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What are some opinions on the lists of possessions that appear in many character articles? To me, they appear to be glorified trivia sections. John Reaves 03:06, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
I just wanted to let everyone know that I taged all the book cover pictures that were not taged yet, as well as a lot more pictures. I hope that helps. Have a good day.-- C J King 20:11, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
These templates can be used to warn users about British and American English.
John Reaves 03:57, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
I was starting to completely rewirte this page over break, but as I start back at school tomorrow I may not have enough time to focus on this. See the details at Talk:Harry Potter fandom#Further thoughts and the draft page of the rewrite at Talk:Harry Potter fandom/Rewrite. I've taken care of the sections "fan sites" and "conventions" and would like to handle "podcasting" and, if nobody else wants to "music," but as for "fanfiction" and "roleplaying games," I'm not involved enough in those fields of the fandom to write well about them. This rewrite is in the hopes of proposing an easier way of maintaining the external links in the article. -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 05:26, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that some of our characters have been listed in cat 'Fictional English people', and cat 'Fictional British people'. They are all listed in cat 'HP characters', which is a sub cat of both the other two. Now, having every possible english or British fictional character as a direct member of 'english' or 'british' is just impossible. How many fictional characters are there? So they all ought only to be in a sub cat of either of those. Ok, they are, in 'hp characters'. The trouble with that, is that some HP characters are not English or even British. It seems to me the best quick fix is to delete all cat entries for HP characters into both of 'British' and 'english', but this still leaves some characters who are wrongly included. The difficulty is that dividing our characters by nationality is not very usefull as a brand new category. Sandpiper 11:57, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Hmm, sorry I didn't notice the above until the below came to light… :-/ -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 23:54, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't know where to propose this idea so I decide to talk to you. I have recently found this category in every character's article related to Harry Potter series and I see it such pointless information. Categories supply us the most remarkable characteristics, not a paragraph describing every minor detail about the character, and the "Fictional English people" one looks very crazy and sweeping. Thus I think we should remove this cat from all articles because it's really unnecessary. Moved from User talk:John Reaves. Originally posted by: Abelin C A usesobad
I'd suggest we transwiki all information at wikia:harrypotter:Harry Potter in translation series to Wiktionary, if there's consensus (and the energy) to do so. I don't think much of the Wikia HP site; it's not very well maintained. The info can of course remain there but I feel it belongs at a stronger source. -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 03:50, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Does anybody have a list of HP related categories?
John Reaves 09:18, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
From background below, the article has completely disappeared? Its not being hidden with those <-- > things. Can anyone point out/fix the problem? RHB 20:48, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Would we be able to semi-protect this article, to stop anonymous IPs editing it? I'm getting sick of these constant references to him being sodomised with broomsticks and having affairs with Barty and Bella. Michaelsanders 19:50, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Can I just point out the To Do list on the Harry Potter talk page. With that and a bit of prose checking/copyediting it should be good enough for FA. Thanks, RHB 13:11, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
This is, in part, a response to the discussion at the top of the page concerning the possessions lists that seem to work there way into HP articles. Would anybody be opposed to adding a section for Wand (i.e. length/wood type/core) and Pet(s) (i.e. Crookshanks, with a link to its article if it has one)? This would eliminate two pretty common things from the lists that aren't easy to work into the text. John Reaves (talk) 10:53, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Hey folks, while glacing through my favourite Harry Potter article, I noticed that the first reference in Horcrux had a quoted definition of "receptacle in which a Dark wizard has hidden a fragment of his soul for the purposes of attaining immortality.", with the reference provided as Author's website, Diary entry, Sept 29th. Of course, the current entry (December 19 at the time of this post) does not contain a definition of Horcrux, so I set about looking for a real citation and found this gem of a web page: [1] This message thread contains a record of many (if not all) of Rowling's updates to her web site. We can also try using the Wayback Machine, but this page should definitely help us to find a cached version of Rowling's page (however, the latest version is "Jun 02, 2006", so the Wayback Machine would have been useless here). This should help us find citations for other Harry Potter articles. -- Deathphoenix ʕ 03:14, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Removed cfdnotice, cfd has completed. -- Kbdank71 15:16, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Can someone stick a detailed FUR for this? Grab some ideas from other book covers if you need some help. Thanks, RHB Talk - Edits 22:14, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Someone insists on changing the JPG versionof the Hogwarts seal SVG version. The JPG version is obviously a better choice (as the SVG is bland