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A user keeps removing the map saying it's inaccurate. Can anyone who knows more about the topic than me see if there's any merit to it? — Lfdder ( talk) 14:46, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
The usage of Ћ ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is under discussion, see talk:Ћ -- 76.65.128.222 ( talk) 10:26, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
I noticed an editor ( Greyshark09) just moved all the pages from Category:Languages of Palestine to Category:Languages of the State of Palestine, which I guess kind of makes sense 'cos there aren't modern-day borders for 'Palestine', but looking at {{ Languages of Asia (category)}}, the category there is Category:Languages of the Palestinian territories. ' Palestinian territories' seems to be what we use for categories like Economy of the Palestinian territories and the Education in the Palestinian territories. Category:State of Palestine hasn't got any 'State of Palestine' child cats. So, uhh, yeah, what should this cat be called? — Lfdder ( talk) 21:16, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
I've added a proposal for a source and inclusion criteria for that article at talk:List of most widely spoken languages (by number of countries), and I would welcome a discussion there. Sjö ( talk) 12:29, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
Template:WikiIPA has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Lfdder ( talk) 14:58, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
I've subscribed us to article alerts found here and transcluded on the main project page. — Lfdder ( talk) 11:50, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
Is there anyone here who can help me with some Arabic-language stuff? I've tried the reference desk but got nothing. – Roscelese ( talk ⋅ contribs) 21:40, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
I know nothing about constructed languages, but do the editors here find that Angos (Constructed Language) meets typical notability criteria? Thanks all, Arbitrarily0 ( talk) 11:20, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
Unfortunately, several articles about languages continue to use Ethnologue. This is problematic as Ethnologue is not a reliable source and does not conduct any research. Ethnologue is very much like Wikipedia in the sense that it uses sources and report their findings, which would be fine if it would be done consistently. Unfortunately, it's not. For many European languages, the data have not been updated since the 1970s. In far too many cases, the people at Ethnologue has misrepresented their sources and come up with bizarre "facts" that certainly amuse anyone familiar with linguistics or sociolinguistics. Ethnologue is a Christian missionary organization and not should never take precedence over proper research done by experts. I can think of no article where Ethnologue add facts not found in other articles, while I can easily find articles where Ethnologue is used to state outright absurd claims that run contrary to all scholarship and research. In short, I do not think Ethnologue satisfy WP:RS and I don't see a reason why it should be used in any article. Jeppiz ( talk) 22:41, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
I've added a section on the more common problems I've noticed with Ethnologue data. — kwami ( talk) 21:50, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
A lot of language-related navboxes have been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 August 19. De728631 ( talk) 14:53, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
Category:Language templates ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) and Category:Linguistics templates ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) are up for discussion, see Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_August_19 -- 76.65.128.222 ( talk) 03:56, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
Articles with Ethnologue as a reference for speaker data have now been updated to E17. A few retain E15 or E16 in the ref field, either to show that an undated figure is old, because E17 does not support the language, or because of errors in the E17 entry. (These are tracked at Category:Language infobox tracking categories.) Except for a few odd cases where the reference field is not applicable, all infoboxes have something in the ref field, even if it's only 'citation needed'. All also have s.t. in the speaker field, though there's a question what we should do with Standard Chinese: should it be 'none' (like Standard Arabic), or left as 'data unavailable'? (Or we could just blank it, and that article would be the sole one in its tracking category.)
Currently rounding off populations to 2 sig figs. It had been 3, mostly, but that's far more precise than our sources warrant. We're actually lucky if we get even a single significant figure for most languages, so even with reducing it to 2 we're being spuriously precise. I've noticed in updating from E16 to E17 that increases or reductions of 4× or even 10× are not uncommon, that a language may go from an alleged 5,000 speakers or more to extinct. I had been doing this by hand, rounding to evens, but now am using a template so that the original figures remain in the coding, and the template always rounds up. The one irregularity is that I'm counting 10 as a single digit, as I was taught in school, so you'll see 103,000 or 10.3 million. This helps even out the rounding %age across digits, and also distinguishes that 10.3M from a 10M meaning somewhere between 5 and 15M. — kwami ( talk) 05:02, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
Assigning articles to a project may be tedious in some cases. One instance are articles on Phonology which both relates to phonetics and general linguistics. I have been consistent in assigning those articles to WikiProject Linguistics|phonetics=yes, deleting WPLANG tags when present. The idea behind his was that iff we need two different WP projects on languages (which I would not necessarily support), there should be some kind of division of work. Very recently, User:Lfdder implemented his own view of the matter by deleting all the phonetics tags and replacing them by WPLANG tags instead. Given that this seems to remove part of Phonetics task force’s raison d’etre, I feel inclined to do a full scale revert, but maybe we should reach consent first. So, do we want phonology articles to be in the scope of WP languages, WP linguistics/Phonetics, or in the scope of both? (I am about to create a link from the Phonetics project to our talk page, so please discuss here!) G Purevdorj ( talk) 02:17, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
Input from other editors would be appreciated. Currently, there's no clear majority. G Purevdorj ( talk) 11:42, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
This seems to be all the feedback we're getting. Should we add them to both projects then? — Lfdder ( talk) 15:04, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
Can we get someone with knowledge of languages to look at all these moves. Just odd stable articles all being redirected. -- Moxy ( talk) 23:49, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
I have updated Missing topics about Languages - Skysmith ( talk) 10:44, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
Right now,
Dene-Yeniseian has familycolor=Na-Dene
in its infobox, which looks a bit silly. Can someone edit the (protected) colour table and add in Dene-Yeniseain, marked as uncertain and with the same colour as Na-Dene?
KleptomaniacViolet (
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17:33, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
|familycolor = unclassified
. That will display a white table header.
