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One user updated the Cavaliers' logo since the season ended. However, that logo is in fact the "primary icon", which we do not use in NBA articles. He ignores the fact that official "Cleveland Cavaliers Reproduction and Usage Guideline Sheet" specifically shows, which logo is the main, and he thinks that "primary icon" is the main when it is the opposite and "global logo" is in fact the main logo. Any thoughts? – Sabbatino ( talk) 18:40, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
With the NBA draft, there's going to be a new set of bios this project inherits. As far as I know, there has never been a consensus to have tables of college recruit rankings in bios (e.g. Markelle_Fultz#High_school_career). The last WikiProject discussion was started by TonyTheTiger at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Basketball_Association/Archive_31#Recruit_boxes_in_bios. At Talk:Kevin_Durant#Changes_to_article, Ktmartell proposed "Remove the big info box with his high school recruiting information. I think it's big and chunky, and feels more relevant for players currently in high school versus those who have moved on to a professional career", which DaHuzyBru supported.
Personally, I agree that they are too bulky for bios. It's more relevant what the consensus rankings are (e.g. consensus 5-star recruit), without needing to go into minutia of every agency's positional and overall player rankings ( WP:FANCRUFT?) About the only exception is if some is ranked No. 1 by a specific service. In any event, all this is best presented in prose. Per MOS:TABLES: "Prose is preferred in articles as prose allows the presentation of detail and clarification of context, in a way that a table may not ... In an article, significant items should normally be mentioned naturally within the text rather than merely tabulated." I'm OK with these tables in college team articles, where it would be too verbose to mention each recruit, and the references in the table are not as bulky when there are multiple recruits.— Bagumba ( talk) 08:42, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
Summer League signings are upon us. We generally have not updated infoboxes with the info. I've created WP:NBACAREERHIST as a convenient shortcut when people add it to an infobox's career history. This stuff is fine in prose.— Bagumba ( talk) 05:24, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
For context, the inactive WNBA project appears under this NBA project per Wikipedia:WikiProject National Basketball Association/WNBA task force.
@ Djln: migrated WNBA team-player categories to a brand new Category:Women's National Basketball Association players by team. Djln's prior creation and migrations to these "by team" categorizations has been opposed three times, twice here and once in men's CBK. In all prior cases, Djln refused to discuss on the Talk pages of the relevant projects. While I'm sympathetic to their likely argument for this format, their refusal to discuss has again led to reversion per WP:BRD. UW Dawgs ( talk) 05:57, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
@ UW Dawgs: Let me get this straight. You can see why I created Category:Women's National Basketball Association players by team but you emptied it because I did'nt ask your permission to create first. Are you for real, how arrogant. You are simply reverting categories just because I created them, no other reason. Djln Djln ( talk) 18:31, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
There is a discussion about BIG3 at WT:BBALL#BIG3. Please give your opinion as the situation is getting out of hand at the affected articles. – Sabbatino ( talk) 16:59, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
I noticed a spike in page views for Juwan Howard. All I can find is this. I feel that there must have been an event in his life worth considering for being included in this article.-- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:15, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
This year each team gets a couple "2-way" contracts added to their roster - players will play mostly in the G-League but can be brought up and the team owns the rights ( example). How do we want to reflect these? Add to team roster and current roster templates? If so, we probably need a new code for the roster template to show this status. Thoughts? Rikster2 ( talk) 17:51, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
There is a discussion about Tim Hardaway Jr.'s name at Template talk:New York Knicks roster#Stop the edit war. Please give your input there. – Sabbatino ( talk) 16:44, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
I just have a question, is it better if NBA teams have their own articles for their histories or should their histories be explicitly stated on the teams' main pages? 'Cause I noticed that the Los Angeles Lakers and the Charlotte Hornets have their full team histories on their page whereas the Brooklyn Nets and the New Orleans Pelicans have separate articles for their team histories.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Nintendoswitchfan ( talk • contribs) 15:54, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification. Nintendoswitchfan ( talk) 17:16, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
Today a completely new user just came and changed Template:New York Knicks to an obsolete version, which I reverted. However, not long after that some old user came and again reverted stating that I need a consensus for format's change. I again reverted and specifically wrote that I intend to implement this change to all other teams' templates. I thought the templates were supposed to be compact and include only relevant information? We do not need to list all Hall of Fame members as that list will grow and will be again removed at some point. We also do no need to list every general manager, president or head coach of the team. Same goes to NBA or division titles and retired numbers. Some of the templates even go against MOS:CAPS and include practice facilities in the "Arenas" section, which is not relevant at all to the franchise. Some of the players have 4, 5 or even more templates at the bottom of their pages and that just causes template creep, which should be avoided. Please give your opinion on this matter. – Sabbatino ( talk) 15:41, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
I noticed that the structure of the All-Defensive NBA Teams Most Selections Article/Table lists the players based on how many defensive first-team selections instead of their total defensive team selections, in this case, 4 first-team defensive selections. This is different from the Most Selections Article/Table of All-NBA teams where the players are listed based on their total all-NBA team selections, in this case, 10 total all-nba team selections. I have already arranged the figures in the All-Defensive NBA Teams Most Selections Article/Table to show the total selections of the players in the table first from the left, so that it will be easier to see who has the most All-NBA Defensive Team selections, similar to the All-NBA Teams Most Selections Article/Table and I would just like to ask some input on my proposal to change the All-Defensive NBA Teams Most Selections Article/Table to reflect players with at least 5 total All-Defensive NBA Team selections instead of the current 4 All-Defensive first team selections. This way, we can truly say that the table shows the most selections. Nintendoswitchfan ( talk) 16:15, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
Discussion here - Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2017 August 29#Template:Infobox basketball official. Please weigh in as there may be modifications to the base template needed. Thanks. Rikster2 ( talk) 23:32, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
