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I think List of ISO 639-3 codes should be renamed as List of ISO 639 alpha-3 codes or simply moved to List of ISO 639 codes. The same set of codes are not just used in ISO 639-3, but also ISO 639-2 and ISO 639-5. -- ✉ Hello World! 08:32, 17 July 2008 (UTC) Furthermore, there are lots of info about "native names" in the articles List of ISO 639-1 codes and List of ISO 639-2 codes. However, these native names are not included in the ISO standard; therefore I think that a better way is to move this part into this article ( List of languages by name, or its sub-lists), remaining only ISO 639 codes, English names and French names (French names is a part of the ISO 639). -- ✉ Hello World! 10:49, 14 July 2008 (UTC) My plan is to:
-- ✉ Hello World! 08:44, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
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I found a major error in this regard, so I am going to avoid relying Ethnologue for Indo-Aryan as much as possible. At least until recently, the best "handbook" for Indo-Aryan has been Masica 1991. (Recently, the field has been enhanced with the publication of a second handbook, George Cardona and Dhanesh Jain (eds.), 2003, The Indo-Aryan languages (Routledge).) Ethnologue implies, through the respective population figures, that the border between "eastern P" and "western P" coincides with the India-Pakistan border (which splits the historical region of Punjab). This contradicts other scholarship, in particular Masica 1991. In fact, the local language of both the geographically Punjabi metropolis of Lahore, Pakistan and the geographically Punjabi city of Amritsar, India is indeed the same language, and that is eastern Punjabi. See Masica, p 20 and p 441. Hurmata ( talk) 18:44, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Ethnologue is badly confused as well as to the very matter of classification. This is a second reason to rely on sources other than Ethnologue when it comes to Indo-Aryan (I-A) languages, at least. (For background, be advised that for the last century, a major influence on I-A dialectology has been the Linguistic Survey of India (LSI; 21 vols.) by Grierson, published in 1903-28; reprinted 1968. Some of Grierson's ideas, in particular his proposed "Lahnda language", have been virtually debunked by subsequent workers, yet only virtually, and they continue to be used by lay persons, and this is to some extent reflected in the inventory of Wikipedia articles on I-A languages.)
"Panjabi, Western. 60,647,207 in Pakistan (2000 WCD). Population total all countries: 60,812,093 .... Alternate names: Western Punjabi, Lahnda, Lahanda, Lahndi. .... 'Lahnda' is a name given earlier for Western Panjabi."
But the population of the Pakistani province of Punjab was estimated in 2003 at 79 million, which includes 13.4 m. speakers of Siraiki (Seraiki) in the south of the province. 60.6 m + 13.4 m. = 74 m. Clearly, the only way you can claim that the number of speakers of "western Punjabi" nearly coincides with the non-Siraiki speaking population of Pakistani Punjab is through that misbelief that "western Punjabi" indeed is "Lahnda". According to Punjab_(India), the recent population of the Indian state of Punjab is 24 m. Bear in mind that the states of India are by political design based as much as possible on predominant language (in the sociocultural sense of 'language') -- Punjab was set up as "the Punjabi language state".Panjabi, Eastern. 27,109,000 in India. (1991) ... Population total all countries: 28,006,704." [They then list localities in India and the West where the language is spoken.]
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The following articles do not cover any pure numeral system where the symbols and notations are clearly defined, instead they cover how numbers are used in the respective languages. I have proposed all of them be moved. Please discuss HERE.
Thank you. -- Voidvector ( talk) 07:45, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
Okay, now this might not be the best place to put this. But I thought this group would be a big group of people who know language.
I am currently in the process of creating a numerical and categorised structured language, and was wondering if anyone was willing to comment, it's a long language, but can be understood easy once the foundations are known.
Please read the following two blog posts, and tell me what you think of the language, and any comments on it.
