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As a passerby who has looked at a number of different WikiProjects, can I make the observation that I think your main page is a bit too long? I'd suggest subpages. In particular, I'd suggest an Wikipedia:WikiProject Opera/Article Content page that has all the information about the content of articles (including titles), but not eg. the list of requested articles. This would include the following sections:
And possibly also:
This would make the main article significantly shorter and easier to deal with, and would probably make it easier to focus on what to do next.
-- TimNelson 09:44, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
I know this has been discussed before, but the main reason for previous opposition to the use of infoboxes seems to be aesthetically-based. If a new infobox template which was a little easier on the eyes was created, would people want to use it? I would personally be in favor of its use; infoboxes make it much easier to find basic info like composer, librettist, genre, premier, etc.. They seem to be a convention of popular music articles more than art music articles ( WP:MUSICAL uses them, but not WP:CM), but I think that's one area where we could take a hint from our popular music compatriots. -- Cielomobile talk / contribs 06:35, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
The statement of current consensus regarding infoboxes at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Composers#Lead_section is somewhat more straightforward and unambiguous than the one we have at WP:WPO#Infoboxes. Would anyone object to syncing them (mutatis mutandis)? Fireplace 22:01, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
Going back to Cielomobile's original point, which, though not stated in so many words, was about articles on operas and not about composers. The reason that infoboxes are inappropriate for articles on operas is that all the information that would be contained in the box ("basic info like composer, librettist, genre, premier, etc.") is normally contained in the first paragraph of the article. See, for example, Der Vampyr. An infobox alongside that para is a waste of space. An infobox instead of that para is going to make the article look rather odd. -- GuillaumeTell 00:26, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Most of the definitions of opera I see on WP seem to have been written from a non-opera, 'theatre' point of view. I wonder whether we should have an 'Opera Project' definition to roll out when necessary? Ideally one that doesn't represent opera as the ugly step-child of (normal, straight etc,) music and drama.
I have just put the following definition up on the (rather obscure?) List of basic opera topics. It was hastily written and perhaps other people can improve it or develop it?
Opera is one of the performing arts (alongside music, dance and drama), and its special character as an art form derives from combining elements of the others, combined with visual effects. Opera is invariably live and given in a specially-equipped opera house or theatre. It is normally (electronically) unamplified to order to feature the beauty of the natural voice. While the scale can be greater or smaller - there are many different genres of opera - performance typically involves different types of artists (singers, instrumentalists and often dancers and actors) and technical staff. Usually an orchestra led by a conductor accompanies the singers. In contrast to spoken theatre, the opera world is international. German, French, Italian and English works are performed world-wide in their original languages, and artists travel from country to country performing.
Edits? Comments? -- Kleinzach 00:41, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
As noticed by GuillaumeTell, User:Nrswanson has been adding text to a series of some 20-odd Verdi operas. I have checked Re Lear (an article about an opera never written). Falstaff and Aida and find that the text there has all been copied and pasted from Giuseppe Verdi, the official site [1]. In the case of Re Lear it comes from [2]. Given the scale of this activity (involving background sections, synopses and role lists) what is the best way of handling it? Is some kind of admin action needed? -- Kleinzach 01:39, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
I changed the format for roles (and changed “characters” to “roles”) for Verdi’s operas. There were in various formats before, so I chose one that I think looks good. You guys could change it to any format you like, but let’s standardize to one. The format I changed (below):-
I leave the format in I masnadieri and Il corsaro because they are in frame formats. All Puccini’s opera roles are using “frame format”, I think it looks better. - Jay 02:56, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
I have put the (newly created) page on Verdi's Re Lear up for deletion. This may be of interest so I'm noting it here. Thanks. -- Kleinzach 10:22, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
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As a passerby who has looked at a number of different WikiProjects, can I make the observation that I think your main page is a bit too long? I'd suggest subpages. In particular, I'd suggest an Wikipedia:WikiProject Opera/Article Content page that has all the information about the content of articles (including titles), but not eg. the list of requested articles. This would include the following sections:
And possibly also:
This would make the main article significantly shorter and easier to deal with, and would probably make it easier to focus on what to do next.
-- TimNelson 09:44, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
I know this has been discussed before, but the main reason for previous opposition to the use of infoboxes seems to be aesthetically-based. If a new infobox template which was a little easier on the eyes was created, would people want to use it? I would personally be in favor of its use; infoboxes make it much easier to find basic info like composer, librettist, genre, premier, etc.. They seem to be a convention of popular music articles more than art music articles ( WP:MUSICAL uses them, but not WP:CM), but I think that's one area where we could take a hint from our popular music compatriots. -- Cielomobile talk / contribs 06:35, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
The statement of current consensus regarding infoboxes at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Composers#Lead_section is somewhat more straightforward and unambiguous than the one we have at WP:WPO#Infoboxes. Would anyone object to syncing them (mutatis mutandis)? Fireplace 22:01, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
Going back to Cielomobile's original point, which, though not stated in so many words, was about articles on operas and not about composers. The reason that infoboxes are inappropriate for articles on operas is that all the information that would be contained in the box ("basic info like composer, librettist, genre, premier, etc.") is normally contained in the first paragraph of the article. See, for example, Der Vampyr. An infobox alongside that para is a waste of space. An infobox instead of that para is going to make the article look rather odd. -- GuillaumeTell 00:26, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Most of the definitions of opera I see on WP seem to have been written from a non-opera, 'theatre' point of view. I wonder whether we should have an 'Opera Project' definition to roll out when necessary? Ideally one that doesn't represent opera as the ugly step-child of (normal, straight etc,) music and drama.
I have just put the following definition up on the (rather obscure?) List of basic opera topics. It was hastily written and perhaps other people can improve it or develop it?
Opera is one of the performing arts (alongside music, dance and drama), and its special character as an art form derives from combining elements of the others, combined with visual effects. Opera is invariably live and given in a specially-equipped opera house or theatre. It is normally (electronically) unamplified to order to feature the beauty of the natural voice. While the scale can be greater or smaller - there are many different genres of opera - performance typically involves different types of artists (singers, instrumentalists and often dancers and actors) and technical staff. Usually an orchestra led by a conductor accompanies the singers. In contrast to spoken theatre, the opera world is international. German, French, Italian and English works are performed world-wide in their original languages, and artists travel from country to country performing.
Edits? Comments? -- Kleinzach 00:41, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
As noticed by GuillaumeTell, User:Nrswanson has been adding text to a series of some 20-odd Verdi operas. I have checked Re Lear (an article about an opera never written). Falstaff and Aida and find that the text there has all been copied and pasted from Giuseppe Verdi, the official site [1]. In the case of Re Lear it comes from [2]. Given the scale of this activity (involving background sections, synopses and role lists) what is the best way of handling it? Is some kind of admin action needed? -- Kleinzach 01:39, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
I changed the format for roles (and changed “characters” to “roles”) for Verdi’s operas. There were in various formats before, so I chose one that I think looks good. You guys could change it to any format you like, but let’s standardize to one. The format I changed (below):-
I leave the format in I masnadieri and Il corsaro because they are in frame formats. All Puccini’s opera roles are using “frame format”, I think it looks better. - Jay 02:56, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
I have put the (newly created) page on Verdi's Re Lear up for deletion. This may be of interest so I'm noting it here. Thanks. -- Kleinzach 10:22, 18 May 2007 (UTC)