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Shaquille O'Neal was named the GM of the Kings' NBA 2K League team. I removed this from the infobox, and moved mention from the opening paragraph to later in the lead. I know little about gaming. Is this the way to go? Does it belong in the lead at all?— Bagumba ( talk) 02:15, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
What is everyone's opinion on the most recent changes regarding the teams' histories in the infoboxes? For example, this. Do we really need to list all the leagues that the teams have played in? The biggest problem with this format is that it removes the pre-1945 history of the Sacramento Kings and people could easily get confused as the founding date is listed as 1923, but the history is listed only since 1945. – Sabbatino ( talk) 08:52, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
These are all good points being made. However, I would like to clarify that I will support whatever the consensus is decided among all editors involved here as a result of this discussion. Charlesaaronthompson ( talk) 21:19, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
A bit of WP:TLDR here. Where are we on this? At a high level, if we are going to list team history at all, the key info is team names, years, and league. Any history that is reliable sourced and WP:DUE weight should be included.— Bagumba ( talk) 04:37, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
Sabbatino, Do not move 2018 NBA playoffs again, I was starting the process of moving the earliest playoff articles (1950 NBA Playoffs) to lowercase articles, as playoffs is a common term and shouldn't be uppercase. – Piranha 249 18:14, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
Is there reliable criteria for calling a player the consensus college player of the year? A prior discussion was at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Basketball_Association/Archive_20#Consolidating_College_POY, where there wasn't any conclusion. While the NCAA is quite clear of the selectors for consensus All-Americans, it doesn't mention anything for player of the year. (see pp. 16–18)
There has been recent edits at multiple articles to add "Consensus" to the infobox like at Michael Jordan. Also, it changed to the capitalized form of "National College Player of the Year" from the previous "National college player of the year". It is lower case at WP:NBASTYLE. Which is preferred?— Bagumba ( talk) 13:08, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
Consensus is winning four of the national player of the awards that are recognized by the NCAA." [1] However, without more sources, I wonder if that is reliable?— Bagumba ( talk) 13:31, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
A consensus national player of the year." [2]
For South Carolina senior A'ja Wilson, her collegiate career ends as the consensus National Player of the Year, having collected the Wooden Award, Citizen Naismith Women's Player of the Year, Wade Trophy, espnW National Player of the Year, USA Today Sports National Player of the Year, Basketball Times National Player of the Year, Associated Press National Player of the Year, and USBWA Ann Meyers Drysdale National Player of the Year." [3]
It's former Kansas point guard Frank Mason III, college basketball's consensus national player of the year." [4]
Not only were the Jayhawks waving farewell to three starters, including consensus National Player of the Year Mason and No. 4 NBA draft pick Josh Jackson, from a team that claimed a No. 1 seed in the NCAA tournament and won 31 games, but" [5]
This season, she is the consensus national player of the year, and is expected to be the first player selected in the W.N.B.A. draft next month." [6]
South Carolina's A'ja Wilson was named the John R. Wooden Award winner Friday night, making her the consensus national player of the year in women's college basketball." [7]. Among these sources, I think we may take regional media outlets with a grain of salt since they may attempt to over-glorify their players. However since national media articles such as Sports Illustrated, ESPN, USA Today, and The New York Times have all been using similar wording now and then (for a player who sweeps all major "National college player of the year" awards), I think using the phrase "Consensus national player of the year" would not cause too much confusion even if it is not an official NCAA concept. As for stylistic changes such as "Consensus national player of the year" and "Consensus National Player of the Year," will offer a bit more suggestions later. J1-N9 t@lk 01:17, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
Assume that we would preserve the word "consensus" (otherwise never mind). There are a couple of choices when it comes to which characters to capitalize.
