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Voceditenore ( talk) 21:29, 26 August 2010 (UTC) Updated Voceditenore ( talk) 07:45, 22 September 2010 (UTC) / Michael Bednarek ( talk) 09:59, 22 September 2010 (UTC) Voceditenore ( talk) 05:58, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Gianni Schicchi is now a Featured Article candidate. Members may wish to participate in the discussion at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Gianni Schicchi/archive1. Best, Voceditenore ( talk) 07:59, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
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Kudpung (
talk)
10:19, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
I noticed that
Argolin (
talk ·
contribs) recently added the banner {{
WikiProject Canada}} for the
WikiProject Canadian music to a lot of articles which already had the banner {{
WikiProject Opera}}. Doing so, s/he added the parameter |needs-infobox=yes
to that banner, which to me seems to contradict
Wikipedia:WikiProject Opera#Infoboxes. Here are two typical edits of that editing sequence:
one for
Nancy Argenta,
another for
Jon Vickers. There are currently 82 articles listed at
Category:Opera articles needing infoboxes. Does the project want to modify the banner on all those articles, should the editor be asked to revert the addition of this parameter, or should the parameter be removed from the banner itself, thus depopulating that category? --
Michael Bednarek (
talk)
11:01, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
This article is up for deletion. It was obviously created by a non-English speaker. I'm not sure if it is worth rescuing or not. The singer does list some notable roles and claims to have sung at the Arena di Verona Festival. Best. 4meter4 ( talk) 06:08, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure what sort of brief descriptions I expected from the List_of_major_opera_composers. A couple of sentences justifying their notability, names of a few key works, ... perhaps something to pick out the top three or five most significant composers in the list? If I was going to summarise the significance and impact of Verdi in three lines, one of them would not have been: Mocked by critics during his lifetime and even today as melodramatic, Verdi's operas today dominate the world's stages.
I immediately assumed vandalism, and was about to improve that first phrase out of existence, but (if I am reading the history log correctly) the entry has been like that since at least 2006(!). This minority viewpoint is strongly at odds with general opinion, and I feel that the inclusion of this phrasing reflects badly on WP.
A sweep of one-line summaries of Verdi in random books on my shelves yields: Italian composer, by common consent recognized as the greatest Italian musical dramatist (Grove); actually, I shall stop there, as this so strongly contradicts the WP entry. I'll shortly take that phrase out of the list, but I'd like to know why it was there in the first place, and for so long ... Scarabocchio ( talk) 13:46, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
User:Neddyseagoon has recently created several new sub-categories for Category:Countertenors, none of which I think are useful. He has created Category:Countertenors by nationality and then several sub-cats of that. He has also made the odd choice of doing sub-categories of individual nationalities; for example Category:Belgian countertenors has the sub-cat Category:Belgian operatic countertenors. Since nearly all countertenors with sufficient notability for a wikipedia article sing opera this seems rather silly. Of more concern is the changes to the opera singer category scheme. We have the cats for opera singers by voice type and opera singers by nationalilty but not a combo of the two. Are we now going to have a ton of new opera cats? (ie Category:Italian operatic sopranos, Category:French operatic tenors, etc.) I don't think this is necessary. The system we have is a good one and I see no reason to make these sort of additions. What all do you think? 4meter4 ( talk) 14:38, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
This unreferenced blp article on a notable conductor is up for speedy deletion. It is worth rescuing if someone cares to do so. Cheers. 4meter4 ( talk) 08:48, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
I'm tempted to hold the January CoM and OoM over for another month (replacing Tutti in maschera (now created) in CoM with another opera, perhaps for Thea Musgrave (another "orphaned" composer). Any other suggestions? Voceditenore ( talk) 09:48, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
The role tables are a bit of a mish-mash between what is written in the original libretto/score and modern performance practice. Neither the terms mezzo-soprano or baritone existed then and were always specified as soprano (or contralto) and bass. This is especially true of The Marriage of Figaro, The Barber of Seville, and Così fan tutte. We have a very determined edit-warring IP who keeps to changing these but of course, adds no references. I've now added some, but I personally think we need to clarify what we do in cases of operas that were composed before the mezzo/baritone voice categories existed and actually clarify the difference between the original libretto descriptions and performance practice in a prose paragraph under the role table, referenced to reliable sources. Comments? (I've left a message on the IP's talk page to join the dicussion here). Voceditenore ( talk) 10:14, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
There are two issues here. One is inconsistency in the current role tables themselves. The other is how best to convey information about modern performance practice to the reader and hopefully inhibit random people monkeying around with the role tables.
