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For a template such as Template:2007-08 NBA Southeast standings, I think it would be better to have another template that automatically computes the GP, W, L, and PCT columns after passing in the home wins/losses and road wins/losses. This should reduce the probability of error, and make updates easier and quicker. The beginning of the standings source code could look something like this:
{| class="wikitable" ! width="40%" | [[Southeast Division (NBA)|Southeast Division]] ! width="5%" | GP ! width="5%" | W ! width="5%" | L ! width="5%" | PCT ! width="7.5%" | Home ! width="7.5%" | Road ! width="7.5%" | GB |- align=center {{#ifeq:{{{team}}}|ORL|bgcolor="#CCFFCC"}} {{NBA team standings |team = [[Orlando Magic]]<sup>3</sup> |home_wins = 25 |home_losses = 16 |road_wins = 27 |road_losses = 14 |games_behind = -- }} |- align=center {{#ifeq:{{{team}}}|WAS|bgcolor="#CCFFCC"}} {{NBA team standings |team = [[Washington Wizards]]<sup>5</sup> |home_wins = 25 |home_losses = 16 |road_wins = 18 |road_losses = 23 |games_behind = 9 }} ...
Any comments or suggestions? — LOL ( talk) 00:53, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
{{NBA team standings |team = [[Boston Celtics]] |home_wins = 27 |home_losses = 3 |road_wins = 27 |road_losses = 11 |neutral_wins = 8 |neutral_losses = 4 |games_behind = -- }}
On second thought, I only intend to use this template as a facilitator for updates throughout the regular season, so it should be subst'ed before the start of the next season and I don't have to worry about neutral courts. The template is slightly different from the original plan above, but editors are still only required to update five values (home_wins, home_losses, road_wins, road_losses, games_behind
). The template can now be found at {{
NBA team standings}}, and an example at {{
User:LOL/Sandbox}} (derived from {{
2007-08 NBA Southeast standings}}). Here's
{{User:LOL/Sandbox|team=ORL}}
— LOL ( talk) 21:45, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
Hey, guys. I noticed that dang near half of the David Stern article is a section on controversies and criticisms. That seems to be a terrible POV and undue weight problem. That section should be truncated down to one small paragraph. And, now, I might be wrong, but it seems to me that the term "best commissioner in sports" is a phrase applied to Stern more than any other sports commissioner. So, it seems like the fact that half his article is an attack with absolutely no praise for his performance seems to be way out of line. If the article isn't improved in the next week or so, I'll tag it with a POV template and get around to working on it when I can. Chicken Wing ( talk) 22:16, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Looking through our Statistics, I see 25 Good Articles and only 5 Featured Articles. Quite simply, I think a 5 to 1 ratio of GAs to FAs is not a good thing. Maybe some of the articles simply can't be FAs yet (maybe Yi Jianlian, for example). But I think a lot of them can be FAs with a little attention and cleanup.
So, what I'm proposing is that we start a Collaboration of the Month, which is what a lot of other WikiProjects already do. However, I'm proposing that this be an FA Collaboration of the Month. We would pick an existing GA, and focus specifically on getting all aspects of it up to FA-class. If all goes as planned, then we would have at least one candidate per month for FAC.
And on another side note, I think that it would be nice to also work on some lists. In that respect, it seems that WP:NFL has done a great job on that, while we are lagging behind. For example, for lists of teams' draft history, I see we only have 10 out of 30 articles created, and only five are complete. There is a lot of work to be done on those. Noble Story ( talk) 06:20, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
OK, I've started the Collaboration. If we get just maybe three or four editors working steadily throughout the month on this article, then it could easily go the FAC. Noble Story ( talk) 08:44, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
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Volume 1, Issue 2 • May 5, 2008 • Written by: Noble Story | ||
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Magic Johnson has been chosen to be our very first Collaboration of the Month article. Although this is article is already a Good Article, it still can be improved. The goal is to improve this article by the end of May so that it can be nominated for Featured Article status. In particular, free-use images should be found for the article, all Manual of Style guidelines should be followed, and a neutral point of view should be maintained throughout the article. If there is anything you can do to improve the article, then please help out. |
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All the team articles for the
2008-09 NBA season have to be created. Please create the pages accurately and take
2008-09 Charlotte Bobcats season or
2008-09 Boston Celtics season as examples. Also, after creating an article, please update the
seasons template of the respective team. ●
8
~
Hype @
11:13, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
I've added 2007-08 Boston Celtics season to the good articles nominee list. Please feel free to review the article. ● 8 ~ Hype @ 11:38, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
But if it fails, would it qualify for GA status after the end of this season? ● 8 ~ Hype @ 11:51, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
User:Noble Story just asked me if I can deliver the newsletters with my bot, and I just wanted to say that I can. Just let me know when they're ready. Thanks! - Diligent Terrier (and friends) 12:17, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
All game logs for the 2008-09 NBA season have to be created, according to Template:2008-09 Boston Celtics season game log, and the team's colors (which have to be taken from the team's roster template, e.g. Template:Boston Celtics roster). ● 8 ~ Hype @ 19:42, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
I looked at a few NBA players articles and noticed that people put the award in the infobox using different styles. (For example, take a look at Kevin Garnett, Shaquille O'Neal or Steve Nash and compare) So it makes me wonder if standardizing the way we put awards in infobox is a good idea. Sort of like the Manual of Style of NBA articles. Any thoughts? — Chris! c t 04:44, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
First of all, I think all teams should have the seasons template according to Template:Boston Celtics seasons. Secondly, I would like to modify Template:Boston Celtics seasons, but don't know exactly what to do.
