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what about the Lakers edit in the 1980s? I saw one edit before I thought it was really good and it may work cause it had all the imformation about the organzation and team
1979-1991: Dr. Jerry Buss, Coach Pat Riley, and Showtime 1980s - The Magic Johnson era
1980-1991: "Showtime" dynasty — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Speller ( talk • contribs) 01:27, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
can we put 1979-1991: Dr. Jerry Buss, Coach Pat Riley, and Showtime 1980s - The Magic Johnson era? — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Speller ( talk • contribs) 01:51, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
this is the talk page — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Speller ( talk • contribs) 15:34, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
It makes sense to put 1979-1991: Dr. Jerry Buss, Coach Pat Riley, and Showtime 1980s - The Magic Johnson era because Jerry Buss bought the team in 1979, Magic Johnson was a rookie in 1979, and Pat Riley was the coach of all 1980s except for 1980. Them 4 was was the ones that started "Showtime" and the other players as well. If it wasn't for Jerry Buss and Pat it wouldn't be a "Showtime" so shouldn't they be included in the era 1979-1991? The Speller ( talk) 04:39, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
How should the "1999–2000 Team X season" be listed in the table at team season's page (for example, List of Brooklyn Nets seasons)? MOS:DATERANGE permits listing the "Two-digit ending years" in tables as the space is limited (the "mighty" consistency argument is also mentioned there). However, seeing that 1999 and 2000 are in different millenniums it does not make sense to list it as "1999–00 Team X season". Any ideas on this matter? – Sabbatino ( talk) 15:35, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article 2019 in basketball is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2019 in basketball until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Rikster2 ( talk) 23:21, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
At Template:Golden State Warriors roster, ItChEE40 has changed players' positions based on the play-by-play data at basketball-reference.com. For example, "forward" was added for Klay Thompson, usually thought of as a guard, presumably because b-r.com estimates he's played there 21% thoughout his career A couple of thoughts:
So it's not name Post-Bryant era anymore? 'Recent years' don't make sense, it sounds like it's not complete. Or suggestion 2013-present: Missing the playoffs or Difficult years or Rock bottom sounds more like it -- The Speller ( talk) 04:23, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
Maybe we should put one of those on the article till they make the playoffs The Speller ( talk) 13:28, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
I would rather have Post-Bryant era than Recent years on the article The Speller ( talk) 21:00, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
Can we please get a different title for the 2016-present history article other than 'Recent years'? Anything. The Speller ( talk) 20:57, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
Maybe suggestions? Post-Bryant era
Continued struggles
New front office; Continued struggles The Speller ( talk) 23:41, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
Yes that's good The Speller ( talk) 00:43, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
How about 2016-2018? Because whenever it's time to put 2018-present: The LeBron James era it'll be 2016-2018 soon anyway so shouldn't we might as well put it on here? The Speller ( talk) 22:18, 24 January 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Speller ( talk • contribs) 20:56, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
@Yosemitter it don't matter if he hasn't played a month or a day, as good as he is when LeBron James is on any team it's a LeBron James era for them The Speller ( talk) 22:18, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
Please see Template talk:College for a discussion of what to do when Template:College is used to list the high school that a player went to instead of a college or university, typically because the player did not attend college at all. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 18:06, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
Michael Jordan buffs are invited to discuss whether he averaged a triple-double or not as a high school senior at Talk:Michael_Jordan#Senior_Year_of_High_School_Stats_Are_Incorrect.— Bagumba ( talk) 18:23, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
The article for Charley Parks, who played in the ABA for the Denver Rockets during the 1968–69 season, has no sources. The article was WP:PRODed. I removed the PROD but haven’t had time to go back and research sources for the article, and probably won’t be able to until mid/late next week. I am hopeful that some project contributors might be able to help out with improving the article. If adequate sources can’t be found, I imagine it will be WP:AfDed. Thanks for any help. Rikster2 ( talk) 16:19, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
I've seen most G-League teams have the arrow indication and indentation, but I also see that some foreign teams have it as well. For example, Clínicas Rincón on Alex Abrines page. When is this supposed to be used, and when should it be excluded. I personally believe it should indicate G-League teams that the player has played for while NBA teams and other country teams should remain "normal". RichieConant34 ( talk) 18:35, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
Your input is welcome at the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Biographies_of_living_persons#Children's_names_and_birthdates, which involves some bios related to this project.— Bagumba ( talk) 09:52, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
