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Just want to point these out. We could start using these for the 09 season. I was going to create them. but someone else already had.
Only a couple of pages use them:
Any thoughts? ~ Richmond96 t • c 22:01, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
the Bears list is missing Mike Hohensee and Steve Bradley —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.131.21.78 ( talk) 15:26, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
I was wondering if someone else could go and review my work on the article about Seattle Seahawks Long snapper Jeff Robinson. I'd like someone who's impartial. Also, if you could have a look at my recent major contributions to National Football League player articles, I'd really appreciate it. When I expand and article from a stub, I ALWAYS classify it as a Start class article, even though there's a possiblity it could be higher. If you have an questions don't hesitate to leave them on my talk page, I enjoy hearin' from ya, except you Chris, lol, just kidding. Cra sh Underride 20:00, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
I was looking at the archives of this talk and I first went to archive 3 which had discussions from 30 November 2005 to 2 March 2006. And then the 4th archive starts at 15 January 2008. So what happened to the discussions from 2 March 2006 to 15 January 2008? Why aren't they also archived? -- Gman124 talk 03:25, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Ok I found it some of the talks are on archive4, archive5 and achive6 so I would like to propose the following five moves.
Thank You. Gman124 talk 03:49, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Hello there, the above article, which falls under the auspices of this Wikiproject, has come under review as part of GA Sweeps and a number of problems have been identified and listed on the talk page. If these problems have not begun to be addressed by seven days from this notice, the article will be delisted from GA and will have to go through the WP:GAN process all over again to regain its status once improvements have been made. If you have any questions, please drop me a line.-- Jackyd101 ( talk) 00:26, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Back in April, Bucs moved the article describing the Oilers-Bills wild-card game from "The Comeback (American football)" to "Buffalo Bills-Houston Oilers 1993 playoff game", ultimately moved to the present title ("1993 Buffalo Bills-Houston Oilers Wild Card playoff game") by Highway99. The reasoning used for the first move was that, supposedly, there was no real proof this particular game is commonly called "The Comeback" (verbatim quote).
But then, I did a search and found some of this. I may look for more on this tomorrow.
ScoresReport Article from the Bills' own website
And I believe every single video about this game refers to it as "The Comeback". What I'm wondering is whether or not it would be wise to move the article back to "The Comeback (American football)"? WAVY 10 Fan ( talk) 02:27, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi guys, I just wanted to drop in to say that the article on the Colts-Patriots rivalry is up for deletion. Thought y'all would be interested. SMSpivey ( talk) 22:02, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
why is the project deleting articles key to football interest. COverage of topics about items such as this are important and it goes to the driving forces behind interest in sports at all. thnx 67.83.134.124 ( talk) 16:39, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
List of San Francisco 49ers first-round draft picks is currently a Featured List Candidate. -- Gman124 talk 02:49, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Until now, any undrafted player who made an NFL roster has been eligible to be listed in the Notable Undrafted Players section of the draft in which they were eligible but not selected. There has been discussion at 2008 NFL Draft to limit the inclusion into this section. I brought that discussion here to get wider input. If we are going to limit the inclusion criteria, I think that they should be set objectively so that we do not have endless debates as to what makes a player notable enough for inclusion.
As I see it, the options would be one or some combination of those listed below:
1. Making an NFL roster.
2. Seeing actual playing time. (May be hard to verify)
3. Garnering official game stats.
4. Becoming a significant contributor to the team, such as the nickel back. (May be hard to verify)
5. Becoming a starter on the team.
6. Gathering votes towards an award such as Diet Pepsi NFL Rookie of the Week or NFL Rookie of the Year.
7. Being selected for an award such as those in number 6 or teams such as the Pro Bowl or an All-Pro team.
There is an argument to be made, with which I happen to agree, that since every player who makes an NFL roster is notable enough to have his own article, then he should be listed as a notable undrafted player. Many of the drafted players who are listed will not make an NFL team at all nor even merit their own article.
That being said, I think that if consensus is to limit the inclusion in this section, then numbers 5, 6, and 7 would be the bare minimum for inclusion. Please chime in so we can get a uniform standard.-- 2008Olympian chitchat 20:37, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
- What needs to happen is another article, perhaps entitled "Notable undrafted NFL players" needs to be created. In that list can contain any undrafted player to make an NFL roster, or start, or whichever, organized by year. On that articles talk page we can argue over who is notable enough, but to me it should contain any undrafted player with a Wikipedia article.
- But please see the common sense. As I said, an article entitled NFL Draft 2008 should be about who was drafted, not who wasn't. -- MrShamrock ( talk) 22:34, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
With the final few picks going off the board Sunday evening, Haynos' phone started to ring. The Dolphins, San Francisco 49ers and Green Bay Packers wanted Haynos to sign on as an undrafted free agent
"I can tell you that we were strongly considering him along with Bo [Ruud] in the seventh round and we ended up taking Bo," Belichick said. "But those were two of the players that we were talking a lot about. When the draft was over, we went back and Gary wasn't drafted, so we came back on him, and of course his question was, 'Well, why didn't you take me in the seventh round?' –– and that was a good question."
The notion that UDFA's have nothing to do with the draft is not entirely right. However, there's nothing particularly impressive about undrafted guys making a roster, which is why there must be higher standards for a notable UDFA section.► Chris Nelson Holla! 04:20, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
This article might be illustrative as to the level of playing time required: Undrafted players have huge role for playoff teams, where it gives an All-undrafted team (with honorable mentions): it actually uses the phrase "Notable undrafted free agents".-- 2008Olympian chitchat 05:01, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Hey, you voted for being a starter, I agreed, as did Lowellian and Mastrchf. That was a unanimous decision behind that requirement. How is that not consensus? Then Mastrchf asked how many games, and argued for at least four. I thought that fine, and no else said different. So I took the time to verify that everyone had at least four games. Carpenter kicked every field goal for the Dolphins. The only outlier was MrShamrock who argued that none of the players should be included because the article was about drafted players, which you and I soundly rebuffed.-- 2008Olympian chitchat 08:13, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
1. A notable, lasting accomplishment, like Smith's Pro Bowl or Tyree's catch -and/or- 2. A sustained starting job with a team. Not a few games and not just due to injuries to other players. I'm talking multiple years and an EARNED spot.
Chris, you can't just change the article based your decision to post some criteria and unilaterally decide that "this is a good way to go on this." There has been three or four other editors in addition to you and CShashaty that have weighed in. It's consensus, not who posted last, that controls.
The problem we have is that this is the most recent draft we have had, so of course it is the most difficult to judge who are the notable undrafted players. The standard that you guys are trying to promulgate is either too restrictive, only those who make pro bowls, or too forward looking: is this play notable in the future? has he played multiple years? I would argue that who is notable now may not be in a few years. "Multiple years" as a starter is too high a bar. That's about the average for an entire career in the NFL. Most players will be drafted players, so we are talking about mostly longshots to even make a roster. Look at this article: Undrafted players have huge role for playoff teams, which is from the NFL.com and gives a pretty good outside opinion on what is a notable undrafted player. Sam Hurd? He's not a starter, but he's on their list. If a player doesn't get drafted, but is a career journeyman in the league, I think that would be enough.
I voted initially to let everyone who makes an NFL roster to be on the list, but other editors said that bar was too low. So I gave several possibilities. Three other editors: Lowellian and Mastrchf, and Chrisjnelson agreed that being a starer would be the minimum. That was a unanimous decision behind that requirement.
Then Mastrchf asked how many games, and argued for at least four. I thought that fine, and no else said different. So I took the time to verify that everyone had at least four games. Carpenter kicked every field goal for the Dolphins. The only outlier was MrShamrock who argued that none of the players should be included because the article was about drafted players, which you and I soundly rebuffed. Then changed his opinion and wanted clear starters, which was aligned with Mastrchf's position earlier, so I went along with it.
Now Chris has changed his opinion on starters to needing "multiple years." Well that cannot be aligned with Mastrchf's guideline, nor along with what I and Lowellian had agreed to, because we were deciding how to choose from a pool of players who by definition had only started one year.
We also have to now consider the opinion of CShashaty, who wants to include Davone Bess, who started 6 out of a possible sixteen games. That is another opinion that is more aligned with the opinion of Mastrchf, who asked for four games started. So we are still unanimous as to the requirement of being a starter, the question remains how to determine who that is? I am going back to agreeing with what was initially proposed: if the player a suffucuent number of games started, no matter if it because of injuries (heck, Duane Thomas didn't smell starting until Calvin Hill got hurt), then it is enough. The best thing is that it is easily verifiable. So, we are at:
Last year's starters (unclear game-number determinant): Lowellian Four games: Mastrchf, 2008Olympian Six games: CShashaty, 2008Olympian Multiple years: Chrisjnelson
I understand Chrisjnelson's point about how it might look 10 years from now. I would consider this to be a continuing standard: the player must start at least one-fourth of his possible games. So, a two-year player would need to have started at least eight games, three-year twelve games, etc. So a player may come off of the list if he doesn't keep it up. I could also go for six games per season, but consensus at this point is for one of the two. Let's see if CShashaty, Mastrchf, or Lowellian weighs in again.-- 2008Olympian chitchat 21:07, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Lest I violate 3RR, I wante dto throw it to the group to come up with a standard for inclusion in the Super Bowl navboxes. As you can see over at Template:Super Bowl XLIII, I've been engaged in a disagreement about who belongs in these templates. I'm not sure if it's been ironed out prior to this, but I thought it would be good for the group to make a call one way or ther other. The main dispute is whether or not player that are on the practice squad or IR and nver play a regular season or post-season game should be included in the template. I fall on the side of not including these players, as they obviously were not active for the Super Bowl and did not accumulate any meaningful on-field contributions during the year. This would be akin to the World Series championship templates including the entire 40-man roster on the template, even if some of the players never saw maor league action nor played in the playoffs. I agree that players on IR who played significant and/or starting roles prior to their injury should be included (like Jeremy Shockey in Template:Super Bowl XLII), though with players that played sparingly (1 or 2 games or a handful of plays) before going on IR should not be included either. Thoughts? I just hope everyone's input can help end future edit warring. Thanks. - Masonpatriot ( talk) 05:22, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
From this article
American football A player who makes intentional contact with an official (e.g. touching the official to get his attention) will be ejected, and along with the ejection of the offending player comes a 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty against the offender's team.
Is this correct? It would seem extremely arbitary and unlikely that a player who taps an official on the shoulder and points out his shoelace is undone would get ejected from the game. If it is correct this needs to be cited to a reliable source. Exxolon ( talk) 01:29, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
There's an ongoing discussion about colors used in infoboxes here. -- MZMcBride ( talk) 03:57, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
I have proposed changing the colors of player template here. It is just an extension to the colors discussion that was posted there and about which was informed one message above. see here please. -- Gman124 talk 23:13, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Hey everyone. Just a heads up, but List of Kansas City Chiefs starting quarterbacks is under an FLC review, but looks like it needs a bit more support to be promoted to be a Featured List. Anybody who can drop by and add suggestions or a 'support' vote will be much appreciated. Go here to give feedback. conman33 ( . . .talk) 04:32, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Jack Youngblood is up for GA for the second time. I have to admit, the first time it was up, it was pretty bad. Yet, I think it is a pretty good article now. I had one person post their opinoin thus far and would like to hear from others. -- Pinkkeith ( talk) 22:37, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
J. Matthew Bailey and I have been having a discussion of the best way to present " coaching tree" information on NFL coach pages, as well as how much information is appropriate to present. I feel that it's valuable to understand what position (i.e. at how high a level and on what side of the ball) an assistant served under a mentor. My thinking is that this bit of information is valuable in weighing how much influence that mentor might have had on the mentee (e.g. a def. coord. under a defensive-minded head coach might be perceived as more of a "disciple" than an defensive position coach under an offensive-minded head). Mr. Bailey counters that this is unnecessary duplication of resume information which should be in the coach's infobox.
