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I might get slammed here for saying this, but I'd like to get some input from the HP Wikipedia community regarding inter-project cooperation. We're all very excited over the new book I'm sure, and I for one started my Wiki work here before I moved to Wikibooks to develop the b:Muggles' Guide to Harry Potter. Something I've always seen here is that there's so much development of articles related to pieces of the books, and I personally feel this goes beyond the goals of Wikipedia and should go into more dedicated works, such as that at Wikibooks. I'd love to hear contrary opinions and you can contact me via e-mail if you prefer, because I'm not really looking for a battle but want to help all Wikimedia projects which is why I'm writing here.
Anyway, I notice that the Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows plot is becoming larger and larger by the minute practically. Sections such as this have been AfDed before and so I want to mention that Wikibooks would love to take any plot summary content that Wikipedia would like to offer should its existence be questioned. About two years ago I added to the Muggles' Guide to the to-do list and we have an amazing project over there. Therefore, if there's any way you'd like to help, we'd love to have you. I'm the same username over there and would like to hear from anyone interested. Once we wrap up this last book in the series, the Wikibook will be in a nearly printable state and I think the HP community will really benefit from the literary guide we've developed. The Guide is not like the Harry Potter wiki however, something that I see is dying, and focuses on literary aspects, much like a "Cliff's Notes" for the books. I don't want to write too much, but I hope our projects can work together as they have somewhat before (but not enough in my opinion) to create some great pages about the Harry Potter series. Thanks. - within focus 17:41, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
In my view: a lot of fancruft, fiction cruft and just plain old.. Harry Potter cruft is going on here. 8 pages (at least, there could be more minor lists).
I'm a big fan of the series, but I certainly know Wikipedia shouldn't be a guide to each and every character. Also it should be noted: several of the minor lists have an others section which seems to be a dumping area for people that have even less of a role than the minor characters themselves! There is a Harry Potter wiki for a reason, I think it should be used more instead of people just filling Wikipedia with this cruft. I'm not saying this project is doing it (completely at least), but people in general are. Then at every AFD debate for it: lots of keep votes, many of which fall under the "I like it" terms. Popular subject or not, something needs to be done (and should've been done a while ago in my opinion). RobJ1981 17:46, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Can someone who knows how to leave one of those messages hidden in the text, for potential editors on Fleur Delacour. People keep editing that Victoire is Fleur and Bill's child when there is no source for this or even the suggestion that that might be the case. Amo 19:25, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Is there any point in keeping this template? Besides the fact that infoboxes are to be avoided in articles about fiction, there are basically only three schools in the HP universe. We actually visit only one, and the information is entirely in-universe. I'd like to propose its deletion here first before taking it to WP:TFD. -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 19:24, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Currently this redirects to Gellert Grindelwald. While I don't think there's a place for an article about it, as there's not much information about it in the books, I feel it is deserving of a paragraph in some article. Is there an article on minor locations in Harry Potter or would the paragraph have to be in the Gellert Grindewald entry? Also, is anyone up to the task of writing about it? Yonatan talk 18:15, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
I've noticed that there are 25 Harry Potter articles that have been flagged, usually justly, as in-universe. Should fixing this be added to the to-do list? - Phi* n!x 21:07, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Harry Potter film/book differences: an AfD of all five of the differences articles, something we never really came to a consensus on here, has been made. Please assess the articles neutrally before going over to make your say. -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 13:47, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
At Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince (film) and Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (film), there used to be two subsections of the "Cast" section. One was called "Previous roles" and was a list of characters that appear in the source material (i.e. the book), and the actor to play him or her in the most recent film adaptation (as the actors who have played a few characters have changed over the films). Another was "New characters" and was a list of characters who appear in the book and have not appeared in a previous film adaptation. Here is an example of what the articles used to look like. The two sections in both articles have been removed and a discussion whether they belong is taking place here. Your input would be appreciated. -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 14:01, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