De728631 (
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17:43, 7 September 2013 (UTC)The new Languages of Oregon template could use proofreading and improvement. Anyone here familiar with these language families? Djembayz ( talk) 01:19, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
See here. — Lfdder ( talk) 18:38, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
Edit warrior re. population and classification. Several editors rejected his earlier non-linguistic population sources, so now he's fighting for a cherry-picked linguistic source. We settled some time ago on omitting "Finno-Ugric" from all Uralic info-box classifications, but he's fighting to restore it to this one article. — kwami ( talk) 02:30, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
The page for Orejón needs to be expanded because that is not the autonym of the language and there is no information on the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Efgoodrich ( talk • contribs) 16:57, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
Can an admin who frequents this place fix this? Thanks — Lfdder ( talk) 16:46, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
Should we merge all 5 into this one? They're by all appearances dead. I tagged three a couple months ago as inactive; no one's untagged them. Anyway, merging them will mean less WikiProject banner clutter on talk pages. — Lfdder ( talk) 01:59, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
Well, it looks like at least one person cares about WP:ENLANG: [1]. ( Personal attack removed) — Lfdder ( talk) 13:33, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
Lfdder talked about redirecting . I don't know why we'd do that . Just mark the main page as inactive , and maybe archive and redirect the talk page . — kwami ( talk) 12:58, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
See: wikidata:User:RoboViolet/Language families. This is almost entirely from infobox data. A big chunk of the issues on display are caused by my script not being smart enough and being excessively paranoid about things it doesn't understand, but there are also some real things to think about (e.g., we don't consistently deal with the major sub-groupings of Western Romance). I think it's pretty nifty, if I say so myself! If you change an article (or tag a redirect) and want to see it reflected in the next iteration of output, leave a note on my talkpage and I'll add it to the list of pages updated since the database dump. KleptomaniacViolet ( talk) 08:44, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
Template:Language ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.131.217 ( talk) 11:21, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
Slow edit war at Emilian language. According to E17 it's extinct, with speakers having shifted to Italian. People keep adding a population of 2M, which refs that either refer to Emiliano–Romagnolo or to the ethnicity, but not to actual Emilian speakers. — kwami ( talk) 02:07, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
any idea what "Kelao" is in Hmongic languages#Matisoff (2006)? a Hmongic influence on Gelao? — kwami ( talk) 17:35, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
asked for feedback from wp:jew on Yiddish Sign Language . — kwami ( talk) 19:20, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
[I've since tried following up with Nicky Nouse, but got no response. — kwami ( talk) 03:21, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Guess things get more attention here than on the main page !
There are some irregularities in our boxes that I'd like to see replicated :
— kwami ( talk) 18:10, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
I figure that the technical side will look very much like the automatic species taxobox stuff, even if we don't share any code, so I've hacked on the cross-referencer to also produce output that resembles their data. There's a sample here (picking Dravidian because our articles already largely agree with each other); for comparison, the biological data looks like this, so the live language data would look something like this:
Display | Dravidian |
Link | Dravidian languages |
Always shown | Yes |
Display | Central |
Parent | Template:Automatic language infobox/Dravidian languages |
Always shown | Yes |
It's not currently outputting controversial/hypothetical/whatever fields, but that can be added. KleptomaniacViolet ( talk) 14:21, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
Code | Result |
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{{#invoke:Sandbox/KleptomaniacViolet/Language families/Autotree| gen_tree |Tamil languages}} |
|
I can't tell you how many hours I've spent trying to harmonize all our language and family articles. Wish we'd had this earlier!
One thing we'd want, once we get this up and running, is accessibility for editors who don't know Lua. We should be able to change the field values to change a superior node, and if possible to create a new node. It looks straightforward, but the more obvious the better.
For dialects, would we need to add the languages as additional nodes? — kwami ( talk) 20:24, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
A minor point: We don't need to be so wordy in our names as "Kolami–Naiki Central Dravidian languages". "Kolami–Naiki languages" should be sufficient. (For one thing, the current name presupposes a classification which might be abandoned.)
Question: You have individual languages in the DB. Is this how you intend to proceed? I was thinking that we'd enter the lowest node in the info box, and that the script would take care of the rest. That is, that we'd only have DB entries for nodes shared by more than one article. If the individual languages need to be in the DB, then people won't be able to easily create info boxes for new language articles. — kwami ( talk) 20:37, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
I've been thinking about editor-friendliness, and I realised that one-node-per-subpage is still unfriendly. The thing is that the node titles (the "Kolami–Naiki Central Dravidian languages" above) are arbitrary as far as the final display is concerned: they only look like that right now because that's the unique canonicalised name derived for that node. And since it's arbitrary, discoverability would be a problem for editors changing the classification data.
Here's another idea: store complete trees in subpages somewhere, looking something like this:
{{ language family node | article = Dravidian languages | display = Dravidian }} * {{ language family node | display = South }} :* {{ language family node | article = [[Tamil-Kannada]] | display = Tamil–Kannada }} ::* {{ language family node | display = Tamil–Kodagu }} :::* {{ language family node | display = Tamil–Malayalam }} ::::* {{ language family node | article = Tamil languages | display = Tamil }} :::::* {{ language family node | article = Tamil language | display = Tamil }} ::* {{ language family node | display = Kannada–Badaga }} :::* {{ language family node | article = Kannada dialects | display = Kannada }} ::::* {{ language family node | article = Kannada language | display = Kannada }}
These subpages would then be processed by a bot, which would then generate a Lua data file. I think we can't get away from a bot generating the data, since we'll also need links downwards from parent nodes to child nodes for their infoboxes, and manually including them denormalises the database. I'm not 100% happy with this, and if anyone has any ideas on the topic of how to store the canonical database and how to get that data into a form for easy module consumption, I'd love to hear them.
RE languages as nodes: the intention is for the infobox to use the title of the page it's transcluded on as the first node title. Ideally, editors won't have to care about what the internal names of the nodes are: nodes without articles will get weird-looking names, but that's okay because the nodes with articles will have their names correspond to the article title. (Moves may be a problem, but I assume they won't be so frequent that manual fixing can't keep up.) New articles will need placing in the tree, which would be an extra step in the workflow, but the manual infobox will be sticking around for editors who don't know about/don't want to edit the central database, and they can be reconciled later. KleptomaniacViolet ( talk) 13:40, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
Okay. On consideration, using {{{PAGENAME}}} does introduce too much magic and makes moving articles too awkward. Here's another idea: a node_title
parameter to the automatic template, that will normally be identical to an article's title unless it's been moved recently and the database doesn't reflect the new name. A default automatic infobox could be substed onto the article by a meta-template as part of the suggested new article process maybe. There'd also need to be an optional second parameter, node_title_fallback
, to cut the knot when updating the article's title in the database until it filters through and the new name is ready to use.
I'm currently leaning towards the bot option, since it's less of an unknown for me to implement. I'll put my code up on github now, and I'll try and make sure that manual updating is feasible until the bot is running, and if it ever breaks down.
RE splitting up trees: that will work as it is, so long as the common node is an article node. There's a little bit of room for redundancy here, but it's the sort that can very easily be automatically checked and have the bot complain about. KleptomaniacViolet ( talk) 14:04, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
Github. The README has instructions on how to run it, and also a list of pages it's got an interest in. It doesn't operate autonomously yet as a full-fledged bot. I put up all the generated trees from infoboxes on subpages of User:KleptomaniacViolet/Language families data. I don't suggest correcting them by hand yet, since my uploader is stupid and will overwrite your edits, and I think there's still a chunk of automatic inference that can be squeezed out.