I have already tried to make those changes, but I applied a different format. Here's what I got:
However, there is still one issue to be fixed: The "v • d • e" in the title should be all white (team color) instead of the generic blue. Is there any way to fix it? And generally, is there any way of doing the changes without altering the format of the navbox? Thank you in advance. ● 8 ~ Hype @ 14:06, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
|fontcolor=white
within {{
Tnavbar-collapsible}}. —
LOL (
talk)
18:02, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
User:Djsasso has marked all the championship roster templates for deletion. I'm for keeping them myself, but I thought this wikiproject should help reach a consensus. The discussion is here. Dknights411 ( talk) 17:22, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Feel free to comment here. Chensiyuan ( talk) 07:53, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
This was a page I created because I thought that the topic deserved its own article. In a period of just over a month, there have been 238 edits (7.4 a day, which is a lot), and lots and lots of edit-warring. I'm not going to take a stand for either side, but I think the article could use a little help from some neutral third-parties who know at least something about the procedures. Anyone who could help regulate would be more than welcome to do so. Noble Story ( talk) 09:59, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Bill Russell has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Zagalejo ^^^ 06:47, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
It has an error. If the season is e.g. 2007-08, the link to the NBA Draft should be 2007 NBA Draft, not 2008 NBA Draft. Please inform me as soon as it is fixed. ● 8 ~ Hype @ 14:01, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Pau Gasol is currently a GA, but it is not shown as such in article importance. Gamloverks ( talk) 02:26, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
I was reading many NBA team pages, and I noticed that a lot of pages were very biased. For example, on the Miami Heat page, I edited it because someone had that it was fortunate that two players were sitting out. You aren't supposed to give your opinion at ALL, correct? You're supposed to state the facts. Just thought I'd bring that up! Y5nthon5a ( talk) 02:49, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Wow, this page doesn't have any new news from this season. I have only recently started watching basketball(around the end of the season) so could anyone please update this page? Thanks. Y5nthon5a ( talk) 04:19, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
I've seen that a lot of NBA player articles are rather bare of images. So, if any editor is looking for images, I would suggest looking here. The Flickr user who took all the photos is a professional sports photographer, so all his images are very high quality (unlike most of the blurry ones you see on a lot of articles). I've requested his images before for Yao Ming and Tracy McGrady, and he's agreed both times. So I would recommend taking a look at the collection to see if any articles could use some of his photos (I know there are a lot that can). Noble Story ( talk • contributions) 03:44, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Hey there, WP:NBA. I've put together a template for stadiums that have moved out of the "purposed" phase and have had physical construction started.
Template:Stadium_under_construction
Use it as necessary! Thanks! --
Me
Holla!
