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Wikipedia is currently on a drive to delete non-free publicity images as well as album covers that are used simply to portray an artist. (See Talk here and this Resolution.) While an editor could write to the artist's agent to ask for permission, this is not only laborious, but unlikely to be fruitful since according to the new policy, they have to agree to the following:
I hereby assert that I am the creator and/or sole owner of the exclusive copyright of WORK [ insert link ].
I agree to publish that work under the free license LICENSE [choose at least one from http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Copyright_tags ].
I acknowledge that I grant anyone the right to use the work in a commercial product, and to modify it according to their needs.
I am aware that I always retain copyright of my work, and retain the right to be attributed in accordance with the license chosen. Modifications others make to the work will not be attributed to me.
I am aware that the free license only concerns copyright, and I reserve the option to take action against anyone who uses this work in a libelous way, or in violation of personality rights, trademark restrictions, etc.
I acknowledge that I cannot withdraw this agreement, and that the image may or may not be kept permanently on a Wikimedia project.
DATE, NAME OF THE COPYRIGHT HOLDER
Trying for 'fan photos' of decent quality is probably equally laborious and only marginally more likely to succeed. Nevertheless, most readers of these articles want to see what the singer actually looks like. I've tried this solution on a couple of pages - adding an external link in the opening paragraph to a portrait either on the web site of the artist's agent/recording company or the web site of the actual photographer. Here are two examples: Rockwell Blake and Juan Diego Flórez. Before I do any more like this, what does the Opera Project think? Voceditenore 15:24, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
If no one has any objections I would like to add Harolyn Blackwell to the list of contemporary opera singers and I would be interested in writing an article about her. I had the privledge of seeing her in two productions with Tulsa Opera and have been a fan ever sense. She has three different CDs out now that I love and has started to appear on several recent opera recordings. She is also one of the few opera singers who has had a sucsessful Broadway Carear as well. Interesting fact-She had the destinction of making her Met debut in the La Fille du Regiment by replacing Kathleen Battle when she was kicked out of the Met.
I've added some categories (based on the guidelines on our Project page and the article on Elizabeth Futral) and a DEFAULTSORT. I see that the Category:American sopranos contains some opera singers... And see also the article's talk page - I'm not sure that linking to the Met database is a good idea, because (AFAICS) one can't point to the exact page. -- GuillaumeTell 21:05, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Nrswanson, we don't delete messages here! That is never done! I have had to revert to an earlier version. Please add whatever you like but do not delete other people's messages. That's really important! -- Kleinzach 14:56, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Everything is archived. See above - we have 27 archive files. By all means summarize a discussion but leave all the messages where they are! Thank you. -- Kleinzach 15:16, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
With the caveat that journalists can also be sloppy about checking facts, on the whole, I find the best independent sources for contemporary singers tend to be mainstream press or journal articles. The Guardian (UK), The New York Times, The San Francisco Chronicle, The International Herald Tribune, and Time Magazine all have extensive archives that are largely free (except for certain NYT articles). To access their contents quickly, go to Google and type the following in the search box:
FindArticles.com is also useful, although some of their content is premium. (You can adjust the search to look for free content only) And another caveat - this time on the online version of Grove. A friend of mine who has a subscription found numerous factual errors in the entry for Juan Diego Flórez. Via googling, we found that they came from an older version of the Wikipedia article on Flórez! Best, Voceditenore 11:31, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
I am putting up frames for Mozart’s opera (7 so far, will finish all when I have free time). But it looks empty because there are many missing column including date of premiere / conductor/ original singers. I hope those who have Mozart’s details could add on the empty column. I do not have any of Mozart’s opera DVD or books.- Jay 13:05, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Are the following categories okay for the bot to run through tonight?
Please let me know on my talk page? Thanks!! -- SatyrTN ( talk | contribs) 17:29, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Need some help.. ‘Heldentenor’ is commonly used to describe the singers of leading roles in Wagner’s operas, also implies to a tenor voice of great weight, particularly strong in the middle and bottom of the voice. My question is, how do we “categorized” it? I would say Domingo is a Tenor drammatico and can also be categorized as Heldentenor too. What do you guys think? Does that mean we can add both "tenor" and "heldentenor" to his article? Ps- I am a bit confuse when come to Tenor Drammatico and Heldentenor. Can someone explain to me? Thanks - Jay 05:28, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
I got a bot-notification on one of the pages I regularly contribute to: Brown Grand Theatre -- an early 1900's opera house that is best described as an "old west opera house attempting to bring civilization to north central Kansas" ... in its own right, it truly is a magestic opera house and has been completely restored--but it's quite a ways off Broadway...