In addition, we are attempting to determine whether this information is best presented in a simple bulleted list or in a table. I guess the question of how much detail to provide weighs on this choice as well.
Here are a couple of examples:
Another option (and probably the best) would be to create a visual family-tree type diagram (as seen for Marty Schottenheimer but this approach is much more difficult to maintain and seems more appropriate for retired coaches.
Which of these approaches do you think best serves the purpose? Or do you have other ideas? Please share your opinions.-- Deejayk ( talk) 16:21, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
I don't know if anyone noticed this or not, but there is discussion about A-class articles being a higher grade then GA-class articles here. Basically the A-class articles are assesed by Wikiproject. For example see Military History WikiProject. Is this something we would like to do as well. That way we can go from getting an article as an A-class and then to a FA-class instead of going from GA-class and then FA-class. -- Pinkkeith ( talk) 17:40, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Please stop by and voice your opinion in the ongoing discussion on the use of team colors in sports infoboxes.-- 2008Olympian chitchat 06:17, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
I was wondering if somebody could clarify when we use endashes on WP for NFL pages, and sports pages in general. Say the Dolphins had a record of 11 wins and 5 losses, would it be 11-5 or 11–5? I've been told that records use hyphens (11-5) but game scores (Dolphins beat Seahawks 21–19). Do we use endashes for everything or just scores? This is really confusing and I've run into this problem way too many times when my articles are under peer review where some say endashes for everything and some say endashes just for game scores. I've already read up on WP:NDASH but still not sure what the hell to do. Thanks conman33 ( . . .talk) 23:04, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Someone added Redskins Alumni Network to many pages in wikipedia. I have deleted it every time because it is a social networking site. I just wanted to double-check: I am right about deleting this, right? Jwalte04 ( talk) 16:18, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
I just thought I would let people know, I created a list of players pages who dont have articles at Wikipedia:WikiProject National Football League/Articles to create, so if anyone is interested, feel free to check the list and create them.-- Yankees10 17:06, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
Someone needs to fix up the Colts page. The history section is way too long. ~ Richmond96 t • c 23:57, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi! I'd like to draw your attention to the new WikiProject coordinators' working group, an effort to bring both official and unofficial WikiProject coordinators together so that the projects can more easily develop consensus and collaborate. This group has been created after discussion regarding possible changes to the A-Class review system, and that may be one of the first things discussed by interested coordinators.
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Is there a reason there is a List of Super Bowl head coaches and another list called List of Super Bowl winning head coaches List of Super Bowl head coaches already contains the information provided in List of Super Bowl winning head coaches. But I just wanted to make sure if there was some reason for having two similar looking lists before doing something. -- Gman124 talk 02:59, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
The depth chart that was just added to 2009 Washington Redskins season looks like a big, sprawling piece of doo-doo. Anyone up for making a tighter depth-chart template?-- 2008Olympian chitchat 20:32, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
OK, I honestly can't find any other place to post this question, so if it's in the wrong place, please let me know. I've been vigorously editing the 2009 Indianapolis Colts season article and today have been doing the same thing to the 2009 Arizona Cardinals season article. I've got 7-10 "free agents" to add to the list on the Cardinals article, and i'm checking their website, and they all say "tendered one-year offer". I have no idea what that means and would like some clarification. Does the "tendered one-year offer" mean that the player has accepted a one-year offer with the team, and they are no longer a free agent, or that they have been offered a contract and nothing further? I know the details of what distinguishes an UFA, RFA, and ERFA from each other, i'm just confused about the term "tendered". Any help would be appreciated. Thanks! Manningmbd ( talk) 06:06, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
For the list of free agents for each team, please see the official list here.-- 2008Olympian chitchat 07:03, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
[User: Tavix] has written a thoughtful commentary on naming conventions for football players at WP:FBNC. There has been a discussion on several user talk pages about this, but an admin wanted consenus, so it needs to be on a non-user page. Please weigh in.
-- 2008Olympian chitchat 00:50, 6 March 2009 (UTC)It is generally preferred to use a noun that describes the person, rather than an activity, genre, or affiliation (chemist, not chemistry). However, this can sometimes lead to awkward or overly-long disambiguations, in which case a shorter but still clear term should be used (baseball, not baseball player and coach).
The relevant guideline is WP:NCP. The ongoing effort to clarify its implications for sportspeople is at WP:NCSP. DoubleBlue ( talk) 00:52, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
No, you're creating too much work. Just disamb all the American, Canadian, etc. football players the same way. Why have two different disambiguations? Uniformity is a good thing. "Football" is useless as a disamb.-- 2008Olympian chitchat 01:08, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
This is from a... I can't even say the s-word... fan, even though it might be ambiguous, if I understand it correctly this is about "Thomas Edward "Tom" Brady, Jr. (born August 3, 1977) is an American football quarterback for...", am I right? I think the best usage would be for all different codes to use this style "is an [[United States|American]] [[American football|football]] player" for american american football players, and go by the players sporting nationalities common usage, so for example the only european american football player I know of
Morten Andersen would've been when he was active "is a [[Danish people|Danish]] [[American football]] player", and somone like Clint Dempsey would be (as it is) "is an [[United States|American]] [[Association football|soccer]] player", just how I would do it
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Since I noticed some move-warring a few days ago by some of the people involved in this discussion, I have been attempting to prevent further edit-warring until the issue is resolved. Not having a strong opinion on these issues and not being involved in editing any of these articles, I feel I can act neutrally. I have the following comments so far:
I have the following proposals:
Your thoughts on the above are welcomed. — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 10:27, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm just waiting for the assent of a few others involved in this discussion. If they could just indicate whether they are happy with the above? Thanks, — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 11:35, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
Take a look at this photo stream from Flickr. There are almost 7,00 photos, all taken by a professional sports photographer (all of them his), and they're all licensed as CC-BY-SA. So if you have any need of a good NFL picture, I would advise you look through this treasure trove of images. Also, if you could add any newly uploaded photos on the Commons to Category:NFL photos taken by Keith Allison, that would be great. Thanks, Noble Story ( talk • contributions) 01:38, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
See Wikipedia talk:Featured list criteria#Revised criteria III. Dabomb87 ( talk) 22:01, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
I have nominated List of NFL champions for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks, where editors may declare to "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Dabomb87 ( talk) 22:19, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Per Wikipedia:Lists (stand-alone lists)#Naming conventions, lists' titles should normally start out as "List of..." The season articles currently do not follow this convention; I propose that we move all the lists to comply with this guideline. WikiProject NBA supported these moves unanimously. In the interest of consistency, especially with our featured lists, I think these lists should be moved. Dabomb87 ( talk) 01:20, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) All right then, seems that we have consensus, I will move the lists (you all are welcome to help) in about 9 or 10 hours. Dabomb87 ( talk) 12:25, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm posting a discussion page comment here in order to hopefully garner more expansive discussion regarding a current issue with the Jay Cutler article. A user is editing Cutler's birth place and birth year, stating that Cutler was born during 1981 in Georgia. However, as I said in the discussion page there, almost every sports website (which includes NFL.com) states Cutler was born during 1983 in Indiana. The official Broncos website lists Cutler as being born in Georgia; however, it's the only website that states he's apparently from there, which leads me to believe that there might be an error on that site. Anyway, if some of you out there could please engage in the discussion on that page, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. -- Luke4545 ( talk) 14:50, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Heads up from an article from the Washington Post:
"Each team has a line for "GM" on its Wikipedia profile. Thirty teams have a person's name in that slot. For the Redskins, the GM role is currently being filled by "none...Now, sure, this is sort of a creation of Wikipedia's warped collective mind. The Cincinnati Bengals' GM is listed as Mike Brown, although the team Web site doesn't suggest this to be the case. (He's described there as "President," and no one is listed as GM.) The Colts' GM is listed as Bill Polian, whose title is also officially "president." The Cowboys' GM is listed as Jerry Jones, which is true, but possibly not any less depressing than the situation in D.C. Al Davis is listed as the Raiders' GM, and whatever his real title is, it's not good."
I would change this myself, but I'm not filled with NFL info right now, so maybe this could be addressed (or discussed at least) by someone else. Noble Story ( talk • contributions) 14:00, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Wow, the guy says that he's not the GM and blames WP for not listing him as such. He's quite the reporter. black ngold29 19:20, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
I didn't notice a section or page for requesting an assessment of an article like some other projects have so I'll post it here. Would anyone mind reviewing Herb Adderley? I recently referenced a lot of info that was there, and added (with ref) a decent chunk more. I'm guessing it may now be higher than start class.-- Rockfang ( talk) 20:43, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
How about [[Category: Multi-sport ahtlete]] or [[Category:NFL players who have been in legal trouble]] (or possibly [[Category: Sportspeople in legal trouble]]). What do you think? RF23 ( talk) 22:07, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi I think when current team roster templates are updated, the appropriate season articles should be updated too, under trades, free agents signings, key roster losses, etc. sections, with a reliable source of course. Same for coaches and staff ones if notable. Thoughts? TomCat4680 ( talk) 13:05, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi I saw on 2009 Detroit Lions season#2009 NFL Draft that the Lions drafted Matt Stafford #1 overall. They poorly sourced it to an article from October but The Detroit News article I found ( here) said its NOT official yet. Please make sure that all 2009 articles don't jump the gun like this again. I suggest no charts get filled in until the draft is completely over at midnight Sunday. Also they should all contain the {{current event|section}} tag. TomCat4680 ( talk) 06:15, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
...at least not that easily. There has to be public upheaval of some sort for it to be included. Same for the World Series, NHL Finals and the NBA Finals. – Howard the Duck 06:47, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
There has been an idea that was brought of at WT:HOCKEY about the merging their current head coach template and the coaches by team template. So, does anyone else think that {{ NFLHeadCoaches}} and {{ NFL head coaches by team}} should be merged? Links to the coach lists (from the the second) could be added next to the coaches' names (in the first) instead of a link to the team. Every place these are used, there will already be plenty of links to the actual team article. We would slightly modify the heading of the first one just by removing "Current". The idea was created by — Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ), so big ups to him. The current NHL head coaches template is at Template:NHLHeadCoach. -- [[ SRE.K.A.L.| L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 20:43, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm just going to merge both templates by tomorrow if no one comment or replies. -- [[ SRE.K.A.L.| L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 19:03, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
There is an ongoing dispute between User:Yankees10 and me, so I'm asking you guys for some additional opionions. Yet I do not want to split up the debate, so please consider leaving your comment at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football#Expert quotes on player articles. Thanks. -- bender235 ( talk) 14:42, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Can someone please fact check 2009_Detroit_Lions_season#2009_NFL_Draft. I'm confused about how they acquired pick 115. Thanks. TomCat4680 ( talk) 17:32, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
A user with a penchant for splitting article sections without discussion has created Logo article for the NFL teams. THis was reverted several times by a single user, who then approached an admin, who blocked the splitter for not discussing the situation at all. However, all this was done without discussion of on the NFL team pages that I watch (Titans and Falcons), nor any discussion here, nor any notice in the reverts of the discussions on the user's page. The project should at least have been notified of such activities. It seems to me that an acticle on the logos of each team would be useful, especially if they cover historical logos too. Do such articles already exist? Comments? - BillCJ ( talk) 23:03, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
I may be wrong but the link for the details of the nfl seasons (the links to "nflhistory.net") they all broken or something like that; I only checked them from 1920 to 1942 and none of them works. I think those files were moved to the Pro Football Researchers page, for example this one is for the details of the 1942 season. I don't usually edit on english wikipedia, and instead I edit on spanish, and there is so few info about football there that I already fixed that detail in spanish wiki. ¿Anybody wish to fix this little detail here in english wiki? I have a lot of work trying to translate any information about football to spanish. See you later. -- Ahabvader ( talk) 20:34, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Anybody object to adding a "current" parameter to {{ NFL team}}, similar to what is used on {{ Infobox football club}}? For an example, see the bottom of the infobox for New York Red Bulls and the other MLS team articles. I ask because a couple of people are starting to enforce strict rules on the use of {{ Current sport-related}} and the other Temporal templates. Cheers. Zzyzx11 ( talk) 01:17, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Does your project care about what happens to the talk pages of articles that have been replaced with redirects? If so, please provide your input at User:Mikaey/Request for Input/ListasBot 3. Thanks, Matt ( talk) 02:18, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
How come a player's height and weight aren't inculded in the Individual biographies? These stats are always present in pro football books, articles and websites. Can we add them in? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yozick72 ( talk • contribs) 10:48, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Tom Brady has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here. Wizardman 16:47, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
There is a debate over at Talk:2008 All-Pro Team as to the best format of the article. Feel free to comment-- 2008Olympian chitchat 07:03, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm currently having a dispute with an IP regarding the inclusion of Brandon Marshall's nickname, "The Beast." The nickname is sourced and has been in the article for a while. Anyway, the IP is claiming that because other players may have that same nickname, along with the fact that he feels Marshall "hits women," that somehow justifies the removal of the nickname. I don't want this to lead to any 3RR-based blocks; so, I'm hoping there are users out there who would be willing to watch the article and/or offer their own thoughts on the matter. Thank you. -- Luke4545 ( talk) 17:38, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
I have nominated List of Minnesota Vikings seasons for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. BUC ( talk) 17:26, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
I've started a discussion here, proposing that we upgrade this template to use Template:Infobox. Please discuss. Gary King ( talk) 03:34, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
I stumbled upon the Advanced NFL Stats article while looking for something else. I was not sure if it belonged on Wikipedia, so nominated it fr deletion. Your input on whether it should stay or not would be greatly appreciated. This AFD discussion can be found here, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Advanced NFL Stats. Thanks for your time. -- StarScream1007 ►Talk 22:48, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi, should i add the player's salaries into the player's infoboxes. -- Saffi2k7 ( talk) 01:00, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Is Cato June in File:Bush Congratulates 2006 Colts.jpg? If not is there an alternate version with him in it?-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 03:29, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
I am interested in massively editing, with the help of others, the List of NFL records held by Jerry Rice. It is rife with irrelevant material (i.e. factually accurate, but insignificant) that simply obscures more pertinent accomplishments. The records are also quite literally gerrymandered to boost Rice's accomplishments (and, ironically, they don't even need boosting). Simply because Randy Moss now holds the single-season receiving touchdowns record, is it necessary to say Rice holds the record for most "Touchdown receptions in a season by a player with 73 touches or less (22)"? We certainly wouldn't consider it a record on John Doe's page if he had the most touchdown receptions in a season by a player with 58 touches or less. It's simply irrelevant.