1. The terms "baritone" and "mezzo-soprano" did not exist in the days of Mozart and Rossini, and will not be found in the original scores. Women's roles were labelled were either "contralto" or "soprano". Men's were either "bass" or "tenor". In reality, many of the "sopranos", based on contemporary decriptions of their voices and on their repertoire, were what would be called mezzos today. Likewise, some of the tenors had voices closer to today's baritone, as did many basses. So if we keep to the original descriptions in these operas, then terms like "baritone" and "mezzo-soprano" should be removed from the role tables. The original specification for Count Almaviva was "bass", ditto the title role of Don Giovanni, Guglielmo in Così, Figaro in The Barber of Seville, etc. Dorabella in Così was '"soprano", as was Zulma in L'italiana and Marcellina in Marriage of Figaro (all currently listed in the role tables as "mezzo-soprano"). Malcom in La donna del lago was simply "contralto" (the role table for this one currently says "contralto or mezzo-soprano")
2. If they're operas (especially frequently performed ones) where today such roles are normally assigned to mezzos/baritones, the passing reader is going to be surprised, assume it's an error, not read the footnote, and "fix" it. In those cases I think it's better to have a prose paragraph before the role table explaining that these were the original designations but what casting practice is now and why, referenced to a reliable source including page number. Often times the same reference can be used for multiple operas.
My 2¢ which turned out to be $2 ;-) Voceditenore ( talk) 13:04, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
This article has already been deleted once through a PROD but was re-created. It may not be notable, and if so, should be nominated for an AFD. 4meter4 ( talk) 15:01, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Talking so much about original role tables of The Marriage of Figaro, isn't it about time to give the opera its original title Le nozze di Figaro, considering that major opera houses worldwide produce it in Italian? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 09:33, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
See the section Spurious "Performance history" additions on Talk:L'Orfeo. I have now twice reverted this spectacularly unhelpful Italian IP ( 79.39.119.34). Voceditenore ( talk) 10:47, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
Year | Cast (Faust, Mephistopheles, Marguerite) |
Conductor, Opera House and Orchestra |
Label |
---|---|---|---|
1979 |
José Carreras, Justino Diaz, Katia Ricciarelli |
Herbert von Karajan, Berlin Philharmonic, Berlin State Opera Chorus, Paris Opera Chorus |
Audio CD: Deutsche Grammophon, Cat: 578 3374 |
It looks to me as if this user is either a joker who is just playing around, or someone who has some sort of grudge, or a journalist who wants to show what rubbish can stay undetected in Wikipedia. An indefinite block seems to be called for. -- Guillaume Tell 16:47, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
OK, it's quite obvious it's a troll now. This [2] is its response to the discussion. We should ask an admin to deal with the IP. -- Folantin ( talk) 11:58, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
This article is being discussed for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Hancock-Child. Voceditenore ( talk) 19:04, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
'Kim wrote six full operas in two years, "all of which are better than any in the history of music," according to his official biography'. ( Daily Telegraph 31.1.2011). Does this qualify him for the project? -- Smerus ( talk) 07:24, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Connected to above, an example: I read in the local paper in German about Christiane Kohl in 2011: "danach die Contessa in „Figaros Hochzeit“ in Klagenfurt und anschließend „Die verkaufte Braut“ an der Komischen Oper in Berlin – und dann geht es wieder nach Bayreuth für den Sommer." (ref 2) I put that now, as requested above, as "The Countess in Le nozze di Figaro". But then I wonder about Mařenka in the same sentence (started not by me). Even more I wonder how a reader not familiar with the topic will make the connection from Figaros Hochzeit to the opera, Mozart not being mentioned.? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 10:15, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