and cartoonish). Does anybody know a way to circumvent the issue of "SVG superiority" and include the JPG instead? John Reaves (talk) 23:21, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi folks, I did a few maintenance tasks related to the HP watchlist, and among these was adding {{ HP-project}} to a whole bunch of talk pages to link them to the HP Wikiproject. Now, I'm not on the article assessment team, so I figured I wouldn't be in the position to make a judgement of these articles. Or rather, I'm too lazy to perform assessments, and I also made what might be a grossly stupid assessment of "NA" to the templates without really knowing where templates lie in the assessment scheme of things. FYI, I've summarised the articles I added to the Wikiproject below. Also, just a friendly reminder that if you see any articles related to Harry Potter, please add them to the HP watchlist. Thanks! :-) -- Deathphoenix ʕ 20:30, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Here are the ones I marked as "NA" (this includes templates, I'm not sure where templates lie in the assessment)
Here are the ones I didn't assess (ie, are left "Unknown")
-- Deathphoenix ʕ 20:30, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
I didn't even know it existed, but 209.244.188.194 has added a whole bunch of family members to the infobox on multiple character pages. I'm questioning most of the parameters now, like "eye color" and "hair color," which (though I can't find it now) Wikipedia policies on infobox suggest keeping only the most important information in an infobox, leaving out details exactly like those. I really like the WP Narnia infobox, and, though we'd need to adjust some stuff to make it fit for us, I wonder if we would consider remodeling. -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 04:56, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
family
" was inherited from {{
HP Elf Character}}, one of the several templates which were merged into {{
HP character}}. On
Template talk:HP character it explains,
family
: The family to which a house-elf belongs."Does anyone else think this article should be rated higher than 'B-Class'? John Reaves (talk) 18:49, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Does anybody think this is worth keeping around? It's hardly ever updated and not really useful. John Reaves (talk) 05:58, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
I have med all the book/film differences articles ( Differences between book and film versions of Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone, etc.) temporarily out of the main namespace, until we can cut down all the information and cite it. Then, it will probably be moved into the main film article. There was an AfD which only kept the articles for being torn between delete and merge. It was in August but I didn't learn of it until about a month ago, and I haven't really had the time to put any effort there. The pages can now be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Harry Potter/PS Differences or whatever the two-letter book abbreviation is. Hopefully we can work on getting this information back up soon -- I didn't want to delete because of all my research that went into this, but then again, it was my research. So it's a good reference personally, but not encyclopedically.
If we can also start to remove all links and references to these pages, that would probably be good. -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 05:41, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
I've restored the article back to the main articlespace. Since Fbv last had these articles redirecting to the main "book" article, I also did so since I'm not objecting to Fbv's decision to redirect the article (though not necessarily endorsing it), but at least now the article history is still in the main articlespace. As is normal for a usual merge and redirect result, I've left the talk pages intact (not redirected). Sorry for my testiness, but moving articles can take some effort to undo. What we do with these articles is up to us: As I usually note down when I close a keep or merge AfD (and as the AfD closer here noted), whether an article is kept or merged is a discussion that can be held outside of AfD. So let the discussions resume. :-) -- Deathphoenix ʕ 18:40, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Major apologies to Deathphoenix for making you undo all of that, and further apologies to the WP for the confusion in this whole matter. I had seen an overwhelming AfD with only a half !vote for keep, and then it was prodded, so I figured action was really geared towards getting it away. I have absolutely no idea how to cite this appropriately – besides the fact that it is really difficult to reference occurences in films (since you don't cite a time in the film that a scene appears), do you have to cite a source that analyzes the critical commentary? Is this in violation of WP:NOT#IINFO or WP:OR? I certainly am hoping not, but I had seen so many others speak to the contrary that I figured it was. Sorry for the mildly hasty action, and I do hope that we can keep the info! -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 22:41, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Ok, well… Sandpiper restored these pages, what action are we now going to take on them? We should try to make it among our top-priority articles to work on. -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 00:07, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Given that we now have a Good Article in Lord Voldemort (and a belated well done to Onomatopoeia for that), I think it would be a good idea to choose another article to rewrite in the same fashion (rather than either everyone running off and creating poor/unnecessary/contradictory rewrites, or the progressive desire losing momentum). And then, if that one works, choose another. Et cetera. Anyone have any suggestions? Michaelsanders 12:38, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
This issue has developed out of a comparatively minor one on the Deathly Hallows page. And since it is going nowhere there, it needs to be discussed here, separate from the original issue. So here it is.