As far as I can tell, most NBA articles list McDonald's All-American and the defunct Parade All-American in a bio's infobox. Can we formalize this at WP:NBASTYLE, adding to the already listed major national player of the year awards and State Mr. Basketball awards? I dont see much traction for Jordan Brand Classic or Nike Hoop Summit, which also don't get as much press.— Bagumba ( talk) 13:56, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
A user has come and removed colors for all templates at Category:National Basketball Association team navigational boxes citing WP:ACCESSIBILITY issues. In addition, pages at Category:National Basketball Association accomplishments and records by team have also been affected for the very same reason. How will we handle this situation? – Sabbatino ( talk) 23:18, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Bsherr: Please explain your changes to the members of this project. You did all those changes in good faith, but we include the colors for a reason and they are not made up. These changes affect more than just NBA or basketball pages in general. There are also such templates at Category:National Hockey League teams navigational boxes, Category:National Football League team navigational boxes and Category:Major League Baseball team navigational boxes, so I assume you would do that for them too at some point, which would just create a very big joint (or not) discussion for the four projects. – Sabbatino ( talk) 08:25, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
Links should clearly be identifiable as a link to our readers.From Help:Link color:
Refrain from implementing colored links that may impede user ability to distinguish links from regular text, or color links for purely aesthetic reasons.From MOS:NAVBOXCOLOR:
Colors used in templates such as navboxes and infoboxes, and in tables, should not make reading difficult, including for colorblind or otherwise visually impaired readers.And then there's WCAG, the guidelines incorporated by reference into WP:ACCESSIBILITY.
If I understand Bsherr's concerns correctly, the main (only?) problem is that some color links are not distinguishable from regular text. It seems that this would not be a problem for blind and non-visual readers, as they would be using a device that detects links non-visually. For those who are reading directly from the screen, none of them have cues that they are links, whether it be for those who can see color, or those who are partially or fully color blind. All visual readers are currently relying on established conventions of VTE and title bar links existing, or just mouse hovering (non-mobile users) over text or clicking by trial and error. Is that a fair assessment of the current color situation?— Bagumba ( talk) 03:24, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
For the link issue, specifically that there is no visual indication for some of the links in the current design, here are some initial options that come to mind:
The problem every custom color navbox currently has is that the main link in the title has no indication that it is a link. We could go with option 2 and move it, but that results in repeated text in the navbox: 1) the intitial text in the title and 2) the same or similiar text in the link somewhere else. The initial instance would not be linked, similar to what happened with the team name in bio infoboxes. However, one could make the argument that a link for the main title is optional if it's already introduced in the article per MOS:REPEATLINK. Unless it's the case of WP:TEMPLATECREEP, I'd imagine the topic of a navbox was already so important that it is reasonable to assume it's already in the body. That would generally be the case for a team at least. As for the VTE links, they can be disabled at Template:Navbox, so I'm not sure that there is any guideline that they have to exist. Moreover, these seem like features for editors, not readers. It could be reasonable to assume that a Wikipedia editor who actually knows what VTE means, would inherently knows it's a link without any indicators needed.— Bagumba ( talk) 08:34, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
Larry Miller (sports_executive) was president of the Portland Trail Blazers for five years, but has otherwise spent most of his career as an exec with Jordan Brand/Nike. Is that really a sports executive? Secondly, the "(sports executive)" is ambiguous with Larry H. Miller, the longtime Utah Jazz owner. You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Article_titles#Disambiguator_for_Larry_Miller_(sports_executive).— Bagumba ( talk) 05:11, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
Please consider providing comments at WT:BBALL for a discussion on The Basketball Tournament and such info being in basketball player articles. Cheers. DaHuzyBru ( talk) 05:01, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
The category, Category:National Basketball Association accomplishments and records by team, only has accomplishments and records for 18 teams. The other teams have this section directly inside the article for their team (e.g. Indiana Pacers#Franchise records and individual awards). Furthermore, these sections are usually all in different formats, with some pages listing a base set of statistics ( San Antonio Spurs#Franchise leaders) and some listing a plethora of them ( Toronto Raptors accomplishments and records). I think we need an agreed-upon standard for these statistics, and we should decide whether they should exist in a separate page or in the team page. 400spartans ( talk) 05:57, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
Hello. I just found that the previous general managers names were removed from NBA templates. I wasn't part of the original discussion (see here) but I was wondering what should happen to the names of previous general managers. For example: Boston_Celtics#General_managers currently has all of the GMs in history, but other teams like Cleveland Cavaliers don't. Should sections be made on the general managers for the main page of each NBA team? I understand having them removed in their respective main templates, but wonder if the information should be included elsewhere. Thanks! -- MrLinkinPark333 ( talk) 22:06, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
