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See here and elsewhere. Ejgreen77 ( talk) 13:10, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
smaller
style. The members of this wikiproject probably ought to consider how they may be using reduced font size in other team's templates as well. --
RexxS (
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17:08, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
The Hammond Pros Template is up for deletion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2019 March 21. Please comment on the discussion.- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 16:17, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
Template:Jets AFL All-Time Team is up for deletion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2019 March 20#Template:Jets AFL All-Time Team please comment in the discussion.- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 16:40, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
Folks, we really could use some more people from this project chiming in here. Again, what we have here is someone proposing deletion for the entire class of yearly draft navboxes for the Colts franchise. This TfD could have sweeping consequences, if it is successful, it would call into question everything in Category:National Football League draft navigational boxes as a potential TfD subject. Thanks, Ejgreen77 ( talk) 04:03, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
A discussion has been started about the Saints–Vikings rivalry at Talk:New Orleans Saints#Vikings Rivalry. Opinions would be appreciated. – Sabbatino ( talk) 10:40, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
Please see Talk:2012 Packers–Seahawks officiating controversy#Requested move 2 April 2019 for a requested move discussion I started for 2012 Packers–Seahawks officiating controversy to be moved to Fail Mary. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:50, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
What is WP:NFL's disambiguation naming convention? I stumbled upon one that would be needed, if/when the second player's article gets created.
Also, is there any chance these might be the same guy? Unlikely I'm sure but the time frames and lack of details about both of them doesn't rule it out. SportsGuy789 ( talk) 16:56, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
Does anyone know anything as to why the Carolina Panthers' primary color is showing a light "Carolina Blue" instead of black on their primary team article as well as all of their season articles? In the past, black has been the primary color and Carolina Blue has been the secondary color. Does anyone have a source indicating that the Panthers changed their primary jersey color from black to Carolina Blue? DPH1110 ( talk) 22:27, 10 April 2019 (UTC)DPH1110
A new Newsletter directory has been created to replace the old, out-of-date one. If your WikiProject and its taskforces have newsletters (even inactive ones), or if you know of a missing newsletter (including from sister projects like WikiSpecies), please include it in the directory! The template can be a bit tricky, so if you need help, just post the newsletter on the template's talk page and someone will add it for you.
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2018–19 NFC Championship Game#Requested move 26 April 2019. AIRcorn (talk) 17:45, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
The Los Angeles Chargers recently announced that powder blue, which had been the team's alternate jersey color since their 2007 uniform overhaul, will become their primary uniform color beginning with the 2019 season. Only administrators can edit the Gridiron color templates, but the Chargers primary style and Alt primary styles need to be modified to reflect powder blue as the primary color. DPH1110 ( talk) 19:06, 28 April 2019 (UTC)DPH1110
Second or third time I'm going to request this, but can somebody with infobox coding access/skills automatically disable the |status=
parameter from showing if |current_team=
is set to free agent? It surely can not be that big of an hassle to do as this is already done for numbers. ~
Dissident93 (
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06:47, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
|cflstatus=
as well.
Eagles
24/7
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01:59, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
Should NFL Top 100 be added to the infobox of a player? I am asking, because WP:NFLINFOBOX does not say anything about it, and SpeedyAbdo ( talk · contribs) has already added it to some infoboxes. – Sabbatino ( talk) 19:08, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
Hey all, I'm here to seek a review of a recent page move. OneBucPerson ( talk · contribs) got in touch with me through WP:DISCORD looking for help with Murphy-Bunting's recent name change. Unfortunately, we could only find these sources, none of which are particularly strong: Twitter, title of a news article (no explicit mention of name change), and the Buccaneers roster. I decided to cite the player roster to try and verify the name change. I also encouraged OneBucPerson to move the page to the name he's going under now. I know it's not ideal, and that hopefully better sources will come out in the coming days. Please let us know if there's other thing that can be done here, or if we've done anything wrong. All the best, Airplaneman ✈ 19:12, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
There is a disagreement over the Vikings' championships. The discussion regarding the matter can be found at Talk:Minnesota Vikings#or... – Sabbatino ( talk) 07:26, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
Hey, could someone from this project assess the article "2001 Jaguars-Browns officiating controversy." It would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, EDG 543 (talk) 16:47, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
I've noticed that these have been included on some infoboxes but aren't explicitly ruled out by WP:NFLINFOBOXNOT. Personally, I lean heavily towards excluding them (ex: "Big Ten Champion", "Independence Bowl MVP", SEC single season passing touchdown record (44) (2017) & FBS passing touchdowns leader (2017)) because it looks like WP:CRUFT to me and its more appropriate to be mentioned in the player's "college career" section. If there is already a consensus on these topics, please let me know. If not Let's try to establish one and add to the Player pages format. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 12:39, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
There are some season articles in which the team colors are on display in the preseason and regular season schedule tables. For example, here is the 2019 New England Patriots' preseason schedule table (below). Is this a trend that would be worth starting for all 32 teams, or would this just be too much of an eyesore once the tables become colored with light green (for wins) and light red (for losses)?
Week | Date | Kickoff ( EDT) | Opponent | Final score | Record | Game site | Channel | NFL.com recap |
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1 | August 8 | 7:30 p.m. | at Detroit Lions | Ford Field | ||||
2 | August 17 | 7:00 p.m. | at Tennessee Titans | Nissan Stadium | ||||
3 | August 22 | 7:30 p.m. | Carolina Panthers | Gillette Stadium | ||||
4 | August 29 | 7:30 p.m. | New York Giants | Gillette Stadium |
DPH1110 ( talk) 02:13, 22 May 2019 (UTC)DPH1110
There is an disagreement about the "Frequent matchups" at History of the National Football League championship. It was initially added by @ Andiharve: before I removed it completely since, in my opinion, it is nothing more than WP:TRIVIA, but the other editor has a different opinion about it and cites List of World Series champions as the justification for such list. What are your thoughts regarding such lists? – Sabbatino ( talk) 20:04, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
PatriotsFOREVER126 has made some large changes to the table formatting on all of the starting QB lists by team. As an example, see List of Green Bay Packers starting quarterbacks here. PeeJay2K3 and myself have reverted a few instances of these changes based on the number of games started after each QB name not making sense anymore, but I think to preempt any disagreement, it would be good to get come consensus on these changes. You can see the edits here: Special:Contributions/PatriotsFOREVER126. Thanks, « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:40, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
Although well intentioned, I'm not sure I agree with the changes at {{ NFL team history}} and the new template {{ NFL lore}} from User Psantora. I believe the consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/National Football League lore (2nd nomination) was that National Football League lore was not a cohesive enough topic to warrant an article. As such, it probably doesn't warrant a navigation template. And I believe that the expansion of {{ NFL team history}} has made it somewhat bloated and unusable as a navigation aid (see WP:NAVBOX). Instead of engaging directly on the user's talk page or the template talk pages, I figured this page would gain consensus quicker and easier. What does everyone think? Thanks, « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 22:38, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
There should be a Wikipedia article on the subject of the template.— Bagumba ( talk) 00:55, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
{{
NFL lore}}
template is
NFL history, so I disagree that
WP:NAVBOX#4 is not satisfied. These links were taken from the respective team navboxes (e.g. {{
Buffalo Bills}}
, {{
New England Patriots}}
, {{
Chicago Bears}}
, etc...), which each have culture/lore section(s). It makes sense to have a centralized listing for all of these links. I did this relatively quickly so I'm sure there are areas that need cleanup and additional targets that can be added; each grouping could be listed in chronological order for example. There is currently no centralized location that groups these links together and they are all related parts of NFL history, each notable enough to have a wikipedia article. That is why I created a navbox for it. As for whether it should be included in {{
NFL team history}}
or not, that can be debated separately. I obviously believe it fits there, but that would be a completely different discussion than whether or not the "lore" (I don't care what it is called) template is deleted. -
Paul
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{{
AT&T}}
for one example. Just because you are not familliar with something doesn't mean that it isn't a thing that can happen. -
Paul
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19:05, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
{{
French overseas empire}}
is another. Regardless, there currently is no general {{
NFL history}}
template. I was attempting to create one by nesting a few related templates into {{
NFL team history}}
. If the group prefers to keep that specifically focused on franchise history, fine, but I would argue that {{
NFL rivalries}}
is a natural extension of that directly relating to the history of the franchises and would be completely in line with that purpose if it were included in {{
NFL team history}}
. Regarding {{
NFL lore}}
, I created that template using a distracting name and the main purpose of it has been missed. I think it would be best to move that template to {{
NFL history}}
and expand it to included the non "history of..." articles that were removed from the {{
NFL team history}}
template. This template would cover all non-franchise related history of the NFL, of which there are plenty of articles that could and should be grouped in a navbox. -
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{{
French overseas empire}}
is a template masquerading as a list or Outline article (see
Outline of the United States). Again,
WP:NAVBOX is very clear on this: "If the collection of articles does not meet these tests, that indicates that the articles are loosely related, and a list or category may be more appropriate." Loosely related articles don't need navboxes. And navboxes inside of navboxes further waters down the purpose of navboxes and the ability to navigate to closely related articles.
« Gonzo fan2007
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20:49, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
templates with a large number of links are not forbidden, but can appear overly busy and be hard to read and use. Good templates generally follow some of these guidelines:(emphasis on "some" added) and points 1, 3, and 5 in particular:
All articles within a template relate to a single, coherent subject./
The articles should refer to each other, to a reasonable extent./
If not for the navigation template, an editor would be inclined to link many of these articles in the See also sections of the articles.all of which apply directly to these links (I argue that all five are met, but these three in particular are certainly not controversial). You mention
If the collection of articles does not meet these tests, that indicates that the articles are loosely related, and a list or category may be more appropriate.and there is nothing there stating that all such tests must be met. Regardless, the template, while it could use some improvement, does generally meet these guidelines. I don't understand your concern about scope creep. I'm not talking about adding anything to {{ NFL}}. There currently is nothing that groups these related articles together, how is having such a grouping not a benefit to the project? - Paul T +/ C 18:36, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
I've reverted recent changes at Template:NFL team history to have multiple links per team. It's seems like those extra minor topics should be in the respective team history articles already (or added if it is not); it clutters things if we try to make a flat directory where all topics, minor ones included, are listed.— Bagumba ( talk) 12:07, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
So this is what I see so far:
I think the point that is that the only logical connection for everything currently in the {{ NFL lore}} template is that it occurred in the NFL in the past. But unfortunately this scope is just too broad for a navbox. As an example, there is no concise connection between Lambeau Leap and Dirty Dozen (American football), which are both in the template, other than they are NFL lore (which was deleted because it didn't meet our guidelines). I think the best bet at this part is to let the discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2019 June 11#Template:NFL lore finish up. That should give us some consensus on how to move forward. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 22:37, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
A change was just made (two days ago) to Template:NFL season roster ( here), which added a section "Practice/Taxi squad". Is that a well understood term in the NFL? I'd never heard it before, and it jumped out at me as unlikely. Tarl N. ( discuss) 01:21, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
This portal is being considered for deletion in accordance with Wikipedia's Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:National Football League.-- Moxy 🍁 11:46, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
Is Bart Starr Award notable enough to be included in the player's infobox? BL.o-shay ( talk · contribs) added the award to many infoboxes, and Bagumba ( talk · contribs) reverted the addition at Aaron Rodgers citing the WP:NFLINFOBOX criteria. However, I cannot find anything there that would be against the award's inclusion and wanted to consult here before removing them. – Sabbatino ( talk) 15:16, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
While information must be verifiable in order to be included in an article, this does not mean that all verifiable information must be included in an article.Just because decisions aren't always unanimous is not a reason to resort to "all or nothing".— Bagumba ( talk) 03:10, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
I get that plain "football" can have many different meanings depending on where you are from, and that's how the use of "American football" came about. However, it seems like most soccer articles are invoking WP:TIES in BLP and team related article to just call it " football" while piping to Association football. See FA Manchester United F.C., GA Juventus F.C., and GA Lionel Messi as examples.