1. http://maqui-ne.blogspot.com/2008/09/organisms-cats.html 2. http://maqui-ne.blogspot.com/2008/09/3-and-and-mental-verbs.html
IAmTheCoinMan ( talk) 15:37, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Sanskrit revival - as this is a phenomenon relevant to the 20th and 21st century, the subject should be expanded to reflect this transition from one century to another. As this is a large subject, the addition of many editors from diverse perspectives would benefit the expansion of this article. Thanks. Ism schism ( talk) 19:03, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
I am wondering if every article on a language should contain a sample of about 1 paragraph of text in both English and in the language that the article is about, preferably the same consensus-selected text uniform across all languages. [For example, you could use a paragraph of WP:NPOV (using a literal translation if possible).]
69.140.152.55 ( talk) 19:08, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
I bring to your attention the article Arabist, which seems to me potentially important and yet fundamentally weak. I tried to add Lady Hester Stanhope, in whom I have a passing interest, and was reverted by a new editor who added a whole essay about racism. I cannot fight this battle, but thought at least the article should be brought under your collective noses, if not microscopes; hence I aded the project flag -- it previously had nothing. Good luck! BrainyBabe ( talk) 13:59, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
There's been a lot of discussion recently over the application of the WP:DICDEF. There seems to be an ever-increasing number of articles that appear to be violating the principle of not including dictionary articles, but still keep surviving AfDs because people believe they are well-written, or that they have room for encyclopedic expansion. Very poignant examples are articles like yes and no, but also vulgarisms like fart. There are a few threads going over at Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia is not a dictionary. I think it would be useful if we could have more insight from linguists into this, especially since many of the AfDs seem to be decided by pile-on votes that simply ignore the distinctions between dictionaries and encyclopedias.
Peter Isotalo 16:10, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
There are, according to list of wikipedias, some 262 language editions of Wikipedia, but I believe that Romansch is not among them. Does any one want to start Wikipedia in Romansch language? ACEOREVIVED ( talk) 19:34, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm of the opinion that a change Danezaa → Dunneza should be made ( Beaver (tribe) in northeastern BC and northwestern Alberta). See Talk:Danezaa. Skookum1 ( talk) 04:10, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi; noting the lede on the project page about standardizing content on language pages, may I make a request that editors/contributors endenavour to have more than just phonology, morphology and syntax discussions/disputes in language-page contents. It's very frustrating and also alienating for "lay readers" who are unfamiliar either with the abstruse discussions/analyses of the formal structures of various languages to not find anything about the language "as she is spoke". Some pages have common phrases, bits of dialogue, and the like, and that's something I hope gets incorporated into your ratings/class system here as it's much-needed content to make articles on languages accessible to ordinary readers. This may be less important with languages remote from the North American/Anglosphere experience and for defunct languages and so on, but in areas and cultures where multiple languages are part of the landscape - literally. I edit extensively on British Columbia and Pacific Northwest and occasionally other Canadian and US articles, and there are no end of placenames in need of translation by "those who know", and there is little online in the way of dictionary/toponymy resources for most of these languages. Often what winds up happening is "tourist brochure translations" become somewhat standard, even when incorrect, if and when they are available. At the moment I just finished creating the Dil-Dil Plateau article and would have liked to give a translation of what it means, presumably in the Chilcotin language but there are no language resources online. Now, I wasn't expecting to find a lexicon on the Chilcotin language page but I was hoping to find either a dictionary link, or at least to be able to ask on the Talk:Chilcotin language page....then I found my old post there, from March 2008, listing Chilcotin placenames and asking for a translation of any of them. No such luck, despite a very thorough expansion of the phonology and morphology sections and nice infobox and so on; mercifully it still is only "stub" class in your project....This is only one of the dozens of examples just within BC concerning languages whose words are commonplace in local English because of geographic usages, and BCGNIS rarely has the answer (sometimes does though). I'm obviously too prolix to write up an addition to your talkpage about endeavouring to build semantic/lexical content, but in cases/regions/categories where indigenous languages are "part of the landscape", could there please be a special effort to assist geographic editors in making the geogrphiac etc articles more complete by digging out translations from wahtever texts the researchers who built hte phonology/morphology from their sources? "We" often get complaints that "white people don't give the indigenous names" of places, but at the same time indigenous language scholars and indigenous language-offices aren't very forthcoming with lay people/white people about cultural toponymy for fear they'll be appropriated; but simultaneously can be heard to complaining that white people are ignorant of native culture, history, language. Gatekeeping and condemning at the same time...I don't mean to complain, only to ask that "the doors of meaning" become opened, and maybe this project is a place to start: if you're a morphologist adding to an article concerning a language like Carrier or Secwepemc, do you mind looking around the related region categories for placenames that could use translation-material in their articles? Thanks. Sorry to be so long-winded....it's kind of my own language; I don't think in point form well.... Skookum1 ( talk) 02:58, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
