Hi all,
I am currently working on this draft currently. Please feel free to help me to improve it. Thank you so much for your great help if possible. Also, can I know if the stub holds general importance? Aitzaz Imtiaz ( talk) 01:00, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Hi all, I requested a move of Fixed point (mathematics) to Fixed point which is currently a disambiguation page for Fixed point (mathematics), Fixed-point arithmetic, and a few other topics. This move is somewhat controversial as several editors have objected that Fixed-point arithmetic precludes Fixed point (mathematics) from being a primary topic. A few months ago a similar move request was closed as "no consensus", so please join in at Talk:Fixed point (mathematics)#Requested move 4 October 2022 so that this discussion can reach a definitive conclusion. Mathnerd314159 ( talk) 20:46, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 8 § Locally small category.
The redirects
Locally small and
Locally small category currently point to different places (
Glossary of category theory#small and
Category (mathematics)#Small and large categories respectively).
1234qwer1234qwer4 believes they should target the same place and has nominated them for discussion at RfD to determine what the best target is. That discussion needs input from editors familiar with the topic area. Please comment in the linked discussion rather than here.
Thryduulf (
talk)
22:13, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
Working on the merging backlog, I recently closed some merge discussions involving mathematics articles. This includes the proposal to merge Polynomials calculating sums of powers of arithmetic progressions into Faulhaber's formula, which I believe had been discussed here some months back. Interested editors are invited to implement the merger! Felix QW ( talk) 08:12, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
There's a Requested Move for 142,857 to be renamed to 142857 at Talk:142,857#Requested move 14 October 2022. Please join the discussion if you're interested. Thank you. -- Paul_012 ( talk) 10:58, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
Suggest people comment. I think the points are well made. Wikipedia:Village_pump_(idea_lab)#Wikipedia_in_More_"Simple"_Languages, I like the way this site handles it (Note its called skeptical science because it's skeptical about anti-climate change science - confuses everyone), THey have basic, advanced, and intermediate levels as tabs. Wakelamp d[@-@]b ( talk) 02:36, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
If the article is too difficult, maybe there is a reason for this? Not everything can be explained in easy terms (ELI5), but simplicity would kill all the meaning that will be perfectly understandable for an appropriate audience. (I wouldn't understand an article about chemistry/abstract math/etc, but my unpreparedness is mot the reason to cut the article and explain it shallowly).
— User:Artem.G
It is true that some articles' lead sections (and sometimes the whole article) may benefit from simplification and pruning in general, but this simplification should not be at the expense of removing technical information that will be useful to experts within that particular field. Often, there is simply no way to compress an article any further without losing crucial technical precision. Additionally, many extremely technical articles (for example, articles dealing with genes, specific organic/inorganic molecues etc) are almost exclusively accessed by readers who have at least some expertise in their relevant field, so there is little need to simplify the article for the general public.
— User:Rob3512
a real number is a value of a continuous quantity(wikilink on quantity but not "continuous), but continuous is not ever accessibly explained. Though it discusses the topic a few times in different ways, each version is overly technical and full of inaccessible jargon linked to articles which themselves also do not discuss the basic idea. I would have hoped that continuity (mathematics) would explain the basic idea, but it redirects to List of continuity-related mathematical topics which does not provide any basic conceptual description of what continuity means but just links to more advanced articles like continuum (set theory) and linear continuum which circularly describe a continuum as being "like the real numbers", continuous variable which just describes having an uncountable set of values (not quite technically correct, or helpful as a basic idea), continuum (topology) which is absurdly terse and technical, the kind of definition you’d find in a journal paper for an audience of mathematicians, etc. The link real line redirects to number line which again only addresses continuity using inaccessible jargon. The overall result is that an e.g. high school calculus student hearing about the "real numbers" is never going to get a clear answer about what they are or why they exist unless they go find some external source. – jacobolus (t) 16:48, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not necessarily in the business of premasticating and regurgitating information to make it accessible to people without the necessary background– where practical Wikipedia absolutely should be in that business. The concept of a real number is regularly taught in late high school or early college, and the article should very broadly accessible, and self-contained enough that someone with an ordinary high school education can follow most of the basic ideas involved without needing to go on a scavenger hunt. It is an utter cop out to pass the buck to other sources, especially since the ones linked in a 'Sources' section are a Cantor paper from the 1870s in German and several graduate level textbooks. jacobolus (t) 21:44, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
I noticed all of the Planet Math links are now broken (or at least every one I've tried). Does anyone know if this is a temporary situation? If it's a permanent situation, is there any plans to systematically fix it? Walt Pohl ( talk) 22:07, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
Template:PlanetMath attribution/doc says that; "This template should be placed on the main page of the article.", but is it possible to place this template on the talk page like Template:Merged-from ? -- SilverMatsu ( talk) 16:42, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Strictly non-palindromic number, where I have stated why I believe that the term fails the notability guideline. GeoffreyT2000 ( talk) 01:01, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
I've just made a new page at ∂∂̅-lemma but am preemptively posting in case people have opinions about the name. It is technically the valid unicode for expressing a character with an overline, except the italic nature of ∂ as a unicode symbol causes it to be rendered slightly off (and it may be bad practice to have wikipedia pages whose names are such esoteric combined unicode characters). Alternatives are ddc-lemma or ddbar-lemma or deldelbar-lemma or ∂∂bar-lemma. The first one is an alternative mathematical name -lemma, whereas the others are just phonetic. If anyone has a particularly strong objection then feel free to move the page to one of the suggested names. Tazerenix ( talk) 06:23, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
Hi all,
I am currently working on this draft currently. Please feel free to help me to improve it. Thank you so much for your great help if possible. Also, can I know if the stub holds general importance? Aitzaz Imtiaz ( talk) 01:00, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Hi all, I requested a move of Fixed point (mathematics) to Fixed point which is currently a disambiguation page for Fixed point (mathematics), Fixed-point arithmetic, and a few other topics. This move is somewhat controversial as several editors have objected that Fixed-point arithmetic precludes Fixed point (mathematics) from being a primary topic. A few months ago a similar move request was closed as "no consensus", so please join in at Talk:Fixed point (mathematics)#Requested move 4 October 2022 so that this discussion can reach a definitive conclusion. Mathnerd314159 ( talk) 20:46, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 8 § Locally small category.
