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Hello. I have been considering getting the Metropolitan Opera article to GA/FA status. The discussion is at Talk:Metropolitan Opera#GA/FA?. Input, comments, opinions or ideas from project members would be very much appreciated. Thanks, Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 04:53, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
It seems to me that this article is now the subject of a major "conflict of interest" issue. Regards. 81.83.142.142 ( talk) 22:11, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
I've just knocked up an article on Radio opera, plus (rather laboriously and over a long period of time) List of radio operas. The sorting of the latter seems to work OK but I'm not sure that I've got all the refs right. All assistance, comments, brickbats, etc., gratefully received. I was wondering whether it might perhaps turn into a Featured List at some point? -- Guillaume Tell 17:43, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
An IP has been stubbornly adding and re-adding pirate recordings to the discographies and red-linking the brands e.g. Premiere Opera, and in the process completely messing up the tables. They are also insisting on adding Bocelli's recordings to the main articles on these operas and attempting to hijack existing references for the purpose [5]. I've already reverted them twice with lengthy edit summaries, but to no avail. Voceditenore ( talk) 10:16, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
I got my free subscription to Questia and it's proving really useful. Lots of reference books on opera. You can still apply for round 2 of the free subscriptions at Wikipedia:Questia.
You can browse and search to see what they have even without a subscription here. - Voceditenore ( talk) 13:24, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
Spontini was suggested for a future Composer of the month. We could use him or hold him over til next month and use Michael Balfe. There are several more of his operas which have sources available but no articles. And October 21st marks the 150th anniversary of the premiere of Balfe's Blanche de Nevers. Thoughts?
For Operas of the Month we could do some radio operas, following GuillaumeTell's brilliant creation of List of radio operas. Perhaps create or expand articles for some of the operas or composers on it. I'd need some advice on which ones are most needed/important. Thoughts?
Voceditenore ( talk) 18:02, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
Recently created AfC about opera director Francisco Negrín. It's really a good first-effort and I think could do with some touching-up and editorial TLC by interested WikiProject Opera members. Thanks, Shearonink ( talk) 20:04, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
Per our conversation above, I have started a list of television operas article. If anyone cares to help improve it, please do. The list is currently very US/Canada/UK oriented. There surely must have been operas made for television in other parts of the world, but most sources in English seem to focus on English speaking countries. 4meter4 ( talk) 15:39, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
I'm currently trying to cleanup the Adina article. Two items need citations:
Also needed are details on it's performance history since the revival in 1963. I'm currently engaged in trying to put together a synopsis. Graham1973 ( talk) 13:55, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
I did not know Giovanni Battista Ferrandini, nor about the opening of the theater now named after its architect. The fact is not mentioned in the theater article, why? If I had time I would look myself ;) -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 08:20, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
Do we need a policy on the numerous "franchises" by the above user which have started cluttering up the end of opera articles? Quite a few of them are more or less identical with our navboxes and may also include other information that already appears in the articles' leads. An example is:
Plenty more here, plus some dialogue yesterday between TTT and User:Ssilvers here. -- Guillaume Tell 21:25, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
Although a search for 'La rondine' takes you directly to the page about Puccini's opera, a search for 'rondine' takes you, via a redirect, to a page about the printing company Nebiolo Printech (Rondine is a typeface the company developed). Do you think we could remove the redirect and turn Rondine into a disambiguation page with links to the opera and the printing company? It seems likely that more people would be searching for the opera than the typeface. OperaBalletRose ( talk) 10:29, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