@kwami: Languages with the same name aren't a problem since our articles are going to be distinct, and their node titles are equal to their article titles. Non-article nodes have titles specifically constructed to avoid collisions: they include the name of their nearest ancestor that has an article, as well as the intermediate nodes in between. The display name isn't factored in at all as far as walking the tree goes. I think that answers your concern, but I'm not quite sure I've understood it. Feel free to have a poke around with the stuff I put up, and see if you find anything that worries you. KleptomaniacViolet ( talk) 18:46, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
{{node | article = Dravidian languages | display = Dravidian}} :{{node | display = Southern}} ::{{node | display = South-Central}} :::{{node | article = Telugu languages | display = Telugu}}
{{node | article = Dravidian languages | display = Dravidian}} :{{node | display = South-Central}} ::{{node | article = Telugu languages | display = Telugu}}
Off topic slightly, I think we should just use the linguistic names of the nodes. South-Central Dravidian, for example, should just be South-Central Dravidian, and likewise Southern Dravidian. Most names are already unambiguous.
As long as we have a robust way of tracking and verifying that languages are in the proper family, we should be alright. But I keep thinking of the IPA fix-up categories, which have gotten away from us a bit. With close to 10,000 articles, this could get away from us too if we're not careful. — kwami ( talk) 11:51, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
There are also languages which are not clearly part of any one branch, such as Menchum language and Esimbi language. — kwami ( talk) 10:07, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
Hi!
I originally wrote this at the Village pump, but it was suggested I try here first.
I got this idea a few months ago, ever since footnotes on en:Wiki were made able to hover above the mouse pointer when the pointer hovers above the footnote number, [1]. [Since floating notes do not seem to work at WikiProjects, you might want to copy-paste the code for this entire section into the sandbox and preview it, to see what I mean.]
I was thinking if it's possible to make a type of "invisible" footnote which would not be listed at the bottom of an article, but that would only exist as a hovering note. (Therefore it wouldn't even technically be a "footnote" any more!)
Reasons:
This would be especially useful in linguistics articles. Often, when a language is written in another alphabet, any examples would, in a best-case scenario, be given in at least three parts – i.e. 1) the original word/sentence 2) its English transliteration, and 3) the English translation. e.g.
This is an oversimplified example, but I hope you get the point.
The major problem arises due to the fact that, in language articles, such triple-script examples are avoided for clarity, and so stage 2, the transliteration, is necessarily sacrificed entirely. Which is all well and good for people that can read Cyrillic, but not for anyone else that may be interested in Russian. Therefore the article a priori excludes a whole cross-section of readers.
Because of this, language articles are currently extremely exclusive of whole swathes of readers who are not already partly fluent in a given language, for precisely this reason. But many linguistically-minded people are interested in different languages precisely because they appreciate the intricacies and beauty of different languages.
And Cyrillic is comparatively easy for speakers of Roman-script languages. What do we do when the article uses Arabic, Devanagari, Chinese, or whatever (especially for people who don't have East Asian fonts installed, that can't even see the letters, let alone attempt to understand them...)
This I feel would be improved if the stage 2 was therefore written by using this "invisible note" that I'm proposing, which will allow inclusion of all Wikipedia users. It would therefore look something like this –
Or, since we're at it, to actually go all the way –
Or, perhaps simpler [4] (including the original Cyrillic, for clarity?)
Since such examples would be in the dozens for larger articles, having them as proper footnotes would be impractical, as they would fill up the majority of the article. Hence the use of zero/hovering notes that I'm proposing, that don't appear at the bottom of the articles, but only when the mouse hovers over them.
Obviously, the users who write the articles and thus create the hover notes would choose which, if any, of the lines (transliteration; IPA, whatever), to include, and these could t hen be added to by anyone that wants to. In the same vein, there could be a small "settings" cog in the corner, just as there is in current pop-up footnotes, and users can themselves choose which lines they want to have included – for example, maybe one user will their hover notes to only include the respelling line, another may want only transliteration and IPS, or whatever.
This type of note would be created for this specific purpose by a technically-minded colleague. The good thing about this is that all this would not just work for linguistics, but maths, the sciences, and so many other subjects could find use for them. What do you all think, should we ask their creation by at the Village pump?
Thanks for your attention! BigSteve ( talk) 19:57, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
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I've added Fuck (film) to TFA nominations, discussion is at Wikipedia:Today's_featured_article/requests#Fuck_.28film.29. — Cirt ( talk) 22:34, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
I've listed the article Fuck: Word Taboo and Protecting Our First Amendment Liberties for peer review.
Help with furthering along the quality improvement process would be appreciated, at Wikipedia:Peer review/Fuck: Word Taboo and Protecting Our First Amendment Liberties/archive1.
Thank you for your time,
— Cirt ( talk) 01:07, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
There are currently three requested moves underway that are relevant to this WikiProject:
Please contribute to the discussion and help find consensus. Aɴɢʀ ( talk) 12:17, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
The List of Romanian words of possible Dacian origin article has been proposed for deletion. Your opinions are welcomed. -- Norden1990 ( talk) 17:39, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
Discussion here. — kwami ( talk) 03:36, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
There's a discussion at Cornish language over whether it's appropriate to say the language went extinct (before revival) in the info box. Every linguistic source I can find says the language went extinct, and if they mention Davies or other supposed native speakers, describe them as having some knowledge that had been passed down but not full language ability. But revivalist sources claim the language never did go extinct, and that people like Davies were a bridge to a new generation of native speakers. — kwami ( talk) 00:41, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
I've nominated Fuck: Word Taboo and Protecting Our First Amendment Liberties for Featured Article candidacy.
Comments would be appreciated, at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Fuck: Word Taboo and Protecting Our First Amendment Liberties/archive1.
Thank you for your time,
— Cirt ( talk) 05:32, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
Hello, does anyone here work with the Unami language, Delaware languages, or Algonquian languages? I've had a headache over the last few weeks dealing with an editor who has his own orthographic system that he's determined to interject into Lenape-related articles, despite the fact that they aren't published anywhere. He's not a linguist or affiliated with the Delaware Tribe of Indian's Lenape Language Preservation Project (or any federally or state-recognized tribe). I'm not getting through with warnings against original research. He's mainly been working on Lenape, Susquehannock, Lenapehoking, and many geographical articles around Pennsylvania. This is the kind of material I've had to remove:
Almost every historian has misinterpreted the simple meaning of “Lenape.” According to interviews with those who have some familiarity of the ancient language, Doris Riverbird of Quitapahilla, Pennsylvania, and Gary "Deer Standing Schreckengost" (Ah-too Nee-poo We-po-schwa-gen She-pong of Neshaminy, Mahantango, Tionesta, and Cocalico, Pennsylvania...
