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User:Marylanderz nominated this article for GA about a month ago. I reviewed the article, and placed it on hold. Marylanderz has not edited Wikipedia in three weeks, so I don't know if he or she will be around to make revisions. I'm fully willing to go beyond the seven day mark with the hold, but as it stands right this moment, the article needs further work to satisfy GA. Notifying all WikiProjects which have banners placed on the article's talk page. Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 23:41, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
Olimpick Games redirects to Cotswold Games
I was wondering if it is more common a mispelling for Olympics, or for Cotswold...
76.66.192.73 ( talk) 05:21, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Olympics/Olympic Bids created to centralize the work around Bids for Olympic Games. Best regards; Felipe Menegaz 20:14, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi everyone. More of a multi-sport thing than an Olympics thing specifically: I've been doing work on listing the sports held at various multi-sport Games and thought that it was a good example of where a template could simplify things. Typically, I (and others) have been adding lists of the sports with links to the results pages and pictograms ( example here). The constant copying, pasting, and editing was tiring me out!
I have now created the {{ GamesSport}} template, which means that all you have to do is write in the sport and it's all done! Also, {{ GamesSport2}} is available to link directly to the results pages (i.e. not the sport) as I know that this system is widely in use. They should work on both the main Games articles and the Games edition articles. I think a link to the sport itself with a "details" link is more helpful for readers, but both ways are as valid as each other I suppose. Winter sports are largely absent, as are those which have no svg pictogram to link to. There are sure to be a couple of improvements which could be made but I think this could definitely make things easier for adding the sports to Asian/Commonwealth/South American Games pages. Sillyfolkboy ( talk) ( edits) Join WikiProject Athletics! 13:59, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm wondering about articles that promote from GA to FA, do we continue to list them on both the GA and FA list or should they only be listed on the FA list? I know that when they are promoted they are removed from WP:GA. The 1956 Winter Olympics is currently on both lists, I'm also attempting to push the Winter Olympics (which is current a GA) up to FA. It's not a huge issue in the overall scheme of things but I thought I'd ask. Thanks. H1nkles ( talk) citius altius fortius 20:11, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
FYI, {{ Olympic Oath}} has been nominated for deletion. 70.29.208.247 ( talk) 05:19, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Having taken the above article to good article reassessment a user is now insistent that the article (and therefore perhaps all/many in Category:Nations at the Winter Paralympics, Category:Nations at the Summer Paralympics, Category:Nations at the Winter Olympics and Category:Nations at the Summer Olympics) is not notable and has repeatedly placed a banner suggetsing merging with 1992 Winter Paralympics or possibly deleting the article. Some input from other members of the project upon the notability of this type of arfticle and what you believe should constitute a GA would be appreciated at Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Great Britain at the 1992 Winter Paralympics/1 - Basement12 (T. C) 11:47, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
A user moved this article to the title "United Arab Republic at the 1960 Summer Olympics", which one is better ? is it not better to use UAR instead of EGY for this year (also 1964 and 1968) ? -- Mohsen1248 ( talk) 07:48, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
There is discussion ongoing at Wikipedia_talk:BIO#RFC:_WP:Athlete_Professional_Clause_Needs_Improvement debating possible changes to the WP:ATHLETE notability guideline. As a result, some have suggested using WP:NSPORT as an eventual replacement for WP:ATHLETE. Editing has begun at WP:NSPORT, please participate to help refine the notability guideline for the sports covered by this wikiproject. — Joshua Scott (LiberalFascist) 03:11, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
Whilst the main discussion going on is on the notability of athletes, something that probably won't affect this project as all Olympians are deemed notable and this seems unlikely to change, there is also some detail on sports teams, seasons and matches contained within WP:NSPORT. My suggestion is that we try to have something like the following included;
For details on suggested content for the above article types see Wikipedia:WikiProject Olympics/Manual of Style.
Thoughts? Basement12 (T. C) 09:52, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone have anything else to add or can this now be taken forward to WP:NSPORT? Basement12 (T. C) 13:25, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
I've raised our ideas at Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)#Olympians - Basement12 (T. C) 15:05, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
On a related note (but in a subsection to keep this topic together), what notability do we expect for Youth Games athletes? My opnion is that this is not the highest level of amateur competition, and that medalists only (unless GNG is otherwise satisfied for specific people) would have biographic articles.
And what about summary style for the
2010 Summer Youth Olympics article? For the main Games, we have per-sport, per-nation, and per-event articles, but should the Youth Games have the same structure? I see that some sport and
nation articles are already being created. Will we have the same level of detail as the main Games? I wouldn't have thought so. —
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2008 Beijing Drum Tower stabbings is up for renaming again at WP:RM, see the talk page Talk:2008 Beijing Drum Tower stabbings
70.29.208.247 ( talk) 20:53, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Can someone help me on Wikipedia:WikiProject Olympics/Olympic Bids? Thanks; Felipe Menegaz 14:25, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Continuation of discussions at Template talk:Summer Olympic stadia and Talk:1900 Summer Olympics (possibly others as well). It may be helpful if User:Nipsonanomhmata could summarise the edits they wish to make for the benefit of anyone new to the debate. - Basement12 (T. C) 14:19, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Here is one reference to be getting on with. Journal of Olympic History, Volume 10, December 2001/January 2002, The 2nd International Olympic Games in Athens 1906, by Karl Lennartz.
I'll provide more references as required. Nipsonanomhmata ( talk) 13:54, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
This source whilst not necessarily entirely reliable seems to give the story of 1900 in the form that I have understood it. The IOC and de Coubertin wanted to hold the Games in Paris and drew up plans, schedules etc. to do so, the Exposition organisers then stepped in, took over the planning (scrapping the IOC plans in the process and stretching events over 5 months) and chose not to use the name "Olympic Games" in any of their published material (note it was not the IOC that chose not to use that term), instead preferring "Concours Internationaux d'exercises physiques et de sport" (as seen on the posters). All IOC material that I have seen (the Official Report was produced by the Expo organisers I believe) refers to Paris 1900 as an Olympic Games. Basement12 (T. C) 16:00, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Nipsonanomhmata has repeatedly used a reference to "Journal of Olympic History, Special Issue - December 2008, The Official Publichation of the International Society of Olympic Historians, p. 2" as an alleged source for the argument that the use of the phrase "second Olympic Games", in 1901, in reference to the planned intercalated 1906 games in Athens, is evidence for the non-olympic status of the 1900 Paris games [2]. I have repeatedly asked him to provide literal quotations from this 2008 article sufficient to demonstrate that the authors of the article are in fact proposing that argument (rather than just quoting the 1901 document for some other purpose). So far, he has failed to do so. I will remove all references to that source unless this demonstration is provided, given that the other source he used for the same contention (" Journal of Olympic History, Volume 10, December 2001/January 2002, The 2nd International Olympic Games in Athens 1906, by Karl Lennartz") also turned out not to support it. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:16, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Okay, since N. refuses to provide the requested quotations, I will assume that this 2008 article supports his claims just as much or as little as the 2002 Lennartz article. I will remove all references to this paper where it is used to support the – apparently purely WP:OR – claim that because somebody referred to 1906 as the "second Olympic Games Athens" we can can conclude that the 1900 games were not olympic. The first statement itself (that "second Olympic Games Athens" was used) is verifiable and can stay (with the Lennartz paper as reference); the false OR inference from it cannot. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:57, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
None of this shows that the IOC did not refer to them as Olympics, merely that the Exposition organisers didn't wish to do so. The Official report and all medals etc were and are produced by the organising committee of a Games and not the IOC themselves - in this case that was the Exposition oranisers. I've also requested deletion of the image you uploaded as it is non-free and should only be used in an article on the journal it depicts. Basement12 (T. C) 19:55, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
Nipson is still revert-warring at 1900 Summer Olympics, reinserting his OR speculation about the 1901 documents allegedly serving as evidence for non-olympic status of 1900 [6], and at Vélodrome de Vincennes [7], where he is removing any reference to the word "Olympics" (and incidentally also to the word "stadium"). This one of the worst cases of WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT that I've seen in a long while on this project. I really don't know what other form of dispute resolution with this person could be expected to be anything else but a waste of time. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:13, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
As far as I am able to tell Nipsonanomhmata's case rests entirely on a misinterpretation of the phrase 'The 2nd International Olympic Games in Athens 1906' and the fact that the 1900 Exposition organisers did not use the rterm Olympic Games. For this to be interpreted as the IOC not claiming the 1900 Games there would also need to be proof, from an IOC source, that they didn't claim the1900 and 1904 Games. Until such proof is provided, and I don't believe it will be, then Nipsonanomhmata's edit's should continue to be reverted as OR. Basement12 (T. C) 12:14, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
In fact, there are a lot of good reasons why it is important to note that the Games at the Paris Exposition in 1900 were not recognised as Olympic Games by the International Olympic Committee or Baron Pierre de Coubertin. Nipsonanomhmata ( talk) 20:20, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
The article at -> ISOH Journal <- about Athens 1906 is full of historical facts that make it absolutely clear that the IOC did not consider the Paris Exposition Games in 1900 to be Olympic Games. Whatever the IOC says today is not the same as what it said and documented in 1900 and 1901. That is a fact. And no historian can reasonably just cover up the fact that what the IOC says today contradicts what it said in 1900 and 1901.
REFERENCE A “Exposition Universelle Internationale de 1900 a Paris, Concours Internationale d’Exercices Physiques et de Sports, Rapports, publies sous la direction de M.D. Merillon, Tome II, Paris, Impremerie Nationale.”
A1. This is where all the sporting events of the Games at the Paris Exposition are described. There is not one single mention of “Olympic Games” throughout this volume. No mention on the cover and no mention in the text. No IOC rules or regulations are included. Clearly this was not intended to be an Olympic Games. It was not organised by the IOC. It did not come under the auspices of the International Olympic Committee.
A2. Baron Pierre de Coubertin was involved as the Secretary General of the U.S.F.S.A. and was not involved in any representative capacity of the International Olympic Committee. [A secondary reference for this is the Special Issue – Dec 2008 of the Journal of the Olympic History, published by the International Society of Olympic Historians]. No member of the International Olympic Committee represented the IOC at the Games of the Paris Exposition in 1900. The IOC’s involvement was prevented by M.D. Merillon (the man in charge of the Paris Exposition).
REFERENCE B “Exposition Universelle Internationaux de 1900 a Paris, Reglement Generale des Concours Internationale d’Exercices Physiques et de Sports, Paris 1900, publies sous la direction de M.D. Merillon, Impremerie Nationale.”
B1. No mention of the International Olympic Committee in the invitations sent to all the countries and all the athletes to attend the Olympic Games. No IOC letter-head, no IOC auspices, no IOC representative, no IOC President.
REFERENCE B. Here are some examples from [8]:
C1. From the first paragraph of the first page of the article which is p. 10 of this particular ISOH Journal:
The title of the article is “The 2nd International Olympic Games in Athens 1906”. It is very clear what this article is about. It does not say the “The Intermediate Games of Athens 1906”. It does not say “The 1st Intercalated Olympic Games in Athens 1906”. It does not say “The Second Athenian Olympic Games”. It does not say “The 2nd Athenaic” or “Panathenaic” or “Hellenic” “Olympic Games. It says “The 2nd International Olympic Games in Athens 1906”. The IOC also considers that the 1st International Olympic Games in Athens 1896 to be the 1st International Olympic Games (in the IOC’s “official” version of history). The title by itself says that no International Olympic Games was held in Paris in 1900 (i.e. none that were under the auspices of the IOC).
C2. That same first paragraph also says that it was not till 1948 that the IOC decided to change its own version of history and call the 1906 Athens Olympic Games the “Intermediate” Games. That’s not a POV. It’s a fact.
