This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 110 | ← | Archive 112 | Archive 113 | Archive 114 | Archive 115 | Archive 116 | → | Archive 120 |
This is rather far off-topic, but does anyone know, off-hand, which are the numbers in The Magic Flute which the chorus join in on? I've been invited to do it in translation, so I don't want to buy the score in case we just get given a translated one, but I've promised to do The Sorcerer already, and am trying to figure out if I have time for both.
My memory of seeing it a few times is that the chorus are just used in a couple scenes, but I know it's easy to forget something. Adam Cuerden ( talk) 17:16, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
I'm passing on the message below, posted by Kosboot at WikiProject Classical music. – Voceditenore ( talk) 17:13, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
I've tried out the second link Kosboot gave and it seems to work OK. Some of the journals have full text available. Others only the abstract of each article. Even so, that can be really helpful. All the journals on the index can be searched. Journals with full text available include:
Voceditenore ( talk) 17:13, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
PS If Kosboot's second link doesn't work, go to the first link and click on "free access" in:
Voceditenore ( talk) 07:05, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
We have no information, and nor does the web, it seems, on Jean Morère, who created the role of Don Carlos. Has anyone anything on him? Enough to make a page? almost- instinct 16:31, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
You know probably that I try to find a fact related to the day to put on top of this page. Some of the articles would profit from improvement. I plan to list those here, not starting a new section everytime.
-- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 07:52, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi Gerda, I've added her to the section at the very top of the page: Article creation and cleanup requests. It's better to list them all in one place, so editors can see them all at a glance. I never archive that section, although I periodically update it. So she'll stay there 'til she's fixed. Best, Voceditenore ( talk) 10:37, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
Getting back to the essential - but rather neglected in the present spate of discussions - issue of the quality of articles (rather than the quantity of their trappings), I noted the article Aria listed amongst the egregious selection of sogennanten 'vital articles', and was horrified to find a pile of utter tat. I have had a go at rewriting it, but this aspect of opera is not really my strong point, and it still needs much, much more, especially in the 19th and 20th centuries. Can anyone who knows take a look and do something please? Have no hesitation in scrubbing anaything I have done if you consider it inappropriate. -- Smerus ( talk) 14:38, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
Following up from my post a couple of months ago, I am delighted to let you know that the Royal Opera House will be hosting an editathon, focusing on the works of Sir Frederick Ashton, to be held on Saturday 22 June 2013. (It's turned out more ballet focused than opera, admittedly, but I'm sure you'd want to know regardless...)
The day will provisionally include some form of behind-the-scenes tour, though we're still working on organising the details. If you're interested, please sign up now and keep the date free - it'd be great to see you there! Andrew Gray ( talk) 00:03, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
This is under development at Template talk:Infobox opera. OP discussions leading up to it are archived in Archive 113. – Voceditenore ( talk) 17:57, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
I've added this to the project's Online Research Guide, but just a heads-up about a great source which I just discovered, but has been around for quite a while...
Voceditenore ( talk) 14:47, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
I was at my local Meetup this weekend where I got into a discussion with a WP administrator. In short, I espoused the opinion that creation of an article should have at least a paragraph's worth of information in addition to sources. This administrator, as one of those who is responsible for deleting AfDs, felt that (assuming notability) all an article needs is a sentence and source to justify creation. I'm wondering how the project feels about this issue. -- kosboot ( talk) 17:28, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
Apologies for posting this in two places, but it seems that this may bridge the ground between opera and oratorio so I'd like to raise the subject here as well:
I've just stumbled across 'Oratorio erotico' in es:WP and wanted to know more. Google search tells me that it's an established genre, being mentioned in numerous books in various languages, including the Oxford Companion to Music.
