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Hello, I've decided to start working on this list, and I was considering changing the table format. This is an example, I think it looks tidier and more professional, but I could go either way. Any opinions are welcome. Thanks, Scorpion 0422 01:57, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
Okay, how about Option C? One of my concerns with the list was that it was a bit of a pain for anyone who wanted just a straight up list without the individual medalists, and I believe option C helps solve that. The negative is that anyone who wants to use ctrl-F to find a player would have to open all of the collapsed headers. Thoughts? -- Scorpion 0422 15:14, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
Also, I am working on a Triple Gold Club FT (the TGC is a term used to describe hockey players who have won the Stanley Cup, an Olympic gold and a World Championship gold) and I need some opinions on what the scope should be. There are three possibilities:
Thoughts? -- Scorpion 0422 18:20, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi all,
Perhaps this belongs at WP:OLYMOSNAT's talk page, but I thought I would mention here that I've created event tables for the winter events that are similar to the Summer tables implemented for the 2008 'Nation' pages. They are on my user page.
I was hoping to start implementing them on Torino articles over the next weeks/months, if others agree that they are correct and appropriate. Also, it would make our setup for Vancouver easier to have them done now.
There are only a few areas where I was uncertain:
a) Snowboarding, all the events are in separate tables, since they are not similar in format at all, but I am not sure if this can be streamlined at all.
i)I'm not sure how to properly classify half pipe results; I've used a strike through to indicate the qualifying run that doesn't count, but I'm not sure how to rank the second qualy run. Right now, I'm assuming it's a totally different run and treating the top scorer at the end as #1, etc.
ii) Should PGS results be presented, as a total time between two runs, or each run separately?
b) Speed Skating, the 500m uses two separate races, while the others are just a single race, is this level of detail useful? I included it, but it does add a couple of unfortunate-looking lines
c) Ice Hockey, there are no box-score templates, this is not under the purview of WP:OLY, and I will take it up with the Ice Hockey project to create one.
d) Nordic Combined, I have called the time difference between runs 'deficit', but I'm not sure whether this is the proper name to use.
I do not have tables at this precise moment for the SS Team pursuit and the C-C Sprints, but those should be forthcoming soon.
I have probably missed some other obvious things, so please take a look, thanks :) Edged ( talk) 05:16, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
I have just finished reading some of the discussion on the previous string regarding the Ice Hockey Olympic Medalists list. Andrwsc brought up a very compelling topic that I think should be further discussed. That being the emphasis this project places on Featured Lists vs. Featured Articles. He describes the natural tendency to go for lists as "low hanging fruit", which I think is a great visual. There are currently 8 FAs on the project's main page (with Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games being a bit of a stretch but whatever) as opposed to 15 FLs. I would like to propose a general effort and emphasis be placed on improving articles to FA (or at least GA) vs. the current emphasis that seems to be placed on FLs. Of course FLs are good, they add to the project, I'm not criticizing the work that has been done. But since the foundation of Wikipedia are its articles, I think the Olympics project would benefit immensely from an intentional push to improve its articles. Foundational articles such as Ancient Olympics, Summer Olympics, Winter Olympics, Youth and Paralympics are great places to start. Many of the (year) Summer/Winter Olympics ( 1996 Summer Olympics for example) are in desperate need of work. Even getting them to GA status would be an improvement. FA of course is the goal but most editors don't have the time to invest in getting an article to that level. What do you think? Am I off base in my assessment of the situation? I know I stand with all of you in wanting to make this project better, especially as we build to the next Games in 2010. We have a year before the world once again turns its attention to us. Why not take the time to really improve these articles? I welcome your thoughts. H1nkles ( talk) 19:22, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
I fully support that. I like working on articles but I stick with lists because I suck at writing prose (and I don't have the patience for some of the research). My feeling, however, it not necessarily that articles vs. lists is the question. I root for bettering the more vital topics, whatever type of page it is, though they do tend to be articles: What Andrwsc pointed out. I can't help too much in writing the articles, but I can surely help review them, etc. Reywas92 Talk 20:37, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
These are all excellent thoughts, and I fully support doing what you're good at/passionate about. I know I'm much better at working on things I love vs. things I'm not excited about. For me, working on formatting tables, code, etc. is akin to nails on a chalk board, but I'm good at writing - though my time for research is extremely limited (as is everyone's). I like Andrwsc's priority ranking and I feel like that is a good place to start. I was also leaning towards concentrating on the Winter Olympic articles in preparation for 2010. One point of discussion that will need to be addressed is the format for the 46 individual Games articles. What main headings does each one require? Currently they are all over the map. I think a separate discussion string should be started for that. At any rate, the Olympic Games article is at FAC right now. I think a fantastic goal would be to create a Featured Topic for the Olympic Games with at least all the foundational articles listed. Since we have a lot of list people active at the project could you folks look at those foundational articles and see what lists could be added? I think each FA requires a list. Any good reviewers, like Reywas92, who can give suggestions for making those articles better, please do a review and list suggestions on the article's talk page - I'll be happy to go through them and make corrections. A combined effort will lighten the load and hopefully help prevent burnout. H1nkles ( talk) 21:17, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
I've created a couple of tables showing where our important articles are in terms of grade here. It shows the #1, #2, and #3 categories listed above. Not precisely pretty, I guess. I'm thinking many of them could use an assessment, as they probably haven't been graded in a while ( Olympic Games ceremony, for example, just went from Start to GA in one step). -- Jonel ( Speak to me) 05:07, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
Winter Olympic Games |
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Olympic flame at
Turin during the 2006 Winter Olympic Games. |
Games |
1924 •
1928 •
1932 •
1936 • 1952 • 1956 • 1960 • 1964 • 1968 • 1972 • 1976 1980 • 1984 • 1988 • 1992 • 1994 • 1998 • 2002 2006 • 2010 • 2014 • 2018 • 2022 |
Sports ( details) |
Alpine skiing • Biathlon • Bobsleigh • Cross‑country skiing • Curling • Figure skating • Freestyle skiing • Ice hockey • Luge • Nordic combined • Short track speed skating • Skeleton • Ski jumping • Snowboarding • Speed skating |
What does anyone think of adding an infobox/template like this to the top of Winter Olympic Games page? I'm still working on it, but that's basically what it would look like (can anyone think of anything else that could be added?) -- Scorpion 0422 16:31, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
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Would anyone object if I merged the List of Olympic medalists in cross-country skiing (women) and List of Olympic medalists in cross-country skiing (men) together. Neither is particularily long (18,492 and 25,106). In terms of medals given out, a combined list would be shorter than the speed skating list (which is 58,624), although there are more events. -- Scorpion 0422 20:39, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
{{
flagIOCmedalist}}
to render the flag/name/nation on two lines in per-sport per-Games tables (such as on
Athletics at the 2008 Summer Olympics), and using {{
flagIOCathlete}}
to render the same on one line, in tables that have hundreds of entries, where the two-line format would double the size of already-long lists. Are you suggesting we unify these? I'm not sure that is a good idea. —
Andrwsc (
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Olympic sport | |||
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Ice Hockey | |||
Governing body |
International Ice Hockey Federation | ||
Since |
1920 Summer Olympics Since 1924 Winter Olympics | ||