User:Olegwiki just posted this very interesting link on the Russian America article so I'm shopping it around to related wikiprojects, obviously including this one though I already placed it on Talk:Russian language. Perhaps an article on Russian dialects in Alaska might be more than worthwhile? Not my field, but interesting no? Skookum1 ( talk) 16:49, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
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The Languages template is very useful. Has any thought been given to providing similar guidance on articles for individual dialects of a given language? A general framework might provide useful assistance for editors looking to help develop good quality articles on dialects.
Thanks. John.
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17:44, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
I noticed that there's no really reliable figure for the number of speakers Swedish in Swedish language. I've started a thread over at Talk:Swedish language#Number of speakers in an attempt to address the issue. If you have suggestions or just want to chime in, please join the discussion.
Peter Isotalo 14:20, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
These articles seem to be about different languages, see:
Regardless of which language is more properly referred to as "West Frisian" the above titles are not an acceptable way to disambiguate between them. Readers and editors alike should expect titles as semantically similar as this to point to the same topic. That is, one of these should redirect to the other and the other language should be moved to some other title with at least one unique word distinguishing it from the first language. — CharlotteWebb 11:02, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
I have just found this unreferenced stub on a South Slavic "language" spoken in the city of Orahovac, in western Kosovo. If it merits its own entry, I guess that a cleaned-up version should be moved to a different title (" Rahoveci dialect", " Orahovac dialect" or even " naš govor" ?). I leave the issue in your capable hands. :-) Regards, Ev ( talk) 17:29, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
I've just created a new article Makonde language, but as I am not familiar with the structure of a language article, so may anyone pass-by take a look and add anything that is needed for a language article, such as infobox. Thx! Salt ( talk) 10:01, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Could someone expand Experientia docet a little? kilbad ( talk) 18:37, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
Is Angaur language a real language? It is supposedly an official language of Angaur Island in Palau, but I can't confirm it even exists. Is it perhaps a local dialect of Palauan? (Angaur Isle is within the Palauan language circle on the Ethnologue map.) 'Cept Palauan doesn't have any divergent dialects ... kwami ( talk) 05:37, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
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Like there is a lot of tagging work, what do you think about making proposal for the tasks of tagging in a new section in the main page? (By exemple, I can tag the A rated articles). So the work can be distributed better and everyone can know what are the others making and decide in what can he collaborate.-- Auslli ( talk) 14:56, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm templating and ranking the articles. There are more than 3,000. -- Auslli ( talk) 22:57, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Here there is a proposal:
Label | Criteria | Reader's experience | Example |
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Top | These are the most spoken languages in the world and the languages who are spoken in more countries. Also we can consider Languages that by their top level importance in the history must be here. | A reader who is not involved in the language field will have high familiarity with the subject matter and should be able to relate to the topic easily. | English language |
High | These are languages that, because of their importance trough the time, are well-known by the visitor. | More of the readers with a medium-level known about languages have listened to talk about them. | Romanian language |
Mid | Languages middle known, with written literature, with international studies about them and considered that, because of their importance for the group or the work the rater is developing about this language, must be labeled in this way. | Some readers will be familiar with the languages, but a larger majority of readers may have only cursory knowledge of them. | Leonese language |
Low | All the other articles. |
The source of the table come for WikiProject Austri, then I've done the categories. Also we can consider (finally I don't like it so much) to consider Low that kind of articles with the highest rating because they are finished. I did it with Aramaic but I think it must be very explanined and there are better solutions. I hope this scale can help.-- Auslli ( talk) 09:19, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Label | Criteria | Reader's experience | Work in the article | |