There is a discussion on whether front office tenures should be added to a bio's infobox at Template_talk:Infobox_basketball_biography#Request:_Include_general_manager_or_front_office_parameters_.2F_template_data.— Bagumba ( talk) 07:07, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
Is the standard procedure to not add training camp contracts until the team announces them, typically in later September? That's seems to be what came out of Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Basketball_Association/Archive_26#Fun_With_Contracts.2C_part_II:_Training_Camp. Bryce Alford had announced on Instagram a while back that he had signed with OKC, and an LA Times writer tweeted a few weeks later that it was only a training camp deal. [1]. I guess it's typical that a team won't announce anything until right before camp?— Bagumba ( talk) 12:18, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
Just noticed that Category:Undrafted National Basketball Association players was CfDed and deleted. I'm surprised a list doesnt exist of NBA players who went undrafted, but I know we add these players to their respective draft articles.— Bagumba ( talk) 02:51, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
It seems this was nominated before at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_April_26#Category:Undrafted_National_Basketball_Association_players, where it was kept. Does anyone intend to repopulate the category if it is recreated? (Not sure if there is an automated undo) If so, we can propose to reopen the discussion at WP:DRV. Honestly, I never had a firm understanding on which categories are deemed defining, and the deletion process is loose compared to articles. Maybe time is better spent just creating a list? At least the AfD process lists past discussions for reference.— Bagumba ( talk) 03:46, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
I thought it was odd how everyone voted keep in the previous discussion in 2010 and then basically everyone voted delete on the recent discussions. WikiOriginal-9 ( talk) 01:09, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
DRV I've opened a DRV at Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2017_September_10#Category:Undrafted_National_Basketball_Association_players.— Bagumba ( talk) 06:40, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
As far as I know, the convention in NBA bios is to not duplicate team links in the "Career history" section of the infobox. Checkingfax at Allen Iverson wants to repeat the links: "all items in a list are typically wikilinked for convenience." MOS:DUPLINK allows repeats when the list "is expected to be parsed for particular bits of data, not read from top to bottom". Links are not repeated in FA Juwan Howard and GAs like LeBron James, Manny Harris and Yi Jianlian. I won't lose sleep either way on this, but let's just be consistent. Personally, I skim it from top to bottom, and the non-duplicated links highlight teams with which a player had multiple stints.— Bagumba ( talk) 04:50, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
Help is needed at Expansion of the National Basketball Association as one particular user is edit-warring and does not engage in a discussion. In addition, he/she adds details, which are excessive, useless and speculative. – Sabbatino ( talk) 13:18, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
There is a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Basketball#National teams in infoboxes regarding the listing of national teams in the infobox. Please give your opinion as last time nobody took interest in such discussion and at this very moment one specific user is stalking all my edits and reverts without discussing. – Sabbatino ( talk) 14:55, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
The table we have on the List of NBA champions article does not look at all like the ones for the Lists of NFL Super Bowl champions, or the MLB World Series champions, or the NHL Stanley Cup champions, so I'm working on an improved version as seen in my sandbox. It still needs some buildup, but I'll add Basketball Reference refs eventually. Stay tuned! Z.I. Barbour ( talk) 22:35, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
With recent news that Anderson Varejão, who was cut midseason by the Warriors, will receive a ring from the team, it's a good time to formalize our criteria for listing "NBA champion" in a player's infobox. From the last discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Basketball_Association/Archive_30#Anderson_Varej.C3.A3o, is there agreement that
For point #2, a player like Kevon Looney is listed as "NBA champion" even though he was listed as inactive during the entire Finals. Teams are allowed 15 players on their roster, and up to 13 active for any given game. Note that previously, teams were limited to a 12-man roster for the playoffs, which they had to name before the playoffs began; there was not a per game concept of active/inactive players. I'm not sure how we have handled those players before who were under contract still, but not on the champion's playoff roster.— Bagumba ( talk) 04:41, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
As another precedent, David Blatt received a ring from the Cavs but his infobox does not list him as an "NBA champion".— Bagumba ( talk) 11:13, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
I've always been a fan of how the NHL deals with getting your name on the cup which is play in 50% of the regular season games or play in the final series of the playoffs. - DJSasso ( talk) 15:32, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
Please comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ball–Fox rivalry on whether Ball–Fox rivalry (the rivalry between Lonzo Ball and De'Aaron Fox) is notable.— Bagumba ( talk) 07:18, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
Not exactly an NBA topic, but there is lots of overlap of editors and NBA is front-burner right now to college’s back-burner. I’d like to elicit opinions on “future recruit” sections in college season articles. Discussion here. Thanks. Rikster2 ( talk) 16:34, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
The San Antonio Stars page was moved to Las Vegas WNBA team without any discussion. The WNBA website links the Las Vegas team to the press release about the relocation, but the San Antonio Stars website still exists. Should these two teams have separate articles like the Seattle SuperSonics and Oklahoma City Thunder or it should follow the same path as New Jersey/Brooklyn Nets? The WNBA implies that these are two different teams and the Seattle/Oklahoma City situation would be the logical solution since all other WNBA teams' pages on Wikipedia have different articles, for example, Detroit Shock/ Tulsa Shock/ Dallas Wings. Furthermore, the user that made the move has a "repuation" of edit warring in other articles and has been blocked for such behavior. Any opinions on this? – Sabbatino ( talk) 12:41, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Merge or separate? We should probably come to some sort of consensus since it appears User:SportsFan007 began moving pages of former teams to titles of "History of...". As far as I am aware, only the American football and Baseball projects use historical pages in that manner. Basketball seems to prefer single article per franchise regardless of relocation with the WNBA being an outlier right now. Yosemiter ( talk) 15:40, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
A lot of WNBA pages were created by users who weren’t necessarily following/seeking consensus with other Basketball articles so I wouldn’t read too much into various iterations existing (its WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS). Rikster2 ( talk) 16:12, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