Events | Men's tournament (since 1920) Women's tournament (since 1998) | ||
Most medals |
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Games | |||
1920 • 1924 • 1928 • 1932 • 1936 • 1948 • 1952 • 1956 • 1960 • 1964 • 1968 • 1972 • 1976 • 1980 • 1984 • 1988 • 1992 • 1994 • 1998 • 2002 • 2006 • 2010 | |||
Medals awarded | |||
Gold | Silver | Bronze | Total |
24 | 24 | 24 | 72 |
Medalists |
I tried a FTC for the Triple Gold Club with just the lists and, as I thought, it's not going well. So, I've decided to start working on Ice hockey at the Olympic Games (and Ice Hockey World Championships). I have most of the history section done (I just need 1984-1994) and it's got a basic overview, but it's still missing some of the more minor details. I also think it mentions Canada a bit too much (although that is kind of unavoidable) and strays a bit too far into IIHF/Worlds territory at times (again, kind of unavoidable if you want a full history). If anyone could take a look at it, I'd appreciate it. Also, I've been considering adding an Olympic sport infobox. Like the one on the side here. Please note that I was in a rush when I did it, so it's not perfect, but it's basically what I'm after.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Scorpion0422 ( talk • contribs) 16:11, 2 March 2009
I'm now done with the major expansion (except the lead) and now it just needs clean up. The page could easily be split into sections like "Rule changes", "tournament formats" and "status of professionals", but I thought it would be best to start off with everything in the history section. Does anyone think such sections would be needed? -- Scorpion 0422 18:51, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
Can some members please comment? I want to start implementing this, but I would like some feedback first. -- Scorpion 0422 15:49, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Subst:User:Scorpion0422/Page of messin' around Part V How is this then? -- Scorpion 0422 19:02, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Update A "Inception as an Olympic sport" section was added and I reworked it and included "men's tournament" and "women's tournament" sections which summarize the events as well as the various tournament formats. Does everyone like it? I'm still unsure if I should add "status of professionals" as it's own section, because I kind of prefer having it chronologically. I also removed some of the casual mentions of Canada. -- Scorpion 0422 20:04, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone else have any comments on a template? If it is going to be used on every sport page, I would like as much project input as possible. -- Scorpion 0422 14:27, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
Could the color combinations in the templates such as the following Template:Footer 1956 Olympic Champions Basketball Men be fixed. It is very hard to see what the hell is written at the headers of these templates. Also see WP:Color if you have questions regarding the use of colors. -- Gman124 talk 05:13, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
I probably should have done this before, not halfway through, but I am informing you all that I have been moving all the sport at 2008 articles for individual events from using hyphens as separators to using en dashes as separators – i.e. from "Sport at the 2008 Summer Olympics - event" to "Sport at the 2008 Summer Olympics – event" ( Cycling at the 2008 Summer Olympics – Men's road race was moved earlier because of its featured article candidacy so that it could comply with the MOS). As these moves are being done to comply with the MOS, I don't think they are controversial, but if there are any issues, please leave them at my talk page. The hyphenated versions are still existing as redirects. Regards, Dabomb87 ( talk) 02:01, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
Looking through the archives, there doesn't seem to be resistance, and anyway, if you all ever intend to take these articles to FA, these articles would have to be moved anyway. I am doing the dirty work now and am making the entire format consistent. Dabomb87 ( talk) 02:04, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
{{
WaterPoloAt2008SummerOlympics}}
template. I was unable to locate these pages. I suspect that they never existed. --
Tcncv (
talk)
04:16, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
Question. This point was raised previously (possibly around the time of the last Olympics), and there was mention at the time of a bot being used to move these all. Did nothing come of this? Rambo's Revenge (talk) 23:51, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
Okay I think I've done all the 2006 Winter Olympics articles, fixed navboxes etc. I've definately done all of the category. I found some uncategorised ones too, which I moved and catergorised. Hopefully I got them all, but it's difficult to know. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 17:28, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
For anyone who may be interested, I pulled a list of all article space pages (excluding redirects) that have "Olympic" in their name, and placed the list here. Note that not all of these pages are related to the Olympics. This list can be extracted a and copied to Excel or your favorite text processing tool to allow you to search and filter the list further. -- Tcncv ( talk) 00:39, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
{{ OlympicSportHeader}} ( example of use here)
It's pretty simplistic because I figured not a lot of pages would use it, so I didn't bother doing anything fancy. If there is interest in adapting it for use on ALL sport by year pages like {{ Infobox Country Olympics}}, then I would be willing to try and adapt it. I decided not to add it to all pages and I'll let the regular editors of the other sport pages decide if they want to use it. -- Scorpion 0422 19:47, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
{{
Infobox Olympic event}}
for those pages, in addition to the per event pages (for example, on both
Swimming at the 2008 Summer Olympics and
Swimming at the 2008 Summer Olympics – Men's 400 metre individual medley). I think the navbox pair at the bottom of each per-Games sport pages (e.g. {{
EventsAt2008SummerOlympics}}
and {{
Olympic Games Swimming}}
) already serve the two directions we think people will navigate from those articles (i.e. to the same sport in a different year, or to another sport in the same year). I don't think anything needs to change for those articles. But as a top-of-page navigation box for the top-level "Sport at the Olympics" pages (only), it has merit! —
Andrwsc (
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19:58, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
New field. Add "|reclist=yes" ONLY if there is a list of records. Here are examples of the template:
Like I said above, I'll leave it to the regular editors of a page to decide if they want to use it (I just added the above ones as tests). Is anyone having problems with it? -- Scorpion 0422 16:27, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
I would like some input on the article because my goal is to take it to FAC soon and have it as the TFA at some point during the 2010 Olympics (preferably the opening day so that stability won't be as large of a concern). These are my concerns right now:
So any and all comments and opinions are welcome. Any comments on the format would be particularily useful. This is the "[sport] at the Olympics" for a current sport to make it to GA, so it could be used as a template and others could be modeled after it, which is why input would be nice. -- Scorpion 0422 21:58, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
In closing the article is supposed to reflect the very best articles in Wikipedia. This is a tall order, but a worthy goal to attempt to acheive. This article, if passed, will set the template for all other "[sport] at the Olympics" articles to follow. In that regard it is important that we get one to pass so that we can format every other article to that one. I'll go through your article and answer some of the questions you have. Good luck. H1nkles ( talk) 15:52, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
This is really subjective, one person will find it intuitive and comprehensive, while another will completely disagree. I think the format is fine. I think there are things that could be added but as far as a breakdown of the information, it flows nicely. I would consider further breaking down the women's tournament section. You have the men's tournament laid out over several periods. I know the women's tournament is still very young but I think to be consistent with the men's section you should have a summary of the process the IOC took to make the women's tournament and then break out the three tournaments from 1998–2006 in their own subsection. It is also more equitable to our female readers. I haven't read the article yet, just looking more at the format overall. Sections could be added but I'll address that later in your list of question. By the way there are several books on women in hockey. Here are a couple of examples, [2], [3], and [4]. I haven't read these but they should be a start.
