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Hello, there is a discussion at Template talk:Oklahoma City Thunder seasons in which you might be interested. UW Dawgs ( talk) 21:48, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
The Category:National Basketball Association team specific seasons navigational boxes are generally consistent with City and Nickname formatting in the headers, but with minor inconsistencies among relocated franchises in use of spacing and hyphens. I've attempted to standardize this header text as:
Following this convention, the header text of relocated franchise navboxes now renders like:
‡ These two do not easily follow the basic convention.
Feedback welcome. UW Dawgs ( talk) 01:55, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
There was a weak consensus at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Basketball_Association/Archive_23#NBA_Coaches.2FFranchise_template to just have the current team name in the navbox's header. If there's no consensus to do otherwise, we should clean up the season naboxes to be consistent.— Bagumba ( talk) 05:28, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
And we appear to stack the "primary" over the "seasons" navboxes in the team articles, like:
Which allows the a single "seasons" navbox to be reused for the franchises prior locations:
If we were to change the convention around the "seasons" navboxes titles, it would hurt the contextual render on the prior franchise locations. So the (occasionally verbose) status quo seems preferable. UW Dawgs ( talk) 18:20, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
My vote is to put the current team name in the heading and divide up the locations/names with groups. Such as:
I'd say to put the current team name only in the heading. It's not perfect, but would rather have a simplistic title at the inconvenience of a few readers that might wonder why a seemingly different team's navbox is on the page.— Bagumba ( talk) 22:31, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
There is a discussion at Category talk:Defunct National Basketball Association teams in which you might be interested. UW Dawgs ( talk) 02:33, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
Any objection if we remove strength and athletic trainers from NBA roster listings? Looking at List of current NBA team rosters, most of them are not blue links, and nobody even bothers making it a red link, presumably because we all know they're not generally notable. This seems to follow WP:NOTDIRECTORY to not list employees "except CEOs, supervisory directors and similar top functionaries". I'd disable the related code from Template:NBA roster footer.— Bagumba ( talk) 03:09, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
Hi,
There's currently an ongoing conversation regarding the infobox for players. You can find it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Basketball#Player's previous teams. – Sabbatino ( talk) 12:58, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Question. If the Pistons retired #1 for Chauncey Billups, which I remember the ceremony where that happened, why does Reggie Jackson currently wear #1 and how did that happen? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lizmichael ( talk • contribs) 03:14, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
Hi,
Is listing only Month/Year (April 2016) enough? I'm asking, because some user on some article keeps re-adding the incomplete DOB. He tried discussing it with me, but he didn't give any relevant arguments on why Month/Year DOB should stay. According to WP:DOB – Wikipedia includes full names and dates of birth that have been widely published by reliable sources... So according to his Month/Year is not enough. Same goes to the same article subject's birth place. Only Country is listed. That's enough or City, Country is needed? Because there are many articles that don't list anything if only Country is known.– Sabbatino ( talk) 10:30, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
There's an ongoing discussion regarding the infobox's | playoff_appearances =
parameter at
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Basketball#Playoff appearances. –
Sabbatino (
talk)
13:09, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
Is there any consensus regarding his name in the article before the 1990–91 NBA season? It is stated in his article – On March 9, 1991, he altered his name from Akeem to the more conventional spelling of Hakeem... 1986 NBA Finals, 1984–85, 1985–86, 1987–88, 1988–89 and 1989–90 articles refer to him as Hakeem with 1986–87 being the only article referring to him as Akeem. Should his name be altered to correct spelling of that time or it should be left as it is now? – Sabbatino ( talk) 14:14, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
Name alteration: Hakeem → Akeem
Done. – Sabbatino ( talk) 12:34, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
How should Ladner's #4 be treated? 2015–16 NBA guide lists it as retired, but according to Nets (at least that person mentioned in the article) – it isn't retired (there used to be an official statement from the Nets, but I can't find it anymore). And no mention of Ladner can be found on Nets' official website. Any thoughts would be appreciated. – Sabbatino ( talk) 09:09, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
Update: 2015–16 Nets media guide (page 251) doesn't mention Ladner either. – Sabbatino ( talk) 09:17, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
I have noticed that NBA franchise infoboxes have started cropping up on current head coach articles (such as Template:Phoenix Suns on Earl Watson's article). I want to see if there is a way to avoid doing this. In their current state, the current head coach, GM, etc. do appear on the franchise templates (along with the broadcasting team), but I thought that we had created the coach chronology templates ( Template:Phoenix Suns coach navbox) in large part to get coaches off these templates so that an extra, fairly generic, template didn't exist on the articles. For a current head coach, they already have three templates denoting this status - their "current roster" template, the coach chronology template, and Template:NBACoach. I would like to propose that we take current head coach off the franchise template, and would further suggest that we consider removing other individuals as well (front office, broadcasting teams, etc). Basketball articles suffer from "over-templating" as it is and this feels wholly unnecessary. It definitely feels like we should take coaches off, and that is my formal suggestion, but let's discuss what is on the templates generally. It feels weird to me to go to Tim Kempton's article (for example) and then have to sort through a very long, generic "Phoenix Suns" template to figure out why he's on it (he's an announcer). Rikster2 ( talk) 13:39, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
Agree that cleanup is in order. Looking at Template:Los Angeles Clippers, Template:Los Angeles Lakers, and Template:Cleveland Cavaliers, it seems the following generally should be done:
— Bagumba ( talk) 03:52, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
I never knew there was a |misc=
field for
Template:NBA season. Someone used it to add a note about players' rookie years or Kobe's final season in the infoboxes at
2015–16 Los Angeles Lakers season and
2014–15 Los Angeles Lakers season. Stockton's final season seems to have been noted forever at
2002–03 Utah Jazz season.