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Top | Most spoken languages in the world and languages who are spoken in more countries. Languages that by their top level importance in the history must be here or those how could be labeled as High importance level but where a member of the Project is working in. | A reader who is not involved in the language field will have high familiarity with the subject matter and should be able to relate to the topic easily. | One member of the Project is working in the article, for languages that aren't the most spoken. | |
High | Languages middle known, with written literature, with international studies about them, or less used languages where a member of the Project is working in. | More of the readers with a medium-level known about languages have listened to talk about them. | One member of the Project is wroking in the article for less used languages. | |
Mid | Languages not in higher rates, dialects and articles where there is a member working in. | Some readers will be familiar with the languages, but a larger majority of readers may have only cursory knowledge of them. | One member of the Project is working in if the article is not a language | Romagnol |
Low | All the other articles. |
-- Auslli ( talk) 13:42, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
The criterion „work in the article“ does not relate to the article itself and should be abandoned. It would also be difficult to operate as the actual presence or absence of an engaged moderator would have to be determined. While I’m sceptical whether the distinction between “Top” and “High” is justified, I make a proposal of my own:
Examples:
G Purevdorj ( talk) 09:25, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
I think this proposal resumes all what we have been talking. Just now, let open the door to some articles could "ascend" of category by its known exceptional value, and I think we have a very good solution.-- Auslli ( talk) 13:12, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
I must say I'm a bit puzzled by the motivation "most relevant language of its linguistic group" that uses Leonese language as an example. What relevance is referred to here, and what does "linguistic group" mean? Language family? Sub-family? Sprachbund? Leonese seems like a very poor example since it's a very small language and would be an important member only if you consider a very small sub-group of a much larger group of languages. If you applied the same reasoning for much smaller langauge families, you would probably wind up rating near-extinct languages in Papua New Guinea ranked higher than thriving languages in West Africa. And I have major trouble understanding why Leonese should be rated higher than Turkish languages or even Seoul dialect.
I'm also not sure what to make of the top level criteria. For example, is Swedish language top or high level? It's certainly an important regional language, and the most widely spoken North Germanic language, but it still feels odd to place it on the same level as Hindi or Indonesian. Any thoughts on this?
Peter Isotalo 08:12, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
Could someone whose computer doesn't screw around with wikipedia (like mine) please undo the changes that magically appeared when I tried to add my username, then subsequently tried to UNDO those changes. Also, if you can be bothered, add my name to the list! Thanks :) gaidheal1 ( talk) 13:47, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Is here. Background is here. Your input would be most helpful and appreciated. Beeblebrox ( talk) 23:32, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
I think we must decide if we want to merge or not this project with Language familis, because it has been talked for a long time, and the other project seems to be dead.-- Auslli ( talk) 07:56, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
is there a List of ethnic slurs? I am asking this here because there is a template indicating it is under the scope of this project. I was trying to find some sort of discussion on this, but the talk page simply seems to be a chorus of "Oh, here's one you forgot". How is that something that should be included in an encyclopedia? I realize Wikipedia is not censored, but a page like this serves no purpose other than as a reference for bigots. -- Susan118 ( talk) 02:19, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
To improve article " Russian language" per this review. The article is about to become a Good one. SkyBon Talk\ Contributions 16:12, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
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Hi, can some of you chime in on this Latin phrase Canes pugnaces, they are trying to #Redirect/delete it to the a similar English translation Dogs in warfare. See the talk page here: Talk:Canes_pugnaces. Thank you. Green Squares ( talk) 14:58, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
Ockay, one cannot say Croatian and Serbian is the same language. That would mean Croats and Serbs are the same. If that were true, there wouldn't be a war and Yugoslavia would exist. Besides, those are two different cultures and therefore two different languages. Croats were in the Western Roman Empire, they are Roman Catholics, have latin influence in the language and use Latin script. Serbs, in the other hand, were in the Byzantine Empire, are Orthodox Christians, have greek influence in the language and use Cyrillic. So, could you please separate them??