What do we define as a Reliable Source for use in Harry Potter articles? Where do we draw the line between wiki-OR and expert-OR? And to what extent do we allow Speculation if we are not the ones speculating? Michaelsanders 21:18, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Regarding Template:Harry Potter characters, I moved Dumbledore and Snape to Main characters, besides Harry, Ron, Hermione and Voldemort. Hope no one has any objections. Pea ceNT 04:38, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello all, I know I've brought this up before, it's just that I started this a month and a half ago and haven't finished yet, due to being busy with school. I'm trying to rewrite Harry Potter fandom and so far, the parts that I've finished could easily be GA status. However, the Roleplaying, Podcast, and Music sections I haven't completed. You can see the rewrite page at Talk:Harry Potter fandom/Rewrite. I know a fair amount about Podcasts and Wizard rock, and if necessary I could write a section on them. But I honestly know nothing about the roleplaying aspect of the fandom, and for somebody to write that would be tremendously appreciated. You don't really have to know too much, just a basic knowledge, and be good at Googling for references -- that's all it takes, if you know something is true and have a decent idea where you can find information on it. If you want, you can go ahead and write Podcast and Music sections as well. (I've also created, but not written anything in, an "Iconic landmarks tours," referring to the tours that go through England and Scotland that point out locations for the films and the café were JKR wrote PS, etc., so working on that too would be great.) I just have a lot of work, and would love to see this finally get done! -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 04:42, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
I recently rewrote a lot of Ron Weasley to match the new, out-of-universe design on Lord Voldemort, but the Ron article is still a little lacking in stuff besides role in the book. With just a little more time we could get it up to GA level. -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 00:09, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm debating whether to send this article to AfD. When the proposal to create the article was tossed around, I was all for it, but now I'm seeing that, if an actor is only notable for small appearances in Harry Potter films, they probably don't pass WP:BIO. I don't think anybody on that page is currently notable elsewhere, so they wouldn't be lost if the article was deleted. Besides, they're all mentioned on the individual cast pages and List of Harry Potter films cast members. The article also posed some problems with having a plethora of FU images, which I eventually just got tired of and temporarily put comment markers around until something was figured out. Any thoughts on this? -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 22:53, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I have added NavFrames to {{ Harry Potter characters}}. Comments? John Reaves (talk) 09:41, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi, why is there no article about Mr Borgin? / 81.226.194.196 21:05, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Hey guys, Harry Potter fandom has been promoted to GA status! Thanks for your help with it! It's now currently in peer review. Any changes you can make to the article (specifically expanding the lead) would be most appreciated.
In the mean time,
Controversy over Harry Potter is a GA nom. This article was just listed as a GA!
Fbv
65
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And on a slightly unrelated note, let's offer our congrats to John Reaves, whose RfA was recently passed! -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 02:54, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
All of them (with the exception of Order of the Phoenix, which isn't out) are just mainly made up of lists. Has anyone played them enough to help clean them up? RobJ1981 14:17, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
It's been created again. I just checked WP:CRYSTAL and technically, since it's been announced, there's no problem with it. But there's not much to say, except that the trio will be back, and Heyman and Kloves are involved. Can we just move it into a subsection of the book article? Or do people think it should stay? -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 02:56, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Harry Potter fan art is up for deletion on Commons. Harry Potter Fan art. Bryan 12:24, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
This article's been nominated for AfD. Please check the article page, and then go over and assess neutrally whether it should keep or be deleted, or something else. What might be best is to source the page right now: note how the filmmakers use dates, and Jo checks them, and it is generally important. We don't need to up it to FA status, but at least show that it's worthy of keeping, in my opinion. -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 02:36, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
As there are so many links, i have created a starter disambiguation page for Harry Potter. Simply south 22:58, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Separately, i have put List of Harry Potter films cast members up for WP:RM. Simply south 23:24, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Well now that the Dates in Harry Potter article has been deleted, we no longer have any sort of traceability or reference anchors for any of the years provided in HP articles - birth years, etc. We only have a few Rowling-based anchor references (eg: Draco Malfoy's birthdate). Kids and vandals frequently randomly change birth years and such around to correspond with their own life events, and Internet trolls run around shifting and changing the years for fun, just to be an irritant. It will be difficult to defend any of the years without the analysis and anchors provided in the Dates article. We'll have to depend on an external source to provide that service now. If we cannot find a similar reliable source for Dates and Years in Harry Potter, then it doesn't seem to make sense any more to pretend that HP years are relevant in-universe or in the real world. We needed the Dates in HP article as an anchor to keep things from shifting, and for restoring the vandalized articles. The next hassle we will face is to cite sources for the hundreds of year-references currently provided in the articles. I would recommend that we just uniformly delete all references to fixed years in the HP articles, since we cannot cite an internal source or reference without engaging in a lot of original research and mathematical gymnastics, unless we find a reliable source that serves the same purpose. -- T-dot ( Talk | contribs) 10:04, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