|misc=
?— Bagumba ( talk) 00:22, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
Seems like the division, conference, and NBA champions indicator was
standardized in the template in 2015. However,
300+ articles still use misc for that and other info. They include "Atlantic Division Champions" at
1988–89 New York Knicks season, "20th Season in Sacramento" for
2005–06 Sacramento Kings season, "Eighth NBA Championship" for
1964–65 Boston Celtics season, etc. If someone is looking for
gnomish work, feel free to covert to the standard params for the championships Afterwards, we can just delete |misc=
support from the template, unless there is objection.—
Bagumba (
talk)
03:33, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
I think people generally know about MOS:OVERLINK. However, should we apply this to tables, such as awards winners, where players often repeat? MOS:DUPLINK allows that "if helpful for readers, a link may be repeated in infoboxes, tables, image captions, footnotes, hatnotes, and at the first occurrence after the lead." This makes sense, because we dont generally expect a reader to read a table from beginning to end, and have already clicked on a link beforehand if they were interested. One usually only browses the time period they are interested in. Without multiple links, one has to scroll or do a search to find the first mention to click on the link.
For WP:NBA, there is a strong precent to encourage duplicate links in tables. List of National Basketball Association awards is a Featured Topic. All of its lists are FLs, and they all repeat links in their respective table for both team and players that have received the award multiple times. At All-NBA Development League Team, Jrcla2 wants to unlink them, and has reverted DaHuzyBru and myself a few times, and has said All-NBA Team should remove duplicate links as well. He asked that someone else start a discussion.
Should we continue project and MOS precedence to allow duplicate links in tables?— Bagumba ( talk) 01:44, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
I have a question regarding these tables. Should Hall of Famers tables be kept in teams' articles? I remember last year some editors were discussing about removing all of them and converting them to prose, but nothing happened. I put much time in creating these tables for many teams; however, I don't think those tables bring anything good to the articles and just take unnecessary place. In my opinion, all of them should be converted to prose and put into a separate page. The best example is Boston Celtics' article which links to List of Boston Celtics accomplishments and records, where all records, awards and other historical trivia is placed. Any thoughts would be appreciated. – Sabbatino ( talk) 10:21, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
My initial proposal was to make those HOF tables into lists. That's because of teams like Celtics, Lakers, Knicks and all older teams that have many players/coaches/contributors, but to keep it fair, every team should have a HOF list instead of a table. My main example would be New York Rangers#Hall-of-Famers (Hockey Hall of Fame). Imagine how would that table look like and it becomes clear that a list is the better choice in dealing with this issue. – Sabbatino ( talk) 08:27, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
As I see, there's no conclusion to this issue. There's a new issue with this kind of tables, which is the addition of City/State Hall of Fame tables. I understand that Naismith/FIBA HOF tables are relevant, regardless of me wanting to convert them into lists, however I can't say the same about other HOF tables as seen here. In my opinion, that is in no way related to the teams and doesn't add anything good apart from more unnecessary trivia. – Sabbatino ( talk) 12:46, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
Question: Should an NBA team's main article (e.g. Los Angeles Lakers) contain a list of former team members who have been inducted into the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame?