I see that users tend to add player's full name in the game logs. For example, this. I think that listing player's surname through piping is enough (Antetokounmpo instead of Giannis Antetokounmpo in this situation), because listing full name is excessive. In a situation when two players in the team have the same surname, we can always accompany it with letter of his first name ( Jermaine O'Neal and Shaquille O'Neal would be J. O'Neal and S. O'Neal). Any opinions on this matter? – Sabbatino ( talk) 11:11, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
Would any regular project contributors care to comment on the odd situation of the BayHawks at Talk:Erie BayHawks (2008–2017). Merge as two franchises/one team or have separate pages for all franchises? 02:30, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
Did we ever have an article that listed the teams with the lowest regular season winning percentage? I thought I had once seen a list like that on Wikipedia, but maybe I'm wrong. We do have List of NBA teams by single season win percentage. That article lists the best teams. Zagalejo ^^^ 16:15, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
Please go to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 December 10#Category:African-American basketball players to discuss. Thanks. Rikster2 ( talk) 09:31, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
There is some sort of "problem" with jerseys in the infobox. The NBA changed from Adidas to Nike, which mean that home and road jerseys are practically gone as some of the teams use what they want in their games. For example, the Nets used white jerseys in their game in Brooklyn on October 31, but then used black jerseys on November 14. Same can be said about the Lakers when they used purple jerseys in their home game. I do know that this is a tricky situation, but changes should be reflected in the infobox since the current parameter became obsolete for NBA teams. Any ideas? – Sabbatino ( talk) 16:01, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
Following the creation of 2017 NBA G League Draft, some changes need to be made to Template:Infobox basketball draft so that "G League" complies with the dleague parameter, which is why I request someone with infobox experience. Something to link the 2017 page from the infobox in 2016 NBA Development League Draft would also be greatly appreciated. JTP ( talk • contribs) 00:04, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
I found this Ringer article quite hilarious: " Wikipedia’s Best Worst NBA Photos Are Modern Art".— Bagumba ( talk) 08:53, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
Now that Milton Doyle has made the NBA, I have scrounged around to see what pictures I might have accidentally taken of him when Fred VanVleet and Ron Baker (basketball) came to town about 3 years ago. It turns out that we have three bad choices:
Advice welcome.-- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:06, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
There are still lots of NBA All-Stars and NBA champions whose Wikipedia pages lack NBA career statistics, I suggest we go ahead and put those in. Nintendoswitchfan ( talk) 08:30, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
I'll compile a list of the NBA All-Stars soon then post it here. Nintendoswitchfan ( talk) 04:54, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
Here is a complete list of NBA All-Stars who don't have NBA career statistics in their respective articles: Billy Knight, Steve Johnson, Dan Issel, Tyrone Hill, Bob Harrison, Alex Groza, Rickey Green, Billy Gabor, Ray Felix, James Donaldson, Antonio Davis, Jack Coleman, Len Chappell, Don Buse, Bill Bradley, Bob Boozer, John Block, Butch Beard, Dick Barnett, Scott Wedman, Jimmy Walker, Jerry Sloan, Paul Silas, Frank Selvy, Ken Sears, Jeff Ruland, Jack Marin,Don Kojis, John Johnson, Eddie Johnson, Rod Hundley, Jack George, Dwight Eddleman, Walter Dukes, Kevin Duckworth, Archie Clark, Joe Caldwell, Frank Brian, Leo Barnhorst, Tom Van Arsdale, Dick Van Arsdale, Maurice Stokes, Charlie Scott, Dan Roundfield, Jeff Mullins, George McGinnis, Bob Love, Johnny Kerr, Bob Kauffman, Phil Chenier, Bill Bridges, Sidney Wicks, Guy Rodgers, Arnie Risen, Michael Ray Richardson, Willie Naulls, Maurice Lucas, Clyde Lovellette, Bobby Jones, Mel Hutchins, Spencer Haywood, Connie Hawkins, Johnny Green, Dick Garmaker, Bob Davies, Billy Cunningham, Paul Westphal, Bobby Wanzer, Gene Shue, Don Ohl, Rudy LaRusso, Cliff Hagan, Tom Gola, Wayne Embry, George Yardley, Jack Twyman, Neil Johnston, Bailey Howell, Larry Costello, Dick McGuire, Ed Macauley, Dave Bing, Bill Sharman, Larry Foust, Rick Barry, Hal Greer, Paul Arizin, Elgin Baylor, Dolph Schayes. I checked every single Wikipedia page of the NBA All-stars in the Wikipedia article on the list of NBA All-Stars. If possible, let's all work together to add the NBA career statistics for these NBA players that are missing in their respective Wikipedia articles. Thank you very much. Nintendoswitchfan ( talk) 09:37, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
I need some impartial eyes on a content removal dispute at Royce White.-- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:33, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
There is currently a new discussion on Kyrie Irving's nationality at Talk:Kyrie Irving#Nationality. Please provide comment at the talk page so we can come to a consensus – we need more users to contribute. Cheers. DaHuzyBru ( talk) 07:50, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
What do people think about edits like this that change a team's roster to have specific positions e.g. PG instead of generic G. The source link that is usually listed is to the NBA.com team page [2], which only lists generic positions. We could use basketball-reference.com [3], but the positions listed can sometimes be quite different. For example, Julius Randle is listed as F-C on NBA.com, but basketball-reference.com has him a C. I'm not a frequent editor of these templates, so I don't have a strong opinion yet.— Bagumba ( talk) 05:00, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
There is a discussion ongoing at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Football League#MOS:BOLDTITLE and MOS:BOLDAVOID to change the use of "bold" lettering in the introduction to season articles. As this affects a protocol that has been in use by the NBA project and other professional sports projects, please feel free to add your view at the discussion so that a consensus can hopefully be reached one way or the other. Cbl62 ( talk) 18:06, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
What was the reason of introducing the "right" side alignment at Template:NBA player statistics start and Template:NBA coach statistics start? I changed it to "center", but some rogue user just came and reverted it at one of the templates without giving any explanation. Statistics are usually centered at sports pages with the exception of year and team, but this was a surprise to me that NBA's statistics are aligned right and left. Any opinions would be appreciated. – Sabbatino ( talk) 18:21, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
Is it appropriate to add this to the coach's infobox? WP:NBASTYLE does not mention anything about this so I figured this is minor and can be removed, but wanted to double-check it before I went ahead. – Sabbatino ( talk) 13:57, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
There is a discussion about the separation of Yugoslavia's and Serbia's records at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Basketball#Yugoslavia, Serbia. Your opinions are welcome. P.s. there is also a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Olympics#Serbia and Montenegro vs Yugoslavia about the issue, but it takes up all sports. – Sabbatino ( talk) 20:13, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
The "Franchise leaders" sections of the various articles within Category:National Basketball Association accomplishments and records by team are unsourced. A few articles are regularly updated by IP editors, but remain unsourced. I just tagged many of these section accordingly.