She did, just not obviously, which is why it is helpfull to readers to list them. Don't you find it ironical that an article which talks about real-woeld happenings with regard to Hp, and provides a list which is more then a simple plot summary, gets dweleted 'because it is a plot summary'? Sandpiper 18:06, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Just as a personal note, can we please stop using the word "fancruft." It gives a negative connotation to saying that something I care about is not deemed appropriate here on the encyclopedia. If that's what you mean, then say it. But "fancruft" sounds more like knowing the exact hair length of Harry Potter, or the color socks he wore at his first day of Hogwarts, etc. Something that is even vaguely important within its context should at least be respected, even if other editors don't think an article about it belongs on Wikipedia. And dates are most definitely important to any story. -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 20:06, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Blood purity is up for deletion. John Reaves (talk) 23:16, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
I am petitioning to have this page altered to rmeove the restriction against using succession boxes for fictional characters. I think this group has an interest since several related pages for fictional characters are already using these boxes. Please Vote Here.-- Dr who1975 18:25, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
I've created {{ HPAFD}} so that current AfDs will now be placed on this talk page at the top (see the top of this page). That template currently transcludes Wikipedia:WikiProject Harry Potter/AfD. I was wondering what people would think if we deleted that project page and just automatically put all AfDs on the new template. We might also want to consider putting GA noms, DRVs, FACs, etc., in this noticeboard.
This could also be placed on your user or talk page, if you wanted. -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 21:01, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Hey all, Harry Potter fandom is almost all set to go to WP:FAC! There's just a few things left over from its peer review which I could use your assistance on, besides a general fresh eye on the article:
Best, Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 03:23, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know if the Wiki system can support a countdown timer for fixed future events that can be displayed on User pages and perhaps articles? I think it would be pretty cool if someone with the skills could set us up with a user template or something with a count-down timer for Midnight (GMT or user-selected time) July 13 for the OoTP film, and July 21 for the DH book. Just a thought. Or maybe it already exists and I have just not found it yet. -- T-dot ( Talk | contribs) 17:13, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Could we not have a part which lists the various incantations depicted in the book series,with a backgroung information on what the spell/incantation can do,with reference to which series in the books it appears in and what page.(Also maybe a bit on potions used with ingredients) Wongdai 10:46 11 April 2007, (UTC)
Dates in Harry Potter - I've recreated the article. I've done some major rewriting, and a lot of sourcing, and I've readded it to the main section because I think it's in good enough condition now to pass muster; however, I haven't reached the bottom yet, which consequently is still in bad shape. Please could you help if you get the chance? Michael Sanders 01:13, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
The appeal against deletion has now been settled as a relisting at AFD here Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Dates_in_Harry_Potter_(second_nomination) Sandpiper 20:36, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
URGENT: One of the justifications for deleting the Dates in Harry Potter article, raised by an outside admin, is that hardly anything linked to the Dates page, according to the What Links Here tool. Most of us know that virtually every article in the HP Project, that had an in-universe Date mentioned, was linked back to the Dates in Harry Potter page for reference as a reliable check. When the Dates article was deleted (first round), many well-meaning editors deleted the resulting red-links to the Dates page. The article has been re-established for the time being, and is now called "non-notable" because hardly anything links back there any more, and is subject to re-deletion. Please help with re-establishing the links to Dates in harry Potter on the character and events pages! -- T-dot ( Talk | contribs) 12:46, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Editors will be pleased to know that the Chronology of the Harry Potter stories AfD resulted in a healthy keep decision. Michael Sanders 19:09, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
See my comments on the Talk:Quidditch page, under Regional Teams. It seems to me that with the exception of the UK teams, that all of these are made up. There is no sourcing for any of them. What is the policy for inclusion of a team? Someone added another one just today. Tuyvan 05:54, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
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What are some opinions on the lists of possessions that appear in many character articles? To me, they appear to be glorified trivia sections. John Reaves 03:06, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
I just wanted to let everyone know that I taged all the book cover pictures that were not taged yet, as well as a lot more pictures. I hope that helps. Have a good day.-- C J King 20:11, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
These templates can be used to warn users about British and American English.