For example, when Rice has scored more points than any other non-kicker, it's simply unnecessary to have all six of the following listed as records:
I propose editing the page to look more like List of career achievements by Brett Favre, which is well organized and well sourced. I don't want to start making changes without getting additional opinion. J. Matthew Bailey ( talk) 23:31, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
Why are articles of the certain playoffs, like the NFL playoffs, 2008-09, named as such? Why aren't they 2008-09 NFL playoffs?-- Truco 503 23:13, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
YEAR SUBJECT
naming comvention, the NFL playoff articles with the SUBJECT, YEAR
format never got changed.
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I have nominated List of Denver Broncos first-round draft picks at WP:FLC and would like to receive from the NFL experts comments/concerns about the list here. Thank you.-- Crzy cheetah 06:49, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
I guess in the midst of copying and pasting fair use rationales, someone forgot to replace important text on the rationales. For example on this Chicago Bears logo:
Someone might want to go through the logos, helmets, uniforms and other copyrighted images of the NFL articles and see if any other errors like this exist. — ℳℴℯ ε 23:15, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
I have nominated Category:Canadian Football League free agents ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. DoubleBlue ( talk) 17:25, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
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When a player retires he is placed on the Reserve/Retired list if he still has a contract. He is removed only when the team releases him. But why is it when a player is retired he is list as Did Not Report instead of Reserve/Retired (e.g. Jake Plummer). Is it that they are under contract and still obligated to report even if they are retired. Ositadinma ( talk) 18:10, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
I want to add weight to this subject, especially regarding Jake Plummer. There is no reason to keep him on the Buccaneers roster on here. Both parties have come out in the media to say they have come to a settlement and cancelled the contract. The league has accepted his retirement papers and he is officially retired. He now falls into the same catagory as many players that have come before him. You do not see all these players, such as Mike Alstott, listed in this section of the roster. I have repeatly tried to change the entry on the page but users keep changing it back with no good reason! jitsugreg ( talk) 09:23, 28 August 2009
Eldorado Owens keeps trying to add a huge list of Players of the week to this page. I was wondering if you guys thought this was appropriate or if the list sould be put into a table.-- Tim1357 ( talk) 20:13, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
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Sorry if this isn't the right place to discuss this, but the Bills uniforms are shown as Blue jersey with white pants and white jersey with blue pants. While the Bills do sometimes wear these combinations, it is very rarely, and they almost always wear blue on blue and white on white. I just thought that those two combos should be included in the page.
While not strictly an NFL-related issue. Category:African American players of American football has been nominated for deletion, along with a sister category for African American players of Canadian football. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 01:36, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
I was amazed that this page didn't exist nor does one for the Philadelphia Eagles. But I went ahead and created it here so I hope you all like it! — ASPENSTI— TALK— CONTRIBUTIONS 05:52, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
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I created a new roster template for the College football WikiProject more info (announcement here). I believe I have customized it enough for the NFL. Well, I guess the only customization is making the class column optional. You can see the new template in action at the 2009 Oklahoma Sooners football team article.
Any feedback would be welcome appreciated.— NMajdan• talk 03:50, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
I'm pretty new to editing wiki, but wanted to create a page for NFL weekly awards. The NFL hands out awards to 6 players each week...offensive, defensive and special teams player of the week for each conference, AFC & NFC. In addition, the NFL announces a monthly winner for each, awarded for September, October, November, and December. And lastly, there is a monthly award given to the offensive and defensive rookies of the month.
The offensive and defensive awards started in 1984, and special teams was added in 1993. I have most of the data, but there are some considerable gaps in the 1980's and early 1990's that would need filled in. The info can be found in yearly NFL Record & Fact Books (for instance, I have the 1991 record & fact book which includes all of 1990's winners). The rest of the info I have was obtained from recent team media guides that include it. I have 100% of the awards info from 1997 to 2009.
I don't even know if this is the right place to bring this up, but since there is a page for FedEx air & ground weekly awards, and pepsi rookie of week awards, i thought it would be appropriate to have a page for this NFL award. If somebody who edits NFL pages frequently could let me know what to do, that would be great
thanks
PS: sorry, i don't know how to include my user name like others have, but my user name is Eldorado Owens —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eldorado Owens ( talk • contribs) 07:08, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
The NFL is a copyrighted name. Shouldn't/couldn't Wiki be sued for infringement? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tatumstevens2 ( talk • contribs) 19:36, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
User:Ethan9456 added starting lineups (like this) to each 2009 Philadelphia Eagles game, but they were very bulky and I did not see the purpose of adding them to all NFL pages. Could someone look into this? Eagles 24/7 (C) 02:18, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
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Do all infoboxes need to be changed to NFLactive? For example; does the infobox NFL Player need to be changed or not? Thanks! Southwood Paul ( talk) 00:48, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
this Enigma msg 18:24, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
What's your opinion on players of the United Football League, like Shackelford who otherwise fails WP:ATHLETE, and as far as I could see didn't really play on that league neither. Secret account 01:52, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Anybody willing to merge 4th and 2 into Colts-Patriots rivalry?-- Giants 27( Contribs| WP:CFL) 02:45, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
Do all of the NFLretired infoboxes need to be changed to NFLactive infobox? I want to make sure. Thanks! Southwood Paul ( talk) 23:16, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
Woah, hold on there. Why are we changing all the infoboxes to active? This makes no sense to me. Wizardman 01:49, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
P.S. If you converted any back please put it back to nflactive. Thanks! Southwood Paul ( talk) 01:55, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Where is something about John Matuszak? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.236.47.147 ( talk) 17:38, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
Why? I just realized today that the infoboxes getting changed. So what's up with that? Who decided that this should be done? Actually I don't think it's a good idea that infoboxes of former NFL players who are now coaches get changed to "NFLactive". I also saw that the infobox of former 49ers HC Bill Walsh (a coach who never played in the NFL) was changed to "NFLactive" . "Height", "Weight" and "Last played" don't make any sense for a coaches infobox. There is the "Infobox NFL player coach" around. Don't get why those have to be changed to "NFLactive" too. Could someone enlighten me please? ( Armchair QB ( talk) 22:20, 18 December 2009 (UTC))
Well, if "switching infoboxes is a pain" it's not exactly comprehensible why you are now trying to switch all the infoxboxes which have been created before, may it be "NFL player coach" or "NFL retired". Honestly said that statement doesn't make much sense to me. But anyway, I don't have a problem with the name "NFLactive". Nor do I have much problems with the idea of switching the boxes of retired players (who are no longer involved in football). I just think that this infobox isn't exactly adequate for coaches. So do I get that right that you also plan to change all the infoboxes of current or former NFL head and assistant coaches (even those who haven't been NFL players) too? Honestly said I'm not in favor of that. Actually I would prefer that for coaches the "NFL player coach" infobox would be kept or that the "Infobox Gridiron football person" would be used. Just trying to voice my opinion on that matter. And just again the question: Was the idea of switching the infoboxes discussed somewhere before? ( Armchair QB ( talk) 23:28, 18 December 2009 (UTC))
I tried to get some opinions at WP:CFB, but no one has responded to a stylistic disagreement among the editors of Brandon Graham about how to discribe his All-American Status in his infobox. The disagreement is between whether it should say
I assume you NFL guys know the that NCAA only recognizes certain A-A list which it uses to describe who was A-A, consensus A-A (at least half these lists) and unanimous A-A (all these lists). According to the five lists that are recognized by the NCAA Graham is a consensus second team All-American with no first team recognition among any of the five that count. His only first team recognitions are by "unofficial" lists that do not count towards consensus or unanimous AA status. I feel it provides disinformation to the reader to describe a consensus second team player with no official first team recognition as "First-team All-American". Opinions welcome.-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 05:41, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
What is the purpose of {{ NFL navbox}}? Compared to {{ navbox}} it has zero additional features, plus it does not have a "titlestyle" parameter which means {{ NFLPrimaryColor}} et al. can't be implemented. IMHO we should delete this template. And with {{ CFB navbox}} it's just the same. -- bender235 ( talk) 19:28, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
Should every team's list of playoff years indicate the current year if they clinched a playoff berth, even though they haven't physically been in the playoffs yet? ( Example) Eagles 24/7 (C) 01:56, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
How should we list players names in roster templates by the DEFAULTSORT way that lists Mc's like Mac's (McCargo before Maybin in the Bills template) or the alpha way which is used already?
