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While I took strong exception to that which I took strong exception, I believe Oldwindybear was, on the balance, an asset to this project. Having been in touch with him quite a bit over the past few weeks, I have on several occasions urged him to return as an editor. He cannot seem to quit watching wikipedia, which to me indicates a desire to return. However, he's expressed concern that previous incidents will follow him wherever he goes. I would hope this should not be the case, but feel it wise to run this by his colleagues here to gauge your sentiments. Obviously, we can keep an eye out for socks; I am for my part convinced that this is behind us and will not recur. Please comment here, and be frank, as it does him no service to say he is welcome if he is not. Proabivouac 01:33, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
I've put together a graph of our FA-, A-, and GA-Class article counts over the past year that might be of interest to anyone who cares about such things. One interesting point is that the A-Class count is the smallest and shows the slowest growth rate; I suspect this is because it's largely feeding directly into FAs, but there might be other factors involved as well. Kirill 03:10, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
The A-Class review for Jean de Carrouges is now open; all editors are invited to participate, and any input there would be appreciated! Thanks! Kirill 12:30, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
The A-Class review for Horses in warfare is now open; all editors are invited to participate, and any input there would be appreciated! Thanks! Kirill 12:50, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
I've noticed that some of the U.S. Roads subprojects have separate banners indicating that those projects are joint subprojects of the U.S. Roads project and the appropriate state project. If such banners could be created for task forces which are expected to stand for some time, perhaps automatically placing the assessed article in the appropriate military history category and the existing national project category, I think it could help reduce the number of banners on some articles. In the event more than one task force is involved, which seems likely in a lot of cases, maybe the WPMILHIST banner could be adjusted to place the articles automatically in the national projects of all the relevant task forces. I think this could, at least potentially, help reduce the number of banners on some pages, if one banner assesses for more than one project. I've made a similar proposal at the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council page, but am not really sure whether such a banner can even technically be created. Does anyone here know, and/or think that some banners could be adjusted for this purpose? John Carter 14:04, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
The A-Class review for Sino-Indian War is now open; all editors are invited to participate, and any input there would be appreciated! Thanks! Kirill 14:00, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Everyone, please remember that when you are rating articles for B-class, that you put the criterion checks on the template. Dreamy \*/ !$! 17:41, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I have been rating a fair number of articles recently and I am stunned by the massive amount of military units that have their own articles. While I, of course, have nothing against articles on military units should n't there be some criteria for notability? Articles like
101st Airborne Division (United States) will easily pass, but does Wikipedia need an article like
840th Air Division which only existed between 1964 and 1969 which operations (according to the article) consisted of the following The 840th commanded assigned forces and provided staff and advisory services to assigned Air Reserve forces to ensure operational capability, October 1964 through December 1969. Between 1966 and 1969, subordinate units participated in worldwide tactical airlift operations, humanitarian missions, tactical exercises, and maneuvers including joint airborne training. From 1965 to 1969, the division provided C-130 aircraft replacement training support for Pacific Air Forces.. That does not seem very notable to me. The only source, the US Air Force Historical Research Agency IMHO fails the independency clause in
WP:NOTE; as it is an Air Force agency writing about the air force.
This is of course only an example. But basically we have two choices. Either we allow each and any article on a military unit, however unnotable that unit is (or has been), or we draw the line somewhere and start asking for the truly unnotable articles to be deleted.
If we choose for the second option, we may help this process by making specific guidelines for mil. unit notability.
Let me know what you guys think.