All- Trying to reach consensus on how many rounds should be displayed on yearly WNBA draft templates at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Basketball/Women's basketball/Archives/2020/April#WNBA draft templates. This discussion could use more and broader input to get to a guideline. Thanks. Rikster2 ( talk) 13:21, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
For players that play both SG and PG, or SF and PF, should we enumerate each position in their infobox (e.g. Point guard/ Shooting guard) or just the generic position (e.g. Guard)? Listing each one makes it explicit that they play both without the reader having to guess, while the generic format is shorter but ambiguous if, say, a listed guard is really just a PG. Remember, only recently have we added specific positions, so Elgin Baylor, a SF, continues to be listed as just "Forward". If space isn't an issue, I'd say list the two positions. An exception would be ones like GF or FS, I don't want to see "Small forward / Power forward / Shooting guard"—use "Guard / Forward".— Bagumba ( talk) 02:46, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
In all honesty I think we should just emulate the NBA and most media and use generic positions. It is a little simpler. I know some players do play one designated position (i.e. Russell Westbrook is a point guard and a PG ONLY), but we can simply say their specific positions in their opening paragraphs so readers can still link to the positions if they want to learn more. For example Kobe Bryant's infobox can say only "Guard", but one of the first sentences of his article can state "He has started at the shooting guard position." Allen Iverson and LeBron James' articles are good examples of this esp since Iverson played both guard positions and James plays both forward positions. This is just my honest opinion. IT would make classifying infoboxes alot simpler: either chose Guard(G), Forward(F) or Center(C) and if a player does more than one than a slash is more than sufficient. 2601:82:C001:12D0:55:AE4:174D:5B21 ( talk) 17:18, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
AFAICS, there is no new consensus to change players that play both forward positions (SF/PF) to be listed as a generic Forward, nor to list players that play both guard positions (PG/SG) to be listed as a generic Guard. Above, Banan14kab acknowledged that "So the general consensus seems to be to keep specific positions". However, Banan14kab continues to revert this for Robert Horry, Derek Fisher, Jason Terry, and Kirk Hinrich. Per WP:NOCONSENSUS, "a lack of consensus commonly results in retaining the version of the article as it was prior to the proposal or bold edit". I'm not sure why these reverts with no consensus are continuing.— Bagumba ( talk) 16:05, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
Well at this point it seems specific positions are favorable over generic ones. Listing three position is definitely overkill and should be the only time generic positions are used. Otherwise everyone seems to prefer specific ones, which even I've come to agree with. It's just easier and makes sense. Even if a player plays both guard positions or both forward positions, using generic positions aren't necessarily needed. We need to establish a final ruling for every situation so this can finally be over with. I'm tired of being accused of edit-warring and vandalism when I thought I was doing what was best for the articles just as I do on every wiki site I've edited on. Also for the special case of LeBron, he plays similar to a guard, but is official a forward and has been at the forward positions his whole career. He's an unofficial "guard" because he can pretty much do everything. That's why people say he's like a point-forward (an informal term). Banan14kab ( talk) 19:49, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
We need to establish a final ruling for every situation": Be careful. I think you've summarized the general rule, but it's not to say there can't be exceptions. One of the Five Pillars is "Wikipedia has no firm rules". There can be exceptions, but they are subject to consensus, not constant reversions. Thanks.— Bagumba ( talk) 20:39, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
Season | Team | Conference | Conf. Finish |
Division | Div. Finish |
Wins | Losses | Win% | GB | Playoffs | Awards | Head coach |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1974–75 | 1974–75 | Western | 4th | Pacific | 2nd | 43 | 39 | .524 | 5 | Won
First Round vs.