22:43, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that User:8-Hype has already created a championship template ( Template:Boston Celtics 2007-08 NBA champions) before the finals is even officially over. The creation itself is a serious violation of WP:Crystal and possibly WP:OR. I have considered nominating the template for deletion, but did not because the final result of the 2008 NBA championship might already be decided before the tfd process is even finished. Perhaps a warning should be given? Any thoughts?— Chris! c t 01:40, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Why are some called "(team name) draft history" and some called "List of (team name) first and second round draft picks"? Buc ( talk) 19:33, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
I just want to make sure with everybody that it's okay to start placing all the dashes in the article page names where applicable. This would finish off what User:Djsasso started after moving all the NBA season pages (e.g. 2007-08 NBA season → 2007–08 NBA season). — LOL ( talk) 04:54, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
They just become a battleground for nationalists. Look at Template:Chicago_Bulls_roster. Ben Gordon has dual citizenship, but we can only show one flag at a time, so people keep switching his nationality between US and UK. Zagalejo ^^^ 15:20, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
Hey, I need some advices on how to nominate this article for featured list status. For the past days, I have revamped the entire list and add references. However, I don't know if the list is ready and how to begin the FL process.— Chris! c t 22:03, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
The NBA season articles have a section on the season's statistics leaders, such as the one at 1955–56 NBA season. Although generally accurate, they do not reflect the statistics titles as recognized by the NBA for the seasons before 1969-70. Prior to 1969-70, the statistics titles for scoring, rebounding, and assists were given to the person with the highest totals and not the highest average. So, in the link for 1955-56 above, Maurice Stokes is listed as the leader in rebounding average although the rebounding title went to Bob Pettit, who grabbed 70 more rebounds (and played in five more games) than Stokes in 1955-56. In the interests of historical accuracy, I would like to change the tables before 1969-70 to contain the leaders in totals for these statistics. Let me know if there are any objections. — Myasuda ( talk) 01:23, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm planning on generating wikitables for all the active NBA players' statistics. I can put the tables somewhere and we can collaboratively copypaste the code into the articles that should have them. Anybody up for/against it?
But regardless of my plan, can we decide on a standard format for the tables? There's always some variation between the first five featured/good articles I've checked:
Duncan,
Yao,
Abdur-Rahim,
Bosh,
Nash. Any suggestions? —
LOL
T/
C
00:56, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Here is what I have so far. (An NBA.com bug caused Josh Smith's "Team" column to be empty.) I added a couple of perks: the sortable table and the bold season-highs. I removed the OFF, DEF, TO, and PF columns because I don't find them to be common on Wikipedia. I plan to make a legend template similar to {{ NBA roster statistics legend}}, as well as a table heading template to maintain the standard. — LOL T/ C 02:48, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
I've created the templates and generated tables for the Celtics and Bobcats, which can be found at User:LOL/NBA player statistics. Anything before I start shelling them out? If there are any gripes at all, I might be able to resolve them. — LOL T/ C 22:43, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | ← | Archive 5 | Archive 6 | Archive 7 | Archive 8 | Archive 9 | Archive 10 |
For a template such as Template:2007-08 NBA Southeast standings, I think it would be better to have another template that automatically computes the GP, W, L, and PCT columns after passing in the home wins/losses and road wins/losses. This should reduce the probability of error, and make updates easier and quicker. The beginning of the standings source code could look something like this:
{| class="wikitable" ! width="40%" | [[Southeast Division (NBA)|Southeast Division]] ! width="5%" | GP ! width="5%" | W ! width="5%" | L ! width="5%" | PCT ! width="7.5%" | Home ! width="7.5%" | Road ! width="7.5%" | GB |- align=center {{#ifeq:{{{team}}}|ORL|bgcolor="#CCFFCC"}} {{NBA team standings |team = [[Orlando Magic]]<sup>3</sup> |home_wins = 25 |home_losses = 16 |road_wins = 27 |road_losses = 14 |games_behind = -- }} |- align=center {{#ifeq:{{{team}}}|WAS|bgcolor="#CCFFCC"}} {{NBA team standings |team = [[Washington Wizards]]<sup>5</sup> |home_wins = 25 |home_losses = 16 |road_wins = 18 |road_losses = 23 |games_behind = 9 }} ...
Any comments or suggestions? — LOL ( talk) 00:53, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
{{NBA team standings |team = [[Boston Celtics]] |home_wins = 27 |home_losses = 3 |road_wins = 27 |road_losses = 11 |neutral_wins = 8 |neutral_losses = 4 |games_behind = -- }}
On second thought, I only intend to use this template as a facilitator for updates throughout the regular season, so it should be subst'ed before the start of the next season and I don't have to worry about neutral courts. The template is slightly different from the original plan above, but editors are still only required to update five values (home_wins, home_losses, road_wins, road_losses, games_behind
). The template can now be found at {{
NBA team standings}}, and an example at {{
User:LOL/Sandbox}} (derived from {{
2007-08 NBA Southeast standings}}). Here's
{{User:LOL/Sandbox|team=ORL}}
— LOL ( talk) 21:45, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
Hey, guys. I noticed that dang near half of the David Stern article is a section on controversies and criticisms. That seems to be a terrible POV and undue weight problem. That section should be truncated down to one small paragraph. And, now, I might be wrong, but it seems to me that the term "best commissioner in sports" is a phrase applied to Stern more than any other sports commissioner. So, it seems like the fact that half his article is an attack with absolutely no praise for his performance seems to be way out of line. If the article isn't improved in the next week or so, I'll tag it with a POV template and get around to working on it when I can. Chicken Wing ( talk) 22:16, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Looking through our Statistics, I see 25 Good Articles and only 5 Featured Articles. Quite simply, I think a 5 to 1 ratio of GAs to FAs is not a good thing. Maybe some of the articles simply can't be FAs yet (maybe Yi Jianlian, for example). But I think a lot of them can be FAs with a little attention and cleanup.