Do y'all think we should add all the playoff appearances for every team? Sports Fan 1997 ( talk) 17:38, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
A new Newsletter directory has been created to replace the old, out-of-date one. If your WikiProject and its taskforces have newsletters (even inactive ones), or if you know of a missing newsletter (including from sister projects like WikiSpecies), please include it in the directory! The template can be a bit tricky, so if you need help, just post the newsletter on the template's talk page and someone will add it for you.
Tyus Jones set the NBA single-season assists:turnover ratio record (6.96, min 200 assists). He also had a streak of 129:18 without a turnover ( http://www.espn.com/nba/recap?gameId=401071887). Was this a record?- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:13, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
Hello people of WPNBA. I've just finished programming a bot that would automate addition/updates of career statistics. I have two questions:
Any feedback is appreciated. Thanks, Dat Guy Talk Contribs 20:42, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
Bsherr ( talk · contribs) is again running around and changing formats of various tables citing Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility#Tables as the justification for its actions when it does not force the editors to use that format. At this point, the affected pages are Brooklyn Nets accomplishments and records (if I remember, editors were against the creation of such pages) and 2018–19 Brooklyn Nets season. – Sabbatino ( talk) 00:33, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
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(the ! mark causes the coloring and the bolding). On a side note, I believe that the HOF tables should be converted to lists instead as some teams' tables (
L.A. Lakers,
Boston Celtics,
Atlanta Hawks, etc.) just look horrible and the list would serve it better. –
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I have a suggestion for how to handle early entry candidates given the new rules around agents. Please weigh in with your thoughts here - Talk:2019 NBA draft#Suggestion. Thanks. Rikster2 ( talk) 22:24, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
So what are we gonna do about the new header? Are we gonna wait until they make the playoffs again? Or are we gonna do it soon? /info/en/?search=History_of_the_Los_Angeles_Lakers Sports Fan 1997 ( talk) 17:46, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
The newly-created List of 40-plus point games by Michael Jordan page has been nominated for deletion. Please state your opinion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of 40-plus point games by Michael Jordan. – Sabbatino ( talk) 11:14, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
May we please reconsider having two sets of rosters? Two means that somebody has to manually sort a list of names once a year at minimum into a team list and a current team list. KISS is a basic principle of maintenance. I have heard the argument that one looks better which amounts to WP:IDONTLIKEIT which is just another argument without end. Thank you. - SusanLesch ( talk) 18:48, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
As I said before though, errors in this case have far more to do with the quantity of editors that maintain WNBA rosters vs. NBA rosters. More editors (and the general media itself) pays attention to NBA transactions than WNBA ones, so it ends up with more up to date roster changes in the NBA (see the T-wolves edit history vs. the Lynx edit history; far more frequent on the NBA one). No one seems to have issues with updating two templates on the NBA rosters (or MLB and NFL also) from what I can tell. Yosemiter ( talk) 22:41, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
@ Frietjes: Can you do the WNBA as a test? The WNBA task force is believed to be inactive. Rikster who replied above is a member of Wikipedia:WikiProject Basketball/Women's basketball. We have at least three participants here happy with the status quo so I don't expect anybody in this WikiProject to lift a hand. - SusanLesch ( talk) 21:15, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
:Proposal
All right, thanks very much. New proposal is below in a separate thread. - SusanLesch ( talk) 18:22, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
The WNBA roster template sorts years wrong. Who shall I ask to have that fixed? In this example, R precedes 2 which precedes 1. - SusanLesch ( talk) 18:50, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
There is an disagreement about the "Most common matchups" section at NBA Finals. It used to be presented as a list until @ Andiharve: came and converted it to a table. I then removed it completely since, in my opinion, it is nothing more than WP:TRIVIA, but the other editor has a different opinion about it and cites List of World Series champions as the justification for such list. What are your thoughts regarding such lists? – Sabbatino ( talk) 20:04, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
I also cite List of Super Bowl Champions as another source. I personally don't see how this is trivial. I think it is interesting for people to know and do not see the harm in having this. The fact that it was there previously means others feel the same way I do. The only difference I made was present it in a more organized table with the years listed to make it clearer to understand. - Andiharve ( talk) 23:31, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
Here's a revised proposal for a WNBA test which I hope is clear. For an example, Template:Minnesota Lynx roster gets sorted by jersey number, and the names and numbers are copied to Template:Minnesota Lynx current roster. The objective is assurance that both versions are in sync.