I've proposed some major changes to this template at Template talk:HP character#Proposed changes. Your input would be appreciated. -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 15:45, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Are there any articles relating to the Battle of Hogwarts at all? I've tried searching and have found that they've all been deleted. - 007bond aka Matthew G aka codingmasters 06:44, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Note: moved from Talk:Harry Potter because this concerns all HP-related articles, not just the article Harry Potter. Mel sa ran (formerly Salaskаn) 01:39, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
after Arcayne removed all (i think) the characters colors in the infobox, and ppl reverted it. But, he does a point that many characters just seem to have random colors in their infobox. I think that the characters with known Hogwarts houses should have their colors. But maybe some "global" colors should be used for all muggles, all ministry employee's, all death eaters, all order of the phoenix members and so on. Though than you'll have to decide what goes on top, so to say a Order member who went to Hogwarts in Hufflepuff but works at the ministry. Ofc you have to choose in what instance of the timeline you choose to write the articles from, right now its pretty mixed. ϲнʌɴɗɩєʀ 00:17, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
(outdent) Which is why there shouldn't be any colors. Keep things uniform. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 03:02, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
I think they should go. Most of the color choices are subjective anyway, and not at all encyclopedic. I am glad you thought of those groups, though - I would have missed them. Good on you, Mister Thorough. :)_ - Arcayne (cast a spell) 04:04, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
I actually think it is a pity that we have to delete this colours as they look nice, but looking nice is not why we include something in an article. One could argue that the colours are informative because they make it easier to see to which house a character belongs, but this is "in-universe" style. This wouldn't be informative for people unfamiliar with Harry Potter, so a Harry Potter wiki can use these colours, we can't. Mel sa ran (formerly Salaskаn) 02:51, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi there WP:Potter people, Emma Watson is a GAC now. Feel free to improve. — Onomatopoeia 15:47, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
Well, its all about the "nineteen years later" and what happened to everyone after. All characters from the school when "Harry & co." was there are out of school now. And should the articles be written in form as after the last sentence in the last book? Colin Creevey for example should he be "is" or "was". the same for Voldemort and all who died. Well the question is really, should all articles change so they're "written after 2017"? CHANDLER talk 21:13, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
Present tense all the way, folks, as of WP:WAF. Harry and Co. WERE characters in a book series from 1997-2007, and ARE ex-students of Hogwarts or HAVE BEEN students. Anything else is wrong. — Onomatopoeia 16:15, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 5 | ← | Archive 7 | Archive 8 | Archive 9 | Archive 10 | Archive 11 | → | Archive 14 |
I might get slammed here for saying this, but I'd like to get some input from the HP Wikipedia community regarding inter-project cooperation. We're all very excited over the new book I'm sure, and I for one started my Wiki work here before I moved to Wikibooks to develop the b:Muggles' Guide to Harry Potter. Something I've always seen here is that there's so much development of articles related to pieces of the books, and I personally feel this goes beyond the goals of Wikipedia and should go into more dedicated works, such as that at Wikibooks. I'd love to hear contrary opinions and you can contact me via e-mail if you prefer, because I'm not really looking for a battle but want to help all Wikimedia projects which is why I'm writing here.
Anyway, I notice that the Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows plot is becoming larger and larger by the minute practically. Sections such as this have been AfDed before and so I want to mention that Wikibooks would love to take any plot summary content that Wikipedia would like to offer should its existence be questioned. About two years ago I added to the Muggles' Guide to the to-do list and we have an amazing project over there. Therefore, if there's any way you'd like to help, we'd love to have you. I'm the same username over there and would like to hear from anyone interested. Once we wrap up this last book in the series, the Wikibook will be in a nearly printable state and I think the HP community will really benefit from the literary guide we've developed. The Guide is not like the Harry Potter wiki however, something that I see is dying, and focuses on literary aspects, much like a "Cliff's Notes" for the books. I don't want to write too much, but I hope our projects can work together as they have somewhat before (but not enough in my opinion) to create some great pages about the Harry Potter series. Thanks. - within focus 17:41, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
In my view: a lot of fancruft, fiction cruft and just plain old.. Harry Potter cruft is going on here. 8 pages (at least, there could be more minor lists).
