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With the 2019 W Series having concluded and the top 12 drivers being guaranteed a place in th 2020 W Series, an article should now be created. Mjroots ( talk) 10:17, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
I've noticed that a lot of race car model articles are redirects to the article of the manufacturer, but in many cases these are very unhelpful, as the parent article doesn't even mention the model in question. Surely it would be better if these redirects were deleted, and only recreated if there is a section of the parent article discussing the model, or if someone wants to create a full article? I feel like having blue links for things that really don't exist is just going to discourage people from creating the articles, and would also be quite annoying for readers since they click the link and find no information about the model name they clicked on.
For example, looking at Brabham:
I think the above is everything for Brabham, at least it should be for all the models mentioned in the Motor Racing Developments infobox unless I've missed one.
Brabham is not an isolated case, with many others, for example McLaren, Lola and Dallara having similar problems. A7V2 ( talk) 01:26, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
Brabham BT18
, [[Brabham BT18]]
or [[Brabham]] BT18
depending on if an article would be viable on the topic and if the construcor has/hasn't already been mentioned.
SSSB (
talk) 08:15, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
I've started a draft User:A7V2/1960 Formula Two season and would like to bring it to the attention of any interested editors. For those who don't know in 1960 there was an international championship for both drivers and constructors, in part since 1960 F2 became F1 in 1961. I'm planning to more or less follow the same layout as 1960 Formula One season. For references I'll mainly be using Autocourse 1960 pt 2 and formula2.net [1]. I've chosen the name because I needed to pick a name, if others have a better idea that's fine. Anyway, if you would like to help, or provide feedback or advice, that would be appreciated. Thanks. A7V2 ( talk) 09:55, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
The Anthoine Hubert article has been nominated for ITN, either as a blurb or RD. Complaints are being received that the results sections are completely unreferenced - an issue which is preventing the article's appearance on the Main Page and which seems to affect most, if not all, driver articles. Can we sort out the referencing issues please? Mjroots ( talk) 04:04, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Talk:2019 Spa-Francorchamps FIA Formula 2 round about what to do with results tables in the event a race is abandoned before a result is cancelled that might be of relevance to the WikiProject. Mclarenfan17 ( talk) 09:53, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
Maikelvangorkom has made two drafts, Draft:Racing Team Nederland and Draft:John Bosch but has had no contributions for the last 7 months and the articles have been in limbo. I believe they are notable per Wikipedia:Notability (sports)#Motorsports and with some rewriting and additional references can be promoted out of Drafts so I would like to bring them to the attention of any interested editors. Bobi.1 ( talk) 14:01, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place as to whether Portal:Motorsport is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The page will be discussed at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Motorsport until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the page during the discussion, including to improve the page to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the deletion notice from the top of the page. Certes ( talk) 15:37, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
The consensus is that per Wikipedia:Verifiability, the results section in all motorsport articles (championships, races, driver etc) is required to be fully referenced.
Re the above appeal, and the subsequent tagging of the Anthoine Hubert article with {{ unreferenced section}}, combined with the lack of response which has kept the article off the Main Page under RD, the issue needs to be thrashed out. I'm placing the RFC here as the main parent project for motorsports.
Should the results section in all motorsport articles (championships, races, driver etc) be required to be fully referenced or not? Mjroots ( talk) 14:16, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Hello, can you give me sources that claim that the Grandes Épreuves were held since 1906 and not since 1923, as shown this page. If there are no sources, it must be changed. -- Adriel 00 ( talk) 17:17, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
Hello, I am about to create a category about European Championship drivers, as mentioned in the "Final Championship standings" section of the "Grand Prix season". Should I also include drivers from the unfinished seasons of 1933, 1934 and 1939? What should the category be called?. Thank you! -- Adriel 00 ( talk) 20:37, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
I'd like to increase the scope of Monaco Grand Prix Formula Three support race and maybe move the article to something like Monaco Grand Prix support races. Currently the article discusses only the 1950,1964-97,2005 F3 and 1959-63 F Junior races, but I feel it would be more appropriate for the article to also discuss other major supporting races of the Grand Prix, namely the 1936 Coupes Prince Ranier (Voiturette), 1937 sports car race, 1952 under 2L sports car race (the year the Grand Prix was run for sports cars), 1998-2004 F3000, 2005-2016 GP2 and 2017-present F2. Potentially also could mention the GP3 race 2012 and the various Formula Renault races since 2003. I don't think it would be worth discussing much about the one-make sports car races for BMW M1s, Jag XJR-15s or Porsche Supercup. So long as no-one objects I will do it soon, but I wonder what others think about the article name, or what the exact scope should be. Thanks. A7V2 ( talk) 22:41, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
I have made the move to Monaco Grand Prix support races and will start incorporating the other information into it. A7V2 ( talk) 09:44, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
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Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Formula One#By year sections in Grand Prix articles about if list of winners should be chronological or reverse chronological. Interested editors are welcome to contribute.
SSSB (
talk) 13:08, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
I've floated some ideas in the hope of increasing participation for FAC reviews of sports related articles at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sports#FAC reviewing of sports articles if anyone is interested in the idea or has a better one. Kosack ( talk) 09:15, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
What's the preferred/standard heading for the "Fastest laps" column in driver "Career summary" tables? I thought the standard heading was "F/Laps" (see Mick Schumacher, Nicolas Hamilton, Sean Gelael), but I've noticed a few variations, e.g. "FLaps" ( Lando Norris, Lance Stroll) and "F/laps" ( Nicholas Latifi). Thoughts? DH85868993 ( talk) 08:59, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
F/laps
(code is as follows:[[Fastest lap|{{abbr|F/laps|Fastest laps}}]]
) so that people actually know what it stands for and what a fastest lap is but I'm getting off topic. It should be F/laps or F/Laps and it doesn't really matter if there is inconsistancy from article to article between the two.Should Arrow McLaren SP's results be credited to McLaren, e.g. under McLaren#American open-wheel racing results? The team itself is not owned by McLaren, it's a continuation of Schmidt-Peterson with McLaren branding, but McLaren have a significant hand in day-to-day operations. To be clear, I'm only asking if results should be listed on the McLaren article in addition to the Arrow McLaren SP article, not instead of. I'm leaning toward "yes" as I think the relationship is very similar to McLaren and Andretti in 2017, especially since it's a McLaren employee ( Gil de Ferran) running the team. Lazer-kitty ( talk) 15:42, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
Draft:Fred Opert was rejected for notability reasons. As I wrote on the author's talk page:
Can anyone here help with the draft (in particular with sources and proving notability), or put me in my place and advise me that Mr Opert is not notable? [I have no connection with the subject and no prior knowledge; I feel like the name rings a vague bell if anything].