Should WNBA rosters be automatically put in sync? - SusanLesch ( talk) 22:46, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
I think since Dr. Jerry Buss passed back in 2013 the Lakers had problems ever since. Jim Buss couldn't do it, and the way it looks Jeanie Buss has no idea what she's doing. Instead of Post-Bryant era can we have 2013-present: Management problems and decline? Sports Fan 1997 ( talk) 00:22, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
I've undone Sports Fan 1997's edit, which not only has no consensus established here, but for which there is absolutely no text in that section—cited or not—about "Management problems". A WP:TBAN on Lakers articles is worth considering. Wikipedia:Competence is required.— Bagumba ( talk) 01:11, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
Is it me, or are these type of boxscores for every Finals game too bulky? It seems that someone started it in 2018 NBA Finals, and is perhaps the norm in euro basketball articles.— Bagumba ( talk) 18:59, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
I've compiled some of the problems with this new format:
I've reverted the recent changes until consensus is established for adding the expanded format.— Bagumba ( talk) 16:02, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
The current infobox templates used for each year's finals have to much unnecessary information. I've found what I see as a better template, and I'd like to use it for the 2018 article. One problem I see though is I'm not sure how to indicate that game 1 went to overtime. I'd like to get opinions on this template replacing the currently used one, and any help with the overtime situation would be appreciated.
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Infinite mission ( talk) 18:09, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance.The finals result is a concise summary, and the game-by-game details are best left to the body. However, I also agree the TV, announcers, and refs are not a core part of understanding a given finals, and don't belong in the infobox either. A lot of times, less importany details get dumped in the infobox as a shortcut to writing prose.— Bagumba ( talk) 01:26, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
Which nickname should be listed at Kawhi Leonard's page? Both "The Klaw" and "The Claw" are used in the media and it was recently changed in his page but I reverted it back to "The Klaw" since the source used for the change is from 2016. Any opinions on this would be appreciated. – Sabbatino ( talk) 20:30, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
By a simple extension of the latter, Wikipedia is not a slang and idiom guide. We aren't teaching people how to talk like a hacker or a Cockney chimney-sweep; we're writing an encyclopedia.They don't belong in the lead, but I'm OK if they are somewhere in the body. In a rare example, neither "Black Mamba" or "Vino" clutter Kobe Bryant's lead.) If Claw/Klaw is going to stay in the lead, I'd say show "Claw", as it's a regular English word, and non-fans can more readily guess what it means. If mentioned, "Klaw" is better as an explanatory footnote, which would also be inline with MOS:NICKCRUFT to not list so many nicknames (esp. if it's just a styling difference).— Bagumba ( talk) 04:58, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
Does anyone know how the All-NBL Teams were chosen? I wanted to mirror that new article as closely to All-NBA Team as possible, but I cannot find sources to confirm how the teams were chosen, what point values were assigned, etc. The lead needs beefing up but I have no real good info to put into it without knowing how the All-NBL Teams came about. SportsGuy789 ( talk) 20:20, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
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what about the Lakers edit in the 1980s? I saw one edit before I thought it was really good and it may work cause it had all the imformation about the organzation and team
1979-1991: Dr. Jerry Buss, Coach Pat Riley, and Showtime 1980s - The Magic Johnson era
1980-1991: "Showtime" dynasty — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Speller ( talk • contribs) 01:27, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
can we put 1979-1991: Dr. Jerry Buss, Coach Pat Riley, and Showtime 1980s - The Magic Johnson era? — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Speller ( talk • contribs) 01:51, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
this is the talk page — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Speller ( talk • contribs) 15:34, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
It makes sense to put 1979-1991: Dr. Jerry Buss, Coach Pat Riley, and Showtime 1980s - The Magic Johnson era because Jerry Buss bought the team in 1979, Magic Johnson was a rookie in 1979, and Pat Riley was the coach of all 1980s except for 1980. Them 4 was was the ones that started "Showtime" and the other players as well. If it wasn't for Jerry Buss and Pat it wouldn't be a "Showtime" so shouldn't they be included in the era 1979-1991? The Speller ( talk) 04:39, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