I'm a big fan of the series, but I certainly know Wikipedia shouldn't be a guide to each and every character. Also it should be noted: several of the minor lists have an others section which seems to be a dumping area for people that have even less of a role than the minor characters themselves! There is a Harry Potter wiki for a reason, I think it should be used more instead of people just filling Wikipedia with this cruft. I'm not saying this project is doing it (completely at least), but people in general are. Then at every AFD debate for it: lots of keep votes, many of which fall under the "I like it" terms. Popular subject or not, something needs to be done (and should've been done a while ago in my opinion). RobJ1981 17:46, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Can someone who knows how to leave one of those messages hidden in the text, for potential editors on Fleur Delacour. People keep editing that Victoire is Fleur and Bill's child when there is no source for this or even the suggestion that that might be the case. Amo 19:25, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Is there any point in keeping this template? Besides the fact that infoboxes are to be avoided in articles about fiction, there are basically only three schools in the HP universe. We actually visit only one, and the information is entirely in-universe. I'd like to propose its deletion here first before taking it to WP:TFD. -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 19:24, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Currently this redirects to Gellert Grindelwald. While I don't think there's a place for an article about it, as there's not much information about it in the books, I feel it is deserving of a paragraph in some article. Is there an article on minor locations in Harry Potter or would the paragraph have to be in the Gellert Grindewald entry? Also, is anyone up to the task of writing about it? Yonatan talk 18:15, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
I've noticed that there are 25 Harry Potter articles that have been flagged, usually justly, as in-universe. Should fixing this be added to the to-do list? - Phi* n!x 21:07, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Harry Potter film/book differences: an AfD of all five of the differences articles, something we never really came to a consensus on here, has been made. Please assess the articles neutrally before going over to make your say. -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 13:47, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
At Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince (film) and Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (film), there used to be two subsections of the "Cast" section. One was called "Previous roles" and was a list of characters that appear in the source material (i.e. the book), and the actor to play him or her in the most recent film adaptation (as the actors who have played a few characters have changed over the films). Another was "New characters" and was a list of characters who appear in the book and have not appeared in a previous film adaptation. Here is an example of what the articles used to look like. The two sections in both articles have been removed and a discussion whether they belong is taking place here. Your input would be appreciated. -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 14:01, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
I've proposed some major changes to this template at Template talk:HP character#Proposed changes. Your input would be appreciated. -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 15:45, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Are there any articles relating to the Battle of Hogwarts at all? I've tried searching and have found that they've all been deleted. - 007bond aka Matthew G aka codingmasters 06:44, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Note: moved from Talk:Harry Potter because this concerns all HP-related articles, not just the article Harry Potter. Mel sa ran (formerly Salaskаn) 01:39, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
after Arcayne removed all (i think) the characters colors in the infobox, and ppl reverted it. But, he does a point that many characters just seem to have random colors in their infobox. I think that the characters with known Hogwarts houses should have their colors. But maybe some "global" colors should be used for all muggles, all ministry employee's, all death eaters, all order of the phoenix members and so on. Though than you'll have to decide what goes on top, so to say a Order member who went to Hogwarts in Hufflepuff but works at the ministry. Ofc you have to choose in what instance of the timeline you choose to write the articles from, right now its pretty mixed. ϲнʌɴɗɩєʀ 00:17, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
(outdent) Which is why there shouldn't be any colors. Keep things uniform. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 03:02, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
I think they should go. Most of the color choices are subjective anyway, and not at all encyclopedic. I am glad you thought of those groups, though - I would have missed them. Good on you, Mister Thorough. :)_ - Arcayne (cast a spell) 04:04, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
I actually think it is a pity that we have to delete this colours as they look nice, but looking nice is not why we include something in an article. One could argue that the colours are informative because they make it easier to see to which house a character belongs, but this is "in-universe" style. This wouldn't be informative for people unfamiliar with Harry Potter, so a Harry Potter wiki can use these colours, we can't. Mel sa ran (formerly Salaskаn) 02:51, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi there WP:Potter people, Emma Watson is a GAC now. Feel free to improve. — Onomatopoeia 15:47, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
Well, its all about the "nineteen years later" and what happened to everyone after. All characters from the school when "Harry & co." was there are out of school now. And should the articles be written in form as after the last sentence in the last book? Colin Creevey for example should he be "is" or "was". the same for Voldemort and all who died. Well the question is really, should all articles change so they're "written after 2017"? CHANDLER talk 21:13, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
Present tense all the way, folks, as of WP:WAF. Harry and Co. WERE characters in a book series from 1997-2007, and ARE ex-students of Hogwarts or HAVE BEEN students. Anything else is wrong. — Onomatopoeia 16:15, 8 August 2007 (UTC)