Also, was the Daytona 24 considered a world class professional event in the 1960s? -- kingboyk ( talk) 16:49, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
2019 F4 Argentina Championship was cancelled. The articule of 2020 season say that will be the first season. I think that the article of 2019 season should be deleted, and clarify in the championship article that there were intentions to make the first in 2019 but it was canceled. -- Adriel 00 ( talk) 18:21, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
Hello all, I've started a discussion at Talk:Melbourne Grand Prix Circuit regarding moving the article to either Albert Park Circuit or Albert Park Grand Prix Circuit and invite interested editors to participate there. Thanks. A7V2 ( talk) 00:22, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
In a motorsport series where there are permanent driver numbers, but a defending champion can use no 1 (his personal choice). What number if any should be used in next season article? I personally think if we don't have a direct source that supports a specific number, we should write "TBA". Another user, Mclarenfan17 insists using the permanent driver number until proven otherwise. So it started an edit war with lots of anon users also involved.
Pelmeen10 ( talk) 18:30, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
as the defending champion driver X can chose to enter the season with the number 1, at least in Formula One (not sure about other series) this is the stance reliable sources take.
But that undermines the sources given in the article, no it doesn't, the source states:
#1 reserved for the World Rally champion(and that source talks the 2019 season, not 2020). And even if it didn't state that #1 is reserved you can find a source which does because we all know its true. To quote your own edit summary
"Can" does not mean "will", Tanak can choose to use 8 next season, or he can choose to use 1.
It does indeed undermine the source because it means he might not be #8 despite what the sources say. The source says he is #8, but the note says he might not be. Mclarenfan17 ( talk) 00:10, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
#1 reserved for the World Rally champion, Tanak is the World Rally Champion.
that says #8 is his number for the duration of his career, no it doesn't. It states that drivers are allowed permenant numbers and it states that Tanak's number is 8. It doesn't state that Tanak isn't allowed to use the
#1 reserved for the World Rally champion. Therefore the article states that Tanak (as reigning World Champion) is allowed to race with either 1 or his permenant number (8).
@ SSSB: no, I'm going to ignore him because his actions amount to wikihounding, a form of harassment:
Tvx1's only contributions to WRC articles have either been to oppose me or to suggests edits that he knows I disagree with. He never actually adds anything to the articles. Just look at his edit history—despite WP:MOTOR covering the full scope of motorsport articles and Tvx1's insistence on including the note, he has only bothered to add it to a WRC article, even though he knows multiple other series use this numbering system. This happens quite frequently. We recently had something of an unspoken truce going, but once I became active in a Formula 1 discussion, he decided to make like difficult on WRC articles. Mclarenfan17 ( talk) 21:11, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
Yet, we can also produce sources that he is allowed to choose using number 1 at present. No one is removing number 8 or suggesting doing so. Including the note just makes the situation factually correct as it is quite literally the blatant truth. It is NOT certain that he WILL use #8 in 2020. He HAS a choice, which we can prove.which Tvx1 posted above or the comments currently at the bottom of this thread. It has recently occured to me that we should advertise at the child projects and after a few days we might be able to find a consensus (assuming no additional comments of substance, i.e. not personal attacks) which we can apply to all relevant articles. I will advertise this discussion tomorrow morning at some point because you two (Tvx1 and Mclarenfan17) have successfully driven me to the edge of sanity with you accusations.
#1 reserved for the World Rally championand that Tanak will use 8. As Tvx1 just pointed out its the truth so if it bothers you that much find a source, or don't becuase none of the other driver numbers are sourced.
17. SEASONALLY ALLOCATED COMPETITION NUMBERS
17.1 MANUFACTURERS P1 drivers may request a specific number provided that the application is endorsed by the FIA and the Promoter. Number 1 may only be chosen by the World Champion driver of the previous season. Requested numbers may not be greater than 99.
@ SSSB:
Yet, we can also produce sources that he is allowed to choose using number 1 at present. No one is removing number 8 or suggesting doing so. Including the note just makes the situation factually correct as it is quite literally the blatant truth. It is NOT certain that he WILL use #8 in 2020. He HAS a choice, which we can prove.which Tvx1 posted above or the comments currently at the bottom of this thread."
I feel that highlighting the choice is somewhat short-sighted. It proritises right now at the expense of a long-term view. The Monte is two months away and the entry list will probably be published in six weeks at the most. Tänak's choice has no tangible effect on the championship; it won't affect his position in the running order the way it used to. The personalised numbers are purely for identification purposes and right now Tänak is most associated with #8.
Furthermore, Tvx1's argument is that these are "seasonal" numbers and so drivers may have to go through this process of nominating a new number each year. This might be as it appears in the regulations, and while regulations are definitive, they may also be too close to a self-published source. I cannot find any third-party or supplementary sources (eg Autosport, Speedcafe, etc.) that support this claim. It's not unheard of for competitors to change numbers—Maverick Viñales did it in MotoGP and Supercars teams can do it, too—but there is usually a specific mechanism in place to make it happen (such as Racing Entitlement Contracts in Supercars), and I can find no evidence of that being the case in the WRC. Mclarenfan17 ( talk) 23:20, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
@ Tvx1 and Pelmeen10: I'm still waiting on those sources that prove your "seasonal numbers" theory. Because the regulations do not specifically state that a driver must re-apply for a number each year, and I cannot find any other sources to support the idea. If you do not have these sources or cannot find them, that's fine, but it would be nice if you acknowledged it so that the discussion can move on. Mclarenfan17 ( talk) 23:20, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
Because the regulations do not specifically state that a driver must re-apply for a number each year- nor do they say they can keep the same number year on year.