Some editors are now trying to get this toward FA status (with a view to the bicentenary next year). The article has been substantially gone over and there are numeorus comments on the talk page. Additional comments warmly welcomed if anyone is in the mood.-- Smerus ( talk) 19:11, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
After getting back from Wexford on Friday, I bluelinked some recent redlinks added to the List of operas performed at the Wexford Festival (and wondered whether to delete the 2013 tba operas added at the bottom by, I assume, Wexford staff). Now I have just discovered that User:Frisbeeralf has bluelinked Jessica Muirhead in the List to her personal Twitter account. Eeek! Do we really want this? Is there a WP guideline on this sort of thing? I envisage utter chaos if not. I'm off to bed now but all comments are welcome. -- Guillaume Tell 00:49, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Re the 2013 "tba" performances, I have removed them to Talk:List of operas performed at the Wexford Festival with an explanation. As I explained there, the article is a list of past performances, not a schedule for future events or an alternate website for the Wexford Festival, which incidentally doesn't even list them yet. In general, I don't think it's appropriate to list future performances in any articles, even for rarely performed operas, unless the scheduling of the opera has received coverage in reliable secondary sources, i.e. press coverage—not simply the company's website. It turns encyclopedia articles into magazine articles and encourages opera companies to use WP articles for box office publicity. I must remove that kind of stuff at least a couple of times a month. Voceditenore ( talk) 07:47, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
file:Zhhenitba sound sample.mid has been nominated for deletion -- 70.24.186.245 ( talk) 07:36, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
Hello there. Is it possible that you could add a link to “La fanciulla del West” libretto? Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_fanciulla_del_West Libretto: http://www.murashev.com/opera/La_fanciulla_del_West_libretto_Italian Unfortunately, I can't add links to my own website, but I was told that you can do it for me. Thank you. -- Murashev ( talk) 11:36, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
Could you please add line-by-line Italian-English libretto to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_clemenza_di_Tito http://www.murashev.com/opera/La_clemenza_di_Tito_libretto_Italian_English -- Murashev ( talk) 10:30, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
Line-by-line Italian-English libretto to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Il_turco_in_Italia : http://www.murashev.com/opera/Il_turco_in_Italia_libretto_Italian_English Thank you! -- Murashev ( talk) 20:31, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
Could you please add two line-by-line librettos which also are very thirst by opera lovers? “Don Giovanni”, Italian-English: http://www.murashev.com/opera/Don_Giovanni_libretto_Italian_English and “Carmen”, French-English: http://www.murashev.com/opera/Carmen_libretto_French_English Thank you! -- Murashev ( talk) 18:35, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
This article claims that 'In actuality the opera was largely written by Verstovsky's friend Gioacchino Rossini, based on Verstovsky's ideas, for a fee that was intended to cover Rossini's card debts' and gives as justification a reference to a book published in Russian in New York in 1956 - which is rather difficult to check on. Can there be any justification for this claim, which would seem to be rather far-fetched? Rossini was pretty wealthy by 1828 and had no need to write other people's stuff.....-- Smerus ( talk) 20:02, 14 November 2012 (UTC).
Curious - I've actually found Arbatsky's book in PDF (in Russian) on the internet - on pp. 231-2 he claims that he has seen 'extensive correspondence' between Verstovsky and Rossini and that V. paid R. 5089 roubles for polishing up V.'s own ideas for 'Askold', which R. needed for a gambling debt. No source given for the correspondence, but Arbatsky adds that V. was cautious enough to request all his letters back when paying R. So - not quite as the article has it - but even though Arbatsky was serious enough fellow, and his account appears circumstantial, the whole thing seems distinctly odd....-- Smerus ( talk) 07:32, 15 November 2012 (UTC).