What was the relationship of oratorio erotico and opera? With its emphasis on the sensual and the worldly, is it an unstaged opera in all but name? (a way of avoiding the "no opera in Lent" rule, perhaps?) Scarabocchio ( talk) 12:16, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
See Template:Aeneid, Template:Odyssey navbox and Template:Iliad navbox. The latter does not appear to have any significant operas, but you guys may know of some I have missed.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 17:35, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
This one is very short, but have a look: {{ The Pirates of Penzance}}.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 07:22, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
An IP has suggested that there are some possible inaccuracies in the synopsis. See Talk:Alcina. I'm unfamiliar with the opera, but if any of you are, could you check this out? Best, Voceditenore ( talk) 06:50, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
File:Tino Pattiera - Tino Pattiera.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.76.126 ( talk) 00:51, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure what should or could be done about it, but currently our page on The Fairy-Queen reads more like Counter-tenor propaganda than anything else almost- instinct 09:32, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
It's about time to get ready for a festival. Tristan and Isolde has a nice passage about the fact that Wagner called this work not "Oper" but "Handlung":
Parsifal has a similar passage:
I miss an equivalent for The Ring, to be linked from the Main page tomorrow, and its parts, which Wagner termed "Bühnenfestspiel", as this list knows (which offers "Consecrated stage festival play" for Parsifal, a bit better). -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 16:50, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
Is there a reason why this opera article is La buona figliuola? Shouldn't it be moved to La Cecchina, ossia La buona figliuola, or just to La Cecchina, leaving 'La buona figliuola' as a redirect? I see there are recordings under both titles. I also note that La Cecchina is presently a redirect page saying that the words also refer to Francesca Caccini, although this seems spurious as there is no mention of this nickname in her article as far as I can see, or in Grove.-- Smerus ( talk) 05:32, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
Ah, Grove. I'm getting a little disillusioned with them after their recent series of whoppers. :) Anyhow, there are tons of reliable sources saying that she was called "La Cecchinia". Piccinni's had so many different titles, I suspect because impresarios just called it what they thought would get the punters into the theatre in that town. Almanacco Amadeus lists zillions. So every printed souvenir libretto is going to have a different title. We could title it La Cecchina (Piccinni), or simply "La Cecchina" and cover the issue with a hatnote: "For the singer known as "La Cecchina" see Francesca Caccini. You normally don't need a DAB page for only two uses. My own hunch (borne out by Google) is that most people typing in "La Cecchina" are looking for the Piccinni opera [1]. - Voceditenore ( talk) 12:54, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
Well, OK, I propose to move it to 'La Cecchina' with hat note as sugested by VDT, and redirects everywhere else; and to change the first sentence along the lines proposed by RA - any objections?-- Smerus ( talk) 13:29, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
Someone's just created an article on Lina Abarbanell (soprano) - can an admin move this page to Lina Abarbanell, over the existing redirect, please? – Roscelese ( talk ⋅ contribs) 02:06, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
I vespri Siciliani (the Italian version of the opera) has recently been created as a separate article from Les vêpres siciliennes (the original French version). However, it needs to be moved to I vespri siciliani (correct capitalisation of the title). That page is currently a re-direct to Les vêpres siciliennes, and needs an admin to move the new article to that title over the redirect. Once done, we also need to change the Verdi navboxes and to change redirect page I Vespri Siciliani to redirect to I vespri siciliani, and make sure that the links to the various redirects in other articles are going where they're supposed to be going. Voceditenore ( talk) 10:48, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
Voceditenore ( talk) 17:46, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
Johann Hugo von Wilderer was created as a stub (with some hidden text) as a red link from a Bach article. He created several operas, room for expansion? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 22:57, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
Howdy. In the article for Peri's Euridice, there is a picture of Peri in dress. It's stated that this is Peri dressed to perform the title role of his opera. A few things about this: firstly, it's not necessarily a picture of Peri; this was a costume design drawing, not a painting. It may well have been made before anybody was cast for the role. Secondly, the drawing has nothing to do with Euridice. It was made for Intermedio 5 of La Pellegrina, for the role of Arion (which Peri did indeed play). This was in 1589, not 1600.
Since the drawing may or may not be of Peri, and has absolutely nothing to do with Euridice, I suggest it be removed from this article.