So, what I'm proposing is that we start a Collaboration of the Month, which is what a lot of other WikiProjects already do. However, I'm proposing that this be an FA Collaboration of the Month. We would pick an existing GA, and focus specifically on getting all aspects of it up to FA-class. If all goes as planned, then we would have at least one candidate per month for FAC.
And on another side note, I think that it would be nice to also work on some lists. In that respect, it seems that WP:NFL has done a great job on that, while we are lagging behind. For example, for lists of teams' draft history, I see we only have 10 out of 30 articles created, and only five are complete. There is a lot of work to be done on those. Noble Story ( talk) 06:20, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
OK, I've started the Collaboration. If we get just maybe three or four editors working steadily throughout the month on this article, then it could easily go the FAC. Noble Story ( talk) 08:44, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
The NBA WikiProject Newsletter | ||
Volume 1, Issue 2 • May 5, 2008 • Written by: Noble Story | ||
|
|
Magic Johnson has been chosen to be our very first Collaboration of the Month article. Although this is article is already a Good Article, it still can be improved. The goal is to improve this article by the end of May so that it can be nominated for Featured Article status. In particular, free-use images should be found for the article, all Manual of Style guidelines should be followed, and a neutral point of view should be maintained throughout the article. If there is anything you can do to improve the article, then please help out. |
Archives • Newsroom |
All the team articles for the
2008-09 NBA season have to be created. Please create the pages accurately and take
2008-09 Charlotte Bobcats season or
2008-09 Boston Celtics season as examples. Also, after creating an article, please update the
seasons template of the respective team. ●
8
~
Hype @
11:13, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
I've added 2007-08 Boston Celtics season to the good articles nominee list. Please feel free to review the article. ● 8 ~ Hype @ 11:38, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
But if it fails, would it qualify for GA status after the end of this season? ● 8 ~ Hype @ 11:51, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
User:Noble Story just asked me if I can deliver the newsletters with my bot, and I just wanted to say that I can. Just let me know when they're ready. Thanks! - Diligent Terrier (and friends) 12:17, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
All game logs for the 2008-09 NBA season have to be created, according to Template:2008-09 Boston Celtics season game log, and the team's colors (which have to be taken from the team's roster template, e.g. Template:Boston Celtics roster). ● 8 ~ Hype @ 19:42, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
I looked at a few NBA players articles and noticed that people put the award in the infobox using different styles. (For example, take a look at Kevin Garnett, Shaquille O'Neal or Steve Nash and compare) So it makes me wonder if standardizing the way we put awards in infobox is a good idea. Sort of like the Manual of Style of NBA articles. Any thoughts? — Chris! c t 04:44, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
First of all, I think all teams should have the seasons template according to Template:Boston Celtics seasons. Secondly, I would like to modify Template:Boston Celtics seasons, but don't know exactly what to do.