Does the Miracle on Ice warrant its own section? Being an American, of course I would biasly say yes, but I want to be sure nationalism doesn't creep in. It has been listed as an epochal moment in hockey and Olympic history, but is it viewed that way from an international stand point? Would a British, or a Russian reader roll their eyes at the fact that this event gets its own section while the 1936 or 1952 upsets of Canada gets barely a mention (for example). I don't know how this event is perceived around the world, any comments on this would be instructive. H1nkles ( talk) 16:38, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
I think your information on the qualification breakdown for the 2010 Games should go under the Future Tournaments section as it is more specific to the 2010 Tournament rather than an overall qualification rules topic. The qualification rules seem fairly fluid from one Games to the next. Is there any reason for that? What were the qualification rules prior to 1976? That will be a glaring question in the minds of reviewers, can anything be added?
Add imperial conversions to the rink dimensions for the early Olympic hockey tournaments.
Steroid use rules would be a good addition given the hot topic that steroids are right now.
You wikilink rink twice in subsequent paragraphs, once is fine. H1nkles ( talk) 17:52, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
The issue of professionals at the Olympics was incredibly contentious through the 1980's. I think a section discussing this from the Hockey stand point would be constructive. The 1992 Dream team in basketball paved the way for professionals in other sports to play. I like your synopsis at the beginning of the "NHL Era" but a greater look at the history of professionalism as it relates to hockey would be good. The amateurism rules started to relax upon the retirement of Avery Brundage, he is turning over in his grave at what the Olympics have become. I will be making comments later on regarding references but I wanted to say that you're going to need more books, and a section on the history of professionalism in Olympic hockey might be a good place to add some book references. Here's a good source that I've used for other articles, [5]. H1nkles ( talk) 18:24, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
I think my statements above address this question. The interplay between the IIHF and NHL rules is a bit cumbersome but I think a necessary part of the article. You do draw heavily from the NHL, are there any other hockey leagues that have influenced the IIHF? You want to be careful not only with it being too nation focused but also too North Americancentric (my own wording). Are there European professional leagues or Russian leagues, that operate more like the Olympic tournament or have influence IIHF rule changes?
Another addition would be to look at how the qualification rules changed after the 1948 debacle between the two American hockey teams that both claimed to be representing the U.S. This must have been addressed in some way. This could be discussed in your pre-1976 qualification rules paragraph.
This source, [6] would be a good one to help bolster credibility in this section. It goes over a case in front of the Court of Arbitration for Sport regarding eligibility to compete for a national team. It interprets the IIHF by-laws on this issue. Side bar - it relates to Evgeny Nabokov (and I'm a Sharks fan) so it's of particular interest. The link above does not give the final decision, pages were omitted, but this link [7] (see the top of p. 243) gives a synopsis of the decision (which it calls a landmark decision regarding player eligibility). H1nkles ( talk) 19:38, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm sorry my friend but this section is going to hurt. Feel free to disagree with what I'm about to say, as a non-Canadian, I feel it is very Canada focused, especially the first half of the history section. Here's why and what I would do about it:
No question Canada plays a central role in Olympic hockey history and should be mentioned heavily in an article about the same, but as it currently stands you may have some trouble with NPOV issues. I would take a hard look especially at the early parts of the history section. You do address other powerhouses, like the Soviets, but it's not the same as the Canadian references, especially when it comes to secondary (more obscure) information such as the names of the Canadian clubs that played in the early Olympics, the 1964 World Championship controversy and the Lucky Loonie story. H1nkles ( talk) 20:38, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
Sorry to interrupt, this is all nice and very constructive but should you not continue this discussion at the article's talkpage? -- Tone 20:50, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
I have nominated List of Olympic medalists in ice hockey for featured list removal here. I think the names had to be checked. Kind regards Doma-w ( talk) 23:56, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
I just marked Infrastructure of the Rio de Janeiro 2016 Olympic bid for speedy deletion as blatant advertising. The article reads like ad copy, and it's all from one editor. ("Security and disaster-related risks for the event will be mitigated by the implementation of a comprehensive, yet unobtrusive and welcoming, security operation.") What's thinking on this? Flush as an ad, or try to fix the article? -- John Nagle ( talk) 04:33, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Resolute was kind enough to get an image of the medals from the 1988 games on display in Calgary. The set on the far left is the normal medal. Resolute told me: "The middle set shows curling and aerial skiing on the face, so those would be what the participants in the demonstration sports got, imo. The third set shows what appears to be braille on the front, but the 1988 Paralympics were held in Austria that year. If I remember correctly though, Calgary did featured some events for disabled athletes as demonstration sports. Perhaps that is the third set?"
So does anyone know what the other medals might be? Also, would someone be able to split up the image so that the various images can go in various places? Thanks, Scorpion 0422 20:36, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
I would like to propose a change in the title of Olympic bid-related articles. Moving from CITY-YEAR-Olympic bid (London 2012 Olympic bid) to CITY-bid for the-YEAR-SEASON-Olympics and Paralympics (London bid for the 2012 Summer Olympics and Paralympics or Sochi bid for the 2014 Winter Olympics and Paralympics). Showing the season and the Paralympic bid. Felipe ( talk ) 00:31, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
I think a good idea to open a vote with the suggestions. Felipe ( talk ) 02:25, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Can we declare CITY-bid for the-YEAR-SEASON-Olympics, the winning option? Felipe ( talk ) 17:00, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Is there any reason why these article should be tagged with the WPOlympics banner? Sillyfolkboy ( talk) 22:07, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Continuing with my recent Olympic hockey kick, List of Olympic ice hockey players for Canada.