In fact, there was a
2018 Village Pump discussion on whether the specific code of football needed to be explicit, to which there was no consensus. Back in 2009, I saw that
Trovatore wrote, ... the American football articles say American football on first reference. There needs to be reciprocity. If there isn't, then the American football articles could also just call it football on first reference, which probably wouldn't really confuse anyone either ...
I suggest we start doing the same if it's obvious the subject is American. So NFL bios should follow the standard of every other bio and write is an American
football player ...
, i.e. don't link person's American nationality. Team articles should say ... are a professional
football team based in Kansas City, Missouri, US.
We should stop calling it "American football" if it is apparent the subject is American. Some articles, like
Wes Chandler, have had this for a while.—
Bagumba (
talk)
08:24, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
I've changed a few articles ( Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Donald, Rob Gronkowski, O. J. Simpson, and Tom Brady) to see if there is any feedback.— Bagumba ( talk) 12:54, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
... is an English-born American football defensive tackle for the ...Just state that he's English. Because we don't do it for current players, we also don't do it for former players. See Dieter Brock:
... is a former Canadian Football League and National Football League player ...So is he Canadian or American? Just clearly state the nationality of American/Canadian football players, period.— Bagumba ( talk) 01:42, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
is an American football player ...proposal does nothing more than create a piped easteregg link, while the
... English-born American football player ...examples are rare enough that I don't think we should use this as the main argument to support this. I'm not against improving this in another way, but I just feel like your proposal violates a guideline or two without actually improving anything. I'd like to hear what other WP:NFL members think. ~ Dissident93 ( talk) 16:11, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
... nationality isn't essential in understanding the context of who this person ...: That is contrary to the community MOS, which states at MOS:CONTEXTBIO:
The opening paragraph should usually provide context for the activities that made the person notable. In most modern-day cases this will be the country of which the person is a citizen ...An exception would need to go beyond a WP:LOCALCONSENSUS. Without evidence of this wider consensus, I think maybe we just randomly inherited this format, perhaps by early edits like this one from 2005 to John Elway that plopped in a link to "American football" when neither "American" nor "football" was in the lead until then. I had mentioned Wes Chandler earlier, which shows American nationality and pipes "American football" to "football", and that practice is in other articles like Kevin Carter (American football). There's other varying formats like James Brooks (American football) (
... is a retired NFL football running back) or Stanley Morgan (
... is a former NFL wide receiver), that dont provide any context, even the low bar you suggest of just "American football". Therefore, I don't see where there is an existing "football consensus" for which you suggested for me to volunteer my time and conform to.— Bagumba ( talk) 09:47, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
For anyone looking for gnomish work, seems the following lists have references already, but there is no listing of the players yet in the articles:
— Bagumba ( talk) 14:48, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:2019 Arizona Hotshots season#Merger proposals. Eagles 24/7 (C) 15:59, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
With the recent news that Steven Jackson was subjected to drug testing due to his signing a one-day contract to retire with the Rams, I'd like to open a discussion about how to proceed with this in the infoboxes. For a long time the consensus on this website has been to leave out these "ceremonial" contracts from the infobox but recently it is becoming clearer that these contracts are in fact official ones. According to this Deadspin article, teams have to clear a roster space to sign these players and actually fill out paperwork for the league office. It also says the media likes to call these contracts "ceremonial" but a Jaguars representative said they are not. This article from CBS states NaVorro Bowman was unable to sign his one-day contract on June 4 because the team didn't want to cut a player to sign him. He was later signed to the contract on July 22. I know it seems a little crufty to include it in the infoboxes, but if we include offseason-only teams shouldn't we do the same for one-day contracts? Eagles 24/7 (C) 17:37, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
Bump so this discussion does not get archived before a consensus has been reached. Eagles 24/7 (C) 21:15, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
The playoff bracket is completely wrong: /info/en/?search=1989_NFL_season#Playoffs — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:569:7669:2900:F40A:E4CE:AA34:526F ( talk) 18:01, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Do y'all think it could be a better idea to add Wild card berths for NFL teams instead of having the years as playoff appearances? Because I think it's kind of confusing for other people to get how they made it. Because it's got the division title years but for the wild card years it's jammed into the division titles.
Like when a team makes the WC instead of putting it on the playoff appearances it can be on Wild card berth because that's what it is pretty much. Sports Fan 1997 ( talk) 01:16, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
Oh, when 3rd and 4th seeds win the division I don't think it's on their Division titles. Sports Fan 1997 ( talk) 16:06, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
What about this one? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Titans Sports Fan 1997 ( talk) 17:43, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
I think it's right. Sports Fan 1997 ( talk) 19:27, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
Per WP:NOT, I need these TV things to be removed on game summaries and standings. WP isn't a yellowpage directory. 2600:1702:38D0:E70:FD25:732E:F177:1A07 ( talk) 20:43, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
User:Jack Skellington III is now going through season articles and removing times and TV channels as per his interpretation of WP:NOTTVGUIDE. I disagree with these changes and would like to open it up to WP:NFL for thoughts. Eagles 24/7 (C) 19:05, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
I came across this article via WP:THQ#Wrong info in "Booth Lusteg Wikipedia" article on Google and have been trying to clean it up and expand it a bit. I've been able to find a few sources, but have sort of run into a bit of a brick wall. So, I was wondering if someone from this WikiProject might be able to help out a bit or suggest further improvements. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 01:35, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
What's the definition of "headquarters" for the teams? Is it where the administrative (Owner/CEO/GM/Coaches etc.) offices are? I'm speaking in reference to the Kansas City Chiefs. It says they're "played and headquartered in Arrowhead Stadium." If HQ means where their admin offices are, then it's wrong. Corky 01:55, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject American football#Meaning of "field goal attempt". -- Marchjuly ( talk) 03:36, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
User :@ Jweiss11: is changing the order of the categories defined in existing NFL biographies from chronological to alphabetical. To me, it makes it more difficult to read and analyze. Please advise if there is a standard to register them. Makers267 ( talk) 17:45, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
I think most of us can agree that Win-Loss records for starting quarterbacks are noteworthy statistics that are valuable to readers. The Win-Loss records as a starter (overall and by season) help to identify the successes of a quarterback in leading his team to victory. This is especially true in the case of Tom Brady who is the winningest quarterback in NFL history. Nevertheless, his Win-Loss records as a starter, which have existed as statistics on his page for years, were recently stripped. Help me to maintain this valuable statistic and preserve his legacy and records for posterity.
Mwatz122 ( talk) 04:58, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
There has been a dispute on the Minnesota Vikings article talk page about whether to count the Vikings as having won 1 league championship (the 1969 NFL title) or 0 league championships. My personal opinion is that it should be 0, since that is consistent with other NFL team articles, such as the Kansas City Chiefs, Indianapolis Colts, and Oakland Raiders. Most people (and most sources) would not count the Vikings as having won a championship in that year, since they lost the Super Bowl to the Chiefs. This has been an ongoing back-and-forth debate/edit war on the Vikings article for over a decade, and I want to establish a consensus once and for all. I have come to this page to establish a consensus on how NFL titles are counted on Wikipedia- should titles be counted if the NFL/AFL championship was won but the Super Bowl was lost? If not, the Vikings page should be changed. If they are counted, the Chiefs, Colts, and Raiders pages need to be changed. Vavent ( talk) 03:08, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Booth Lusteg#Researching Booth Lusteg. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 01:09, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
An editor has nominated an article for deletion asserting that despite playing in 27 regular season NFL/AFL games this player does not pass WP:NGRIDIRON, WP:GNG, WP:SPORTSBASIC, WP:V, WP:BASIC, or WP:ANYBIO. Eagles 24/7 (C) 19:05, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
I noticed that the more recent conference standings, for example Template:2019 NFC standings, the are columns for SOS and SOV. But older conference standings templates instead have PF, PA, and PD. I'm going to go through the older ones and standardize them to look like the newer ones. The SOS and SOV columns are, presumably, the more relevant columns to have because: 1) they're the ones listed on espn.com's playoff standings pages; and 2) the PF and PA are already displayed in the division standings. Please let me know if there is disagreement on this so we can have both consensus and standardization. Useight ( talk) 20:18, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
List of career achievements by Brett Favre and List of career achievements by Peyton Manning seem to be the only List of career achievements... articles in WP:NFL (outside of the redirect List of career achievements by Vince Young). Full disclosure, I created the first one of these (the Brett Favre one) 11 years ago. However, in my opinion these articles, especially Favre's, are a mess (743 refs may be the most I have ever seen). Most of the "achievements" in this article are trivia and are so specific that they really aren't notable (i.e. records that have been surpassed, records by stadium, "Personal bests", etc). These article's really suffer from recentism, especially when they were playing and breaking new records. If you were to create a similar type article for Don Hutson (or any other historic player), 90% of these so-called "records" wouldn't be included as either non-notable or purely trivia. I was thinking of AFDing them. But my track record isn't great (I lean deletionist I guess), so I figured a discussion here would be best before AFD. All that said, if these articles are still worthy of inclusion, I think WP:NFL needs to define clear criteria for inclusion (i.e. who is notable enough to have a List of career achievements...) and what records are notable enough to be included. The way the Brett Favre article is set-up, maintenance, verifiability, and accuracy are very difficult. In my opinion, Brett Favre accurately captures most, if not all of, his major achievements that are truly notable and relevant (MVPs, Super Bowls, 1st place records, well-known records broke, etc). These achievement articles just become a sports trivia page and should be discouraged and/or deleted. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 18:21, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
First thing that jumps out is WP:NOTSTATS, especially ones based on stats site queries, which is essentially WP:OR on primary sources (e.g. stats databases).— Bagumba ( talk) 10:55, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
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This is a thing? A list of pairings? Aren't we in Wikia territory here? Drmies ( talk) 14:59, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
There is an RfC currently underway about where a section on brain damage should appear in a biography of Arron Hernandez. Your contribution would be welcome. -- Slugger O'Toole ( talk) 22:08, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
Can editors here please take a look at John Matuszak? We have an IP repeatedly adding unsourced information and now essentially daring me to revert them, claiming they'll accuse me of violating 3RR, and while I suspect I'd be okay I'd just as soon have other editors involved. Thank you. DonIago ( talk) 02:00, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
No further assistance needed on this. Thanks all. DonIago ( talk) 15:30, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
Just trying to build consensus around his recent social media incident/release. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 16:11, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
I've only this season started doing edits to NFL-related articles on Wikipedia, and I'm wondering if there's a consensus on timing for scoring plays in game capsules for the teams' season pages. I've been basing my edits for these on the NFL Game books, using the timings on the first page, mostly because I saw someone else do that earlier ( this, for instance), so I did the same going forward. Found out today that the "wrong" timings that I've been changed reflect the time of the snap on scoring plays, while the times I've been using reflect the time of the actual score. I'd argue that the timing of the score should be used rather than the timing of the snap, but I'm wondering which timing is considered more "correct". KristofferAG ( talk) 22:08, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
Among the many tasks that will have to be completed now that the Arena Football League today has announced the league has ceased entirely is updating player pages. I have created a tracking category of players that have an AFL team as their current team in the NFL biography infobox here. Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:05, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
I have nominated Template:Pro-football-reference for merging with Template:Footballstats. Please see the discussion here. Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 21:52, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