John Reaves 03:57, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
I was starting to completely rewirte this page over break, but as I start back at school tomorrow I may not have enough time to focus on this. See the details at Talk:Harry Potter fandom#Further thoughts and the draft page of the rewrite at Talk:Harry Potter fandom/Rewrite. I've taken care of the sections "fan sites" and "conventions" and would like to handle "podcasting" and, if nobody else wants to "music," but as for "fanfiction" and "roleplaying games," I'm not involved enough in those fields of the fandom to write well about them. This rewrite is in the hopes of proposing an easier way of maintaining the external links in the article. -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 05:26, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that some of our characters have been listed in cat 'Fictional English people', and cat 'Fictional British people'. They are all listed in cat 'HP characters', which is a sub cat of both the other two. Now, having every possible english or British fictional character as a direct member of 'english' or 'british' is just impossible. How many fictional characters are there? So they all ought only to be in a sub cat of either of those. Ok, they are, in 'hp characters'. The trouble with that, is that some HP characters are not English or even British. It seems to me the best quick fix is to delete all cat entries for HP characters into both of 'British' and 'english', but this still leaves some characters who are wrongly included. The difficulty is that dividing our characters by nationality is not very usefull as a brand new category. Sandpiper 11:57, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Hmm, sorry I didn't notice the above until the below came to light… :-/ -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 23:54, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't know where to propose this idea so I decide to talk to you. I have recently found this category in every character's article related to Harry Potter series and I see it such pointless information. Categories supply us the most remarkable characteristics, not a paragraph describing every minor detail about the character, and the "Fictional English people" one looks very crazy and sweeping. Thus I think we should remove this cat from all articles because it's really unnecessary. Moved from User talk:John Reaves. Originally posted by: Abelin C A usesobad
I'd suggest we transwiki all information at wikia:harrypotter:Harry Potter in translation series to Wiktionary, if there's consensus (and the energy) to do so. I don't think much of the Wikia HP site; it's not very well maintained. The info can of course remain there but I feel it belongs at a stronger source. -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 03:50, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Does anybody have a list of HP related categories?
John Reaves 09:18, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
From background below, the article has completely disappeared? Its not being hidden with those <-- > things. Can anyone point out/fix the problem? RHB 20:48, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Would we be able to semi-protect this article, to stop anonymous IPs editing it? I'm getting sick of these constant references to him being sodomised with broomsticks and having affairs with Barty and Bella. Michaelsanders 19:50, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Can I just point out the To Do list on the Harry Potter talk page. With that and a bit of prose checking/copyediting it should be good enough for FA. Thanks, RHB 13:11, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
This is, in part, a response to the discussion at the top of the page concerning the possessions lists that seem to work there way into HP articles. Would anybody be opposed to adding a section for Wand (i.e. length/wood type/core) and Pet(s) (i.e. Crookshanks, with a link to its article if it has one)? This would eliminate two pretty common things from the lists that aren't easy to work into the text. John Reaves (talk) 10:53, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Hey folks, while glacing through my favourite Harry Potter article, I noticed that the first reference in Horcrux had a quoted definition of "receptacle in which a Dark wizard has hidden a fragment of his soul for the purposes of attaining immortality.", with the reference provided as Author's website, Diary entry, Sept 29th. Of course, the current entry (December 19 at the time of this post) does not contain a definition of Horcrux, so I set about looking for a real citation and found this gem of a web page: [1] This message thread contains a record of many (if not all) of Rowling's updates to her web site. We can also try using the Wayback Machine, but this page should definitely help us to find a cached version of Rowling's page (however, the latest version is "Jun 02, 2006", so the Wayback Machine would have been useless here). This should help us find citations for other Harry Potter articles. -- Deathphoenix ʕ 03:14, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Removed cfdnotice, cfd has completed. -- Kbdank71 15:16, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Can someone stick a detailed FUR for this? Grab some ideas from other book covers if you need some help. Thanks, RHB Talk - Edits 22:14, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Someone insists on changing the JPG versionof the Hogwarts seal SVG version. The JPG version is obviously a better choice (as the SVG is bland and cartoonish). Does anybody know a way to circumvent the issue of "SVG superiority" and include the JPG instead? John Reaves (talk) 23:21, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi folks, I did a few maintenance tasks related to the HP watchlist, and among these was adding {{ HP-project}} to a whole bunch of talk pages to link them to the HP Wikiproject. Now, I'm not on the article assessment team, so I figured I wouldn't be in the position to make a judgement of these articles. Or rather, I'm too lazy to perform assessments, and I also made what might be a grossly stupid assessment of "NA" to the templates without really knowing where templates lie in the assessment scheme of things. FYI, I've summarised the articles I added to the Wikiproject below. Also, just a friendly reminder that if you see any articles related to Harry Potter, please add them to the HP watchlist. Thanks! :-) -- Deathphoenix ʕ 20:30, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Here are the ones I marked as "NA" (this includes templates, I'm not sure where templates lie in the assessment)