Detroit Pistons, 2–1 Lost Conference Semifinals to Golden State Warriors, 4–2 |
Bill Russell |
Just look at the Playoffs column. It now suggests that they lost and won at the same time. This mistake (I think it's a mistake) can be seen in every NBA team's article. Or is this the common practice at List of [insert team] seasons articles? – Sabbatino ( talk) 18:53, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
I see no-one opposes, so I will start changing this when I have more time. – Sabbatino ( talk) 07:08, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
There are a whole bunch of news articles describing Masai Ujiri as the first African-born GM in a major US sports league. But according to this, he was actually born in Bournemouth, England, leaving when he was 9 months old. It seems to me that he is not technically "African-born". Any thoughts on how to proceed with this article? Zagalejo ^^^ 00:38, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
There has been a great deal of activity on this article through the draft declaration and combine process. To the extent that early entry candidates have been broken out into lists of those who attended the combine vs. those who didn't. Over time, where the article will primarily be referenced to see who was picked where, I feel like some of this stuff needs to be taken out, collapsed, etc. It's not really an article about the draft combine. Thoughts? Rikster2 ( talk) 12:45, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
There seems to be a growing trend of adding sections like Flip Saunders#Notable players and coaching tree that list any any all coaches that played or coached under someone. I don't think this is generally notable, and it just seems trivial unless there is supporting prose that explains how a coach was considered a mentor. What do others think?— Bagumba ( talk) 19:08, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
Something needs to be done with the user that created them. Today this same crap was re-added to Brad Stevens' article. Of course I took action and removed it again. That user ignores all warnings and just blanks its talk page without any discussion. – Sabbatino ( talk) 21:31, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
Does this have to include NBA Player of the Month, NBA Coach of the Month and NBA Rookie of the Month awards? All of these awards are covered in each team season's article. They aren't notable to have such honor, because 1 or even 5 years later no-one will remember that Player X got Something of the Month award. – Sabbatino ( talk) 08:50, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
Some relatively new user added |captain=
parameter to various NBA teams' infoboxes (and some European teams). Of course I removed them. However, I want to know if such parameter is useful at all? Any thoughts? –
Sabbatino (
talk)
19:43, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
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Jrcla2 ( talk) 21:00, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
News outlets are reporting that no matter the outcome of the 2016 NBA Finals, Anderson Varejão will be a champion. These two specifically [3] [4] are stating that because Varejão played on the Cavs and the Warriors in 2015–16, he is guaranteed to receive his first NBA ring. I disagree with this analogy. If the Cavs win, just because Varejão was a Cav during the season, doesn't mean he's a champion Cav. That would mean any player who was on a 10-day contract with a subsequent championship team, or any player who was waived during the season, would be a champion, and that doesn't make sense. Should Malcolm Thomas (basketball, born 1988) be deemed a champion because he played one game for the Spurs in 2013–14? No. If Varejão becomes a champion because he was a Cav during the season, that should mean Joe Harris (basketball) should be deemed a champion too. Is it not only those on the 15-man Finals squad that are deemed champions? Damion James, for example, was a champion Spur in 2014 because he was on their squad despite him not suiting up once. This Varejão nonsense is ridiculous in my opinion. Thoughts? DaHuzyBru ( talk) 10:28, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
I presume the main concern is with a player's infobox listing "NBA champion"? If a ring is really the criteria for that, I'm almost certain the team can decide whoever they want to give one to. And I think LeBron was close to him, which can't hurt his chances. What if GS gives one to Kevon Looney, even though he won't play in offseason? These are bit players, so it makes it easier to discount them and not call them champions. It'd be a more compelling argument if we were talking an All-Star or future HOFer who suffered a season-ending injury and never played in playoffs.— Bagumba ( talk) 02:02, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
I am about to go on vacation for almost a week and won't be on Wikipedia, but I just noticed User:Basketballfan12 is creating lots of non-notable NBA personnel's stubs. They're incomplete, reference-less, category-less, etc. Can someone please jump in and educate him on how to make a notable biography, and to learn how to create one more correctly so no more kittens are spread everywhere? Jrcla2 ( talk) 01:54, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
Here's what I would suggest for the concerns raised here. Per WP:CIVILITY, editors are expected to respond to good faith questions. Repeatedly failing to do so could result in a block. Before proceeding, I would expect to see diffs to discussions showing multiple requests with no good faith responses. If the AfD closes show a pattern of questionable article creation, a WP:TBAN might be order on basketball article creations. That could be requested at WP:ANI. If there are articles whose notability is in doubt, a PROD or AfD is the most effective way to determine if there is a valid concern or not.— Bagumba ( talk) 03:20, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
For the record, outcome of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bruce Wilson (basketball), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maxie Esho, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kevin Capers, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dylan Murphy (2nd nomination), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark Daigneault, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brian Walsh (basketball) were delete. Past speedy deletions are Jarrell Christian, Matt Woodley. There are also baseball AfDs that ended with delete at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jack Marder, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Max Perlman, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oren Gal, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Orr Gottleib, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeremy Gould. Richard Bleier was a PROD that was deleted.— Bagumba ( talk) 05:10, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
There is a topic ban proposal at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Proposed_topic_ban_for_User:Basketballfan12.— Bagumba ( talk) 02:30, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
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Hello, there is a discussion at Template talk:Oklahoma City Thunder seasons in which you might be interested. UW Dawgs ( talk) 21:48, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
The Category:National Basketball Association team specific seasons navigational boxes are generally consistent with City and Nickname formatting in the headers, but with minor inconsistencies among relocated franchises in use of spacing and hyphens. I've attempted to standardize this header text as:
Following this convention, the header text of relocated franchise navboxes now renders like:
‡ These two do not easily follow the basic convention.