User:Brianboulton has recently done an excellent job improving the article on Handel's Rinaldo in time for the opera's 300th anniversary 2 1/2 weeks from now. It would be great to get this promoted to FA in time for a mainpage feature on 24 February. In order to do this, the article needs reviewers at Wikipedia:Peer review/Rinaldo (opera)/archive1. It would be great if project members could comment there in the next couple days. Best. 4meter4 ( talk) 16:43, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Background here. As soon as his block expired, he started in again at Verdi Requiem discography. While he was blocked, he turned his attentions to the hapless Italian Wikipedia with these bizarre additions to it:Messa di requiem (Verdi). I'll ask Antandrus for advice. In the meantime, I suggest we check Special:Contributions/79.39.119.34 on a daily basis. Voceditenore ( talk) 11:52, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Someone has nominated Template:Rossini operas for deletion on the grounds that the old horizontal one ( Template:Rossini operas (horizontal)) which I had created when we were discussing possible new formats is "better". I strongly opposed the deletion and have pointed out at the discussion that this is one of 180 vertical operas by composer navboxes, and that by consensus here it was preferred to the horizontal format. If other members would like to add their input, the deletion discussion is here – Voceditenore ( talk) 08:34, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
An anonymous editor has replaced all the character names with their equivalents from the French libretto used at the first production. Previously the article used the names as normally found in English and US productions and recordings. It seems to me that either we should have the title of the article in English (on the basis of this being the way the opera is normaly referred to in English-speaking countries), and hence have the names in their English equivalents (with their French renderings perhaps in brackets)- or, we should move the opera to 'L'amour des trois oranges' and leave the characters' names in French (with their English renderings perhaps in brackets). I prefer the first of these options - (otherwise there could also be a case for listing all the Russian names.....) Just to complicate matters I will remind you that the first production, in French, used a translation of Prokofiev's adaption of a libretto proposed by Meyerhold which involved translation from Italian into Russian of elements of Gozzi's original play. Opinions please?-- Smerus ( talk) 13:48, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Hello all. I have an idea, originally for WikiProject Free Music, but posted here since the project seems quite inactive.
I was thinking that an admirable (but extremely challenging) goal for WikiProject Classical Music would be to work with the Free Music project to attain basically the same goal Musopen is shooting for - free recordings of all public domain music. However, to achieve this goal, it would be helpful to have a listing of current progress toward this goal, perhaps with tables for each composer, a listing of all their compositions, and the status on recorded versions of those compositions. This would allow the teams to see what exactly has been recorded by every composer and how much they need to get that composer's complete works available. The list here seems useful for cataloging a bunch of songs, but not as a tool to tell what music is available and what isn't by each composer. So I made a small mockup of this idea in my sandbox here. The meat of the idea is in the Layout section. Would it be a worthwhile endeavor to set up a page with this idea in place, but with a range of composers and all their compositions? I ask because doing so would be a fair amount of work that could be wasted if people don't find the idea useful.
Note that I also brought this up on another user's page and WikiProject Classical Music's talk page.
Thanks in advance,
atallcostsky talk 04:21, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
The Marriage of Figaro accepted as the title of the article, I would like to know how to describe the singing in German of Die Hochzeit des Figaro, thinking of all the great singers in German opera tradition until singers traveled internationally and the subtitles came up. (This could also be said about French, Swedish ...). To mention the English title in any way seems not appropriate to me in such a case. Suggestion: She sang the part of the "Gräfin" (Contessa) in Mozart's Die Hochzeit des Figaro. Or Countess? Contessa doesn't appear in the article other than in the quote. (Btw: "Contessa's" would sound more melodic than "Countess'".) - Once the voice parts are so carefully restored to authenticity, shouldn't the roles match? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 08:20, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
La boheme in London is nominated for the Oliver Award for Best New Opera Production: http://www.olivierawards.com/nominations/view/item114062/Best-New-Opera-Production/ -- Ssilvers ( talk) 23:10, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Handel's Rinaldo has just been promoted to Featured Article. Many congratulations and multiple thank-you's (yet again!) to Brian Boulton who managed to bring this start class article to featured status in three weeks, and just in time for the 300th anniversary of its premiere. Thanks too to all who helped and especially 4meter4 whose idea it was try for FA status in time for the anniversary. I've updated Portal:Opera to add it to the rotation and also added the anniversary to the "In this month" section. Voceditenore ( talk) 12:46, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 95 | ← | Archive 98 | Archive 99 | Archive 100 | Archive 101 | Archive 102 | → | Archive 105 |
For members' information...