Cheers Alastair
<email redacted>— Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.184.95 ( talk) 11:56, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi Alastair, I've hidden your email address from spammers. There are various views on what the image depicts, but most sources I've seen, e.g. The Grove Book of Opera Singers and The Medici Wedding of 1589: Florentine Festival As Theatrum Mundi give the description as Peri in the role of Arion, and give Buontalenti as the artist. I've removed it from the article and replaced it with the image of the Prologue from further down. Euridice (Peri) is actually in a pretty dire state with poor referencing. I just corrected a whopper which stated that Peri sang the title role! I corrected it to Orfeo, which can be referenced, but I haven't the time to do it now. Voceditenore ( talk) 14:52, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
Nice work all, this is a great improvement. Cheers Alastair — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.184.95 ( talk • contribs) 20:46, 10 July 2013
Esmeralda is an opera by Arthur Goring Thomas based on Victor Hugo's "Notre Dame de Paris". It was commissioned and first produced by Carl Rosa Opera Company in 1883. See: [3] The opera was given in 1890 at Covent Garden, with a cast led by Nellie Melba and Jean de Reszke, singing in French translation. It also was produced at the Metropolitan Opera House in 1900: [4]
Plot summary and some other info here: [5]
Does anyone want to put up an article on this? Note that an 1836 opera on the same theme, " La Esmeralda", has a Wikipedia article. All the best, -- Ssilvers ( talk) 20:54, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
For Gerhard Faulstich, two operas are missing, both have an entry in German. Help welcome ;) -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 21:56, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Mostly, we cover the opera house and the company in the same article. But there is a lot of variation. Sometimes the article is named for the theatre, e.g. La Fenice, and sometimes for the company, e.g. Hamburg State Opera. On the other hand, Metropolitan Opera is about the company with summary information about its opera houses over the years, each of which has its own article. The Royal Opera House had several companies associated with it historically. There is a separate article for its own company The Royal Opera which was founded after WW II. De Nederlandse Opera has used a couple of theatres during their history. There are separate articles for those: Het Muziektheater and Stadsschouwburg (Amsterdam). In this case, I'd be inclined to cover the company in the same article as the house, Opernhaus Wuppertal. Voceditenore ( talk) 13:56, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
The Opernhaus Wuppertal is known for premieres and revivals of rarely performed works, - there are three red links for operas to tempt you, -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 21:38, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
Yvonne: I added roles. Unfamiliar with the correct terms for jobs serving the Royals, I left some untranslated, hoping for help. For Kammerherr, I get Chamberlain (office), but that seems not right. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 15:45, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
In the context: please look at Gormenghast (opera) (and history), for "genre" in the infobox, -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 16:50, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Well, according to The Operas of Benjamin Britten: Expression and Evasion they are operas but it goes on to say: "The renewed collaboration between Britten and the librettist of Gloriana was to produce a trilogy of works - Curlew River, The Burning Fiery Furnace and The Prodigal Son - and to lead to the creation of a new genre, the 'church parable'." I'd have to read the whole book, but the implication is that "church parable" is an opera sub-genre like opera buffa. See also A Short History of Opera: "The latter provided a model for a set of three one-act operas with all-male casts, designed for church performance: Curlew River (1964), modeled upon [...]". Thus Curlew River should begin: "Curlew River is an opera (church parable) in one act composed by Benjamin Britten to an English-language libretto by William Plomer. Blah blah blah..." It's actually a pretty badly written article at the moment and needs a lot of work. Voceditenore ( talk) 10:38, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for your improvements. Schillertheater NRW (an organsation, not a theatre) was a merge of Wuppertal ad Gelsenkirchen that lasted only 1999 to 2000 [6]. Our closest article is Musiktheater im Revier. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 07:12, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
David Gamrekeli, singer: As David Gamrekeli was the singing pedagogue of the opera singer Igor Morozov at the Tchaikovsky-Conservatory in Moscow, he must have worked there.. but unfortunately I don't have any documents about this fact and I only know the fact. Angelika-Ditha ( talk) 10:17, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
I saw the date of the premiere of Robert Bruce (opera) was given as 23 December 1846 in the article La donna del lago citing Richard Osborne's 2007 edition of Rossini. Several other sources I checked give 30 December as the date of the premiere. After changing Robert Bruce (opera) to 23 December, based on Richard Osborne 2007 book, which does indeed have 23 December, I decided to check Le Ménestrel (see vol. 14, no, 4 (27 December 1846)). This seems to say the premiere was postponed to the following Wednesday (i.e., the 30th) because Rosine Stoltz was indisposed. My French is hardly perfect. Can someone else who can read French check whether this is correct? Thanks for help! -- Robert.Allen ( talk) 03:42, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
Can a kind admin please move Category:Opera Cycle (singular, upper case) to Category:Opera cycles (plural, lower case). Thanks. -- Jack of Oz [Talk] 00:02, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