The redirects
Locally small and
Locally small category currently point to different places (
Glossary of category theory#small and
Category (mathematics)#Small and large categories respectively).
1234qwer1234qwer4 believes they should target the same place and has nominated them for discussion at RfD to determine what the best target is. That discussion needs input from editors familiar with the topic area. Please comment in the linked discussion rather than here.
Thryduulf (
talk)
22:13, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
Working on the merging backlog, I recently closed some merge discussions involving mathematics articles. This includes the proposal to merge Polynomials calculating sums of powers of arithmetic progressions into Faulhaber's formula, which I believe had been discussed here some months back. Interested editors are invited to implement the merger! Felix QW ( talk) 08:12, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
There's a Requested Move for 142,857 to be renamed to 142857 at Talk:142,857#Requested move 14 October 2022. Please join the discussion if you're interested. Thank you. -- Paul_012 ( talk) 10:58, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
Suggest people comment. I think the points are well made. Wikipedia:Village_pump_(idea_lab)#Wikipedia_in_More_"Simple"_Languages, I like the way this site handles it (Note its called skeptical science because it's skeptical about anti-climate change science - confuses everyone), THey have basic, advanced, and intermediate levels as tabs. Wakelamp d[@-@]b ( talk) 02:36, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
If the article is too difficult, maybe there is a reason for this? Not everything can be explained in easy terms (ELI5), but simplicity would kill all the meaning that will be perfectly understandable for an appropriate audience. (I wouldn't understand an article about chemistry/abstract math/etc, but my unpreparedness is mot the reason to cut the article and explain it shallowly).
— User:Artem.G
It is true that some articles' lead sections (and sometimes the whole article) may benefit from simplification and pruning in general, but this simplification should not be at the expense of removing technical information that will be useful to experts within that particular field. Often, there is simply no way to compress an article any further without losing crucial technical precision. Additionally, many extremely technical articles (for example, articles dealing with genes, specific organic/inorganic molecues etc) are almost exclusively accessed by readers who have at least some expertise in their relevant field, so there is little need to simplify the article for the general public.
— User:Rob3512
a real number is a value of a continuous quantity(wikilink on quantity but not "continuous), but continuous is not ever accessibly explained. Though it discusses the topic a few times in different ways, each version is overly technical and full of inaccessible jargon linked to articles which themselves also do not discuss the basic idea. I would have hoped that continuity (mathematics) would explain the basic idea, but it redirects to List of continuity-related mathematical topics which does not provide any basic conceptual description of what continuity means but just links to more advanced articles like continuum (set theory) and linear continuum which circularly describe a continuum as being "like the real numbers", continuous variable which just describes having an uncountable set of values (not quite technically correct, or helpful as a basic idea), continuum (topology) which is absurdly terse and technical, the kind of definition you’d find in a journal paper for an audience of mathematicians, etc. The link real line redirects to number line which again only addresses continuity using inaccessible jargon. The overall result is that an e.g. high school calculus student hearing about the "real numbers" is never going to get a clear answer about what they are or why they exist unless they go find some external source. – jacobolus (t) 16:48, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not necessarily in the business of premasticating and regurgitating information to make it accessible to people without the necessary background– where practical Wikipedia absolutely should be in that business. The concept of a real number is regularly taught in late high school or early college, and the article should very broadly accessible, and self-contained enough that someone with an ordinary high school education can follow most of the basic ideas involved without needing to go on a scavenger hunt. It is an utter cop out to pass the buck to other sources, especially since the ones linked in a 'Sources' section are a Cantor paper from the 1870s in German and several graduate level textbooks. jacobolus (t) 21:44, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
I noticed all of the Planet Math links are now broken (or at least every one I've tried). Does anyone know if this is a temporary situation? If it's a permanent situation, is there any plans to systematically fix it? Walt Pohl ( talk) 22:07, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
Template:PlanetMath attribution/doc says that; "This template should be placed on the main page of the article.", but is it possible to place this template on the talk page like Template:Merged-from ? -- SilverMatsu ( talk) 16:42, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Strictly non-palindromic number, where I have stated why I believe that the term fails the notability guideline. GeoffreyT2000 ( talk) 01:01, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
I've just made a new page at ∂∂̅-lemma but am preemptively posting in case people have opinions about the name. It is technically the valid unicode for expressing a character with an overline, except the italic nature of ∂ as a unicode symbol causes it to be rendered slightly off (and it may be bad practice to have wikipedia pages whose names are such esoteric combined unicode characters). Alternatives are ddc-lemma or ddbar-lemma or deldelbar-lemma or ∂∂bar-lemma. The first one is an alternative mathematical name -lemma, whereas the others are just phonetic. If anyone has a particularly strong objection then feel free to move the page to one of the suggested names. Tazerenix ( talk) 06:23, 27 October 2022 (UTC)