I cannot find any other sources to support the idea.- But I can find sources which state that he can choose 1 or his personal number as the defending champion (which is the subject of this discussion) ( [4] and [5] are two example) therefore it would be inaccurate to only state that he could use 8 regardless as to whether he can/can't use a number besides 1 and 8. TBC should really be used.
No, we can prove that the FIA refers to them as "seasonal numbers". The term only appears in the title of section 17 and is never defined in the regulations. Mclarenfan17 ( talk) 09:12, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
If Tänak chooses #1, he cannot and will not use it until 2020.- the article in question is about what happens in 2020 not what is ahppeneing now. And we know they will be defending their championship. Therefore Tanak is entitled to use #1 and to state he is using #8 is WP:OR, to state that he is using #8 with a footnote stating he could choose #1 is misleading (it implies that he has stated he will use #8 but might change his mind before the entry list is released). In my mind the only way to avoid being miisleading is to place TBA or TBC with a footnote stating that he can choose as defending champion.
In the case of the WRC, I have found several sources. First, the FIA:
In order to give consistent identity to drivers and assist with promotion, Priority 1 drivers will be free to choose their permanent car number from 2019, except number 1, which will always be reserved for the reigning World Rally Champion.
This is also on wrc.com, which says:
Factory-entered drivers can choose their own permanent car number, except for the reigning world champion who will always carry No 1.
It's also being published by third-party sources, including Autosport:
The FIA confirmed the WRC would follow Formula 1's lead and allow drivers to carry permanent numbers at the October meeting of the World Motor Sport Council.
And also on Speedcafe:
Another change to the sporting regulations concerns car numbering, with factory World Rally Car drivers now allowed to choose their own permanent numbers akin to the system which Formula 1 has employed for the past five years.
Notice how the keep referring to "permanent" numbers and that there is no mention of drivers needing to renew or reapply for numbers every year. I will also add that these sources are source #1, #62, #63 and #64 in the 2019 WRC article and are used to detail the introduction of the number system. On the other hand, the sporting regulations only refer to "seasonal" numbers in the title of section 17 of the regulations. There is nothing in the body of the regulations that uses the word. I have tried searching for sources that support this interpretation, but the only results I get are related to this discussion. Therefore, I find this claim to be original research (or at least as close as you can get to it):
Having taken another look at the sources in the article, as well as at the sporting regulations, I'm no longer convinced that these drivers/crews have chosen career numbers. Neither the sources, nor the regulations mention "career numbers". They all actually talk about season/seasonal numbers. It seems like they only reserve a number for the duration of a season.
I'm not really sure how you can come to the conclusion that "permanent numbers" means "a number that a driver only uses for one season". If you have some source that supports the claim, please share or, or else I think it is fair to say that the subject—at least in the case of the WRC—is closed. Mclarenfan17 ( talk) 05:50, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
Because in the case of WRC, in the past crews would often use different numbers at different rallies. Now the numbers are fixed for the entire season.
26. SEASONALLY ALLOCATED COMPETITION NUMBERS
26.1 MANUFACTURERS
P1 drivers may request a specific number provided that the application is endorsed by the FIA and the Promoter. Number 1 may only be chosen by the World Champion driver of the previous season. Requested numbers may not be greater than 99.
26.2 OTHER DRIVERS
Competition numbers shall be allocated rally by rally, according to the provisional classification of the Championships concerned.
We need evidence that the numbers stay the same year to year, which none of your comment above proves.
The living proof to my claim ist that Sebastien Loeb has #9 now
Nothing is dubunked.
@ SSSB:
I do not think that enough evidence has been provided to suggest that drivers need to re apply for numbers every year
No evidence has been provided at this point. Tvx1 and Pelmeen10 have either refused to provide sources when asked, flat-out ignored requests for sources, or have changed the subject. All they have is a single use of ghe word "seasonal" in the title of Article 26 of the sporting regulations (the word "seasonal" does not even appear in the body of Articke 26) and a link to a purported Rally Sweden entry list (which has not been published yet by Rally Sweden) that provides to context as to how a number has changed. If you Google wrc "seasonal numbers"
, the only hit you get related to the subject is a link to this page. Meanwhile, I have provided four sources—from the FIA, wrc.com, Autosport and Speedcafe—that all clearly use the phrase "permanent numbers". In my view, Tvx1 and Pelmeen10 are bordering on
original research with this claim of seasonal numbers.
Mclarenfan17 (
talk) 14:00, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
All they have is a single use of ghe word "seasonal" in the title of Article 26 of the sporting regulations- that is evidence, but as I implied above and you have said explicitly they are using WP:SYNTH to argue what they think it means (or at least thats my analysis).
It's not only Loeb with different number. Katsuta is listed with #17 in our article, but that number is given to Ogier [6]. That source also gives #69 to Kalle Rovanperä, but the number was Juho Hänninen's last year. In 2019, Craig Breen used #18 and #42, while the #33 was used by both Greensmith (who also used #44) and Evans. Pelmeen10 ( talk) 18:25, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
Katsuta is listed with #17 in our article, but that number is given to Ogier [7].
That source also gives #69 to Kalle Rovanperä, but the number was Juho Hänninen's last year.
In 2019, Craig Breen used #18 and #42, while the #33 was used by both Greensmith (who also used #44) and Evans.
That's more than enough that evidence that these numbers of the Priority 1 crews are not automatically carried over to the next season and thus clearly not career numbers.
It's time now for you to admit (firstly to yourself) that you were wrong.
By the way Hänninen is expected to compete this season. As a co-driver.
we cannot assume anything- but the only person assuming anything is you, you are assuming the numbers will remain the same when clearly they've changed. I will repeat myself Tvx1 has not proved that drivers need to reapply, but he has proved they can change, therefore WRC article must have TBA for driver numbers until a source comes out which confirms the driver number for that specific year (not the source which confirms a previous years number).
WRC article must have TBA for driver numbers until a source comes out which confirms the driver number for that specific year (not the source which confirms a previous years number)
All that does is contradict existing sources.
The source showing Loeb and Katsuta using different numbers also shows Neuville, Tanak, Lappi, Suninen, Evans and Greensmith using the same numbers. Ignoring that and concentrating on Loeb and Katsuta is cherry-picking.