Here are the ones I didn't assess (ie, are left "Unknown")
-- Deathphoenix ʕ 20:30, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
I didn't even know it existed, but 209.244.188.194 has added a whole bunch of family members to the infobox on multiple character pages. I'm questioning most of the parameters now, like "eye color" and "hair color," which (though I can't find it now) Wikipedia policies on infobox suggest keeping only the most important information in an infobox, leaving out details exactly like those. I really like the WP Narnia infobox, and, though we'd need to adjust some stuff to make it fit for us, I wonder if we would consider remodeling. -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 04:56, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
family
" was inherited from {{
HP Elf Character}}, one of the several templates which were merged into {{
HP character}}. On
Template talk:HP character it explains,
family
: The family to which a house-elf belongs."Does anyone else think this article should be rated higher than 'B-Class'? John Reaves (talk) 18:49, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Does anybody think this is worth keeping around? It's hardly ever updated and not really useful. John Reaves (talk) 05:58, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
I have med all the book/film differences articles ( Differences between book and film versions of Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone, etc.) temporarily out of the main namespace, until we can cut down all the information and cite it. Then, it will probably be moved into the main film article. There was an AfD which only kept the articles for being torn between delete and merge. It was in August but I didn't learn of it until about a month ago, and I haven't really had the time to put any effort there. The pages can now be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Harry Potter/PS Differences or whatever the two-letter book abbreviation is. Hopefully we can work on getting this information back up soon -- I didn't want to delete because of all my research that went into this, but then again, it was my research. So it's a good reference personally, but not encyclopedically.
If we can also start to remove all links and references to these pages, that would probably be good. -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 05:41, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
I've restored the article back to the main articlespace. Since Fbv last had these articles redirecting to the main "book" article, I also did so since I'm not objecting to Fbv's decision to redirect the article (though not necessarily endorsing it), but at least now the article history is still in the main articlespace. As is normal for a usual merge and redirect result, I've left the talk pages intact (not redirected). Sorry for my testiness, but moving articles can take some effort to undo. What we do with these articles is up to us: As I usually note down when I close a keep or merge AfD (and as the AfD closer here noted), whether an article is kept or merged is a discussion that can be held outside of AfD. So let the discussions resume. :-) -- Deathphoenix ʕ 18:40, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Major apologies to Deathphoenix for making you undo all of that, and further apologies to the WP for the confusion in this whole matter. I had seen an overwhelming AfD with only a half !vote for keep, and then it was prodded, so I figured action was really geared towards getting it away. I have absolutely no idea how to cite this appropriately – besides the fact that it is really difficult to reference occurences in films (since you don't cite a time in the film that a scene appears), do you have to cite a source that analyzes the critical commentary? Is this in violation of WP:NOT#IINFO or WP:OR? I certainly am hoping not, but I had seen so many others speak to the contrary that I figured it was. Sorry for the mildly hasty action, and I do hope that we can keep the info! -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 22:41, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Ok, well… Sandpiper restored these pages, what action are we now going to take on them? We should try to make it among our top-priority articles to work on. -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 00:07, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Given that we now have a Good Article in Lord Voldemort (and a belated well done to Onomatopoeia for that), I think it would be a good idea to choose another article to rewrite in the same fashion (rather than either everyone running off and creating poor/unnecessary/contradictory rewrites, or the progressive desire losing momentum). And then, if that one works, choose another. Et cetera. Anyone have any suggestions? Michaelsanders 12:38, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
This issue has developed out of a comparatively minor one on the Deathly Hallows page. And since it is going nowhere there, it needs to be discussed here, separate from the original issue. So here it is.