What is with Chris? Mac comes from Scotland/Ireland meaning of son. Mc is an contraction of Mac, some say the difference between Protestant and Catholic in Great Britian. But that was hundreds of years ago and people whoes names begin with an Mc are pronounced; McDonald, McGee, McCargo, etc. Not; MacDonald, MacGee, MacCargo, etc. If they wanted to be pronounced with an a then their would be one in their names, since names/pronounications change over the centuries (Some names are still pronounced with an a like, McElrath, even though having no a). But, I don't know what Chris is talking about alpha wise since Mc is a contraction of Mac (and it is by a player by player basis). What I am saying is that they should be listed alpha wise in terms of the alphabet, not by pronounications/contractions. Osi tadinma 20:38, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
If it is how Wikipedia sorts people's names for categories, why would we not sort names that way anywhere else here? Consistency makes the most sense.► Chris Nelson Holla! 22:27, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
Is there a section and/or page listing the various rules regarding when the game-clock stops or continues during an NFL game? I am looking for something detailed which includes: rushing plays, completed passes, incomplete passes, players running out-of-bounds, injuries, sacks, team time-outs, penalties, false starts after a play where the clock does not stop, measuring for a first-down, first play of the 2nd or 4th quarter. Some of these are obvious and known to almost all, but for some I am not so sure. Juve2000 ( talk) 02:09, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
During the last couple of days, I spent quiet some time implementing the NFL color templates—{{ NFLPrimaryColor}}, {{ NFLSecondaryColor}}, {{ NFLAltPrimaryColor}}, and {{ NFLAltSecondaryColor}}—on several NFL roster navboxes. However, User:Ositadinma reverted most of that changes. My question is: was it correct to implement those templates? -- bender235 ( talk) 20:21, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Update: It turned out that User:Ositadinma only edited those navboxes because User:Chrisjnelson reverted my changes on those color templates. I switched a couple of team colors to actually have alternative colors for some teams that previously had identical colors on the main color template and the alternative color template. Yet the question remains the same: do we implement those color templates to all navboxes and other templates relating to NFL teams (even if, in some cases, main colors and alt colors are identical)? -- bender235 ( talk) 20:36, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Some of the colors don't look good. You have the Ravens with black background/gold text secondary scheme. Both technically team colors, yes, but it doesn't look good in the template with the primary color scheme. Some teams just look better with only one scheme, which is why the secondary scheme matches the primary scheme in some cases.► Chris Nelson Holla! 22:00, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Some of the combinations just look like crap. The Raiders' secondary scheme looks too close to the free agent/retired colors. The Ravens' secondary scheme doesn't look like Ravens colors because black isn't major color of the team (except when they wear the black jerseys occasionally). There was just no need to fuck with the colors, and I'll keep reverting.► Chris Nelson Holla! 22:32, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
@Zzyzx11: Could you please name the color combinations that fail WP:COLORS? -- bender235 ( talk) 12:22, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
Saints Main Color Scheme Saints Alternate Color Scheme Panthers Main Color Scheme Panthers Alternate Color Scheme
I'm looking to collect some opinions on whether we should use the alternate color schemes on {{ Infobox NFLactive}} for Saints and Panthers players. Right now it's basically User:Chrisjnelson he decides on his own and brooks no dissent, which is why I'm asking fellow members of this WikiProject to pass a remark on this. Right now neither team's infoboxes use the alternate color scheme (see Drew Brees, Julius Peppers). -- bender235 ( talk) 14:02, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
Another topic: I intended to change the Broncos main color scheme from this to this to make it more distinguishable from the Bills , the Colts , the Giants , and the Patriots . Opinions? -- bender235 ( talk) 20:54, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
In my opinion, the Panthers colors are extremely hard to read the way they are. (See: Template:Carolina Panthers). ~ Richmond96 t • c 00:21, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Simple question: should we use the statweek
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Infobox NFLactive}} to give a more accurate "as-of-date" for in-season stats, or shouldn't we? --
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Is there really no list of Pro Bowl players anywhere? Surprising. It could be sortable by team and position, etc., etc. Wknight94 talk 15:55, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Why does this category exist? Surely, since the LA Raiders was just a temporary name for the Oakland Raiders, all of the articles in Category:Los Angeles Raiders seasons should be moved to Category:Oakland Raiders seasons? – Pee Jay 18:56, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Is there a way to keep people from putting Tom Brady as this award winner. PFWA awards come out in a week or week and a half. We don't know if Brady won this award. Tom Brady did not win the PFWA Comeback Player of the Year, he won the AP Comeback player of the year. The one that is listed here is the PFWA Comeback player of the year . . . it's two different awards with the same name. I know it is confusing, but the PFWA award comes out in a couple of weeks, Brady may win it, and be the winner of both . . . but's let's not put him on the list until we are sure he wins it, okay? Bigmaninthebox ( talk) 05:08, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
I'd like to make a suggestion that the navboxes for retired numbers for NFL teams have a 2px border in the team second dary color to mimic the jersey of the team.
examples:
As people can see the way with white lettering (if a team uses white numberals better matches the look of the team, is easier reading. I was told that the retired numebrs are meant to match the current roster boxes of the teams, I see no need for such a restraint, but I wanted to show a few examples of how this looks better.
I realize it is a small thing and whatever the consensus wants is fine. I think these boxes are different in that not every team retires numbers and the borders on Nav boxes add a little something to the display without being too busy.
Look at the examples above, the purple backgroud with yellow letters is dull, mundate and is not the mark or character of a vikigns jersey. It's just a simple remdention of the team colors. If the technology exists to look a little cleaner, sharper, then I am in favor of doing it. It makes the wiki NFL stuff look more professional to average readers, rather than just the editors. Bigmaninthebox ( talk) 20:28, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
ANother idea, 1 px border rather than two. I like toe 2px border, it captures the color and looks sharp, but for those who think it may be a bit too busy here is what 1 px looks like:
I agree that they may be too distracting, but if absolutely necessary, then the one above my comment looks fine.-- Truco 503 21:32, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
I have changed this navbox to the 1976 colors, looking for input. Looks good, and reflects the inagural season better that the 1997 colors. Bigmaninthebox ( talk) 04:52, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
can anyone keep an eye on Gaines Adams? Some reports of his death, but haven't seen any RS confirmations. May be worth keeping an eye or two on. StarM 16:34, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
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Vote for either (A) the old way, (B) PeeJay2K3's way or (C) PeeJay2K3's way for all but the roster and staff templates:
Black
Gold
Actually, the black looks pretty good, and it does match the team jerseys well. I also think for some teams, like the Steelers, it would be better to only use two colors:
As for using jersey letter colors for the border, what about the Steelers whose numbers are white? White just blends in. Also, I think silver does look good for the Colts. ~ Richmond96 t • c 01:24, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
Except for details or particulars, I think there is a consensus for 2x borders . . . if there is a particualr dispute as to specifics on a team, such as which color the font should be, we should go forward with changes as per consensus. Bigmaninthebox ( talk) 03:15, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
Here's an example of the roster templates with and without borders:
Running Backs
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Offensive Linemen
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Linebackers
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Running Backs
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Offensive Linemen
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Linebackers
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After seeing them side-by-side, I feel that the border looks best. What do you guys think? ~ Richmond96 t • c 05:37, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
If you have a consensus for it.► Chris Nelson Holla! 16:57, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
It's not that the vote doesn't matter, it's just that it didn't originally apply to roster templates because that was not what was brought up. It applies no more to NFL roster templates than it does to MLB templates. You voted on one thing - navboxes - and roster templates don't fall into that category.► Chris Nelson Holla! 20:12, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
Alright, so is it safe to say that a consensus has finally been reached? ~ Richmond96 t • c 01:40, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
Question: Are we using the color templates or the actual hex? I've seen both so far. Pats1 T/ C 02:16, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
A - No changes. B - Borders on all navboxes and roster/staff templates. C - Borders only on navboxes.
Vote | User |
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B | Bigmaninthebox |
B | Richmond96 |
B | PeeJay |
B | McDanny74 |
B | RussFrancisTE81 |
C | Bender235 |
B | Eagles 24/7 |
C | Giants27 |
Has anyone ever seen List of Super Bowl head coaches? The name of the page seems odd to me. This is really just a list of Superbowl results, isn't it? Timneu22 ( talk) 17:33, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
I was looking at the season pages for many years, and each one has almost their own different style for the table of contents and how its organized. So I looked at the 2008 Pittsburgh Steelers season GA and put a twist on it and added the style to 2009 Baltimore Ravens season and 2009 New Orleans Saints season. Opinions welcomed and hopefully we can come up with a consensus on a TOC format. -- Truco 503 04:51, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
I've made some suggestions for changes to the All-Pro articles (e.g. 2009 All-Pro Team). I'd love to get some input as to the merit of my proposals, which are at Talk:2009 All-Pro Team. Thanks! — Deejayk ( talk) 18:05, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
It has been bothering me beyond belief that the template for starting quarterbacks was incomplete only missing the
Philadelphia Eagles. So I went ahead and broke down and created the LAST Starting quarterback list needed for the Eagles today. You can see it
here. This is the template I'm referring to:
Template:NFLteamstartingquarterbacks
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User:Aleavitt18 and me had a little discussion about whether we should list Haloti Ngata as DE or NT. NFL.com lists him as DE, while Ravens.com says Nose Tackle. I always thought we use NFL.com as primary source, do we? -- bender235 ( talk) 17:47, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
First of all, I assume anything to do with the AFL goes here. If not, I apologize, but to my point: Template:Infobox AFLretired is set up such that if one who played in the AFL didn't retire until 1970 or later, it lists the final season as X AFL season, with X being the season. Is there a way to set it up in the template so that it will automatically go to X NFL season, or do we need to make a whole bunch of redirects? DandyDan2007 ( talk) 11:08, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
The article History of the New York Giants is undergoing a review as part of the good article sweeps project. The article does not seem to meet current requirements for a good article. It has been put on hold for a week; if these issues are addressed satisfactorily within that period the article will be kept as a GA, otherwise it will be delisted.
The editor who originally brought the article to GA-status is no longer active in the project. The changes requested should be relatively feasible, so if anyone here would like to take the job upon themselves, that would be highly appreciated. Lampman ( talk) 15:09, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
At Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sports#NHL, NFL, NBA, MLB Infoboxes Beast from da East ( talk) 22:48, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
The template shows the hight as 5'9" but is there a reason we are using the 5'9". I've rarely, if ever seen it used in sports, On almost all roster going back to 1950s it would be seen as 5-9. The templatee may be technically correct, but this is football, noy science class. right? Bigmaninthebox ( talk) 22:28, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
Could someone look over the Hakim Akbar article and give it a fair assessment? I think it's better than a start class, but I creted it and did most of the work, so I'm not a good one to judge. Thanks, Cra sh Underride 07:18, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Summary: added Template:nfl predraft
I was on the Reggie Bush page today, and noticed a grid (with an error) that was a custom-built grid for that page. Then I went to a couple more player pages ( Vince Young) and I saw the same grid (with the same error!). How common is this grid? If it is used on more than 5 pages — which seems quite likely — this thing needs to be turned into a template.
I suggest someone request a bot that will intelligently determine how many pages have this custom grid, then someone move it appropriately to a template and update all the offending pages. There is no reason for that grid to exist multiple times. Timneu22 ( talk) 12:24, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
Pre-draft measureables | |||||||||||||||||||
Height | Weight | 40-yard dash | 10-yard split | 20-yard split | 20 ss | 3-cone | Vert | Broad | BP | Wonderlic | |||||||||
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5-9⅛* | 205* | 4.50** | 1.50 | 2.58 | 3.89** | 6.66** | 34″ | 9′07″ | 23* | 17* | |||||||||
* represents NFL Combine **represents Michigan State Pro Day | |||||||||||||||||||
"X" Denotes "No Data" or "Did Not Participate" |
How is this one? Bigmaninthebox ( talk) 02:10, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
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Just want to point these out. We could start using these for the 09 season. I was going to create them. but someone else already had.