Any assistance or advice how to stem the tide of original research and original orthographies would be greatly appreciated. - Uyvsdi ( talk) 21:28, 8 December 2013 (UTC)Uyvsdi
Brunei English ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) was ranked "high" importance to your project. As it is a dialect and not a language, is that assessment correct? -- 76.65.128.112 ( talk) 05:28, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
Peter Roach uploaded his RP recording that JIPA uses for its IPA transcription of English. It's been marked for deletion as copyvio. I've made some suggestions on his talk page; notifying y'all in case s.o. has a better suggestion or can navigate the bureaucracy better than us. — kwami ( talk) 19:01, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
Apparently no such exists yet, so I've created one and documented it here. I'd like to move it to template namespace and start using it in articles as soon as possible so...comments are welcome! -- Ivan Štambuk ( talk) 02:45, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
{{
ISO 639 name}}
or some such. —
LiliCharlie (
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03:59, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
Two articles related to this WikiProject, Guwen and Classical Chinese, have been proposed for a merger . If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. — LlywelynII 08:11, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
The developers are working towards offering mw:VisualEditor to all users at about 50 Wikipedias that have complex language requirements. Many editors at these Wikipedias depend on being able to insert special characters to be able to write articles.
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Move request at Talk:Silesian_language#Requested_move2. Difficult case due to the ambiguity of the name "Silesian" and the lack of good sources. — kwami ( talk) 22:10, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
Data at Hebrew language from newspapers etc. One problem is that many sources do not specify whether their figures are for native speakers, and for Hebrew this makes a huge difference. Granted, Ethn. is not the greatest source. Anyone have anything better? — kwami ( talk) 04:15, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
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There's a move discussion at Bushmen. Since both terms are derogatory, it's a bit contentious. — kwami ( talk) 01:25, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
I've archived some inactive threads to subsections which were notifications about discussions that have since been closed. — Cirt ( talk) 06:01, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
I'm trying to make sense of Zou language which seems to have been the victim of some sort of nomenclature wars. One of its sources is Ethnologue [3] and I'm not sure what it means so far as the name of this language goes. Thanks. Dougweller ( talk) 15:56, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
This is a note to let the main editors of Fuck (film) know that the article will be appearing as today's featured article on March 1, 2014. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. If you prefer that the article appear as TFA on a different date, or not at all, please ask Bencherlite ( talk · contribs). You can view the TFA blurb at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/March 1, 2014. If it needs tweaking, or if it needs rewording to match improvements to the article between now and its main page appearance, please edit it, following the instructions at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/instructions. The blurb as it stands now is below:
Fuck is a 2005 American documentary film by director Steve Anderson, which argues that the word is key to discussions about freedom of speech and censorship. The film provides perspectives from art, linguistics, society and comedy. Linguist Reinhold Albert Aman, journalism analyst David Shaw, language professor Geoffrey Nunberg and Oxford English Dictionary editor Jesse Sheidlower explain the term's history and evolution. The film features the last interview of author Hunter S. Thompson before his suicide. It was first shown at the AFI Film Festival at ArcLight Hollywood; it has subsequently been released on DVD in America and in the UK and used as a resource on several university courses. The New York Times critic A. O. Scott called the film a battle between advocates of morality and supporters of freedom of expression, while other reviews criticized its length and repetitiveness. Law professor Christopher M. Fairman commented on the film's importance in his 2009 book on the same subject. The American Film Institute said, "Ultimately, [it] is a movie about free speech ... Freedom of expression must extend to words that offend." ( Full article...)
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Above was posted to my user talk page, posting here as well. Cheers, — Cirt ( talk) 23:19, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
Someone with linguistic background is needed to make sense of romanization applied to Japan-related articles. Come to visit Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Japan-related articles#No standards, only deliberate differentiation and Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Japan-related articles#No standards outside Wikipedia, no standards in Wikipedia. -- Nanshu ( talk) 14:04, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
Please submit your comments regarding on-going discussions at Talk:Latin_peoples 79.117.160.159 ( talk) 11:56, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
Is there a style guide that is specific to pages about languages? Things like how to show phonology, grammar, things like that. What I'm looking for specifically is what consensus there is (if there is one) on including samples of a language in the form of a short list of common phrases, like we have on Zulu language. Personally I think those are not well-suited to an encyclopedic article, more suited to a dedicated phrasebook or a dictionary (that is, Wiktionary, which includes phrasebooks just like these). CodeCat ( talk) 21:22, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
Hello, everyone. There is a WP:RfC on whether or not the leads of articles should generally be no longer than four paragraphs (refer to WP:Manual of Style/Lead section for the current guideline). As this will affect Wikipedia on a wide scale, including WikiProjects that often deal with article formatting, if the proposed change is implemented, I invite you to the discussion; see here: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Lead section#RFC on four paragraph lead. Flyer22 ( talk) 16:35, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
Anyone interested in commenting?!? Thanatos| talk| contributions 13:39, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
Someone may want to have a look at List of English words of Malayalam origin. I added some {{ citation needed}} and other maintenance tags to some words whose origins are not precisely known. (Several words that entered English from Sanskrit have clear Dravidian roots, but just which Dravidian language should "get the credit" is probably an unanswerable question. At least, I know of no objective scholar who has answered it.) Another user has responded by creating a "Notes" section with historical arguments that look like original research. Cnilep ( talk) 04:00, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
Is Pala scholaris an English word? I would have said "no", but it's hard to prove a negative (and this user probably already thinks I'm out to get him/her). Does the fact that it's not in the Oxford English Dictionary matter? Cnilep ( talk) 06:14, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
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I can't figure out what this is. It had 3 links all to a Tanzanian language, but says it is related to Farsi, Pashto and Urdu and is almost extinct. There seems to be an article in the Urdu Wiki on this but also without sources. [4]. Thanks. Dougweller ( talk) 16:03, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
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A user keeps removing the map saying it's inaccurate. Can anyone who knows more about the topic than me see if there's any merit to it? — Lfdder ( talk) 14:46, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
The usage of Ћ ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is under discussion, see talk:Ћ -- 76.65.128.222 ( talk) 10:26, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
I noticed an editor ( Greyshark09) just moved all the pages from Category:Languages of Palestine to Category:Languages of the State of Palestine, which I guess kind of makes sense 'cos there aren't modern-day borders for 'Palestine', but looking at {{ Languages of Asia (category)}}, the category there is Category:Languages of the Palestinian territories. ' Palestinian territories' seems to be what we use for categories like Economy of the Palestinian territories and the Education in the Palestinian territories. Category:State of Palestine hasn't got any 'State of Palestine' child cats. So, uhh, yeah, what should this cat be called? — Lfdder ( talk) 21:16, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
I've added a proposal for a source and inclusion criteria for that article at talk:List of most widely spoken languages (by number of countries), and I would welcome a discussion there. Sjö ( talk) 12:29, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
Template:WikiIPA has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Lfdder ( talk) 14:58, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