@ WuTang94:
There is a new rivalry article at Colts–Texans rivalry. Current citations seem to focus on game results, but notability does not seem to be established to WP:GNG. FYI to the project. UW Dawgs ( talk) 21:18, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
I have nominated List of broadcasters for Green Bay Packers home games in Milwaukee for deletion here. Please feel free to take part in the discussion. Cheers, « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 20:37, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
I have nominated Green Bay Packers home games in Milwaukee for deletion. Please feel free to take part in the discussion here. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 16:04, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
WHO keeps messing with the Denver Broncos' HTML color codes? Their current NFLPrimaryStyle should be orange background and white text and navy frame. Someone keeps changing it back and forth between their 97thru11 NFLPrimaryStyle and an orange background with navy text. The navy text within an orange background is tough on the eyes. DPH1110 ( talk) 17:29, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
Test table For those who maintain colors, perhaps getting a test table like Module:Sports_color/basketball/doc#Test_table has would make it easier to test new colors and maintain contrast ratios.— Bagumba ( talk) 18:01, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Bringing this here for common discussion separate from individual deletion discussions that are going on. BornonJune8 has a passion for broadcaster information. In some cases, this information is relevant and notable to the topic at hand. However, in most cases, in my opinion, listing out the broadcasters for various games falls under WP:INDISCRIMINATE. It isn't intrusive when added to an existing table, such as Bills Toronto Series. However, it's addition to articles like Green Bay Packers home games in Milwaukee (see this version before I reverted its addition) is definitely inappropriate, especially when we are talking about hundreds of entries for normal regular season games. I ask that there be some consensus here on the appropriateness of broadcaster information in NFL articles, as well as some assistance in enforcing whatever is decided here. Cheers, « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 16:16, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
... all verifiable information need not be included in an article. Consensus may determine that certain information does not improve an article, and that it should be omitted ...As far as standalone broadcast team lists, an argument might be made that each networks historical #1 team might meet WP:LISTN, but I can't imagine that a network's entire roster of play-by-play/color pairings meets the guideline. But a general all-time list of a network's notable personnel is probably ok.— Bagumba ( talk) 17:04, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
A new editor is trying to add height and weight, and some flowery language. The infobox is currently showing an error for the height because they entered the units instead of just the numbers. Would someone understanding this topic please do a quick cleanup or a revert if bad sources. Johnuniq ( talk) 22:55, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
Hello, there is a category for discussion started for Category:American football dual-threat quarterbacks that you may be interested in here. Eagles 24/7 (C) 16:41, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
CatcherStorm ( talk · contribs) has been adding Pro Football Focus All-Rookie honors to player's infoboxes, but I don't think this should not count for a proper award per WP:NFLINFOBOX. It's just a formatted list of their top rated players disguised as some real honor; we wouldn't add "PFF Top Rated Quarterback" to infoboxes, right? I just thought I'd start a discussion here in case my thinking is entirely wrong. ~ Dissident93 ( talk) 11:18, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
Hello, there is a discussion at Template talk:Cleveland Browns staff about which positions on the staff should be included in the template, and you are invited to participate. Eagles 24/7 (C) 16:36, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
Currently, this is how the number of Pro Bowls corresponds with importance assessment:
0-1: At least Low
2: At least Mid
3-6: At least High
7+: At least Top
PFR gives the following distribution of players:
0-1: 24680
2: 523
3-6: 815
7+: 193
Note that less people are in the "at least Mid" category than in the "at least High" category. In order to balance this out, I propose moving 1-time pro bowlers to mid-importance. This would result in the following distribution:
0: 23,570
1-2: 1633
3-6: 815
7+: 193
Further balance could be achieved by shifting 3s to mid-importance and 7s to high-importance. This would result in the following distribution:
0: 23,570
1-3: 2116
4-7: 546
8+: 130
Thoughts?
400spartans (
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18:08, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
I came across this redirect recently. With the expansion of the EDGE position into a full-time position on the same scale as DL and DE, this seems like a good opportunity for an article. Just wanted to bring it up here to see if anyone would want to work on it. Cheers, « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 18:47, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
I wanna get a set in stone rule here because I feel like there’s might be some inconsistencies. When it comes to player signings, coach hirings, and trades, should we wait until the “official announcement, which is similar to what NBA pages do, or is it ok to go ahead and makes when multiple reliable sources are reporting the transactions. I’ve always handled it as when multiple reliable sources are reporting the transaction and I know others have done the same thing but then I’ve recently come across editors that don’t follow this, one editor in particular @ TheBigMan720: that is insistent we always have waited until the official announcement. I’m of course talking about all transactions that aren’t ones that have wait until the new league year to be official, and specifically in-season transactions and coach hirings.--Rockchalk 7 17 03:56, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
Not disrupting anything here. That felt like a personal attack to me. I haven’t done anything wrong other than remove information that isn’t confirmed by the team themselves. Plus, the question is that is the announcement official from the team themselves like the Panthers announced officially from their social media pages that the hiring of Matt Rhule is official. Thats what nobody gets here in my opinion. TheBigMan720 ( talk) 05:03, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
I rely on the official team website or the social media pages. I already said this once and I'll say it again, but coaches can back out of a deal regardless is if its finalized by a team. I don't know why this is a big issue when I got away with this multiple times in the past with other coaches reports to a new team signing. This is getting ridiculous. TheBigMan720 ( talk) 05:11, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
Maybe who knows. But look I'm being nice and cordial with you guys and I don't want to get mean with you as well but I revert for a good reason, I check the official website of the team and social media pages before stupid unregistered users starts messing with the page before the official announcement. One admin Muboshgu always waits for the official announcement on Major League Baseball players and coaches page and he protects it sometimes. Again I'm not here to slap anyone in the face but just to friendly edit here on wikipedia thats all. TheBigMan720 ( talk) 05:20, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
(General cmt, and somewhat of a response to @Rockchalk717 ping) First of all, there is the essay WP:SPORTSTRANS. Have a look (or a reread). Regarding IP/new editors, the main problem is it's usually unsourced. If you don't think they've signed or it's unreliable, you can revert and warn them with {{ uw-sportstrans}}. Ask for page protection at WP:RPP if it's widespread.— Bagumba ( talk) 06:11, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
Use of {{ Current sports transaction}}: In NBA, I generally only see it added when reverting unofficial news, or unofficial news was already in article. I can't recall the same person changing the lead and inbox and also adding the tag. Basically, the tag says "other people might add unreliable stuff, or this article might be out of date", not "I've added stuff that's not 100%".— Bagumba ( talk) 06:16, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
Okay I seen you on the NBA pages you are a good editor. I will take your advice sir or ma'am. TheBigMan720 ( talk) 06:18, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
( edit conflict) I looked at sources from the two diffs above. First of all, I'm not that active on NFL and dont plan to edit regarding this news on Judge. In this NFL.com source on Judge, it says " Giants responded by agreeing to hire Patriots special teams coordinator and wide receivers coach Joe Judge" That doesn't say he's signed (past tense). I can agree to terms on buying a car, but it's different than saying I own the car yet. In this NJ.com source, the text says "The Giants are in the process of hiring ...", while the headline is click-baity "Giants hire Patriots’ Joe Judge as head coach". Generally, the text is more reliable than the headline. Jounalism standards are changing. Lot's of online sources want to draw viewers, use amateur contributors and not paid staff, and tend to be looses and write things as done deals. There are still sources that are careful to say "agree to terms", "according to league sources" etc. to hint that it's not a signed deal yet. Likely, legacy newspapers, ESPN, or the team itself.— Bagumba ( talk) 06:39, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
Thank you @Bagumba. TheBigMan720 ( talk) 06:50, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
I rely on the team's Twitter account most of the time because it has a blue check mark meaning its verified account. TheBigMan720 ( talk) 07:13, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
No what started all this, Rockchalk that you decided intervene with my edits (which you have the right to, you didn't have too). I never contacted you (Except the Terrell Suggs situation) nor never revert your edits at anytime. TheBigMan720 ( talk) 09:00, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
@
Rockchalk717 and
TheBigMan720: This is the wrong site to be at if you don't want your edits changed by someone. It says it right there everytime we press edit: Work submitted to Wikipedia can be edited ...
Maybe you really missed something, maybe the other person was misinformed.
Assume good faith, discuss it, and reach an understanding. It's usually not a
conduct issue. Cheers.—
Bagumba (
talk)
10:54, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
User:Dissident93 has recently made a series of edits to introduce the use of "present" in navboxes for NFL coaches and executives, e.g. Template:Pittsburgh Steelers coach navbox and Template:Pittsburgh Steelers general manager navbox. The standard that has prevailed for the past several years—not only for such NFL navboxes, but for over 1,000 such navboxes across pro and college sports in North America and beyond—is to omit such usage of "present" in the current title-holder's tenure. This formatting goes back to the origination of such navboxes with parenthetical years of tenure developed first for college football coaches, circa 2010 at Wikipedia:WikiProject College football. On my talk page, Dissident93 has argued that this standard for sports navboxes contravenes such standards elsewhere across the encyclopedia, e.g. business and politics. However, I haven't found any analogous examples of navboxes displaying chronological series of office holders with parenthetical years, where "present" is used. Template:Boris Johnson and Template:Donald Trump do use "present", but are a bit of a different animal. Analogous navoxes for political office holders appear to omit years of tenure entirely, e.g. Template:Governors of New York, Template:Heads of state of France. Navboxes for university presidents do contain years, but omit "present" in line with the sports navboxes, e.g. Template:Harvard University presidents. For the sake of consistency, the NFL navboxes should align with other sports navboxes, whether "present" is used for all of them or not. With simplicity and required workload in mind, I recommend we remove "present" from the 60 or so NFL navboxes in question rather than convert the other 1,000+. I tried to do as much with the NFL coach navboxes last night, but was reverted by Dissident93. Thoughts? Jweiss11 ( talk) 00:43, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
Do not use incomplete-looking constructions such as 1982– and 1982–... .— Bagumba ( talk) 00:55, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
... where space is limited, pres. may be used (1982–pres.).— Bagumba ( talk) 01:44, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
Hi guys, is it worth adding notes to Pro Bowlers in {{ Infobox NFL team season}} to indicate which ones made it as a starter/bench player/alternate? Based on his edits to 2019 Tennessee Titans season, User:DaveTheBrave seems to think not, but I think it's important to make the distinction between players who were named to the Pro Bowl's initial rosters and which ones were called up due to injury or another player being involved in the Super Bowl. – Pee Jay 06:29, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
I was curious, why does this wikiproject add "Hisory of the" in article titles for past incarnations of teams (for instance History of the Oakland Raiders, History of the St. Louis Rams, History of the Houston Oilers, etc.) when other projects don't have that title ( Atlanta Thrashers, Seattle SuperSonics, Montreal Expos, etc.)? It's not very uniform with the rest in my opinion. DrewieStewie ( talk) 20:01, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
Is anyone was interested in editing the San Francisco 49ers and Kansas City Chiefs articles in a sort of 'contest' to see which article can look better by Super Bowl time? I will probably be solely editing the 49ers article, but can give barnstars to another 49ers article editor or Chiefs article editor, awarded around the time of the Super Bowl. I assume the articles will receive a lot of traffic and it would be great if we could show off some great improvements. It looks like the Chiefs article has a better start, but still has areas for improvement (like adding citations to The Patrick Mahomes Era). I could potentially make a list of improvements on the talk page of each article if anyone needs ideas on what to work on. I would also help out the Chiefs article if someone returns the favor on the 49ers article. Improvement is of course subjective and I may give out multiple awards depending on level of interest. In particular, if anyone has access to book sources for either team, their help would be greatly appreciated. I have access to Newspapers.com which can be useful for citing certain parts of the article.