I'd like to take it to FLC in the next few days, but there are some problems. The lead kind of lacks focus and I ran into some problems with the 1948 team because the IOC database includes all of the players from that team (even the five reserve players who didn't play) as medal winners but sports-reference and a book I'm using do not include the reserves amongst the medal winners. (To complicate matters, the IOC database doesn't include the reserve players on the 1936 team). Anyway, all feedback and opinions are more than welcome. I have no plans of doing this for every Olympic team. This was very time-consuming and I doubt I'd easily be able to find a book with complete roster information about any other team. It should be noted that I was originally going to include the women's teams, but I decided against it for now. I think it works best with just the mens team. -- Scorpion 0422 17:17, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
I need a source for statistics for the women's players at the 1998 Olympics. (I have 2002 and 2006 done). The closest I can find is a SI/CNN source but it's missing several important things, namely goalies, games played and 1/4 of the players. Hockey Canada is also drawing up blanks (I can find full stats for the 1998 4 nations cup and 1998 World Championships, but not the 1998 Winter Olympics... Go figure). If anyone can help me out (all I need is the source and/or info, I can do the table myself), I would greatly appreciate it. -- Scorpion 0422 21:56, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Update: The women have been added and the page has been moved back to List of Olympic ice hockey players for Canada. -- Scorpion 0422 15:17, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm starting to wonder wondering if I should split this page into lists for the men's and women's teams and I need opinions. kind of split on the issue, because having it all in one page is useful since both are for the same sport at the Olympics. However, the two are different disciplines with completely different rosters and no interlap. The List of Toronto Maple Leafs players doesn't include a list of Toronto Marlies players (in fact, I think you could make a better case for combining those two than these two). Because it's two seperate events the text really reflects that and jumps back and forth between them (especially in the the lead, you can tell that the summary of the women's event was just thrown in) and having seperate pages would allow both to have the proper attention they deserve. -- Scorpion 0422 23:33, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
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I have a proposal for splitting this overly long article here. I know there's been opposition against making subarticles before but I think to accurately reflect the topic of United States at the 2008 Olympics then this simply must be done. I believe the majority of people wouldn't be satisfied with such in-depth information on preliminary results, especially on events such as archery where the US best is an exciting quarterfinal and 9th place finish! I'd appreciate any more suggestions. Sillyfolkboy ( talk) 07:06, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
I am addressing issues put forth in the recent FAC review of the Olympic Games article. One suggestion was to remove the host cities table and replace it with prose. I'm not sure about this, though I see the merit as there is a List of Olympic Games host cities already. I'd like to get community input on this before I make a decision. I really like the table for whatever that's worth. If you would like to read the specific recommendation please go here [8] and scroll to near the bottom of the page. Thanks for your time. H1nkles ( talk) 20:24, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi all, just wanted to mention for anyone that was interested, or was working on 2006 Winter Olympics articles that, much to my joy, the LA84 Foundation has released the Torino Official Report only about a week or so ago. It's good to have a more official place to reference results, and this can replace a lot of dead links to the Torino 2006 website in a number of articles. Edged ( talk) 15:19, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
Just a heads up about this IAAF archive. These articles are just about perfect for sourcing if anyone wants to expand some athletes' articles. It's a broad selection (from the famous to the obscure) and even when not used for expansion they're a good read and a useful external link. I'll look to use some in the near future and I hope that others do too. The article on Liu Xiang is just one of many obvious possibilities for expansion. Sillyfolkboy ( talk) 23:51, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Hello everyone! I am going to propose changes in the template {{ Olympic bid}}, to provide more clarity, information and organization. I did tests without success, so I would like to present my ideas.
I would like to see comments, other suggestions and a prototypes later if someone can do. Regards; Felipe ( talk ) 19:50, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
year=
and season=
, instead of being compulsorily the first two inputed parameters. I adjusted all other instances along the template accordingly. I also renamed parameters for the deadlines and other dates, and introduced others, like "bid leader".Template:Summer Olympics was recently created, and is being used to replace Template:Olympic Games on all main Games pages. I think this looks terrible - check out the bottom of 1936 Summer Olympics#External links, for example, where we now have this oddball "pyramid" of a succession box (redundant, but that's another issue), followed by the new template, with its narrow width and different title colour, followed by the events navbox, which still has the same colours we use on all Olympic navboxes (and also does not force a narrow page width). The new navbox also forces the use of {{ olympic box start}} and {{ olympic box end}}. That technique was used by WP:FOOTY for some time, in the absence of a standardized way of navbox groups, but now that we have {{ Navbox with collapsible groups}} (for example), that technique is no longer preferred (and there has even been a recent WP:FOOTY discussion to align their old templates with the current standardized system used most everywhere else on Wikipedia). What is the improved value of these new navboxes? I see none. — Andrwsc ( talk · contribs) 17:16, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
I significantly prefer the original style as well. Not only is is the standard full width, it includes all Olympics. I see absolutely no reason why the orignal template should be split into summer and winter. People do want to be able to jump to both. I also think it is completely pointless to include dates up to 2052, even if grayed out. Reywas92 Talk 18:29, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
So is consensus to roll back for now? -- Tcncv ( talk) 01:25, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
I've just come around this issue during the current FAC, Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Cycling at the 2008 Summer Olympics – Women's road race/archive1. Can a list of sport results be copyrighted and if it is, how to address the fact that those appear in basically all event articles? Thanks. -- Tone 21:51, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Here's the link to the other posting of this: Wikipedia_talk:Copyright_problems#Can_sport_results_be_copyrighted? Reywas92 Talk 19:39, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
It is currently possible to browse all Olympic competitors for $COUNTRY and all Olympic competitors for $SPORT AT GAMES. It is not, however, possible to see all Olympic competitors for $COUNTRY AT GAMES or all Olympic competitors for $COUNTRY IN SPORT AT GAMES. I think the second one might be overkill in terms of the smaller sports, but I think it would be very useful to have a category to see all Olympic competitors for $COUNTRY AT GAMES. I know this would add a lot of categories to the structure, but this would be very useful, especially for the pre-2004 Olympics, when the $COUNTRY AT GAMES articles are mostly stubs. 141.151.145.252 ( talk) 01:15, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Here are the examples that were promised, but without the report, in which I would detail the functions and qualities. I have not time, so I decided to present the prototypes to you make your own conclusions. Regards; Felipe ( talk ) 19:07, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
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Olympic bid}}
template. Ditto the above comments on 100% width and leaving the year/game navigation open by default. --
Tcncv (
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04:57, 14 April 2009 (UTC)Here are examples with the suggested changes. And we need discussion about the templates {{ Olympic box start}} and {{ Olympic box end}}. Felipe ( talk ) 23:37, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
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Archive 5 | ← | Archive 8 | Archive 9 | Archive 10 | Archive 11 | Archive 12 | → | Archive 15 |
Hello, I've decided to start working on this list, and I was considering changing the table format. This is an example, I think it looks tidier and more professional, but I could go either way. Any opinions are welcome. Thanks, Scorpion 0422 01:57, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
Okay, how about Option C? One of my concerns with the list was that it was a bit of a pain for anyone who wanted just a straight up list without the individual medalists, and I believe option C helps solve that. The negative is that anyone who wants to use ctrl-F to find a player would have to open all of the collapsed headers. Thoughts? -- Scorpion 0422 15:14, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
Also, I am working on a Triple Gold Club FT (the TGC is a term used to describe hockey players who have won the Stanley Cup, an Olympic gold and a World Championship gold) and I need some opinions on what the scope should be. There are three possibilities:
Thoughts? -- Scorpion 0422 18:20, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi all,
Perhaps this belongs at WP:OLYMOSNAT's talk page, but I thought I would mention here that I've created event tables for the winter events that are similar to the Summer tables implemented for the 2008 'Nation' pages. They are on my user page.