Only a couple of pages use them:
Any thoughts? ~ Richmond96 t • c 22:01, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
the Bears list is missing Mike Hohensee and Steve Bradley —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.131.21.78 ( talk) 15:26, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
I was wondering if someone else could go and review my work on the article about Seattle Seahawks Long snapper Jeff Robinson. I'd like someone who's impartial. Also, if you could have a look at my recent major contributions to National Football League player articles, I'd really appreciate it. When I expand and article from a stub, I ALWAYS classify it as a Start class article, even though there's a possiblity it could be higher. If you have an questions don't hesitate to leave them on my talk page, I enjoy hearin' from ya, except you Chris, lol, just kidding. Cra sh Underride 20:00, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
I was looking at the archives of this talk and I first went to archive 3 which had discussions from 30 November 2005 to 2 March 2006. And then the 4th archive starts at 15 January 2008. So what happened to the discussions from 2 March 2006 to 15 January 2008? Why aren't they also archived? -- Gman124 talk 03:25, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Ok I found it some of the talks are on archive4, archive5 and achive6 so I would like to propose the following five moves.
Thank You. Gman124 talk 03:49, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Hello there, the above article, which falls under the auspices of this Wikiproject, has come under review as part of GA Sweeps and a number of problems have been identified and listed on the talk page. If these problems have not begun to be addressed by seven days from this notice, the article will be delisted from GA and will have to go through the WP:GAN process all over again to regain its status once improvements have been made. If you have any questions, please drop me a line.-- Jackyd101 ( talk) 00:26, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Back in April, Bucs moved the article describing the Oilers-Bills wild-card game from "The Comeback (American football)" to "Buffalo Bills-Houston Oilers 1993 playoff game", ultimately moved to the present title ("1993 Buffalo Bills-Houston Oilers Wild Card playoff game") by Highway99. The reasoning used for the first move was that, supposedly, there was no real proof this particular game is commonly called "The Comeback" (verbatim quote).
But then, I did a search and found some of this. I may look for more on this tomorrow.
ScoresReport Article from the Bills' own website
And I believe every single video about this game refers to it as "The Comeback". What I'm wondering is whether or not it would be wise to move the article back to "The Comeback (American football)"? WAVY 10 Fan ( talk) 02:27, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi guys, I just wanted to drop in to say that the article on the Colts-Patriots rivalry is up for deletion. Thought y'all would be interested. SMSpivey ( talk) 22:02, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
why is the project deleting articles key to football interest. COverage of topics about items such as this are important and it goes to the driving forces behind interest in sports at all. thnx 67.83.134.124 ( talk) 16:39, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
List of San Francisco 49ers first-round draft picks is currently a Featured List Candidate. -- Gman124 talk 02:49, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Until now, any undrafted player who made an NFL roster has been eligible to be listed in the Notable Undrafted Players section of the draft in which they were eligible but not selected. There has been discussion at 2008 NFL Draft to limit the inclusion into this section. I brought that discussion here to get wider input. If we are going to limit the inclusion criteria, I think that they should be set objectively so that we do not have endless debates as to what makes a player notable enough for inclusion.
As I see it, the options would be one or some combination of those listed below:
1. Making an NFL roster.
2. Seeing actual playing time. (May be hard to verify)
3. Garnering official game stats.
4. Becoming a significant contributor to the team, such as the nickel back. (May be hard to verify)
5. Becoming a starter on the team.
6. Gathering votes towards an award such as Diet Pepsi NFL Rookie of the Week or NFL Rookie of the Year.
7. Being selected for an award such as those in number 6 or teams such as the Pro Bowl or an All-Pro team.
There is an argument to be made, with which I happen to agree, that since every player who makes an NFL roster is notable enough to have his own article, then he should be listed as a notable undrafted player. Many of the drafted players who are listed will not make an NFL team at all nor even merit their own article.
That being said, I think that if consensus is to limit the inclusion in this section, then numbers 5, 6, and 7 would be the bare minimum for inclusion. Please chime in so we can get a uniform standard.-- 2008Olympian chitchat 20:37, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
- What needs to happen is another article, perhaps entitled "Notable undrafted NFL players" needs to be created. In that list can contain any undrafted player to make an NFL roster, or start, or whichever, organized by year. On that articles talk page we can argue over who is notable enough, but to me it should contain any undrafted player with a Wikipedia article.
- But please see the common sense. As I said, an article entitled NFL Draft 2008 should be about who was drafted, not who wasn't. -- MrShamrock ( talk) 22:34, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
With the final few picks going off the board Sunday evening, Haynos' phone started to ring. The Dolphins, San Francisco 49ers and Green Bay Packers wanted Haynos to sign on as an undrafted free agent
"I can tell you that we were strongly considering him along with Bo [Ruud] in the seventh round and we ended up taking Bo," Belichick said. "But those were two of the players that we were talking a lot about. When the draft was over, we went back and Gary wasn't drafted, so we came back on him, and of course his question was, 'Well, why didn't you take me in the seventh round?' –– and that was a good question."
The notion that UDFA's have nothing to do with the draft is not entirely right. However, there's nothing particularly impressive about undrafted guys making a roster, which is why there must be higher standards for a notable UDFA section.► Chris Nelson Holla! 04:20, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
This article might be illustrative as to the level of playing time required: Undrafted players have huge role for playoff teams, where it gives an All-undrafted team (with honorable mentions): it actually uses the phrase "Notable undrafted free agents".-- 2008Olympian chitchat 05:01, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Hey, you voted for being a starter, I agreed, as did Lowellian and Mastrchf. That was a unanimous decision behind that requirement. How is that not consensus? Then Mastrchf asked how many games, and argued for at least four. I thought that fine, and no else said different. So I took the time to verify that everyone had at least four games. Carpenter kicked every field goal for the Dolphins. The only outlier was MrShamrock who argued that none of the players should be included because the article was about drafted players, which you and I soundly rebuffed.-- 2008Olympian chitchat 08:13, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
1. A notable, lasting accomplishment, like Smith's Pro Bowl or Tyree's catch -and/or- 2. A sustained starting job with a team. Not a few games and not just due to injuries to other players. I'm talking multiple years and an EARNED spot.
Chris, you can't just change the article based your decision to post some criteria and unilaterally decide that "this is a good way to go on this." There has been three or four other editors in addition to you and CShashaty that have weighed in. It's consensus, not who posted last, that controls.
The problem we have is that this is the most recent draft we have had, so of course it is the most difficult to judge who are the notable undrafted players. The standard that you guys are trying to promulgate is either too restrictive, only those who make pro bowls, or too forward looking: is this play notable in the future? has he played multiple years? I would argue that who is notable now may not be in a few years. "Multiple years" as a starter is too high a bar. That's about the average for an entire career in the NFL. Most players will be drafted players, so we are talking about mostly longshots to even make a roster. Look at this article: Undrafted players have huge role for playoff teams, which is from the NFL.com and gives a pretty good outside opinion on what is a notable undrafted player. Sam Hurd? He's not a starter, but he's on their list. If a player doesn't get drafted, but is a career journeyman in the league, I think that would be enough.
I voted initially to let everyone who makes an NFL roster to be on the list, but other editors said that bar was too low. So I gave several possibilities. Three other editors: Lowellian and Mastrchf, and Chrisjnelson agreed that being a starer would be the minimum. That was a unanimous decision behind that requirement.
Then Mastrchf asked how many games, and argued for at least four. I thought that fine, and no else said different. So I took the time to verify that everyone had at least four games. Carpenter kicked every field goal for the Dolphins. The only outlier was MrShamrock who argued that none of the players should be included because the article was about drafted players, which you and I soundly rebuffed. Then changed his opinion and wanted clear starters, which was aligned with Mastrchf's position earlier, so I went along with it.
Now Chris has changed his opinion on starters to needing "multiple years." Well that cannot be aligned with Mastrchf's guideline, nor along with what I and Lowellian had agreed to, because we were deciding how to choose from a pool of players who by definition had only started one year.
We also have to now consider the opinion of CShashaty, who wants to include Davone Bess, who started 6 out of a possible sixteen games. That is another opinion that is more aligned with the opinion of Mastrchf, who asked for four games started. So we are still unanimous as to the requirement of being a starter, the question remains how to determine who that is? I am going back to agreeing with what was initially proposed: if the player a suffucuent number of games started, no matter if it because of injuries (heck, Duane Thomas didn't smell starting until Calvin Hill got hurt), then it is enough. The best thing is that it is easily verifiable. So, we are at:
Last year's starters (unclear game-number determinant): Lowellian Four games: Mastrchf, 2008Olympian Six games: CShashaty, 2008Olympian Multiple years: Chrisjnelson
I understand Chrisjnelson's point about how it might look 10 years from now. I would consider this to be a continuing standard: the player must start at least one-fourth of his possible games. So, a two-year player would need to have started at least eight games, three-year twelve games, etc. So a player may come off of the list if he doesn't keep it up. I could also go for six games per season, but consensus at this point is for one of the two. Let's see if CShashaty, Mastrchf, or Lowellian weighs in again.-- 2008Olympian chitchat 21:07, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Lest I violate 3RR, I wante dto throw it to the group to come up with a standard for inclusion in the Super Bowl navboxes. As you can see over at Template:Super Bowl XLIII, I've been engaged in a disagreement about who belongs in these templates. I'm not sure if it's been ironed out prior to this, but I thought it would be good for the group to make a call one way or ther other. The main dispute is whether or not player that are on the practice squad or IR and nver play a regular season or post-season game should be included in the template. I fall on the side of not including these players, as they obviously were not active for the Super Bowl and did not accumulate any meaningful on-field contributions during the year. This would be akin to the World Series championship templates including the entire 40-man roster on the template, even if some of the players never saw maor league action nor played in the playoffs. I agree that players on IR who played significant and/or starting roles prior to their injury should be included (like Jeremy Shockey in Template:Super Bowl XLII), though with players that played sparingly (1 or 2 games or a handful of plays) before going on IR should not be included either. Thoughts? I just hope everyone's input can help end future edit warring. Thanks. - Masonpatriot ( talk) 05:22, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
From this article
American football A player who makes intentional contact with an official (e.g. touching the official to get his attention) will be ejected, and along with the ejection of the offending player comes a 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty against the offender's team.
Is this correct? It would seem extremely arbitary and unlikely that a player who taps an official on the shoulder and points out his shoelace is undone would get ejected from the game. If it is correct this needs to be cited to a reliable source. Exxolon ( talk) 01:29, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
There's an ongoing discussion about colors used in infoboxes here. -- MZMcBride ( talk) 03:57, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
I have proposed changing the colors of player template here. It is just an extension to the colors discussion that was posted there and about which was informed one message above. see here please. -- Gman124 talk 23:13, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Hey everyone. Just a heads up, but List of Kansas City Chiefs starting quarterbacks is under an FLC review, but looks like it needs a bit more support to be promoted to be a Featured List. Anybody who can drop by and add suggestions or a 'support' vote will be much appreciated. Go here to give feedback. conman33 ( . . .talk) 04:32, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Jack Youngblood is up for GA for the second time. I have to admit, the first time it was up, it was pretty bad. Yet, I think it is a pretty good article now. I had one person post their opinoin thus far and would like to hear from others. -- Pinkkeith ( talk) 22:37, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
J. Matthew Bailey and I have been having a discussion of the best way to present " coaching tree" information on NFL coach pages, as well as how much information is appropriate to present. I feel that it's valuable to understand what position (i.e. at how high a level and on what side of the ball) an assistant served under a mentor. My thinking is that this bit of information is valuable in weighing how much influence that mentor might have had on the mentee (e.g. a def. coord. under a defensive-minded head coach might be perceived as more of a "disciple" than an defensive position coach under an offensive-minded head). Mr. Bailey counters that this is unnecessary duplication of resume information which should be in the coach's infobox.