Arnoutf 18:37, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I've started a discussion on the MOH talk page here about this, but am wondering if there are existing guidelines to include or exclude a pic of the MOH or for that matter, the VC, or any of a country's highest military awards in recipients' infoboxes. I have so far only seen pics of either being added to some of the respective recipients' pages if not their infoboxes, and started to remove the MOH ones I've found, but have stopped for now. BrokenSphere Msg me 02:10, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Yes the infobox should contain the information. Yet i do think an image should be included in the article where appropriate. MOS guidelines and the FA criteria ask for appropriate images to be used. I think an image of the VC is very appropriate in a section about the actions leading to a VC or the specific citation. Most of the migration project articles have the citations in the article. For those who are not aware what the award looks like it is a good resource to have on the page. (I accept the opposing argument that they could just click on the Victoria Cross wikilink but IMO they are mutually beneficial) Unless you have an article such as David Vivian Currie where an image of the actual action is available: Image:Major david currie vc.jpg, then i think a picture of the VC is appropriate. I certainly don't think that there should be a guideline restricting their use. Woodym555 20:44, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
I have started going through the VC recipients and have added the image in the infobox in lieu of anything else. I have added the text <!-- This image is used as a placeholder image. If available please replace with an image of the recipient. -->. Good/bad idea? Woodym555 15:45, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Apparently someone has created a skeleton Taiwanese military history task force. It's my impression that this particular topic is already being handled by the Chinese military history task force (and the Japanese one, at points), so we don't need a separate group here; is this sensible, or am I missing something obvious here? Kirill 02:27, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
The A-Class review for Byzantine-Arab Wars is now open; all editors are invited to participate, and any input there would be appreciated! Thanks! Kirill 14:25, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
In my two trips to the United States Army Ordnance Museum, I've gotten pictures of (literally) all the big things there - the tanks and guns. However, they have thousands (or tens of thousands) of rifles from basically every country on earth. So, the question is - are there any rifle articles that need pictures? The rifles are normally behind glass and basically impossible to photograph well. But, their tips for researchers page suggests contacting them ahead of time. What I might do is send them a list of rifles we lack pictures of, and if they happen to have any of them, I'll go in and get us some photos. I'm not promising anything, but I think it might be worth a shot. So, I need a list :) Raul654 07:16, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
I have created a wishlist for musuem rifle picture candidates at User:Raul654/Wishlist Raul654 16:17, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
Hello. Over at the discussion page for the WWII infobox, we are having a debate as to what images we should include in the main picture. Any input would be appreciated. Oberiko 14:37, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
The A-Class review for Battle for Henderson Field is now open; all editors are invited to participate, and any input there would be appreciated! Thanks! Kirill 15:25, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
The A-Class review for Fort Bayard (Washington, D.C.) is now open; all editors are invited to participate, and any input there would be appreciated! Thanks! Kirill 22:42, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Just to give you folks a heads up, I've delisted ECHELON as a good article. It looks like the article has decayed in the last year or so, with editors adding guesses as to what the system might do is and where it might be located and how it might be used. Honestly, most of the information belongs on the some SIGINT page if anywhere. As I commented on the talk page, it might be worth considering rolling back the article to the last "Good" point and trying again... Burzmali 20:29, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
This Military history WikiProject page is an archive, log collection, or currently inactive page; it is kept primarily for historical interest. |
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
While I took strong exception to that which I took strong exception, I believe Oldwindybear was, on the balance, an asset to this project. Having been in touch with him quite a bit over the past few weeks, I have on several occasions urged him to return as an editor. He cannot seem to quit watching wikipedia, which to me indicates a desire to return. However, he's expressed concern that previous incidents will follow him wherever he goes. I would hope this should not be the case, but feel it wise to run this by his colleagues here to gauge your sentiments. Obviously, we can keep an eye out for socks; I am for my part convinced that this is behind us and will not recur. Please comment here, and be frank, as it does him no service to say he is welcome if he is not. Proabivouac 01:33, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
I've put together a graph of our FA-, A-, and GA-Class article counts over the past year that might be of interest to anyone who cares about such things. One interesting point is that the A-Class count is the smallest and shows the slowest growth rate; I suspect this is because it's largely feeding directly into FAs, but there might be other factors involved as well. Kirill 03:10, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
The A-Class review for Jean de Carrouges is now open; all editors are invited to participate, and any input there would be appreciated! Thanks! Kirill 12:30, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
The A-Class review for Horses in warfare is now open; all editors are invited to participate, and any input there would be appreciated! Thanks! Kirill 12:50, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
I've noticed that some of the U.S. Roads subprojects have separate banners indicating that those projects are joint subprojects of the U.S. Roads project and the appropriate state project. If such banners could be created for task forces which are expected to stand for some time, perhaps automatically placing the assessed article in the appropriate military history category and the existing national project category, I think it could help reduce the number of banners on some articles. In the event more than one task force is involved, which seems likely in a lot of cases, maybe the WPMILHIST banner could be adjusted to place the articles automatically in the national projects of all the relevant task forces. I think this could, at least potentially, help reduce the number of banners on some pages, if one banner assesses for more than one project. I've made a similar proposal at the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council page, but am not really sure whether such a banner can even technically be created. Does anyone here know, and/or think that some banners could be adjusted for this purpose? John Carter 14:04, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
The A-Class review for Sino-Indian War is now open; all editors are invited to participate, and any input there would be appreciated! Thanks! Kirill 14:00, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Everyone, please remember that when you are rating articles for B-class, that you put the criterion checks on the template. Dreamy \*/ !$! 17:41, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I have been rating a fair number of articles recently and I am stunned by the massive amount of military units that have their own articles. While I, of course, have nothing against articles on military units should n't there be some criteria for notability? Articles like
101st Airborne Division (United States) will easily pass, but does Wikipedia need an article like
840th Air Division which only existed between 1964 and 1969 which operations (according to the article) consisted of the following The 840th commanded assigned forces and provided staff and advisory services to assigned Air Reserve forces to ensure operational capability, October 1964 through December 1969. Between 1966 and 1969, subordinate units participated in worldwide tactical airlift operations, humanitarian missions, tactical exercises, and maneuvers including joint airborne training. From 1965 to 1969, the division provided C-130 aircraft replacement training support for Pacific Air Forces.. That does not seem very notable to me. The only source, the US Air Force Historical Research Agency IMHO fails the independency clause in
WP:NOTE; as it is an Air Force agency writing about the air force.