How should the "1999–2000 Team X season" be listed in the table at team season's page (for example, List of Brooklyn Nets seasons)? MOS:DATERANGE permits listing the "Two-digit ending years" in tables as the space is limited (the "mighty" consistency argument is also mentioned there). However, seeing that 1999 and 2000 are in different millenniums it does not make sense to list it as "1999–00 Team X season". Any ideas on this matter? – Sabbatino ( talk) 15:35, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article 2019 in basketball is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2019 in basketball until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Rikster2 ( talk) 23:21, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
At Template:Golden State Warriors roster, ItChEE40 has changed players' positions based on the play-by-play data at basketball-reference.com. For example, "forward" was added for Klay Thompson, usually thought of as a guard, presumably because b-r.com estimates he's played there 21% thoughout his career A couple of thoughts:
So it's not name Post-Bryant era anymore? 'Recent years' don't make sense, it sounds like it's not complete. Or suggestion 2013-present: Missing the playoffs or Difficult years or Rock bottom sounds more like it -- The Speller ( talk) 04:23, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
Maybe we should put one of those on the article till they make the playoffs The Speller ( talk) 13:28, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
I would rather have Post-Bryant era than Recent years on the article The Speller ( talk) 21:00, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
Can we please get a different title for the 2016-present history article other than 'Recent years'? Anything. The Speller ( talk) 20:57, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
Maybe suggestions? Post-Bryant era
Continued struggles
New front office; Continued struggles The Speller ( talk) 23:41, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
Yes that's good The Speller ( talk) 00:43, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
How about 2016-2018? Because whenever it's time to put 2018-present: The LeBron James era it'll be 2016-2018 soon anyway so shouldn't we might as well put it on here? The Speller ( talk) 22:18, 24 January 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Speller ( talk • contribs) 20:56, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
@Yosemitter it don't matter if he hasn't played a month or a day, as good as he is when LeBron James is on any team it's a LeBron James era for them The Speller ( talk) 22:18, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
Please see Template talk:College for a discussion of what to do when Template:College is used to list the high school that a player went to instead of a college or university, typically because the player did not attend college at all. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 18:06, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
Michael Jordan buffs are invited to discuss whether he averaged a triple-double or not as a high school senior at Talk:Michael_Jordan#Senior_Year_of_High_School_Stats_Are_Incorrect.— Bagumba ( talk) 18:23, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
The article for Charley Parks, who played in the ABA for the Denver Rockets during the 1968–69 season, has no sources. The article was WP:PRODed. I removed the PROD but haven’t had time to go back and research sources for the article, and probably won’t be able to until mid/late next week. I am hopeful that some project contributors might be able to help out with improving the article. If adequate sources can’t be found, I imagine it will be WP:AfDed. Thanks for any help. Rikster2 ( talk) 16:19, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
I've seen most G-League teams have the arrow indication and indentation, but I also see that some foreign teams have it as well. For example, Clínicas Rincón on Alex Abrines page. When is this supposed to be used, and when should it be excluded. I personally believe it should indicate G-League teams that the player has played for while NBA teams and other country teams should remain "normal". RichieConant34 ( talk) 18:35, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
Your input is welcome at the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Biographies_of_living_persons#Children's_names_and_birthdates, which involves some bios related to this project.— Bagumba ( talk) 09:52, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
As far as I can tell, most NBA articles list McDonald's All-American and the defunct Parade All-American in a bio's infobox. Can we formalize this at WP:NBASTYLE, adding to the already listed major national player of the year awards and State Mr. Basketball awards? I dont see much traction for Jordan Brand Classic or Nike Hoop Summit, which also don't get as much press.— Bagumba ( talk) 13:56, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
A user has come and removed colors for all templates at Category:National Basketball Association team navigational boxes citing WP:ACCESSIBILITY issues. In addition, pages at Category:National Basketball Association accomplishments and records by team have also been affected for the very same reason. How will we handle this situation? – Sabbatino ( talk) 23:18, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Bsherr: Please explain your changes to the members of this project. You did all those changes in good faith, but we include the colors for a reason and they are not made up. These changes affect more than just NBA or basketball pages in general. There are also such templates at Category:National Hockey League teams navigational boxes, Category:National Football League team navigational boxes and Category:Major League Baseball team navigational boxes, so I assume you would do that for them too at some point, which would just create a very big joint (or not) discussion for the four projects. – Sabbatino ( talk) 08:25, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