Anyway... How can the Brown Grand Theatre page support your project? Do you have a "standard layout" for physical buildings you'd like to see followed? Let me know! -- Paul McDonald 06:49, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Looking at Category:Operas under letter I or L, there are a lot of operas mis-sorted under definite/indefinite articles. These need default sort tags e.g. {{DEFAULTSORT:Clemenza di Tito, La}} which puts the opera under C instead of L. Does anyone have time to help do this?
BTW We now have 779 operas restored in Category:Operas. There are probably about 200 more to be found. I don't know if anyone would be willing to undertake, say, Rachmaninoff to Richard Strauss operas? -- Kleinzach 13:00, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
We are seeing more and more articles on marginally notable young singers. Here are two examples that have just been created: Paul Potts "a 36 year old resident of South Wales and a mobile phone salesman . . . has an apprenticeship with Gilbert and Sullivan in Bristol . . . has appeared on national and local television and radio", and David Lara "an emerging baritone . . . recently one of the 11 talented singers chosen to train with the Seattle Opera Young Artists Company". Should these pages be put up for deletion and if so what criteria should we use? (It's worth noting that these pages are increasingly sophisticated in the way they are presented.) -- Kleinzach 01:47, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Ooh, if there's one thing that really annoys me it's BrightYoungThing spam. Composers, performers, conductors, doesn't matter, they just assume they're notable, because, well, they're Bright Young Things, aren't they, dude?
Reminds me, one day we should take a crack at sorting out WP:MUSIC, which is ridiculously biased towards pop music, and does not cover classical music properly at all - the "Others" section is just not specific enough. It's not dreadful, but it should be better.
You can use the proposed deletion process - basically just add {{subst:prod|put reason here}} and an informative edit summary - for uncontroversial cases, or use AfD if the PROD tag is removed or for more tricky cases. Cheers, Moreschi Talk 18:03, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 25 | Archive 26 | Archive 27 | Archive 28 | Archive 29 | Archive 30 | → | Archive 35 |
Wikipedia is currently on a drive to delete non-free publicity images as well as album covers that are used simply to portray an artist. (See Talk here and this Resolution.) While an editor could write to the artist's agent to ask for permission, this is not only laborious, but unlikely to be fruitful since according to the new policy, they have to agree to the following:
I hereby assert that I am the creator and/or sole owner of the exclusive copyright of WORK [ insert link ].
I agree to publish that work under the free license LICENSE [choose at least one from http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Copyright_tags ].
I acknowledge that I grant anyone the right to use the work in a commercial product, and to modify it according to their needs.
I am aware that I always retain copyright of my work, and retain the right to be attributed in accordance with the license chosen. Modifications others make to the work will not be attributed to me.
I am aware that the free license only concerns copyright, and I reserve the option to take action against anyone who uses this work in a libelous way, or in violation of personality rights, trademark restrictions, etc.
I acknowledge that I cannot withdraw this agreement, and that the image may or may not be kept permanently on a Wikimedia project.
DATE, NAME OF THE COPYRIGHT HOLDER
Trying for 'fan photos' of decent quality is probably equally laborious and only marginally more likely to succeed. Nevertheless, most readers of these articles want to see what the singer actually looks like. I've tried this solution on a couple of pages - adding an external link in the opening paragraph to a portrait either on the web site of the artist's agent/recording company or the web site of the actual photographer. Here are two examples: Rockwell Blake and Juan Diego Flórez. Before I do any more like this, what does the Opera Project think? Voceditenore 15:24, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
If no one has any objections I would like to add Harolyn Blackwell to the list of contemporary opera singers and I would be interested in writing an article about her. I had the privledge of seeing her in two productions with Tulsa Opera and have been a fan ever sense. She has three different CDs out now that I love and has started to appear on several recent opera recordings. She is also one of the few opera singers who has had a sucsessful Broadway Carear as well. Interesting fact-She had the destinction of making her Met debut in the La Fille du Regiment by replacing Kathleen Battle when she was kicked out of the Met.