C3. On p. 17 of the same article Baron Pierre de Coubertin published the program of the 1906 Athens Olympic Games published in the Revue Olympique. It also says:
"COUBERTIN could not simply leave out the IOC decision which the IOC requested all countries and associations which it cooperated to take part in the Games in Athens. He had, in accordance with the IOC’s mandate, written a letter to the countries and associations, pointing out the Games in Athens.”
The IOC invited countries to the 1906 Athens Olympic Games as part of the official IOC organisation and under the auspices of the IOC. This was not the case with Paris in 1900. See below for more details about Paris in 1900.
C4. On p. 20 (bottom left, last sentence) of the same article
“With all criticism of COUBERTIN – the 1906 Games had been named “real” Olympic Games by the IOC.”
C5. Further down,
“He briefly describes the magnificent opening ceremony and then adds that Count Eugenio BRUNETTA d’USSEAUX had represented him” [as official representative of the IOC].
C6. Last sentence of p. 20 and first of p.21:
“After having used a not quite understandable excuse in 1904 for not going to St Louis.” [there were no representative of the IOC at St. Louis and although COUBERTIN was head of the athletics (only) organisation (not cycling not football, not motorboating, not motor racing, not ballooning, not swimming etc) He was not there as a representative of the IOC since Paris 1900 was not under the auspices of the IOC.]
C7. On p. 22 first paragraph.
“MERKATI remarks that especially BALCK and GERHARDT were completely dissatisfied with the work done by the IOC. That they [, the IOC,] had taken part in Olympic Games is not in the least questioned by both.”
C8. On p. 25 Now, despite the IOC referring to the Athens 1906 Olympic Games as “International Olympic Games”. Coubertin, after his failure to get the IOC on top of the organisations in Paris and St Louis and Coubertin’s reluctance to have Athens 1906 under the auspices of the IOC. He refers to London 1908 as the “4th Olympics”. Interesting, that he jumps from “2nd International Olympic Games” to “4th Olympics”. From here on he had decided in his own mind that 1906 Athens was going to be overlooked and side-stepped as “Intermediate Games” at some point in the future. But this was done in retrospect. Despite the fact that previous plans for the Games in Paris in 1900 and St Louis in 1904, to come under the auspices of the IOC, had failed.
C9. On p. 26 top right first para. It is made absolutely clear that all the prominent scholars of Olympic history listed in the paragraph, consider the 1906 Athens Olympic Games to be an official “Olympic Games” without question and not “Intermediate Games” (despite the IOC’s current position which is not the same as it was between 1900 and 1906).
“It is also clear to many authors, who indulge in the study of the history of the participation of one nation in the Games that these, or any other teams, took part in the Olympic Games in Athens in 1906.”
C10. On p. 26 Abstract. This section discusses the split between IOC members of where future Olympic Games were to be held. Notably, the Americans wanted the Olympics to stay in Greece.
C11. On p. 27 Motion. The International Society of Olympic Historians recommended to the IOC to “include the Second International Olympic Games 1906 in Athens” in the IOC’s official list of Olympic Games. The current list does not. The list in 1906 did.
REFERENCE D. “Journal of Olympic History, Special Issue, December 2008, published by the International Society of Olympic Historians, ISBN 10855165.”
D1. This special issue dedicated solely to the Games at the Paris Exposition in 1900. Highlights some of the issues above and is a very good secondary reference. Nipsonanomhmata ( talk) 20:20, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
Again you aren't adding anything to this discussion just rehashing your same old points. I'm not saying anyone called them the 2nd Athenian Games just that they were called the second IOC Games in Athens - this still is not the same as saying second games overall. Even the source you have provided refers to 1906 as the 4th Olympic Games ( Journal of Olympic History, Volume 10, December 2001/January 2002, The 2nd International Olympic Games in Athens 1906, by Karl Lennartz page 10) On your second point - EXACTLY Coubertin would have been badly frustrated because he was not getting his way - his way and the IOC's way was the Games being run by the IOC; the IOC thought of the Games as Olympics and therefore wanted more control. If they weren't Olympics why did they bother to get involved at all? What you need to provide is an IOC source, an actual IOC produced source not one from the Exposition organisers (I may possibly accept significantly credible, unambigous secondary sources), that state that the IOC did not consider the 1900 Games to be an Olympics. Not merely a source that omits the word Olympics, not one that might be interpreted as counting 1906 as the 2nd Olympics, but one that actively states that 1900 (&1904 if you like) were not Olympics. Basement12 (T. C) 13:33, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
Another wall of text adding little to the discussion. Lets ignore any further talk of 1906 shall we, its not relevant to the 1900 discussion. All of this is still just an omission of the term Olympic Games, mostly due to the Exposition refusing to use the term. Nothing yet quoted or provided shows that the IOC did not consider an Olympic Games to have taken place. You've provided two non-exellent sources neither of which anyone else has seen and given your previous misinterpretation and misquoting of sources I for one am not prepared to accept anything from on good faith. What can we agree on? The IOC did not have control over the Games. They did not fund them. They did set up a committee and the Exposition committee hijacked the plans and ran things themselves. To me this is no different to the modern Games in which the host city is responsible for the organising committee that plans events and funds the Games. The Baron sent out the invitations to the events, this would not have happened in the same way without his input; even if the Exposition organisers did not see him as acting on behalf of the IOC and the Olympics. This is worth a mention in relevant articles but the way you have been putting the idea forward seems to suggest that the IOC had no intention of staging an Olympics in Paris at the same time as the Exposition with a similar programme of events to that which occured. Basement12 (T. C) 15:44, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
I've nominated the image Josh Sundquist (alpine skier from the United States pictured at the 2006 Paralympics in Torino) as a Featured picture candidate, but it seems to have some problems with the copyright. Could someone here who has an email they use as a wikipedia user, be willing to confirm the copyright, maybe email the image uploader, or add to the discussion in other ways, at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Josh Sundquist. Bib ( talk) 18:12, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Neil Brooks/archive1. Gold medallist swimmer from Australia. YellowMonkey ( vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 01:18, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
Does WikiProject Olympics use a bot that automatically places the {{ WikiProject Olympics}} template on the talk page of articles in certain categories, such as for example the Xenobot and some other bots do? If not, could it be arranged? If so, could the Paralympics task force be added, with |Paralympics=yes for the articles in Paralympics categories? Bib ( talk) 22:05, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
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22:58, 10 June 2010 (UTC)I had already expressed my concern last year on using Olympic flags for some countries in all 1980 Summer Olympics-related articles, even for competitions, were athletes wore uniforms with their national flags (as approved by images from official report provided by me). That was ignored, I don't see neither flags changed nor even notes of the fact that competitors wore uniforms with national flags attached. Although once again, sources were provided, and I don't know what is needed more than this.
And now it's another "top". Total and individual scores provided by me from official reports with scoring system explanations were removed completely and replaced by totals only with no explanations, in gymnastics at the Olympics articles. Let's compare for women's team competition at the 1980 Olympics: earlier (see women's events section), now. The same is for 1976: earlier, now. What's the aim of the project? To write short stubs, rather than articles, at least for some topics? Cmapm ( talk) 09:59, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
What should be done about these two navboxes?
They have an almost identical layout and that will confuse readers/editors. What's your say? Parutakupiu ( talk) 19:18, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
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not much can be done here since the games have not started but at least the article can be started;
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thanks in advance. El Johnson ( talk) 18:39, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
A request has been made to tag & auto-assess articles in the scope of this project based on categories and/or auto-assess the project's unassessed articles.
To auto-assess, Xenobot Mk V ( talk · contribs) looks for a {{ stub}} template on the article, or inherits the class rating from other project banners (see here for further details).
Feel free to raise any questions or concerns regarding this process. The task will commence after 72 hours if there are no objections.
Parutakupiu ( talk) 23:21, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
This gold-medal winning swimmer from 1980 is at FAC. Many thanks YellowMonkey ( vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 00:24, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
I recently made a template ( Template:GamesSport) which can list a competition's sports somewhat automatically. Having discussed this at Talk:2010 Commonwealth Games#Link_to_the_games_sport_page_vs_sport_page, I recommend that we use a similar system on the Olympic pages. This style clarifies what the links actually link to, and inserts a little, visually descriptive pictogram at the same time. Furthermore, I've been using this template on other "games" pages as I think it greatly simplifies the task of creating these sports sections. Sillyfolkboy ( talk) ( edits) Join WikiProject Athletics! 10:01, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I wanted to bring to the attention of this WikiProject the 2010 Central American and Caribbean Games Article. The games will be held in Mayagüez, Puerto Rico, from July 17, 2010 to August 1, 2010. There is lots to be done, especially related to the following red linked articles; please see if you can contribute in any way:
thanks in advance. El Johnson ( talk) 18:39, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
FYI - I have nominated 27 list articles related to Olympic sailors for deletion. Since this is the most applicable WikiProject for such articles, I thought I'd let you know in case you'd like to contribute to the discussions here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of sailors at the Summer Olympics. Thanks. SnottyWong confabulate 23:08, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
I'm wondering if there is any consensus on how to treat the men's road cycling events between 1912 and 1932? Individual articles indicate they were held as time trials; however, {{ Footer olympic champions road cycling men}} includes their winners amongst the road race winners and List of Olympic medalists in cycling (men) treats the 1924 edition as a road race. I've already asked at Talk:Cycling at the Summer Olympics but with no answers I guess nobody watches that page. Severo T C 12:32, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
A FAC has been started for this Australian Olympic gold-medal winning swimmer of 1980 YellowMonkey ( vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 01:29, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
A recent (anonymous) edit to the Athletics at the 1936 Summer Olympics page changed the medal total for Canada from 3 to 6 bronze medals. How are we counting medals in these tables? The lists show that Canada won bronze in three events, but one of those events was a relay with four medal winners. So does the relay count as one medal, or four? PaulGS ( talk)
Athletics at the 2010 South American Games – Women's 4 x 400m relay has been nominated for deletion. You can join the discussion here. Lugnuts ( talk) 19:08, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
A FAC has been started for the Australian Olympic gold-medal winning relay team of 1980 YellowMonkey ( vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 00:55, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
{{ Infobox Country Youth Olympics}} {{ Infobox Youth Olympics Great Britain}}
Hi, as the Youth Olympic Games are about to formally commence in a few days, I think that we should create separate per-country infoboxes for the Youth Olympics. This is in line with the per-country infoboxes used in the Olympics and Paralympics. I've decided to be bold and create the two templates on the right as samples. The first (template location here) is the central template used as a foundation for the per-country infoboxes. I have created a country infobox for Great Britain (template location here). I'm seeking approval for this action. If approved, I'll replicate the Great Britain infobox for all other countries (Algeria... Zimbabwe). Any comments? Best, ANGCHENRUI Talk ♨ 08:11, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
This looks very nice, but I also have concerns about YOG notability. We'll see how much coverage they get in a couple weeks, but I don't think every participant/event should necessarily automatically have articles and the detail used elsewhere. Reywas92 Talk 16:56, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
It's a bye then to Template:Infobox Youth Olympics Great Britain? (Proposed deletion) ANGCHENRUI Talk ♨ 04:45, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
Hello, I am from Canada and am interested to contribute to articles related to Canadian participation in the games. I have noticed that page Canada at the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics includes links to particular sports and these links are called '<SPORT> at the 2010 Youth Summer Olympics' while number of actual pages created for Canada and other countries are called as '<SPORT> at the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics'. Before starting to contribute to the content I wanted to know community’s opinion on pages naming standard instead of doing redirects or editing all/some links. I wanted to start from fencing, for instance, and found a stub page that demonstrates the situation Fencing at the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics. Please let me know your opinion. Thank you. No troll ( talk) 17:34, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
I have a question which came up after Darius Dhlomo ( talk · contribs) added Netherlands at the 2010 European Championships in Athletics on my watchlist to Category:2010 in the Netherlands. The 2010 European Athletics Championships were staged, however, in Spain, not in the Netherlands, which is why the parent article is in Category:2010 in Spain. Darius pointed me out to Argentina at the 1991 Pan American Games being categorised in Category:1991 in Argentina, but this makes just as much sense as my Netherlands in Spain example. The 1991 Pan American Games took place in Cuba, so why is this categorised as "in Argentina"? We wouldn't categorise Battle of the Somme in Category:1916 in the United Kingdom because the event happened in France – so why is this done with athletics teams? Any insight and explanation would be appreciated. Jared Preston ( talk) 12:01, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
Hi, input is needed into the following discussion:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style#Athletics_race_distances —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.183.171.61 ( talk) 17:55, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Hello. I would like some input from participants of this project on an issue that has come up. User No troll has raised a concern on my talk page regarding the use of "boys" and "girls" over "cadet male" and "cadet female" in the article namespace for Fencing events at the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics. I had originally moved these articles with the intention of conforming with the terminology of other events in the Games. In the interest of saving space, I point you to my talk page, which I have linked above, to see the specifics of his comments. I would like to ask this project whether "boys" and "girls" are appropriately used as is, or whether they should be changed into something more "professional" such as "men" and "women" currently used in other Olympics articles. Thanks for your input. — Arsonal ( talk + contribs)— 00:26, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Each navigational template is specific per sport and per Games, so all you need to do is change the links appropriately. I think though that we should wait for the YOG to be concluded before applying structural changes in these article series. Let the editing rush fade out... Parutakupiu ( talk) 15:01, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
Discussion can be found here. Lugnuts ( talk) 18:04, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
I suppose these results should be within specific sport articles? No troll ( talk) 17:50, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
Hi. The template, which appears on the talk pages of articles relating to the Olympics and Paralympics, asks for editors' help in adding full results for all editions of the Olympic Games. Might it also invite editors to add full results for all editions of the Paralympic Games? The pages on the Paralympics still need a lot of work in filling in results - a lot more so than pages on the Olympics. Raising their profile might help. Aridd ( talk) 17:00, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
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Hello. Quick question - what order should the medals go in the infobox for an individual? Should they be grouped together by year, then colour, or should all the golds be listed first, then silvers, etc? Lugnuts ( talk) 19:29, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
I've been checking through various articles with copyright infringements from this copyright investigation. Among them are Olympic athletics results articles (such as Athletics at the 1980 Summer Olympics – Men's 400 metres) which have sections of prose which is copied. However, the editor does not recall where he found the source. Does anyone here know of sources which cover this kind of Olympic material in such detail? I am presuming that the source will be from no more than one or two places as the descriptions are quite similar. The source will be American (given the spelling of favorite) and is a retrospective written after the event (i.e. not a contemporary report).