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I can't see a reason for so many pages that are no more than "hilarious mistakes speakers of language X make when they are learning English", and are WP:OR, unsourced, or poorly sourced. That and lists of loan words from English dressed up as some crazy thing. There seems to be a lot of borrowed notability from Engrish, which is more than simply mistakes of East Asian learners. Whereas Engrish is a notable phenomenon in communication between speakers of the same language (advertising etc.), Dunglish (Dutch+English)? Really?
I recommend a cull. We shouldn't have articles on barely or non-existent phenomena. VsevolodKrolikov ( talk) 05:55, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm not part of this group but I am considering starting a Wikiproject for the Latin Language, I was wondering what the thoughts of this wikiproject are and whether it should be 'under the wing' of this one. 95jb14 ( talk) 15:49, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
I want to help in this project. -- El estremeñu ( talk) 21:33, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
We have a rather serious problem concerning some of the pronunciation templates. Please see discussion at Template talk:pronounced#This needs immidate fixing.
Peter Isotalo 11:55, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Please see Talk:Tajik Persian#Tajikistani Persian and comment. There is a slow-motion edit war over the past few days about the proper title for the article --- Tajik Persian or Tajik language. Thanks, cab ( talk) 10:37, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
I have drastically expanded the article Otomi language and am hoping to take it to FA in the near future. I have listed the article for peer review. Any additions, comments, or suggestions to improve it will be happily accepted. ·Maunus·ƛ· 18:11, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
I have proposed that Kernewek Kemmyn, Kernowek Standard, Modern Cornish and Unified Cornish be merged into one article at Cornish orthography. Please discuss, support or oppose the proposal here. -- Kernoweger ( talk) 12:22, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
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I think List of ISO 639-3 codes should be renamed as List of ISO 639 alpha-3 codes or simply moved to List of ISO 639 codes. The same set of codes are not just used in ISO 639-3, but also ISO 639-2 and ISO 639-5. -- ✉ Hello World! 08:32, 17 July 2008 (UTC) Furthermore, there are lots of info about "native names" in the articles List of ISO 639-1 codes and List of ISO 639-2 codes. However, these native names are not included in the ISO standard; therefore I think that a better way is to move this part into this article ( List of languages by name, or its sub-lists), remaining only ISO 639 codes, English names and French names (French names is a part of the ISO 639). -- ✉ Hello World! 10:49, 14 July 2008 (UTC) My plan is to:
-- ✉ Hello World! 08:44, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
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I found a major error in this regard, so I am going to avoid relying Ethnologue for Indo-Aryan as much as possible. At least until recently, the best "handbook" for Indo-Aryan has been Masica 1991. (Recently, the field has been enhanced with the publication of a second handbook, George Cardona and Dhanesh Jain (eds.), 2003, The Indo-Aryan languages (Routledge).) Ethnologue implies, through the respective population figures, that the border between "eastern P" and "western P" coincides with the India-Pakistan border (which splits the historical region of Punjab). This contradicts other scholarship, in particular Masica 1991. In fact, the local language of both the geographically Punjabi metropolis of Lahore, Pakistan and the geographically Punjabi city of Amritsar, India is indeed the same language, and that is eastern Punjabi. See Masica, p 20 and p 441. Hurmata ( talk) 18:44, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Ethnologue is badly confused as well as to the very matter of classification. This is a second reason to rely on sources other than Ethnologue when it comes to Indo-Aryan (I-A) languages, at least. (For background, be advised that for the last century, a major influence on I-A dialectology has been the Linguistic Survey of India (LSI; 21 vols.) by Grierson, published in 1903-28; reprinted 1968. Some of Grierson's ideas, in particular his proposed "Lahnda language", have been virtually debunked by subsequent workers, yet only virtually, and they continue to be used by lay persons, and this is to some extent reflected in the inventory of Wikipedia articles on I-A languages.)