Feedback welcome. UW Dawgs ( talk) 01:55, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
There was a weak consensus at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Basketball_Association/Archive_23#NBA_Coaches.2FFranchise_template to just have the current team name in the navbox's header. If there's no consensus to do otherwise, we should clean up the season naboxes to be consistent.— Bagumba ( talk) 05:28, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
And we appear to stack the "primary" over the "seasons" navboxes in the team articles, like:
Which allows the a single "seasons" navbox to be reused for the franchises prior locations:
If we were to change the convention around the "seasons" navboxes titles, it would hurt the contextual render on the prior franchise locations. So the (occasionally verbose) status quo seems preferable. UW Dawgs ( talk) 18:20, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
My vote is to put the current team name in the heading and divide up the locations/names with groups. Such as:
I'd say to put the current team name only in the heading. It's not perfect, but would rather have a simplistic title at the inconvenience of a few readers that might wonder why a seemingly different team's navbox is on the page.— Bagumba ( talk) 22:31, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
There is a discussion at Category talk:Defunct National Basketball Association teams in which you might be interested. UW Dawgs ( talk) 02:33, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
Any objection if we remove strength and athletic trainers from NBA roster listings? Looking at List of current NBA team rosters, most of them are not blue links, and nobody even bothers making it a red link, presumably because we all know they're not generally notable. This seems to follow WP:NOTDIRECTORY to not list employees "except CEOs, supervisory directors and similar top functionaries". I'd disable the related code from Template:NBA roster footer.— Bagumba ( talk) 03:09, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
Hi,
There's currently an ongoing conversation regarding the infobox for players. You can find it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Basketball#Player's previous teams. – Sabbatino ( talk) 12:58, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Question. If the Pistons retired #1 for Chauncey Billups, which I remember the ceremony where that happened, why does Reggie Jackson currently wear #1 and how did that happen? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lizmichael ( talk • contribs) 03:14, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
Hi,
Is listing only Month/Year (April 2016) enough? I'm asking, because some user on some article keeps re-adding the incomplete DOB. He tried discussing it with me, but he didn't give any relevant arguments on why Month/Year DOB should stay. According to WP:DOB – Wikipedia includes full names and dates of birth that have been widely published by reliable sources... So according to his Month/Year is not enough. Same goes to the same article subject's birth place. Only Country is listed. That's enough or City, Country is needed? Because there are many articles that don't list anything if only Country is known.– Sabbatino ( talk) 10:30, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
There's an ongoing discussion regarding the infobox's | playoff_appearances =
parameter at
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Basketball#Playoff appearances. –
Sabbatino (
talk)
13:09, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
Is there any consensus regarding his name in the article before the 1990–91 NBA season? It is stated in his article – On March 9, 1991, he altered his name from Akeem to the more conventional spelling of Hakeem... 1986 NBA Finals, 1984–85, 1985–86, 1987–88, 1988–89 and 1989–90 articles refer to him as Hakeem with 1986–87 being the only article referring to him as Akeem. Should his name be altered to correct spelling of that time or it should be left as it is now? – Sabbatino ( talk) 14:14, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
Name alteration: Hakeem → Akeem
Done. – Sabbatino ( talk) 12:34, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
How should Ladner's #4 be treated? 2015–16 NBA guide lists it as retired, but according to Nets (at least that person mentioned in the article) – it isn't retired (there used to be an official statement from the Nets, but I can't find it anymore). And no mention of Ladner can be found on Nets' official website. Any thoughts would be appreciated. – Sabbatino ( talk) 09:09, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
Update: 2015–16 Nets media guide (page 251) doesn't mention Ladner either. – Sabbatino ( talk) 09:17, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
I have noticed that NBA franchise infoboxes have started cropping up on current head coach articles (such as Template:Phoenix Suns on Earl Watson's article). I want to see if there is a way to avoid doing this. In their current state, the current head coach, GM, etc. do appear on the franchise templates (along with the broadcasting team), but I thought that we had created the coach chronology templates ( Template:Phoenix Suns coach navbox) in large part to get coaches off these templates so that an extra, fairly generic, template didn't exist on the articles. For a current head coach, they already have three templates denoting this status - their "current roster" template, the coach chronology template, and Template:NBACoach. I would like to propose that we take current head coach off the franchise template, and would further suggest that we consider removing other individuals as well (front office, broadcasting teams, etc). Basketball articles suffer from "over-templating" as it is and this feels wholly unnecessary. It definitely feels like we should take coaches off, and that is my formal suggestion, but let's discuss what is on the templates generally. It feels weird to me to go to Tim Kempton's article (for example) and then have to sort through a very long, generic "Phoenix Suns" template to figure out why he's on it (he's an announcer). Rikster2 ( talk) 13:39, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
Agree that cleanup is in order. Looking at Template:Los Angeles Clippers, Template:Los Angeles Lakers, and Template:Cleveland Cavaliers, it seems the following generally should be done:
— Bagumba ( talk) 03:52, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
I never knew there was a |misc=
field for
Template:NBA season. Someone used it to add a note about players' rookie years or Kobe's final season in the infoboxes at
2015–16 Los Angeles Lakers season and
2014–15 Los Angeles Lakers season. Stockton's final season seems to have been noted forever at
2002–03 Utah Jazz season.