Finding these sources will not only enable us to remove the violations properly, but it means the sources can be used to write original material and can be linked to for reader reference. Any ideas anyone? The articles I've listed below all contain copyright violations and will likely account for roughly a quarter of the total problem articles when I've finished searching through the edits. Sillyfolkboy ( talk) ( edits) Join WikiProject Athletics! 12:09, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
It has been proposed that we mass blank articles using a 'bot. This is going to affect several biographies of olympians, as well as the articles mentioned above. For details, see the discussion. Uncle G ( talk) 12:25, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
We're now at the stage where the 'bot is ready to roll, and no-one has voiced an objection. (Indeed, to the contrary: Several people want to go further, and mass delete the articles.)
If the 'bot goes ahead, this will probably light up some people's watchlists like Diwali. Be warned. Uncle G ( talk) 04:33, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
I was looking around at some of the Olympic athlete pages like Apolo Ohno and Michael Phelps and I noticed how their navigation boxes at the bottom of the pages were kinda simple. I looked the Dutch version of nl:Bonnie Blair and I noticed how they had their boxes put into a surrounding "Olympic Champions" template. So I asked Nihiltres about making something of that sort and he/she thought it would be better if were a standardized system for all Olympic athletes first. And I thought there could be a way to include World, Pan Pacific, etc boxes into the system as well. Any thoughts? on camera (t) 23:38, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
The Beijing men's cycling road race finally has a full podium. Davide Rebellin, who originally finished second, was long since stripped of his silver medal, but third and fourth-place finishers Fabian Cancellara and Alexandr Kolobnev were sort of in limbo as to whether they'd get new medals. Per the source linked at the outset, they either already have (it's a few days old) or will very soon. How best to go about updating not only those riders' articles, but articles like Switzerland at the 2008 Summer Olympics and Russia at the 2008 Summer Olympics? I notice that the 2008 Summer Olympics medal table article considers, when a gold or silver medalist is stripped, that the new gold, or silver medalist has lost whatever medal they previously had. I find this a bit strange, since I highly doubt Cancellara has been (or will be) asked to give back his bronze medal. What should the medals table for his nation's article show? Kolobnev is a bit simpler, since he didn't win any medal in 2008, but it probably should still be noted that his bronze came about at the disqualification of another athlete. Further, for Cancellara, is the Category:Olympic bronze medalists for Switzerland no longer applicable? Green-eyed girl ( Talk · Contribs) 20:29, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
A brand new medal winners list to add to the collection. Feel free to jump in, if interested! -- Another Believer ( Talk) 23:48, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
As I was looking through the proposal for a WikiProject Commonwealth Games, it struck in my mind that a WikiProject coordinating all the articles on multi-sport events would be a better idea. As you can see here and here, there are numerous multi-sports events in existence today, not to count a few I know of that isn't in those lists. Many of these articles are in a sorrowful state, with no direct coverage by any WikiProject (WikiProject Sports is too broad). The Commonwealth Games can be a task force under this WikiProject. As for the Olympics — it certainly is significant enough to stand on its own. It'll just be related to the new WikiProject. Any comments/support? I am willing to develop the WikiProject, if its approved. Cheers, ANGCHENRUI Talk ♨ 10:24, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Update Following the proposal at WikiProject Council, the WikiProject has now been set up ( here). We are seeking more participants; if you are able to and wish to commit, you can always sign up at the project page! Thank you. ANGCHENRUI Talk ♨ 10:01, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
FYI, there is a proposal to create a WP:WikiProject Commonwealth Games, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Commonwealth Games.
76.66.200.95 ( talk) 05:32, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm thinking of getting List of 2010 Summer Youth Olympics medal winners to FL-status. The only thing bogging it down is the number of red-links present in the article. My idea is to remove the links where it is red (non-existent article). However, WP:OLYCON has a convention on links for every athlete listed in competition results. Of course, I'm not sure if it applies in this case since we are looking at the Youth Olympics and not the senior Olympics. I also had a chat with Dabomb87, the FL director, who commented on removing the links; he had no objection to it. Should I go ahead and remove the red-links? There's no way an article inked almost everywhere in red would pass FLC. ANG CHENRUI WP:MSE ♨ 05:31, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
There is no Outline of the Olympics.
To create one, click on the redlink above and add this line:
{{subst:BLT|the Olympics|The Olympics}}
Then press Save page and start adding relevant subheadings and links.
For the whole set of outlines on Wikipedia, see Portal:Contents/Outlines.
For a relevant discussion see: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Birds/archive 40#What do you think about making an Outline of Birds?
Here's the outline they created: Outline of birds.
The Transhumanist 20:41, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
How do I add the IOC code of RAU to the above template for the 1960 Summer Olympics? IE {{flagIOC|RAU|1960}}. Thanks. Lugnuts ( talk) 10:17, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
{{
flagIOC|EGY|1960 Summer}}
. The RAU country code can be displayed ih the infobox, which I have just added. —
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This is an RFC opened in response to a deletion discussion regarding the events of the Youth Olympic Games, which was closed as no consensus, in order to determine whether such events are notable enough to have their own articles. All comments are welcome. :| TelCo NaSp Ve :| 06:04, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Notice placed at Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports). -- Tryptofish ( talk) 16:11, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
There was a previous discussion of how WP:NSPORT should be applied, at Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)/Archive 6#Youth Olympic Games. -- Tryptofish ( talk) 16:14, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Please note the discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Asian Games.
65.93.12.43 ( talk) 07:29, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Hello. Can anyone explain, why is the flag of United German team used during 1968 Games? To my mind, there should be the flag of the German Democratic republic -- VovanA ( talk) 20:05, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
International Olympic Movement has been prodded for deletion... maybe it should redirect somewhere? 64.229.101.17 ( talk) 06:26, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
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{{ NPCin1984WinterParalympics}} was nominated for deletion. 65.94.45.209 ( talk) 12:45, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Quick question. I am working on Olympic venues from the first Olympics in 1896 at Athens to the 2016 Games in Rio. Do we want them all on the list of Summer Olympic, Winter Olympic, and overall venues even though the names of the venues may change for the 2012 London, 2014 Sochi, and 2016 Rio games between now and when they host the games? Please advise. Chris ( talk) 15:36, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be an article at 2020 Winter Youth Olympics ? According to the 2016 Winter Youth Olympics article, several cities have moved bids from 2016 to 2020. 65.94.71.179 ( talk) 03:12, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
The Official Vancouver 2010 site has moved all its pages, with all its results, to http://72.35.10.20/. Bib ( talk) 11:02, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
Discussion can be found here. Lugnuts ( talk) 15:11, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
this maybe of interest to people here. Lugnuts ( talk) 18:48, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, merci -- Geneviève ( talk) 18:18, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Hey, anyone here can provide a standard format for creating a calendar? because i have issue here, which related also. Standardize will help the dispute. Thank you. -- Aleen f1 08:29, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
Bonjour Aleen, good work but I have no idea for calendars. -- Geneviève ( talk) 12:56, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
Do we have a policy for empty Country at Year Olympic Games articles? I see absolutely no reason to keep empty articles like Haiti at the 1995 Pan American Games, Haiti at the 1999 Pan American Games, and Gambia at the 1988 Summer Olympics. When a country did not win a single medal and has few athletes, there is no need for a separate article. It's highly unlikely they will ever be expanded (and our concerns should be elsewhere), and those with only a couple competitors should be merged. I would really like these substubs to be redirected, but I didn't want backlash if I did it myself. Reywas92 Talk 22:17, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
I and Intoronto1125 ( talk · contribs) have disagreement over the calendar, as he keeps the word "ceremonies" centralise, while i prefer to keep all the events standadize, on left. What he does is undo with no reason or nonsense reason. Some links he gave in User talk:Nlu#Calendar format have all but one only centralised, yet still he claim i'm wrong and he is right. So, now i want every opinion from members or editors to standardize the calendar. Thank you. -- Aleen f1 15:40, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
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Opinion: First, let me note by way of background that the issue here is a template–related one, i.e. whether the word "Ceremonies" should be centered or left-aligned as if it was a sporting event, in various calendar templates coming under the purview of this project. A good list of examples of the various templates involved can be found at User talk:Nlu#Calendar format. Second, the rule at Wikipedia is that each article and template stands alone unless there is consensus to make a rule or guideline requiring them to be uniform. No such consensus exists in this case, as far as I can tell. That means that until such consensus is reached that it is inappropriate to insist on making the templates uniform, and repeated insertions and reversions doing so are particularly inappropriate. Third, it is my opinion that the word "Ceremonies" should be left-aligned and not be centered, but I want to emphasize that that's just my personal preference based on the notion that the ceremonies are, when all is considered, just another event at the games. It's also my opinion that all the calendar templates should be uniform, as that contributes to the appearance of Wikipedia. |
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Why wouldn't you want the text left-aligned? It looks better to my eyes. It is completey irrelevant that the ceremonies aren't "events". But center-aligned text looks worse than left-aligned (or right-aligned as appropriate) if the strings are of arbitrary length. Best to keep center-alignment used only for numbers of the same order of magnitude. So with that in mind, I would also suggest left-alignment for the "Venues" column. The zig-zag edge of text with center-alignment looks silly. — Andrwsc ( talk · contribs) 19:53, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
-- Aleen f1 10:21, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
Opinion: I, personally, like it better when everything is in the "align=left" column, there is no need to center the word ceremonies. Kante4 ( talk) 19:31, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
Then why is it that a majority of calendars have the word ceremonies centralized? Intoronto1125 ( talk) 21:11, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
I was asked to comment since I made the most recent Winter Olympics calendar, but to be honest, I just copied it from the last one. I never gave this issue much thought, and don't have an opinion now. Lampman ( talk) 10:14, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
I am the original author of the first template in this series, and, as such, recently received a message asking for my input here. In all honesty, I do not have any pre-existing views on whether or not we center the ceremonies entry. I do, however, strongly support the move for uniformity across all templates in this category. — C M B J 11:22, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
A bit late, but I also prefer them all to be left-aligned. My reasoning is that, if the word "ceremonies" were centralised, then it looks like a sub-heading, with all of the sports as items under that sub-heading. Because this isn't true, we need to keep the formatting consistent. Bluap ( talk) 01:03, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
Which template is officially use for Olympic Games, {{ OlympicEvent}} or {{ GamesSport}}? Since {{ OlympicEvent}} use for 2008 Summer Olympics and looks pretty good, why not for 2012 or more? -- Aleen f1 17:43, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
Should we split volleyball into two articles for the Olympics (beach and indoor) or leave them together? For the Pan American Games, Lusophony Games and the recent Asian Games they were split in two. Intoronto1125 ( talk) 23:27, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
Feel free to help fill in Template:Student athlete by adding new articles or creating articles for redlinks.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 19:01, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
I'm really confused about this category's scope. Category's description says "This category contains articles about past and present Olympic sports and links to the categories for those sports", but it also contain recognized sports. I think there should be two different categories, one for actual Olympic sports and other for recognized sports as according to IOC's definition "Olympic sports" and "recognized sport" are completely different terms, following this we can't place them together. Bill william compton Talk 05:43, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
A recently discussion Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Women's Sport. Your opinions and your advice are welcome. -- Geneviève ( talk) 23:08, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
Check WP:NFCC. All opinions welcome. Thank you. walk victor falk talk 19:27, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
There are 200 articles in Category:Nations at the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics which also have the “year in country” category eg Category:2010 in East Timor. But they should also have a classification in the Sport category for that country eg Category:Sport in East Timor which I added to that article. But most of the 199 articles do not have this third category. I don’t think they belong in the Olympic subcategory Category:East Timor at the Olympics, or do they? Hugo999 ( talk) 05:31, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
I wanted to let everyone know on the project that I am retiring from Wikipedia. This has nothing to do with policy, other users, or Wikipedia itself. My personal priorities have changed in the fact that I am engaged to be married later this year along with a job-related exam in October.
