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I just found an image suggesting that Kingman (Amtrak station) might be on NRHP, but I can't find any other evidence of a listing. Does anybody else have anything? ---- DanTD ( talk) 00:07, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
There's an issue about presentation of NRHP listings within NRHP list-articles, when there are two or more places in the same list that have exactly the same NRHP listing name. For example, there are two places named exactly "Octagon House" in National Register of Historic Places listings in Fairfield County, Connecticut. One option (currently implemented) is to display a parenthetical expression providing explicit disambiguation. The article links and also names in the linked Google map now show "Octagon House (Danbury)" and "Octagon House (Stamford)", as here:
[1] | Landmark name [2] | Image | Date listed | Location | City or Town | Summary |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
125 | Octagon House (Danbury) | May 7, 1973 | 21 Spring St. 41°23′42″N 73°27′34″W / 41.39500°N 73.45944°W |
Danbury | A octagon house that was regarded to be the best of Connecticut's surviving dozen or so | |
126 | Octagon House (Stamford) | August 17, 1979 | 120 Strawberry Hill Ave., in or near the
Glenbrook section of Stamford 41°3′50″N 73°32′7″W / 41.06389°N 73.53528°W |
Stamford | An octagon house that has been demolished, apparently, but is still listed on the National Register |
A different option would be to display "Octagon House" only in both places, in the article link and in the linked Google map. There are many more same-name-same-county pairings nationwide. About 24 pairs within other county list-articles are identified at User:Doncram/NRHP issues notes, which also has links to some previous discussion. There's no active edit-warring about this AFAIK, but previously there were occasional reversions going opposite ways, and some discussion. It seems like a decision is needed, to avoid future contention and so that the wp:NRHPmos can be updated to cover this case. Comments? -- doncram ( talk) 22:44, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
The county with the most of these same-name issues is seems to be National Register of Historic Places listings in Bergen County, New Jersey, by the way, out of all the case i accumulated over several months, before bringing this up for wider discussion here, and inviting participation here by an editor who happen to weigh in there just now with an edit striking out the short parentheticals. I think the short parentheticals help and so far that seems to be the view prevailing. Is it okay to keep the short parentheticals in that article, please? I see about 6 or more sets of 2-3 identically named article topics, needing parentheticals there. Some of the pairs and triples have the parentheticaals, some do not. -- doncram ( talk) 02:22, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
I redirected a while back Greenwich Municipal Center Historic District (civic center of town) to Greenwich Avenue Historic District (civic + commercial center of town). This is because if one reads the nomination form for the latter, you will find that the former was completely incorporated into the newer, larger district. Effectively, this is a boundary increase. I am of the opinion that a single article is better here since one is within the other and the conceptual difference is minor. In current practice, how often is a boundary increase treated as a separate article? -- Polaron | Talk 20:57, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
OK, so it's really called the Vassar Swiss Underwear Company Building, but it's a factory building in Chicago where they made underpants, so I think "Chicago Underpants Factory" is a fair description. Plus it makes me smirk. Andrew Jameson ( talk) 11:14, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
I would greatly appreciate it if someone would give Albany City Hall a cold read. I just expanded it about 10x and would appreciate any comments from NRHP experts. Thanks! upstate NYer 21:58, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
There's a proposal at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages)#Order of entries allowing geographic order explicitly, again which may be of interest. The proposal is for a change to disambiguation page style guidelines, to allow, explicitly, for dab pages of places to be ordered by country, state, city, rather than by a more complicated ordering. Many dab pages are currently organized by geography; this proposal would make clear that is acceptable. Please consider commenting there. -- doncram ( talk) 20:49, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
Nothing we can use, per se, but thought folks here might appreciate them. -- Ebyabe ( talk) 23:46, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
Heard that the Connecticut WikiProject started a photo contest to encourage the addition of pictures to articles of interest to the project. So I thought, "Why not us?" If folks are interested, we can chat about how to do our own version. Azathoth knows we have a goodly number of photographers in our project. Also, WikiCommons has featured pictures like Wikipedia has featured articles. Perhaps we could have a drive towards that end. Also an excuse to get away from the computer every so often, doncha know. Discuss. :) -- Ebyabe ( talk) 21:26, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
From the 8-30 Signpost - there's no reason we can't do something similar. I'm surprised by the similarity in size of the lists. Smallbones ( talk) 15:25, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
We should go ahead following the CT dates and rules. We'd need a different system for counting points, re: historic districts (maybe up to 10 photos) and NRHP-county-wide lists (say 1 bonus point for each new photo there) and NHL-state-wide lists (say 2 bonus points for each new photo there). But we need to see if project members are interested, and then get started with notifications, etc. Smallbones ( talk) 13:39, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
I recently added Albany City Hall to GAN, so if anyone around here is interested in reviewing, have at it. upstate NYer 21:52, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
The Glenville School (Glenville, Nebraska) is listed in the NRHP, but the actual name of the town is Glenvil. I'm not sure how you are supposed to find this listing, because the one external link is not working. Thus, I'm not sure if that is the real spelling and if we have to honor the way the town name is spelled even if it's wrong. DandyDan2007 ( talk) 11:07, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Any suggestions how I can confirm I have photographed the correct building: Talk:Masonic Temple (Port Hope, Michigan). -- Traveler100 ( talk) 08:30, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
The article Arkansas Alligator Farm and Petting Zoo is up for deletion. This zoo was founded in 1902 and I'm trying to save it (the article, that is). Does anybody want to help? - Hydroxonium ( talk) 01:01, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
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Several NRHP list-article formatting issues are under discussion at Talk:National Register of Historic Places listings in Washington County, Oregon#Changes by Nyttend of 2010-09-09; comments welcome.