Closed:
Closed but interesting discussion on the relevant weight of WikiProject Guidelines vs Wikipedia site-wide style guidelines:
Another closed (but rather inconclusive) discussion:
Voceditenore ( talk) 21:29, 26 August 2010 (UTC) Updated Voceditenore ( talk) 07:45, 22 September 2010 (UTC) / Michael Bednarek ( talk) 09:59, 22 September 2010 (UTC) Voceditenore ( talk) 05:58, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Gianni Schicchi is now a Featured Article candidate. Members may wish to participate in the discussion at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Gianni Schicchi/archive1. Best, Voceditenore ( talk) 07:59, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
The article West Sussex Opera has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.
You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}}
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Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}}
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deletion processes exist. The
speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and
articles for deletion allows discussion to reach
consensus for deletion.
Kudpung (
talk)
10:19, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
I noticed that
Argolin (
talk ·
contribs) recently added the banner {{
WikiProject Canada}} for the
WikiProject Canadian music to a lot of articles which already had the banner {{
WikiProject Opera}}. Doing so, s/he added the parameter |needs-infobox=yes
to that banner, which to me seems to contradict
Wikipedia:WikiProject Opera#Infoboxes. Here are two typical edits of that editing sequence:
one for
Nancy Argenta,
another for
Jon Vickers. There are currently 82 articles listed at
Category:Opera articles needing infoboxes. Does the project want to modify the banner on all those articles, should the editor be asked to revert the addition of this parameter, or should the parameter be removed from the banner itself, thus depopulating that category? --
Michael Bednarek (
talk)
11:01, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
This article is up for deletion. It was obviously created by a non-English speaker. I'm not sure if it is worth rescuing or not. The singer does list some notable roles and claims to have sung at the Arena di Verona Festival. Best. 4meter4 ( talk) 06:08, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure what sort of brief descriptions I expected from the List_of_major_opera_composers. A couple of sentences justifying their notability, names of a few key works, ... perhaps something to pick out the top three or five most significant composers in the list? If I was going to summarise the significance and impact of Verdi in three lines, one of them would not have been: Mocked by critics during his lifetime and even today as melodramatic, Verdi's operas today dominate the world's stages.
I immediately assumed vandalism, and was about to improve that first phrase out of existence, but (if I am reading the history log correctly) the entry has been like that since at least 2006(!). This minority viewpoint is strongly at odds with general opinion, and I feel that the inclusion of this phrasing reflects badly on WP.
A sweep of one-line summaries of Verdi in random books on my shelves yields: Italian composer, by common consent recognized as the greatest Italian musical dramatist (Grove); actually, I shall stop there, as this so strongly contradicts the WP entry. I'll shortly take that phrase out of the list, but I'd like to know why it was there in the first place, and for so long ... Scarabocchio ( talk) 13:46, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
User:Neddyseagoon has recently created several new sub-categories for Category:Countertenors, none of which I think are useful. He has created Category:Countertenors by nationality and then several sub-cats of that. He has also made the odd choice of doing sub-categories of individual nationalities; for example Category:Belgian countertenors has the sub-cat Category:Belgian operatic countertenors. Since nearly all countertenors with sufficient notability for a wikipedia article sing opera this seems rather silly. Of more concern is the changes to the opera singer category scheme. We have the cats for opera singers by voice type and opera singers by nationalilty but not a combo of the two. Are we now going to have a ton of new opera cats? (ie Category:Italian operatic sopranos, Category:French operatic tenors, etc.) I don't think this is necessary. The system we have is a good one and I see no reason to make these sort of additions. What all do you think? 4meter4 ( talk) 14:38, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
This unreferenced blp article on a notable conductor is up for speedy deletion. It is worth rescuing if someone cares to do so. Cheers. 4meter4 ( talk) 08:48, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
I'm tempted to hold the January CoM and OoM over for another month (replacing Tutti in maschera (now created) in CoM with another opera, perhaps for Thea Musgrave (another "orphaned" composer). Any other suggestions? Voceditenore ( talk) 09:48, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
The role tables are a bit of a mish-mash between what is written in the original libretto/score and modern performance practice. Neither the terms mezzo-soprano or baritone existed then and were always specified as soprano (or contralto) and bass. This is especially true of The Marriage of Figaro, The Barber of Seville, and Così fan tutte. We have a very determined edit-warring IP who keeps to changing these but of course, adds no references. I've now added some, but I personally think we need to clarify what we do in cases of operas that were composed before the mezzo/baritone voice categories existed and actually clarify the difference between the original libretto descriptions and performance practice in a prose paragraph under the role table, referenced to reliable sources. Comments? (I've left a message on the IP's talk page to join the dicussion here). Voceditenore ( talk) 10:14, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
There are two issues here. One is inconsistency in the current role tables themselves. The other is how best to convey information about modern performance practice to the reader and hopefully inhibit random people monkeying around with the role tables.