The obvious solution to this problem is to do what Supercars Championship articles do and assume that the numbers remain the same (as per the sources) until such time as evidence of a change emerges. Mclarenfan17 ( talk) 23:48, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
All that does is contradict existing sources.- it contradicts secondry sources but it is directly supported by Primary sources (i.e. FIA entry lists). The FIA entry lists are significantly more reliable than secondry sources which have been wrong in the past ( like here) and are clearly wrong now.
Ignoring that and concentrating on Loeb and Katsuta is cherry-picking- you misunderstand what WP:CHERRY says, this being evident from the fact that from your interpretation of WP:CHERRY implies you are also cherry picking - by ignoring Loeb and Katsuta. We are ignoring everyone else because there numbers are irrelevant. The fact is numbers can change and the FIA entry list proves this. Therefore doing what they do in Supercars Championship and what you propose to do in WRC (assuming the numbers stay the same) is WP:OR at best.
it contradicts secondry sources but it is directly supported by Primary sources (i.e. FIA entry lists). The FIA entry lists are significantly more reliable than secondry sources which have been wrong in the past
The FIA does in this article announcing and explaining the key changes to the sporting regulations:
In order to give consistent identity to drivers and assist with promotion, Priority 1 drivers will be free to choose their permanent car number from 2019, except number 1, which will always be reserved for the reigning World Rally Champion.
There is nothing in the 2020 regulations to contradict this.
And who publishes the entry list is very relevant. You claimed they come from the FIA, which gives them authority—except they don't come from the FIA at all. Mclarenfan17 ( talk) 11:26, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
This is the claim that you have yet to prove:
I'm no longer convinced that these drivers/crews have chosen career numbers. Neither the sources, nor the regulations mention "career numbers". They all actually talk about season/seasonal numbers. It seems like they only reserve a number for the duration of a season.
First, none of the sources talk about "seasonal numbers". The phrase only appears in the title of Article 26 of the Sporting Regulations. Secondly, I have provided sources from the FIA, wrc.com, Autosport and Speedcafe that all detail the use of permanent numbers. But most important is this part:
It seems like they only reserve a number for the duration of a season.
This suggests that a driver retains a number for one year at which point they lose that number and must reapply for it at the beginning of the next year. You have not provided any evidence that this is the case. The only evidence you have so far (which you only got weeks after making the initial claim) demonstates that two numbers have changed. It does not give any context to how that number change came about, so it does not support your "seasonal number" theory at all. Mclarenfan17 ( talk) 00:13, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
lasting or intended to last or remain unchanged indefinitely. You would have us believe that "permanent" means something else. Mclarenfan17 ( talk) 23:26, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
FWIW, as an uninvolved editor, I checked the FIA rules. In 2018 the rules for seasonable competition numbers were:
MANUFACTURERS The World Champion driver of the previous season is allocated number 1. The second driver of the World Champion’s team is allocated number 2 and the third driver, if applicable, number 3. Using the same system, the numbers are then allocated by the FIA according to the classification of the previous year’s Manufacturers’ Championship. Remaining P1 drivers, other than those using a number under Art. 17.3, shall be allocated sequential numbers by the organiser up to number 30. 2018 rules - section 17.1
Then the rules changed in 2019 to:
MANUFACTURERS P1 drivers may request a specific number provided that the application is endorsed by the FIA and the Promoter. Number 1 may only be chosen by the World Champion driver of the previous season. Requested numbers may not be greater than 99. 2019 rules - section 17.1
There is nothing about the numbers being permanent. What they do allow is for P1 drivers to apply to the FIA and the promoter for the number, and they can endorse the number. What we have here is a convention that allows for numbers to be reused every year. In all likelihood the WRC and FIA will, as they publicly stated, honor these numbers. The previous rules clearly did not allow this, now with the change they are allowed to allocate numbers as they see fit. And likely some drivers (or all drivers!) will have their same numbers every year. But this is not set it stone, and there may well be some drivers whose applications are not endorsed. - Chris.sherlock ( talk) 13:21, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
I plan to change this template to show only metres/yards (in either order) or kms/miles (in either order) rather than how it currently is which is quite weird and places a strange emphasis on the Imperial measurements (prioritising "miles (yards)"). Please raise any objections at Template talk:Infobox hillclimb venue. Thanks. A7V2 ( talk) 03:44, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
It's hitting a Wikipedia technical limit causing templates to not work properly.
I've opened a discussion on what to do about it at Talk:Driver deaths in motorsport#This article is so big it is causing technical problems. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs) 18:09, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
The above article, vaguely within the realms of "motorsport", was recently replaced with a redirect. The article as it stood can be seen here. Does anybody think this is worth saving, and have the sources to do so, or do the articles Lucky Teter and Joie Chitwood adequately cover the subject? -- kingboyk ( talk) 14:55, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
The Arbitration Committee has accepted a request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Motorsports regarding two users contributing to this project. If anyone wishes to add evidence for arbitrators to consider, you can add it to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Motorsports/Evidence. Please add your evidence by March 13, 2020, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Motorsports/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. T v x1 23:18, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
Would someone from this WikiProject might taking a look at Anders Olsson (motocross driver) and Dick Olsson? Both articles were created by Dickolsson, who is claiming to be "Dick Olsson", and thus would have a clear WP:COI with respect to both subjects if that's the case. "Dick Olsson" was actually recently deleted per WP:PROD, but deprodded per this request at User talk:Explicit#Unfair proposed deletion of Dick Olsson. I'm not finding a lot of WP:SIGCOV about either individual which would meet WP:GNG or WP:BIO, but perhaps there is a more specific guideline for motorsports that both meet. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 02:05, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
There's quite a backlog of motorsport related articles in the Sports and recreation section at Good Articles nominees. Anyone who has not contributed significantly to (or nominated) an article under review may review it according to the good article criteria to decide whether or not to list it as a good article.