I have already tried to make those changes, but I applied a different format. Here's what I got:
However, there is still one issue to be fixed: The "v • d • e" in the title should be all white (team color) instead of the generic blue. Is there any way to fix it? And generally, is there any way of doing the changes without altering the format of the navbox? Thank you in advance. ● 8 ~ Hype @ 14:06, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
|fontcolor=white
within {{
Tnavbar-collapsible}}. —
LOL (
talk)
18:02, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
User:Djsasso has marked all the championship roster templates for deletion. I'm for keeping them myself, but I thought this wikiproject should help reach a consensus. The discussion is here. Dknights411 ( talk) 17:22, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Feel free to comment here. Chensiyuan ( talk) 07:53, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
This was a page I created because I thought that the topic deserved its own article. In a period of just over a month, there have been 238 edits (7.4 a day, which is a lot), and lots and lots of edit-warring. I'm not going to take a stand for either side, but I think the article could use a little help from some neutral third-parties who know at least something about the procedures. Anyone who could help regulate would be more than welcome to do so. Noble Story ( talk) 09:59, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Bill Russell has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Zagalejo ^^^ 06:47, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
It has an error. If the season is e.g. 2007-08, the link to the NBA Draft should be 2007 NBA Draft, not 2008 NBA Draft. Please inform me as soon as it is fixed. ● 8 ~ Hype @ 14:01, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Pau Gasol is currently a GA, but it is not shown as such in article importance. Gamloverks ( talk) 02:26, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
I was reading many NBA team pages, and I noticed that a lot of pages were very biased. For example, on the Miami Heat page, I edited it because someone had that it was fortunate that two players were sitting out. You aren't supposed to give your opinion at ALL, correct? You're supposed to state the facts. Just thought I'd bring that up! Y5nthon5a ( talk) 02:49, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Wow, this page doesn't have any new news from this season. I have only recently started watching basketball(around the end of the season) so could anyone please update this page? Thanks. Y5nthon5a ( talk) 04:19, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
I've seen that a lot of NBA player articles are rather bare of images. So, if any editor is looking for images, I would suggest looking here. The Flickr user who took all the photos is a professional sports photographer, so all his images are very high quality (unlike most of the blurry ones you see on a lot of articles). I've requested his images before for Yao Ming and Tracy McGrady, and he's agreed both times. So I would recommend taking a look at the collection to see if any articles could use some of his photos (I know there are a lot that can). Noble Story ( talk • contributions) 03:44, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Hey there, WP:NBA. I've put together a template for stadiums that have moved out of the "purposed" phase and have had physical construction started.
Template:Stadium_under_construction
Use it as necessary! Thanks! --
Me
Holla!
22:43, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that User:8-Hype has already created a championship template ( Template:Boston Celtics 2007-08 NBA champions) before the finals is even officially over. The creation itself is a serious violation of WP:Crystal and possibly WP:OR. I have considered nominating the template for deletion, but did not because the final result of the 2008 NBA championship might already be decided before the tfd process is even finished. Perhaps a warning should be given? Any thoughts?— Chris! c t 01:40, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Why are some called "(team name) draft history" and some called "List of (team name) first and second round draft picks"? Buc ( talk) 19:33, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
I just want to make sure with everybody that it's okay to start placing all the dashes in the article page names where applicable. This would finish off what User:Djsasso started after moving all the NBA season pages (e.g. 2007-08 NBA season → 2007–08 NBA season). — LOL ( talk) 04:54, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
They just become a battleground for nationalists. Look at Template:Chicago_Bulls_roster. Ben Gordon has dual citizenship, but we can only show one flag at a time, so people keep switching his nationality between US and UK. Zagalejo ^^^ 15:20, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
Hey, I need some advices on how to nominate this article for featured list status. For the past days, I have revamped the entire list and add references. However, I don't know if the list is ready and how to begin the FL process.— Chris! c t 22:03, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
The NBA season articles have a section on the season's statistics leaders, such as the one at 1955–56 NBA season. Although generally accurate, they do not reflect the statistics titles as recognized by the NBA for the seasons before 1969-70. Prior to 1969-70, the statistics titles for scoring, rebounding, and assists were given to the person with the highest totals and not the highest average. So, in the link for 1955-56 above, Maurice Stokes is listed as the leader in rebounding average although the rebounding title went to Bob Pettit, who grabbed 70 more rebounds (and played in five more games) than Stokes in 1955-56. In the interests of historical accuracy, I would like to change the tables before 1969-70 to contain the leaders in totals for these statistics. Let me know if there are any objections. — Myasuda ( talk) 01:23, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm planning on generating wikitables for all the active NBA players' statistics. I can put the tables somewhere and we can collaboratively copypaste the code into the articles that should have them. Anybody up for/against it?
But regardless of my plan, can we decide on a standard format for the tables? There's always some variation between the first five featured/good articles I've checked:
Duncan,
Yao,
Abdur-Rahim,
Bosh,
Nash. Any suggestions? —
LOL
T/
C
00:56, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Here is what I have so far. (An NBA.com bug caused Josh Smith's "Team" column to be empty.) I added a couple of perks: the sortable table and the bold season-highs. I removed the OFF, DEF, TO, and PF columns because I don't find them to be common on Wikipedia. I plan to make a legend template similar to {{ NBA roster statistics legend}}, as well as a table heading template to maintain the standard. — LOL T/ C 02:48, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
I've created the templates and generated tables for the Celtics and Bobcats, which can be found at User:LOL/NBA player statistics. Anything before I start shelling them out? If there are any gripes at all, I might be able to resolve them. — LOL T/ C 22:43, 28 June 2008 (UTC)