1. The terms "baritone" and "mezzo-soprano" did not exist in the days of Mozart and Rossini, and will not be found in the original scores. Women's roles were labelled were either "contralto" or "soprano". Men's were either "bass" or "tenor". In reality, many of the "sopranos", based on contemporary decriptions of their voices and on their repertoire, were what would be called mezzos today. Likewise, some of the tenors had voices closer to today's baritone, as did many basses. So if we keep to the original descriptions in these operas, then terms like "baritone" and "mezzo-soprano" should be removed from the role tables. The original specification for Count Almaviva was "bass", ditto the title role of Don Giovanni, Guglielmo in Così, Figaro in The Barber of Seville, etc. Dorabella in Così was '"soprano", as was Zulma in L'italiana and Marcellina in Marriage of Figaro (all currently listed in the role tables as "mezzo-soprano"). Malcom in La donna del lago was simply "contralto" (the role table for this one currently says "contralto or mezzo-soprano")
2. If they're operas (especially frequently performed ones) where today such roles are normally assigned to mezzos/baritones, the passing reader is going to be surprised, assume it's an error, not read the footnote, and "fix" it. In those cases I think it's better to have a prose paragraph before the role table explaining that these were the original designations but what casting practice is now and why, referenced to a reliable source including page number. Often times the same reference can be used for multiple operas.
My 2¢ which turned out to be $2 ;-) Voceditenore ( talk) 13:04, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
This article has already been deleted once through a PROD but was re-created. It may not be notable, and if so, should be nominated for an AFD. 4meter4 ( talk) 15:01, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Talking so much about original role tables of The Marriage of Figaro, isn't it about time to give the opera its original title Le nozze di Figaro, considering that major opera houses worldwide produce it in Italian? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 09:33, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
See the section Spurious "Performance history" additions on Talk:L'Orfeo. I have now twice reverted this spectacularly unhelpful Italian IP ( 79.39.119.34). Voceditenore ( talk) 10:47, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
Year | Cast (Faust, Mephistopheles, Marguerite) |
Conductor, Opera House and Orchestra |
Label |
---|---|---|---|
1979 |
José Carreras, Justino Diaz, Katia Ricciarelli |
Herbert von Karajan, Berlin Philharmonic, Berlin State Opera Chorus, Paris Opera Chorus |
Audio CD: Deutsche Grammophon, Cat: 578 3374 |
It looks to me as if this user is either a joker who is just playing around, or someone who has some sort of grudge, or a journalist who wants to show what rubbish can stay undetected in Wikipedia. An indefinite block seems to be called for. -- Guillaume Tell 16:47, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
OK, it's quite obvious it's a troll now. This [2] is its response to the discussion. We should ask an admin to deal with the IP. -- Folantin ( talk) 11:58, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
This article is being discussed for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Hancock-Child. Voceditenore ( talk) 19:04, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
'Kim wrote six full operas in two years, "all of which are better than any in the history of music," according to his official biography'. ( Daily Telegraph 31.1.2011). Does this qualify him for the project? -- Smerus ( talk) 07:24, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Connected to above, an example: I read in the local paper in German about Christiane Kohl in 2011: "danach die Contessa in „Figaros Hochzeit“ in Klagenfurt und anschließend „Die verkaufte Braut“ an der Komischen Oper in Berlin – und dann geht es wieder nach Bayreuth für den Sommer." (ref 2) I put that now, as requested above, as "The Countess in Le nozze di Figaro". But then I wonder about Mařenka in the same sentence (started not by me). Even more I wonder how a reader not familiar with the topic will make the connection from Figaros Hochzeit to the opera, Mozart not being mentioned.? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 10:15, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