The issues raised there, by the way, are different from the recent topics here:
I'll go ahead and summarize what I think is consensus from those discussions, in the wp:NRHPmos and/or wp:NRHPhelp guidelines over the next few days. Anyone is welcome to watch and speak up if you think my summary is imperfect or if there is better wording. -- doncram ( talk) 17:30, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
Here's a historic place needing an article yet, and it's got a nice story attached to it-- Willard Library (famous library said to be haunted by a "Grey Lady", links: [1] [2]) Bob the Wikipedian ( talk • contribs) 01:19, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Hey, the list of dates for the {{ NRHP date for lists}} template was just fully-protected. This could be a problem as, I believe, some of the people who regulary update it are not admins. Niagara Don't give up the ship 01:04, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
The Clinton-Kalamazoo Canal is listed in both Oakland and Macomb Counties in Michigan, but wasn't called out as a duplicate on National Register of Historic Places listings in Michigan. I added it under the "duplicates," but I don't know if the "total" number for MI is supposed to decrease, or if that's seperately calculated. Can someone who knows look into it? Andrew Jameson ( talk) 11:58, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
Just in case we all thought 2010 was going to end without another bunch of NHLs being added to the list, the NPS has announced what actions it will be considering at a National Trust for Historic Preservation meeting in early November:
OK, if we don't have an article, let's create it. Daniel Case ( talk) 03:57, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
The National Register of Historic Places listings in Hartford County, Connecticut article needs a split. I posted a note at the talk page of a couple of possible candidates, and a note at the talk page, but it looks like this is the place to contact the experts. Is there a standard protocol?-- SPhilbrick T 14:48, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
One more NRHP list-article formatting issue is whether to display ships' names capitalized as they appear in NRIS, e.g. display ALEXANDER HAMILTON (steamship) or Alexander Hamilton (steamship) for how link to the article Alexander Hamilton (steamship) appears within National Register of Historic Places listings in Monmouth County, New Jersey. In the article's lede the ship's name is given as Alexander Hamilton, I believe consistent with wp:SHIPS's ship-naming practices.
The issue seems not to have been discussed explicitly in the Featured List Candidacy for List of NHLs in AL, which came out with implicit approval for display of lower-case, italicized USS Alabama (battleship) and similarly for the 3 ships on that list (actually with a line break, also, so the "(battleship)" shows on a second line). A later edit to display ALL CAPS instead was reverted and discussed at Talk:List of National Historic Landmarks in Alabama#Ship name formatting.