I was hoping to start implementing them on Torino articles over the next weeks/months, if others agree that they are correct and appropriate. Also, it would make our setup for Vancouver easier to have them done now.
There are only a few areas where I was uncertain:
a) Snowboarding, all the events are in separate tables, since they are not similar in format at all, but I am not sure if this can be streamlined at all.
i)I'm not sure how to properly classify half pipe results; I've used a strike through to indicate the qualifying run that doesn't count, but I'm not sure how to rank the second qualy run. Right now, I'm assuming it's a totally different run and treating the top scorer at the end as #1, etc.
ii) Should PGS results be presented, as a total time between two runs, or each run separately?
b) Speed Skating, the 500m uses two separate races, while the others are just a single race, is this level of detail useful? I included it, but it does add a couple of unfortunate-looking lines
c) Ice Hockey, there are no box-score templates, this is not under the purview of WP:OLY, and I will take it up with the Ice Hockey project to create one.
d) Nordic Combined, I have called the time difference between runs 'deficit', but I'm not sure whether this is the proper name to use.
I do not have tables at this precise moment for the SS Team pursuit and the C-C Sprints, but those should be forthcoming soon.
I have probably missed some other obvious things, so please take a look, thanks :) Edged ( talk) 05:16, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
I have just finished reading some of the discussion on the previous string regarding the Ice Hockey Olympic Medalists list. Andrwsc brought up a very compelling topic that I think should be further discussed. That being the emphasis this project places on Featured Lists vs. Featured Articles. He describes the natural tendency to go for lists as "low hanging fruit", which I think is a great visual. There are currently 8 FAs on the project's main page (with Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games being a bit of a stretch but whatever) as opposed to 15 FLs. I would like to propose a general effort and emphasis be placed on improving articles to FA (or at least GA) vs. the current emphasis that seems to be placed on FLs. Of course FLs are good, they add to the project, I'm not criticizing the work that has been done. But since the foundation of Wikipedia are its articles, I think the Olympics project would benefit immensely from an intentional push to improve its articles. Foundational articles such as Ancient Olympics, Summer Olympics, Winter Olympics, Youth and Paralympics are great places to start. Many of the (year) Summer/Winter Olympics ( 1996 Summer Olympics for example) are in desperate need of work. Even getting them to GA status would be an improvement. FA of course is the goal but most editors don't have the time to invest in getting an article to that level. What do you think? Am I off base in my assessment of the situation? I know I stand with all of you in wanting to make this project better, especially as we build to the next Games in 2010. We have a year before the world once again turns its attention to us. Why not take the time to really improve these articles? I welcome your thoughts. H1nkles ( talk) 19:22, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
I fully support that. I like working on articles but I stick with lists because I suck at writing prose (and I don't have the patience for some of the research). My feeling, however, it not necessarily that articles vs. lists is the question. I root for bettering the more vital topics, whatever type of page it is, though they do tend to be articles: What Andrwsc pointed out. I can't help too much in writing the articles, but I can surely help review them, etc. Reywas92 Talk 20:37, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
These are all excellent thoughts, and I fully support doing what you're good at/passionate about. I know I'm much better at working on things I love vs. things I'm not excited about. For me, working on formatting tables, code, etc. is akin to nails on a chalk board, but I'm good at writing - though my time for research is extremely limited (as is everyone's). I like Andrwsc's priority ranking and I feel like that is a good place to start. I was also leaning towards concentrating on the Winter Olympic articles in preparation for 2010. One point of discussion that will need to be addressed is the format for the 46 individual Games articles. What main headings does each one require? Currently they are all over the map. I think a separate discussion string should be started for that. At any rate, the Olympic Games article is at FAC right now. I think a fantastic goal would be to create a Featured Topic for the Olympic Games with at least all the foundational articles listed. Since we have a lot of list people active at the project could you folks look at those foundational articles and see what lists could be added? I think each FA requires a list. Any good reviewers, like Reywas92, who can give suggestions for making those articles better, please do a review and list suggestions on the article's talk page - I'll be happy to go through them and make corrections. A combined effort will lighten the load and hopefully help prevent burnout. H1nkles ( talk) 21:17, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
I've created a couple of tables showing where our important articles are in terms of grade here. It shows the #1, #2, and #3 categories listed above. Not precisely pretty, I guess. I'm thinking many of them could use an assessment, as they probably haven't been graded in a while ( Olympic Games ceremony, for example, just went from Start to GA in one step). -- Jonel ( Speak to me) 05:07, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
Winter Olympic Games |
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Olympic flame at
Turin during the 2006 Winter Olympic Games. |
Games |
1924 •
1928 •
1932 •
1936 • 1952 • 1956 • 1960 • 1964 • 1968 • 1972 • 1976 1980 • 1984 • 1988 • 1992 • 1994 • 1998 • 2002 2006 • 2010 • 2014 • 2018 • 2022 |
Sports ( details) |
Alpine skiing • Biathlon • Bobsleigh • Cross‑country skiing • Curling • Figure skating • Freestyle skiing • Ice hockey • Luge • Nordic combined • Short track speed skating • Skeleton • Ski jumping • Snowboarding • Speed skating |
What does anyone think of adding an infobox/template like this to the top of Winter Olympic Games page? I'm still working on it, but that's basically what it would look like (can anyone think of anything else that could be added?) -- Scorpion 0422 16:31, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
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Would anyone object if I merged the List of Olympic medalists in cross-country skiing (women) and List of Olympic medalists in cross-country skiing (men) together. Neither is particularily long (18,492 and 25,106). In terms of medals given out, a combined list would be shorter than the speed skating list (which is 58,624), although there are more events. -- Scorpion 0422 20:39, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
{{
flagIOCmedalist}}
to render the flag/name/nation on two lines in per-sport per-Games tables (such as on
Athletics at the 2008 Summer Olympics), and using {{
flagIOCathlete}}
to render the same on one line, in tables that have hundreds of entries, where the two-line format would double the size of already-long lists. Are you suggesting we unify these? I'm not sure that is a good idea. —
Andrwsc (
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21:37, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
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Events | Men's tournament (since 1920) Women's tournament (since 1998) | ||
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1920 • 1924 • 1928 • 1932 • 1936 • 1948 • 1952 • 1956 • 1960 • 1964 • 1968 • 1972 • 1976 • 1980 • 1984 • 1988 • 1992 • 1994 • 1998 • 2002 • 2006 • 2010 | |||
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Gold | Silver | Bronze | Total |
24 | 24 | 24 | 72 |
Medalists |