|misc=
?— Bagumba ( talk) 00:22, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
Seems like the division, conference, and NBA champions indicator was
standardized in the template in 2015. However,
300+ articles still use misc for that and other info. They include "Atlantic Division Champions" at
1988–89 New York Knicks season, "20th Season in Sacramento" for
2005–06 Sacramento Kings season, "Eighth NBA Championship" for
1964–65 Boston Celtics season, etc. If someone is looking for
gnomish work, feel free to covert to the standard params for the championships Afterwards, we can just delete |misc=
support from the template, unless there is objection.—
Bagumba (
talk)
03:33, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
I think people generally know about MOS:OVERLINK. However, should we apply this to tables, such as awards winners, where players often repeat? MOS:DUPLINK allows that "if helpful for readers, a link may be repeated in infoboxes, tables, image captions, footnotes, hatnotes, and at the first occurrence after the lead." This makes sense, because we dont generally expect a reader to read a table from beginning to end, and have already clicked on a link beforehand if they were interested. One usually only browses the time period they are interested in. Without multiple links, one has to scroll or do a search to find the first mention to click on the link.
For WP:NBA, there is a strong precent to encourage duplicate links in tables. List of National Basketball Association awards is a Featured Topic. All of its lists are FLs, and they all repeat links in their respective table for both team and players that have received the award multiple times. At All-NBA Development League Team, Jrcla2 wants to unlink them, and has reverted DaHuzyBru and myself a few times, and has said All-NBA Team should remove duplicate links as well. He asked that someone else start a discussion.
Should we continue project and MOS precedence to allow duplicate links in tables?— Bagumba ( talk) 01:44, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
I have a question regarding these tables. Should Hall of Famers tables be kept in teams' articles? I remember last year some editors were discussing about removing all of them and converting them to prose, but nothing happened. I put much time in creating these tables for many teams; however, I don't think those tables bring anything good to the articles and just take unnecessary place. In my opinion, all of them should be converted to prose and put into a separate page. The best example is Boston Celtics' article which links to List of Boston Celtics accomplishments and records, where all records, awards and other historical trivia is placed. Any thoughts would be appreciated. – Sabbatino ( talk) 10:21, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
My initial proposal was to make those HOF tables into lists. That's because of teams like Celtics, Lakers, Knicks and all older teams that have many players/coaches/contributors, but to keep it fair, every team should have a HOF list instead of a table. My main example would be New York Rangers#Hall-of-Famers (Hockey Hall of Fame). Imagine how would that table look like and it becomes clear that a list is the better choice in dealing with this issue. – Sabbatino ( talk) 08:27, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
As I see, there's no conclusion to this issue. There's a new issue with this kind of tables, which is the addition of City/State Hall of Fame tables. I understand that Naismith/FIBA HOF tables are relevant, regardless of me wanting to convert them into lists, however I can't say the same about other HOF tables as seen here. In my opinion, that is in no way related to the teams and doesn't add anything good apart from more unnecessary trivia. – Sabbatino ( talk) 12:46, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
Question: Should an NBA team's main article (e.g. Los Angeles Lakers) contain a list of former team members who have been inducted into the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame?