that the red link turn blue in
Thank you for the year correction ;) - I was dreaming of Peace music, -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 10:18, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
HighBeam Research [11] -- an online, pay-for-use search engine for newspapers, magazines, academic journals, newswires, trade magazines and encyclopedias has agreed to give free, full-access, 1-year accounts for up to 1000 Wikipedia editors to use. HighBeam has access to over 80 million articles from 6,500 publications, most of which are not available for free elsewhere on the internet. Aside from a free 7-day trial (credit card required), access to HighBeam would cost $30 per month or $200 per year for the first year and $300 for subsequent years, so this is a wonderful, free, no-strings-attached opportunity. To qualify, editors must have at least a 1 year-old account with 1000 edits. Please add your name to the WP:HighBeam/Applications account sign-up page if you are interested. -- Vejvančický ( talk | contribs) 14:59, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
Not one of my better efforts, but I've been hanging on to this so long I wanted to get it out of the way. -- kosboot ( talk) 06:04, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
Hello. I am planning to contribute and expand upon the Benjamin Britten article with the intent of making it an FA. The ultimate goal is to get this as a TFA on 22 November 2013, the centennial of Britten's birth. The discussion can be found at Talk:Benjamin Britten#FA push. Input from project members would be very much appreciated. Thanks, Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 04:36, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
In addition to making Benjamin Britten an FA, I am also going to make Krzysztof Penderecki an FA with the goal of making it a TFA on 23 November 2013, the composer's 80th anniversary of his birth. The discussion is at Talk:Krzysztof Penderecki#FA push?. Input from project members would be very much appreciated. Thanks, Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 01:17, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
Hi. Can anyone perhaps help with providing the conductor and cast for this, the first "complete" opera recording? In ictu oculi ( talk) 03:12, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
A few questions related to the DYK above on Samson et Dalila - and I really did not know ;)
I don't want to make a mess by changing and perhaps moving, but ask to consider this ;) -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 13:18, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
Some idiot has hacked out random portions of Opera Lyra Ottawa in two edits. I can see how to undo one edit, but what is the approved way of taking out two? Scarabocchio ( talk) 11:08, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
José Cura is 50 today, needs a better, more factual article, -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 12:03, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
Given Richard Conrad's relevance to the history of the bel canto tradition in the 20th century, I've created a bit of an article.
His own website contains far more detail than any other sources I've been able to track down. But the site contains at least one outright and easily disproved untruth - a claimed "world premiere" of Arthur Sullivan's opera Ivanhoe (which had no less than 161 performances in its debut season in 1891) - so I've been very sparing in my use of it.
There are various mentions of him on opera chat sites and the like, but I doubt any of them qualify as reliable sources for our purposes. If anyone can come up with some more independently sourced material, that would be great. -- Jack of Oz [Talk] 00:59, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 105 | ← | Archive 108 | Archive 109 | Archive 110 | Archive 111 | Archive 112 | → | Archive 115 |
Hello. I have been considering getting the Metropolitan Opera article to GA/FA status. The discussion is at Talk:Metropolitan Opera#GA/FA?. Input, comments, opinions or ideas from project members would be very much appreciated. Thanks, Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 04:53, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
It seems to me that this article is now the subject of a major "conflict of interest" issue. Regards. 81.83.142.142 ( talk) 22:11, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
I've just knocked up an article on Radio opera, plus (rather laboriously and over a long period of time) List of radio operas. The sorting of the latter seems to work OK but I'm not sure that I've got all the refs right. All assistance, comments, brickbats, etc., gratefully received. I was wondering whether it might perhaps turn into a Featured List at some point? -- Guillaume Tell 17:43, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
An IP has been stubbornly adding and re-adding pirate recordings to the discographies and red-linking the brands e.g. Premiere Opera, and in the process completely messing up the tables. They are also insisting on adding Bocelli's recordings to the main articles on these operas and attempting to hijack existing references for the purpose [5]. I've already reverted them twice with lengthy edit summaries, but to no avail. Voceditenore ( talk) 10:16, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
I got my free subscription to Questia and it's proving really useful. Lots of reference books on opera. You can still apply for round 2 of the free subscriptions at Wikipedia:Questia.
You can browse and search to see what they have even without a subscription here. - Voceditenore ( talk) 13:24, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
Spontini was suggested for a future Composer of the month. We could use him or hold him over til next month and use Michael Balfe. There are several more of his operas which have sources available but no articles. And October 21st marks the 150th anniversary of the premiere of Balfe's Blanche de Nevers. Thoughts?
For Operas of the Month we could do some radio operas, following GuillaumeTell's brilliant creation of List of radio operas. Perhaps create or expand articles for some of the operas or composers on it. I'd need some advice on which ones are most needed/important. Thoughts?