I tried a FTC for the Triple Gold Club with just the lists and, as I thought, it's not going well. So, I've decided to start working on Ice hockey at the Olympic Games (and Ice Hockey World Championships). I have most of the history section done (I just need 1984-1994) and it's got a basic overview, but it's still missing some of the more minor details. I also think it mentions Canada a bit too much (although that is kind of unavoidable) and strays a bit too far into IIHF/Worlds territory at times (again, kind of unavoidable if you want a full history). If anyone could take a look at it, I'd appreciate it. Also, I've been considering adding an Olympic sport infobox. Like the one on the side here. Please note that I was in a rush when I did it, so it's not perfect, but it's basically what I'm after.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Scorpion0422 ( talk • contribs) 16:11, 2 March 2009
I'm now done with the major expansion (except the lead) and now it just needs clean up. The page could easily be split into sections like "Rule changes", "tournament formats" and "status of professionals", but I thought it would be best to start off with everything in the history section. Does anyone think such sections would be needed? -- Scorpion 0422 18:51, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
Can some members please comment? I want to start implementing this, but I would like some feedback first. -- Scorpion 0422 15:49, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Subst:User:Scorpion0422/Page of messin' around Part V How is this then? -- Scorpion 0422 19:02, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Update A "Inception as an Olympic sport" section was added and I reworked it and included "men's tournament" and "women's tournament" sections which summarize the events as well as the various tournament formats. Does everyone like it? I'm still unsure if I should add "status of professionals" as it's own section, because I kind of prefer having it chronologically. I also removed some of the casual mentions of Canada. -- Scorpion 0422 20:04, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone else have any comments on a template? If it is going to be used on every sport page, I would like as much project input as possible. -- Scorpion 0422 14:27, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
Could the color combinations in the templates such as the following Template:Footer 1956 Olympic Champions Basketball Men be fixed. It is very hard to see what the hell is written at the headers of these templates. Also see WP:Color if you have questions regarding the use of colors. -- Gman124 talk 05:13, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
I probably should have done this before, not halfway through, but I am informing you all that I have been moving all the sport at 2008 articles for individual events from using hyphens as separators to using en dashes as separators – i.e. from "Sport at the 2008 Summer Olympics - event" to "Sport at the 2008 Summer Olympics – event" ( Cycling at the 2008 Summer Olympics – Men's road race was moved earlier because of its featured article candidacy so that it could comply with the MOS). As these moves are being done to comply with the MOS, I don't think they are controversial, but if there are any issues, please leave them at my talk page. The hyphenated versions are still existing as redirects. Regards, Dabomb87 ( talk) 02:01, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
Looking through the archives, there doesn't seem to be resistance, and anyway, if you all ever intend to take these articles to FA, these articles would have to be moved anyway. I am doing the dirty work now and am making the entire format consistent. Dabomb87 ( talk) 02:04, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
{{
WaterPoloAt2008SummerOlympics}}
template. I was unable to locate these pages. I suspect that they never existed. --
Tcncv (
talk)
04:16, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
Question. This point was raised previously (possibly around the time of the last Olympics), and there was mention at the time of a bot being used to move these all. Did nothing come of this? Rambo's Revenge (talk) 23:51, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
Okay I think I've done all the 2006 Winter Olympics articles, fixed navboxes etc. I've definately done all of the category. I found some uncategorised ones too, which I moved and catergorised. Hopefully I got them all, but it's difficult to know. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 17:28, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
For anyone who may be interested, I pulled a list of all article space pages (excluding redirects) that have "Olympic" in their name, and placed the list here. Note that not all of these pages are related to the Olympics. This list can be extracted a and copied to Excel or your favorite text processing tool to allow you to search and filter the list further. -- Tcncv ( talk) 00:39, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
{{ OlympicSportHeader}} ( example of use here)
It's pretty simplistic because I figured not a lot of pages would use it, so I didn't bother doing anything fancy. If there is interest in adapting it for use on ALL sport by year pages like {{ Infobox Country Olympics}}, then I would be willing to try and adapt it. I decided not to add it to all pages and I'll let the regular editors of the other sport pages decide if they want to use it. -- Scorpion 0422 19:47, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
{{
Infobox Olympic event}}
for those pages, in addition to the per event pages (for example, on both
Swimming at the 2008 Summer Olympics and
Swimming at the 2008 Summer Olympics – Men's 400 metre individual medley). I think the navbox pair at the bottom of each per-Games sport pages (e.g. {{
EventsAt2008SummerOlympics}}
and {{
Olympic Games Swimming}}
) already serve the two directions we think people will navigate from those articles (i.e. to the same sport in a different year, or to another sport in the same year). I don't think anything needs to change for those articles. But as a top-of-page navigation box for the top-level "Sport at the Olympics" pages (only), it has merit! —
Andrwsc (
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contribs)
19:58, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
New field. Add "|reclist=yes" ONLY if there is a list of records. Here are examples of the template:
Like I said above, I'll leave it to the regular editors of a page to decide if they want to use it (I just added the above ones as tests). Is anyone having problems with it? -- Scorpion 0422 16:27, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
I would like some input on the article because my goal is to take it to FAC soon and have it as the TFA at some point during the 2010 Olympics (preferably the opening day so that stability won't be as large of a concern). These are my concerns right now:
So any and all comments and opinions are welcome. Any comments on the format would be particularily useful. This is the "[sport] at the Olympics" for a current sport to make it to GA, so it could be used as a template and others could be modeled after it, which is why input would be nice. -- Scorpion 0422 21:58, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
In closing the article is supposed to reflect the very best articles in Wikipedia. This is a tall order, but a worthy goal to attempt to acheive. This article, if passed, will set the template for all other "[sport] at the Olympics" articles to follow. In that regard it is important that we get one to pass so that we can format every other article to that one. I'll go through your article and answer some of the questions you have. Good luck. H1nkles ( talk) 15:52, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
This is really subjective, one person will find it intuitive and comprehensive, while another will completely disagree. I think the format is fine. I think there are things that could be added but as far as a breakdown of the information, it flows nicely. I would consider further breaking down the women's tournament section. You have the men's tournament laid out over several periods. I know the women's tournament is still very young but I think to be consistent with the men's section you should have a summary of the process the IOC took to make the women's tournament and then break out the three tournaments from 1998–2006 in their own subsection. It is also more equitable to our female readers. I haven't read the article yet, just looking more at the format overall. Sections could be added but I'll address that later in your list of question. By the way there are several books on women in hockey. Here are a couple of examples, [2], [3], and [4]. I haven't read these but they should be a start.