I've subscribed us to article alerts found here and transcluded on the main project page. — Lfdder ( talk) 11:50, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
Is there anyone here who can help me with some Arabic-language stuff? I've tried the reference desk but got nothing. – Roscelese ( talk ⋅ contribs) 21:40, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
I know nothing about constructed languages, but do the editors here find that Angos (Constructed Language) meets typical notability criteria? Thanks all, Arbitrarily0 ( talk) 11:20, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
Unfortunately, several articles about languages continue to use Ethnologue. This is problematic as Ethnologue is not a reliable source and does not conduct any research. Ethnologue is very much like Wikipedia in the sense that it uses sources and report their findings, which would be fine if it would be done consistently. Unfortunately, it's not. For many European languages, the data have not been updated since the 1970s. In far too many cases, the people at Ethnologue has misrepresented their sources and come up with bizarre "facts" that certainly amuse anyone familiar with linguistics or sociolinguistics. Ethnologue is a Christian missionary organization and not should never take precedence over proper research done by experts. I can think of no article where Ethnologue add facts not found in other articles, while I can easily find articles where Ethnologue is used to state outright absurd claims that run contrary to all scholarship and research. In short, I do not think Ethnologue satisfy WP:RS and I don't see a reason why it should be used in any article. Jeppiz ( talk) 22:41, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
I've added a section on the more common problems I've noticed with Ethnologue data. — kwami ( talk) 21:50, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
A lot of language-related navboxes have been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 August 19. De728631 ( talk) 14:53, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
Category:Language templates ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) and Category:Linguistics templates ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) are up for discussion, see Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_August_19 -- 76.65.128.222 ( talk) 03:56, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
Articles with Ethnologue as a reference for speaker data have now been updated to E17. A few retain E15 or E16 in the ref field, either to show that an undated figure is old, because E17 does not support the language, or because of errors in the E17 entry. (These are tracked at Category:Language infobox tracking categories.) Except for a few odd cases where the reference field is not applicable, all infoboxes have something in the ref field, even if it's only 'citation needed'. All also have s.t. in the speaker field, though there's a question what we should do with Standard Chinese: should it be 'none' (like Standard Arabic), or left as 'data unavailable'? (Or we could just blank it, and that article would be the sole one in its tracking category.)
Currently rounding off populations to 2 sig figs. It had been 3, mostly, but that's far more precise than our sources warrant. We're actually lucky if we get even a single significant figure for most languages, so even with reducing it to 2 we're being spuriously precise. I've noticed in updating from E16 to E17 that increases or reductions of 4× or even 10× are not uncommon, that a language may go from an alleged 5,000 speakers or more to extinct. I had been doing this by hand, rounding to evens, but now am using a template so that the original figures remain in the coding, and the template always rounds up. The one irregularity is that I'm counting 10 as a single digit, as I was taught in school, so you'll see 103,000 or 10.3 million. This helps even out the rounding %age across digits, and also distinguishes that 10.3M from a 10M meaning somewhere between 5 and 15M. — kwami ( talk) 05:02, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
Assigning articles to a project may be tedious in some cases. One instance are articles on Phonology which both relates to phonetics and general linguistics. I have been consistent in assigning those articles to WikiProject Linguistics|phonetics=yes, deleting WPLANG tags when present. The idea behind his was that iff we need two different WP projects on languages (which I would not necessarily support), there should be some kind of division of work. Very recently, User:Lfdder implemented his own view of the matter by deleting all the phonetics tags and replacing them by WPLANG tags instead. Given that this seems to remove part of Phonetics task force’s raison d’etre, I feel inclined to do a full scale revert, but maybe we should reach consent first. So, do we want phonology articles to be in the scope of WP languages, WP linguistics/Phonetics, or in the scope of both? (I am about to create a link from the Phonetics project to our talk page, so please discuss here!) G Purevdorj ( talk) 02:17, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
Input from other editors would be appreciated. Currently, there's no clear majority. G Purevdorj ( talk) 11:42, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
This seems to be all the feedback we're getting. Should we add them to both projects then? — Lfdder ( talk) 15:04, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
Can we get someone with knowledge of languages to look at all these moves. Just odd stable articles all being redirected. -- Moxy ( talk) 23:49, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
I have updated Missing topics about Languages - Skysmith ( talk) 10:44, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
Right now,
Dene-Yeniseian has familycolor=Na-Dene
in its infobox, which looks a bit silly. Can someone edit the (protected) colour table and add in Dene-Yeniseain, marked as uncertain and with the same colour as Na-Dene?
KleptomaniacViolet (
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|familycolor = unclassified
. That will display a white table header.
De728631 (
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17:43, 7 September 2013 (UTC)The new Languages of Oregon template could use proofreading and improvement. Anyone here familiar with these language families? Djembayz ( talk) 01:19, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
See here. — Lfdder ( talk) 18:38, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
Edit warrior re. population and classification. Several editors rejected his earlier non-linguistic population sources, so now he's fighting for a cherry-picked linguistic source. We settled some time ago on omitting "Finno-Ugric" from all Uralic info-box classifications, but he's fighting to restore it to this one article. — kwami ( talk) 02:30, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
The page for Orejón needs to be expanded because that is not the autonym of the language and there is no information on the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Efgoodrich ( talk • contribs) 16:57, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
Can an admin who frequents this place fix this? Thanks — Lfdder ( talk) 16:46, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
Should we merge all 5 into this one? They're by all appearances dead. I tagged three a couple months ago as inactive; no one's untagged them. Anyway, merging them will mean less WikiProject banner clutter on talk pages. — Lfdder ( talk) 01:59, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
Well, it looks like at least one person cares about WP:ENLANG: [1]. ( Personal attack removed) — Lfdder ( talk) 13:33, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
Lfdder talked about redirecting . I don't know why we'd do that . Just mark the main page as inactive , and maybe archive and redirect the talk page . — kwami ( talk) 12:58, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
See: wikidata:User:RoboViolet/Language families. This is almost entirely from infobox data. A big chunk of the issues on display are caused by my script not being smart enough and being excessively paranoid about things it doesn't understand, but there are also some real things to think about (e.g., we don't consistently deal with the major sub-groupings of Western Romance). I think it's pretty nifty, if I say so myself! If you change an article (or tag a redirect) and want to see it reflected in the next iteration of output, leave a note on my talkpage and I'll add it to the list of pages updated since the database dump. KleptomaniacViolet ( talk) 08:44, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
Template:Language ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.131.217 ( talk) 11:21, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
Slow edit war at Emilian language. According to E17 it's extinct, with speakers having shifted to Italian. People keep adding a population of 2M, which refs that either refer to Emiliano–Romagnolo or to the ethnicity, but not to actual Emilian speakers. — kwami ( talk) 02:07, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
any idea what "Kelao" is in Hmongic languages#Matisoff (2006)? a Hmongic influence on Gelao? — kwami ( talk) 17:35, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
asked for feedback from wp:jew on Yiddish Sign Language . — kwami ( talk) 19:20, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
[I've since tried following up with Nicky Nouse, but got no response. — kwami ( talk) 03:21, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Guess things get more attention here than on the main page !