I've added some categories (based on the guidelines on our Project page and the article on Elizabeth Futral) and a DEFAULTSORT. I see that the Category:American sopranos contains some opera singers... And see also the article's talk page - I'm not sure that linking to the Met database is a good idea, because (AFAICS) one can't point to the exact page. -- GuillaumeTell 21:05, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Nrswanson, we don't delete messages here! That is never done! I have had to revert to an earlier version. Please add whatever you like but do not delete other people's messages. That's really important! -- Kleinzach 14:56, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Everything is archived. See above - we have 27 archive files. By all means summarize a discussion but leave all the messages where they are! Thank you. -- Kleinzach 15:16, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
With the caveat that journalists can also be sloppy about checking facts, on the whole, I find the best independent sources for contemporary singers tend to be mainstream press or journal articles. The Guardian (UK), The New York Times, The San Francisco Chronicle, The International Herald Tribune, and Time Magazine all have extensive archives that are largely free (except for certain NYT articles). To access their contents quickly, go to Google and type the following in the search box:
FindArticles.com is also useful, although some of their content is premium. (You can adjust the search to look for free content only) And another caveat - this time on the online version of Grove. A friend of mine who has a subscription found numerous factual errors in the entry for Juan Diego Flórez. Via googling, we found that they came from an older version of the Wikipedia article on Flórez! Best, Voceditenore 11:31, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
I am putting up frames for Mozart’s opera (7 so far, will finish all when I have free time). But it looks empty because there are many missing column including date of premiere / conductor/ original singers. I hope those who have Mozart’s details could add on the empty column. I do not have any of Mozart’s opera DVD or books.- Jay 13:05, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Are the following categories okay for the bot to run through tonight?
Please let me know on my talk page? Thanks!! -- SatyrTN ( talk | contribs) 17:29, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Need some help.. ‘Heldentenor’ is commonly used to describe the singers of leading roles in Wagner’s operas, also implies to a tenor voice of great weight, particularly strong in the middle and bottom of the voice. My question is, how do we “categorized” it? I would say Domingo is a Tenor drammatico and can also be categorized as Heldentenor too. What do you guys think? Does that mean we can add both "tenor" and "heldentenor" to his article? Ps- I am a bit confuse when come to Tenor Drammatico and Heldentenor. Can someone explain to me? Thanks - Jay 05:28, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
I got a bot-notification on one of the pages I regularly contribute to: Brown Grand Theatre -- an early 1900's opera house that is best described as an "old west opera house attempting to bring civilization to north central Kansas" ... in its own right, it truly is a magestic opera house and has been completely restored--but it's quite a ways off Broadway...
Anyway... How can the Brown Grand Theatre page support your project? Do you have a "standard layout" for physical buildings you'd like to see followed? Let me know! -- Paul McDonald 06:49, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Looking at Category:Operas under letter I or L, there are a lot of operas mis-sorted under definite/indefinite articles. These need default sort tags e.g. {{DEFAULTSORT:Clemenza di Tito, La}} which puts the opera under C instead of L. Does anyone have time to help do this?
BTW We now have 779 operas restored in Category:Operas. There are probably about 200 more to be found. I don't know if anyone would be willing to undertake, say, Rachmaninoff to Richard Strauss operas? -- Kleinzach 13:00, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
We are seeing more and more articles on marginally notable young singers. Here are two examples that have just been created: Paul Potts "a 36 year old resident of South Wales and a mobile phone salesman . . . has an apprenticeship with Gilbert and Sullivan in Bristol . . . has appeared on national and local television and radio", and David Lara "an emerging baritone . . . recently one of the 11 talented singers chosen to train with the Seattle Opera Young Artists Company". Should these pages be put up for deletion and if so what criteria should we use? (It's worth noting that these pages are increasingly sophisticated in the way they are presented.) -- Kleinzach 01:47, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Ooh, if there's one thing that really annoys me it's BrightYoungThing spam. Composers, performers, conductors, doesn't matter, they just assume they're notable, because, well, they're Bright Young Things, aren't they, dude?
Reminds me, one day we should take a crack at sorting out WP:MUSIC, which is ridiculously biased towards pop music, and does not cover classical music properly at all - the "Others" section is just not specific enough. It's not dreadful, but it should be better.
You can use the proposed deletion process - basically just add {{subst:prod|put reason here}} and an informative edit summary - for uncontroversial cases, or use AfD if the PROD tag is removed or for more tricky cases. Cheers, Moreschi Talk 18:03, 15 June 2007 (UTC)