All- Trying to reach consensus on how many rounds should be displayed on yearly WNBA draft templates at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Basketball/Women's basketball/Archives/2020/April#WNBA draft templates. This discussion could use more and broader input to get to a guideline. Thanks. Rikster2 ( talk) 13:21, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
For players that play both SG and PG, or SF and PF, should we enumerate each position in their infobox (e.g. Point guard/ Shooting guard) or just the generic position (e.g. Guard)? Listing each one makes it explicit that they play both without the reader having to guess, while the generic format is shorter but ambiguous if, say, a listed guard is really just a PG. Remember, only recently have we added specific positions, so Elgin Baylor, a SF, continues to be listed as just "Forward". If space isn't an issue, I'd say list the two positions. An exception would be ones like GF or FS, I don't want to see "Small forward / Power forward / Shooting guard"—use "Guard / Forward".— Bagumba ( talk) 02:46, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
In all honesty I think we should just emulate the NBA and most media and use generic positions. It is a little simpler. I know some players do play one designated position (i.e. Russell Westbrook is a point guard and a PG ONLY), but we can simply say their specific positions in their opening paragraphs so readers can still link to the positions if they want to learn more. For example Kobe Bryant's infobox can say only "Guard", but one of the first sentences of his article can state "He has started at the shooting guard position." Allen Iverson and LeBron James' articles are good examples of this esp since Iverson played both guard positions and James plays both forward positions. This is just my honest opinion. IT would make classifying infoboxes alot simpler: either chose Guard(G), Forward(F) or Center(C) and if a player does more than one than a slash is more than sufficient. 2601:82:C001:12D0:55:AE4:174D:5B21 ( talk) 17:18, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
AFAICS, there is no new consensus to change players that play both forward positions (SF/PF) to be listed as a generic Forward, nor to list players that play both guard positions (PG/SG) to be listed as a generic Guard. Above, Banan14kab acknowledged that "So the general consensus seems to be to keep specific positions". However, Banan14kab continues to revert this for Robert Horry, Derek Fisher, Jason Terry, and Kirk Hinrich. Per WP:NOCONSENSUS, "a lack of consensus commonly results in retaining the version of the article as it was prior to the proposal or bold edit". I'm not sure why these reverts with no consensus are continuing.— Bagumba ( talk) 16:05, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
Well at this point it seems specific positions are favorable over generic ones. Listing three position is definitely overkill and should be the only time generic positions are used. Otherwise everyone seems to prefer specific ones, which even I've come to agree with. It's just easier and makes sense. Even if a player plays both guard positions or both forward positions, using generic positions aren't necessarily needed. We need to establish a final ruling for every situation so this can finally be over with. I'm tired of being accused of edit-warring and vandalism when I thought I was doing what was best for the articles just as I do on every wiki site I've edited on. Also for the special case of LeBron, he plays similar to a guard, but is official a forward and has been at the forward positions his whole career. He's an unofficial "guard" because he can pretty much do everything. That's why people say he's like a point-forward (an informal term). Banan14kab ( talk) 19:49, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
We need to establish a final ruling for every situation": Be careful. I think you've summarized the general rule, but it's not to say there can't be exceptions. One of the Five Pillars is "Wikipedia has no firm rules". There can be exceptions, but they are subject to consensus, not constant reversions. Thanks.— Bagumba ( talk) 20:39, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
Season | Team | Conference | Conf. Finish |
Division | Div. Finish |
Wins | Losses | Win% | GB | Playoffs | Awards | Head coach |
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1974–75 | 1974–75 | Western | 4th | Pacific | 2nd | 43 | 39 | .524 | 5 | Won
First Round vs.