Voceditenore ( talk) 18:02, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
Recently created AfC about opera director Francisco Negrín. It's really a good first-effort and I think could do with some touching-up and editorial TLC by interested WikiProject Opera members. Thanks, Shearonink ( talk) 20:04, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
Per our conversation above, I have started a list of television operas article. If anyone cares to help improve it, please do. The list is currently very US/Canada/UK oriented. There surely must have been operas made for television in other parts of the world, but most sources in English seem to focus on English speaking countries. 4meter4 ( talk) 15:39, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
I'm currently trying to cleanup the Adina article. Two items need citations:
Also needed are details on it's performance history since the revival in 1963. I'm currently engaged in trying to put together a synopsis. Graham1973 ( talk) 13:55, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
I did not know Giovanni Battista Ferrandini, nor about the opening of the theater now named after its architect. The fact is not mentioned in the theater article, why? If I had time I would look myself ;) -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 08:20, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
Do we need a policy on the numerous "franchises" by the above user which have started cluttering up the end of opera articles? Quite a few of them are more or less identical with our navboxes and may also include other information that already appears in the articles' leads. An example is:
Plenty more here, plus some dialogue yesterday between TTT and User:Ssilvers here. -- Guillaume Tell 21:25, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
Although a search for 'La rondine' takes you directly to the page about Puccini's opera, a search for 'rondine' takes you, via a redirect, to a page about the printing company Nebiolo Printech (Rondine is a typeface the company developed). Do you think we could remove the redirect and turn Rondine into a disambiguation page with links to the opera and the printing company? It seems likely that more people would be searching for the opera than the typeface. OperaBalletRose ( talk) 10:29, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
Some editors are now trying to get this toward FA status (with a view to the bicentenary next year). The article has been substantially gone over and there are numeorus comments on the talk page. Additional comments warmly welcomed if anyone is in the mood.-- Smerus ( talk) 19:11, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
After getting back from Wexford on Friday, I bluelinked some recent redlinks added to the List of operas performed at the Wexford Festival (and wondered whether to delete the 2013 tba operas added at the bottom by, I assume, Wexford staff). Now I have just discovered that User:Frisbeeralf has bluelinked Jessica Muirhead in the List to her personal Twitter account. Eeek! Do we really want this? Is there a WP guideline on this sort of thing? I envisage utter chaos if not. I'm off to bed now but all comments are welcome. -- Guillaume Tell 00:49, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Re the 2013 "tba" performances, I have removed them to Talk:List of operas performed at the Wexford Festival with an explanation. As I explained there, the article is a list of past performances, not a schedule for future events or an alternate website for the Wexford Festival, which incidentally doesn't even list them yet. In general, I don't think it's appropriate to list future performances in any articles, even for rarely performed operas, unless the scheduling of the opera has received coverage in reliable secondary sources, i.e. press coverage—not simply the company's website. It turns encyclopedia articles into magazine articles and encourages opera companies to use WP articles for box office publicity. I must remove that kind of stuff at least a couple of times a month. Voceditenore ( talk) 07:47, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
file:Zhhenitba sound sample.mid has been nominated for deletion -- 70.24.186.245 ( talk) 07:36, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
Hello there. Is it possible that you could add a link to “La fanciulla del West” libretto? Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_fanciulla_del_West Libretto: http://www.murashev.com/opera/La_fanciulla_del_West_libretto_Italian Unfortunately, I can't add links to my own website, but I was told that you can do it for me. Thank you. -- Murashev ( talk) 11:36, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
Could you please add line-by-line Italian-English libretto to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_clemenza_di_Tito http://www.murashev.com/opera/La_clemenza_di_Tito_libretto_Italian_English -- Murashev ( talk) 10:30, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
Line-by-line Italian-English libretto to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Il_turco_in_Italia : http://www.murashev.com/opera/Il_turco_in_Italia_libretto_Italian_English Thank you! -- Murashev ( talk) 20:31, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
Could you please add two line-by-line librettos which also are very thirst by opera lovers? “Don Giovanni”, Italian-English: http://www.murashev.com/opera/Don_Giovanni_libretto_Italian_English and “Carmen”, French-English: http://www.murashev.com/opera/Carmen_libretto_French_English Thank you! -- Murashev ( talk) 18:35, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
This article claims that 'In actuality the opera was largely written by Verstovsky's friend Gioacchino Rossini, based on Verstovsky's ideas, for a fee that was intended to cover Rossini's card debts' and gives as justification a reference to a book published in Russian in New York in 1956 - which is rather difficult to check on. Can there be any justification for this claim, which would seem to be rather far-fetched? Rossini was pretty wealthy by 1828 and had no need to write other people's stuff.....-- Smerus ( talk) 20:02, 14 November 2012 (UTC).