There are some irregularities in our boxes that I'd like to see replicated :
— kwami ( talk) 18:10, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
I figure that the technical side will look very much like the automatic species taxobox stuff, even if we don't share any code, so I've hacked on the cross-referencer to also produce output that resembles their data. There's a sample here (picking Dravidian because our articles already largely agree with each other); for comparison, the biological data looks like this, so the live language data would look something like this:
Display | Dravidian |
Link | Dravidian languages |
Always shown | Yes |
Display | Central |
Parent | Template:Automatic language infobox/Dravidian languages |
Always shown | Yes |
It's not currently outputting controversial/hypothetical/whatever fields, but that can be added. KleptomaniacViolet ( talk) 14:21, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
Code | Result |
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{{#invoke:Sandbox/KleptomaniacViolet/Language families/Autotree| gen_tree |Tamil languages}} |
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I can't tell you how many hours I've spent trying to harmonize all our language and family articles. Wish we'd had this earlier!
One thing we'd want, once we get this up and running, is accessibility for editors who don't know Lua. We should be able to change the field values to change a superior node, and if possible to create a new node. It looks straightforward, but the more obvious the better.
For dialects, would we need to add the languages as additional nodes? — kwami ( talk) 20:24, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
A minor point: We don't need to be so wordy in our names as "Kolami–Naiki Central Dravidian languages". "Kolami–Naiki languages" should be sufficient. (For one thing, the current name presupposes a classification which might be abandoned.)
Question: You have individual languages in the DB. Is this how you intend to proceed? I was thinking that we'd enter the lowest node in the info box, and that the script would take care of the rest. That is, that we'd only have DB entries for nodes shared by more than one article. If the individual languages need to be in the DB, then people won't be able to easily create info boxes for new language articles. — kwami ( talk) 20:37, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
I've been thinking about editor-friendliness, and I realised that one-node-per-subpage is still unfriendly. The thing is that the node titles (the "Kolami–Naiki Central Dravidian languages" above) are arbitrary as far as the final display is concerned: they only look like that right now because that's the unique canonicalised name derived for that node. And since it's arbitrary, discoverability would be a problem for editors changing the classification data.
Here's another idea: store complete trees in subpages somewhere, looking something like this:
{{ language family node | article = Dravidian languages | display = Dravidian }} * {{ language family node | display = South }} :* {{ language family node | article = [[Tamil-Kannada]] | display = Tamil–Kannada }} ::* {{ language family node | display = Tamil–Kodagu }} :::* {{ language family node | display = Tamil–Malayalam }} ::::* {{ language family node | article = Tamil languages | display = Tamil }} :::::* {{ language family node | article = Tamil language | display = Tamil }} ::* {{ language family node | display = Kannada–Badaga }} :::* {{ language family node | article = Kannada dialects | display = Kannada }} ::::* {{ language family node | article = Kannada language | display = Kannada }}
These subpages would then be processed by a bot, which would then generate a Lua data file. I think we can't get away from a bot generating the data, since we'll also need links downwards from parent nodes to child nodes for their infoboxes, and manually including them denormalises the database. I'm not 100% happy with this, and if anyone has any ideas on the topic of how to store the canonical database and how to get that data into a form for easy module consumption, I'd love to hear them.
RE languages as nodes: the intention is for the infobox to use the title of the page it's transcluded on as the first node title. Ideally, editors won't have to care about what the internal names of the nodes are: nodes without articles will get weird-looking names, but that's okay because the nodes with articles will have their names correspond to the article title. (Moves may be a problem, but I assume they won't be so frequent that manual fixing can't keep up.) New articles will need placing in the tree, which would be an extra step in the workflow, but the manual infobox will be sticking around for editors who don't know about/don't want to edit the central database, and they can be reconciled later. KleptomaniacViolet ( talk) 13:40, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
Okay. On consideration, using {{{PAGENAME}}} does introduce too much magic and makes moving articles too awkward. Here's another idea: a node_title
parameter to the automatic template, that will normally be identical to an article's title unless it's been moved recently and the database doesn't reflect the new name. A default automatic infobox could be substed onto the article by a meta-template as part of the suggested new article process maybe. There'd also need to be an optional second parameter, node_title_fallback
, to cut the knot when updating the article's title in the database until it filters through and the new name is ready to use.
I'm currently leaning towards the bot option, since it's less of an unknown for me to implement. I'll put my code up on github now, and I'll try and make sure that manual updating is feasible until the bot is running, and if it ever breaks down.
RE splitting up trees: that will work as it is, so long as the common node is an article node. There's a little bit of room for redundancy here, but it's the sort that can very easily be automatically checked and have the bot complain about. KleptomaniacViolet ( talk) 14:04, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
Github. The README has instructions on how to run it, and also a list of pages it's got an interest in. It doesn't operate autonomously yet as a full-fledged bot. I put up all the generated trees from infoboxes on subpages of User:KleptomaniacViolet/Language families data. I don't suggest correcting them by hand yet, since my uploader is stupid and will overwrite your edits, and I think there's still a chunk of automatic inference that can be squeezed out.