"Panjabi, Western. 60,647,207 in Pakistan (2000 WCD). Population total all countries: 60,812,093 .... Alternate names: Western Punjabi, Lahnda, Lahanda, Lahndi. .... 'Lahnda' is a name given earlier for Western Panjabi."
But the population of the Pakistani province of Punjab was estimated in 2003 at 79 million, which includes 13.4 m. speakers of Siraiki (Seraiki) in the south of the province. 60.6 m + 13.4 m. = 74 m. Clearly, the only way you can claim that the number of speakers of "western Punjabi" nearly coincides with the non-Siraiki speaking population of Pakistani Punjab is through that misbelief that "western Punjabi" indeed is "Lahnda". According to Punjab_(India), the recent population of the Indian state of Punjab is 24 m. Bear in mind that the states of India are by political design based as much as possible on predominant language (in the sociocultural sense of 'language') -- Punjab was set up as "the Punjabi language state".Panjabi, Eastern. 27,109,000 in India. (1991) ... Population total all countries: 28,006,704." [They then list localities in India and the West where the language is spoken.]
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The following articles do not cover any pure numeral system where the symbols and notations are clearly defined, instead they cover how numbers are used in the respective languages. I have proposed all of them be moved. Please discuss HERE.
Thank you. -- Voidvector ( talk) 07:45, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
Okay, now this might not be the best place to put this. But I thought this group would be a big group of people who know language.
I am currently in the process of creating a numerical and categorised structured language, and was wondering if anyone was willing to comment, it's a long language, but can be understood easy once the foundations are known.
Please read the following two blog posts, and tell me what you think of the language, and any comments on it.
1. http://maqui-ne.blogspot.com/2008/09/organisms-cats.html 2. http://maqui-ne.blogspot.com/2008/09/3-and-and-mental-verbs.html
IAmTheCoinMan ( talk) 15:37, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Sanskrit revival - as this is a phenomenon relevant to the 20th and 21st century, the subject should be expanded to reflect this transition from one century to another. As this is a large subject, the addition of many editors from diverse perspectives would benefit the expansion of this article. Thanks. Ism schism ( talk) 19:03, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
I am wondering if every article on a language should contain a sample of about 1 paragraph of text in both English and in the language that the article is about, preferably the same consensus-selected text uniform across all languages. [For example, you could use a paragraph of WP:NPOV (using a literal translation if possible).]
69.140.152.55 ( talk) 19:08, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
I bring to your attention the article Arabist, which seems to me potentially important and yet fundamentally weak. I tried to add Lady Hester Stanhope, in whom I have a passing interest, and was reverted by a new editor who added a whole essay about racism. I cannot fight this battle, but thought at least the article should be brought under your collective noses, if not microscopes; hence I aded the project flag -- it previously had nothing. Good luck! BrainyBabe ( talk) 13:59, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
There's been a lot of discussion recently over the application of the WP:DICDEF. There seems to be an ever-increasing number of articles that appear to be violating the principle of not including dictionary articles, but still keep surviving AfDs because people believe they are well-written, or that they have room for encyclopedic expansion. Very poignant examples are articles like yes and no, but also vulgarisms like fart. There are a few threads going over at Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia is not a dictionary. I think it would be useful if we could have more insight from linguists into this, especially since many of the AfDs seem to be decided by pile-on votes that simply ignore the distinctions between dictionaries and encyclopedias.