For example, Justin Wilson (racing driver) has been waiting for review since 8 November 2019, and some Grand Prix articles have been waiting since September. -- kingboyk ( talk) 01:44, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
An editor has suggested adding a "logo" field to Template:Infobox motorsport venue. Interested editors are welcome to contribute to the discussion. DH85868993 ( talk) 04:26, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
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With the 2019 W Series having concluded and the top 12 drivers being guaranteed a place in th 2020 W Series, an article should now be created. Mjroots ( talk) 10:17, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
I've noticed that a lot of race car model articles are redirects to the article of the manufacturer, but in many cases these are very unhelpful, as the parent article doesn't even mention the model in question. Surely it would be better if these redirects were deleted, and only recreated if there is a section of the parent article discussing the model, or if someone wants to create a full article? I feel like having blue links for things that really don't exist is just going to discourage people from creating the articles, and would also be quite annoying for readers since they click the link and find no information about the model name they clicked on.
For example, looking at Brabham:
I think the above is everything for Brabham, at least it should be for all the models mentioned in the Motor Racing Developments infobox unless I've missed one.
Brabham is not an isolated case, with many others, for example McLaren, Lola and Dallara having similar problems. A7V2 ( talk) 01:26, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
Brabham BT18
, [[Brabham BT18]]
or [[Brabham]] BT18
depending on if an article would be viable on the topic and if the construcor has/hasn't already been mentioned.
SSSB (
talk) 08:15, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
I've started a draft User:A7V2/1960 Formula Two season and would like to bring it to the attention of any interested editors. For those who don't know in 1960 there was an international championship for both drivers and constructors, in part since 1960 F2 became F1 in 1961. I'm planning to more or less follow the same layout as 1960 Formula One season. For references I'll mainly be using Autocourse 1960 pt 2 and formula2.net [1]. I've chosen the name because I needed to pick a name, if others have a better idea that's fine. Anyway, if you would like to help, or provide feedback or advice, that would be appreciated. Thanks. A7V2 ( talk) 09:55, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
The Anthoine Hubert article has been nominated for ITN, either as a blurb or RD. Complaints are being received that the results sections are completely unreferenced - an issue which is preventing the article's appearance on the Main Page and which seems to affect most, if not all, driver articles. Can we sort out the referencing issues please? Mjroots ( talk) 04:04, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Talk:2019 Spa-Francorchamps FIA Formula 2 round about what to do with results tables in the event a race is abandoned before a result is cancelled that might be of relevance to the WikiProject. Mclarenfan17 ( talk) 09:53, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
Maikelvangorkom has made two drafts, Draft:Racing Team Nederland and Draft:John Bosch but has had no contributions for the last 7 months and the articles have been in limbo. I believe they are notable per Wikipedia:Notability (sports)#Motorsports and with some rewriting and additional references can be promoted out of Drafts so I would like to bring them to the attention of any interested editors. Bobi.1 ( talk) 14:01, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place as to whether Portal:Motorsport is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The page will be discussed at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Motorsport until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the page during the discussion, including to improve the page to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the deletion notice from the top of the page. Certes ( talk) 15:37, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
The consensus is that per Wikipedia:Verifiability, the results section in all motorsport articles (championships, races, driver etc) is required to be fully referenced.
Re the above appeal, and the subsequent tagging of the Anthoine Hubert article with {{ unreferenced section}}, combined with the lack of response which has kept the article off the Main Page under RD, the issue needs to be thrashed out. I'm placing the RFC here as the main parent project for motorsports.
Should the results section in all motorsport articles (championships, races, driver etc) be required to be fully referenced or not? Mjroots ( talk) 14:16, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Hello, can you give me sources that claim that the Grandes Épreuves were held since 1906 and not since 1923, as shown this page. If there are no sources, it must be changed. -- Adriel 00 ( talk) 17:17, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
Hello, I am about to create a category about European Championship drivers, as mentioned in the "Final Championship standings" section of the "Grand Prix season". Should I also include drivers from the unfinished seasons of 1933, 1934 and 1939? What should the category be called?. Thank you! -- Adriel 00 ( talk) 20:37, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
I'd like to increase the scope of Monaco Grand Prix Formula Three support race and maybe move the article to something like Monaco Grand Prix support races. Currently the article discusses only the 1950,1964-97,2005 F3 and 1959-63 F Junior races, but I feel it would be more appropriate for the article to also discuss other major supporting races of the Grand Prix, namely the 1936 Coupes Prince Ranier (Voiturette), 1937 sports car race, 1952 under 2L sports car race (the year the Grand Prix was run for sports cars), 1998-2004 F3000, 2005-2016 GP2 and 2017-present F2. Potentially also could mention the GP3 race 2012 and the various Formula Renault races since 2003. I don't think it would be worth discussing much about the one-make sports car races for BMW M1s, Jag XJR-15s or Porsche Supercup. So long as no-one objects I will do it soon, but I wonder what others think about the article name, or what the exact scope should be. Thanks. A7V2 ( talk) 22:41, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
I have made the move to Monaco Grand Prix support races and will start incorporating the other information into it. A7V2 ( talk) 09:44, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
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SSSB (
talk) 13:08, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
I've floated some ideas in the hope of increasing participation for FAC reviews of sports related articles at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sports#FAC reviewing of sports articles if anyone is interested in the idea or has a better one. Kosack ( talk) 09:15, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
What's the preferred/standard heading for the "Fastest laps" column in driver "Career summary" tables? I thought the standard heading was "F/Laps" (see Mick Schumacher, Nicolas Hamilton, Sean Gelael), but I've noticed a few variations, e.g. "FLaps" ( Lando Norris, Lance Stroll) and "F/laps" ( Nicholas Latifi). Thoughts? DH85868993 ( talk) 08:59, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
F/laps
(code is as follows:[[Fastest lap|{{abbr|F/laps|Fastest laps}}]]
) so that people actually know what it stands for and what a fastest lap is but I'm getting off topic. It should be F/laps or F/Laps and it doesn't really matter if there is inconsistancy from article to article between the two.Should Arrow McLaren SP's results be credited to McLaren, e.g. under McLaren#American open-wheel racing results? The team itself is not owned by McLaren, it's a continuation of Schmidt-Peterson with McLaren branding, but McLaren have a significant hand in day-to-day operations. To be clear, I'm only asking if results should be listed on the McLaren article in addition to the Arrow McLaren SP article, not instead of. I'm leaning toward "yes" as I think the relationship is very similar to McLaren and Andretti in 2017, especially since it's a McLaren employee ( Gil de Ferran) running the team. Lazer-kitty ( talk) 15:42, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
Draft:Fred Opert was rejected for notability reasons. As I wrote on the author's talk page:
Can anyone here help with the draft (in particular with sources and proving notability), or put me in my place and advise me that Mr Opert is not notable? [I have no connection with the subject and no prior knowledge; I feel like the name rings a vague bell if anything].