Does the Miracle on Ice warrant its own section? Being an American, of course I would biasly say yes, but I want to be sure nationalism doesn't creep in. It has been listed as an epochal moment in hockey and Olympic history, but is it viewed that way from an international stand point? Would a British, or a Russian reader roll their eyes at the fact that this event gets its own section while the 1936 or 1952 upsets of Canada gets barely a mention (for example). I don't know how this event is perceived around the world, any comments on this would be instructive. H1nkles ( talk) 16:38, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
I think your information on the qualification breakdown for the 2010 Games should go under the Future Tournaments section as it is more specific to the 2010 Tournament rather than an overall qualification rules topic. The qualification rules seem fairly fluid from one Games to the next. Is there any reason for that? What were the qualification rules prior to 1976? That will be a glaring question in the minds of reviewers, can anything be added?
Add imperial conversions to the rink dimensions for the early Olympic hockey tournaments.
Steroid use rules would be a good addition given the hot topic that steroids are right now.
You wikilink rink twice in subsequent paragraphs, once is fine. H1nkles ( talk) 17:52, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
The issue of professionals at the Olympics was incredibly contentious through the 1980's. I think a section discussing this from the Hockey stand point would be constructive. The 1992 Dream team in basketball paved the way for professionals in other sports to play. I like your synopsis at the beginning of the "NHL Era" but a greater look at the history of professionalism as it relates to hockey would be good. The amateurism rules started to relax upon the retirement of Avery Brundage, he is turning over in his grave at what the Olympics have become. I will be making comments later on regarding references but I wanted to say that you're going to need more books, and a section on the history of professionalism in Olympic hockey might be a good place to add some book references. Here's a good source that I've used for other articles, [5]. H1nkles ( talk) 18:24, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
I think my statements above address this question. The interplay between the IIHF and NHL rules is a bit cumbersome but I think a necessary part of the article. You do draw heavily from the NHL, are there any other hockey leagues that have influenced the IIHF? You want to be careful not only with it being too nation focused but also too North Americancentric (my own wording). Are there European professional leagues or Russian leagues, that operate more like the Olympic tournament or have influence IIHF rule changes?
Another addition would be to look at how the qualification rules changed after the 1948 debacle between the two American hockey teams that both claimed to be representing the U.S. This must have been addressed in some way. This could be discussed in your pre-1976 qualification rules paragraph.
This source, [6] would be a good one to help bolster credibility in this section. It goes over a case in front of the Court of Arbitration for Sport regarding eligibility to compete for a national team. It interprets the IIHF by-laws on this issue. Side bar - it relates to Evgeny Nabokov (and I'm a Sharks fan) so it's of particular interest. The link above does not give the final decision, pages were omitted, but this link [7] (see the top of p. 243) gives a synopsis of the decision (which it calls a landmark decision regarding player eligibility). H1nkles ( talk) 19:38, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm sorry my friend but this section is going to hurt. Feel free to disagree with what I'm about to say, as a non-Canadian, I feel it is very Canada focused, especially the first half of the history section. Here's why and what I would do about it:
No question Canada plays a central role in Olympic hockey history and should be mentioned heavily in an article about the same, but as it currently stands you may have some trouble with NPOV issues. I would take a hard look especially at the early parts of the history section. You do address other powerhouses, like the Soviets, but it's not the same as the Canadian references, especially when it comes to secondary (more obscure) information such as the names of the Canadian clubs that played in the early Olympics, the 1964 World Championship controversy and the Lucky Loonie story. H1nkles ( talk) 20:38, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
Sorry to interrupt, this is all nice and very constructive but should you not continue this discussion at the article's talkpage? -- Tone 20:50, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
I have nominated List of Olympic medalists in ice hockey for featured list removal here. I think the names had to be checked. Kind regards Doma-w ( talk) 23:56, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
I just marked Infrastructure of the Rio de Janeiro 2016 Olympic bid for speedy deletion as blatant advertising. The article reads like ad copy, and it's all from one editor. ("Security and disaster-related risks for the event will be mitigated by the implementation of a comprehensive, yet unobtrusive and welcoming, security operation.") What's thinking on this? Flush as an ad, or try to fix the article? -- John Nagle ( talk) 04:33, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Resolute was kind enough to get an image of the medals from the 1988 games on display in Calgary. The set on the far left is the normal medal. Resolute told me: "The middle set shows curling and aerial skiing on the face, so those would be what the participants in the demonstration sports got, imo. The third set shows what appears to be braille on the front, but the 1988 Paralympics were held in Austria that year. If I remember correctly though, Calgary did featured some events for disabled athletes as demonstration sports. Perhaps that is the third set?"
So does anyone know what the other medals might be? Also, would someone be able to split up the image so that the various images can go in various places? Thanks, Scorpion 0422 20:36, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
I would like to propose a change in the title of Olympic bid-related articles. Moving from CITY-YEAR-Olympic bid (London 2012 Olympic bid) to CITY-bid for the-YEAR-SEASON-Olympics and Paralympics (London bid for the 2012 Summer Olympics and Paralympics or Sochi bid for the 2014 Winter Olympics and Paralympics). Showing the season and the Paralympic bid. Felipe ( talk ) 00:31, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
I think a good idea to open a vote with the suggestions. Felipe ( talk ) 02:25, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Can we declare CITY-bid for the-YEAR-SEASON-Olympics, the winning option? Felipe ( talk ) 17:00, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Is there any reason why these article should be tagged with the WPOlympics banner? Sillyfolkboy ( talk) 22:07, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Continuing with my recent Olympic hockey kick, List of Olympic ice hockey players for Canada.