Maintenance, and possibly creation, of these section trend back to Special:Contributions/JMichael22 and go stale in Nov 2016. That editor is now blocked per WP:SOCK.
So net, if anyone is looking for a project, perhaps you could rehab one of these article sections with sourcing (Sports Reference?). Then we could point the IPs to that specific article as their model for adding citations to their edits on the sibling articles. UW Dawgs ( talk) 03:42, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
THis AfD discussion could use some help reaching a sure-fire consensus. It's already been relisted once, and is maybe on the verge of doing so again. Any input is appreciated. Thanks. Mungo Kitsch ( talk) 23:55, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
While digging through some old templates I uncovered an old template initially pushed through during the 2008 playoffs to slim down the article length (It happened to have been made by the same person who created the NHLPlayoffs template. It was never adopted, but I propose that we'd start with the older playoff articles that don't have such templates (Like the 1993 Playoffs), and move progressivey downwards to today's articles. – Piranha249 ( talk) 22:41, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
Why aren't executive/managerial stints listed in infoboxes? This absence is particularly striking for individuals like Jerry West, whose executive career is regarded as one of the greatest ever, yet his infobox provides almost no details on it. Lizard ( talk) 11:45, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
Should List of NBA Finals head coaches be up for deletion? Firstly, there are no sources. And secondly, this information can be found in "xxxx NBA Finals" pages. – Sabbatino ( talk) 20:16, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
You are invited to comment on a couple of All-Star event navboxes at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2018_February_24#Template:Skills_Challenge_Winners and Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2018_February_24#Template:NBA_All-Star_Weekend_Shooting_Stars_Competition_Winners.— Bagumba ( talk) 12:20, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
There is an RfD proposing to retarget Clay Thompson to Klay Thompson at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2018_March_20#Clay_Thompson.— Bagumba ( talk) 07:04, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
Recently some user added information at Zeller's "Personal life" section about his Christian faith. However, after reading it looks like these particular additions give undue weight. Any opinions? – Sabbatino ( talk) 17:20, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
Funny how this site seen that article as "belittling" to people of no faith and how a typical Christian website is for "religious fanatics". Lin was only asking for prayers, he wasn't forcing his religion on anyone. He can pray all he wants, as can anyone else, and that won't change unbelieving friends or family, that's a matter of their own beliefs or religious convictions. That's not "belittling". Belittling would be, "better pray for my friend because he's an atheist therefor he must be an idiot", pretty much the same as calling all Christians who read a particular website "religion fanatics". After reading the article it is correct Zeller is not mentioned so it has been removed. But the "tolerant" liberals of this site crack me up. Anything Christian is "fanatic", anything Christian Right wing is "hate speech" and praying for someone is "belittling". Insanity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WheresMyFC ( talk • contribs) 06:37, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
The blessings Cody received from his older brothers, however, outweighed the physical pain, as he credits Luke and Tyler with helping him eventually accept Christ as a high school upperclassman.
“Luke and Tyler were big influences,” Cody said. “It really helped for them to pave the way.” [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by WheresMyFC ( talk • contribs) 06:47, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
@ Sabbatino, Lizard the Wizard, and Bagumba: I removed the info citing this discussion and the user reverted me. What's the go from here? DaHuzyBru ( talk) 06:00, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
References
For active player bios, it seems that we generally allow whatever basketball-reference.com lists. They list LeBron James as SG/PF/SF [5], but GuessWhoNot recently changed him back to just SF. I can appreciate the logic that this has been his primary position. For example, we do this for retired players e.g. Magic Johnson is only list as a PG even though he was a PF in his final season, Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant are only listed as SGs though they ended their careers as SFs. How should we handle active players? Should exceptions be allowed like for James to pare down positions even if a reliable source like b-r.com lists them?— Bagumba ( talk) 16:58, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
Active players should start with how the team lists them (for example, LBJ is listed as a F/G by the Cavs), though not all have specific positions beyond F/G/C. At that point it seems like basketball-reference is a good place to go for SG/PG/SF/PF after that. Rikster2 ( talk) 14:13, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
What are your thoughts on bios having a dedicated table of career-highs of various stats e.g. Joel_Embiid#Career_highs? I'm leaning towards it being trivial and WP:NOTSTATS, but think it is OK in prose. On the other hand, I wouldn't even bother putting into prose a lot of the team stat rankings that future NBA player DeAndre Ayton has at Deandre_Ayton#College_career.— Bagumba ( talk) 12:25, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
Caris LeVert posted 12 rebounds last night (he never had double digits before). I can't find a citation for his career high.- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:56, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
Does anyone else think Manu Ginóbili's lead is messy and bloated with unnecessary references ( MOS:CITELEAD) and trivial info? I reduced the content with what I thought was a more succinct summary, but I was reverted by another user. No big deal, just thought I'd bring it here to see if anyone else want to have a go at cleaning it up (and/or support my changes). Cheers. DaHuzyBru ( talk) 17:10, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
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One user updated the Cavaliers' logo since the season ended. However, that logo is in fact the "primary icon", which we do not use in NBA articles. He ignores the fact that official "Cleveland Cavaliers Reproduction and Usage Guideline Sheet" specifically shows, which logo is the main, and he thinks that "primary icon" is the main when it is the opposite and "global logo" is in fact the main logo. Any thoughts? – Sabbatino ( talk) 18:40, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
With the NBA draft, there's going to be a new set of bios this project inherits. As far as I know, there has never been a consensus to have tables of college recruit rankings in bios (e.g. Markelle_Fultz#High_school_career). The last WikiProject discussion was started by TonyTheTiger at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Basketball_Association/Archive_31#Recruit_boxes_in_bios. At Talk:Kevin_Durant#Changes_to_article, Ktmartell proposed "Remove the big info box with his high school recruiting information. I think it's big and chunky, and feels more relevant for players currently in high school versus those who have moved on to a professional career", which DaHuzyBru supported.