For those who were involved with me during the 2010 Winter Olympics, 2008 Summer Olympics, the list of Olympic venues, and the sports of bobsleigh, canoeing, cross-country skiing, luge, Nordic combined, skeleton, and ski jumping, thank you for your assistance with this.
Citius, Altius, Fortius Chris ( talk) 14:37, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
What is our policy regarding pictograms that are used as icons to represent individual sports? I understand that they are useful at international competitions where people with many different languages congregate. However, different games have adopted different designs. For example, the official website for the the 2010 Commonwealth Games used different pictograms than those used on 2010 Commonwealth Games#Sports. When we add pictograms to a Wikipedia article, do we have some obligation to tie them back to a reliable source?
This has arisen most recently with the file File:Netball pictogram.svg which was drawn by a Wikipedia editor but featured prominently in Netball and Netball and the Olympic Movement. Displaying a user-created pictogram suggests an Olympic status for Netball that is perhaps grander than the facts. If Netball becomes an Olympic sport in the future, how does Wikipedia know what its pictogram will be? Isn't this original research? I appreciate the time taken to draw this graphic, but what is its factual basis? Racepacket ( talk) 13:03, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
Bonjour I am very Sorry Racepacket but I do not like your comparisons. I quote you...Suppose I developed a pictogram that was silly - for example showing an athlete scratching himself - would I be allowed to put it into the infobox, or would my pictogram be original research? Be it of the good humor of your part ???? I don't know. And I do not want to make of personal attacks towards you. Do you are incensed against articles of Netball ??? (see also the another discussion in Wikipedia RfC). Please you should read this page Harassment and to act correctly with fair-play in Netpall articles. Thank you so much of your understanding, I love you Racepacket (you are a good person) but I don't like your comments: Sometimes by write with the humor, we can hurt the other persons ( Can be sometimes in a involuntary behavior). I do not want to hurt you but I want to be honest with you. Je suis désolée, je vous remercie de votre compréhension, je ne doute pas de votre bonne volonté, Best regards -- Geneviève ( talk) 15:53, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
The pictograms used for sports in the Summer Paralympic Games are the Official icons from Beijing 2008,
available on commons. The Winter sports however, have icons that looks like the Beijing icons, but are created by user(s). Maybe the official sports icons that were created for each specific Olympic/Paralympic year could be added to articles, which would mean alot of fair use images.
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I was also of the opinion that the icons were purely decorative, as nothing official could be used due to copyright. Whilst I like them in various places, for example the navboxes and in the "Nation" by "year" article headings (places where fair use on the official logos could not be reasonably claimed), I guess we really have no justifiable reason for using them at all so displaying them in places like Athletics at the Summer Olympics could give the wrong impression. Perhaps it would be best to do away with them altogether in deference to WP policy - though on a personal level i'd hate to see this happen. Also, whilst File:Athletics - Paralympic pictogram.svg etc may be the official logos of the organizing committee, are they offical as far as the IOC are concerned? And are they really free to use? - Basement12 (T. C) 01:26, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
This seems like a breech of WP:OR. We can't make stuff up Gnevin ( talk) 20:56, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
I don't know about consensus Racepacket, because I don't see the harm in using pictograms for any sport what-so-ever. Plus, from what I've read about original research, these pictograms DO NOT violate that policy. They are just that. Pictograms. Now arguments can be made about the title of a certain article, or it's content misleading a reader into believing a sport is part of the Olympics, but I don't see how the pictograms alone can mislead a reader into thinking that. I, for one, would like to see those pictograms continued to be used, whether they are part of the Commonwealth Games, Asian Games, Olympic Games, or any other multi-sport event.-- Perakhantu ( talk) 06:29, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
I removed the icon from the templates ( Template:Infobox Olympic sport and Template:Infobox Paralympic sport) is there consensus for further removes such as Template:Olympic Games Rugby Gnevin ( talk) 00:09, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
I have reviewed WP:MOSICON and read that guideline has prohibiting the use of large icons in sport articles when the icon is used to suggest a connection with the Olympics. How do other people read it? Thanks, Racepacket ( talk) 17:39, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
In completing the FAC for the 1956 Winter Olympics a concern was raised that the event calendar was not compliant with the access guidelines of the MOS. The issue revolved around the calendar's reliance on color and how that would impact our color blind readers. The discussion is at the bottom of this page. Has there been any consideration given to this issue in the past? Is anyone aware of remedies that would be easy to implement? Other articles like the '56 Winter Games will be moving to FA consideration and it would be good to have this concern addressed. Thank you for any thoughts you may have. H1nkles ( talk) citius altius fortius 19:18, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
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There are a number of sports that are Olympic recognised sports but not competed for in the Olympics. This isn't my area of expertise. It would be really great if we could have some assistance in terms of how to organise articles related to that, consistent spelling and punctuation for the term. I've created Category:Olympic recognised sports as a short term solution for the Netball at the Olympics article. (That was created because our Olympic section was getting rather long. While the information is important, it best fits on its own article instead of on the main one.) -- LauraHale ( talk) 04:34, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
Bonjour, for me, the title Netball at the Olympics is very good: simple and Clearly on the question treaty. Bonne chance -- Geneviève ( talk) 19:32, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
I'm okay with the article needing a name change. I just did not know what to name it as the sport is Olympic recognised but there was no style guide for how to handle Olympic recognised sports, nor how to categorise them. Obviously the sport hasn't been played at the Olympics and prior to this, there appeared to be no need to address how to handle sports recognised but not competed for. I was hoping that the style guide would have information on that topic or some option could be offered for how to deal with those sports in the future. I thought about Netball as an Olympic sport but there appears to be contention around the identification of netball as an Olympic sport. -- LauraHale ( talk) 21:12, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
There is a major conceptual problem here. The International Olympic Committee recognizes International Federations and not particular sports. (Some International Federations govern multiple sports, and the IOC evaluates the quality of the International Federation rather than any particular aspect of the underlying sports. For example, the IOC could not care about the fitness level required to play, but cares about the quality of the Anti-Doping program. So when the IOC "recognized" the IFNA, it was not recognizing netball as a sport or making a commentary one way or the other about whether netball was a "worthy" sport. The phrase "Olympic-recognized" may be an attempt to add glamor to 32 sports such as Sumo Wrestling, Korfball, Mountaineering, Powerboating, and Wushu. So, the phrase "Olympic-recognized sport" makes no sense. So, perhaps the article should be merged into the "International Federation of Netball Associations" and the discussion of the IOC's recognition of the IFNA incorporated there. Thanks, Racepacket ( talk) 04:50, 26 March 2011 (UTC) Please see Talk:International Federation of Netball Associations#Merger_Proposal
Assuming hypothetically that there are "recognized sports" (which I now doubt), would the correct phrase be "IOC recognized sport" just as the phrase is "IOC recognized international federation", not "Olympic recognized international federation." I read the Olympic charter as recognizing federations, not sports. But if for some reason I was wrong, why would the phrase be "Olympic recognized sport?" Racepacket ( talk) 22:01, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
Can we please develop a consensus on how to treat the 32 sports that are not Olympic sports? I believe the phrase "Olympic recognised sport" is not consistent with 36 U.S.C. § 220506 nor with IOC policy. I also do not understand why we need two separate categories: the recently created Category:Olympic recognised sports and the long-standing Category:IOC-recognised international federations? Thanks, Racepacket ( talk) 06:08, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Bonjour It is very sad this debate. Be that Wikipedia always has to follow what says CIO on the non-recognized sports? After the Netball, it will be probably the women ski jumping ? I question requires to align the arguments on those of the Olympic committee. I support Laura . Thanks and Best regards -- Geneviève ( talk) 09:40, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
I don't know if anybody has made this point before but it's an interesting fact that although the IOC recognizes the world governing bodies of motor-cycling and powerboating the sports the federations govern can never be contested at the Olympics because they are in direct violation (no motor sports) of the Olympic Charter. Topcardi ( talk) 22:50, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
I have re-read the olympics.org website and they seem to break up their list of sports into two categories "official sports" and "recognised sports." We have U.S. laws governing the use of the word "Olympic." Would it be safer to for this WikiProject to adopt "IOC-recognised sports" as its naming convention? Thanks, Racepacket ( talk) 14:48, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
"Rule 52.4.2 of the Olympic Charter states that in relation to the Olympic Programme “Sports, disciplines or events in which performance depends essentially on mechanical propulsion are not accepted”. Following discussions on this subject in relation to the requests for certain sports to be admitted to the Olympic Programme, the Commission believed that a decision should be made by the IOC on the interpretation of Rule 52.4.2" [14]. Topcardi ( talk) 11:52, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
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User:Marylanderz nominated this article for GA about a month ago. I reviewed the article, and placed it on hold. Marylanderz has not edited Wikipedia in three weeks, so I don't know if he or she will be around to make revisions. I'm fully willing to go beyond the seven day mark with the hold, but as it stands right this moment, the article needs further work to satisfy GA. Notifying all WikiProjects which have banners placed on the article's talk page. Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 23:41, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
Olimpick Games redirects to Cotswold Games
I was wondering if it is more common a mispelling for Olympics, or for Cotswold...