The discussion is at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Annagul Annakuliyeva. - Voceditenore ( talk) 13:01, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Did you know that...... the (only) members of WikiProject Quality Article Improvement are:
-- Smerus ( talk) 20:33, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
Smerus, your tone of this post comes across as clear attempt at intimidation aimed at shutting down all opposition and implies you are making some sort of vague request for sanctions. Are you somehow implying that people who attempt to improve the encyclopedia - and who have joined a team and openly admit it - are somehow a suspect cabal to be punished? I find your approach to be an inappropriate attempt at intimidation. I request that you apologize for this threatening tone. Montanabw (talk) 22:04, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
Did you know.... that User:Gerda Arendt has initiated a page under the 'Quality Article Improvement' project staking out proposed insertions of infoboxes, to include Falstaff (opera), Fatinitza, Das Liebesverbot, and many others, including Götterdämmerung, Don Carlos, Rigoletto and Don Carlos?.....-- Smerus ( talk) 09:05, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
@Montanabw. I am not bullying anyone. I have not asked or demanded anything of a soul in this thread, save to aak our friend Pumpkin to answer Folantin's questions. You however seem to be attempting to threaten me with something; it is not clear what, but you'll be glad to hear I am not shuddering. Nor can I be bothered to suggest to you more apporpiate behaviour. I should however be glad to understand from you - in your straightforward, amiable, Montana manner - what standard(s) I have, in your opinion, breached. Thanks. -- Smerus ( talk) 22:17, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
You know that you are wrong: I had encouraged nothing. I had told that user that I might be banned if I inserted an infobox in the TFA, as people now try to ban Andy because he did that more than a year ago. The user's conclusion was his own. - Needless to say, I liked it, -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 15:35, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
I wonder if WP:QAI has ever considered whether its infobox pushing doesn't in fact discourage other editors from improving articles. They've certainly succeeded in diverting a lot of Project Opera's time and energy away from content creation. I'd really never consider an FA Candidacy for my articles because I know that a long, tiresome discussion with leading members of WP:QAI eager to push an infobox on them will be awaiting me at the end of the process. -- Folantin ( talk) 09:05, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
Not sure your point. Smerus bullied Gerda and Andy across multiple articles and talk pages, Rigoletto being one of many. I've lost track of it all. You're also discussing all this at the Arbcaom case, so it makes sense to consolidate it all there. Montanabw (talk) 20:27, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 110 | ← | Archive 112 | Archive 113 | Archive 114 | Archive 115 | Archive 116 | → | Archive 120 |
This is rather far off-topic, but does anyone know, off-hand, which are the numbers in The Magic Flute which the chorus join in on? I've been invited to do it in translation, so I don't want to buy the score in case we just get given a translated one, but I've promised to do The Sorcerer already, and am trying to figure out if I have time for both.
My memory of seeing it a few times is that the chorus are just used in a couple scenes, but I know it's easy to forget something. Adam Cuerden ( talk) 17:16, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
I'm passing on the message below, posted by Kosboot at WikiProject Classical music. – Voceditenore ( talk) 17:13, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
I've tried out the second link Kosboot gave and it seems to work OK. Some of the journals have full text available. Others only the abstract of each article. Even so, that can be really helpful. All the journals on the index can be searched. Journals with full text available include:
Voceditenore ( talk) 17:13, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
PS If Kosboot's second link doesn't work, go to the first link and click on "free access" in:
Voceditenore ( talk) 07:05, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
We have no information, and nor does the web, it seems, on Jean Morère, who created the role of Don Carlos. Has anyone anything on him? Enough to make a page? almost- instinct 16:31, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
You know probably that I try to find a fact related to the day to put on top of this page. Some of the articles would profit from improvement. I plan to list those here, not starting a new section everytime.
-- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 07:52, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi Gerda, I've added her to the section at the very top of the page: Article creation and cleanup requests. It's better to list them all in one place, so editors can see them all at a glance. I never archive that section, although I periodically update it. So she'll stay there 'til she's fixed. Best, Voceditenore ( talk) 10:37, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
Getting back to the essential - but rather neglected in the present spate of discussions - issue of the quality of articles (rather than the quantity of their trappings), I noted the article Aria listed amongst the egregious selection of sogennanten 'vital articles', and was horrified to find a pile of utter tat. I have had a go at rewriting it, but this aspect of opera is not really my strong point, and it still needs much, much more, especially in the 19th and 20th centuries. Can anyone who knows take a look and do something please? Have no hesitation in scrubbing anaything I have done if you consider it inappropriate. -- Smerus ( talk) 14:38, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
Following up from my post a couple of months ago, I am delighted to let you know that the Royal Opera House will be hosting an editathon, focusing on the works of Sir Frederick Ashton, to be held on Saturday 22 June 2013. (It's turned out more ballet focused than opera, admittedly, but I'm sure you'd want to know regardless...)
