checking the unreferenced opera BLPs here, I've found everything from blatant adverts for totally non-notable singers to blatant copyvios to bizarre additions such as this. Voceditenore ( talk) 15:26, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
I've gone through the entire list at Wikipedia:WikiProject Opera/Unreferenced BLPs. I've completely removed several articles which were mis-categorized and repaired the cats. I've struck through the articles sourced as of 28 January. I've annotated each name in terms of their relative notability and have now added all the remaining clearly notable unsourced bios to the list below.
We started out with a list of 102 unsourced bios. As of 1 February there remain 42 unsourced of which 0 are for clearly notable people. All in all, I think we're in pretty good shape, and even if the remaining articles get deleted, at least we'll know which ones they are so that we can retrieve them. The exercise has also been useful for finding mis-categorized articles, copyvios, and highlighting some pretty clear non-notables for future PROD/AFD. Voceditenore ( talk) 09:57, 27 January 2010 (UTC) [last updated by Voceditenore ( talk) 14:06, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
For those of you aren't suffering from "discussion fatigue" yet, WikiProject Arts has a discussion on revising categories for 'creative works' – visual arts, music, literature etc.- Voceditenore ( talk) 08:15, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
In about a week's time I hope to start an expansion of this article, along the lines of Poppea last autumn. Comments/ help welcome as the article develops. Brianboulton ( talk) 23:43, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
For your information: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dawn Padmore. -- Vejvančický ( talk) 08:06, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
I was very surprised this page didn't exist, so I've made a start. If anyone has anything further, that would be really helpful almost- instinct 14:39, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
Hello wikiproject, I requested a bot which will update unreferenced living people (BLPs) daily. User talk:Betacommand is willing to create this bot. Since you already have a /Unreferenced BLPs page, this shows your project really cares about this issue.
I just need a list of projects who would like to test this bot. Please let me know here if your project would like to do this. Thank you. Okip (the new and improved Ikip) 19:25, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps someone with more experience than I can assist with this. Typing in "Ghosts of Versailles" redirects to the Moberly-Jourdain incident without even a disambiguation page reference back to the opera. As far as I am concerned, the search should redirect primarily to the opera with a disambiguation reference back to the time-slip incident known as Moberly-Jourdain. Theshoveljockey ( talk) 23:04, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Without the "The" you do go directly to the "incident" you mention. I think that is correctable. I'll try. Viva-Verdi ( talk) 23:37, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
I have made a disambiguation - -- Smerus ( talk) 04:57, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
I see that a new editor has just created this page without sources - its already had a BLP tag slapped on it. Could someone who knows the subject help him/her out? almost- instinct 16:41, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
Excuse my ignorance once again about technical matters, but I have noticed that there are two entries for the opera Victory over the Sun. The second and less consequential entry is located at Victory Over The Sun. Since I do not know how exactly to redirect the capitalization variations onto a single entry, can someone please assist in consolidating these two pages? Thank you. Theshoveljockey ( talk) 03:30, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Daniel_Dutton is about someone who had an opera performed by Kentucky Opera. It was reviewed by George Heymont under his Tessi Tura alter ego in the Bay Area Reporter. Judging by Heymont's profile he is in the B- or C-list of American opera critics. I'm tending towards keep, but someone who is more familiar with the American scene could better judge whether a production by KO and a review by GH/TT in BAR constitutes notability.-- Peter cohen ( talk) 12:22, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
Well, as I noted in the edit summary line: if we're considering keeping this article, at least let's make it LOOK better.... So, a few wiki links, a few external links, a few titles italicized achieves some of that. Whether it has any operatic significance is another matter.... Viva-Verdi ( talk) 21:20, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
This template has been created and mass added to all articles about Italian tenors. As I wrote at Template talk:Italian tenors:
I am removing this from every article it's been added to, until consensus is reached here. Voceditenore ( talk) 22:48, 14 February 2010 (UTC)