76.66.192.73 ( talk) 05:21, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Olympics/Olympic Bids created to centralize the work around Bids for Olympic Games. Best regards; Felipe Menegaz 20:14, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi everyone. More of a multi-sport thing than an Olympics thing specifically: I've been doing work on listing the sports held at various multi-sport Games and thought that it was a good example of where a template could simplify things. Typically, I (and others) have been adding lists of the sports with links to the results pages and pictograms ( example here). The constant copying, pasting, and editing was tiring me out!
I have now created the {{ GamesSport}} template, which means that all you have to do is write in the sport and it's all done! Also, {{ GamesSport2}} is available to link directly to the results pages (i.e. not the sport) as I know that this system is widely in use. They should work on both the main Games articles and the Games edition articles. I think a link to the sport itself with a "details" link is more helpful for readers, but both ways are as valid as each other I suppose. Winter sports are largely absent, as are those which have no svg pictogram to link to. There are sure to be a couple of improvements which could be made but I think this could definitely make things easier for adding the sports to Asian/Commonwealth/South American Games pages. Sillyfolkboy ( talk) ( edits) Join WikiProject Athletics! 13:59, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm wondering about articles that promote from GA to FA, do we continue to list them on both the GA and FA list or should they only be listed on the FA list? I know that when they are promoted they are removed from WP:GA. The 1956 Winter Olympics is currently on both lists, I'm also attempting to push the Winter Olympics (which is current a GA) up to FA. It's not a huge issue in the overall scheme of things but I thought I'd ask. Thanks. H1nkles ( talk) citius altius fortius 20:11, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
FYI, {{ Olympic Oath}} has been nominated for deletion. 70.29.208.247 ( talk) 05:19, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Having taken the above article to good article reassessment a user is now insistent that the article (and therefore perhaps all/many in Category:Nations at the Winter Paralympics, Category:Nations at the Summer Paralympics, Category:Nations at the Winter Olympics and Category:Nations at the Summer Olympics) is not notable and has repeatedly placed a banner suggetsing merging with 1992 Winter Paralympics or possibly deleting the article. Some input from other members of the project upon the notability of this type of arfticle and what you believe should constitute a GA would be appreciated at Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Great Britain at the 1992 Winter Paralympics/1 - Basement12 (T. C) 11:47, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
A user moved this article to the title "United Arab Republic at the 1960 Summer Olympics", which one is better ? is it not better to use UAR instead of EGY for this year (also 1964 and 1968) ? -- Mohsen1248 ( talk) 07:48, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
There is discussion ongoing at Wikipedia_talk:BIO#RFC:_WP:Athlete_Professional_Clause_Needs_Improvement debating possible changes to the WP:ATHLETE notability guideline. As a result, some have suggested using WP:NSPORT as an eventual replacement for WP:ATHLETE. Editing has begun at WP:NSPORT, please participate to help refine the notability guideline for the sports covered by this wikiproject. — Joshua Scott (LiberalFascist) 03:11, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
Whilst the main discussion going on is on the notability of athletes, something that probably won't affect this project as all Olympians are deemed notable and this seems unlikely to change, there is also some detail on sports teams, seasons and matches contained within WP:NSPORT. My suggestion is that we try to have something like the following included;
For details on suggested content for the above article types see Wikipedia:WikiProject Olympics/Manual of Style.
Thoughts? Basement12 (T. C) 09:52, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone have anything else to add or can this now be taken forward to WP:NSPORT? Basement12 (T. C) 13:25, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
I've raised our ideas at Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)#Olympians - Basement12 (T. C) 15:05, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
On a related note (but in a subsection to keep this topic together), what notability do we expect for Youth Games athletes? My opnion is that this is not the highest level of amateur competition, and that medalists only (unless GNG is otherwise satisfied for specific people) would have biographic articles.
And what about summary style for the
2010 Summer Youth Olympics article? For the main Games, we have per-sport, per-nation, and per-event articles, but should the Youth Games have the same structure? I see that some sport and
nation articles are already being created. Will we have the same level of detail as the main Games? I wouldn't have thought so. —
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2008 Beijing Drum Tower stabbings is up for renaming again at WP:RM, see the talk page Talk:2008 Beijing Drum Tower stabbings
70.29.208.247 ( talk) 20:53, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Can someone help me on Wikipedia:WikiProject Olympics/Olympic Bids? Thanks; Felipe Menegaz 14:25, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Continuation of discussions at Template talk:Summer Olympic stadia and Talk:1900 Summer Olympics (possibly others as well). It may be helpful if User:Nipsonanomhmata could summarise the edits they wish to make for the benefit of anyone new to the debate. - Basement12 (T. C) 14:19, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Here is one reference to be getting on with. Journal of Olympic History, Volume 10, December 2001/January 2002, The 2nd International Olympic Games in Athens 1906, by Karl Lennartz.
I'll provide more references as required. Nipsonanomhmata ( talk) 13:54, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
This source whilst not necessarily entirely reliable seems to give the story of 1900 in the form that I have understood it. The IOC and de Coubertin wanted to hold the Games in Paris and drew up plans, schedules etc. to do so, the Exposition organisers then stepped in, took over the planning (scrapping the IOC plans in the process and stretching events over 5 months) and chose not to use the name "Olympic Games" in any of their published material (note it was not the IOC that chose not to use that term), instead preferring "Concours Internationaux d'exercises physiques et de sport" (as seen on the posters). All IOC material that I have seen (the Official Report was produced by the Expo organisers I believe) refers to Paris 1900 as an Olympic Games. Basement12 (T. C) 16:00, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Nipsonanomhmata has repeatedly used a reference to "Journal of Olympic History, Special Issue - December 2008, The Official Publichation of the International Society of Olympic Historians, p. 2" as an alleged source for the argument that the use of the phrase "second Olympic Games", in 1901, in reference to the planned intercalated 1906 games in Athens, is evidence for the non-olympic status of the 1900 Paris games [2]. I have repeatedly asked him to provide literal quotations from this 2008 article sufficient to demonstrate that the authors of the article are in fact proposing that argument (rather than just quoting the 1901 document for some other purpose). So far, he has failed to do so. I will remove all references to that source unless this demonstration is provided, given that the other source he used for the same contention (" Journal of Olympic History, Volume 10, December 2001/January 2002, The 2nd International Olympic Games in Athens 1906, by Karl Lennartz") also turned out not to support it. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:16, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Okay, since N. refuses to provide the requested quotations, I will assume that this 2008 article supports his claims just as much or as little as the 2002 Lennartz article. I will remove all references to this paper where it is used to support the – apparently purely WP:OR – claim that because somebody referred to 1906 as the "second Olympic Games Athens" we can can conclude that the 1900 games were not olympic. The first statement itself (that "second Olympic Games Athens" was used) is verifiable and can stay (with the Lennartz paper as reference); the false OR inference from it cannot. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:57, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
None of this shows that the IOC did not refer to them as Olympics, merely that the Exposition organisers didn't wish to do so. The Official report and all medals etc were and are produced by the organising committee of a Games and not the IOC themselves - in this case that was the Exposition oranisers. I've also requested deletion of the image you uploaded as it is non-free and should only be used in an article on the journal it depicts. Basement12 (T. C) 19:55, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
Nipson is still revert-warring at 1900 Summer Olympics, reinserting his OR speculation about the 1901 documents allegedly serving as evidence for non-olympic status of 1900 [6], and at Vélodrome de Vincennes [7], where he is removing any reference to the word "Olympics" (and incidentally also to the word "stadium"). This one of the worst cases of WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT that I've seen in a long while on this project. I really don't know what other form of dispute resolution with this person could be expected to be anything else but a waste of time. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:13, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
As far as I am able to tell Nipsonanomhmata's case rests entirely on a misinterpretation of the phrase 'The 2nd International Olympic Games in Athens 1906' and the fact that the 1900 Exposition organisers did not use the rterm Olympic Games. For this to be interpreted as the IOC not claiming the 1900 Games there would also need to be proof, from an IOC source, that they didn't claim the1900 and 1904 Games. Until such proof is provided, and I don't believe it will be, then Nipsonanomhmata's edit's should continue to be reverted as OR. Basement12 (T. C) 12:14, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
In fact, there are a lot of good reasons why it is important to note that the Games at the Paris Exposition in 1900 were not recognised as Olympic Games by the International Olympic Committee or Baron Pierre de Coubertin. Nipsonanomhmata ( talk) 20:20, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
The article at -> ISOH Journal <- about Athens 1906 is full of historical facts that make it absolutely clear that the IOC did not consider the Paris Exposition Games in 1900 to be Olympic Games. Whatever the IOC says today is not the same as what it said and documented in 1900 and 1901. That is a fact. And no historian can reasonably just cover up the fact that what the IOC says today contradicts what it said in 1900 and 1901.
REFERENCE A “Exposition Universelle Internationale de 1900 a Paris, Concours Internationale d’Exercices Physiques et de Sports, Rapports, publies sous la direction de M.D. Merillon, Tome II, Paris, Impremerie Nationale.”
A1. This is where all the sporting events of the Games at the Paris Exposition are described. There is not one single mention of “Olympic Games” throughout this volume. No mention on the cover and no mention in the text. No IOC rules or regulations are included. Clearly this was not intended to be an Olympic Games. It was not organised by the IOC. It did not come under the auspices of the International Olympic Committee.
A2. Baron Pierre de Coubertin was involved as the Secretary General of the U.S.F.S.A. and was not involved in any representative capacity of the International Olympic Committee. [A secondary reference for this is the Special Issue – Dec 2008 of the Journal of the Olympic History, published by the International Society of Olympic Historians]. No member of the International Olympic Committee represented the IOC at the Games of the Paris Exposition in 1900. The IOC’s involvement was prevented by M.D. Merillon (the man in charge of the Paris Exposition).
REFERENCE B “Exposition Universelle Internationaux de 1900 a Paris, Reglement Generale des Concours Internationale d’Exercices Physiques et de Sports, Paris 1900, publies sous la direction de M.D. Merillon, Impremerie Nationale.”
B1. No mention of the International Olympic Committee in the invitations sent to all the countries and all the athletes to attend the Olympic Games. No IOC letter-head, no IOC auspices, no IOC representative, no IOC President.
REFERENCE B. Here are some examples from [8]:
C1. From the first paragraph of the first page of the article which is p. 10 of this particular ISOH Journal:
The title of the article is “The 2nd International Olympic Games in Athens 1906”. It is very clear what this article is about. It does not say the “The Intermediate Games of Athens 1906”. It does not say “The 1st Intercalated Olympic Games in Athens 1906”. It does not say “The Second Athenian Olympic Games”. It does not say “The 2nd Athenaic” or “Panathenaic” or “Hellenic” “Olympic Games. It says “The 2nd International Olympic Games in Athens 1906”. The IOC also considers that the 1st International Olympic Games in Athens 1896 to be the 1st International Olympic Games (in the IOC’s “official” version of history). The title by itself says that no International Olympic Games was held in Paris in 1900 (i.e. none that were under the auspices of the IOC).
C2. That same first paragraph also says that it was not till 1948 that the IOC decided to change its own version of history and call the 1906 Athens Olympic Games the “Intermediate” Games. That’s not a POV. It’s a fact.