Option 3 is simply appending the word "Consensus" to the original expression's front. However I feel that capitalizing leading characters of two words is kind of weird. I think both option 1 and option 2 will be alright, depending whether we consider "national college player of the year" as a title. The reason to choose option 1: It is lower case at WP:NBASTYLE; "national college player of the year" is not a formal title (as formal titles will be "Naismith Player of the Year" etc.); The phrase would roughly cover awards listed in List of U.S. men's college basketball national player of the year awards. The reason to choose option 2: It would be more consistent with other "Player of the Year" awards, especially for conference ones, such as "SEC Player of the Year," "Pac-12 Player of the Year" etc. which are formal names of the awards. Whichever style to choose (or whether we choose to use the expression "Consensus national college player of the year" at all) for the phrase depends on general agreement. I hope people can provide more opinions and preferences. J1-N9 t@lk 02:14, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
A proposal has been made to delete Portal:National Basketball Association (and all other portals) at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#RfC: Ending the system of portals. What are your views on the NBA portal? Did you even know it exists? It doesn't appear to be maintained or updated on any regular basis. (The last substantive updates of the portal were made in 2011 and 2012.) Is it useful? Even if the broader RfC fails, should the NBA portal be deleted? Alternatively, would anyone want to volunteer to update and maintain it? Cbl62 ( talk) 16:33, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
A suggestion has been made to move NBA playoffs. See the talk page for more details. – Piranha 249 17:11, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
Andrew Bogut is apparently signing with Sydney. [8] While it's not the NBA, I was wondering if this project would treat this as an official-enough announcement when the team tweeted "BREAKING: Press Release with details-10am Monday EST Australia", especially in light of similar situation happening in the NFL this past season with Josh McDaniels and Indianapolis, when the Colts posted that a press conference was upcoming, but the deal fell through and he was not signed. Would we wait for the "official announcement" or not, or is any post from the team good enough?— Bagumba ( talk) 11:22, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
Note: I've also left notices at Talk:Andrew Bogut, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Basketball, and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sports/Handling sports transactions.— Bagumba ( talk) 11:46, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
I am too close to this article to determine if we consider this content regarding a speeding ticket to be encyclopedic. Could a third party commwent.- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:09, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
Has there ever been a discussion about the teams' valuations in the lede? If I remember correctly there was a policy or guideline about this, but I cannot find it and cannot remember where it was mentioned. What is everyone else's opinion on this matter? In addition, some teams list it while some do not, and I cannot really see the reason for keeping them since Forbes' valuations change yearly and they are irrelevant to the reader and the teams itself. – Sabbatino ( talk) 14:28, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
What do people think of articles using something like 16–1, which shows the 16–1 record along with a tooltip that it means 16 wins and 1 loss? I only noticed it now at 2016–17 Golden State Warriors season. While I can see a non-sports person not knowing what it means, it seems that having hover text every time any record is mentioned in an article is overkill (and seeing those squiggly underlines everywhere somehow irks me). Any thoughts?— Bagumba ( talk) 05:04, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
A user added this image to Al Horford a day or so ago. It is undoubtedly a very poor quality image. I reverted the change citing that it was not an improvement. The user has then reverted my revert with no explanation. I then revert again once again claiming that it is a poor quality image and to not revert out of the blue without a counter-argument or reasoning. The user has then reverted my revert again with no explanation – classic stubborn behaviour by users who do not care for edit summaries. An experienced editor such as myself knows to not revert again as this is counter productive and blah blah blah 3RR. Does anyone else agree with my rationale and feel they would like to back me up? The Hawks image, while a few years old now, is the best quality frontal image of Horford we have. Thanks in advance. DaHuzyBru ( talk) 13:55, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
Does anyone else think that "Key dates" sections should not include intricate, unsourced and editorial additions as can be seen at 2017–18 Phoenix Suns season#Key dates? This is not the only problem as the main editor is doing the same in other basketball-related pages. – Sabbatino ( talk) 14:01, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
I am proposing to add Trainwreck (film) and The Wall (game show) to his template. I believe this can be done. Robert4565 ( talk) 21:05, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
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Thank you. — The Transhumanist 07:49, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
There's a couple of AfDs on recently created rivalry articles at:
— Bagumba ( talk) 11:57, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
Could someone help with the situation at New York Knicks page? A user keeps reinstating factually incorrect information and is edit warring. Warnings do not help and the user is not willing to discuss it. – Sabbatino ( talk) 16:13, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
In discussions of proposals to add, modify or remove material in articles, a lack of consensus commonly results in retaining the version of the article as it was prior to the proposal or bold edit.— Bagumba ( talk) 12:58, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
Baron Davis, who's now 39, last played in the D-League in 2015-16. An IP has changed him from "former player" twice without explanation. Is it reasonable to think he's still looking to play professionaly? He's been listed as "former" as far back as January 2018.— Bagumba ( talk) 15:27, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
Hello - I was doing some maintenance on team season pages and noticed that for active franchise “seasons” templates, the header displays all of the previous franchise names (example, the Sacramento Kings reads “Rochester / Cincinnati Royals–Kansas City-Omaha / Kansas City / Sacramento Kings seasons”). This is different than how the top-level franchise templates and the historical coach templates, both of which show only modern franchise name. I’d like to propose we change the seasons templates to match the others and take out the historical names for consistency. We did make a specific decision to remove historical names from the coach navboxes back in 2013 ( see here). It seems like the purpose of the template isn’t to reflect all the names, but provide a navigation aids between seasons of a given franchise. The Kings template currently has a format that could preserve the historical names in the body of the template if that is important (but this also shows that there is inconsistency with how these templates are structured as not all the templates are done this way).