What do we define as a Reliable Source for use in Harry Potter articles? Where do we draw the line between wiki-OR and expert-OR? And to what extent do we allow Speculation if we are not the ones speculating? Michaelsanders 21:18, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Regarding Template:Harry Potter characters, I moved Dumbledore and Snape to Main characters, besides Harry, Ron, Hermione and Voldemort. Hope no one has any objections. Pea ceNT 04:38, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello all, I know I've brought this up before, it's just that I started this a month and a half ago and haven't finished yet, due to being busy with school. I'm trying to rewrite Harry Potter fandom and so far, the parts that I've finished could easily be GA status. However, the Roleplaying, Podcast, and Music sections I haven't completed. You can see the rewrite page at Talk:Harry Potter fandom/Rewrite. I know a fair amount about Podcasts and Wizard rock, and if necessary I could write a section on them. But I honestly know nothing about the roleplaying aspect of the fandom, and for somebody to write that would be tremendously appreciated. You don't really have to know too much, just a basic knowledge, and be good at Googling for references -- that's all it takes, if you know something is true and have a decent idea where you can find information on it. If you want, you can go ahead and write Podcast and Music sections as well. (I've also created, but not written anything in, an "Iconic landmarks tours," referring to the tours that go through England and Scotland that point out locations for the films and the café were JKR wrote PS, etc., so working on that too would be great.) I just have a lot of work, and would love to see this finally get done! -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 04:42, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
I recently rewrote a lot of Ron Weasley to match the new, out-of-universe design on Lord Voldemort, but the Ron article is still a little lacking in stuff besides role in the book. With just a little more time we could get it up to GA level. -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 00:09, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm debating whether to send this article to AfD. When the proposal to create the article was tossed around, I was all for it, but now I'm seeing that, if an actor is only notable for small appearances in Harry Potter films, they probably don't pass WP:BIO. I don't think anybody on that page is currently notable elsewhere, so they wouldn't be lost if the article was deleted. Besides, they're all mentioned on the individual cast pages and List of Harry Potter films cast members. The article also posed some problems with having a plethora of FU images, which I eventually just got tired of and temporarily put comment markers around until something was figured out. Any thoughts on this? -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 22:53, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I have added NavFrames to {{ Harry Potter characters}}. Comments? John Reaves (talk) 09:41, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi, why is there no article about Mr Borgin? / 81.226.194.196 21:05, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Hey guys, Harry Potter fandom has been promoted to GA status! Thanks for your help with it! It's now currently in peer review. Any changes you can make to the article (specifically expanding the lead) would be most appreciated.
In the mean time,
Controversy over Harry Potter is a GA nom. This article was just listed as a GA!
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And on a slightly unrelated note, let's offer our congrats to John Reaves, whose RfA was recently passed! -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 02:54, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
All of them (with the exception of Order of the Phoenix, which isn't out) are just mainly made up of lists. Has anyone played them enough to help clean them up? RobJ1981 14:17, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
It's been created again. I just checked WP:CRYSTAL and technically, since it's been announced, there's no problem with it. But there's not much to say, except that the trio will be back, and Heyman and Kloves are involved. Can we just move it into a subsection of the book article? Or do people think it should stay? -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 02:56, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Harry Potter fan art is up for deletion on Commons. Harry Potter Fan art. Bryan 12:24, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
This article's been nominated for AfD. Please check the article page, and then go over and assess neutrally whether it should keep or be deleted, or something else. What might be best is to source the page right now: note how the filmmakers use dates, and Jo checks them, and it is generally important. We don't need to up it to FA status, but at least show that it's worthy of keeping, in my opinion. -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 02:36, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
As there are so many links, i have created a starter disambiguation page for Harry Potter. Simply south 22:58, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Separately, i have put List of Harry Potter films cast members up for WP:RM. Simply south 23:24, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Well now that the Dates in Harry Potter article has been deleted, we no longer have any sort of traceability or reference anchors for any of the years provided in HP articles - birth years, etc. We only have a few Rowling-based anchor references (eg: Draco Malfoy's birthdate). Kids and vandals frequently randomly change birth years and such around to correspond with their own life events, and Internet trolls run around shifting and changing the years for fun, just to be an irritant. It will be difficult to defend any of the years without the analysis and anchors provided in the Dates article. We'll have to depend on an external source to provide that service now. If we cannot find a similar reliable source for Dates and Years in Harry Potter, then it doesn't seem to make sense any more to pretend that HP years are relevant in-universe or in the real world. We needed the Dates in HP article as an anchor to keep things from shifting, and for restoring the vandalized articles. The next hassle we will face is to cite sources for the hundreds of year-references currently provided in the articles. I would recommend that we just uniformly delete all references to fixed years in the HP articles, since we cannot cite an internal source or reference without engaging in a lot of original research and mathematical gymnastics, unless we find a reliable source that serves the same purpose. -- T-dot ( Talk | contribs) 10:04, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