On the same topic, is there a good NFL team article to use as a style template? I clicked through four or five NFL team articles and they had wildly different formats. There is some excessive detail that is in the 49ers article that does not exist in other NFL team articles, and was thinking of moving it to a separate page or deleting it entirely. Kees08 (Talk) 23:04, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
Could someone from this project check out this article? The article lists his NFL teams as the 49ers and Redskins, but I am pretty sure he never played in the NFL. But I know sometime preseason and practice squad players count. He doesn’t have the categories for the teams listed. It would be he,Paul if someone who knows the NFL consensus around this stuff could go take a look and make any adjustments. Thanks. Rikster2 ( talk) 15:07, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
I've tagged Pro Bowl at Pro Bowl#Rule differences as being stale (cites are to 2011) and asked about specific rule differences at Talk:Pro Bowl#No PATs or FG attempts?. —[ AlanM1( talk)]— 20:08, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
We need to decide what to do with Saquon Barkley's listed height. Editors (mostly IP) tend to change his height and I usually reverted it. However, I now checked it and see that the NY Giants] and NFL list different heights. Other websites (ESPN, PFR, FOX Sports, etc) are also inconsistent and list either 6 ft 0 in (1.83 m) or 5 ft 11 in (1.80 m). So how do we handle this? – Sabbatino ( talk) 08:36, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
I have nominated the following articles for deletion: List of career achievements by Brett Favre, List of career achievements by Peyton Manning, and List of career achievements by Drew Brees. Please feel free to take part in the discussion. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 17:02, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
Hello all, hope everyone is ready for the Super Bowl, being a Chiefs fan, I sure am lol. Anyways, I’m in a discussion regarding what Infobox to use for Steve Spurrier on the talk page. I would like for some input on the discussion if anyone is able to! Talk:Steve Spurrier#Infobox format. I’ll be making a similar request on the College Football project talk page.--Rockchalk 7 17 19:59, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
I understand there's been consensuses in the past here at WikiProject National Football League about coaching tree list sections on coach bio articles. There's currently a discussion underway at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football#Tree littering about those lists. We're hoping build a new unified consensus about this sort of content that spans these two projects. Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 22:39, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
Please see the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football#Adding captions to tables for accessibility as it affects this WikiProject as well. Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 14:47, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
There is a discussion at Talk:National Football League#No, this is not the Chiefs’ first NFL Championship regarding the number of Chiefs' titles. Input from the members of the project would be appreciated. – Sabbatino ( talk) 20:32, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
Who wants to join? New3400 ( talk) 12:00, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
Task force? What do you mean? New3400 ( talk) 20:51, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
Okay, who wants to join the bucs taskforce? New3400 ( talk) 03:36, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
In 2015, in the Kevin Sweeney (American football) article, I wrote the following text: "After the players went on a strike on the third week of the 1987 season, those games were canceled (reducing the 16 game season to 15) and the NFL decided that the games would be played with replacement players. Sweeney was signed to be a part of the Dallas Cowboys replacement team, that was given the mock name "Rhinestone Cowboys" by the media.[6] He became the third ever rookie quarterback to start for the Cowboys, following Don Meredith (1960) and Roger Staubach (1969).[7] He was a popular player with the fans during those games; when Danny White took over the team for the third replacement team against the Washington Redskins, the crowd started chanting "We Want Sweeny, We Want Sweeny" when the team didn't performed well in the eventual 7-13 loss.[8] He was kept on the roster for the rest of the year."
Today I found out that the following book that was published much later ( https://books.google.com.mx/books?id=mJuaDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA71&lpg=PA71&dq=%22Dallas+cowboys%22+%22rhinestone+Cowboys%22+1987&source=bl&ots=r4vCxGiJq-&sig=ACfU3U2XozkBiibN8hlQA78D7eGjoFG3jg&hl=es-419&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiR_qL-9sXnAhVLAp0JHZazCI8Q6AEwDnoECAwQAQ#v=onepage&q=sweeney&f=false), copied the text exactly the same. Should something be done about it ?. And I don't want to even check if the author did the same with some of the other articles where I contributed. Tecmo ( talk) 02:47, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for the recommendations. Tecmo ( talk) 14:47, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
I've recently uploaded a bunch of photos I took from a July 2016 Atlanta Falcons training camp onto the Wikimedia Commons. Would anyone be interested in helping me find coaches and players that don't have pictures on their Wikipedia pages in these photos? I've managed to find Matt LaFleur and Katie Sowers, but apparently Mike McDaniel and Mike LaFleur were also on the Falcons' coaching staff in 2016. Thomson200 ( talk) 19:50, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
So I think Mike McDaniel is wearing a camo hat and a grey shirt in those photos I uploaded. That coach wearing the camo hat looks a lot like this photo of McDaniel from 2016. I've updated McDaniel's page accordingly. Thomson200 ( talk) 21:45, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
I think Mike LaFleur is wearing a white cap backwards at the 2015 camp and a black cap backwards at the 2016 camp. I've updated LaFleur's page accordingly. Thomson200 ( talk) 00:04, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
Hello,
I've recently visited the Steelers homepage and have noticed their alternate Color Rush uniforms have not been added to the template on the right side. I am requesting that this be added to the page.
Pitt3484 ( talk) 06:43, 23 February 2020 (UTC)Pitt3484 2/23/2020
There is an open AfD that the members of this project may be interested in, please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Toro (mascot). Thanks!!! Ejgreen77 ( talk) 14:12, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
A newer user ( Bigmike2346 ( talk · contribs)) is making widespread changes to coach article infoboxes, condensing their various titles into one bullet if it was with one team. Gary Kubiak example here. I have reverted a few of these earlier changes with explanations in my edit summaries, but it does not appear that this user is interested in discussing the changes. What does the subproject think about these changes in general? Eagles 24/7 (C) 21:43, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
So I’d like to propose something. I know Super Bowls I II III and IV were officially “AFL-NFL Championships” when they were played, but since they are now retroactively called “Super Bowls” and there were only four anyway, I kinda feel like the “no_pre1970sb_champs” and “pre1970sb_champs” parameters should be removed and the information added to the “no_sb_champs” and “sb_champs“ parameters of the team Infobox. It seems kind of unnecessary to have separate parameters for these, especially since a grand total of 3 teams use it. It makes more sense to me for them including with other Super Bowl Championships for the Chiefs and Packers and move the Jets one into the unused super bowl champs parameter (promise that wasn’t meant to be trash talk lol). What does everyone think?--Rockchalk 7 17 08:28, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
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1967 NFL/AFL Draft.{{
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help) Here's what an official NFL page says: "Merger talks intensified, although they often were held in secret. On June 8, 1966, the AFL and NFL announced a merger, with a common schedule to begin in 1970. A common draft would begin in 1967, and the AFL champions would play the NFL winners for the overall title beginning in January 1967." Rappoport, Ken (August 20, 2009).
"The AFL-NFL merger was almost booted... by a kicker". {{
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(
help) You have never rebutted either of these two facts.As I said at
Talk:National Football League#No, this is not the Chiefs’ first NFL Championship, I agree with PeeJay2K3. Seems like some of you are engaged in a bunch of
WP:OR and
WP:SYNTH to conflate the concept of League Championship with World Championship just to make some infobox parameter tidy. There are plenty of
WP:RS verifying the Vikings as 1969 NFL Champions
[4]
[5]
[6]
[7]. Do you have sources contradicting that? Are you also proposing that
1969 NFL season,
1969 NFL Championship Game, and
List of NFL champions (1920–1969) should be edited to remove the Vikings as NFL Champions? Yes, those four years are different from all the others. The infobox should reflect the nuanced reality of the situation, not be shoehorned into something that seems logical on it's face but is demonstrably false. As for the OP's question, I have no problem with the winners of those 4 year's Super Bowls using the sb_champs parameter, but the template instructions should be changed from league_champs [OPTIONAL] A comma-separated list of the seasons in which the team has won a league championships prior to the Super Bowl era
to league_champs [OPTIONAL] A comma-separated list of the seasons in which the team has won a league championship prior to the 1970 AFL–NFL merger.
Mojoworker (
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22:22, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
References
Hang on, if “ the situation now is that 31 NFL teams' pages define that term one way, and the Vikings' page defines it a different way“; then why does a cursory glance at the pages of the teams you previously cited as examples for difference (Colts, Chiefs, and Raiders) show that all of those teams currently list their pre-merger championships? I’m not sure exactly when the championships were added. It seems the Chiefs was recent and the other two at least several months or longer ago, but if the argument is consistency it would appear the pages are currently consistent. Ohgoshhi ( talk) 11:11, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
The Wikipedia pages for the Kansas City Chiefs, Oakland Raiders, and Indianapolis Colts do not list the year they lost the Super Bowl as a year in which they won a "League Championship."– they all originally did: 1966 included for the Chiefs, 1967 included for the Raiders, 1968 included for the Colts. Clearly that was the original intent of the template's author. And it sure looks like the no_pre1970sb_champs= parameter was added to explicitly not count the 1966-1969 Super Bowl wins on top of the number of League Championships. Mojoworker ( talk) 23:29, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
I almost forgot to address the claim that 31 NFL teams' pages define "League Championship" differently than the Vikings
which is patently false. In fact 29 NFL teams' pages currently define "League Championship" exactly the same as the Vikings page – and at one time, all 32 did. The Colts and Raiders pages employ the no_pre1970sb_champs= parameter which we are currently discussing here.
Mojoworker (
talk)
21:40, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
Per WP:CONTRAST, we need to have color schemes on Wikipedia to at least meet the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) 2.0's AA level. This is to ensure that readers with color-blindness or other visual impairments are able to use the website. The Miami Dolphins color scheme is currently at a 3.95:1 ratio (white text on aqua background), and needs to be at a 4.5:1 ratio or higher. Here are the options for a new color scheme using combinations of the Dolphins' current colors:
Please indicate below which your preferred color scheme example is with a reason. Thanks! Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:03, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
Instead of changing the colours of the font and background, have you ever considered using coloured borders, as is done for National Hockey League articles? For example, see the infobox and tables at Montreal Canadiens. This avoids the issues of contrast and legibility. isaacl ( talk) 04:25, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
I typically see jerseys categorized as a free file, like File:Vikings16 three.png. I saw File:NFCN-Uniform-MIN-2010.PNG marked as nonfree, but it says it is trademarked and nothing about copyright. Then I saw a bunch of deleted uniform images on the talk page of JohnnySeoul, who has since retired from Wikipedia. Has this been discussed before? I assume that all of the images like these are either free or non-free. I think they are free (unless copyrighted by the image creator), but was wondering if there were edge cases I am not considering.
If they are indeed free, I could help with undeletions and migrating to Commons, as well as correcting the licensing. If they are all non-free, I can help deal with that situation. And if I would just be getting in the way and everything is fine as it is, I can not do anything as well. Kees08 (Talk) 22:14, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Need more eyes on Tom Brady. An editor has changed his page to say he is a free agent, despite this being factually untrue until March 18, 2020, at 4PM EST. I am unable to revert due to someone claiming I've violated 3RR on the article on my talk page. Eagles 24/7 (C) 15:15, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
I noticed that some of the career stats tables of players use color to indicate milestones like records, championship seasons etc. However, they dont also show a symbol, which does not comply with
MOS:COLOR: Ensure that color is not the only method used to convey important information. Especially, do not use colored text or background unless its status is also indicated using another method such as an accessible symbol matched to a legend, or footnote labels.