I'm not aware of any hot disputes currently, but I noticed a change to ALL CAPS in the Monmouth County list. Over time I've noticed apparently strong views and steady churning in the NRHP list-articles about this, so views that would set a standard would be helpful. -- doncram ( talk) 11:33, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
Another aspect of NRHP ships is where to sort the ones starting with USS prefix. The Featured List List of NHLs in AL has USS Alabama first in order. I think that so ignoring the "USS" is the default and is good. Reorderings in favor of putting all the USS ones at the ends of lists should just be reverted, IMHO. Also, I'd be glad also if editor Nyttend comment on this and other NRHP list formatting issues, but he has been asked at least twice and has declined. -- doncram ( talk) 17:06, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
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I just found an image suggesting that Kingman (Amtrak station) might be on NRHP, but I can't find any other evidence of a listing. Does anybody else have anything? ---- DanTD ( talk) 00:07, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
There's an issue about presentation of NRHP listings within NRHP list-articles, when there are two or more places in the same list that have exactly the same NRHP listing name. For example, there are two places named exactly "Octagon House" in National Register of Historic Places listings in Fairfield County, Connecticut. One option (currently implemented) is to display a parenthetical expression providing explicit disambiguation. The article links and also names in the linked Google map now show "Octagon House (Danbury)" and "Octagon House (Stamford)", as here:
[1] | Landmark name [2] | Image | Date listed | Location | City or Town | Summary |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
125 | Octagon House (Danbury) | May 7, 1973 | 21 Spring St. 41°23′42″N 73°27′34″W / 41.39500°N 73.45944°W |
Danbury | A octagon house that was regarded to be the best of Connecticut's surviving dozen or so | |
126 | Octagon House (Stamford) | August 17, 1979 | 120 Strawberry Hill Ave., in or near the
Glenbrook section of Stamford 41°3′50″N 73°32′7″W / 41.06389°N 73.53528°W |
Stamford | An octagon house that has been demolished, apparently, but is still listed on the National Register |
A different option would be to display "Octagon House" only in both places, in the article link and in the linked Google map. There are many more same-name-same-county pairings nationwide. About 24 pairs within other county list-articles are identified at User:Doncram/NRHP issues notes, which also has links to some previous discussion. There's no active edit-warring about this AFAIK, but previously there were occasional reversions going opposite ways, and some discussion. It seems like a decision is needed, to avoid future contention and so that the wp:NRHPmos can be updated to cover this case. Comments? -- doncram ( talk) 22:44, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
The county with the most of these same-name issues is seems to be National Register of Historic Places listings in Bergen County, New Jersey, by the way, out of all the case i accumulated over several months, before bringing this up for wider discussion here, and inviting participation here by an editor who happen to weigh in there just now with an edit striking out the short parentheticals. I think the short parentheticals help and so far that seems to be the view prevailing. Is it okay to keep the short parentheticals in that article, please? I see about 6 or more sets of 2-3 identically named article topics, needing parentheticals there. Some of the pairs and triples have the parentheticaals, some do not. -- doncram ( talk) 02:22, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
I redirected a while back Greenwich Municipal Center Historic District (civic center of town) to Greenwich Avenue Historic District (civic + commercial center of town). This is because if one reads the nomination form for the latter, you will find that the former was completely incorporated into the newer, larger district. Effectively, this is a boundary increase. I am of the opinion that a single article is better here since one is within the other and the conceptual difference is minor. In current practice, how often is a boundary increase treated as a separate article? -- Polaron | Talk 20:57, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
OK, so it's really called the Vassar Swiss Underwear Company Building, but it's a factory building in Chicago where they made underpants, so I think "Chicago Underpants Factory" is a fair description. Plus it makes me smirk. Andrew Jameson ( talk) 11:14, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
I would greatly appreciate it if someone would give Albany City Hall a cold read. I just expanded it about 10x and would appreciate any comments from NRHP experts. Thanks! upstate NYer 21:58, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
There's a proposal at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages)#Order of entries allowing geographic order explicitly, again which may be of interest. The proposal is for a change to disambiguation page style guidelines, to allow, explicitly, for dab pages of places to be ordered by country, state, city, rather than by a more complicated ordering. Many dab pages are currently organized by geography; this proposal would make clear that is acceptable. Please consider commenting there. -- doncram ( talk) 20:49, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
Nothing we can use, per se, but thought folks here might appreciate them. -- Ebyabe ( talk) 23:46, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
Heard that the Connecticut WikiProject started a photo contest to encourage the addition of pictures to articles of interest to the project. So I thought, "Why not us?" If folks are interested, we can chat about how to do our own version. Azathoth knows we have a goodly number of photographers in our project. Also, WikiCommons has featured pictures like Wikipedia has featured articles. Perhaps we could have a drive towards that end. Also an excuse to get away from the computer every so often, doncha know. Discuss. :) -- Ebyabe ( talk) 21:26, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
From the 8-30 Signpost - there's no reason we can't do something similar. I'm surprised by the similarity in size of the lists. Smallbones ( talk) 15:25, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
We should go ahead following the CT dates and rules. We'd need a different system for counting points, re: historic districts (maybe up to 10 photos) and NRHP-county-wide lists (say 1 bonus point for each new photo there) and NHL-state-wide lists (say 2 bonus points for each new photo there). But we need to see if project members are interested, and then get started with notifications, etc. Smallbones ( talk) 13:39, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
I recently added Albany City Hall to GAN, so if anyone around here is interested in reviewing, have at it. upstate NYer 21:52, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
The Glenville School (Glenville, Nebraska) is listed in the NRHP, but the actual name of the town is Glenvil. I'm not sure how you are supposed to find this listing, because the one external link is not working. Thus, I'm not sure if that is the real spelling and if we have to honor the way the town name is spelled even if it's wrong. DandyDan2007 ( talk) 11:07, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Any suggestions how I can confirm I have photographed the correct building: Talk:Masonic Temple (Port Hope, Michigan). -- Traveler100 ( talk) 08:30, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
The article Arkansas Alligator Farm and Petting Zoo is up for deletion. This zoo was founded in 1902 and I'm trying to save it (the article, that is). Does anybody want to help? - Hydroxonium ( talk) 01:01, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
User:Dream out loud has nominated Pulaski Skyway for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. JJ98 ( Talk) 07:27, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Several NRHP list-article formatting issues are under discussion at Talk:National Register of Historic Places listings in Washington County, Oregon#Changes by Nyttend of 2010-09-09; comments welcome.