The day will provisionally include some form of behind-the-scenes tour, though we're still working on organising the details. If you're interested, please sign up now and keep the date free - it'd be great to see you there! Andrew Gray ( talk) 00:03, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
This is under development at Template talk:Infobox opera. OP discussions leading up to it are archived in Archive 113. – Voceditenore ( talk) 17:57, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
I've added this to the project's Online Research Guide, but just a heads-up about a great source which I just discovered, but has been around for quite a while...
Voceditenore ( talk) 14:47, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
I was at my local Meetup this weekend where I got into a discussion with a WP administrator. In short, I espoused the opinion that creation of an article should have at least a paragraph's worth of information in addition to sources. This administrator, as one of those who is responsible for deleting AfDs, felt that (assuming notability) all an article needs is a sentence and source to justify creation. I'm wondering how the project feels about this issue. -- kosboot ( talk) 17:28, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
Apologies for posting this in two places, but it seems that this may bridge the ground between opera and oratorio so I'd like to raise the subject here as well:
I've just stumbled across 'Oratorio erotico' in es:WP and wanted to know more. Google search tells me that it's an established genre, being mentioned in numerous books in various languages, including the Oxford Companion to Music.
What was the relationship of oratorio erotico and opera? With its emphasis on the sensual and the worldly, is it an unstaged opera in all but name? (a way of avoiding the "no opera in Lent" rule, perhaps?) Scarabocchio ( talk) 12:16, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
See Template:Aeneid, Template:Odyssey navbox and Template:Iliad navbox. The latter does not appear to have any significant operas, but you guys may know of some I have missed.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 17:35, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
This one is very short, but have a look: {{ The Pirates of Penzance}}.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 07:22, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
An IP has suggested that there are some possible inaccuracies in the synopsis. See Talk:Alcina. I'm unfamiliar with the opera, but if any of you are, could you check this out? Best, Voceditenore ( talk) 06:50, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
File:Tino Pattiera - Tino Pattiera.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.76.126 ( talk) 00:51, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure what should or could be done about it, but currently our page on The Fairy-Queen reads more like Counter-tenor propaganda than anything else almost- instinct 09:32, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
It's about time to get ready for a festival. Tristan and Isolde has a nice passage about the fact that Wagner called this work not "Oper" but "Handlung":
Parsifal has a similar passage:
I miss an equivalent for The Ring, to be linked from the Main page tomorrow, and its parts, which Wagner termed "Bühnenfestspiel", as this list knows (which offers "Consecrated stage festival play" for Parsifal, a bit better). -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 16:50, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
Is there a reason why this opera article is La buona figliuola? Shouldn't it be moved to La Cecchina, ossia La buona figliuola, or just to La Cecchina, leaving 'La buona figliuola' as a redirect? I see there are recordings under both titles. I also note that La Cecchina is presently a redirect page saying that the words also refer to Francesca Caccini, although this seems spurious as there is no mention of this nickname in her article as far as I can see, or in Grove.-- Smerus ( talk) 05:32, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
Ah, Grove. I'm getting a little disillusioned with them after their recent series of whoppers. :) Anyhow, there are tons of reliable sources saying that she was called "La Cecchinia". Piccinni's had so many different titles, I suspect because impresarios just called it what they thought would get the punters into the theatre in that town. Almanacco Amadeus lists zillions. So every printed souvenir libretto is going to have a different title. We could title it La Cecchina (Piccinni), or simply "La Cecchina" and cover the issue with a hatnote: "For the singer known as "La Cecchina" see Francesca Caccini. You normally don't need a DAB page for only two uses. My own hunch (borne out by Google) is that most people typing in "La Cecchina" are looking for the Piccinni opera [1]. - Voceditenore ( talk) 12:54, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
Well, OK, I propose to move it to 'La Cecchina' with hat note as sugested by VDT, and redirects everywhere else; and to change the first sentence along the lines proposed by RA - any objections?-- Smerus ( talk) 13:29, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
Someone's just created an article on Lina Abarbanell (soprano) - can an admin move this page to Lina Abarbanell, over the existing redirect, please? – Roscelese ( talk ⋅ contribs) 02:06, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
I vespri Siciliani (the Italian version of the opera) has recently been created as a separate article from Les vêpres siciliennes (the original French version). However, it needs to be moved to I vespri siciliani (correct capitalisation of the title). That page is currently a re-direct to Les vêpres siciliennes, and needs an admin to move the new article to that title over the redirect. Once done, we also need to change the Verdi navboxes and to change redirect page I Vespri Siciliani to redirect to I vespri siciliani, and make sure that the links to the various redirects in other articles are going where they're supposed to be going. Voceditenore ( talk) 10:48, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
Voceditenore ( talk) 17:46, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
Johann Hugo von Wilderer was created as a stub (with some hidden text) as a red link from a Bach article. He created several operas, room for expansion? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 22:57, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
Howdy. In the article for Peri's Euridice, there is a picture of Peri in dress. It's stated that this is Peri dressed to perform the title role of his opera. A few things about this: firstly, it's not necessarily a picture of Peri; this was a costume design drawing, not a painting. It may well have been made before anybody was cast for the role. Secondly, the drawing has nothing to do with Euridice. It was made for Intermedio 5 of La Pellegrina, for the role of Arion (which Peri did indeed play). This was in 1589, not 1600.