I'd like to take it to FLC in the next few days, but there are some problems. The lead kind of lacks focus and I ran into some problems with the 1948 team because the IOC database includes all of the players from that team (even the five reserve players who didn't play) as medal winners but sports-reference and a book I'm using do not include the reserves amongst the medal winners. (To complicate matters, the IOC database doesn't include the reserve players on the 1936 team). Anyway, all feedback and opinions are more than welcome. I have no plans of doing this for every Olympic team. This was very time-consuming and I doubt I'd easily be able to find a book with complete roster information about any other team. It should be noted that I was originally going to include the women's teams, but I decided against it for now. I think it works best with just the mens team. -- Scorpion 0422 17:17, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
I need a source for statistics for the women's players at the 1998 Olympics. (I have 2002 and 2006 done). The closest I can find is a SI/CNN source but it's missing several important things, namely goalies, games played and 1/4 of the players. Hockey Canada is also drawing up blanks (I can find full stats for the 1998 4 nations cup and 1998 World Championships, but not the 1998 Winter Olympics... Go figure). If anyone can help me out (all I need is the source and/or info, I can do the table myself), I would greatly appreciate it. -- Scorpion 0422 21:56, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Update: The women have been added and the page has been moved back to List of Olympic ice hockey players for Canada. -- Scorpion 0422 15:17, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm starting to wonder wondering if I should split this page into lists for the men's and women's teams and I need opinions. kind of split on the issue, because having it all in one page is useful since both are for the same sport at the Olympics. However, the two are different disciplines with completely different rosters and no interlap. The List of Toronto Maple Leafs players doesn't include a list of Toronto Marlies players (in fact, I think you could make a better case for combining those two than these two). Because it's two seperate events the text really reflects that and jumps back and forth between them (especially in the the lead, you can tell that the summary of the women's event was just thrown in) and having seperate pages would allow both to have the proper attention they deserve. -- Scorpion 0422 23:33, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
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I have a proposal for splitting this overly long article here. I know there's been opposition against making subarticles before but I think to accurately reflect the topic of United States at the 2008 Olympics then this simply must be done. I believe the majority of people wouldn't be satisfied with such in-depth information on preliminary results, especially on events such as archery where the US best is an exciting quarterfinal and 9th place finish! I'd appreciate any more suggestions. Sillyfolkboy ( talk) 07:06, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
I am addressing issues put forth in the recent FAC review of the Olympic Games article. One suggestion was to remove the host cities table and replace it with prose. I'm not sure about this, though I see the merit as there is a List of Olympic Games host cities already. I'd like to get community input on this before I make a decision. I really like the table for whatever that's worth. If you would like to read the specific recommendation please go here [8] and scroll to near the bottom of the page. Thanks for your time. H1nkles ( talk) 20:24, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi all, just wanted to mention for anyone that was interested, or was working on 2006 Winter Olympics articles that, much to my joy, the LA84 Foundation has released the Torino Official Report only about a week or so ago. It's good to have a more official place to reference results, and this can replace a lot of dead links to the Torino 2006 website in a number of articles. Edged ( talk) 15:19, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
Just a heads up about this IAAF archive. These articles are just about perfect for sourcing if anyone wants to expand some athletes' articles. It's a broad selection (from the famous to the obscure) and even when not used for expansion they're a good read and a useful external link. I'll look to use some in the near future and I hope that others do too. The article on Liu Xiang is just one of many obvious possibilities for expansion. Sillyfolkboy ( talk) 23:51, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Hello everyone! I am going to propose changes in the template {{ Olympic bid}}, to provide more clarity, information and organization. I did tests without success, so I would like to present my ideas.
I would like to see comments, other suggestions and a prototypes later if someone can do. Regards; Felipe ( talk ) 19:50, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
year=
and season=
, instead of being compulsorily the first two inputed parameters. I adjusted all other instances along the template accordingly. I also renamed parameters for the deadlines and other dates, and introduced others, like "bid leader".Template:Summer Olympics was recently created, and is being used to replace Template:Olympic Games on all main Games pages. I think this looks terrible - check out the bottom of 1936 Summer Olympics#External links, for example, where we now have this oddball "pyramid" of a succession box (redundant, but that's another issue), followed by the new template, with its narrow width and different title colour, followed by the events navbox, which still has the same colours we use on all Olympic navboxes (and also does not force a narrow page width). The new navbox also forces the use of {{ olympic box start}} and {{ olympic box end}}. That technique was used by WP:FOOTY for some time, in the absence of a standardized way of navbox groups, but now that we have {{ Navbox with collapsible groups}} (for example), that technique is no longer preferred (and there has even been a recent WP:FOOTY discussion to align their old templates with the current standardized system used most everywhere else on Wikipedia). What is the improved value of these new navboxes? I see none. — Andrwsc ( talk · contribs) 17:16, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
I significantly prefer the original style as well. Not only is is the standard full width, it includes all Olympics. I see absolutely no reason why the orignal template should be split into summer and winter. People do want to be able to jump to both. I also think it is completely pointless to include dates up to 2052, even if grayed out. Reywas92 Talk 18:29, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
So is consensus to roll back for now? -- Tcncv ( talk) 01:25, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
I've just come around this issue during the current FAC, Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Cycling at the 2008 Summer Olympics – Women's road race/archive1. Can a list of sport results be copyrighted and if it is, how to address the fact that those appear in basically all event articles? Thanks. -- Tone 21:51, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Here's the link to the other posting of this: Wikipedia_talk:Copyright_problems#Can_sport_results_be_copyrighted? Reywas92 Talk 19:39, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
It is currently possible to browse all Olympic competitors for $COUNTRY and all Olympic competitors for $SPORT AT GAMES. It is not, however, possible to see all Olympic competitors for $COUNTRY AT GAMES or all Olympic competitors for $COUNTRY IN SPORT AT GAMES. I think the second one might be overkill in terms of the smaller sports, but I think it would be very useful to have a category to see all Olympic competitors for $COUNTRY AT GAMES. I know this would add a lot of categories to the structure, but this would be very useful, especially for the pre-2004 Olympics, when the $COUNTRY AT GAMES articles are mostly stubs. 141.151.145.252 ( talk) 01:15, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Here are the examples that were promised, but without the report, in which I would detail the functions and qualities. I have not time, so I decided to present the prototypes to you make your own conclusions. Regards; Felipe ( talk ) 19:07, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
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{{
Olympic bid}}
template. Ditto the above comments on 100% width and leaving the year/game navigation open by default. --
Tcncv (
talk)
04:57, 14 April 2009 (UTC)Here are examples with the suggested changes. And we need discussion about the templates {{ Olympic box start}} and {{ Olympic box end}}. Felipe ( talk ) 23:37, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
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