Links should clearly be identifiable as a link to our readers.From Help:Link color:
Refrain from implementing colored links that may impede user ability to distinguish links from regular text, or color links for purely aesthetic reasons.From MOS:NAVBOXCOLOR:
Colors used in templates such as navboxes and infoboxes, and in tables, should not make reading difficult, including for colorblind or otherwise visually impaired readers.And then there's WCAG, the guidelines incorporated by reference into WP:ACCESSIBILITY.
If I understand Bsherr's concerns correctly, the main (only?) problem is that some color links are not distinguishable from regular text. It seems that this would not be a problem for blind and non-visual readers, as they would be using a device that detects links non-visually. For those who are reading directly from the screen, none of them have cues that they are links, whether it be for those who can see color, or those who are partially or fully color blind. All visual readers are currently relying on established conventions of VTE and title bar links existing, or just mouse hovering (non-mobile users) over text or clicking by trial and error. Is that a fair assessment of the current color situation?— Bagumba ( talk) 03:24, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
For the link issue, specifically that there is no visual indication for some of the links in the current design, here are some initial options that come to mind:
The problem every custom color navbox currently has is that the main link in the title has no indication that it is a link. We could go with option 2 and move it, but that results in repeated text in the navbox: 1) the intitial text in the title and 2) the same or similiar text in the link somewhere else. The initial instance would not be linked, similar to what happened with the team name in bio infoboxes. However, one could make the argument that a link for the main title is optional if it's already introduced in the article per MOS:REPEATLINK. Unless it's the case of WP:TEMPLATECREEP, I'd imagine the topic of a navbox was already so important that it is reasonable to assume it's already in the body. That would generally be the case for a team at least. As for the VTE links, they can be disabled at Template:Navbox, so I'm not sure that there is any guideline that they have to exist. Moreover, these seem like features for editors, not readers. It could be reasonable to assume that a Wikipedia editor who actually knows what VTE means, would inherently knows it's a link without any indicators needed.— Bagumba ( talk) 08:34, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
Larry Miller (sports_executive) was president of the Portland Trail Blazers for five years, but has otherwise spent most of his career as an exec with Jordan Brand/Nike. Is that really a sports executive? Secondly, the "(sports executive)" is ambiguous with Larry H. Miller, the longtime Utah Jazz owner. You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Article_titles#Disambiguator_for_Larry_Miller_(sports_executive).— Bagumba ( talk) 05:11, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
Please consider providing comments at WT:BBALL for a discussion on The Basketball Tournament and such info being in basketball player articles. Cheers. DaHuzyBru ( talk) 05:01, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
The category, Category:National Basketball Association accomplishments and records by team, only has accomplishments and records for 18 teams. The other teams have this section directly inside the article for their team (e.g. Indiana Pacers#Franchise records and individual awards). Furthermore, these sections are usually all in different formats, with some pages listing a base set of statistics ( San Antonio Spurs#Franchise leaders) and some listing a plethora of them ( Toronto Raptors accomplishments and records). I think we need an agreed-upon standard for these statistics, and we should decide whether they should exist in a separate page or in the team page. 400spartans ( talk) 05:57, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
Hello. I just found that the previous general managers names were removed from NBA templates. I wasn't part of the original discussion (see here) but I was wondering what should happen to the names of previous general managers. For example: Boston_Celtics#General_managers currently has all of the GMs in history, but other teams like Cleveland Cavaliers don't. Should sections be made on the general managers for the main page of each NBA team? I understand having them removed in their respective main templates, but wonder if the information should be included elsewhere. Thanks! -- MrLinkinPark333 ( talk) 22:06, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
Do y'all think we should add all the playoff appearances for every team? Sports Fan 1997 ( talk) 17:38, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
A new Newsletter directory has been created to replace the old, out-of-date one. If your WikiProject and its taskforces have newsletters (even inactive ones), or if you know of a missing newsletter (including from sister projects like WikiSpecies), please include it in the directory! The template can be a bit tricky, so if you need help, just post the newsletter on the template's talk page and someone will add it for you.