Curious - I've actually found Arbatsky's book in PDF (in Russian) on the internet - on pp. 231-2 he claims that he has seen 'extensive correspondence' between Verstovsky and Rossini and that V. paid R. 5089 roubles for polishing up V.'s own ideas for 'Askold', which R. needed for a gambling debt. No source given for the correspondence, but Arbatsky adds that V. was cautious enough to request all his letters back when paying R. So - not quite as the article has it - but even though Arbatsky was serious enough fellow, and his account appears circumstantial, the whole thing seems distinctly odd....-- Smerus ( talk) 07:32, 15 November 2012 (UTC).
that the red link turn blue in
Thank you for the year correction ;) - I was dreaming of Peace music, -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 10:18, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
HighBeam Research [11] -- an online, pay-for-use search engine for newspapers, magazines, academic journals, newswires, trade magazines and encyclopedias has agreed to give free, full-access, 1-year accounts for up to 1000 Wikipedia editors to use. HighBeam has access to over 80 million articles from 6,500 publications, most of which are not available for free elsewhere on the internet. Aside from a free 7-day trial (credit card required), access to HighBeam would cost $30 per month or $200 per year for the first year and $300 for subsequent years, so this is a wonderful, free, no-strings-attached opportunity. To qualify, editors must have at least a 1 year-old account with 1000 edits. Please add your name to the WP:HighBeam/Applications account sign-up page if you are interested. -- Vejvančický ( talk | contribs) 14:59, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
Not one of my better efforts, but I've been hanging on to this so long I wanted to get it out of the way. -- kosboot ( talk) 06:04, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
Hello. I am planning to contribute and expand upon the Benjamin Britten article with the intent of making it an FA. The ultimate goal is to get this as a TFA on 22 November 2013, the centennial of Britten's birth. The discussion can be found at Talk:Benjamin Britten#FA push. Input from project members would be very much appreciated. Thanks, Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 04:36, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
In addition to making Benjamin Britten an FA, I am also going to make Krzysztof Penderecki an FA with the goal of making it a TFA on 23 November 2013, the composer's 80th anniversary of his birth. The discussion is at Talk:Krzysztof Penderecki#FA push?. Input from project members would be very much appreciated. Thanks, Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 01:17, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
Hi. Can anyone perhaps help with providing the conductor and cast for this, the first "complete" opera recording? In ictu oculi ( talk) 03:12, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
A few questions related to the DYK above on Samson et Dalila - and I really did not know ;)
I don't want to make a mess by changing and perhaps moving, but ask to consider this ;) -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 13:18, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
Some idiot has hacked out random portions of Opera Lyra Ottawa in two edits. I can see how to undo one edit, but what is the approved way of taking out two? Scarabocchio ( talk) 11:08, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
José Cura is 50 today, needs a better, more factual article, -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 12:03, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
Given Richard Conrad's relevance to the history of the bel canto tradition in the 20th century, I've created a bit of an article.
His own website contains far more detail than any other sources I've been able to track down. But the site contains at least one outright and easily disproved untruth - a claimed "world premiere" of Arthur Sullivan's opera Ivanhoe (which had no less than 161 performances in its debut season in 1891) - so I've been very sparing in my use of it.
There are various mentions of him on opera chat sites and the like, but I doubt any of them qualify as reliable sources for our purposes. If anyone can come up with some more independently sourced material, that would be great. -- Jack of Oz [Talk] 00:59, 16 December 2012 (UTC)