Personally, I agree that they are too bulky for bios. It's more relevant what the consensus rankings are (e.g. consensus 5-star recruit), without needing to go into minutia of every agency's positional and overall player rankings ( WP:FANCRUFT?) About the only exception is if some is ranked No. 1 by a specific service. In any event, all this is best presented in prose. Per MOS:TABLES: "Prose is preferred in articles as prose allows the presentation of detail and clarification of context, in a way that a table may not ... In an article, significant items should normally be mentioned naturally within the text rather than merely tabulated." I'm OK with these tables in college team articles, where it would be too verbose to mention each recruit, and the references in the table are not as bulky when there are multiple recruits.— Bagumba ( talk) 08:42, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
Summer League signings are upon us. We generally have not updated infoboxes with the info. I've created WP:NBACAREERHIST as a convenient shortcut when people add it to an infobox's career history. This stuff is fine in prose.— Bagumba ( talk) 05:24, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
For context, the inactive WNBA project appears under this NBA project per Wikipedia:WikiProject National Basketball Association/WNBA task force.
@ Djln: migrated WNBA team-player categories to a brand new Category:Women's National Basketball Association players by team. Djln's prior creation and migrations to these "by team" categorizations has been opposed three times, twice here and once in men's CBK. In all prior cases, Djln refused to discuss on the Talk pages of the relevant projects. While I'm sympathetic to their likely argument for this format, their refusal to discuss has again led to reversion per WP:BRD. UW Dawgs ( talk) 05:57, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
@ UW Dawgs: Let me get this straight. You can see why I created Category:Women's National Basketball Association players by team but you emptied it because I did'nt ask your permission to create first. Are you for real, how arrogant. You are simply reverting categories just because I created them, no other reason. Djln Djln ( talk) 18:31, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
There is a discussion about BIG3 at WT:BBALL#BIG3. Please give your opinion as the situation is getting out of hand at the affected articles. – Sabbatino ( talk) 16:59, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
I noticed a spike in page views for Juwan Howard. All I can find is this. I feel that there must have been an event in his life worth considering for being included in this article.-- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:15, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
This year each team gets a couple "2-way" contracts added to their roster - players will play mostly in the G-League but can be brought up and the team owns the rights ( example). How do we want to reflect these? Add to team roster and current roster templates? If so, we probably need a new code for the roster template to show this status. Thoughts? Rikster2 ( talk) 17:51, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
There is a discussion about Tim Hardaway Jr.'s name at Template talk:New York Knicks roster#Stop the edit war. Please give your input there. – Sabbatino ( talk) 16:44, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
I just have a question, is it better if NBA teams have their own articles for their histories or should their histories be explicitly stated on the teams' main pages? 'Cause I noticed that the Los Angeles Lakers and the Charlotte Hornets have their full team histories on their page whereas the Brooklyn Nets and the New Orleans Pelicans have separate articles for their team histories.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Nintendoswitchfan ( talk • contribs) 15:54, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification. Nintendoswitchfan ( talk) 17:16, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
Today a completely new user just came and changed Template:New York Knicks to an obsolete version, which I reverted. However, not long after that some old user came and again reverted stating that I need a consensus for format's change. I again reverted and specifically wrote that I intend to implement this change to all other teams' templates. I thought the templates were supposed to be compact and include only relevant information? We do not need to list all Hall of Fame members as that list will grow and will be again removed at some point. We also do no need to list every general manager, president or head coach of the team. Same goes to NBA or division titles and retired numbers. Some of the templates even go against MOS:CAPS and include practice facilities in the "Arenas" section, which is not relevant at all to the franchise. Some of the players have 4, 5 or even more templates at the bottom of their pages and that just causes template creep, which should be avoided. Please give your opinion on this matter. – Sabbatino ( talk) 15:41, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
I noticed that the structure of the All-Defensive NBA Teams Most Selections Article/Table lists the players based on how many defensive first-team selections instead of their total defensive team selections, in this case, 4 first-team defensive selections. This is different from the Most Selections Article/Table of All-NBA teams where the players are listed based on their total all-NBA team selections, in this case, 10 total all-nba team selections. I have already arranged the figures in the All-Defensive NBA Teams Most Selections Article/Table to show the total selections of the players in the table first from the left, so that it will be easier to see who has the most All-NBA Defensive Team selections, similar to the All-NBA Teams Most Selections Article/Table and I would just like to ask some input on my proposal to change the All-Defensive NBA Teams Most Selections Article/Table to reflect players with at least 5 total All-Defensive NBA Team selections instead of the current 4 All-Defensive first team selections. This way, we can truly say that the table shows the most selections. Nintendoswitchfan ( talk) 16:15, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
Discussion here - Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2017 August 29#Template:Infobox basketball official. Please weigh in as there may be modifications to the base template needed. Thanks. Rikster2 ( talk) 23:32, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
There is a discussion on whether front office tenures should be added to a bio's infobox at Template_talk:Infobox_basketball_biography#Request:_Include_general_manager_or_front_office_parameters_.2F_template_data.— Bagumba ( talk) 07:07, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
Is the standard procedure to not add training camp contracts until the team announces them, typically in later September? That's seems to be what came out of Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Basketball_Association/Archive_26#Fun_With_Contracts.2C_part_II:_Training_Camp. Bryce Alford had announced on Instagram a while back that he had signed with OKC, and an LA Times writer tweeted a few weeks later that it was only a training camp deal. [1]. I guess it's typical that a team won't announce anything until right before camp?— Bagumba ( talk) 12:18, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