Tyus Jones set the NBA single-season assists:turnover ratio record (6.96, min 200 assists). He also had a streak of 129:18 without a turnover ( http://www.espn.com/nba/recap?gameId=401071887). Was this a record?- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:13, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
Hello people of WPNBA. I've just finished programming a bot that would automate addition/updates of career statistics. I have two questions:
Any feedback is appreciated. Thanks, Dat Guy Talk Contribs 20:42, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
Bsherr ( talk · contribs) is again running around and changing formats of various tables citing Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility#Tables as the justification for its actions when it does not force the editors to use that format. At this point, the affected pages are Brooklyn Nets accomplishments and records (if I remember, editors were against the creation of such pages) and 2018–19 Brooklyn Nets season. – Sabbatino ( talk) 00:33, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
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(the ! mark causes the coloring and the bolding). On a side note, I believe that the HOF tables should be converted to lists instead as some teams' tables (
L.A. Lakers,
Boston Celtics,
Atlanta Hawks, etc.) just look horrible and the list would serve it better. –
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I have a suggestion for how to handle early entry candidates given the new rules around agents. Please weigh in with your thoughts here - Talk:2019 NBA draft#Suggestion. Thanks. Rikster2 ( talk) 22:24, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
So what are we gonna do about the new header? Are we gonna wait until they make the playoffs again? Or are we gonna do it soon? /info/en/?search=History_of_the_Los_Angeles_Lakers Sports Fan 1997 ( talk) 17:46, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
The newly-created List of 40-plus point games by Michael Jordan page has been nominated for deletion. Please state your opinion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of 40-plus point games by Michael Jordan. – Sabbatino ( talk) 11:14, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
May we please reconsider having two sets of rosters? Two means that somebody has to manually sort a list of names once a year at minimum into a team list and a current team list. KISS is a basic principle of maintenance. I have heard the argument that one looks better which amounts to WP:IDONTLIKEIT which is just another argument without end. Thank you. - SusanLesch ( talk) 18:48, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
As I said before though, errors in this case have far more to do with the quantity of editors that maintain WNBA rosters vs. NBA rosters. More editors (and the general media itself) pays attention to NBA transactions than WNBA ones, so it ends up with more up to date roster changes in the NBA (see the T-wolves edit history vs. the Lynx edit history; far more frequent on the NBA one). No one seems to have issues with updating two templates on the NBA rosters (or MLB and NFL also) from what I can tell. Yosemiter ( talk) 22:41, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
@ Frietjes: Can you do the WNBA as a test? The WNBA task force is believed to be inactive. Rikster who replied above is a member of Wikipedia:WikiProject Basketball/Women's basketball. We have at least three participants here happy with the status quo so I don't expect anybody in this WikiProject to lift a hand. - SusanLesch ( talk) 21:15, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
:Proposal
All right, thanks very much. New proposal is below in a separate thread. - SusanLesch ( talk) 18:22, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
The WNBA roster template sorts years wrong. Who shall I ask to have that fixed? In this example, R precedes 2 which precedes 1. - SusanLesch ( talk) 18:50, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
There is an disagreement about the "Most common matchups" section at NBA Finals. It used to be presented as a list until @ Andiharve: came and converted it to a table. I then removed it completely since, in my opinion, it is nothing more than WP:TRIVIA, but the other editor has a different opinion about it and cites List of World Series champions as the justification for such list. What are your thoughts regarding such lists? – Sabbatino ( talk) 20:04, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
I also cite List of Super Bowl Champions as another source. I personally don't see how this is trivial. I think it is interesting for people to know and do not see the harm in having this. The fact that it was there previously means others feel the same way I do. The only difference I made was present it in a more organized table with the years listed to make it clearer to understand. - Andiharve ( talk) 23:31, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
Here's a revised proposal for a WNBA test which I hope is clear. For an example, Template:Minnesota Lynx roster gets sorted by jersey number, and the names and numbers are copied to Template:Minnesota Lynx current roster. The objective is assurance that both versions are in sync.