User:Brianboulton has recently done an excellent job improving the article on Handel's Rinaldo in time for the opera's 300th anniversary 2 1/2 weeks from now. It would be great to get this promoted to FA in time for a mainpage feature on 24 February. In order to do this, the article needs reviewers at Wikipedia:Peer review/Rinaldo (opera)/archive1. It would be great if project members could comment there in the next couple days. Best. 4meter4 ( talk) 16:43, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Background here. As soon as his block expired, he started in again at Verdi Requiem discography. While he was blocked, he turned his attentions to the hapless Italian Wikipedia with these bizarre additions to it:Messa di requiem (Verdi). I'll ask Antandrus for advice. In the meantime, I suggest we check Special:Contributions/79.39.119.34 on a daily basis. Voceditenore ( talk) 11:52, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Someone has nominated Template:Rossini operas for deletion on the grounds that the old horizontal one ( Template:Rossini operas (horizontal)) which I had created when we were discussing possible new formats is "better". I strongly opposed the deletion and have pointed out at the discussion that this is one of 180 vertical operas by composer navboxes, and that by consensus here it was preferred to the horizontal format. If other members would like to add their input, the deletion discussion is here – Voceditenore ( talk) 08:34, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
An anonymous editor has replaced all the character names with their equivalents from the French libretto used at the first production. Previously the article used the names as normally found in English and US productions and recordings. It seems to me that either we should have the title of the article in English (on the basis of this being the way the opera is normaly referred to in English-speaking countries), and hence have the names in their English equivalents (with their French renderings perhaps in brackets)- or, we should move the opera to 'L'amour des trois oranges' and leave the characters' names in French (with their English renderings perhaps in brackets). I prefer the first of these options - (otherwise there could also be a case for listing all the Russian names.....) Just to complicate matters I will remind you that the first production, in French, used a translation of Prokofiev's adaption of a libretto proposed by Meyerhold which involved translation from Italian into Russian of elements of Gozzi's original play. Opinions please?-- Smerus ( talk) 13:48, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Hello all. I have an idea, originally for WikiProject Free Music, but posted here since the project seems quite inactive.
I was thinking that an admirable (but extremely challenging) goal for WikiProject Classical Music would be to work with the Free Music project to attain basically the same goal Musopen is shooting for - free recordings of all public domain music. However, to achieve this goal, it would be helpful to have a listing of current progress toward this goal, perhaps with tables for each composer, a listing of all their compositions, and the status on recorded versions of those compositions. This would allow the teams to see what exactly has been recorded by every composer and how much they need to get that composer's complete works available. The list here seems useful for cataloging a bunch of songs, but not as a tool to tell what music is available and what isn't by each composer. So I made a small mockup of this idea in my sandbox here. The meat of the idea is in the Layout section. Would it be a worthwhile endeavor to set up a page with this idea in place, but with a range of composers and all their compositions? I ask because doing so would be a fair amount of work that could be wasted if people don't find the idea useful.
Note that I also brought this up on another user's page and WikiProject Classical Music's talk page.
Thanks in advance,
atallcostsky talk 04:21, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
The Marriage of Figaro accepted as the title of the article, I would like to know how to describe the singing in German of Die Hochzeit des Figaro, thinking of all the great singers in German opera tradition until singers traveled internationally and the subtitles came up. (This could also be said about French, Swedish ...). To mention the English title in any way seems not appropriate to me in such a case. Suggestion: She sang the part of the "Gräfin" (Contessa) in Mozart's Die Hochzeit des Figaro. Or Countess? Contessa doesn't appear in the article other than in the quote. (Btw: "Contessa's" would sound more melodic than "Countess'".) - Once the voice parts are so carefully restored to authenticity, shouldn't the roles match? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 08:20, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
La boheme in London is nominated for the Oliver Award for Best New Opera Production: http://www.olivierawards.com/nominations/view/item114062/Best-New-Opera-Production/ -- Ssilvers ( talk) 23:10, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Handel's Rinaldo has just been promoted to Featured Article. Many congratulations and multiple thank-you's (yet again!) to Brian Boulton who managed to bring this start class article to featured status in three weeks, and just in time for the 300th anniversary of its premiere. Thanks too to all who helped and especially 4meter4 whose idea it was try for FA status in time for the anniversary. I've updated Portal:Opera to add it to the rotation and also added the anniversary to the "In this month" section. Voceditenore ( talk) 12:46, 17 February 2011 (UTC)