This is of course only an example. But basically we have two choices. Either we allow each and any article on a military unit, however unnotable that unit is (or has been), or we draw the line somewhere and start asking for the truly unnotable articles to be deleted.
If we choose for the second option, we may help this process by making specific guidelines for mil. unit notability.
Let me know what you guys think.
Arnoutf 18:37, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I've started a discussion on the MOH talk page here about this, but am wondering if there are existing guidelines to include or exclude a pic of the MOH or for that matter, the VC, or any of a country's highest military awards in recipients' infoboxes. I have so far only seen pics of either being added to some of the respective recipients' pages if not their infoboxes, and started to remove the MOH ones I've found, but have stopped for now. BrokenSphere Msg me 02:10, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Yes the infobox should contain the information. Yet i do think an image should be included in the article where appropriate. MOS guidelines and the FA criteria ask for appropriate images to be used. I think an image of the VC is very appropriate in a section about the actions leading to a VC or the specific citation. Most of the migration project articles have the citations in the article. For those who are not aware what the award looks like it is a good resource to have on the page. (I accept the opposing argument that they could just click on the Victoria Cross wikilink but IMO they are mutually beneficial) Unless you have an article such as David Vivian Currie where an image of the actual action is available: Image:Major david currie vc.jpg, then i think a picture of the VC is appropriate. I certainly don't think that there should be a guideline restricting their use. Woodym555 20:44, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
I have started going through the VC recipients and have added the image in the infobox in lieu of anything else. I have added the text <!-- This image is used as a placeholder image. If available please replace with an image of the recipient. -->. Good/bad idea? Woodym555 15:45, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Apparently someone has created a skeleton Taiwanese military history task force. It's my impression that this particular topic is already being handled by the Chinese military history task force (and the Japanese one, at points), so we don't need a separate group here; is this sensible, or am I missing something obvious here? Kirill 02:27, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
The A-Class review for Byzantine-Arab Wars is now open; all editors are invited to participate, and any input there would be appreciated! Thanks! Kirill 14:25, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
In my two trips to the United States Army Ordnance Museum, I've gotten pictures of (literally) all the big things there - the tanks and guns. However, they have thousands (or tens of thousands) of rifles from basically every country on earth. So, the question is - are there any rifle articles that need pictures? The rifles are normally behind glass and basically impossible to photograph well. But, their tips for researchers page suggests contacting them ahead of time. What I might do is send them a list of rifles we lack pictures of, and if they happen to have any of them, I'll go in and get us some photos. I'm not promising anything, but I think it might be worth a shot. So, I need a list :) Raul654 07:16, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
I have created a wishlist for musuem rifle picture candidates at User:Raul654/Wishlist Raul654 16:17, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
Hello. Over at the discussion page for the WWII infobox, we are having a debate as to what images we should include in the main picture. Any input would be appreciated. Oberiko 14:37, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
The A-Class review for Battle for Henderson Field is now open; all editors are invited to participate, and any input there would be appreciated! Thanks! Kirill 15:25, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
The A-Class review for Fort Bayard (Washington, D.C.) is now open; all editors are invited to participate, and any input there would be appreciated! Thanks! Kirill 22:42, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Just to give you folks a heads up, I've delisted ECHELON as a good article. It looks like the article has decayed in the last year or so, with editors adding guesses as to what the system might do is and where it might be located and how it might be used. Honestly, most of the information belongs on the some SIGINT page if anywhere. As I commented on the talk page, it might be worth considering rolling back the article to the last "Good" point and trying again... Burzmali 20:29, 4 September 2007 (UTC)