Can we get a vote on my proposal to format the seasons templates in the same manner as the coach and main franchise templates for active teams? Rikster2 ( talk) 12:47, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
I have noticed that the Seattle SuperSonics all-time roster and the Oklahoma City Thunder all-time roster pages overlap (despite the format differences). Yes, I know all about the transition, history sharing, and the controversy surrounding this. But should the all-time roster's overlap as such, or should the OKC page have a link to Seattle, and just list players who played for the Thunder since 2008. (Full disclosure, I am from Oklahoma). UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 15:43, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
I edit NFL and college basketball pages mainly so I'm not too familiar with NBA page policies. It was recently announced that Paul Pierce will be inducted into Kansas Sports Hall of Fame (not for the University of Kansas, the state of Kansas as a whole). Is this notable enough for inclusion in the highlights section of the infobox?? I'm not really sure either way.--Rockchalk 7 17 05:33, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
I think it might be worthwhile to add a “Legacy” (or similarly named) section for players where you could cover things like retired numbers, Halls of Fame, being named on prominent “best of” lists, having buildings named after them, all-time records, etc. you could put oddball stuff like Jerry West being the figure for the NBA logo or the dunk being outlawed for awhile because of Kareem. All of this stuff is somewhat “outside” the playing careers and is useful to put in one place - where you can talk about how a player/coach fits into the history of the game. There is a version of this at players like Michael Jordan and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, but players like Pierce definitely have enough to create a similar section. Rikster2 ( talk) 11:13, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
Do we need to list the division in the "Division titles" parameter if the team played in more than one during its existence? Some user added that to the San Antonio Spurs]' infobox and I reverted that addition, but it was then added again, which I edited to make it factually correct. I know we do that for "Conference titles" parameter, but is doing the same for "Division titles" parameter too much? What is your opinion – keep or remove? – Sabbatino ( talk) 04:37, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
The NBA have been giving out the "NBA Hustle Award" since the 2016–17 season. As of now two people received it – Patrick Beverley in 2016–17 and Amir Johnson in 2017–18. I thought about creating a page for that, but I have trouble finding sources related to the subject. The only website about the award and its concept is the NBA itself ( this and this). All other websites just mention the award without going into any details. Any help? – Sabbatino ( talk) 07:47, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
Hello, I was making edits under the Kareem Abdul-Jabbar page in order to add the fact that he is the NBA's all-time leader in points scored in a career. In order to make this change, I was referencing the format of the Wilt Chamberlain page where NBA records are listed near the bottom of the infobox. However several users have said that it should not be there. My question is can we come to a consensus as where to list NBA records since it doesn't make sense that we can list records at the bottom of one page but not for the others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drdrepepper ( talk • contribs) 16:59, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
Rising stars challenge is accomplishment to any nba players in their first or second year in NBA. Sameem123 ( talk) 06:42, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
Rising stars challenge is accomplishment to any nba players in their first or second year in NBA. You’re not gonna convince me that not necessary to add infobox. Sameem123 ( talk) 17:07, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
There is consensus to add it info box to any nba players who made in their first or second year in nba just like all stars appearances like LeBron, Jordan, Kobe, KD. Sameem123 ( talk) 17:10, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
I've started a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Basketball#Names in roster templates regarding the reason why we present basketball players' names in the form "[lastname], [firstname]" in our roster templates. I propose that we change to use the format "[firstname] [lastname]" and add a sort key to allow proper sorting. If you have an opinion on this, please contribute to the discussion at WT:BASKET. – Pee Jay 19:20, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
Should the listing of a player's college stats be in the bio's "Career statistics" section (e.g. Joel Embiid), or in a subsection of "College career" (e.g. Karl-Anthony Towns)?
Since it seemed straight forward to me, I started changing some players, like recent ones from NBA All-Rookie Team and Rising Stars Challenge, combining the college and pro stats into "Career statistics". I haven't seen much objection, and one of the few reverts was undone by DaHuzyBru, supporting my change. I have also seen Kenwistb making similar change to combine the stats at Zach LaVine, among others. However, Underbelly 50 changed Karl-Anthony Towns back to put college stats under "College career", but has not commented on their talk page at User_talk:Underbelly_50#College_stats.
To get explicit feedback before continuing further, are people OK with the new placement of college stats?— Bagumba ( talk) 10:56, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
For a player like Joel Embiid, who was drafted and signed but didn't play his first two seasons, what should the infobox show as his start year? 2014 or 2016? The last discussion on this topic seems to have been at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Basketball_Association/Archive_27#Tenures_of_players_who_miss_an_entire_season. There, it seems like with Blake Griffin we list his career start as his draft year and not the year he played his first game. Similarly for Steve Nash, he's listed as retiring in 2015 even though he did not play in 2014–15, when he was still under contract with the Lakers.— Bagumba ( talk) 17:58, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
Summary So based on this discussion, and looking at current state of Joel Embiid (what triggered this thread) as well as Blake Griffin and Steve Nash, it seems the current consensus for a player's start year is the starting contract year of the first team they played for. Similarly, the end year is the ending contract year of the last team they played for. The same applies for team tenures, except we don't list teams for which a player never played a game.— Bagumba ( talk) 12:09, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
There's been slow edit war at LeBron James over what position to list him as in the infobox. He's listed by the Lakers as "Forward-Guard" [10]. Basketball-reference.com lists him as "Small Forward and Shooting Guard and Power Forward". How do editors generally decide which position to list? The last discussion seems to have been back in March, but didn't reach anything conclusive. Rikster2 proposed listing what NBA.com has, while using basketball-reference.com for specific positions (e.g. NBA.com lists "Guard", then look to b-r.com if they are a PG or SG). Then there are exceptions, like where multiple articles talk of Kevon Looney as a center (including his coach Kerr), but NBA.com only lists him as F, but basketball-reference.com has him as PF-C.— Bagumba ( talk) 04:13, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
Love There's also been edits at Kevin Love removing C, [17] although NBA.com lists him as C-F.— Bagumba ( talk) 01:51, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
Why not use what's stated in the current league or team official website (team website gets first dibs) for active players, then use B-R's classification for inactive players? Howard the Duck ( talk) 00:16, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
Nowitzki Then there is Dirk Nowitzki, who is listed as PF on Wikipedia, but has been listed as F–C on NBA.com since 2017–18.— Bagumba ( talk) 04:01, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
Greek Freak And there are also players like Giannis Antetokounmpo who "lose" a position. NBA.com listed him as a as a F–G in 2016, but is now only a F. Do we just want to list their current position, or keep historical ones?— Bagumba ( talk) 10:47, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
Let's get a clear consensus that we can document at WP:NBAPOSITION for what to list in the infobox for an active player's position. This is for general cases. As discussed above, there might be consensus to WP:IAR in rare cases, like LeBron James. I see the following as options:
Feel free to suggest others.— Bagumba ( talk) 12:26, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
There's been a user(s) with IPs from Athens, Greece, that has been changing roster templates to group by position instead of sorting alphabetically by last name. [18] [19]. I gave the most recent one a note at User talk:141.237.249.167 to discuss the mass changes at WT:NBA, which they should have seen based on their edit history.