C3. On p. 17 of the same article Baron Pierre de Coubertin published the program of the 1906 Athens Olympic Games published in the Revue Olympique. It also says:
"COUBERTIN could not simply leave out the IOC decision which the IOC requested all countries and associations which it cooperated to take part in the Games in Athens. He had, in accordance with the IOC’s mandate, written a letter to the countries and associations, pointing out the Games in Athens.”
The IOC invited countries to the 1906 Athens Olympic Games as part of the official IOC organisation and under the auspices of the IOC. This was not the case with Paris in 1900. See below for more details about Paris in 1900.
C4. On p. 20 (bottom left, last sentence) of the same article
“With all criticism of COUBERTIN – the 1906 Games had been named “real” Olympic Games by the IOC.”
C5. Further down,
“He briefly describes the magnificent opening ceremony and then adds that Count Eugenio BRUNETTA d’USSEAUX had represented him” [as official representative of the IOC].
C6. Last sentence of p. 20 and first of p.21:
“After having used a not quite understandable excuse in 1904 for not going to St Louis.” [there were no representative of the IOC at St. Louis and although COUBERTIN was head of the athletics (only) organisation (not cycling not football, not motorboating, not motor racing, not ballooning, not swimming etc) He was not there as a representative of the IOC since Paris 1900 was not under the auspices of the IOC.]
C7. On p. 22 first paragraph.
“MERKATI remarks that especially BALCK and GERHARDT were completely dissatisfied with the work done by the IOC. That they [, the IOC,] had taken part in Olympic Games is not in the least questioned by both.”
C8. On p. 25 Now, despite the IOC referring to the Athens 1906 Olympic Games as “International Olympic Games”. Coubertin, after his failure to get the IOC on top of the organisations in Paris and St Louis and Coubertin’s reluctance to have Athens 1906 under the auspices of the IOC. He refers to London 1908 as the “4th Olympics”. Interesting, that he jumps from “2nd International Olympic Games” to “4th Olympics”. From here on he had decided in his own mind that 1906 Athens was going to be overlooked and side-stepped as “Intermediate Games” at some point in the future. But this was done in retrospect. Despite the fact that previous plans for the Games in Paris in 1900 and St Louis in 1904, to come under the auspices of the IOC, had failed.
C9. On p. 26 top right first para. It is made absolutely clear that all the prominent scholars of Olympic history listed in the paragraph, consider the 1906 Athens Olympic Games to be an official “Olympic Games” without question and not “Intermediate Games” (despite the IOC’s current position which is not the same as it was between 1900 and 1906).
“It is also clear to many authors, who indulge in the study of the history of the participation of one nation in the Games that these, or any other teams, took part in the Olympic Games in Athens in 1906.”
C10. On p. 26 Abstract. This section discusses the split between IOC members of where future Olympic Games were to be held. Notably, the Americans wanted the Olympics to stay in Greece.
C11. On p. 27 Motion. The International Society of Olympic Historians recommended to the IOC to “include the Second International Olympic Games 1906 in Athens” in the IOC’s official list of Olympic Games. The current list does not. The list in 1906 did.
REFERENCE D. “Journal of Olympic History, Special Issue, December 2008, published by the International Society of Olympic Historians, ISBN 10855165.”
D1. This special issue dedicated solely to the Games at the Paris Exposition in 1900. Highlights some of the issues above and is a very good secondary reference. Nipsonanomhmata ( talk) 20:20, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
Again you aren't adding anything to this discussion just rehashing your same old points. I'm not saying anyone called them the 2nd Athenian Games just that they were called the second IOC Games in Athens - this still is not the same as saying second games overall. Even the source you have provided refers to 1906 as the 4th Olympic Games ( Journal of Olympic History, Volume 10, December 2001/January 2002, The 2nd International Olympic Games in Athens 1906, by Karl Lennartz page 10) On your second point - EXACTLY Coubertin would have been badly frustrated because he was not getting his way - his way and the IOC's way was the Games being run by the IOC; the IOC thought of the Games as Olympics and therefore wanted more control. If they weren't Olympics why did they bother to get involved at all? What you need to provide is an IOC source, an actual IOC produced source not one from the Exposition organisers (I may possibly accept significantly credible, unambigous secondary sources), that state that the IOC did not consider the 1900 Games to be an Olympics. Not merely a source that omits the word Olympics, not one that might be interpreted as counting 1906 as the 2nd Olympics, but one that actively states that 1900 (&1904 if you like) were not Olympics. Basement12 (T. C) 13:33, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
Another wall of text adding little to the discussion. Lets ignore any further talk of 1906 shall we, its not relevant to the 1900 discussion. All of this is still just an omission of the term Olympic Games, mostly due to the Exposition refusing to use the term. Nothing yet quoted or provided shows that the IOC did not consider an Olympic Games to have taken place. You've provided two non-exellent sources neither of which anyone else has seen and given your previous misinterpretation and misquoting of sources I for one am not prepared to accept anything from on good faith. What can we agree on? The IOC did not have control over the Games. They did not fund them. They did set up a committee and the Exposition committee hijacked the plans and ran things themselves. To me this is no different to the modern Games in which the host city is responsible for the organising committee that plans events and funds the Games. The Baron sent out the invitations to the events, this would not have happened in the same way without his input; even if the Exposition organisers did not see him as acting on behalf of the IOC and the Olympics. This is worth a mention in relevant articles but the way you have been putting the idea forward seems to suggest that the IOC had no intention of staging an Olympics in Paris at the same time as the Exposition with a similar programme of events to that which occured. Basement12 (T. C) 15:44, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
I've nominated the image Josh Sundquist (alpine skier from the United States pictured at the 2006 Paralympics in Torino) as a Featured picture candidate, but it seems to have some problems with the copyright. Could someone here who has an email they use as a wikipedia user, be willing to confirm the copyright, maybe email the image uploader, or add to the discussion in other ways, at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Josh Sundquist. Bib ( talk) 18:12, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Neil Brooks/archive1. Gold medallist swimmer from Australia. YellowMonkey ( vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 01:18, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
Does WikiProject Olympics use a bot that automatically places the {{ WikiProject Olympics}} template on the talk page of articles in certain categories, such as for example the Xenobot and some other bots do? If not, could it be arranged? If so, could the Paralympics task force be added, with |Paralympics=yes for the articles in Paralympics categories? Bib ( talk) 22:05, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
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22:58, 10 June 2010 (UTC)I had already expressed my concern last year on using Olympic flags for some countries in all 1980 Summer Olympics-related articles, even for competitions, were athletes wore uniforms with their national flags (as approved by images from official report provided by me). That was ignored, I don't see neither flags changed nor even notes of the fact that competitors wore uniforms with national flags attached. Although once again, sources were provided, and I don't know what is needed more than this.
And now it's another "top". Total and individual scores provided by me from official reports with scoring system explanations were removed completely and replaced by totals only with no explanations, in gymnastics at the Olympics articles. Let's compare for women's team competition at the 1980 Olympics: earlier (see women's events section), now. The same is for 1976: earlier, now. What's the aim of the project? To write short stubs, rather than articles, at least for some topics? Cmapm ( talk) 09:59, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
What should be done about these two navboxes?
They have an almost identical layout and that will confuse readers/editors. What's your say? Parutakupiu ( talk) 19:18, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I wanted to bring to the attention of this WikiProject the 2010 Central American and Caribbean Games Article. The games will be held in Mayagüez, Puerto Rico, from July 17, 2010 to August 1, 2010. There is lots to be done, especially related to the following red linked articles; please see if you can contribute in any way:
not much can be done here since the games have not started but at least the article can be started;
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thanks in advance. El Johnson ( talk) 18:39, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
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This gold-medal winning swimmer from 1980 is at FAC. Many thanks YellowMonkey ( vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 00:24, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
I recently made a template ( Template:GamesSport) which can list a competition's sports somewhat automatically. Having discussed this at Talk:2010 Commonwealth Games#Link_to_the_games_sport_page_vs_sport_page, I recommend that we use a similar system on the Olympic pages. This style clarifies what the links actually link to, and inserts a little, visually descriptive pictogram at the same time. Furthermore, I've been using this template on other "games" pages as I think it greatly simplifies the task of creating these sports sections. Sillyfolkboy ( talk) ( edits) Join WikiProject Athletics! 10:01, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I wanted to bring to the attention of this WikiProject the 2010 Central American and Caribbean Games Article. The games will be held in Mayagüez, Puerto Rico, from July 17, 2010 to August 1, 2010. There is lots to be done, especially related to the following red linked articles; please see if you can contribute in any way:
thanks in advance. El Johnson ( talk) 18:39, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
FYI - I have nominated 27 list articles related to Olympic sailors for deletion. Since this is the most applicable WikiProject for such articles, I thought I'd let you know in case you'd like to contribute to the discussions here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of sailors at the Summer Olympics. Thanks. SnottyWong confabulate 23:08, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
I'm wondering if there is any consensus on how to treat the men's road cycling events between 1912 and 1932? Individual articles indicate they were held as time trials; however, {{ Footer olympic champions road cycling men}} includes their winners amongst the road race winners and List of Olympic medalists in cycling (men) treats the 1924 edition as a road race. I've already asked at Talk:Cycling at the Summer Olympics but with no answers I guess nobody watches that page. Severo T C 12:32, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
A FAC has been started for this Australian Olympic gold-medal winning swimmer of 1980 YellowMonkey ( vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 01:29, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
A recent (anonymous) edit to the Athletics at the 1936 Summer Olympics page changed the medal total for Canada from 3 to 6 bronze medals. How are we counting medals in these tables? The lists show that Canada won bronze in three events, but one of those events was a relay with four medal winners. So does the relay count as one medal, or four? PaulGS ( talk)
Athletics at the 2010 South American Games – Women's 4 x 400m relay has been nominated for deletion. You can join the discussion here. Lugnuts ( talk) 19:08, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
A FAC has been started for the Australian Olympic gold-medal winning relay team of 1980 YellowMonkey ( vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 00:55, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
{{ Infobox Country Youth Olympics}} {{ Infobox Youth Olympics Great Britain}}
Hi, as the Youth Olympic Games are about to formally commence in a few days, I think that we should create separate per-country infoboxes for the Youth Olympics. This is in line with the per-country infoboxes used in the Olympics and Paralympics. I've decided to be bold and create the two templates on the right as samples. The first (template location here) is the central template used as a foundation for the per-country infoboxes. I have created a country infobox for Great Britain (template location here). I'm seeking approval for this action. If approved, I'll replicate the Great Britain infobox for all other countries (Algeria... Zimbabwe). Any comments? Best, ANGCHENRUI Talk ♨ 08:11, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
This looks very nice, but I also have concerns about YOG notability. We'll see how much coverage they get in a couple weeks, but I don't think every participant/event should necessarily automatically have articles and the detail used elsewhere. Reywas92 Talk 16:56, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
It's a bye then to Template:Infobox Youth Olympics Great Britain? (Proposed deletion) ANGCHENRUI Talk ♨ 04:45, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
Hello, I am from Canada and am interested to contribute to articles related to Canadian participation in the games. I have noticed that page Canada at the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics includes links to particular sports and these links are called '<SPORT> at the 2010 Youth Summer Olympics' while number of actual pages created for Canada and other countries are called as '<SPORT> at the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics'. Before starting to contribute to the content I wanted to know community’s opinion on pages naming standard instead of doing redirects or editing all/some links. I wanted to start from fencing, for instance, and found a stub page that demonstrates the situation Fencing at the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics. Please let me know your opinion. Thank you. No troll ( talk) 17:34, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
I have a question which came up after Darius Dhlomo ( talk · contribs) added Netherlands at the 2010 European Championships in Athletics on my watchlist to Category:2010 in the Netherlands. The 2010 European Athletics Championships were staged, however, in Spain, not in the Netherlands, which is why the parent article is in Category:2010 in Spain. Darius pointed me out to Argentina at the 1991 Pan American Games being categorised in Category:1991 in Argentina, but this makes just as much sense as my Netherlands in Spain example. The 1991 Pan American Games took place in Cuba, so why is this categorised as "in Argentina"? We wouldn't categorise Battle of the Somme in Category:1916 in the United Kingdom because the event happened in France – so why is this done with athletics teams? Any insight and explanation would be appreciated. Jared Preston ( talk) 12:01, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
Hi, input is needed into the following discussion:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style#Athletics_race_distances —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.183.171.61 ( talk) 17:55, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Hello. I would like some input from participants of this project on an issue that has come up. User No troll has raised a concern on my talk page regarding the use of "boys" and "girls" over "cadet male" and "cadet female" in the article namespace for Fencing events at the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics. I had originally moved these articles with the intention of conforming with the terminology of other events in the Games. In the interest of saving space, I point you to my talk page, which I have linked above, to see the specifics of his comments. I would like to ask this project whether "boys" and "girls" are appropriately used as is, or whether they should be changed into something more "professional" such as "men" and "women" currently used in other Olympics articles. Thanks for your input. — Arsonal ( talk + contribs)— 00:26, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Each navigational template is specific per sport and per Games, so all you need to do is change the links appropriately. I think though that we should wait for the YOG to be concluded before applying structural changes in these article series. Let the editing rush fade out... Parutakupiu ( talk) 15:01, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
Discussion can be found here. Lugnuts ( talk) 18:04, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
I suppose these results should be within specific sport articles? No troll ( talk) 17:50, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
Hi. The template, which appears on the talk pages of articles relating to the Olympics and Paralympics, asks for editors' help in adding full results for all editions of the Olympic Games. Might it also invite editors to add full results for all editions of the Paralympic Games? The pages on the Paralympics still need a lot of work in filling in results - a lot more so than pages on the Olympics. Raising their profile might help. Aridd ( talk) 17:00, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
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Hello. Quick question - what order should the medals go in the infobox for an individual? Should they be grouped together by year, then colour, or should all the golds be listed first, then silvers, etc? Lugnuts ( talk) 19:29, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
I've been checking through various articles with copyright infringements from this copyright investigation. Among them are Olympic athletics results articles (such as Athletics at the 1980 Summer Olympics – Men's 400 metres) which have sections of prose which is copied. However, the editor does not recall where he found the source. Does anyone here know of sources which cover this kind of Olympic material in such detail? I am presuming that the source will be from no more than one or two places as the descriptions are quite similar. The source will be American (given the spelling of favorite) and is a retrospective written after the event (i.e. not a contemporary report).