Also, was the Daytona 24 considered a world class professional event in the 1960s? -- kingboyk ( talk) 16:49, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
2019 F4 Argentina Championship was cancelled. The articule of 2020 season say that will be the first season. I think that the article of 2019 season should be deleted, and clarify in the championship article that there were intentions to make the first in 2019 but it was canceled. -- Adriel 00 ( talk) 18:21, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
Hello all, I've started a discussion at Talk:Melbourne Grand Prix Circuit regarding moving the article to either Albert Park Circuit or Albert Park Grand Prix Circuit and invite interested editors to participate there. Thanks. A7V2 ( talk) 00:22, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
In a motorsport series where there are permanent driver numbers, but a defending champion can use no 1 (his personal choice). What number if any should be used in next season article? I personally think if we don't have a direct source that supports a specific number, we should write "TBA". Another user, Mclarenfan17 insists using the permanent driver number until proven otherwise. So it started an edit war with lots of anon users also involved.
Pelmeen10 ( talk) 18:30, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
as the defending champion driver X can chose to enter the season with the number 1, at least in Formula One (not sure about other series) this is the stance reliable sources take.
But that undermines the sources given in the article, no it doesn't, the source states:
#1 reserved for the World Rally champion(and that source talks the 2019 season, not 2020). And even if it didn't state that #1 is reserved you can find a source which does because we all know its true. To quote your own edit summary
"Can" does not mean "will", Tanak can choose to use 8 next season, or he can choose to use 1.
It does indeed undermine the source because it means he might not be #8 despite what the sources say. The source says he is #8, but the note says he might not be. Mclarenfan17 ( talk) 00:10, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
#1 reserved for the World Rally champion, Tanak is the World Rally Champion.
that says #8 is his number for the duration of his career, no it doesn't. It states that drivers are allowed permenant numbers and it states that Tanak's number is 8. It doesn't state that Tanak isn't allowed to use the
#1 reserved for the World Rally champion. Therefore the article states that Tanak (as reigning World Champion) is allowed to race with either 1 or his permenant number (8).
@ SSSB: no, I'm going to ignore him because his actions amount to wikihounding, a form of harassment:
Tvx1's only contributions to WRC articles have either been to oppose me or to suggests edits that he knows I disagree with. He never actually adds anything to the articles. Just look at his edit history—despite WP:MOTOR covering the full scope of motorsport articles and Tvx1's insistence on including the note, he has only bothered to add it to a WRC article, even though he knows multiple other series use this numbering system. This happens quite frequently. We recently had something of an unspoken truce going, but once I became active in a Formula 1 discussion, he decided to make like difficult on WRC articles. Mclarenfan17 ( talk) 21:11, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
Yet, we can also produce sources that he is allowed to choose using number 1 at present. No one is removing number 8 or suggesting doing so. Including the note just makes the situation factually correct as it is quite literally the blatant truth. It is NOT certain that he WILL use #8 in 2020. He HAS a choice, which we can prove.which Tvx1 posted above or the comments currently at the bottom of this thread. It has recently occured to me that we should advertise at the child projects and after a few days we might be able to find a consensus (assuming no additional comments of substance, i.e. not personal attacks) which we can apply to all relevant articles. I will advertise this discussion tomorrow morning at some point because you two (Tvx1 and Mclarenfan17) have successfully driven me to the edge of sanity with you accusations.
#1 reserved for the World Rally championand that Tanak will use 8. As Tvx1 just pointed out its the truth so if it bothers you that much find a source, or don't becuase none of the other driver numbers are sourced.
17. SEASONALLY ALLOCATED COMPETITION NUMBERS
17.1 MANUFACTURERS P1 drivers may request a specific number provided that the application is endorsed by the FIA and the Promoter. Number 1 may only be chosen by the World Champion driver of the previous season. Requested numbers may not be greater than 99.
@ SSSB:
Yet, we can also produce sources that he is allowed to choose using number 1 at present. No one is removing number 8 or suggesting doing so. Including the note just makes the situation factually correct as it is quite literally the blatant truth. It is NOT certain that he WILL use #8 in 2020. He HAS a choice, which we can prove.which Tvx1 posted above or the comments currently at the bottom of this thread."
I feel that highlighting the choice is somewhat short-sighted. It proritises right now at the expense of a long-term view. The Monte is two months away and the entry list will probably be published in six weeks at the most. Tänak's choice has no tangible effect on the championship; it won't affect his position in the running order the way it used to. The personalised numbers are purely for identification purposes and right now Tänak is most associated with #8.
Furthermore, Tvx1's argument is that these are "seasonal" numbers and so drivers may have to go through this process of nominating a new number each year. This might be as it appears in the regulations, and while regulations are definitive, they may also be too close to a self-published source. I cannot find any third-party or supplementary sources (eg Autosport, Speedcafe, etc.) that support this claim. It's not unheard of for competitors to change numbers—Maverick Viñales did it in MotoGP and Supercars teams can do it, too—but there is usually a specific mechanism in place to make it happen (such as Racing Entitlement Contracts in Supercars), and I can find no evidence of that being the case in the WRC. Mclarenfan17 ( talk) 23:20, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
@ Tvx1 and Pelmeen10: I'm still waiting on those sources that prove your "seasonal numbers" theory. Because the regulations do not specifically state that a driver must re-apply for a number each year, and I cannot find any other sources to support the idea. If you do not have these sources or cannot find them, that's fine, but it would be nice if you acknowledged it so that the discussion can move on. Mclarenfan17 ( talk) 23:20, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
Because the regulations do not specifically state that a driver must re-apply for a number each year- nor do they say they can keep the same number year on year.