In addition, we are attempting to determine whether this information is best presented in a simple bulleted list or in a table. I guess the question of how much detail to provide weighs on this choice as well.
Here are a couple of examples:
Another option (and probably the best) would be to create a visual family-tree type diagram (as seen for Marty Schottenheimer but this approach is much more difficult to maintain and seems more appropriate for retired coaches.
Which of these approaches do you think best serves the purpose? Or do you have other ideas? Please share your opinions.-- Deejayk ( talk) 16:21, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
I don't know if anyone noticed this or not, but there is discussion about A-class articles being a higher grade then GA-class articles here. Basically the A-class articles are assesed by Wikiproject. For example see Military History WikiProject. Is this something we would like to do as well. That way we can go from getting an article as an A-class and then to a FA-class instead of going from GA-class and then FA-class. -- Pinkkeith ( talk) 17:40, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Please stop by and voice your opinion in the ongoing discussion on the use of team colors in sports infoboxes.-- 2008Olympian chitchat 06:17, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
I was wondering if somebody could clarify when we use endashes on WP for NFL pages, and sports pages in general. Say the Dolphins had a record of 11 wins and 5 losses, would it be 11-5 or 11–5? I've been told that records use hyphens (11-5) but game scores (Dolphins beat Seahawks 21–19). Do we use endashes for everything or just scores? This is really confusing and I've run into this problem way too many times when my articles are under peer review where some say endashes for everything and some say endashes just for game scores. I've already read up on WP:NDASH but still not sure what the hell to do. Thanks conman33 ( . . .talk) 23:04, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Someone added Redskins Alumni Network to many pages in wikipedia. I have deleted it every time because it is a social networking site. I just wanted to double-check: I am right about deleting this, right? Jwalte04 ( talk) 16:18, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
I just thought I would let people know, I created a list of players pages who dont have articles at Wikipedia:WikiProject National Football League/Articles to create, so if anyone is interested, feel free to check the list and create them.-- Yankees10 17:06, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
Someone needs to fix up the Colts page. The history section is way too long. ~ Richmond96 t • c 23:57, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi! I'd like to draw your attention to the new WikiProject coordinators' working group, an effort to bring both official and unofficial WikiProject coordinators together so that the projects can more easily develop consensus and collaborate. This group has been created after discussion regarding possible changes to the A-Class review system, and that may be one of the first things discussed by interested coordinators.
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Is there a reason there is a List of Super Bowl head coaches and another list called List of Super Bowl winning head coaches List of Super Bowl head coaches already contains the information provided in List of Super Bowl winning head coaches. But I just wanted to make sure if there was some reason for having two similar looking lists before doing something. -- Gman124 talk 02:59, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
The depth chart that was just added to 2009 Washington Redskins season looks like a big, sprawling piece of doo-doo. Anyone up for making a tighter depth-chart template?-- 2008Olympian chitchat 20:32, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
OK, I honestly can't find any other place to post this question, so if it's in the wrong place, please let me know. I've been vigorously editing the 2009 Indianapolis Colts season article and today have been doing the same thing to the 2009 Arizona Cardinals season article. I've got 7-10 "free agents" to add to the list on the Cardinals article, and i'm checking their website, and they all say "tendered one-year offer". I have no idea what that means and would like some clarification. Does the "tendered one-year offer" mean that the player has accepted a one-year offer with the team, and they are no longer a free agent, or that they have been offered a contract and nothing further? I know the details of what distinguishes an UFA, RFA, and ERFA from each other, i'm just confused about the term "tendered". Any help would be appreciated. Thanks! Manningmbd ( talk) 06:06, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
For the list of free agents for each team, please see the official list here.-- 2008Olympian chitchat 07:03, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
[User: Tavix] has written a thoughtful commentary on naming conventions for football players at WP:FBNC. There has been a discussion on several user talk pages about this, but an admin wanted consenus, so it needs to be on a non-user page. Please weigh in.
-- 2008Olympian chitchat 00:50, 6 March 2009 (UTC)It is generally preferred to use a noun that describes the person, rather than an activity, genre, or affiliation (chemist, not chemistry). However, this can sometimes lead to awkward or overly-long disambiguations, in which case a shorter but still clear term should be used (baseball, not baseball player and coach).
The relevant guideline is WP:NCP. The ongoing effort to clarify its implications for sportspeople is at WP:NCSP. DoubleBlue ( talk) 00:52, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
No, you're creating too much work. Just disamb all the American, Canadian, etc. football players the same way. Why have two different disambiguations? Uniformity is a good thing. "Football" is useless as a disamb.-- 2008Olympian chitchat 01:08, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
This is from a... I can't even say the s-word... fan, even though it might be ambiguous, if I understand it correctly this is about "Thomas Edward "Tom" Brady, Jr. (born August 3, 1977) is an American football quarterback for...", am I right? I think the best usage would be for all different codes to use this style "is an [[United States|American]] [[American football|football]] player" for american american football players, and go by the players sporting nationalities common usage, so for example the only european american football player I know of
Morten Andersen would've been when he was active "is a [[Danish people|Danish]] [[American football]] player", and somone like Clint Dempsey would be (as it is) "is an [[United States|American]] [[Association football|soccer]] player", just how I would do it
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Since I noticed some move-warring a few days ago by some of the people involved in this discussion, I have been attempting to prevent further edit-warring until the issue is resolved. Not having a strong opinion on these issues and not being involved in editing any of these articles, I feel I can act neutrally. I have the following comments so far:
I have the following proposals:
Your thoughts on the above are welcomed. — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 10:27, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm just waiting for the assent of a few others involved in this discussion. If they could just indicate whether they are happy with the above? Thanks, — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 11:35, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
Take a look at this photo stream from Flickr. There are almost 7,00 photos, all taken by a professional sports photographer (all of them his), and they're all licensed as CC-BY-SA. So if you have any need of a good NFL picture, I would advise you look through this treasure trove of images. Also, if you could add any newly uploaded photos on the Commons to Category:NFL photos taken by Keith Allison, that would be great. Thanks, Noble Story ( talk • contributions) 01:38, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
See Wikipedia talk:Featured list criteria#Revised criteria III. Dabomb87 ( talk) 22:01, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
I have nominated List of NFL champions for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks, where editors may declare to "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Dabomb87 ( talk) 22:19, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Per Wikipedia:Lists (stand-alone lists)#Naming conventions, lists' titles should normally start out as "List of..." The season articles currently do not follow this convention; I propose that we move all the lists to comply with this guideline. WikiProject NBA supported these moves unanimously. In the interest of consistency, especially with our featured lists, I think these lists should be moved. Dabomb87 ( talk) 01:20, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) All right then, seems that we have consensus, I will move the lists (you all are welcome to help) in about 9 or 10 hours. Dabomb87 ( talk) 12:25, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm posting a discussion page comment here in order to hopefully garner more expansive discussion regarding a current issue with the Jay Cutler article. A user is editing Cutler's birth place and birth year, stating that Cutler was born during 1981 in Georgia. However, as I said in the discussion page there, almost every sports website (which includes NFL.com) states Cutler was born during 1983 in Indiana. The official Broncos website lists Cutler as being born in Georgia; however, it's the only website that states he's apparently from there, which leads me to believe that there might be an error on that site. Anyway, if some of you out there could please engage in the discussion on that page, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. -- Luke4545 ( talk) 14:50, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Heads up from an article from the Washington Post:
"Each team has a line for "GM" on its Wikipedia profile. Thirty teams have a person's name in that slot. For the Redskins, the GM role is currently being filled by "none...Now, sure, this is sort of a creation of Wikipedia's warped collective mind. The Cincinnati Bengals' GM is listed as Mike Brown, although the team Web site doesn't suggest this to be the case. (He's described there as "President," and no one is listed as GM.) The Colts' GM is listed as Bill Polian, whose title is also officially "president." The Cowboys' GM is listed as Jerry Jones, which is true, but possibly not any less depressing than the situation in D.C. Al Davis is listed as the Raiders' GM, and whatever his real title is, it's not good."
I would change this myself, but I'm not filled with NFL info right now, so maybe this could be addressed (or discussed at least) by someone else. Noble Story ( talk • contributions) 14:00, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Wow, the guy says that he's not the GM and blames WP for not listing him as such. He's quite the reporter. black ngold29 19:20, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
I didn't notice a section or page for requesting an assessment of an article like some other projects have so I'll post it here. Would anyone mind reviewing Herb Adderley? I recently referenced a lot of info that was there, and added (with ref) a decent chunk more. I'm guessing it may now be higher than start class.-- Rockfang ( talk) 20:43, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
How about [[Category: Multi-sport ahtlete]] or [[Category:NFL players who have been in legal trouble]] (or possibly [[Category: Sportspeople in legal trouble]]). What do you think? RF23 ( talk) 22:07, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi I think when current team roster templates are updated, the appropriate season articles should be updated too, under trades, free agents signings, key roster losses, etc. sections, with a reliable source of course. Same for coaches and staff ones if notable. Thoughts? TomCat4680 ( talk) 13:05, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi I saw on 2009 Detroit Lions season#2009 NFL Draft that the Lions drafted Matt Stafford #1 overall. They poorly sourced it to an article from October but The Detroit News article I found ( here) said its NOT official yet. Please make sure that all 2009 articles don't jump the gun like this again. I suggest no charts get filled in until the draft is completely over at midnight Sunday. Also they should all contain the {{current event|section}} tag. TomCat4680 ( talk) 06:15, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
...at least not that easily. There has to be public upheaval of some sort for it to be included. Same for the World Series, NHL Finals and the NBA Finals. – Howard the Duck 06:47, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
There has been an idea that was brought of at WT:HOCKEY about the merging their current head coach template and the coaches by team template. So, does anyone else think that {{ NFLHeadCoaches}} and {{ NFL head coaches by team}} should be merged? Links to the coach lists (from the the second) could be added next to the coaches' names (in the first) instead of a link to the team. Every place these are used, there will already be plenty of links to the actual team article. We would slightly modify the heading of the first one just by removing "Current". The idea was created by — Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ), so big ups to him. The current NHL head coaches template is at Template:NHLHeadCoach. -- [[ SRE.K.A.L.| L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 20:43, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm just going to merge both templates by tomorrow if no one comment or replies. -- [[ SRE.K.A.L.| L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 19:03, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
There is an ongoing dispute between User:Yankees10 and me, so I'm asking you guys for some additional opionions. Yet I do not want to split up the debate, so please consider leaving your comment at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football#Expert quotes on player articles. Thanks. -- bender235 ( talk) 14:42, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Can someone please fact check 2009_Detroit_Lions_season#2009_NFL_Draft. I'm confused about how they acquired pick 115. Thanks. TomCat4680 ( talk) 17:32, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
A user with a penchant for splitting article sections without discussion has created Logo article for the NFL teams. THis was reverted several times by a single user, who then approached an admin, who blocked the splitter for not discussing the situation at all. However, all this was done without discussion of on the NFL team pages that I watch (Titans and Falcons), nor any discussion here, nor any notice in the reverts of the discussions on the user's page. The project should at least have been notified of such activities. It seems to me that an acticle on the logos of each team would be useful, especially if they cover historical logos too. Do such articles already exist? Comments? - BillCJ ( talk) 23:03, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
I may be wrong but the link for the details of the nfl seasons (the links to "nflhistory.net") they all broken or something like that; I only checked them from 1920 to 1942 and none of them works. I think those files were moved to the Pro Football Researchers page, for example this one is for the details of the 1942 season. I don't usually edit on english wikipedia, and instead I edit on spanish, and there is so few info about football there that I already fixed that detail in spanish wiki. ¿Anybody wish to fix this little detail here in english wiki? I have a lot of work trying to translate any information about football to spanish. See you later. -- Ahabvader ( talk) 20:34, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Anybody object to adding a "current" parameter to {{ NFL team}}, similar to what is used on {{ Infobox football club}}? For an example, see the bottom of the infobox for New York Red Bulls and the other MLS team articles. I ask because a couple of people are starting to enforce strict rules on the use of {{ Current sport-related}} and the other Temporal templates. Cheers. Zzyzx11 ( talk) 01:17, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Does your project care about what happens to the talk pages of articles that have been replaced with redirects? If so, please provide your input at User:Mikaey/Request for Input/ListasBot 3. Thanks, Matt ( talk) 02:18, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
How come a player's height and weight aren't inculded in the Individual biographies? These stats are always present in pro football books, articles and websites. Can we add them in? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yozick72 ( talk • contribs) 10:48, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Tom Brady has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here. Wizardman 16:47, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
There is a debate over at Talk:2008 All-Pro Team as to the best format of the article. Feel free to comment-- 2008Olympian chitchat 07:03, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm currently having a dispute with an IP regarding the inclusion of Brandon Marshall's nickname, "The Beast." The nickname is sourced and has been in the article for a while. Anyway, the IP is claiming that because other players may have that same nickname, along with the fact that he feels Marshall "hits women," that somehow justifies the removal of the nickname. I don't want this to lead to any 3RR-based blocks; so, I'm hoping there are users out there who would be willing to watch the article and/or offer their own thoughts on the matter. Thank you. -- Luke4545 ( talk) 17:38, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
I have nominated List of Minnesota Vikings seasons for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. BUC ( talk) 17:26, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
I've started a discussion here, proposing that we upgrade this template to use Template:Infobox. Please discuss. Gary King ( talk) 03:34, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
I stumbled upon the Advanced NFL Stats article while looking for something else. I was not sure if it belonged on Wikipedia, so nominated it fr deletion. Your input on whether it should stay or not would be greatly appreciated. This AFD discussion can be found here, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Advanced NFL Stats. Thanks for your time. -- StarScream1007 ►Talk 22:48, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi, should i add the player's salaries into the player's infoboxes. -- Saffi2k7 ( talk) 01:00, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Is Cato June in File:Bush Congratulates 2006 Colts.jpg? If not is there an alternate version with him in it?-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 03:29, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
I am interested in massively editing, with the help of others, the List of NFL records held by Jerry Rice. It is rife with irrelevant material (i.e. factually accurate, but insignificant) that simply obscures more pertinent accomplishments. The records are also quite literally gerrymandered to boost Rice's accomplishments (and, ironically, they don't even need boosting). Simply because Randy Moss now holds the single-season receiving touchdowns record, is it necessary to say Rice holds the record for most "Touchdown receptions in a season by a player with 73 touches or less (22)"? We certainly wouldn't consider it a record on John Doe's page if he had the most touchdown receptions in a season by a player with 58 touches or less. It's simply irrelevant.