Should WNBA rosters be automatically put in sync? - SusanLesch ( talk) 22:46, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
I think since Dr. Jerry Buss passed back in 2013 the Lakers had problems ever since. Jim Buss couldn't do it, and the way it looks Jeanie Buss has no idea what she's doing. Instead of Post-Bryant era can we have 2013-present: Management problems and decline? Sports Fan 1997 ( talk) 00:22, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
I've undone Sports Fan 1997's edit, which not only has no consensus established here, but for which there is absolutely no text in that section—cited or not—about "Management problems". A WP:TBAN on Lakers articles is worth considering. Wikipedia:Competence is required.— Bagumba ( talk) 01:11, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
Is it me, or are these type of boxscores for every Finals game too bulky? It seems that someone started it in 2018 NBA Finals, and is perhaps the norm in euro basketball articles.— Bagumba ( talk) 18:59, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
I've compiled some of the problems with this new format:
I've reverted the recent changes until consensus is established for adding the expanded format.— Bagumba ( talk) 16:02, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
The current infobox templates used for each year's finals have to much unnecessary information. I've found what I see as a better template, and I'd like to use it for the 2018 article. One problem I see though is I'm not sure how to indicate that game 1 went to overtime. I'd like to get opinions on this template replacing the currently used one, and any help with the overtime situation would be appreciated.
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Infinite mission ( talk) 18:09, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance.The finals result is a concise summary, and the game-by-game details are best left to the body. However, I also agree the TV, announcers, and refs are not a core part of understanding a given finals, and don't belong in the infobox either. A lot of times, less importany details get dumped in the infobox as a shortcut to writing prose.— Bagumba ( talk) 01:26, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
Which nickname should be listed at Kawhi Leonard's page? Both "The Klaw" and "The Claw" are used in the media and it was recently changed in his page but I reverted it back to "The Klaw" since the source used for the change is from 2016. Any opinions on this would be appreciated. – Sabbatino ( talk) 20:30, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
By a simple extension of the latter, Wikipedia is not a slang and idiom guide. We aren't teaching people how to talk like a hacker or a Cockney chimney-sweep; we're writing an encyclopedia.They don't belong in the lead, but I'm OK if they are somewhere in the body. In a rare example, neither "Black Mamba" or "Vino" clutter Kobe Bryant's lead.) If Claw/Klaw is going to stay in the lead, I'd say show "Claw", as it's a regular English word, and non-fans can more readily guess what it means. If mentioned, "Klaw" is better as an explanatory footnote, which would also be inline with MOS:NICKCRUFT to not list so many nicknames (esp. if it's just a styling difference).— Bagumba ( talk) 04:58, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
Does anyone know how the All-NBL Teams were chosen? I wanted to mirror that new article as closely to All-NBA Team as possible, but I cannot find sources to confirm how the teams were chosen, what point values were assigned, etc. The lead needs beefing up but I have no real good info to put into it without knowing how the All-NBL Teams came about. SportsGuy789 ( talk) 20:20, 15 June 2019 (UTC)