I cannot find any other sources to support the idea.- But I can find sources which state that he can choose 1 or his personal number as the defending champion (which is the subject of this discussion) ( [4] and [5] are two example) therefore it would be inaccurate to only state that he could use 8 regardless as to whether he can/can't use a number besides 1 and 8. TBC should really be used.
No, we can prove that the FIA refers to them as "seasonal numbers". The term only appears in the title of section 17 and is never defined in the regulations. Mclarenfan17 ( talk) 09:12, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
If Tänak chooses #1, he cannot and will not use it until 2020.- the article in question is about what happens in 2020 not what is ahppeneing now. And we know they will be defending their championship. Therefore Tanak is entitled to use #1 and to state he is using #8 is WP:OR, to state that he is using #8 with a footnote stating he could choose #1 is misleading (it implies that he has stated he will use #8 but might change his mind before the entry list is released). In my mind the only way to avoid being miisleading is to place TBA or TBC with a footnote stating that he can choose as defending champion.
In the case of the WRC, I have found several sources. First, the FIA:
In order to give consistent identity to drivers and assist with promotion, Priority 1 drivers will be free to choose their permanent car number from 2019, except number 1, which will always be reserved for the reigning World Rally Champion.
This is also on wrc.com, which says:
Factory-entered drivers can choose their own permanent car number, except for the reigning world champion who will always carry No 1.
It's also being published by third-party sources, including Autosport:
The FIA confirmed the WRC would follow Formula 1's lead and allow drivers to carry permanent numbers at the October meeting of the World Motor Sport Council.
And also on Speedcafe:
Another change to the sporting regulations concerns car numbering, with factory World Rally Car drivers now allowed to choose their own permanent numbers akin to the system which Formula 1 has employed for the past five years.
Notice how the keep referring to "permanent" numbers and that there is no mention of drivers needing to renew or reapply for numbers every year. I will also add that these sources are source #1, #62, #63 and #64 in the 2019 WRC article and are used to detail the introduction of the number system. On the other hand, the sporting regulations only refer to "seasonal" numbers in the title of section 17 of the regulations. There is nothing in the body of the regulations that uses the word. I have tried searching for sources that support this interpretation, but the only results I get are related to this discussion. Therefore, I find this claim to be original research (or at least as close as you can get to it):
Having taken another look at the sources in the article, as well as at the sporting regulations, I'm no longer convinced that these drivers/crews have chosen career numbers. Neither the sources, nor the regulations mention "career numbers". They all actually talk about season/seasonal numbers. It seems like they only reserve a number for the duration of a season.
I'm not really sure how you can come to the conclusion that "permanent numbers" means "a number that a driver only uses for one season". If you have some source that supports the claim, please share or, or else I think it is fair to say that the subject—at least in the case of the WRC—is closed. Mclarenfan17 ( talk) 05:50, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
Because in the case of WRC, in the past crews would often use different numbers at different rallies. Now the numbers are fixed for the entire season.
26. SEASONALLY ALLOCATED COMPETITION NUMBERS
26.1 MANUFACTURERS
P1 drivers may request a specific number provided that the application is endorsed by the FIA and the Promoter. Number 1 may only be chosen by the World Champion driver of the previous season. Requested numbers may not be greater than 99.
26.2 OTHER DRIVERS
Competition numbers shall be allocated rally by rally, according to the provisional classification of the Championships concerned.
We need evidence that the numbers stay the same year to year, which none of your comment above proves.
The living proof to my claim ist that Sebastien Loeb has #9 now
Nothing is dubunked.
@ SSSB:
I do not think that enough evidence has been provided to suggest that drivers need to re apply for numbers every year
No evidence has been provided at this point. Tvx1 and Pelmeen10 have either refused to provide sources when asked, flat-out ignored requests for sources, or have changed the subject. All they have is a single use of ghe word "seasonal" in the title of Article 26 of the sporting regulations (the word "seasonal" does not even appear in the body of Articke 26) and a link to a purported Rally Sweden entry list (which has not been published yet by Rally Sweden) that provides to context as to how a number has changed. If you Google wrc "seasonal numbers"
, the only hit you get related to the subject is a link to this page. Meanwhile, I have provided four sources—from the FIA, wrc.com, Autosport and Speedcafe—that all clearly use the phrase "permanent numbers". In my view, Tvx1 and Pelmeen10 are bordering on
original research with this claim of seasonal numbers.
Mclarenfan17 (
talk) 14:00, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
All they have is a single use of ghe word "seasonal" in the title of Article 26 of the sporting regulations- that is evidence, but as I implied above and you have said explicitly they are using WP:SYNTH to argue what they think it means (or at least thats my analysis).
It's not only Loeb with different number. Katsuta is listed with #17 in our article, but that number is given to Ogier [6]. That source also gives #69 to Kalle Rovanperä, but the number was Juho Hänninen's last year. In 2019, Craig Breen used #18 and #42, while the #33 was used by both Greensmith (who also used #44) and Evans. Pelmeen10 ( talk) 18:25, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
Katsuta is listed with #17 in our article, but that number is given to Ogier [7].
That source also gives #69 to Kalle Rovanperä, but the number was Juho Hänninen's last year.
In 2019, Craig Breen used #18 and #42, while the #33 was used by both Greensmith (who also used #44) and Evans.
That's more than enough that evidence that these numbers of the Priority 1 crews are not automatically carried over to the next season and thus clearly not career numbers.
It's time now for you to admit (firstly to yourself) that you were wrong.
By the way Hänninen is expected to compete this season. As a co-driver.
we cannot assume anything- but the only person assuming anything is you, you are assuming the numbers will remain the same when clearly they've changed. I will repeat myself Tvx1 has not proved that drivers need to reapply, but he has proved they can change, therefore WRC article must have TBA for driver numbers until a source comes out which confirms the driver number for that specific year (not the source which confirms a previous years number).
WRC article must have TBA for driver numbers until a source comes out which confirms the driver number for that specific year (not the source which confirms a previous years number)
All that does is contradict existing sources.
The source showing Loeb and Katsuta using different numbers also shows Neuville, Tanak, Lappi, Suninen, Evans and Greensmith using the same numbers. Ignoring that and concentrating on Loeb and Katsuta is cherry-picking.