Just noticed that Category:Undrafted National Basketball Association players was CfDed and deleted. I'm surprised a list doesnt exist of NBA players who went undrafted, but I know we add these players to their respective draft articles.— Bagumba ( talk) 02:51, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
It seems this was nominated before at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_April_26#Category:Undrafted_National_Basketball_Association_players, where it was kept. Does anyone intend to repopulate the category if it is recreated? (Not sure if there is an automated undo) If so, we can propose to reopen the discussion at WP:DRV. Honestly, I never had a firm understanding on which categories are deemed defining, and the deletion process is loose compared to articles. Maybe time is better spent just creating a list? At least the AfD process lists past discussions for reference.— Bagumba ( talk) 03:46, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
I thought it was odd how everyone voted keep in the previous discussion in 2010 and then basically everyone voted delete on the recent discussions. WikiOriginal-9 ( talk) 01:09, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
DRV I've opened a DRV at Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2017_September_10#Category:Undrafted_National_Basketball_Association_players.— Bagumba ( talk) 06:40, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
As far as I know, the convention in NBA bios is to not duplicate team links in the "Career history" section of the infobox. Checkingfax at Allen Iverson wants to repeat the links: "all items in a list are typically wikilinked for convenience." MOS:DUPLINK allows repeats when the list "is expected to be parsed for particular bits of data, not read from top to bottom". Links are not repeated in FA Juwan Howard and GAs like LeBron James, Manny Harris and Yi Jianlian. I won't lose sleep either way on this, but let's just be consistent. Personally, I skim it from top to bottom, and the non-duplicated links highlight teams with which a player had multiple stints.— Bagumba ( talk) 04:50, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
Help is needed at Expansion of the National Basketball Association as one particular user is edit-warring and does not engage in a discussion. In addition, he/she adds details, which are excessive, useless and speculative. – Sabbatino ( talk) 13:18, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
There is a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Basketball#National teams in infoboxes regarding the listing of national teams in the infobox. Please give your opinion as last time nobody took interest in such discussion and at this very moment one specific user is stalking all my edits and reverts without discussing. – Sabbatino ( talk) 14:55, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
The table we have on the List of NBA champions article does not look at all like the ones for the Lists of NFL Super Bowl champions, or the MLB World Series champions, or the NHL Stanley Cup champions, so I'm working on an improved version as seen in my sandbox. It still needs some buildup, but I'll add Basketball Reference refs eventually. Stay tuned! Z.I. Barbour ( talk) 22:35, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
With recent news that Anderson Varejão, who was cut midseason by the Warriors, will receive a ring from the team, it's a good time to formalize our criteria for listing "NBA champion" in a player's infobox. From the last discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Basketball_Association/Archive_30#Anderson_Varej.C3.A3o, is there agreement that
For point #2, a player like Kevon Looney is listed as "NBA champion" even though he was listed as inactive during the entire Finals. Teams are allowed 15 players on their roster, and up to 13 active for any given game. Note that previously, teams were limited to a 12-man roster for the playoffs, which they had to name before the playoffs began; there was not a per game concept of active/inactive players. I'm not sure how we have handled those players before who were under contract still, but not on the champion's playoff roster.— Bagumba ( talk) 04:41, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
As another precedent, David Blatt received a ring from the Cavs but his infobox does not list him as an "NBA champion".— Bagumba ( talk) 11:13, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
I've always been a fan of how the NHL deals with getting your name on the cup which is play in 50% of the regular season games or play in the final series of the playoffs. - DJSasso ( talk) 15:32, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
Please comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ball–Fox rivalry on whether Ball–Fox rivalry (the rivalry between Lonzo Ball and De'Aaron Fox) is notable.— Bagumba ( talk) 07:18, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
Not exactly an NBA topic, but there is lots of overlap of editors and NBA is front-burner right now to college’s back-burner. I’d like to elicit opinions on “future recruit” sections in college season articles. Discussion here. Thanks. Rikster2 ( talk) 16:34, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
The San Antonio Stars page was moved to Las Vegas WNBA team without any discussion. The WNBA website links the Las Vegas team to the press release about the relocation, but the San Antonio Stars website still exists. Should these two teams have separate articles like the Seattle SuperSonics and Oklahoma City Thunder or it should follow the same path as New Jersey/Brooklyn Nets? The WNBA implies that these are two different teams and the Seattle/Oklahoma City situation would be the logical solution since all other WNBA teams' pages on Wikipedia have different articles, for example, Detroit Shock/ Tulsa Shock/ Dallas Wings. Furthermore, the user that made the move has a "repuation" of edit warring in other articles and has been blocked for such behavior. Any opinions on this? – Sabbatino ( talk) 12:41, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Merge or separate? We should probably come to some sort of consensus since it appears User:SportsFan007 began moving pages of former teams to titles of "History of...". As far as I am aware, only the American football and Baseball projects use historical pages in that manner. Basketball seems to prefer single article per franchise regardless of relocation with the WNBA being an outlier right now. Yosemiter ( talk) 15:40, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
A lot of WNBA pages were created by users who weren’t necessarily following/seeking consensus with other Basketball articles so I wouldn’t read too much into various iterations existing (its WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS). Rikster2 ( talk) 16:12, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
I see that users tend to add player's full name in the game logs. For example, this. I think that listing player's surname through piping is enough (Antetokounmpo instead of Giannis Antetokounmpo in this situation), because listing full name is excessive. In a situation when two players in the team have the same surname, we can always accompany it with letter of his first name ( Jermaine O'Neal and Shaquille O'Neal would be J. O'Neal and S. O'Neal). Any opinions on this matter? – Sabbatino ( talk) 11:11, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