She did, just not obviously, which is why it is helpfull to readers to list them. Don't you find it ironical that an article which talks about real-woeld happenings with regard to Hp, and provides a list which is more then a simple plot summary, gets dweleted 'because it is a plot summary'? Sandpiper 18:06, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Just as a personal note, can we please stop using the word "fancruft." It gives a negative connotation to saying that something I care about is not deemed appropriate here on the encyclopedia. If that's what you mean, then say it. But "fancruft" sounds more like knowing the exact hair length of Harry Potter, or the color socks he wore at his first day of Hogwarts, etc. Something that is even vaguely important within its context should at least be respected, even if other editors don't think an article about it belongs on Wikipedia. And dates are most definitely important to any story. -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 20:06, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Blood purity is up for deletion. John Reaves (talk) 23:16, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
I am petitioning to have this page altered to rmeove the restriction against using succession boxes for fictional characters. I think this group has an interest since several related pages for fictional characters are already using these boxes. Please Vote Here.-- Dr who1975 18:25, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
I've created {{ HPAFD}} so that current AfDs will now be placed on this talk page at the top (see the top of this page). That template currently transcludes Wikipedia:WikiProject Harry Potter/AfD. I was wondering what people would think if we deleted that project page and just automatically put all AfDs on the new template. We might also want to consider putting GA noms, DRVs, FACs, etc., in this noticeboard.
This could also be placed on your user or talk page, if you wanted. -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 21:01, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Hey all, Harry Potter fandom is almost all set to go to WP:FAC! There's just a few things left over from its peer review which I could use your assistance on, besides a general fresh eye on the article:
Best, Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 03:23, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know if the Wiki system can support a countdown timer for fixed future events that can be displayed on User pages and perhaps articles? I think it would be pretty cool if someone with the skills could set us up with a user template or something with a count-down timer for Midnight (GMT or user-selected time) July 13 for the OoTP film, and July 21 for the DH book. Just a thought. Or maybe it already exists and I have just not found it yet. -- T-dot ( Talk | contribs) 17:13, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Could we not have a part which lists the various incantations depicted in the book series,with a backgroung information on what the spell/incantation can do,with reference to which series in the books it appears in and what page.(Also maybe a bit on potions used with ingredients) Wongdai 10:46 11 April 2007, (UTC)
Dates in Harry Potter - I've recreated the article. I've done some major rewriting, and a lot of sourcing, and I've readded it to the main section because I think it's in good enough condition now to pass muster; however, I haven't reached the bottom yet, which consequently is still in bad shape. Please could you help if you get the chance? Michael Sanders 01:13, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
The appeal against deletion has now been settled as a relisting at AFD here Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Dates_in_Harry_Potter_(second_nomination) Sandpiper 20:36, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
URGENT: One of the justifications for deleting the Dates in Harry Potter article, raised by an outside admin, is that hardly anything linked to the Dates page, according to the What Links Here tool. Most of us know that virtually every article in the HP Project, that had an in-universe Date mentioned, was linked back to the Dates in Harry Potter page for reference as a reliable check. When the Dates article was deleted (first round), many well-meaning editors deleted the resulting red-links to the Dates page. The article has been re-established for the time being, and is now called "non-notable" because hardly anything links back there any more, and is subject to re-deletion. Please help with re-establishing the links to Dates in harry Potter on the character and events pages! -- T-dot ( Talk | contribs) 12:46, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Editors will be pleased to know that the Chronology of the Harry Potter stories AfD resulted in a healthy keep decision. Michael Sanders 19:09, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
See my comments on the Talk:Quidditch page, under Regional Teams. It seems to me that with the exception of the UK teams, that all of these are made up. There is no sourcing for any of them. What is the policy for inclusion of a team? Someone added another one just today. Tuyvan 05:54, 21 April 2007 (UTC)