The obvious solution to this problem is to do what Supercars Championship articles do and assume that the numbers remain the same (as per the sources) until such time as evidence of a change emerges. Mclarenfan17 ( talk) 23:48, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
All that does is contradict existing sources.- it contradicts secondry sources but it is directly supported by Primary sources (i.e. FIA entry lists). The FIA entry lists are significantly more reliable than secondry sources which have been wrong in the past ( like here) and are clearly wrong now.
Ignoring that and concentrating on Loeb and Katsuta is cherry-picking- you misunderstand what WP:CHERRY says, this being evident from the fact that from your interpretation of WP:CHERRY implies you are also cherry picking - by ignoring Loeb and Katsuta. We are ignoring everyone else because there numbers are irrelevant. The fact is numbers can change and the FIA entry list proves this. Therefore doing what they do in Supercars Championship and what you propose to do in WRC (assuming the numbers stay the same) is WP:OR at best.
it contradicts secondry sources but it is directly supported by Primary sources (i.e. FIA entry lists). The FIA entry lists are significantly more reliable than secondry sources which have been wrong in the past
The FIA does in this article announcing and explaining the key changes to the sporting regulations:
In order to give consistent identity to drivers and assist with promotion, Priority 1 drivers will be free to choose their permanent car number from 2019, except number 1, which will always be reserved for the reigning World Rally Champion.
There is nothing in the 2020 regulations to contradict this.
And who publishes the entry list is very relevant. You claimed they come from the FIA, which gives them authority—except they don't come from the FIA at all. Mclarenfan17 ( talk) 11:26, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
This is the claim that you have yet to prove:
I'm no longer convinced that these drivers/crews have chosen career numbers. Neither the sources, nor the regulations mention "career numbers". They all actually talk about season/seasonal numbers. It seems like they only reserve a number for the duration of a season.
First, none of the sources talk about "seasonal numbers". The phrase only appears in the title of Article 26 of the Sporting Regulations. Secondly, I have provided sources from the FIA, wrc.com, Autosport and Speedcafe that all detail the use of permanent numbers. But most important is this part:
It seems like they only reserve a number for the duration of a season.
This suggests that a driver retains a number for one year at which point they lose that number and must reapply for it at the beginning of the next year. You have not provided any evidence that this is the case. The only evidence you have so far (which you only got weeks after making the initial claim) demonstates that two numbers have changed. It does not give any context to how that number change came about, so it does not support your "seasonal number" theory at all. Mclarenfan17 ( talk) 00:13, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
lasting or intended to last or remain unchanged indefinitely. You would have us believe that "permanent" means something else. Mclarenfan17 ( talk) 23:26, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
FWIW, as an uninvolved editor, I checked the FIA rules. In 2018 the rules for seasonable competition numbers were:
MANUFACTURERS The World Champion driver of the previous season is allocated number 1. The second driver of the World Champion’s team is allocated number 2 and the third driver, if applicable, number 3. Using the same system, the numbers are then allocated by the FIA according to the classification of the previous year’s Manufacturers’ Championship. Remaining P1 drivers, other than those using a number under Art. 17.3, shall be allocated sequential numbers by the organiser up to number 30. 2018 rules - section 17.1
Then the rules changed in 2019 to:
MANUFACTURERS P1 drivers may request a specific number provided that the application is endorsed by the FIA and the Promoter. Number 1 may only be chosen by the World Champion driver of the previous season. Requested numbers may not be greater than 99. 2019 rules - section 17.1
There is nothing about the numbers being permanent. What they do allow is for P1 drivers to apply to the FIA and the promoter for the number, and they can endorse the number. What we have here is a convention that allows for numbers to be reused every year. In all likelihood the WRC and FIA will, as they publicly stated, honor these numbers. The previous rules clearly did not allow this, now with the change they are allowed to allocate numbers as they see fit. And likely some drivers (or all drivers!) will have their same numbers every year. But this is not set it stone, and there may well be some drivers whose applications are not endorsed. - Chris.sherlock ( talk) 13:21, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
I plan to change this template to show only metres/yards (in either order) or kms/miles (in either order) rather than how it currently is which is quite weird and places a strange emphasis on the Imperial measurements (prioritising "miles (yards)"). Please raise any objections at Template talk:Infobox hillclimb venue. Thanks. A7V2 ( talk) 03:44, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
It's hitting a Wikipedia technical limit causing templates to not work properly.
I've opened a discussion on what to do about it at Talk:Driver deaths in motorsport#This article is so big it is causing technical problems. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs) 18:09, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
The above article, vaguely within the realms of "motorsport", was recently replaced with a redirect. The article as it stood can be seen here. Does anybody think this is worth saving, and have the sources to do so, or do the articles Lucky Teter and Joie Chitwood adequately cover the subject? -- kingboyk ( talk) 14:55, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
The Arbitration Committee has accepted a request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Motorsports regarding two users contributing to this project. If anyone wishes to add evidence for arbitrators to consider, you can add it to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Motorsports/Evidence. Please add your evidence by March 13, 2020, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Motorsports/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. T v x1 23:18, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
Would someone from this WikiProject might taking a look at Anders Olsson (motocross driver) and Dick Olsson? Both articles were created by Dickolsson, who is claiming to be "Dick Olsson", and thus would have a clear WP:COI with respect to both subjects if that's the case. "Dick Olsson" was actually recently deleted per WP:PROD, but deprodded per this request at User talk:Explicit#Unfair proposed deletion of Dick Olsson. I'm not finding a lot of WP:SIGCOV about either individual which would meet WP:GNG or WP:BIO, but perhaps there is a more specific guideline for motorsports that both meet. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 02:05, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
There's quite a backlog of motorsport related articles in the Sports and recreation section at Good Articles nominees. Anyone who has not contributed significantly to (or nominated) an article under review may review it according to the good article criteria to decide whether or not to list it as a good article.
For example, Justin Wilson (racing driver) has been waiting for review since 8 November 2019, and some Grand Prix articles have been waiting since September. -- kingboyk ( talk) 01:44, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
An editor has suggested adding a "logo" field to Template:Infobox motorsport venue. Interested editors are welcome to contribute to the discussion. DH85868993 ( talk) 04:26, 19 January 2020 (UTC)