On another note, why are roster templates sorted by last name, while navboxes like Template:Phoenix Suns current roster are sorted by jersey number?— Bagumba ( talk) 15:26, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
I don’t know why there are different conventions: Are you referring to NBA rosters vs navboxes, or why the Olympic rosters are different? Just thinking that NBA rosters and navboxes should be sorted the same, whatever order is decided.— Bagumba ( talk) 17:50, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
There is a discussion at Talk:Luka_Dončić#Listed_Height on what height to list in his infobox.— Bagumba ( talk) 09:58, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
Are there reliable sources for these anymore? Template:Golden State Warriors roster lists that they have five. I havne't seen captains listed on NBA.com roster pages for a few years now.— Bagumba ( talk) 09:26, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
I see that Sabbatino has remove them from many (all?) of the templates. What to do with "C" in the roster key that shows up from {{ NBA roster footer}}? If we delete it, it would discourage people from adding it to new templates, but what about older templates where the information might be valid? Do we want to remove it entirely? Or write some code to make a switch whether to make "C" visible?— Bagumba ( talk) 11:48, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
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13:14, 27 July 2018 (UTC)Please add it to nba player in their first or second year in NBA. Sameem123 ( talk) 10:27, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
Hey all, I noticed Template:NBA game is still frequently in use, however, as noted here and here in 2015, this template no longer actually functions. It just links to the main NBA League Pass page (such as W 117–100 for this Oct 19, 2017 CHI at TOR game) or to an error message ( W 121–113 like this one). It seems there was no direct previous consensus, but it was agreed that it either needed to be directed to another sports reference database or discontinued use with just a single link as reference for all games. As it stands now, it is useless and very broken. It would be easier to just enter the score as W 117–100 instead of {{NBA game|date=20171019|id=CHITOR|pf=117|pa=100}} and would omit the directionless link. Any objections? Yosemiter ( talk) 18:29, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
I've been working on some tables recently in an effort to clean up the tables seen in List of NBA champions (both champions and appearence tables were slated for such a refresh), and my solution is seen in my sandbox. I tried to implement the changes before, but I was met with backlash over doing so. So I want the users at WikiProject NBA to decide for themselves.
I tried to utilize the format used in List of Super Bowl champions, List of World Series champions, and List of Stanley Cup champions, because tables like these should be as uniform as possible. But if you don't like it, I understood and won't revisit the topic again. – Piranha 249 19:19, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
There is a proposal to change the sorting of the roster naxboxes at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Basketball#Roster_templates.— Bagumba ( talk) 03:55, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
Heads up that since at least last year, there has been an IP vandal like this one from service provider Fibernetics located around Toronto, Ontario, that regularly changes players' positions, usually on roster templates and sometimes in bios. Unfortunately, the IP changes often, and a range block is not always possible. Alternatively, I've been semi-protecting frequently attacked pages. Post here if you see anyone like this. And don't bother writing on their talk page if they match the IP description in the hopes that WP:DENY can help. Thanks.— Bagumba ( talk) 00:24, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
Back again Rikster2 ( talk) 13:42, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
I think we should expand our category system; I already started by spliting up the Conference standings category into Eastern and Western subcategories, alongside adding a Conference Finals category, so that everything will become more organized. What other Categories should be created? – Piranha 249 21:14, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
There is a related RFC regarding the XXXX-XX year format of seasons at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Year_range_for_two_consecutive_years.— Bagumba ( talk) 06:01, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
An editor has made a bunch of position and height/weight changes as seen in their contributions. From what I can tell, they made them without being consistent with NBA.com, and haven't explained why. I've reverted a few and blocked the editor. Those interested can look the rest if it didn't already light up your watchlist. Thanks.— Bagumba ( talk) 08:24, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
An offshoot of us using basketball-reference.com for player position is that Dwight Howard gets updated with PF because b-r listed him there in his first two years. Do we need to tweak WP:NBAPOSITION, or leave it to WP:COMMONSENSE?— Bagumba ( talk) 09:11, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