Peter Isotalo 16:10, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
There are, according to list of wikipedias, some 262 language editions of Wikipedia, but I believe that Romansch is not among them. Does any one want to start Wikipedia in Romansch language? ACEOREVIVED ( talk) 19:34, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm of the opinion that a change Danezaa → Dunneza should be made ( Beaver (tribe) in northeastern BC and northwestern Alberta). See Talk:Danezaa. Skookum1 ( talk) 04:10, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi; noting the lede on the project page about standardizing content on language pages, may I make a request that editors/contributors endenavour to have more than just phonology, morphology and syntax discussions/disputes in language-page contents. It's very frustrating and also alienating for "lay readers" who are unfamiliar either with the abstruse discussions/analyses of the formal structures of various languages to not find anything about the language "as she is spoke". Some pages have common phrases, bits of dialogue, and the like, and that's something I hope gets incorporated into your ratings/class system here as it's much-needed content to make articles on languages accessible to ordinary readers. This may be less important with languages remote from the North American/Anglosphere experience and for defunct languages and so on, but in areas and cultures where multiple languages are part of the landscape - literally. I edit extensively on British Columbia and Pacific Northwest and occasionally other Canadian and US articles, and there are no end of placenames in need of translation by "those who know", and there is little online in the way of dictionary/toponymy resources for most of these languages. Often what winds up happening is "tourist brochure translations" become somewhat standard, even when incorrect, if and when they are available. At the moment I just finished creating the Dil-Dil Plateau article and would have liked to give a translation of what it means, presumably in the Chilcotin language but there are no language resources online. Now, I wasn't expecting to find a lexicon on the Chilcotin language page but I was hoping to find either a dictionary link, or at least to be able to ask on the Talk:Chilcotin language page....then I found my old post there, from March 2008, listing Chilcotin placenames and asking for a translation of any of them. No such luck, despite a very thorough expansion of the phonology and morphology sections and nice infobox and so on; mercifully it still is only "stub" class in your project....This is only one of the dozens of examples just within BC concerning languages whose words are commonplace in local English because of geographic usages, and BCGNIS rarely has the answer (sometimes does though). I'm obviously too prolix to write up an addition to your talkpage about endeavouring to build semantic/lexical content, but in cases/regions/categories where indigenous languages are "part of the landscape", could there please be a special effort to assist geographic editors in making the geogrphiac etc articles more complete by digging out translations from wahtever texts the researchers who built hte phonology/morphology from their sources? "We" often get complaints that "white people don't give the indigenous names" of places, but at the same time indigenous language scholars and indigenous language-offices aren't very forthcoming with lay people/white people about cultural toponymy for fear they'll be appropriated; but simultaneously can be heard to complaining that white people are ignorant of native culture, history, language. Gatekeeping and condemning at the same time...I don't mean to complain, only to ask that "the doors of meaning" become opened, and maybe this project is a place to start: if you're a morphologist adding to an article concerning a language like Carrier or Secwepemc, do you mind looking around the related region categories for placenames that could use translation-material in their articles? Thanks. Sorry to be so long-winded....it's kind of my own language; I don't think in point form well.... Skookum1 ( talk) 02:58, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
User:Olegwiki just posted this very interesting link on the Russian America article so I'm shopping it around to related wikiprojects, obviously including this one though I already placed it on Talk:Russian language. Perhaps an article on Russian dialects in Alaska might be more than worthwhile? Not my field, but interesting no? Skookum1 ( talk) 16:49, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
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The Languages template is very useful. Has any thought been given to providing similar guidance on articles for individual dialects of a given language? A general framework might provide useful assistance for editors looking to help develop good quality articles on dialects.
Thanks. John.