Finding these sources will not only enable us to remove the violations properly, but it means the sources can be used to write original material and can be linked to for reader reference. Any ideas anyone? The articles I've listed below all contain copyright violations and will likely account for roughly a quarter of the total problem articles when I've finished searching through the edits. Sillyfolkboy ( talk) ( edits) Join WikiProject Athletics! 12:09, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
It has been proposed that we mass blank articles using a 'bot. This is going to affect several biographies of olympians, as well as the articles mentioned above. For details, see the discussion. Uncle G ( talk) 12:25, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
We're now at the stage where the 'bot is ready to roll, and no-one has voiced an objection. (Indeed, to the contrary: Several people want to go further, and mass delete the articles.)
If the 'bot goes ahead, this will probably light up some people's watchlists like Diwali. Be warned. Uncle G ( talk) 04:33, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
I was looking around at some of the Olympic athlete pages like Apolo Ohno and Michael Phelps and I noticed how their navigation boxes at the bottom of the pages were kinda simple. I looked the Dutch version of nl:Bonnie Blair and I noticed how they had their boxes put into a surrounding "Olympic Champions" template. So I asked Nihiltres about making something of that sort and he/she thought it would be better if were a standardized system for all Olympic athletes first. And I thought there could be a way to include World, Pan Pacific, etc boxes into the system as well. Any thoughts? on camera (t) 23:38, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
The Beijing men's cycling road race finally has a full podium. Davide Rebellin, who originally finished second, was long since stripped of his silver medal, but third and fourth-place finishers Fabian Cancellara and Alexandr Kolobnev were sort of in limbo as to whether they'd get new medals. Per the source linked at the outset, they either already have (it's a few days old) or will very soon. How best to go about updating not only those riders' articles, but articles like Switzerland at the 2008 Summer Olympics and Russia at the 2008 Summer Olympics? I notice that the 2008 Summer Olympics medal table article considers, when a gold or silver medalist is stripped, that the new gold, or silver medalist has lost whatever medal they previously had. I find this a bit strange, since I highly doubt Cancellara has been (or will be) asked to give back his bronze medal. What should the medals table for his nation's article show? Kolobnev is a bit simpler, since he didn't win any medal in 2008, but it probably should still be noted that his bronze came about at the disqualification of another athlete. Further, for Cancellara, is the Category:Olympic bronze medalists for Switzerland no longer applicable? Green-eyed girl ( Talk · Contribs) 20:29, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
A brand new medal winners list to add to the collection. Feel free to jump in, if interested! -- Another Believer ( Talk) 23:48, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
As I was looking through the proposal for a WikiProject Commonwealth Games, it struck in my mind that a WikiProject coordinating all the articles on multi-sport events would be a better idea. As you can see here and here, there are numerous multi-sports events in existence today, not to count a few I know of that isn't in those lists. Many of these articles are in a sorrowful state, with no direct coverage by any WikiProject (WikiProject Sports is too broad). The Commonwealth Games can be a task force under this WikiProject. As for the Olympics — it certainly is significant enough to stand on its own. It'll just be related to the new WikiProject. Any comments/support? I am willing to develop the WikiProject, if its approved. Cheers, ANGCHENRUI Talk ♨ 10:24, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Update Following the proposal at WikiProject Council, the WikiProject has now been set up ( here). We are seeking more participants; if you are able to and wish to commit, you can always sign up at the project page! Thank you. ANGCHENRUI Talk ♨ 10:01, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
FYI, there is a proposal to create a WP:WikiProject Commonwealth Games, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Commonwealth Games.
76.66.200.95 ( talk) 05:32, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm thinking of getting List of 2010 Summer Youth Olympics medal winners to FL-status. The only thing bogging it down is the number of red-links present in the article. My idea is to remove the links where it is red (non-existent article). However, WP:OLYCON has a convention on links for every athlete listed in competition results. Of course, I'm not sure if it applies in this case since we are looking at the Youth Olympics and not the senior Olympics. I also had a chat with Dabomb87, the FL director, who commented on removing the links; he had no objection to it. Should I go ahead and remove the red-links? There's no way an article inked almost everywhere in red would pass FLC. ANG CHENRUI WP:MSE ♨ 05:31, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
There is no Outline of the Olympics.
To create one, click on the redlink above and add this line:
{{subst:BLT|the Olympics|The Olympics}}
Then press Save page and start adding relevant subheadings and links.
For the whole set of outlines on Wikipedia, see Portal:Contents/Outlines.
For a relevant discussion see: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Birds/archive 40#What do you think about making an Outline of Birds?
Here's the outline they created: Outline of birds.
The Transhumanist 20:41, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
How do I add the IOC code of RAU to the above template for the 1960 Summer Olympics? IE {{flagIOC|RAU|1960}}. Thanks. Lugnuts ( talk) 10:17, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
{{
flagIOC|EGY|1960 Summer}}
. The RAU country code can be displayed ih the infobox, which I have just added. —
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This is an RFC opened in response to a deletion discussion regarding the events of the Youth Olympic Games, which was closed as no consensus, in order to determine whether such events are notable enough to have their own articles. All comments are welcome. :| TelCo NaSp Ve :| 06:04, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Notice placed at Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports). -- Tryptofish ( talk) 16:11, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
There was a previous discussion of how WP:NSPORT should be applied, at Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)/Archive 6#Youth Olympic Games. -- Tryptofish ( talk) 16:14, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Please note the discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Asian Games.
65.93.12.43 ( talk) 07:29, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Hello. Can anyone explain, why is the flag of United German team used during 1968 Games? To my mind, there should be the flag of the German Democratic republic -- VovanA ( talk) 20:05, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
International Olympic Movement has been prodded for deletion... maybe it should redirect somewhere? 64.229.101.17 ( talk) 06:26, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
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{{ NPCin1984WinterParalympics}} was nominated for deletion. 65.94.45.209 ( talk) 12:45, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Quick question. I am working on Olympic venues from the first Olympics in 1896 at Athens to the 2016 Games in Rio. Do we want them all on the list of Summer Olympic, Winter Olympic, and overall venues even though the names of the venues may change for the 2012 London, 2014 Sochi, and 2016 Rio games between now and when they host the games? Please advise. Chris ( talk) 15:36, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be an article at 2020 Winter Youth Olympics ? According to the 2016 Winter Youth Olympics article, several cities have moved bids from 2016 to 2020. 65.94.71.179 ( talk) 03:12, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
The Official Vancouver 2010 site has moved all its pages, with all its results, to http://72.35.10.20/. Bib ( talk) 11:02, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
Discussion can be found here. Lugnuts ( talk) 15:11, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
this maybe of interest to people here. Lugnuts ( talk) 18:48, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, merci -- Geneviève ( talk) 18:18, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Hey, anyone here can provide a standard format for creating a calendar? because i have issue here, which related also. Standardize will help the dispute. Thank you. -- Aleen f1 08:29, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
Bonjour Aleen, good work but I have no idea for calendars. -- Geneviève ( talk) 12:56, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
Do we have a policy for empty Country at Year Olympic Games articles? I see absolutely no reason to keep empty articles like Haiti at the 1995 Pan American Games, Haiti at the 1999 Pan American Games, and Gambia at the 1988 Summer Olympics. When a country did not win a single medal and has few athletes, there is no need for a separate article. It's highly unlikely they will ever be expanded (and our concerns should be elsewhere), and those with only a couple competitors should be merged. I would really like these substubs to be redirected, but I didn't want backlash if I did it myself. Reywas92 Talk 22:17, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
I and Intoronto1125 ( talk · contribs) have disagreement over the calendar, as he keeps the word "ceremonies" centralise, while i prefer to keep all the events standadize, on left. What he does is undo with no reason or nonsense reason. Some links he gave in User talk:Nlu#Calendar format have all but one only centralised, yet still he claim i'm wrong and he is right. So, now i want every opinion from members or editors to standardize the calendar. Thank you. -- Aleen f1 15:40, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
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Opinion: First, let me note by way of background that the issue here is a template–related one, i.e. whether the word "Ceremonies" should be centered or left-aligned as if it was a sporting event, in various calendar templates coming under the purview of this project. A good list of examples of the various templates involved can be found at User talk:Nlu#Calendar format. Second, the rule at Wikipedia is that each article and template stands alone unless there is consensus to make a rule or guideline requiring them to be uniform. No such consensus exists in this case, as far as I can tell. That means that until such consensus is reached that it is inappropriate to insist on making the templates uniform, and repeated insertions and reversions doing so are particularly inappropriate. Third, it is my opinion that the word "Ceremonies" should be left-aligned and not be centered, but I want to emphasize that that's just my personal preference based on the notion that the ceremonies are, when all is considered, just another event at the games. It's also my opinion that all the calendar templates should be uniform, as that contributes to the appearance of Wikipedia. |
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Why wouldn't you want the text left-aligned? It looks better to my eyes. It is completey irrelevant that the ceremonies aren't "events". But center-aligned text looks worse than left-aligned (or right-aligned as appropriate) if the strings are of arbitrary length. Best to keep center-alignment used only for numbers of the same order of magnitude. So with that in mind, I would also suggest left-alignment for the "Venues" column. The zig-zag edge of text with center-alignment looks silly. — Andrwsc ( talk · contribs) 19:53, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
-- Aleen f1 10:21, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
Opinion: I, personally, like it better when everything is in the "align=left" column, there is no need to center the word ceremonies. Kante4 ( talk) 19:31, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
Then why is it that a majority of calendars have the word ceremonies centralized? Intoronto1125 ( talk) 21:11, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
I was asked to comment since I made the most recent Winter Olympics calendar, but to be honest, I just copied it from the last one. I never gave this issue much thought, and don't have an opinion now. Lampman ( talk) 10:14, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
I am the original author of the first template in this series, and, as such, recently received a message asking for my input here. In all honesty, I do not have any pre-existing views on whether or not we center the ceremonies entry. I do, however, strongly support the move for uniformity across all templates in this category. — C M B J 11:22, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
A bit late, but I also prefer them all to be left-aligned. My reasoning is that, if the word "ceremonies" were centralised, then it looks like a sub-heading, with all of the sports as items under that sub-heading. Because this isn't true, we need to keep the formatting consistent. Bluap ( talk) 01:03, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
Which template is officially use for Olympic Games, {{ OlympicEvent}} or {{ GamesSport}}? Since {{ OlympicEvent}} use for 2008 Summer Olympics and looks pretty good, why not for 2012 or more? -- Aleen f1 17:43, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
Should we split volleyball into two articles for the Olympics (beach and indoor) or leave them together? For the Pan American Games, Lusophony Games and the recent Asian Games they were split in two. Intoronto1125 ( talk) 23:27, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
Feel free to help fill in Template:Student athlete by adding new articles or creating articles for redlinks.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 19:01, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
I'm really confused about this category's scope. Category's description says "This category contains articles about past and present Olympic sports and links to the categories for those sports", but it also contain recognized sports. I think there should be two different categories, one for actual Olympic sports and other for recognized sports as according to IOC's definition "Olympic sports" and "recognized sport" are completely different terms, following this we can't place them together. Bill william compton Talk 05:43, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
A recently discussion Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Women's Sport. Your opinions and your advice are welcome. -- Geneviève ( talk) 23:08, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
Check WP:NFCC. All opinions welcome. Thank you. walk victor falk talk 19:27, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
There are 200 articles in Category:Nations at the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics which also have the “year in country” category eg Category:2010 in East Timor. But they should also have a classification in the Sport category for that country eg Category:Sport in East Timor which I added to that article. But most of the 199 articles do not have this third category. I don’t think they belong in the Olympic subcategory Category:East Timor at the Olympics, or do they? Hugo999 ( talk) 05:31, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
I wanted to let everyone know on the project that I am retiring from Wikipedia. This has nothing to do with policy, other users, or Wikipedia itself. My personal priorities have changed in the fact that I am engaged to be married later this year along with a job-related exam in October.