Since the drawing may or may not be of Peri, and has absolutely nothing to do with Euridice, I suggest it be removed from this article.
Cheers Alastair
<email redacted>— Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.184.95 ( talk) 11:56, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi Alastair, I've hidden your email address from spammers. There are various views on what the image depicts, but most sources I've seen, e.g. The Grove Book of Opera Singers and The Medici Wedding of 1589: Florentine Festival As Theatrum Mundi give the description as Peri in the role of Arion, and give Buontalenti as the artist. I've removed it from the article and replaced it with the image of the Prologue from further down. Euridice (Peri) is actually in a pretty dire state with poor referencing. I just corrected a whopper which stated that Peri sang the title role! I corrected it to Orfeo, which can be referenced, but I haven't the time to do it now. Voceditenore ( talk) 14:52, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
Nice work all, this is a great improvement. Cheers Alastair — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.184.95 ( talk • contribs) 20:46, 10 July 2013
Esmeralda is an opera by Arthur Goring Thomas based on Victor Hugo's "Notre Dame de Paris". It was commissioned and first produced by Carl Rosa Opera Company in 1883. See: [3] The opera was given in 1890 at Covent Garden, with a cast led by Nellie Melba and Jean de Reszke, singing in French translation. It also was produced at the Metropolitan Opera House in 1900: [4]
Plot summary and some other info here: [5]
Does anyone want to put up an article on this? Note that an 1836 opera on the same theme, " La Esmeralda", has a Wikipedia article. All the best, -- Ssilvers ( talk) 20:54, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
For Gerhard Faulstich, two operas are missing, both have an entry in German. Help welcome ;) -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 21:56, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Mostly, we cover the opera house and the company in the same article. But there is a lot of variation. Sometimes the article is named for the theatre, e.g. La Fenice, and sometimes for the company, e.g. Hamburg State Opera. On the other hand, Metropolitan Opera is about the company with summary information about its opera houses over the years, each of which has its own article. The Royal Opera House had several companies associated with it historically. There is a separate article for its own company The Royal Opera which was founded after WW II. De Nederlandse Opera has used a couple of theatres during their history. There are separate articles for those: Het Muziektheater and Stadsschouwburg (Amsterdam). In this case, I'd be inclined to cover the company in the same article as the house, Opernhaus Wuppertal. Voceditenore ( talk) 13:56, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
The Opernhaus Wuppertal is known for premieres and revivals of rarely performed works, - there are three red links for operas to tempt you, -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 21:38, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
Yvonne: I added roles. Unfamiliar with the correct terms for jobs serving the Royals, I left some untranslated, hoping for help. For Kammerherr, I get Chamberlain (office), but that seems not right. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 15:45, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
In the context: please look at Gormenghast (opera) (and history), for "genre" in the infobox, -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 16:50, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Well, according to The Operas of Benjamin Britten: Expression and Evasion they are operas but it goes on to say: "The renewed collaboration between Britten and the librettist of Gloriana was to produce a trilogy of works - Curlew River, The Burning Fiery Furnace and The Prodigal Son - and to lead to the creation of a new genre, the 'church parable'." I'd have to read the whole book, but the implication is that "church parable" is an opera sub-genre like opera buffa. See also A Short History of Opera: "The latter provided a model for a set of three one-act operas with all-male casts, designed for church performance: Curlew River (1964), modeled upon [...]". Thus Curlew River should begin: "Curlew River is an opera (church parable) in one act composed by Benjamin Britten to an English-language libretto by William Plomer. Blah blah blah..." It's actually a pretty badly written article at the moment and needs a lot of work. Voceditenore ( talk) 10:38, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for your improvements. Schillertheater NRW (an organsation, not a theatre) was a merge of Wuppertal ad Gelsenkirchen that lasted only 1999 to 2000 [6]. Our closest article is Musiktheater im Revier. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 07:12, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