Would any regular project contributors care to comment on the odd situation of the BayHawks at Talk:Erie BayHawks (2008–2017). Merge as two franchises/one team or have separate pages for all franchises? 02:30, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
Did we ever have an article that listed the teams with the lowest regular season winning percentage? I thought I had once seen a list like that on Wikipedia, but maybe I'm wrong. We do have List of NBA teams by single season win percentage. That article lists the best teams. Zagalejo ^^^ 16:15, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
Please go to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 December 10#Category:African-American basketball players to discuss. Thanks. Rikster2 ( talk) 09:31, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
There is some sort of "problem" with jerseys in the infobox. The NBA changed from Adidas to Nike, which mean that home and road jerseys are practically gone as some of the teams use what they want in their games. For example, the Nets used white jerseys in their game in Brooklyn on October 31, but then used black jerseys on November 14. Same can be said about the Lakers when they used purple jerseys in their home game. I do know that this is a tricky situation, but changes should be reflected in the infobox since the current parameter became obsolete for NBA teams. Any ideas? – Sabbatino ( talk) 16:01, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
Following the creation of 2017 NBA G League Draft, some changes need to be made to Template:Infobox basketball draft so that "G League" complies with the dleague parameter, which is why I request someone with infobox experience. Something to link the 2017 page from the infobox in 2016 NBA Development League Draft would also be greatly appreciated. JTP ( talk • contribs) 00:04, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
I found this Ringer article quite hilarious: " Wikipedia’s Best Worst NBA Photos Are Modern Art".— Bagumba ( talk) 08:53, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
Now that Milton Doyle has made the NBA, I have scrounged around to see what pictures I might have accidentally taken of him when Fred VanVleet and Ron Baker (basketball) came to town about 3 years ago. It turns out that we have three bad choices:
Advice welcome.-- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:06, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
There are still lots of NBA All-Stars and NBA champions whose Wikipedia pages lack NBA career statistics, I suggest we go ahead and put those in. Nintendoswitchfan ( talk) 08:30, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
I'll compile a list of the NBA All-Stars soon then post it here. Nintendoswitchfan ( talk) 04:54, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
Here is a complete list of NBA All-Stars who don't have NBA career statistics in their respective articles: Billy Knight, Steve Johnson, Dan Issel, Tyrone Hill, Bob Harrison, Alex Groza, Rickey Green, Billy Gabor, Ray Felix, James Donaldson, Antonio Davis, Jack Coleman, Len Chappell, Don Buse, Bill Bradley, Bob Boozer, John Block, Butch Beard, Dick Barnett, Scott Wedman, Jimmy Walker, Jerry Sloan, Paul Silas, Frank Selvy, Ken Sears, Jeff Ruland, Jack Marin,Don Kojis, John Johnson, Eddie Johnson, Rod Hundley, Jack George, Dwight Eddleman, Walter Dukes, Kevin Duckworth, Archie Clark, Joe Caldwell, Frank Brian, Leo Barnhorst, Tom Van Arsdale, Dick Van Arsdale, Maurice Stokes, Charlie Scott, Dan Roundfield, Jeff Mullins, George McGinnis, Bob Love, Johnny Kerr, Bob Kauffman, Phil Chenier, Bill Bridges, Sidney Wicks, Guy Rodgers, Arnie Risen, Michael Ray Richardson, Willie Naulls, Maurice Lucas, Clyde Lovellette, Bobby Jones, Mel Hutchins, Spencer Haywood, Connie Hawkins, Johnny Green, Dick Garmaker, Bob Davies, Billy Cunningham, Paul Westphal, Bobby Wanzer, Gene Shue, Don Ohl, Rudy LaRusso, Cliff Hagan, Tom Gola, Wayne Embry, George Yardley, Jack Twyman, Neil Johnston, Bailey Howell, Larry Costello, Dick McGuire, Ed Macauley, Dave Bing, Bill Sharman, Larry Foust, Rick Barry, Hal Greer, Paul Arizin, Elgin Baylor, Dolph Schayes. I checked every single Wikipedia page of the NBA All-stars in the Wikipedia article on the list of NBA All-Stars. If possible, let's all work together to add the NBA career statistics for these NBA players that are missing in their respective Wikipedia articles. Thank you very much. Nintendoswitchfan ( talk) 09:37, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
I need some impartial eyes on a content removal dispute at Royce White.-- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:33, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
There is currently a new discussion on Kyrie Irving's nationality at Talk:Kyrie Irving#Nationality. Please provide comment at the talk page so we can come to a consensus – we need more users to contribute. Cheers. DaHuzyBru ( talk) 07:50, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
What do people think about edits like this that change a team's roster to have specific positions e.g. PG instead of generic G. The source link that is usually listed is to the NBA.com team page [2], which only lists generic positions. We could use basketball-reference.com [3], but the positions listed can sometimes be quite different. For example, Julius Randle is listed as F-C on NBA.com, but basketball-reference.com has him a C. I'm not a frequent editor of these templates, so I don't have a strong opinion yet.— Bagumba ( talk) 05:00, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
There is a discussion ongoing at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Football League#MOS:BOLDTITLE and MOS:BOLDAVOID to change the use of "bold" lettering in the introduction to season articles. As this affects a protocol that has been in use by the NBA project and other professional sports projects, please feel free to add your view at the discussion so that a consensus can hopefully be reached one way or the other. Cbl62 ( talk) 18:06, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
What was the reason of introducing the "right" side alignment at Template:NBA player statistics start and Template:NBA coach statistics start? I changed it to "center", but some rogue user just came and reverted it at one of the templates without giving any explanation. Statistics are usually centered at sports pages with the exception of year and team, but this was a surprise to me that NBA's statistics are aligned right and left. Any opinions would be appreciated. – Sabbatino ( talk) 18:21, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
Is it appropriate to add this to the coach's infobox? WP:NBASTYLE does not mention anything about this so I figured this is minor and can be removed, but wanted to double-check it before I went ahead. – Sabbatino ( talk) 13:57, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
There is a discussion about the separation of Yugoslavia's and Serbia's records at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Basketball#Yugoslavia, Serbia. Your opinions are welcome. P.s. there is also a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Olympics#Serbia and Montenegro vs Yugoslavia about the issue, but it takes up all sports. – Sabbatino ( talk) 20:13, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
The "Franchise leaders" sections of the various articles within Category:National Basketball Association accomplishments and records by team are unsourced. A few articles are regularly updated by IP editors, but remain unsourced. I just tagged many of these section accordingly.