@kwami: Languages with the same name aren't a problem since our articles are going to be distinct, and their node titles are equal to their article titles. Non-article nodes have titles specifically constructed to avoid collisions: they include the name of their nearest ancestor that has an article, as well as the intermediate nodes in between. The display name isn't factored in at all as far as walking the tree goes. I think that answers your concern, but I'm not quite sure I've understood it. Feel free to have a poke around with the stuff I put up, and see if you find anything that worries you. KleptomaniacViolet ( talk) 18:46, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
{{node | article = Dravidian languages | display = Dravidian}} :{{node | display = Southern}} ::{{node | display = South-Central}} :::{{node | article = Telugu languages | display = Telugu}}
{{node | article = Dravidian languages | display = Dravidian}} :{{node | display = South-Central}} ::{{node | article = Telugu languages | display = Telugu}}
Off topic slightly, I think we should just use the linguistic names of the nodes. South-Central Dravidian, for example, should just be South-Central Dravidian, and likewise Southern Dravidian. Most names are already unambiguous.
As long as we have a robust way of tracking and verifying that languages are in the proper family, we should be alright. But I keep thinking of the IPA fix-up categories, which have gotten away from us a bit. With close to 10,000 articles, this could get away from us too if we're not careful. — kwami ( talk) 11:51, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
There are also languages which are not clearly part of any one branch, such as Menchum language and Esimbi language. — kwami ( talk) 10:07, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
Hi!
I originally wrote this at the Village pump, but it was suggested I try here first.
I got this idea a few months ago, ever since footnotes on en:Wiki were made able to hover above the mouse pointer when the pointer hovers above the footnote number, [1]. [Since floating notes do not seem to work at WikiProjects, you might want to copy-paste the code for this entire section into the sandbox and preview it, to see what I mean.]
I was thinking if it's possible to make a type of "invisible" footnote which would not be listed at the bottom of an article, but that would only exist as a hovering note. (Therefore it wouldn't even technically be a "footnote" any more!)
Reasons:
This would be especially useful in linguistics articles. Often, when a language is written in another alphabet, any examples would, in a best-case scenario, be given in at least three parts – i.e. 1) the original word/sentence 2) its English transliteration, and 3) the English translation. e.g.
This is an oversimplified example, but I hope you get the point.
The major problem arises due to the fact that, in language articles, such triple-script examples are avoided for clarity, and so stage 2, the transliteration, is necessarily sacrificed entirely. Which is all well and good for people that can read Cyrillic, but not for anyone else that may be interested in Russian. Therefore the article a priori excludes a whole cross-section of readers.
Because of this, language articles are currently extremely exclusive of whole swathes of readers who are not already partly fluent in a given language, for precisely this reason. But many linguistically-minded people are interested in different languages precisely because they appreciate the intricacies and beauty of different languages.
And Cyrillic is comparatively easy for speakers of Roman-script languages. What do we do when the article uses Arabic, Devanagari, Chinese, or whatever (especially for people who don't have East Asian fonts installed, that can't even see the letters, let alone attempt to understand them...)
This I feel would be improved if the stage 2 was therefore written by using this "invisible note" that I'm proposing, which will allow inclusion of all Wikipedia users. It would therefore look something like this –
Or, since we're at it, to actually go all the way –
Or, perhaps simpler [4] (including the original Cyrillic, for clarity?)
Since such examples would be in the dozens for larger articles, having them as proper footnotes would be impractical, as they would fill up the majority of the article. Hence the use of zero/hovering notes that I'm proposing, that don't appear at the bottom of the articles, but only when the mouse hovers over them.
Obviously, the users who write the articles and thus create the hover notes would choose which, if any, of the lines (transliteration; IPA, whatever), to include, and these could t hen be added to by anyone that wants to. In the same vein, there could be a small "settings" cog in the corner, just as there is in current pop-up footnotes, and users can themselves choose which lines they want to have included – for example, maybe one user will their hover notes to only include the respelling line, another may want only transliteration and IPS, or whatever.
This type of note would be created for this specific purpose by a technically-minded colleague. The good thing about this is that all this would not just work for linguistics, but maths, the sciences, and so many other subjects could find use for them. What do you all think, should we ask their creation by at the Village pump?
Thanks for your attention! BigSteve ( talk) 19:57, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
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I've added Fuck (film) to TFA nominations, discussion is at Wikipedia:Today's_featured_article/requests#Fuck_.28film.29. — Cirt ( talk) 22:34, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
I've listed the article Fuck: Word Taboo and Protecting Our First Amendment Liberties for peer review.
Help with furthering along the quality improvement process would be appreciated, at Wikipedia:Peer review/Fuck: Word Taboo and Protecting Our First Amendment Liberties/archive1.
Thank you for your time,
— Cirt ( talk) 01:07, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
There are currently three requested moves underway that are relevant to this WikiProject:
Please contribute to the discussion and help find consensus. Aɴɢʀ ( talk) 12:17, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
The List of Romanian words of possible Dacian origin article has been proposed for deletion. Your opinions are welcomed. -- Norden1990 ( talk) 17:39, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
Discussion here. — kwami ( talk) 03:36, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
There's a discussion at Cornish language over whether it's appropriate to say the language went extinct (before revival) in the info box. Every linguistic source I can find says the language went extinct, and if they mention Davies or other supposed native speakers, describe them as having some knowledge that had been passed down but not full language ability. But revivalist sources claim the language never did go extinct, and that people like Davies were a bridge to a new generation of native speakers. — kwami ( talk) 00:41, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
I've nominated Fuck: Word Taboo and Protecting Our First Amendment Liberties for Featured Article candidacy.
Comments would be appreciated, at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Fuck: Word Taboo and Protecting Our First Amendment Liberties/archive1.
Thank you for your time,
— Cirt ( talk) 05:32, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
Hello, does anyone here work with the Unami language, Delaware languages, or Algonquian languages? I've had a headache over the last few weeks dealing with an editor who has his own orthographic system that he's determined to interject into Lenape-related articles, despite the fact that they aren't published anywhere. He's not a linguist or affiliated with the Delaware Tribe of Indian's Lenape Language Preservation Project (or any federally or state-recognized tribe). I'm not getting through with warnings against original research. He's mainly been working on Lenape, Susquehannock, Lenapehoking, and many geographical articles around Pennsylvania. This is the kind of material I've had to remove:
Almost every historian has misinterpreted the simple meaning of “Lenape.” According to interviews with those who have some familiarity of the ancient language, Doris Riverbird of Quitapahilla, Pennsylvania, and Gary "Deer Standing Schreckengost" (Ah-too Nee-poo We-po-schwa-gen She-pong of Neshaminy, Mahantango, Tionesta, and Cocalico, Pennsylvania...