The issues raised there, by the way, are different from the recent topics here:
I'll go ahead and summarize what I think is consensus from those discussions, in the wp:NRHPmos and/or wp:NRHPhelp guidelines over the next few days. Anyone is welcome to watch and speak up if you think my summary is imperfect or if there is better wording. -- doncram ( talk) 17:30, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
Here's a historic place needing an article yet, and it's got a nice story attached to it-- Willard Library (famous library said to be haunted by a "Grey Lady", links: [1] [2]) Bob the Wikipedian ( talk • contribs) 01:19, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Hey, the list of dates for the {{ NRHP date for lists}} template was just fully-protected. This could be a problem as, I believe, some of the people who regulary update it are not admins. Niagara Don't give up the ship 01:04, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
The Clinton-Kalamazoo Canal is listed in both Oakland and Macomb Counties in Michigan, but wasn't called out as a duplicate on National Register of Historic Places listings in Michigan. I added it under the "duplicates," but I don't know if the "total" number for MI is supposed to decrease, or if that's seperately calculated. Can someone who knows look into it? Andrew Jameson ( talk) 11:58, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
Just in case we all thought 2010 was going to end without another bunch of NHLs being added to the list, the NPS has announced what actions it will be considering at a National Trust for Historic Preservation meeting in early November:
OK, if we don't have an article, let's create it. Daniel Case ( talk) 03:57, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
The National Register of Historic Places listings in Hartford County, Connecticut article needs a split. I posted a note at the talk page of a couple of possible candidates, and a note at the talk page, but it looks like this is the place to contact the experts. Is there a standard protocol?-- SPhilbrick T 14:48, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
One more NRHP list-article formatting issue is whether to display ships' names capitalized as they appear in NRIS, e.g. display ALEXANDER HAMILTON (steamship) or Alexander Hamilton (steamship) for how link to the article Alexander Hamilton (steamship) appears within National Register of Historic Places listings in Monmouth County, New Jersey. In the article's lede the ship's name is given as Alexander Hamilton, I believe consistent with wp:SHIPS's ship-naming practices.
The issue seems not to have been discussed explicitly in the Featured List Candidacy for List of NHLs in AL, which came out with implicit approval for display of lower-case, italicized USS Alabama (battleship) and similarly for the 3 ships on that list (actually with a line break, also, so the "(battleship)" shows on a second line). A later edit to display ALL CAPS instead was reverted and discussed at Talk:List of National Historic Landmarks in Alabama#Ship name formatting.
I'm not aware of any hot disputes currently, but I noticed a change to ALL CAPS in the Monmouth County list. Over time I've noticed apparently strong views and steady churning in the NRHP list-articles about this, so views that would set a standard would be helpful. -- doncram ( talk) 11:33, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
Another aspect of NRHP ships is where to sort the ones starting with USS prefix. The Featured List List of NHLs in AL has USS Alabama first in order. I think that so ignoring the "USS" is the default and is good. Reorderings in favor of putting all the USS ones at the ends of lists should just be reverted, IMHO. Also, I'd be glad also if editor Nyttend comment on this and other NRHP list formatting issues, but he has been asked at least twice and has declined. -- doncram ( talk) 17:06, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Version 0.8 is a collection of Wikipedia articles selected by the Wikipedia 1.0 team for offline release on USB key, DVD and mobile phone. Articles were selected based on their assessed importance and quality, then article versions (revisionIDs) were chosen for trustworthiness (freedom from vandalism) using an adaptation of the WikiTrust algorithm.
We would like to ask you to review the National Register of Historic Places articles and revisionIDs we have chosen. Selected articles are marked with a diamond symbol (♦) to the right of each article, and this symbol links to the selected version of each article. If you believe we have included or excluded articles inappropriately, please contact us at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.8 with the details. You may wish to look at your WikiProject's articles with cleanup tags and try to improve any that need work; if you do, please give us the new revisionID at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.8. We would like to complete this consultation period by midnight UTC on Monday, October 11th.
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