It has been 3.5 years since we discussed whether Anthony Davis (basketball) is the primary Anthony Davis. Join the discussion at Talk:Anthony_Davis_(basketball)#Requested_move_14_September_2018.-- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:52, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
It’s award for nba players in their first and second year in NBA. Please add this award in nba players. Sameem123 ( talk) 23:40, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
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Double (basketball), an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. — Bagumba ( talk) 13:31, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
Shaquille O'Neal was named the GM of the Kings' NBA 2K League team. I removed this from the infobox, and moved mention from the opening paragraph to later in the lead. I know little about gaming. Is this the way to go? Does it belong in the lead at all?— Bagumba ( talk) 02:15, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
What is everyone's opinion on the most recent changes regarding the teams' histories in the infoboxes? For example, this. Do we really need to list all the leagues that the teams have played in? The biggest problem with this format is that it removes the pre-1945 history of the Sacramento Kings and people could easily get confused as the founding date is listed as 1923, but the history is listed only since 1945. – Sabbatino ( talk) 08:52, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
These are all good points being made. However, I would like to clarify that I will support whatever the consensus is decided among all editors involved here as a result of this discussion. Charlesaaronthompson ( talk) 21:19, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
A bit of WP:TLDR here. Where are we on this? At a high level, if we are going to list team history at all, the key info is team names, years, and league. Any history that is reliable sourced and WP:DUE weight should be included.— Bagumba ( talk) 04:37, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
Sabbatino, Do not move 2018 NBA playoffs again, I was starting the process of moving the earliest playoff articles (1950 NBA Playoffs) to lowercase articles, as playoffs is a common term and shouldn't be uppercase. – Piranha 249 18:14, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
Is there reliable criteria for calling a player the consensus college player of the year? A prior discussion was at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Basketball_Association/Archive_20#Consolidating_College_POY, where there wasn't any conclusion. While the NCAA is quite clear of the selectors for consensus All-Americans, it doesn't mention anything for player of the year. (see pp. 16–18)
There has been recent edits at multiple articles to add "Consensus" to the infobox like at Michael Jordan. Also, it changed to the capitalized form of "National College Player of the Year" from the previous "National college player of the year". It is lower case at WP:NBASTYLE. Which is preferred?— Bagumba ( talk) 13:08, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
Consensus is winning four of the national player of the awards that are recognized by the NCAA." [1] However, without more sources, I wonder if that is reliable?— Bagumba ( talk) 13:31, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
A consensus national player of the year." [2]
For South Carolina senior A'ja Wilson, her collegiate career ends as the consensus National Player of the Year, having collected the Wooden Award, Citizen Naismith Women's Player of the Year, Wade Trophy, espnW National Player of the Year, USA Today Sports National Player of the Year, Basketball Times National Player of the Year, Associated Press National Player of the Year, and USBWA Ann Meyers Drysdale National Player of the Year." [3]
It's former Kansas point guard Frank Mason III, college basketball's consensus national player of the year." [4]
Not only were the Jayhawks waving farewell to three starters, including consensus National Player of the Year Mason and No. 4 NBA draft pick Josh Jackson, from a team that claimed a No. 1 seed in the NCAA tournament and won 31 games, but" [5]
This season, she is the consensus national player of the year, and is expected to be the first player selected in the W.N.B.A. draft next month." [6]
South Carolina's A'ja Wilson was named the John R. Wooden Award winner Friday night, making her the consensus national player of the year in women's college basketball." [7]. Among these sources, I think we may take regional media outlets with a grain of salt since they may attempt to over-glorify their players. However since national media articles such as Sports Illustrated, ESPN, USA Today, and The New York Times have all been using similar wording now and then (for a player who sweeps all major "National college player of the year" awards), I think using the phrase "Consensus national player of the year" would not cause too much confusion even if it is not an official NCAA concept. As for stylistic changes such as "Consensus national player of the year" and "Consensus National Player of the Year," will offer a bit more suggestions later. J1-N9 t@lk 01:17, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
Assume that we would preserve the word "consensus" (otherwise never mind). There are a couple of choices when it comes to which characters to capitalize.