I saw that Koavf tried to address this at Tom Brady with this edit to add symbols. However, the added symbols °, ≈, ×, and ± differ from *, †, ‡, §, | and ¶ that are listed at Note (typography) § Numbering and symbols, which are used in many non-NFL articles. Otto Graham, an FA, doesn't even use any symbols with its color. This project should come up with a convention. It seems Brady and Graham might also have too many "feats" they're trying to highlight, which causes clutter.— Bagumba ( talk) 09:33, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 10 | ← | Archive 15 | Archive 16 | Archive 17 | Archive 18 | Archive 19 | Archive 20 |
See here and elsewhere. Ejgreen77 ( talk) 13:10, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
smaller
style. The members of this wikiproject probably ought to consider how they may be using reduced font size in other team's templates as well. --
RexxS (
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17:08, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
The Hammond Pros Template is up for deletion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2019 March 21. Please comment on the discussion.- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 16:17, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
Template:Jets AFL All-Time Team is up for deletion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2019 March 20#Template:Jets AFL All-Time Team please comment in the discussion.- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 16:40, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
Folks, we really could use some more people from this project chiming in here. Again, what we have here is someone proposing deletion for the entire class of yearly draft navboxes for the Colts franchise. This TfD could have sweeping consequences, if it is successful, it would call into question everything in Category:National Football League draft navigational boxes as a potential TfD subject. Thanks, Ejgreen77 ( talk) 04:03, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
A discussion has been started about the Saints–Vikings rivalry at Talk:New Orleans Saints#Vikings Rivalry. Opinions would be appreciated. – Sabbatino ( talk) 10:40, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
Please see Talk:2012 Packers–Seahawks officiating controversy#Requested move 2 April 2019 for a requested move discussion I started for 2012 Packers–Seahawks officiating controversy to be moved to Fail Mary. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:50, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
What is WP:NFL's disambiguation naming convention? I stumbled upon one that would be needed, if/when the second player's article gets created.
Also, is there any chance these might be the same guy? Unlikely I'm sure but the time frames and lack of details about both of them doesn't rule it out. SportsGuy789 ( talk) 16:56, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
Does anyone know anything as to why the Carolina Panthers' primary color is showing a light "Carolina Blue" instead of black on their primary team article as well as all of their season articles? In the past, black has been the primary color and Carolina Blue has been the secondary color. Does anyone have a source indicating that the Panthers changed their primary jersey color from black to Carolina Blue? DPH1110 ( talk) 22:27, 10 April 2019 (UTC)DPH1110
A new Newsletter directory has been created to replace the old, out-of-date one. If your WikiProject and its taskforces have newsletters (even inactive ones), or if you know of a missing newsletter (including from sister projects like WikiSpecies), please include it in the directory! The template can be a bit tricky, so if you need help, just post the newsletter on the template's talk page and someone will add it for you.
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2018–19 NFC Championship Game#Requested move 26 April 2019. AIRcorn (talk) 17:45, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
The Los Angeles Chargers recently announced that powder blue, which had been the team's alternate jersey color since their 2007 uniform overhaul, will become their primary uniform color beginning with the 2019 season. Only administrators can edit the Gridiron color templates, but the Chargers primary style and Alt primary styles need to be modified to reflect powder blue as the primary color. DPH1110 ( talk) 19:06, 28 April 2019 (UTC)DPH1110
Second or third time I'm going to request this, but can somebody with infobox coding access/skills automatically disable the |status=
parameter from showing if |current_team=
is set to free agent? It surely can not be that big of an hassle to do as this is already done for numbers. ~
Dissident93 (
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06:47, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
|cflstatus=
as well.
Eagles
24/7
(C)
01:59, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
Should NFL Top 100 be added to the infobox of a player? I am asking, because WP:NFLINFOBOX does not say anything about it, and SpeedyAbdo ( talk · contribs) has already added it to some infoboxes. – Sabbatino ( talk) 19:08, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
Hey all, I'm here to seek a review of a recent page move. OneBucPerson ( talk · contribs) got in touch with me through WP:DISCORD looking for help with Murphy-Bunting's recent name change. Unfortunately, we could only find these sources, none of which are particularly strong: Twitter, title of a news article (no explicit mention of name change), and the Buccaneers roster. I decided to cite the player roster to try and verify the name change. I also encouraged OneBucPerson to move the page to the name he's going under now. I know it's not ideal, and that hopefully better sources will come out in the coming days. Please let us know if there's other thing that can be done here, or if we've done anything wrong. All the best, Airplaneman ✈ 19:12, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
There is a disagreement over the Vikings' championships. The discussion regarding the matter can be found at Talk:Minnesota Vikings#or... – Sabbatino ( talk) 07:26, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
Hey, could someone from this project assess the article "2001 Jaguars-Browns officiating controversy." It would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, EDG 543 (talk) 16:47, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
I've noticed that these have been included on some infoboxes but aren't explicitly ruled out by WP:NFLINFOBOXNOT. Personally, I lean heavily towards excluding them (ex: "Big Ten Champion", "Independence Bowl MVP", SEC single season passing touchdown record (44) (2017) & FBS passing touchdowns leader (2017)) because it looks like WP:CRUFT to me and its more appropriate to be mentioned in the player's "college career" section. If there is already a consensus on these topics, please let me know. If not Let's try to establish one and add to the Player pages format. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 12:39, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
There are some season articles in which the team colors are on display in the preseason and regular season schedule tables. For example, here is the 2019 New England Patriots' preseason schedule table (below). Is this a trend that would be worth starting for all 32 teams, or would this just be too much of an eyesore once the tables become colored with light green (for wins) and light red (for losses)?
Week | Date | Kickoff ( EDT) | Opponent | Final score | Record | Game site | Channel | NFL.com recap |
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1 | August 8 | 7:30 p.m. | at Detroit Lions | Ford Field | ||||
2 | August 17 | 7:00 p.m. | at Tennessee Titans | Nissan Stadium | ||||
3 | August 22 | 7:30 p.m. | Carolina Panthers | Gillette Stadium | ||||
4 | August 29 | 7:30 p.m. | New York Giants | Gillette Stadium |
DPH1110 ( talk) 02:13, 22 May 2019 (UTC)DPH1110
There is an disagreement about the "Frequent matchups" at History of the National Football League championship. It was initially added by @ Andiharve: before I removed it completely since, in my opinion, it is nothing more than WP:TRIVIA, but the other editor has a different opinion about it and cites List of World Series champions as the justification for such list. What are your thoughts regarding such lists? – Sabbatino ( talk) 20:04, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
PatriotsFOREVER126 has made some large changes to the table formatting on all of the starting QB lists by team. As an example, see List of Green Bay Packers starting quarterbacks here. PeeJay2K3 and myself have reverted a few instances of these changes based on the number of games started after each QB name not making sense anymore, but I think to preempt any disagreement, it would be good to get come consensus on these changes. You can see the edits here: Special:Contributions/PatriotsFOREVER126. Thanks, « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:40, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
Although well intentioned, I'm not sure I agree with the changes at {{ NFL team history}} and the new template {{ NFL lore}} from User Psantora. I believe the consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/National Football League lore (2nd nomination) was that National Football League lore was not a cohesive enough topic to warrant an article. As such, it probably doesn't warrant a navigation template. And I believe that the expansion of {{ NFL team history}} has made it somewhat bloated and unusable as a navigation aid (see WP:NAVBOX). Instead of engaging directly on the user's talk page or the template talk pages, I figured this page would gain consensus quicker and easier. What does everyone think? Thanks, « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 22:38, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
There should be a Wikipedia article on the subject of the template.— Bagumba ( talk) 00:55, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
{{
NFL lore}}
template is
NFL history, so I disagree that
WP:NAVBOX#4 is not satisfied. These links were taken from the respective team navboxes (e.g. {{
Buffalo Bills}}
, {{
New England Patriots}}
, {{
Chicago Bears}}
, etc...), which each have culture/lore section(s). It makes sense to have a centralized listing for all of these links. I did this relatively quickly so I'm sure there are areas that need cleanup and additional targets that can be added; each grouping could be listed in chronological order for example. There is currently no centralized location that groups these links together and they are all related parts of NFL history, each notable enough to have a wikipedia article. That is why I created a navbox for it. As for whether it should be included in {{
NFL team history}}
or not, that can be debated separately. I obviously believe it fits there, but that would be a completely different discussion than whether or not the "lore" (I don't care what it is called) template is deleted. -
Paul
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18:58, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
{{
AT&T}}
for one example. Just because you are not familliar with something doesn't mean that it isn't a thing that can happen. -
Paul
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19:05, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
{{
French overseas empire}}
is another. Regardless, there currently is no general {{
NFL history}}
template. I was attempting to create one by nesting a few related templates into {{
NFL team history}}
. If the group prefers to keep that specifically focused on franchise history, fine, but I would argue that {{
NFL rivalries}}
is a natural extension of that directly relating to the history of the franchises and would be completely in line with that purpose if it were included in {{
NFL team history}}
. Regarding {{
NFL lore}}
, I created that template using a distracting name and the main purpose of it has been missed. I think it would be best to move that template to {{
NFL history}}
and expand it to included the non "history of..." articles that were removed from the {{
NFL team history}}
template. This template would cover all non-franchise related history of the NFL, of which there are plenty of articles that could and should be grouped in a navbox. -
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20:30, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
{{
French overseas empire}}
is a template masquerading as a list or Outline article (see
Outline of the United States). Again,
WP:NAVBOX is very clear on this: "If the collection of articles does not meet these tests, that indicates that the articles are loosely related, and a list or category may be more appropriate." Loosely related articles don't need navboxes. And navboxes inside of navboxes further waters down the purpose of navboxes and the ability to navigate to closely related articles.
« Gonzo fan2007
(talk) @
20:49, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
templates with a large number of links are not forbidden, but can appear overly busy and be hard to read and use. Good templates generally follow some of these guidelines:(emphasis on "some" added) and points 1, 3, and 5 in particular:
All articles within a template relate to a single, coherent subject./
The articles should refer to each other, to a reasonable extent./
If not for the navigation template, an editor would be inclined to link many of these articles in the See also sections of the articles.all of which apply directly to these links (I argue that all five are met, but these three in particular are certainly not controversial). You mention
If the collection of articles does not meet these tests, that indicates that the articles are loosely related, and a list or category may be more appropriate.and there is nothing there stating that all such tests must be met. Regardless, the template, while it could use some improvement, does generally meet these guidelines. I don't understand your concern about scope creep. I'm not talking about adding anything to {{ NFL}}. There currently is nothing that groups these related articles together, how is having such a grouping not a benefit to the project? - Paul T +/ C 18:36, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
I've reverted recent changes at Template:NFL team history to have multiple links per team. It's seems like those extra minor topics should be in the respective team history articles already (or added if it is not); it clutters things if we try to make a flat directory where all topics, minor ones included, are listed.— Bagumba ( talk) 12:07, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
So this is what I see so far:
I think the point that is that the only logical connection for everything currently in the {{ NFL lore}} template is that it occurred in the NFL in the past. But unfortunately this scope is just too broad for a navbox. As an example, there is no concise connection between Lambeau Leap and Dirty Dozen (American football), which are both in the template, other than they are NFL lore (which was deleted because it didn't meet our guidelines). I think the best bet at this part is to let the discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2019 June 11#Template:NFL lore finish up. That should give us some consensus on how to move forward. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 22:37, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
A change was just made (two days ago) to Template:NFL season roster ( here), which added a section "Practice/Taxi squad". Is that a well understood term in the NFL? I'd never heard it before, and it jumped out at me as unlikely. Tarl N. ( discuss) 01:21, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
This portal is being considered for deletion in accordance with Wikipedia's Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:National Football League.-- Moxy 🍁 11:46, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
Is Bart Starr Award notable enough to be included in the player's infobox? BL.o-shay ( talk · contribs) added the award to many infoboxes, and Bagumba ( talk · contribs) reverted the addition at Aaron Rodgers citing the WP:NFLINFOBOX criteria. However, I cannot find anything there that would be against the award's inclusion and wanted to consult here before removing them. – Sabbatino ( talk) 15:16, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
While information must be verifiable in order to be included in an article, this does not mean that all verifiable information must be included in an article.Just because decisions aren't always unanimous is not a reason to resort to "all or nothing".— Bagumba ( talk) 03:10, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
I get that plain "football" can have many different meanings depending on where you are from, and that's how the use of "American football" came about. However, it seems like most soccer articles are invoking WP:TIES in BLP and team related article to just call it " football" while piping to Association football. See FA Manchester United F.C., GA Juventus F.C., and GA Lionel Messi as examples.