For those who were involved with me during the 2010 Winter Olympics, 2008 Summer Olympics, the list of Olympic venues, and the sports of bobsleigh, canoeing, cross-country skiing, luge, Nordic combined, skeleton, and ski jumping, thank you for your assistance with this.
Citius, Altius, Fortius Chris ( talk) 14:37, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
What is our policy regarding pictograms that are used as icons to represent individual sports? I understand that they are useful at international competitions where people with many different languages congregate. However, different games have adopted different designs. For example, the official website for the the 2010 Commonwealth Games used different pictograms than those used on 2010 Commonwealth Games#Sports. When we add pictograms to a Wikipedia article, do we have some obligation to tie them back to a reliable source?
This has arisen most recently with the file File:Netball pictogram.svg which was drawn by a Wikipedia editor but featured prominently in Netball and Netball and the Olympic Movement. Displaying a user-created pictogram suggests an Olympic status for Netball that is perhaps grander than the facts. If Netball becomes an Olympic sport in the future, how does Wikipedia know what its pictogram will be? Isn't this original research? I appreciate the time taken to draw this graphic, but what is its factual basis? Racepacket ( talk) 13:03, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
Bonjour I am very Sorry Racepacket but I do not like your comparisons. I quote you...Suppose I developed a pictogram that was silly - for example showing an athlete scratching himself - would I be allowed to put it into the infobox, or would my pictogram be original research? Be it of the good humor of your part ???? I don't know. And I do not want to make of personal attacks towards you. Do you are incensed against articles of Netball ??? (see also the another discussion in Wikipedia RfC). Please you should read this page Harassment and to act correctly with fair-play in Netpall articles. Thank you so much of your understanding, I love you Racepacket (you are a good person) but I don't like your comments: Sometimes by write with the humor, we can hurt the other persons ( Can be sometimes in a involuntary behavior). I do not want to hurt you but I want to be honest with you. Je suis désolée, je vous remercie de votre compréhension, je ne doute pas de votre bonne volonté, Best regards -- Geneviève ( talk) 15:53, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
The pictograms used for sports in the Summer Paralympic Games are the Official icons from Beijing 2008,
available on commons. The Winter sports however, have icons that looks like the Beijing icons, but are created by user(s). Maybe the official sports icons that were created for each specific Olympic/Paralympic year could be added to articles, which would mean alot of fair use images.
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I was also of the opinion that the icons were purely decorative, as nothing official could be used due to copyright. Whilst I like them in various places, for example the navboxes and in the "Nation" by "year" article headings (places where fair use on the official logos could not be reasonably claimed), I guess we really have no justifiable reason for using them at all so displaying them in places like Athletics at the Summer Olympics could give the wrong impression. Perhaps it would be best to do away with them altogether in deference to WP policy - though on a personal level i'd hate to see this happen. Also, whilst File:Athletics - Paralympic pictogram.svg etc may be the official logos of the organizing committee, are they offical as far as the IOC are concerned? And are they really free to use? - Basement12 (T. C) 01:26, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
This seems like a breech of WP:OR. We can't make stuff up Gnevin ( talk) 20:56, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
I don't know about consensus Racepacket, because I don't see the harm in using pictograms for any sport what-so-ever. Plus, from what I've read about original research, these pictograms DO NOT violate that policy. They are just that. Pictograms. Now arguments can be made about the title of a certain article, or it's content misleading a reader into believing a sport is part of the Olympics, but I don't see how the pictograms alone can mislead a reader into thinking that. I, for one, would like to see those pictograms continued to be used, whether they are part of the Commonwealth Games, Asian Games, Olympic Games, or any other multi-sport event.-- Perakhantu ( talk) 06:29, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
I removed the icon from the templates ( Template:Infobox Olympic sport and Template:Infobox Paralympic sport) is there consensus for further removes such as Template:Olympic Games Rugby Gnevin ( talk) 00:09, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
I have reviewed WP:MOSICON and read that guideline has prohibiting the use of large icons in sport articles when the icon is used to suggest a connection with the Olympics. How do other people read it? Thanks, Racepacket ( talk) 17:39, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
In completing the FAC for the 1956 Winter Olympics a concern was raised that the event calendar was not compliant with the access guidelines of the MOS. The issue revolved around the calendar's reliance on color and how that would impact our color blind readers. The discussion is at the bottom of this page. Has there been any consideration given to this issue in the past? Is anyone aware of remedies that would be easy to implement? Other articles like the '56 Winter Games will be moving to FA consideration and it would be good to have this concern addressed. Thank you for any thoughts you may have. H1nkles ( talk) citius altius fortius 19:18, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
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There are a number of sports that are Olympic recognised sports but not competed for in the Olympics. This isn't my area of expertise. It would be really great if we could have some assistance in terms of how to organise articles related to that, consistent spelling and punctuation for the term. I've created Category:Olympic recognised sports as a short term solution for the Netball at the Olympics article. (That was created because our Olympic section was getting rather long. While the information is important, it best fits on its own article instead of on the main one.) -- LauraHale ( talk) 04:34, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
Bonjour, for me, the title Netball at the Olympics is very good: simple and Clearly on the question treaty. Bonne chance -- Geneviève ( talk) 19:32, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
I'm okay with the article needing a name change. I just did not know what to name it as the sport is Olympic recognised but there was no style guide for how to handle Olympic recognised sports, nor how to categorise them. Obviously the sport hasn't been played at the Olympics and prior to this, there appeared to be no need to address how to handle sports recognised but not competed for. I was hoping that the style guide would have information on that topic or some option could be offered for how to deal with those sports in the future. I thought about Netball as an Olympic sport but there appears to be contention around the identification of netball as an Olympic sport. -- LauraHale ( talk) 21:12, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
There is a major conceptual problem here. The International Olympic Committee recognizes International Federations and not particular sports. (Some International Federations govern multiple sports, and the IOC evaluates the quality of the International Federation rather than any particular aspect of the underlying sports. For example, the IOC could not care about the fitness level required to play, but cares about the quality of the Anti-Doping program. So when the IOC "recognized" the IFNA, it was not recognizing netball as a sport or making a commentary one way or the other about whether netball was a "worthy" sport. The phrase "Olympic-recognized" may be an attempt to add glamor to 32 sports such as Sumo Wrestling, Korfball, Mountaineering, Powerboating, and Wushu. So, the phrase "Olympic-recognized sport" makes no sense. So, perhaps the article should be merged into the "International Federation of Netball Associations" and the discussion of the IOC's recognition of the IFNA incorporated there. Thanks, Racepacket ( talk) 04:50, 26 March 2011 (UTC) Please see Talk:International Federation of Netball Associations#Merger_Proposal
Assuming hypothetically that there are "recognized sports" (which I now doubt), would the correct phrase be "IOC recognized sport" just as the phrase is "IOC recognized international federation", not "Olympic recognized international federation." I read the Olympic charter as recognizing federations, not sports. But if for some reason I was wrong, why would the phrase be "Olympic recognized sport?" Racepacket ( talk) 22:01, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
Can we please develop a consensus on how to treat the 32 sports that are not Olympic sports? I believe the phrase "Olympic recognised sport" is not consistent with 36 U.S.C. § 220506 nor with IOC policy. I also do not understand why we need two separate categories: the recently created Category:Olympic recognised sports and the long-standing Category:IOC-recognised international federations? Thanks, Racepacket ( talk) 06:08, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Bonjour It is very sad this debate. Be that Wikipedia always has to follow what says CIO on the non-recognized sports? After the Netball, it will be probably the women ski jumping ? I question requires to align the arguments on those of the Olympic committee. I support Laura . Thanks and Best regards -- Geneviève ( talk) 09:40, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
I don't know if anybody has made this point before but it's an interesting fact that although the IOC recognizes the world governing bodies of motor-cycling and powerboating the sports the federations govern can never be contested at the Olympics because they are in direct violation (no motor sports) of the Olympic Charter. Topcardi ( talk) 22:50, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
I have re-read the olympics.org website and they seem to break up their list of sports into two categories "official sports" and "recognised sports." We have U.S. laws governing the use of the word "Olympic." Would it be safer to for this WikiProject to adopt "IOC-recognised sports" as its naming convention? Thanks, Racepacket ( talk) 14:48, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
"Rule 52.4.2 of the Olympic Charter states that in relation to the Olympic Programme “Sports, disciplines or events in which performance depends essentially on mechanical propulsion are not accepted”. Following discussions on this subject in relation to the requests for certain sports to be admitted to the Olympic Programme, the Commission believed that a decision should be made by the IOC on the interpretation of Rule 52.4.2" [14]. Topcardi ( talk) 11:52, 26 April 2011 (UTC)