Option 3 is simply appending the word "Consensus" to the original expression's front. However I feel that capitalizing leading characters of two words is kind of weird. I think both option 1 and option 2 will be alright, depending whether we consider "national college player of the year" as a title. The reason to choose option 1: It is lower case at WP:NBASTYLE; "national college player of the year" is not a formal title (as formal titles will be "Naismith Player of the Year" etc.); The phrase would roughly cover awards listed in List of U.S. men's college basketball national player of the year awards. The reason to choose option 2: It would be more consistent with other "Player of the Year" awards, especially for conference ones, such as "SEC Player of the Year," "Pac-12 Player of the Year" etc. which are formal names of the awards. Whichever style to choose (or whether we choose to use the expression "Consensus national college player of the year" at all) for the phrase depends on general agreement. I hope people can provide more opinions and preferences. J1-N9 t@lk 02:14, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
A proposal has been made to delete Portal:National Basketball Association (and all other portals) at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#RfC: Ending the system of portals. What are your views on the NBA portal? Did you even know it exists? It doesn't appear to be maintained or updated on any regular basis. (The last substantive updates of the portal were made in 2011 and 2012.) Is it useful? Even if the broader RfC fails, should the NBA portal be deleted? Alternatively, would anyone want to volunteer to update and maintain it? Cbl62 ( talk) 16:33, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
A suggestion has been made to move NBA playoffs. See the talk page for more details. – Piranha 249 17:11, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
Andrew Bogut is apparently signing with Sydney. [8] While it's not the NBA, I was wondering if this project would treat this as an official-enough announcement when the team tweeted "BREAKING: Press Release with details-10am Monday EST Australia", especially in light of similar situation happening in the NFL this past season with Josh McDaniels and Indianapolis, when the Colts posted that a press conference was upcoming, but the deal fell through and he was not signed. Would we wait for the "official announcement" or not, or is any post from the team good enough?— Bagumba ( talk) 11:22, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
Note: I've also left notices at Talk:Andrew Bogut, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Basketball, and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sports/Handling sports transactions.— Bagumba ( talk) 11:46, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
I am too close to this article to determine if we consider this content regarding a speeding ticket to be encyclopedic. Could a third party commwent.- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:09, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
Has there ever been a discussion about the teams' valuations in the lede? If I remember correctly there was a policy or guideline about this, but I cannot find it and cannot remember where it was mentioned. What is everyone else's opinion on this matter? In addition, some teams list it while some do not, and I cannot really see the reason for keeping them since Forbes' valuations change yearly and they are irrelevant to the reader and the teams itself. – Sabbatino ( talk) 14:28, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
What do people think of articles using something like 16–1, which shows the 16–1 record along with a tooltip that it means 16 wins and 1 loss? I only noticed it now at 2016–17 Golden State Warriors season. While I can see a non-sports person not knowing what it means, it seems that having hover text every time any record is mentioned in an article is overkill (and seeing those squiggly underlines everywhere somehow irks me). Any thoughts?— Bagumba ( talk) 05:04, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
A user added this image to Al Horford a day or so ago. It is undoubtedly a very poor quality image. I reverted the change citing that it was not an improvement. The user has then reverted my revert with no explanation. I then revert again once again claiming that it is a poor quality image and to not revert out of the blue without a counter-argument or reasoning. The user has then reverted my revert again with no explanation – classic stubborn behaviour by users who do not care for edit summaries. An experienced editor such as myself knows to not revert again as this is counter productive and blah blah blah 3RR. Does anyone else agree with my rationale and feel they would like to back me up? The Hawks image, while a few years old now, is the best quality frontal image of Horford we have. Thanks in advance. DaHuzyBru ( talk) 13:55, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
Does anyone else think that "Key dates" sections should not include intricate, unsourced and editorial additions as can be seen at 2017–18 Phoenix Suns season#Key dates? This is not the only problem as the main editor is doing the same in other basketball-related pages. – Sabbatino ( talk) 14:01, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
I am proposing to add Trainwreck (film) and The Wall (game show) to his template. I believe this can be done. Robert4565 ( talk) 21:05, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
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Thank you. — The Transhumanist 07:49, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
There's a couple of AfDs on recently created rivalry articles at:
— Bagumba ( talk) 11:57, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
Could someone help with the situation at New York Knicks page? A user keeps reinstating factually incorrect information and is edit warring. Warnings do not help and the user is not willing to discuss it. – Sabbatino ( talk) 16:13, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
In discussions of proposals to add, modify or remove material in articles, a lack of consensus commonly results in retaining the version of the article as it was prior to the proposal or bold edit.— Bagumba ( talk) 12:58, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
Baron Davis, who's now 39, last played in the D-League in 2015-16. An IP has changed him from "former player" twice without explanation. Is it reasonable to think he's still looking to play professionaly? He's been listed as "former" as far back as January 2018.— Bagumba ( talk) 15:27, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
Hello - I was doing some maintenance on team season pages and noticed that for active franchise “seasons” templates, the header displays all of the previous franchise names (example, the Sacramento Kings reads “Rochester / Cincinnati Royals–Kansas City-Omaha / Kansas City / Sacramento Kings seasons”). This is different than how the top-level franchise templates and the historical coach templates, both of which show only modern franchise name. I’d like to propose we change the seasons templates to match the others and take out the historical names for consistency. We did make a specific decision to remove historical names from the coach navboxes back in 2013 ( see here). It seems like the purpose of the template isn’t to reflect all the names, but provide a navigation aids between seasons of a given franchise. The Kings template currently has a format that could preserve the historical names in the body of the template if that is important (but this also shows that there is inconsistency with how these templates are structured as not all the templates are done this way).