In fact, there was a
2018 Village Pump discussion on whether the specific code of football needed to be explicit, to which there was no consensus. Back in 2009, I saw that
Trovatore wrote, ... the American football articles say American football on first reference. There needs to be reciprocity. If there isn't, then the American football articles could also just call it football on first reference, which probably wouldn't really confuse anyone either ...
I suggest we start doing the same if it's obvious the subject is American. So NFL bios should follow the standard of every other bio and write is an American
football player ...
, i.e. don't link person's American nationality. Team articles should say ... are a professional
football team based in Kansas City, Missouri, US.
We should stop calling it "American football" if it is apparent the subject is American. Some articles, like
Wes Chandler, have had this for a while.—
Bagumba (
talk)
08:24, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
I've changed a few articles ( Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Donald, Rob Gronkowski, O. J. Simpson, and Tom Brady) to see if there is any feedback.— Bagumba ( talk) 12:54, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
... is an English-born American football defensive tackle for the ...Just state that he's English. Because we don't do it for current players, we also don't do it for former players. See Dieter Brock:
... is a former Canadian Football League and National Football League player ...So is he Canadian or American? Just clearly state the nationality of American/Canadian football players, period.— Bagumba ( talk) 01:42, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
is an American football player ...proposal does nothing more than create a piped easteregg link, while the
... English-born American football player ...examples are rare enough that I don't think we should use this as the main argument to support this. I'm not against improving this in another way, but I just feel like your proposal violates a guideline or two without actually improving anything. I'd like to hear what other WP:NFL members think. ~ Dissident93 ( talk) 16:11, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
... nationality isn't essential in understanding the context of who this person ...: That is contrary to the community MOS, which states at MOS:CONTEXTBIO:
The opening paragraph should usually provide context for the activities that made the person notable. In most modern-day cases this will be the country of which the person is a citizen ...An exception would need to go beyond a WP:LOCALCONSENSUS. Without evidence of this wider consensus, I think maybe we just randomly inherited this format, perhaps by early edits like this one from 2005 to John Elway that plopped in a link to "American football" when neither "American" nor "football" was in the lead until then. I had mentioned Wes Chandler earlier, which shows American nationality and pipes "American football" to "football", and that practice is in other articles like Kevin Carter (American football). There's other varying formats like James Brooks (American football) (
... is a retired NFL football running back) or Stanley Morgan (
... is a former NFL wide receiver), that dont provide any context, even the low bar you suggest of just "American football". Therefore, I don't see where there is an existing "football consensus" for which you suggested for me to volunteer my time and conform to.— Bagumba ( talk) 09:47, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
For anyone looking for gnomish work, seems the following lists have references already, but there is no listing of the players yet in the articles:
— Bagumba ( talk) 14:48, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:2019 Arizona Hotshots season#Merger proposals. Eagles 24/7 (C) 15:59, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
With the recent news that Steven Jackson was subjected to drug testing due to his signing a one-day contract to retire with the Rams, I'd like to open a discussion about how to proceed with this in the infoboxes. For a long time the consensus on this website has been to leave out these "ceremonial" contracts from the infobox but recently it is becoming clearer that these contracts are in fact official ones. According to this Deadspin article, teams have to clear a roster space to sign these players and actually fill out paperwork for the league office. It also says the media likes to call these contracts "ceremonial" but a Jaguars representative said they are not. This article from CBS states NaVorro Bowman was unable to sign his one-day contract on June 4 because the team didn't want to cut a player to sign him. He was later signed to the contract on July 22. I know it seems a little crufty to include it in the infoboxes, but if we include offseason-only teams shouldn't we do the same for one-day contracts? Eagles 24/7 (C) 17:37, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
Bump so this discussion does not get archived before a consensus has been reached. Eagles 24/7 (C) 21:15, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
The playoff bracket is completely wrong: /info/en/?search=1989_NFL_season#Playoffs — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:569:7669:2900:F40A:E4CE:AA34:526F ( talk) 18:01, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Do y'all think it could be a better idea to add Wild card berths for NFL teams instead of having the years as playoff appearances? Because I think it's kind of confusing for other people to get how they made it. Because it's got the division title years but for the wild card years it's jammed into the division titles.
Like when a team makes the WC instead of putting it on the playoff appearances it can be on Wild card berth because that's what it is pretty much. Sports Fan 1997 ( talk) 01:16, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
Oh, when 3rd and 4th seeds win the division I don't think it's on their Division titles. Sports Fan 1997 ( talk) 16:06, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
What about this one? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Titans Sports Fan 1997 ( talk) 17:43, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
I think it's right. Sports Fan 1997 ( talk) 19:27, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
Per WP:NOT, I need these TV things to be removed on game summaries and standings. WP isn't a yellowpage directory. 2600:1702:38D0:E70:FD25:732E:F177:1A07 ( talk) 20:43, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
User:Jack Skellington III is now going through season articles and removing times and TV channels as per his interpretation of WP:NOTTVGUIDE. I disagree with these changes and would like to open it up to WP:NFL for thoughts. Eagles 24/7 (C) 19:05, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
I came across this article via WP:THQ#Wrong info in "Booth Lusteg Wikipedia" article on Google and have been trying to clean it up and expand it a bit. I've been able to find a few sources, but have sort of run into a bit of a brick wall. So, I was wondering if someone from this WikiProject might be able to help out a bit or suggest further improvements. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 01:35, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
What's the definition of "headquarters" for the teams? Is it where the administrative (Owner/CEO/GM/Coaches etc.) offices are? I'm speaking in reference to the Kansas City Chiefs. It says they're "played and headquartered in Arrowhead Stadium." If HQ means where their admin offices are, then it's wrong. Corky 01:55, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject American football#Meaning of "field goal attempt". -- Marchjuly ( talk) 03:36, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
User :@ Jweiss11: is changing the order of the categories defined in existing NFL biographies from chronological to alphabetical. To me, it makes it more difficult to read and analyze. Please advise if there is a standard to register them. Makers267 ( talk) 17:45, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
I think most of us can agree that Win-Loss records for starting quarterbacks are noteworthy statistics that are valuable to readers. The Win-Loss records as a starter (overall and by season) help to identify the successes of a quarterback in leading his team to victory. This is especially true in the case of Tom Brady who is the winningest quarterback in NFL history. Nevertheless, his Win-Loss records as a starter, which have existed as statistics on his page for years, were recently stripped. Help me to maintain this valuable statistic and preserve his legacy and records for posterity.
Mwatz122 ( talk) 04:58, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
There has been a dispute on the Minnesota Vikings article talk page about whether to count the Vikings as having won 1 league championship (the 1969 NFL title) or 0 league championships. My personal opinion is that it should be 0, since that is consistent with other NFL team articles, such as the Kansas City Chiefs, Indianapolis Colts, and Oakland Raiders. Most people (and most sources) would not count the Vikings as having won a championship in that year, since they lost the Super Bowl to the Chiefs. This has been an ongoing back-and-forth debate/edit war on the Vikings article for over a decade, and I want to establish a consensus once and for all. I have come to this page to establish a consensus on how NFL titles are counted on Wikipedia- should titles be counted if the NFL/AFL championship was won but the Super Bowl was lost? If not, the Vikings page should be changed. If they are counted, the Chiefs, Colts, and Raiders pages need to be changed. Vavent ( talk) 03:08, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Booth Lusteg#Researching Booth Lusteg. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 01:09, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
An editor has nominated an article for deletion asserting that despite playing in 27 regular season NFL/AFL games this player does not pass WP:NGRIDIRON, WP:GNG, WP:SPORTSBASIC, WP:V, WP:BASIC, or WP:ANYBIO. Eagles 24/7 (C) 19:05, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
I noticed that the more recent conference standings, for example Template:2019 NFC standings, the are columns for SOS and SOV. But older conference standings templates instead have PF, PA, and PD. I'm going to go through the older ones and standardize them to look like the newer ones. The SOS and SOV columns are, presumably, the more relevant columns to have because: 1) they're the ones listed on espn.com's playoff standings pages; and 2) the PF and PA are already displayed in the division standings. Please let me know if there is disagreement on this so we can have both consensus and standardization. Useight ( talk) 20:18, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
List of career achievements by Brett Favre and List of career achievements by Peyton Manning seem to be the only List of career achievements... articles in WP:NFL (outside of the redirect List of career achievements by Vince Young). Full disclosure, I created the first one of these (the Brett Favre one) 11 years ago. However, in my opinion these articles, especially Favre's, are a mess (743 refs may be the most I have ever seen). Most of the "achievements" in this article are trivia and are so specific that they really aren't notable (i.e. records that have been surpassed, records by stadium, "Personal bests", etc). These article's really suffer from recentism, especially when they were playing and breaking new records. If you were to create a similar type article for Don Hutson (or any other historic player), 90% of these so-called "records" wouldn't be included as either non-notable or purely trivia. I was thinking of AFDing them. But my track record isn't great (I lean deletionist I guess), so I figured a discussion here would be best before AFD. All that said, if these articles are still worthy of inclusion, I think WP:NFL needs to define clear criteria for inclusion (i.e. who is notable enough to have a List of career achievements...) and what records are notable enough to be included. The way the Brett Favre article is set-up, maintenance, verifiability, and accuracy are very difficult. In my opinion, Brett Favre accurately captures most, if not all of, his major achievements that are truly notable and relevant (MVPs, Super Bowls, 1st place records, well-known records broke, etc). These achievement articles just become a sports trivia page and should be discouraged and/or deleted. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 18:21, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
First thing that jumps out is WP:NOTSTATS, especially ones based on stats site queries, which is essentially WP:OR on primary sources (e.g. stats databases).— Bagumba ( talk) 10:55, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
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This is a thing? A list of pairings? Aren't we in Wikia territory here? Drmies ( talk) 14:59, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
There is an RfC currently underway about where a section on brain damage should appear in a biography of Arron Hernandez. Your contribution would be welcome. -- Slugger O'Toole ( talk) 22:08, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
Can editors here please take a look at John Matuszak? We have an IP repeatedly adding unsourced information and now essentially daring me to revert them, claiming they'll accuse me of violating 3RR, and while I suspect I'd be okay I'd just as soon have other editors involved. Thank you. DonIago ( talk) 02:00, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
No further assistance needed on this. Thanks all. DonIago ( talk) 15:30, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
Just trying to build consensus around his recent social media incident/release. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 16:11, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
I've only this season started doing edits to NFL-related articles on Wikipedia, and I'm wondering if there's a consensus on timing for scoring plays in game capsules for the teams' season pages. I've been basing my edits for these on the NFL Game books, using the timings on the first page, mostly because I saw someone else do that earlier ( this, for instance), so I did the same going forward. Found out today that the "wrong" timings that I've been changed reflect the time of the snap on scoring plays, while the times I've been using reflect the time of the actual score. I'd argue that the timing of the score should be used rather than the timing of the snap, but I'm wondering which timing is considered more "correct". KristofferAG ( talk) 22:08, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
Among the many tasks that will have to be completed now that the Arena Football League today has announced the league has ceased entirely is updating player pages. I have created a tracking category of players that have an AFL team as their current team in the NFL biography infobox here. Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:05, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
I have nominated Template:Pro-football-reference for merging with Template:Footballstats. Please see the discussion here. Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 21:52, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