Detroit Pistons, 2–1 Lost Conference Semifinals to Golden State Warriors, 4–2 |
Bill Russell |
Just look at the Playoffs column. It now suggests that they lost and won at the same time. This mistake (I think it's a mistake) can be seen in every NBA team's article. Or is this the common practice at List of [insert team] seasons articles? – Sabbatino ( talk) 18:53, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
I see no-one opposes, so I will start changing this when I have more time. – Sabbatino ( talk) 07:08, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
There are a whole bunch of news articles describing Masai Ujiri as the first African-born GM in a major US sports league. But according to this, he was actually born in Bournemouth, England, leaving when he was 9 months old. It seems to me that he is not technically "African-born". Any thoughts on how to proceed with this article? Zagalejo ^^^ 00:38, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
There has been a great deal of activity on this article through the draft declaration and combine process. To the extent that early entry candidates have been broken out into lists of those who attended the combine vs. those who didn't. Over time, where the article will primarily be referenced to see who was picked where, I feel like some of this stuff needs to be taken out, collapsed, etc. It's not really an article about the draft combine. Thoughts? Rikster2 ( talk) 12:45, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
There seems to be a growing trend of adding sections like Flip Saunders#Notable players and coaching tree that list any any all coaches that played or coached under someone. I don't think this is generally notable, and it just seems trivial unless there is supporting prose that explains how a coach was considered a mentor. What do others think?— Bagumba ( talk) 19:08, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
Something needs to be done with the user that created them. Today this same crap was re-added to Brad Stevens' article. Of course I took action and removed it again. That user ignores all warnings and just blanks its talk page without any discussion. – Sabbatino ( talk) 21:31, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
Does this have to include NBA Player of the Month, NBA Coach of the Month and NBA Rookie of the Month awards? All of these awards are covered in each team season's article. They aren't notable to have such honor, because 1 or even 5 years later no-one will remember that Player X got Something of the Month award. – Sabbatino ( talk) 08:50, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
Some relatively new user added |captain=
parameter to various NBA teams' infoboxes (and some European teams). Of course I removed them. However, I want to know if such parameter is useful at all? Any thoughts? –
Sabbatino (
talk)
19:43, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
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Jrcla2 ( talk) 21:00, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
News outlets are reporting that no matter the outcome of the 2016 NBA Finals, Anderson Varejão will be a champion. These two specifically [3] [4] are stating that because Varejão played on the Cavs and the Warriors in 2015–16, he is guaranteed to receive his first NBA ring. I disagree with this analogy. If the Cavs win, just because Varejão was a Cav during the season, doesn't mean he's a champion Cav. That would mean any player who was on a 10-day contract with a subsequent championship team, or any player who was waived during the season, would be a champion, and that doesn't make sense. Should Malcolm Thomas (basketball, born 1988) be deemed a champion because he played one game for the Spurs in 2013–14? No. If Varejão becomes a champion because he was a Cav during the season, that should mean Joe Harris (basketball) should be deemed a champion too. Is it not only those on the 15-man Finals squad that are deemed champions? Damion James, for example, was a champion Spur in 2014 because he was on their squad despite him not suiting up once. This Varejão nonsense is ridiculous in my opinion. Thoughts? DaHuzyBru ( talk) 10:28, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
I presume the main concern is with a player's infobox listing "NBA champion"? If a ring is really the criteria for that, I'm almost certain the team can decide whoever they want to give one to. And I think LeBron was close to him, which can't hurt his chances. What if GS gives one to Kevon Looney, even though he won't play in offseason? These are bit players, so it makes it easier to discount them and not call them champions. It'd be a more compelling argument if we were talking an All-Star or future HOFer who suffered a season-ending injury and never played in playoffs.— Bagumba ( talk) 02:02, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
I am about to go on vacation for almost a week and won't be on Wikipedia, but I just noticed User:Basketballfan12 is creating lots of non-notable NBA personnel's stubs. They're incomplete, reference-less, category-less, etc. Can someone please jump in and educate him on how to make a notable biography, and to learn how to create one more correctly so no more kittens are spread everywhere? Jrcla2 ( talk) 01:54, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
Here's what I would suggest for the concerns raised here. Per WP:CIVILITY, editors are expected to respond to good faith questions. Repeatedly failing to do so could result in a block. Before proceeding, I would expect to see diffs to discussions showing multiple requests with no good faith responses. If the AfD closes show a pattern of questionable article creation, a WP:TBAN might be order on basketball article creations. That could be requested at WP:ANI. If there are articles whose notability is in doubt, a PROD or AfD is the most effective way to determine if there is a valid concern or not.— Bagumba ( talk) 03:20, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
For the record, outcome of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bruce Wilson (basketball), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maxie Esho, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kevin Capers, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dylan Murphy (2nd nomination), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark Daigneault, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brian Walsh (basketball) were delete. Past speedy deletions are Jarrell Christian, Matt Woodley. There are also baseball AfDs that ended with delete at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jack Marder, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Max Perlman, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oren Gal, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Orr Gottleib, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeremy Gould. Richard Bleier was a PROD that was deleted.— Bagumba ( talk) 05:10, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
There is a topic ban proposal at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Proposed_topic_ban_for_User:Basketballfan12.— Bagumba ( talk) 02:30, 4 June 2016 (UTC)