Can we get a vote on my proposal to format the seasons templates in the same manner as the coach and main franchise templates for active teams? Rikster2 ( talk) 12:47, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
I have noticed that the Seattle SuperSonics all-time roster and the Oklahoma City Thunder all-time roster pages overlap (despite the format differences). Yes, I know all about the transition, history sharing, and the controversy surrounding this. But should the all-time roster's overlap as such, or should the OKC page have a link to Seattle, and just list players who played for the Thunder since 2008. (Full disclosure, I am from Oklahoma). UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 15:43, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
I edit NFL and college basketball pages mainly so I'm not too familiar with NBA page policies. It was recently announced that Paul Pierce will be inducted into Kansas Sports Hall of Fame (not for the University of Kansas, the state of Kansas as a whole). Is this notable enough for inclusion in the highlights section of the infobox?? I'm not really sure either way.--Rockchalk 7 17 05:33, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
I think it might be worthwhile to add a “Legacy” (or similarly named) section for players where you could cover things like retired numbers, Halls of Fame, being named on prominent “best of” lists, having buildings named after them, all-time records, etc. you could put oddball stuff like Jerry West being the figure for the NBA logo or the dunk being outlawed for awhile because of Kareem. All of this stuff is somewhat “outside” the playing careers and is useful to put in one place - where you can talk about how a player/coach fits into the history of the game. There is a version of this at players like Michael Jordan and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, but players like Pierce definitely have enough to create a similar section. Rikster2 ( talk) 11:13, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
Do we need to list the division in the "Division titles" parameter if the team played in more than one during its existence? Some user added that to the San Antonio Spurs]' infobox and I reverted that addition, but it was then added again, which I edited to make it factually correct. I know we do that for "Conference titles" parameter, but is doing the same for "Division titles" parameter too much? What is your opinion – keep or remove? – Sabbatino ( talk) 04:37, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
The NBA have been giving out the "NBA Hustle Award" since the 2016–17 season. As of now two people received it – Patrick Beverley in 2016–17 and Amir Johnson in 2017–18. I thought about creating a page for that, but I have trouble finding sources related to the subject. The only website about the award and its concept is the NBA itself ( this and this). All other websites just mention the award without going into any details. Any help? – Sabbatino ( talk) 07:47, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
Hello, I was making edits under the Kareem Abdul-Jabbar page in order to add the fact that he is the NBA's all-time leader in points scored in a career. In order to make this change, I was referencing the format of the Wilt Chamberlain page where NBA records are listed near the bottom of the infobox. However several users have said that it should not be there. My question is can we come to a consensus as where to list NBA records since it doesn't make sense that we can list records at the bottom of one page but not for the others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drdrepepper ( talk • contribs) 16:59, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
Rising stars challenge is accomplishment to any nba players in their first or second year in NBA. Sameem123 ( talk) 06:42, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
Rising stars challenge is accomplishment to any nba players in their first or second year in NBA. You’re not gonna convince me that not necessary to add infobox. Sameem123 ( talk) 17:07, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
There is consensus to add it info box to any nba players who made in their first or second year in nba just like all stars appearances like LeBron, Jordan, Kobe, KD. Sameem123 ( talk) 17:10, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
I've started a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Basketball#Names in roster templates regarding the reason why we present basketball players' names in the form "[lastname], [firstname]" in our roster templates. I propose that we change to use the format "[firstname] [lastname]" and add a sort key to allow proper sorting. If you have an opinion on this, please contribute to the discussion at WT:BASKET. – Pee Jay 19:20, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
Should the listing of a player's college stats be in the bio's "Career statistics" section (e.g. Joel Embiid), or in a subsection of "College career" (e.g. Karl-Anthony Towns)?
Since it seemed straight forward to me, I started changing some players, like recent ones from NBA All-Rookie Team and Rising Stars Challenge, combining the college and pro stats into "Career statistics". I haven't seen much objection, and one of the few reverts was undone by DaHuzyBru, supporting my change. I have also seen Kenwistb making similar change to combine the stats at Zach LaVine, among others. However, Underbelly 50 changed Karl-Anthony Towns back to put college stats under "College career", but has not commented on their talk page at User_talk:Underbelly_50#College_stats.
To get explicit feedback before continuing further, are people OK with the new placement of college stats?— Bagumba ( talk) 10:56, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
For a player like Joel Embiid, who was drafted and signed but didn't play his first two seasons, what should the infobox show as his start year? 2014 or 2016? The last discussion on this topic seems to have been at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Basketball_Association/Archive_27#Tenures_of_players_who_miss_an_entire_season. There, it seems like with Blake Griffin we list his career start as his draft year and not the year he played his first game. Similarly for Steve Nash, he's listed as retiring in 2015 even though he did not play in 2014–15, when he was still under contract with the Lakers.— Bagumba ( talk) 17:58, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
Summary So based on this discussion, and looking at current state of Joel Embiid (what triggered this thread) as well as Blake Griffin and Steve Nash, it seems the current consensus for a player's start year is the starting contract year of the first team they played for. Similarly, the end year is the ending contract year of the last team they played for. The same applies for team tenures, except we don't list teams for which a player never played a game.— Bagumba ( talk) 12:09, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
There's been slow edit war at LeBron James over what position to list him as in the infobox. He's listed by the Lakers as "Forward-Guard" [10]. Basketball-reference.com lists him as "Small Forward and Shooting Guard and Power Forward". How do editors generally decide which position to list? The last discussion seems to have been back in March, but didn't reach anything conclusive. Rikster2 proposed listing what NBA.com has, while using basketball-reference.com for specific positions (e.g. NBA.com lists "Guard", then look to b-r.com if they are a PG or SG). Then there are exceptions, like where multiple articles talk of Kevon Looney as a center (including his coach Kerr), but NBA.com only lists him as F, but basketball-reference.com has him as PF-C.— Bagumba ( talk) 04:13, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
Love There's also been edits at Kevin Love removing C, [17] although NBA.com lists him as C-F.— Bagumba ( talk) 01:51, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
Why not use what's stated in the current league or team official website (team website gets first dibs) for active players, then use B-R's classification for inactive players? Howard the Duck ( talk) 00:16, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
Nowitzki Then there is Dirk Nowitzki, who is listed as PF on Wikipedia, but has been listed as F–C on NBA.com since 2017–18.— Bagumba ( talk) 04:01, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
Greek Freak And there are also players like Giannis Antetokounmpo who "lose" a position. NBA.com listed him as a as a F–G in 2016, but is now only a F. Do we just want to list their current position, or keep historical ones?— Bagumba ( talk) 10:47, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
Let's get a clear consensus that we can document at WP:NBAPOSITION for what to list in the infobox for an active player's position. This is for general cases. As discussed above, there might be consensus to WP:IAR in rare cases, like LeBron James. I see the following as options:
Feel free to suggest others.— Bagumba ( talk) 12:26, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
There's been a user(s) with IPs from Athens, Greece, that has been changing roster templates to group by position instead of sorting alphabetically by last name. [18] [19]. I gave the most recent one a note at User talk:141.237.249.167 to discuss the mass changes at WT:NBA, which they should have seen based on their edit history.