@ WuTang94:
There is a new rivalry article at Colts–Texans rivalry. Current citations seem to focus on game results, but notability does not seem to be established to WP:GNG. FYI to the project. UW Dawgs ( talk) 21:18, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
I have nominated List of broadcasters for Green Bay Packers home games in Milwaukee for deletion here. Please feel free to take part in the discussion. Cheers, « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 20:37, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
I have nominated Green Bay Packers home games in Milwaukee for deletion. Please feel free to take part in the discussion here. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 16:04, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
WHO keeps messing with the Denver Broncos' HTML color codes? Their current NFLPrimaryStyle should be orange background and white text and navy frame. Someone keeps changing it back and forth between their 97thru11 NFLPrimaryStyle and an orange background with navy text. The navy text within an orange background is tough on the eyes. DPH1110 ( talk) 17:29, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
Test table For those who maintain colors, perhaps getting a test table like Module:Sports_color/basketball/doc#Test_table has would make it easier to test new colors and maintain contrast ratios.— Bagumba ( talk) 18:01, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Bringing this here for common discussion separate from individual deletion discussions that are going on. BornonJune8 has a passion for broadcaster information. In some cases, this information is relevant and notable to the topic at hand. However, in most cases, in my opinion, listing out the broadcasters for various games falls under WP:INDISCRIMINATE. It isn't intrusive when added to an existing table, such as Bills Toronto Series. However, it's addition to articles like Green Bay Packers home games in Milwaukee (see this version before I reverted its addition) is definitely inappropriate, especially when we are talking about hundreds of entries for normal regular season games. I ask that there be some consensus here on the appropriateness of broadcaster information in NFL articles, as well as some assistance in enforcing whatever is decided here. Cheers, « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 16:16, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
... all verifiable information need not be included in an article. Consensus may determine that certain information does not improve an article, and that it should be omitted ...As far as standalone broadcast team lists, an argument might be made that each networks historical #1 team might meet WP:LISTN, but I can't imagine that a network's entire roster of play-by-play/color pairings meets the guideline. But a general all-time list of a network's notable personnel is probably ok.— Bagumba ( talk) 17:04, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
A new editor is trying to add height and weight, and some flowery language. The infobox is currently showing an error for the height because they entered the units instead of just the numbers. Would someone understanding this topic please do a quick cleanup or a revert if bad sources. Johnuniq ( talk) 22:55, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
Hello, there is a category for discussion started for Category:American football dual-threat quarterbacks that you may be interested in here. Eagles 24/7 (C) 16:41, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
CatcherStorm ( talk · contribs) has been adding Pro Football Focus All-Rookie honors to player's infoboxes, but I don't think this should not count for a proper award per WP:NFLINFOBOX. It's just a formatted list of their top rated players disguised as some real honor; we wouldn't add "PFF Top Rated Quarterback" to infoboxes, right? I just thought I'd start a discussion here in case my thinking is entirely wrong. ~ Dissident93 ( talk) 11:18, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
Hello, there is a discussion at Template talk:Cleveland Browns staff about which positions on the staff should be included in the template, and you are invited to participate. Eagles 24/7 (C) 16:36, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
Currently, this is how the number of Pro Bowls corresponds with importance assessment:
0-1: At least Low
2: At least Mid
3-6: At least High
7+: At least Top
PFR gives the following distribution of players:
0-1: 24680
2: 523
3-6: 815
7+: 193
Note that less people are in the "at least Mid" category than in the "at least High" category. In order to balance this out, I propose moving 1-time pro bowlers to mid-importance. This would result in the following distribution:
0: 23,570
1-2: 1633
3-6: 815
7+: 193
Further balance could be achieved by shifting 3s to mid-importance and 7s to high-importance. This would result in the following distribution:
0: 23,570
1-3: 2116
4-7: 546
8+: 130
Thoughts?
400spartans (
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18:08, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
I came across this redirect recently. With the expansion of the EDGE position into a full-time position on the same scale as DL and DE, this seems like a good opportunity for an article. Just wanted to bring it up here to see if anyone would want to work on it. Cheers, « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 18:47, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
I wanna get a set in stone rule here because I feel like there’s might be some inconsistencies. When it comes to player signings, coach hirings, and trades, should we wait until the “official announcement, which is similar to what NBA pages do, or is it ok to go ahead and makes when multiple reliable sources are reporting the transactions. I’ve always handled it as when multiple reliable sources are reporting the transaction and I know others have done the same thing but then I’ve recently come across editors that don’t follow this, one editor in particular @ TheBigMan720: that is insistent we always have waited until the official announcement. I’m of course talking about all transactions that aren’t ones that have wait until the new league year to be official, and specifically in-season transactions and coach hirings.--Rockchalk 7 17 03:56, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
Not disrupting anything here. That felt like a personal attack to me. I haven’t done anything wrong other than remove information that isn’t confirmed by the team themselves. Plus, the question is that is the announcement official from the team themselves like the Panthers announced officially from their social media pages that the hiring of Matt Rhule is official. Thats what nobody gets here in my opinion. TheBigMan720 ( talk) 05:03, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
I rely on the official team website or the social media pages. I already said this once and I'll say it again, but coaches can back out of a deal regardless is if its finalized by a team. I don't know why this is a big issue when I got away with this multiple times in the past with other coaches reports to a new team signing. This is getting ridiculous. TheBigMan720 ( talk) 05:11, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
Maybe who knows. But look I'm being nice and cordial with you guys and I don't want to get mean with you as well but I revert for a good reason, I check the official website of the team and social media pages before stupid unregistered users starts messing with the page before the official announcement. One admin Muboshgu always waits for the official announcement on Major League Baseball players and coaches page and he protects it sometimes. Again I'm not here to slap anyone in the face but just to friendly edit here on wikipedia thats all. TheBigMan720 ( talk) 05:20, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
(General cmt, and somewhat of a response to @Rockchalk717 ping) First of all, there is the essay WP:SPORTSTRANS. Have a look (or a reread). Regarding IP/new editors, the main problem is it's usually unsourced. If you don't think they've signed or it's unreliable, you can revert and warn them with {{ uw-sportstrans}}. Ask for page protection at WP:RPP if it's widespread.— Bagumba ( talk) 06:11, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
Use of {{ Current sports transaction}}: In NBA, I generally only see it added when reverting unofficial news, or unofficial news was already in article. I can't recall the same person changing the lead and inbox and also adding the tag. Basically, the tag says "other people might add unreliable stuff, or this article might be out of date", not "I've added stuff that's not 100%".— Bagumba ( talk) 06:16, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
Okay I seen you on the NBA pages you are a good editor. I will take your advice sir or ma'am. TheBigMan720 ( talk) 06:18, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
( edit conflict) I looked at sources from the two diffs above. First of all, I'm not that active on NFL and dont plan to edit regarding this news on Judge. In this NFL.com source on Judge, it says " Giants responded by agreeing to hire Patriots special teams coordinator and wide receivers coach Joe Judge" That doesn't say he's signed (past tense). I can agree to terms on buying a car, but it's different than saying I own the car yet. In this NJ.com source, the text says "The Giants are in the process of hiring ...", while the headline is click-baity "Giants hire Patriots’ Joe Judge as head coach". Generally, the text is more reliable than the headline. Jounalism standards are changing. Lot's of online sources want to draw viewers, use amateur contributors and not paid staff, and tend to be looses and write things as done deals. There are still sources that are careful to say "agree to terms", "according to league sources" etc. to hint that it's not a signed deal yet. Likely, legacy newspapers, ESPN, or the team itself.— Bagumba ( talk) 06:39, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
Thank you @Bagumba. TheBigMan720 ( talk) 06:50, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
I rely on the team's Twitter account most of the time because it has a blue check mark meaning its verified account. TheBigMan720 ( talk) 07:13, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
No what started all this, Rockchalk that you decided intervene with my edits (which you have the right to, you didn't have too). I never contacted you (Except the Terrell Suggs situation) nor never revert your edits at anytime. TheBigMan720 ( talk) 09:00, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
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Rockchalk717 and
TheBigMan720: This is the wrong site to be at if you don't want your edits changed by someone. It says it right there everytime we press edit: Work submitted to Wikipedia can be edited ...
Maybe you really missed something, maybe the other person was misinformed.
Assume good faith, discuss it, and reach an understanding. It's usually not a
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User:Dissident93 has recently made a series of edits to introduce the use of "present" in navboxes for NFL coaches and executives, e.g. Template:Pittsburgh Steelers coach navbox and Template:Pittsburgh Steelers general manager navbox. The standard that has prevailed for the past several years—not only for such NFL navboxes, but for over 1,000 such navboxes across pro and college sports in North America and beyond—is to omit such usage of "present" in the current title-holder's tenure. This formatting goes back to the origination of such navboxes with parenthetical years of tenure developed first for college football coaches, circa 2010 at Wikipedia:WikiProject College football. On my talk page, Dissident93 has argued that this standard for sports navboxes contravenes such standards elsewhere across the encyclopedia, e.g. business and politics. However, I haven't found any analogous examples of navboxes displaying chronological series of office holders with parenthetical years, where "present" is used. Template:Boris Johnson and Template:Donald Trump do use "present", but are a bit of a different animal. Analogous navoxes for political office holders appear to omit years of tenure entirely, e.g. Template:Governors of New York, Template:Heads of state of France. Navboxes for university presidents do contain years, but omit "present" in line with the sports navboxes, e.g. Template:Harvard University presidents. For the sake of consistency, the NFL navboxes should align with other sports navboxes, whether "present" is used for all of them or not. With simplicity and required workload in mind, I recommend we remove "present" from the 60 or so NFL navboxes in question rather than convert the other 1,000+. I tried to do as much with the NFL coach navboxes last night, but was reverted by Dissident93. Thoughts? Jweiss11 ( talk) 00:43, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
Do not use incomplete-looking constructions such as 1982– and 1982–... .— Bagumba ( talk) 00:55, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
... where space is limited, pres. may be used (1982–pres.).— Bagumba ( talk) 01:44, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
Hi guys, is it worth adding notes to Pro Bowlers in {{ Infobox NFL team season}} to indicate which ones made it as a starter/bench player/alternate? Based on his edits to 2019 Tennessee Titans season, User:DaveTheBrave seems to think not, but I think it's important to make the distinction between players who were named to the Pro Bowl's initial rosters and which ones were called up due to injury or another player being involved in the Super Bowl. – Pee Jay 06:29, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
I was curious, why does this wikiproject add "Hisory of the" in article titles for past incarnations of teams (for instance History of the Oakland Raiders, History of the St. Louis Rams, History of the Houston Oilers, etc.) when other projects don't have that title ( Atlanta Thrashers, Seattle SuperSonics, Montreal Expos, etc.)? It's not very uniform with the rest in my opinion. DrewieStewie ( talk) 20:01, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
Is anyone was interested in editing the San Francisco 49ers and Kansas City Chiefs articles in a sort of 'contest' to see which article can look better by Super Bowl time? I will probably be solely editing the 49ers article, but can give barnstars to another 49ers article editor or Chiefs article editor, awarded around the time of the Super Bowl. I assume the articles will receive a lot of traffic and it would be great if we could show off some great improvements. It looks like the Chiefs article has a better start, but still has areas for improvement (like adding citations to The Patrick Mahomes Era). I could potentially make a list of improvements on the talk page of each article if anyone needs ideas on what to work on. I would also help out the Chiefs article if someone returns the favor on the 49ers article. Improvement is of course subjective and I may give out multiple awards depending on level of interest. In particular, if anyone has access to book sources for either team, their help would be greatly appreciated. I have access to Newspapers.com which can be useful for citing certain parts of the article.