David Gamrekeli, singer: As David Gamrekeli was the singing pedagogue of the opera singer Igor Morozov at the Tchaikovsky-Conservatory in Moscow, he must have worked there.. but unfortunately I don't have any documents about this fact and I only know the fact. Angelika-Ditha ( talk) 10:17, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
I saw the date of the premiere of Robert Bruce (opera) was given as 23 December 1846 in the article La donna del lago citing Richard Osborne's 2007 edition of Rossini. Several other sources I checked give 30 December as the date of the premiere. After changing Robert Bruce (opera) to 23 December, based on Richard Osborne 2007 book, which does indeed have 23 December, I decided to check Le Ménestrel (see vol. 14, no, 4 (27 December 1846)). This seems to say the premiere was postponed to the following Wednesday (i.e., the 30th) because Rosine Stoltz was indisposed. My French is hardly perfect. Can someone else who can read French check whether this is correct? Thanks for help! -- Robert.Allen ( talk) 03:42, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
Can a kind admin please move Category:Opera Cycle (singular, upper case) to Category:Opera cycles (plural, lower case). Thanks. -- Jack of Oz [Talk] 00:02, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
The discussion is at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Annagul Annakuliyeva. - Voceditenore ( talk) 13:01, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Did you know that...... the (only) members of WikiProject Quality Article Improvement are:
-- Smerus ( talk) 20:33, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
Smerus, your tone of this post comes across as clear attempt at intimidation aimed at shutting down all opposition and implies you are making some sort of vague request for sanctions. Are you somehow implying that people who attempt to improve the encyclopedia - and who have joined a team and openly admit it - are somehow a suspect cabal to be punished? I find your approach to be an inappropriate attempt at intimidation. I request that you apologize for this threatening tone. Montanabw (talk) 22:04, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
Did you know.... that User:Gerda Arendt has initiated a page under the 'Quality Article Improvement' project staking out proposed insertions of infoboxes, to include Falstaff (opera), Fatinitza, Das Liebesverbot, and many others, including Götterdämmerung, Don Carlos, Rigoletto and Don Carlos?.....-- Smerus ( talk) 09:05, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
@Montanabw. I am not bullying anyone. I have not asked or demanded anything of a soul in this thread, save to aak our friend Pumpkin to answer Folantin's questions. You however seem to be attempting to threaten me with something; it is not clear what, but you'll be glad to hear I am not shuddering. Nor can I be bothered to suggest to you more apporpiate behaviour. I should however be glad to understand from you - in your straightforward, amiable, Montana manner - what standard(s) I have, in your opinion, breached. Thanks. -- Smerus ( talk) 22:17, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
You know that you are wrong: I had encouraged nothing. I had told that user that I might be banned if I inserted an infobox in the TFA, as people now try to ban Andy because he did that more than a year ago. The user's conclusion was his own. - Needless to say, I liked it, -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 15:35, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
I wonder if WP:QAI has ever considered whether its infobox pushing doesn't in fact discourage other editors from improving articles. They've certainly succeeded in diverting a lot of Project Opera's time and energy away from content creation. I'd really never consider an FA Candidacy for my articles because I know that a long, tiresome discussion with leading members of WP:QAI eager to push an infobox on them will be awaiting me at the end of the process. -- Folantin ( talk) 09:05, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
Not sure your point. Smerus bullied Gerda and Andy across multiple articles and talk pages, Rigoletto being one of many. I've lost track of it all. You're also discussing all this at the Arbcaom case, so it makes sense to consolidate it all there. Montanabw (talk) 20:27, 7 August 2013 (UTC)