On another note, why are roster templates sorted by last name, while navboxes like Template:Phoenix Suns current roster are sorted by jersey number?— Bagumba ( talk) 15:26, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
I don’t know why there are different conventions: Are you referring to NBA rosters vs navboxes, or why the Olympic rosters are different? Just thinking that NBA rosters and navboxes should be sorted the same, whatever order is decided.— Bagumba ( talk) 17:50, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
There is a discussion at Talk:Luka_Dončić#Listed_Height on what height to list in his infobox.— Bagumba ( talk) 09:58, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
Are there reliable sources for these anymore? Template:Golden State Warriors roster lists that they have five. I havne't seen captains listed on NBA.com roster pages for a few years now.— Bagumba ( talk) 09:26, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
I see that Sabbatino has remove them from many (all?) of the templates. What to do with "C" in the roster key that shows up from {{ NBA roster footer}}? If we delete it, it would discourage people from adding it to new templates, but what about older templates where the information might be valid? Do we want to remove it entirely? Or write some code to make a switch whether to make "C" visible?— Bagumba ( talk) 11:48, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
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13:14, 27 July 2018 (UTC)Please add it to nba player in their first or second year in NBA. Sameem123 ( talk) 10:27, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
Hey all, I noticed Template:NBA game is still frequently in use, however, as noted here and here in 2015, this template no longer actually functions. It just links to the main NBA League Pass page (such as W 117–100 for this Oct 19, 2017 CHI at TOR game) or to an error message ( W 121–113 like this one). It seems there was no direct previous consensus, but it was agreed that it either needed to be directed to another sports reference database or discontinued use with just a single link as reference for all games. As it stands now, it is useless and very broken. It would be easier to just enter the score as W 117–100 instead of {{NBA game|date=20171019|id=CHITOR|pf=117|pa=100}} and would omit the directionless link. Any objections? Yosemiter ( talk) 18:29, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
I've been working on some tables recently in an effort to clean up the tables seen in List of NBA champions (both champions and appearence tables were slated for such a refresh), and my solution is seen in my sandbox. I tried to implement the changes before, but I was met with backlash over doing so. So I want the users at WikiProject NBA to decide for themselves.
I tried to utilize the format used in List of Super Bowl champions, List of World Series champions, and List of Stanley Cup champions, because tables like these should be as uniform as possible. But if you don't like it, I understood and won't revisit the topic again. – Piranha 249 19:19, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
There is a proposal to change the sorting of the roster naxboxes at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Basketball#Roster_templates.— Bagumba ( talk) 03:55, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
Heads up that since at least last year, there has been an IP vandal like this one from service provider Fibernetics located around Toronto, Ontario, that regularly changes players' positions, usually on roster templates and sometimes in bios. Unfortunately, the IP changes often, and a range block is not always possible. Alternatively, I've been semi-protecting frequently attacked pages. Post here if you see anyone like this. And don't bother writing on their talk page if they match the IP description in the hopes that WP:DENY can help. Thanks.— Bagumba ( talk) 00:24, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
Back again Rikster2 ( talk) 13:42, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
I think we should expand our category system; I already started by spliting up the Conference standings category into Eastern and Western subcategories, alongside adding a Conference Finals category, so that everything will become more organized. What other Categories should be created? – Piranha 249 21:14, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
There is a related RFC regarding the XXXX-XX year format of seasons at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Year_range_for_two_consecutive_years.— Bagumba ( talk) 06:01, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
An editor has made a bunch of position and height/weight changes as seen in their contributions. From what I can tell, they made them without being consistent with NBA.com, and haven't explained why. I've reverted a few and blocked the editor. Those interested can look the rest if it didn't already light up your watchlist. Thanks.— Bagumba ( talk) 08:24, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
An offshoot of us using basketball-reference.com for player position is that Dwight Howard gets updated with PF because b-r listed him there in his first two years. Do we need to tweak WP:NBAPOSITION, or leave it to WP:COMMONSENSE?— Bagumba ( talk) 09:11, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
It has been 3.5 years since we discussed whether Anthony Davis (basketball) is the primary Anthony Davis. Join the discussion at Talk:Anthony_Davis_(basketball)#Requested_move_14_September_2018.-- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:52, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
It’s award for nba players in their first and second year in NBA. Please add this award in nba players. Sameem123 ( talk) 23:40, 17 September 2018 (UTC)