Any assistance or advice how to stem the tide of original research and original orthographies would be greatly appreciated. - Uyvsdi ( talk) 21:28, 8 December 2013 (UTC)Uyvsdi
Brunei English ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) was ranked "high" importance to your project. As it is a dialect and not a language, is that assessment correct? -- 76.65.128.112 ( talk) 05:28, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
Peter Roach uploaded his RP recording that JIPA uses for its IPA transcription of English. It's been marked for deletion as copyvio. I've made some suggestions on his talk page; notifying y'all in case s.o. has a better suggestion or can navigate the bureaucracy better than us. — kwami ( talk) 19:01, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
Apparently no such exists yet, so I've created one and documented it here. I'd like to move it to template namespace and start using it in articles as soon as possible so...comments are welcome! -- Ivan Štambuk ( talk) 02:45, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
{{
ISO 639 name}}
or some such. —
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Two articles related to this WikiProject, Guwen and Classical Chinese, have been proposed for a merger . If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. — LlywelynII 08:11, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
The developers are working towards offering mw:VisualEditor to all users at about 50 Wikipedias that have complex language requirements. Many editors at these Wikipedias depend on being able to insert special characters to be able to write articles.
A special character inserter tool is available in VisualEditor now. They would like to know what you think about this tool, especially if you speak languages other than English. To try the ⧼visualeditor-specialcharacterinspector-title⧽ tool, please:
To let the developers know what you think, please leave them a message with your comments and the language(s) that you tested at the feedback thread on Mediawiki.org or here at the English Wikipedia at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback. It is really important that the developers hear from as many editors as possible. Thank you, Whatamidoing (WMF) ( talk) 20:28, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
Move request at Talk:Silesian_language#Requested_move2. Difficult case due to the ambiguity of the name "Silesian" and the lack of good sources. — kwami ( talk) 22:10, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
Data at Hebrew language from newspapers etc. One problem is that many sources do not specify whether their figures are for native speakers, and for Hebrew this makes a huge difference. Granted, Ethn. is not the greatest source. Anyone have anything better? — kwami ( talk) 04:15, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
Would you be interested in participating in a user study? We are a team at University of Washington studying methods for finding collaborators within a Wikipedia community. We are looking for volunteers to evaluate a new visualization tool. All you need to do is to prepare for your laptop/desktop, web camera, and speaker for video communication with Google Hangout. We will provide you with a Amazon gift card in appreciation of your time and participation. For more information about this study, please visit our wiki page ( http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Finding_a_Collaborator). If you would like to participate in our user study, please send me a message at Wkmaster ( talk) 12:13, 30 January 2014 (UTC).
There's a move discussion at Bushmen. Since both terms are derogatory, it's a bit contentious. — kwami ( talk) 01:25, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
I've archived some inactive threads to subsections which were notifications about discussions that have since been closed. — Cirt ( talk) 06:01, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
I'm trying to make sense of Zou language which seems to have been the victim of some sort of nomenclature wars. One of its sources is Ethnologue [3] and I'm not sure what it means so far as the name of this language goes. Thanks. Dougweller ( talk) 15:56, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
This is a note to let the main editors of Fuck (film) know that the article will be appearing as today's featured article on March 1, 2014. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. If you prefer that the article appear as TFA on a different date, or not at all, please ask Bencherlite ( talk · contribs). You can view the TFA blurb at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/March 1, 2014. If it needs tweaking, or if it needs rewording to match improvements to the article between now and its main page appearance, please edit it, following the instructions at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/instructions. The blurb as it stands now is below:
Fuck is a 2005 American documentary film by director Steve Anderson, which argues that the word is key to discussions about freedom of speech and censorship. The film provides perspectives from art, linguistics, society and comedy. Linguist Reinhold Albert Aman, journalism analyst David Shaw, language professor Geoffrey Nunberg and Oxford English Dictionary editor Jesse Sheidlower explain the term's history and evolution. The film features the last interview of author Hunter S. Thompson before his suicide. It was first shown at the AFI Film Festival at ArcLight Hollywood; it has subsequently been released on DVD in America and in the UK and used as a resource on several university courses. The New York Times critic A. O. Scott called the film a battle between advocates of morality and supporters of freedom of expression, while other reviews criticized its length and repetitiveness. Law professor Christopher M. Fairman commented on the film's importance in his 2009 book on the same subject. The American Film Institute said, "Ultimately, [it] is a movie about free speech ... Freedom of expression must extend to words that offend." ( Full article...)
UcuchaBot ( talk) 23:01, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
Above was posted to my user talk page, posting here as well. Cheers, — Cirt ( talk) 23:19, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
Someone with linguistic background is needed to make sense of romanization applied to Japan-related articles. Come to visit Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Japan-related articles#No standards, only deliberate differentiation and Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Japan-related articles#No standards outside Wikipedia, no standards in Wikipedia. -- Nanshu ( talk) 14:04, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
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Is there a style guide that is specific to pages about languages? Things like how to show phonology, grammar, things like that. What I'm looking for specifically is what consensus there is (if there is one) on including samples of a language in the form of a short list of common phrases, like we have on Zulu language. Personally I think those are not well-suited to an encyclopedic article, more suited to a dedicated phrasebook or a dictionary (that is, Wiktionary, which includes phrasebooks just like these). CodeCat ( talk) 21:22, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
Hello, everyone. There is a WP:RfC on whether or not the leads of articles should generally be no longer than four paragraphs (refer to WP:Manual of Style/Lead section for the current guideline). As this will affect Wikipedia on a wide scale, including WikiProjects that often deal with article formatting, if the proposed change is implemented, I invite you to the discussion; see here: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Lead section#RFC on four paragraph lead. Flyer22 ( talk) 16:35, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
Anyone interested in commenting?!? Thanatos| talk| contributions 13:39, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
Someone may want to have a look at List of English words of Malayalam origin. I added some {{ citation needed}} and other maintenance tags to some words whose origins are not precisely known. (Several words that entered English from Sanskrit have clear Dravidian roots, but just which Dravidian language should "get the credit" is probably an unanswerable question. At least, I know of no objective scholar who has answered it.) Another user has responded by creating a "Notes" section with historical arguments that look like original research. Cnilep ( talk) 04:00, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
Is Pala scholaris an English word? I would have said "no", but it's hard to prove a negative (and this user probably already thinks I'm out to get him/her). Does the fact that it's not in the Oxford English Dictionary matter? Cnilep ( talk) 06:14, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
Fuck: Word Taboo and Protecting Our First Amendment Liberties was promoted to Featured Article quality.
Thank you very much to all who helped with this successful quality improvement project related to freedom of speech and censorship,
— Cirt ( talk) 00:39, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
I can't figure out what this is. It had 3 links all to a Tanzanian language, but says it is related to Farsi, Pashto and Urdu and is almost extinct. There seems to be an article in the Urdu Wiki on this but also without sources. [4]. Thanks. Dougweller ( talk) 16:03, 23 March 2014 (UTC)