Maintenance, and possibly creation, of these section trend back to Special:Contributions/JMichael22 and go stale in Nov 2016. That editor is now blocked per WP:SOCK.
So net, if anyone is looking for a project, perhaps you could rehab one of these article sections with sourcing (Sports Reference?). Then we could point the IPs to that specific article as their model for adding citations to their edits on the sibling articles. UW Dawgs ( talk) 03:42, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
THis AfD discussion could use some help reaching a sure-fire consensus. It's already been relisted once, and is maybe on the verge of doing so again. Any input is appreciated. Thanks. Mungo Kitsch ( talk) 23:55, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
While digging through some old templates I uncovered an old template initially pushed through during the 2008 playoffs to slim down the article length (It happened to have been made by the same person who created the NHLPlayoffs template. It was never adopted, but I propose that we'd start with the older playoff articles that don't have such templates (Like the 1993 Playoffs), and move progressivey downwards to today's articles. – Piranha249 ( talk) 22:41, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
Why aren't executive/managerial stints listed in infoboxes? This absence is particularly striking for individuals like Jerry West, whose executive career is regarded as one of the greatest ever, yet his infobox provides almost no details on it. Lizard ( talk) 11:45, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
Should List of NBA Finals head coaches be up for deletion? Firstly, there are no sources. And secondly, this information can be found in "xxxx NBA Finals" pages. – Sabbatino ( talk) 20:16, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
You are invited to comment on a couple of All-Star event navboxes at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2018_February_24#Template:Skills_Challenge_Winners and Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2018_February_24#Template:NBA_All-Star_Weekend_Shooting_Stars_Competition_Winners.— Bagumba ( talk) 12:20, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
There is an RfD proposing to retarget Clay Thompson to Klay Thompson at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2018_March_20#Clay_Thompson.— Bagumba ( talk) 07:04, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
Recently some user added information at Zeller's "Personal life" section about his Christian faith. However, after reading it looks like these particular additions give undue weight. Any opinions? – Sabbatino ( talk) 17:20, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
Funny how this site seen that article as "belittling" to people of no faith and how a typical Christian website is for "religious fanatics". Lin was only asking for prayers, he wasn't forcing his religion on anyone. He can pray all he wants, as can anyone else, and that won't change unbelieving friends or family, that's a matter of their own beliefs or religious convictions. That's not "belittling". Belittling would be, "better pray for my friend because he's an atheist therefor he must be an idiot", pretty much the same as calling all Christians who read a particular website "religion fanatics". After reading the article it is correct Zeller is not mentioned so it has been removed. But the "tolerant" liberals of this site crack me up. Anything Christian is "fanatic", anything Christian Right wing is "hate speech" and praying for someone is "belittling". Insanity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WheresMyFC ( talk • contribs) 06:37, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
The blessings Cody received from his older brothers, however, outweighed the physical pain, as he credits Luke and Tyler with helping him eventually accept Christ as a high school upperclassman.
“Luke and Tyler were big influences,” Cody said. “It really helped for them to pave the way.” [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by WheresMyFC ( talk • contribs) 06:47, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
@ Sabbatino, Lizard the Wizard, and Bagumba: I removed the info citing this discussion and the user reverted me. What's the go from here? DaHuzyBru ( talk) 06:00, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
References
For active player bios, it seems that we generally allow whatever basketball-reference.com lists. They list LeBron James as SG/PF/SF [5], but GuessWhoNot recently changed him back to just SF. I can appreciate the logic that this has been his primary position. For example, we do this for retired players e.g. Magic Johnson is only list as a PG even though he was a PF in his final season, Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant are only listed as SGs though they ended their careers as SFs. How should we handle active players? Should exceptions be allowed like for James to pare down positions even if a reliable source like b-r.com lists them?— Bagumba ( talk) 16:58, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
Active players should start with how the team lists them (for example, LBJ is listed as a F/G by the Cavs), though not all have specific positions beyond F/G/C. At that point it seems like basketball-reference is a good place to go for SG/PG/SF/PF after that. Rikster2 ( talk) 14:13, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
What are your thoughts on bios having a dedicated table of career-highs of various stats e.g. Joel_Embiid#Career_highs? I'm leaning towards it being trivial and WP:NOTSTATS, but think it is OK in prose. On the other hand, I wouldn't even bother putting into prose a lot of the team stat rankings that future NBA player DeAndre Ayton has at Deandre_Ayton#College_career.— Bagumba ( talk) 12:25, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
Caris LeVert posted 12 rebounds last night (he never had double digits before). I can't find a citation for his career high.- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:56, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
Does anyone else think Manu Ginóbili's lead is messy and bloated with unnecessary references ( MOS:CITELEAD) and trivial info? I reduced the content with what I thought was a more succinct summary, but I was reverted by another user. No big deal, just thought I'd bring it here to see if anyone else want to have a go at cleaning it up (and/or support my changes). Cheers. DaHuzyBru ( talk) 17:10, 30 March 2018 (UTC)