For example, when Rice has scored more points than any other non-kicker, it's simply unnecessary to have all six of the following listed as records:
I propose editing the page to look more like List of career achievements by Brett Favre, which is well organized and well sourced. I don't want to start making changes without getting additional opinion. J. Matthew Bailey ( talk) 23:31, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
Why are articles of the certain playoffs, like the NFL playoffs, 2008-09, named as such? Why aren't they 2008-09 NFL playoffs?-- Truco 503 23:13, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
YEAR SUBJECT
naming comvention, the NFL playoff articles with the SUBJECT, YEAR
format never got changed.
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I have nominated List of Denver Broncos first-round draft picks at WP:FLC and would like to receive from the NFL experts comments/concerns about the list here. Thank you.-- Crzy cheetah 06:49, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
I guess in the midst of copying and pasting fair use rationales, someone forgot to replace important text on the rationales. For example on this Chicago Bears logo:
Someone might want to go through the logos, helmets, uniforms and other copyrighted images of the NFL articles and see if any other errors like this exist. — ℳℴℯ ε 23:15, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
I have nominated Category:Canadian Football League free agents ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. DoubleBlue ( talk) 17:25, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
I have nominated List of Super Bowl champions for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Matthewedwards : Chat 16:43, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
When a player retires he is placed on the Reserve/Retired list if he still has a contract. He is removed only when the team releases him. But why is it when a player is retired he is list as Did Not Report instead of Reserve/Retired (e.g. Jake Plummer). Is it that they are under contract and still obligated to report even if they are retired. Ositadinma ( talk) 18:10, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
I want to add weight to this subject, especially regarding Jake Plummer. There is no reason to keep him on the Buccaneers roster on here. Both parties have come out in the media to say they have come to a settlement and cancelled the contract. The league has accepted his retirement papers and he is officially retired. He now falls into the same catagory as many players that have come before him. You do not see all these players, such as Mike Alstott, listed in this section of the roster. I have repeatly tried to change the entry on the page but users keep changing it back with no good reason! jitsugreg ( talk) 09:23, 28 August 2009
Eldorado Owens keeps trying to add a huge list of Players of the week to this page. I was wondering if you guys thought this was appropriate or if the list sould be put into a table.-- Tim1357 ( talk) 20:13, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
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Sorry if this isn't the right place to discuss this, but the Bills uniforms are shown as Blue jersey with white pants and white jersey with blue pants. While the Bills do sometimes wear these combinations, it is very rarely, and they almost always wear blue on blue and white on white. I just thought that those two combos should be included in the page.
While not strictly an NFL-related issue. Category:African American players of American football has been nominated for deletion, along with a sister category for African American players of Canadian football. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 01:36, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
I was amazed that this page didn't exist nor does one for the Philadelphia Eagles. But I went ahead and created it here so I hope you all like it! — ASPENSTI— TALK— CONTRIBUTIONS 05:52, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
I have nominated List of New England Patriots seasons for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. -- Cheetah (talk) 23:14, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
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I created a new roster template for the College football WikiProject more info (announcement here). I believe I have customized it enough for the NFL. Well, I guess the only customization is making the class column optional. You can see the new template in action at the 2009 Oklahoma Sooners football team article.
Any feedback would be welcome appreciated.— NMajdan• talk 03:50, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
I'm pretty new to editing wiki, but wanted to create a page for NFL weekly awards. The NFL hands out awards to 6 players each week...offensive, defensive and special teams player of the week for each conference, AFC & NFC. In addition, the NFL announces a monthly winner for each, awarded for September, October, November, and December. And lastly, there is a monthly award given to the offensive and defensive rookies of the month.
The offensive and defensive awards started in 1984, and special teams was added in 1993. I have most of the data, but there are some considerable gaps in the 1980's and early 1990's that would need filled in. The info can be found in yearly NFL Record & Fact Books (for instance, I have the 1991 record & fact book which includes all of 1990's winners). The rest of the info I have was obtained from recent team media guides that include it. I have 100% of the awards info from 1997 to 2009.
I don't even know if this is the right place to bring this up, but since there is a page for FedEx air & ground weekly awards, and pepsi rookie of week awards, i thought it would be appropriate to have a page for this NFL award. If somebody who edits NFL pages frequently could let me know what to do, that would be great
thanks
PS: sorry, i don't know how to include my user name like others have, but my user name is Eldorado Owens —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eldorado Owens ( talk • contribs) 07:08, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
The NFL is a copyrighted name. Shouldn't/couldn't Wiki be sued for infringement? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tatumstevens2 ( talk • contribs) 19:36, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
User:Ethan9456 added starting lineups (like this) to each 2009 Philadelphia Eagles game, but they were very bulky and I did not see the purpose of adding them to all NFL pages. Could someone look into this? Eagles 24/7 (C) 02:18, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
I have requested a bot that would go through various templates and replace hyphens (-) with en dashes (–) in certain parameters. Any other suggestions, approval or even disapproval would be appreciated. Also, if I missed any template, please add it to the list on the Bot request page. Thanks.— NMajdan• talk 16:05, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Do all infoboxes need to be changed to NFLactive? For example; does the infobox NFL Player need to be changed or not? Thanks! Southwood Paul ( talk) 00:48, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
this Enigma msg 18:24, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
What's your opinion on players of the United Football League, like Shackelford who otherwise fails WP:ATHLETE, and as far as I could see didn't really play on that league neither. Secret account 01:52, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Anybody willing to merge 4th and 2 into Colts-Patriots rivalry?-- Giants 27( Contribs| WP:CFL) 02:45, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
Do all of the NFLretired infoboxes need to be changed to NFLactive infobox? I want to make sure. Thanks! Southwood Paul ( talk) 23:16, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
Woah, hold on there. Why are we changing all the infoboxes to active? This makes no sense to me. Wizardman 01:49, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
P.S. If you converted any back please put it back to nflactive. Thanks! Southwood Paul ( talk) 01:55, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Where is something about John Matuszak? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.236.47.147 ( talk) 17:38, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
Why? I just realized today that the infoboxes getting changed. So what's up with that? Who decided that this should be done? Actually I don't think it's a good idea that infoboxes of former NFL players who are now coaches get changed to "NFLactive". I also saw that the infobox of former 49ers HC Bill Walsh (a coach who never played in the NFL) was changed to "NFLactive" . "Height", "Weight" and "Last played" don't make any sense for a coaches infobox. There is the "Infobox NFL player coach" around. Don't get why those have to be changed to "NFLactive" too. Could someone enlighten me please? ( Armchair QB ( talk) 22:20, 18 December 2009 (UTC))
Well, if "switching infoboxes is a pain" it's not exactly comprehensible why you are now trying to switch all the infoxboxes which have been created before, may it be "NFL player coach" or "NFL retired". Honestly said that statement doesn't make much sense to me. But anyway, I don't have a problem with the name "NFLactive". Nor do I have much problems with the idea of switching the boxes of retired players (who are no longer involved in football). I just think that this infobox isn't exactly adequate for coaches. So do I get that right that you also plan to change all the infoboxes of current or former NFL head and assistant coaches (even those who haven't been NFL players) too? Honestly said I'm not in favor of that. Actually I would prefer that for coaches the "NFL player coach" infobox would be kept or that the "Infobox Gridiron football person" would be used. Just trying to voice my opinion on that matter. And just again the question: Was the idea of switching the infoboxes discussed somewhere before? ( Armchair QB ( talk) 23:28, 18 December 2009 (UTC))
I tried to get some opinions at WP:CFB, but no one has responded to a stylistic disagreement among the editors of Brandon Graham about how to discribe his All-American Status in his infobox. The disagreement is between whether it should say
I assume you NFL guys know the that NCAA only recognizes certain A-A list which it uses to describe who was A-A, consensus A-A (at least half these lists) and unanimous A-A (all these lists). According to the five lists that are recognized by the NCAA Graham is a consensus second team All-American with no first team recognition among any of the five that count. His only first team recognitions are by "unofficial" lists that do not count towards consensus or unanimous AA status. I feel it provides disinformation to the reader to describe a consensus second team player with no official first team recognition as "First-team All-American". Opinions welcome.-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 05:41, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
What is the purpose of {{ NFL navbox}}? Compared to {{ navbox}} it has zero additional features, plus it does not have a "titlestyle" parameter which means {{ NFLPrimaryColor}} et al. can't be implemented. IMHO we should delete this template. And with {{ CFB navbox}} it's just the same. -- bender235 ( talk) 19:28, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
Should every team's list of playoff years indicate the current year if they clinched a playoff berth, even though they haven't physically been in the playoffs yet? ( Example) Eagles 24/7 (C) 01:56, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
How should we list players names in roster templates by the DEFAULTSORT way that lists Mc's like Mac's (McCargo before Maybin in the Bills template) or the alpha way which is used already?