On the same topic, is there a good NFL team article to use as a style template? I clicked through four or five NFL team articles and they had wildly different formats. There is some excessive detail that is in the 49ers article that does not exist in other NFL team articles, and was thinking of moving it to a separate page or deleting it entirely. Kees08 (Talk) 23:04, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
Could someone from this project check out this article? The article lists his NFL teams as the 49ers and Redskins, but I am pretty sure he never played in the NFL. But I know sometime preseason and practice squad players count. He doesn’t have the categories for the teams listed. It would be he,Paul if someone who knows the NFL consensus around this stuff could go take a look and make any adjustments. Thanks. Rikster2 ( talk) 15:07, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
I've tagged Pro Bowl at Pro Bowl#Rule differences as being stale (cites are to 2011) and asked about specific rule differences at Talk:Pro Bowl#No PATs or FG attempts?. —[ AlanM1( talk)]— 20:08, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
We need to decide what to do with Saquon Barkley's listed height. Editors (mostly IP) tend to change his height and I usually reverted it. However, I now checked it and see that the NY Giants] and NFL list different heights. Other websites (ESPN, PFR, FOX Sports, etc) are also inconsistent and list either 6 ft 0 in (1.83 m) or 5 ft 11 in (1.80 m). So how do we handle this? – Sabbatino ( talk) 08:36, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
I have nominated the following articles for deletion: List of career achievements by Brett Favre, List of career achievements by Peyton Manning, and List of career achievements by Drew Brees. Please feel free to take part in the discussion. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 17:02, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
Hello all, hope everyone is ready for the Super Bowl, being a Chiefs fan, I sure am lol. Anyways, I’m in a discussion regarding what Infobox to use for Steve Spurrier on the talk page. I would like for some input on the discussion if anyone is able to! Talk:Steve Spurrier#Infobox format. I’ll be making a similar request on the College Football project talk page.--Rockchalk 7 17 19:59, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
I understand there's been consensuses in the past here at WikiProject National Football League about coaching tree list sections on coach bio articles. There's currently a discussion underway at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football#Tree littering about those lists. We're hoping build a new unified consensus about this sort of content that spans these two projects. Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 22:39, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
Please see the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football#Adding captions to tables for accessibility as it affects this WikiProject as well. Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 14:47, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
There is a discussion at Talk:National Football League#No, this is not the Chiefs’ first NFL Championship regarding the number of Chiefs' titles. Input from the members of the project would be appreciated. – Sabbatino ( talk) 20:32, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
Who wants to join? New3400 ( talk) 12:00, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
Task force? What do you mean? New3400 ( talk) 20:51, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
Okay, who wants to join the bucs taskforce? New3400 ( talk) 03:36, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
In 2015, in the Kevin Sweeney (American football) article, I wrote the following text: "After the players went on a strike on the third week of the 1987 season, those games were canceled (reducing the 16 game season to 15) and the NFL decided that the games would be played with replacement players. Sweeney was signed to be a part of the Dallas Cowboys replacement team, that was given the mock name "Rhinestone Cowboys" by the media.[6] He became the third ever rookie quarterback to start for the Cowboys, following Don Meredith (1960) and Roger Staubach (1969).[7] He was a popular player with the fans during those games; when Danny White took over the team for the third replacement team against the Washington Redskins, the crowd started chanting "We Want Sweeny, We Want Sweeny" when the team didn't performed well in the eventual 7-13 loss.[8] He was kept on the roster for the rest of the year."
Today I found out that the following book that was published much later ( https://books.google.com.mx/books?id=mJuaDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA71&lpg=PA71&dq=%22Dallas+cowboys%22+%22rhinestone+Cowboys%22+1987&source=bl&ots=r4vCxGiJq-&sig=ACfU3U2XozkBiibN8hlQA78D7eGjoFG3jg&hl=es-419&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiR_qL-9sXnAhVLAp0JHZazCI8Q6AEwDnoECAwQAQ#v=onepage&q=sweeney&f=false), copied the text exactly the same. Should something be done about it ?. And I don't want to even check if the author did the same with some of the other articles where I contributed. Tecmo ( talk) 02:47, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for the recommendations. Tecmo ( talk) 14:47, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
I've recently uploaded a bunch of photos I took from a July 2016 Atlanta Falcons training camp onto the Wikimedia Commons. Would anyone be interested in helping me find coaches and players that don't have pictures on their Wikipedia pages in these photos? I've managed to find Matt LaFleur and Katie Sowers, but apparently Mike McDaniel and Mike LaFleur were also on the Falcons' coaching staff in 2016. Thomson200 ( talk) 19:50, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
So I think Mike McDaniel is wearing a camo hat and a grey shirt in those photos I uploaded. That coach wearing the camo hat looks a lot like this photo of McDaniel from 2016. I've updated McDaniel's page accordingly. Thomson200 ( talk) 21:45, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
I think Mike LaFleur is wearing a white cap backwards at the 2015 camp and a black cap backwards at the 2016 camp. I've updated LaFleur's page accordingly. Thomson200 ( talk) 00:04, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
Hello,
I've recently visited the Steelers homepage and have noticed their alternate Color Rush uniforms have not been added to the template on the right side. I am requesting that this be added to the page.
Pitt3484 ( talk) 06:43, 23 February 2020 (UTC)Pitt3484 2/23/2020
There is an open AfD that the members of this project may be interested in, please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Toro (mascot). Thanks!!! Ejgreen77 ( talk) 14:12, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
A newer user ( Bigmike2346 ( talk · contribs)) is making widespread changes to coach article infoboxes, condensing their various titles into one bullet if it was with one team. Gary Kubiak example here. I have reverted a few of these earlier changes with explanations in my edit summaries, but it does not appear that this user is interested in discussing the changes. What does the subproject think about these changes in general? Eagles 24/7 (C) 21:43, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
So I’d like to propose something. I know Super Bowls I II III and IV were officially “AFL-NFL Championships” when they were played, but since they are now retroactively called “Super Bowls” and there were only four anyway, I kinda feel like the “no_pre1970sb_champs” and “pre1970sb_champs” parameters should be removed and the information added to the “no_sb_champs” and “sb_champs“ parameters of the team Infobox. It seems kind of unnecessary to have separate parameters for these, especially since a grand total of 3 teams use it. It makes more sense to me for them including with other Super Bowl Championships for the Chiefs and Packers and move the Jets one into the unused super bowl champs parameter (promise that wasn’t meant to be trash talk lol). What does everyone think?--Rockchalk 7 17 08:28, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
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Talk:National Football League#No, this is not the Chiefs’ first NFL Championship, I agree with PeeJay2K3. Seems like some of you are engaged in a bunch of
WP:OR and
WP:SYNTH to conflate the concept of League Championship with World Championship just to make some infobox parameter tidy. There are plenty of
WP:RS verifying the Vikings as 1969 NFL Champions
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[7]. Do you have sources contradicting that? Are you also proposing that
1969 NFL season,
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List of NFL champions (1920–1969) should be edited to remove the Vikings as NFL Champions? Yes, those four years are different from all the others. The infobox should reflect the nuanced reality of the situation, not be shoehorned into something that seems logical on it's face but is demonstrably false. As for the OP's question, I have no problem with the winners of those 4 year's Super Bowls using the sb_champs parameter, but the template instructions should be changed from league_champs [OPTIONAL] A comma-separated list of the seasons in which the team has won a league championships prior to the Super Bowl era
to league_champs [OPTIONAL] A comma-separated list of the seasons in which the team has won a league championship prior to the 1970 AFL–NFL merger.
Mojoworker (
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Hang on, if “ the situation now is that 31 NFL teams' pages define that term one way, and the Vikings' page defines it a different way“; then why does a cursory glance at the pages of the teams you previously cited as examples for difference (Colts, Chiefs, and Raiders) show that all of those teams currently list their pre-merger championships? I’m not sure exactly when the championships were added. It seems the Chiefs was recent and the other two at least several months or longer ago, but if the argument is consistency it would appear the pages are currently consistent. Ohgoshhi ( talk) 11:11, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
The Wikipedia pages for the Kansas City Chiefs, Oakland Raiders, and Indianapolis Colts do not list the year they lost the Super Bowl as a year in which they won a "League Championship."– they all originally did: 1966 included for the Chiefs, 1967 included for the Raiders, 1968 included for the Colts. Clearly that was the original intent of the template's author. And it sure looks like the no_pre1970sb_champs= parameter was added to explicitly not count the 1966-1969 Super Bowl wins on top of the number of League Championships. Mojoworker ( talk) 23:29, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
I almost forgot to address the claim that 31 NFL teams' pages define "League Championship" differently than the Vikings
which is patently false. In fact 29 NFL teams' pages currently define "League Championship" exactly the same as the Vikings page – and at one time, all 32 did. The Colts and Raiders pages employ the no_pre1970sb_champs= parameter which we are currently discussing here.
Mojoworker (
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21:40, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
Per WP:CONTRAST, we need to have color schemes on Wikipedia to at least meet the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) 2.0's AA level. This is to ensure that readers with color-blindness or other visual impairments are able to use the website. The Miami Dolphins color scheme is currently at a 3.95:1 ratio (white text on aqua background), and needs to be at a 4.5:1 ratio or higher. Here are the options for a new color scheme using combinations of the Dolphins' current colors:
Please indicate below which your preferred color scheme example is with a reason. Thanks! Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:03, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
Instead of changing the colours of the font and background, have you ever considered using coloured borders, as is done for National Hockey League articles? For example, see the infobox and tables at Montreal Canadiens. This avoids the issues of contrast and legibility. isaacl ( talk) 04:25, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
I typically see jerseys categorized as a free file, like File:Vikings16 three.png. I saw File:NFCN-Uniform-MIN-2010.PNG marked as nonfree, but it says it is trademarked and nothing about copyright. Then I saw a bunch of deleted uniform images on the talk page of JohnnySeoul, who has since retired from Wikipedia. Has this been discussed before? I assume that all of the images like these are either free or non-free. I think they are free (unless copyrighted by the image creator), but was wondering if there were edge cases I am not considering.
If they are indeed free, I could help with undeletions and migrating to Commons, as well as correcting the licensing. If they are all non-free, I can help deal with that situation. And if I would just be getting in the way and everything is fine as it is, I can not do anything as well. Kees08 (Talk) 22:14, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Need more eyes on Tom Brady. An editor has changed his page to say he is a free agent, despite this being factually untrue until March 18, 2020, at 4PM EST. I am unable to revert due to someone claiming I've violated 3RR on the article on my talk page. Eagles 24/7 (C) 15:15, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
I noticed that some of the career stats tables of players use color to indicate milestones like records, championship seasons etc. However, they dont also show a symbol, which does not comply with
MOS:COLOR: Ensure that color is not the only method used to convey important information. Especially, do not use colored text or background unless its status is also indicated using another method such as an accessible symbol matched to a legend, or footnote labels.
I saw that Koavf tried to address this at Tom Brady with this edit to add symbols. However, the added symbols °, ≈, ×, and ± differ from *, †, ‡, §, | and ¶ that are listed at Note (typography) § Numbering and symbols, which are used in many non-NFL articles. Otto Graham, an FA, doesn't even use any symbols with its color. This project should come up with a convention. It seems Brady and Graham might also have too many "feats" they're trying to highlight, which causes clutter.— Bagumba ( talk) 09:33, 20 March 2020 (UTC)