What is with Chris? Mac comes from Scotland/Ireland meaning of son. Mc is an contraction of Mac, some say the difference between Protestant and Catholic in Great Britian. But that was hundreds of years ago and people whoes names begin with an Mc are pronounced; McDonald, McGee, McCargo, etc. Not; MacDonald, MacGee, MacCargo, etc. If they wanted to be pronounced with an a then their would be one in their names, since names/pronounications change over the centuries (Some names are still pronounced with an a like, McElrath, even though having no a). But, I don't know what Chris is talking about alpha wise since Mc is a contraction of Mac (and it is by a player by player basis). What I am saying is that they should be listed alpha wise in terms of the alphabet, not by pronounications/contractions. Osi tadinma 20:38, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
If it is how Wikipedia sorts people's names for categories, why would we not sort names that way anywhere else here? Consistency makes the most sense.► Chris Nelson Holla! 22:27, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
Is there a section and/or page listing the various rules regarding when the game-clock stops or continues during an NFL game? I am looking for something detailed which includes: rushing plays, completed passes, incomplete passes, players running out-of-bounds, injuries, sacks, team time-outs, penalties, false starts after a play where the clock does not stop, measuring for a first-down, first play of the 2nd or 4th quarter. Some of these are obvious and known to almost all, but for some I am not so sure. Juve2000 ( talk) 02:09, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
During the last couple of days, I spent quiet some time implementing the NFL color templates—{{ NFLPrimaryColor}}, {{ NFLSecondaryColor}}, {{ NFLAltPrimaryColor}}, and {{ NFLAltSecondaryColor}}—on several NFL roster navboxes. However, User:Ositadinma reverted most of that changes. My question is: was it correct to implement those templates? -- bender235 ( talk) 20:21, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Update: It turned out that User:Ositadinma only edited those navboxes because User:Chrisjnelson reverted my changes on those color templates. I switched a couple of team colors to actually have alternative colors for some teams that previously had identical colors on the main color template and the alternative color template. Yet the question remains the same: do we implement those color templates to all navboxes and other templates relating to NFL teams (even if, in some cases, main colors and alt colors are identical)? -- bender235 ( talk) 20:36, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Some of the colors don't look good. You have the Ravens with black background/gold text secondary scheme. Both technically team colors, yes, but it doesn't look good in the template with the primary color scheme. Some teams just look better with only one scheme, which is why the secondary scheme matches the primary scheme in some cases.► Chris Nelson Holla! 22:00, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Some of the combinations just look like crap. The Raiders' secondary scheme looks too close to the free agent/retired colors. The Ravens' secondary scheme doesn't look like Ravens colors because black isn't major color of the team (except when they wear the black jerseys occasionally). There was just no need to fuck with the colors, and I'll keep reverting.► Chris Nelson Holla! 22:32, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
@Zzyzx11: Could you please name the color combinations that fail WP:COLORS? -- bender235 ( talk) 12:22, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
Saints Main Color Scheme Saints Alternate Color Scheme Panthers Main Color Scheme Panthers Alternate Color Scheme
I'm looking to collect some opinions on whether we should use the alternate color schemes on {{ Infobox NFLactive}} for Saints and Panthers players. Right now it's basically User:Chrisjnelson he decides on his own and brooks no dissent, which is why I'm asking fellow members of this WikiProject to pass a remark on this. Right now neither team's infoboxes use the alternate color scheme (see Drew Brees, Julius Peppers). -- bender235 ( talk) 14:02, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
Another topic: I intended to change the Broncos main color scheme from this to this to make it more distinguishable from the Bills , the Colts , the Giants , and the Patriots . Opinions? -- bender235 ( talk) 20:54, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
In my opinion, the Panthers colors are extremely hard to read the way they are. (See: Template:Carolina Panthers). ~ Richmond96 t • c 00:21, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Simple question: should we use the statweek
parameter of the {{
Infobox NFLactive}} to give a more accurate "as-of-date" for in-season stats, or shouldn't we? --
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Is there really no list of Pro Bowl players anywhere? Surprising. It could be sortable by team and position, etc., etc. Wknight94 talk 15:55, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Why does this category exist? Surely, since the LA Raiders was just a temporary name for the Oakland Raiders, all of the articles in Category:Los Angeles Raiders seasons should be moved to Category:Oakland Raiders seasons? – Pee Jay 18:56, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Is there a way to keep people from putting Tom Brady as this award winner. PFWA awards come out in a week or week and a half. We don't know if Brady won this award. Tom Brady did not win the PFWA Comeback Player of the Year, he won the AP Comeback player of the year. The one that is listed here is the PFWA Comeback player of the year . . . it's two different awards with the same name. I know it is confusing, but the PFWA award comes out in a couple of weeks, Brady may win it, and be the winner of both . . . but's let's not put him on the list until we are sure he wins it, okay? Bigmaninthebox ( talk) 05:08, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
I'd like to make a suggestion that the navboxes for retired numbers for NFL teams have a 2px border in the team second dary color to mimic the jersey of the team.
examples:
As people can see the way with white lettering (if a team uses white numberals better matches the look of the team, is easier reading. I was told that the retired numebrs are meant to match the current roster boxes of the teams, I see no need for such a restraint, but I wanted to show a few examples of how this looks better.
I realize it is a small thing and whatever the consensus wants is fine. I think these boxes are different in that not every team retires numbers and the borders on Nav boxes add a little something to the display without being too busy.
Look at the examples above, the purple backgroud with yellow letters is dull, mundate and is not the mark or character of a vikigns jersey. It's just a simple remdention of the team colors. If the technology exists to look a little cleaner, sharper, then I am in favor of doing it. It makes the wiki NFL stuff look more professional to average readers, rather than just the editors. Bigmaninthebox ( talk) 20:28, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
ANother idea, 1 px border rather than two. I like toe 2px border, it captures the color and looks sharp, but for those who think it may be a bit too busy here is what 1 px looks like:
I agree that they may be too distracting, but if absolutely necessary, then the one above my comment looks fine.-- Truco 503 21:32, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
I have changed this navbox to the 1976 colors, looking for input. Looks good, and reflects the inagural season better that the 1997 colors. Bigmaninthebox ( talk) 04:52, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
can anyone keep an eye on Gaines Adams? Some reports of his death, but haven't seen any RS confirmations. May be worth keeping an eye or two on. StarM 16:34, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
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Vote for either (A) the old way, (B) PeeJay2K3's way or (C) PeeJay2K3's way for all but the roster and staff templates:
Black
Gold
Actually, the black looks pretty good, and it does match the team jerseys well. I also think for some teams, like the Steelers, it would be better to only use two colors:
As for using jersey letter colors for the border, what about the Steelers whose numbers are white? White just blends in. Also, I think silver does look good for the Colts. ~ Richmond96 t • c 01:24, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
Except for details or particulars, I think there is a consensus for 2x borders . . . if there is a particualr dispute as to specifics on a team, such as which color the font should be, we should go forward with changes as per consensus. Bigmaninthebox ( talk) 03:15, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
Here's an example of the roster templates with and without borders:
Running Backs
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Offensive Linemen
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Linebackers
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Running Backs
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Offensive Linemen
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Linebackers
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After seeing them side-by-side, I feel that the border looks best. What do you guys think? ~ Richmond96 t • c 05:37, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
If you have a consensus for it.► Chris Nelson Holla! 16:57, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
It's not that the vote doesn't matter, it's just that it didn't originally apply to roster templates because that was not what was brought up. It applies no more to NFL roster templates than it does to MLB templates. You voted on one thing - navboxes - and roster templates don't fall into that category.► Chris Nelson Holla! 20:12, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
Alright, so is it safe to say that a consensus has finally been reached? ~ Richmond96 t • c 01:40, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
Question: Are we using the color templates or the actual hex? I've seen both so far. Pats1 T/ C 02:16, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
A - No changes. B - Borders on all navboxes and roster/staff templates. C - Borders only on navboxes.
Vote | User |
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B | Bigmaninthebox |
B | Richmond96 |
B | PeeJay |
B | McDanny74 |
B | RussFrancisTE81 |
C | Bender235 |
B | Eagles 24/7 |
C | Giants27 |
Has anyone ever seen List of Super Bowl head coaches? The name of the page seems odd to me. This is really just a list of Superbowl results, isn't it? Timneu22 ( talk) 17:33, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
I was looking at the season pages for many years, and each one has almost their own different style for the table of contents and how its organized. So I looked at the 2008 Pittsburgh Steelers season GA and put a twist on it and added the style to 2009 Baltimore Ravens season and 2009 New Orleans Saints season. Opinions welcomed and hopefully we can come up with a consensus on a TOC format. -- Truco 503 04:51, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
I've made some suggestions for changes to the All-Pro articles (e.g. 2009 All-Pro Team). I'd love to get some input as to the merit of my proposals, which are at Talk:2009 All-Pro Team. Thanks! — Deejayk ( talk) 18:05, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
It has been bothering me beyond belief that the template for starting quarterbacks was incomplete only missing the
Philadelphia Eagles. So I went ahead and broke down and created the LAST Starting quarterback list needed for the Eagles today. You can see it
here. This is the template I'm referring to:
Template:NFLteamstartingquarterbacks
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User:Aleavitt18 and me had a little discussion about whether we should list Haloti Ngata as DE or NT. NFL.com lists him as DE, while Ravens.com says Nose Tackle. I always thought we use NFL.com as primary source, do we? -- bender235 ( talk) 17:47, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
First of all, I assume anything to do with the AFL goes here. If not, I apologize, but to my point: Template:Infobox AFLretired is set up such that if one who played in the AFL didn't retire until 1970 or later, it lists the final season as X AFL season, with X being the season. Is there a way to set it up in the template so that it will automatically go to X NFL season, or do we need to make a whole bunch of redirects? DandyDan2007 ( talk) 11:08, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
The article History of the New York Giants is undergoing a review as part of the good article sweeps project. The article does not seem to meet current requirements for a good article. It has been put on hold for a week; if these issues are addressed satisfactorily within that period the article will be kept as a GA, otherwise it will be delisted.
The editor who originally brought the article to GA-status is no longer active in the project. The changes requested should be relatively feasible, so if anyone here would like to take the job upon themselves, that would be highly appreciated. Lampman ( talk) 15:09, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
At Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sports#NHL, NFL, NBA, MLB Infoboxes Beast from da East ( talk) 22:48, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
The template shows the hight as 5'9" but is there a reason we are using the 5'9". I've rarely, if ever seen it used in sports, On almost all roster going back to 1950s it would be seen as 5-9. The templatee may be technically correct, but this is football, noy science class. right? Bigmaninthebox ( talk) 22:28, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
Could someone look over the Hakim Akbar article and give it a fair assessment? I think it's better than a start class, but I creted it and did most of the work, so I'm not a good one to judge. Thanks, Cra sh Underride 07:18, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Summary: added Template:nfl predraft
I was on the Reggie Bush page today, and noticed a grid (with an error) that was a custom-built grid for that page. Then I went to a couple more player pages ( Vince Young) and I saw the same grid (with the same error!). How common is this grid? If it is used on more than 5 pages — which seems quite likely — this thing needs to be turned into a template.
I suggest someone request a bot that will intelligently determine how many pages have this custom grid, then someone move it appropriately to a template and update all the offending pages. There is no reason for that grid to exist multiple times. Timneu22 ( talk) 12:24, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
Pre-draft measureables | |||||||||||||||||||
Height | Weight | 40-yard dash | 10-yard split | 20-yard split | 20 ss | 3-cone | Vert | Broad | BP | Wonderlic | |||||||||
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5-9⅛* | 205* | 4.50** | 1.50 | 2.58 | 3.89** | 6.66** | 34″ | 9′07″ | 23* | 17* | |||||||||
* represents NFL Combine **represents Michigan State Pro Day | |||||||||||||||||||
"X" Denotes "No Data" or "Did Not Participate" |
How is this one? Bigmaninthebox ( talk) 02:10, 23 January 2010 (UTC)