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I noticed that there's no really reliable figure for the number of speakers Swedish in Swedish language. I've started a thread over at Talk:Swedish language#Number of speakers in an attempt to address the issue. If you have suggestions or just want to chime in, please join the discussion.
Peter Isotalo 14:20, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
These articles seem to be about different languages, see:
Regardless of which language is more properly referred to as "West Frisian" the above titles are not an acceptable way to disambiguate between them. Readers and editors alike should expect titles as semantically similar as this to point to the same topic. That is, one of these should redirect to the other and the other language should be moved to some other title with at least one unique word distinguishing it from the first language. — CharlotteWebb 11:02, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
I have just found this unreferenced stub on a South Slavic "language" spoken in the city of Orahovac, in western Kosovo. If it merits its own entry, I guess that a cleaned-up version should be moved to a different title (" Rahoveci dialect", " Orahovac dialect" or even " naš govor" ?). I leave the issue in your capable hands. :-) Regards, Ev ( talk) 17:29, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
I've just created a new article Makonde language, but as I am not familiar with the structure of a language article, so may anyone pass-by take a look and add anything that is needed for a language article, such as infobox. Thx! Salt ( talk) 10:01, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Could someone expand Experientia docet a little? kilbad ( talk) 18:37, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
Is Angaur language a real language? It is supposedly an official language of Angaur Island in Palau, but I can't confirm it even exists. Is it perhaps a local dialect of Palauan? (Angaur Isle is within the Palauan language circle on the Ethnologue map.) 'Cept Palauan doesn't have any divergent dialects ... kwami ( talk) 05:37, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
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Like there is a lot of tagging work, what do you think about making proposal for the tasks of tagging in a new section in the main page? (By exemple, I can tag the A rated articles). So the work can be distributed better and everyone can know what are the others making and decide in what can he collaborate.-- Auslli ( talk) 14:56, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm templating and ranking the articles. There are more than 3,000. -- Auslli ( talk) 22:57, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Here there is a proposal:
Label | Criteria | Reader's experience | Example |
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Top | These are the most spoken languages in the world and the languages who are spoken in more countries. Also we can consider Languages that by their top level importance in the history must be here. | A reader who is not involved in the language field will have high familiarity with the subject matter and should be able to relate to the topic easily. | English language |
High | These are languages that, because of their importance trough the time, are well-known by the visitor. | More of the readers with a medium-level known about languages have listened to talk about them. | Romanian language |
Mid | Languages middle known, with written literature, with international studies about them and considered that, because of their importance for the group or the work the rater is developing about this language, must be labeled in this way. | Some readers will be familiar with the languages, but a larger majority of readers may have only cursory knowledge of them. | Leonese language |
Low | All the other articles. |
The source of the table come for WikiProject Austri, then I've done the categories. Also we can consider (finally I don't like it so much) to consider Low that kind of articles with the highest rating because they are finished. I did it with Aramaic but I think it must be very explanined and there are better solutions. I hope this scale can help.-- Auslli ( talk) 09:19, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Label | Criteria | Reader's experience | Work in the article | |
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Top | Most spoken languages in the world and languages who are spoken in more countries. Languages that by their top level importance in the history must be here or those how could be labeled as High importance level but where a member of the Project is working in. | A reader who is not involved in the language field will have high familiarity with the subject matter and should be able to relate to the topic easily. | One member of the Project is working in the article, for languages that aren't the most spoken. | |
High | Languages middle known, with written literature, with international studies about them, or less used languages where a member of the Project is working in. | More of the readers with a medium-level known about languages have listened to talk about them. | One member of the Project is wroking in the article for less used languages. | |
Mid | Languages not in higher rates, dialects and articles where there is a member working in. | Some readers will be familiar with the languages, but a larger majority of readers may have only cursory knowledge of them. | One member of the Project is working in if the article is not a language | Romagnol |
Low | All the other articles. |
-- Auslli ( talk) 13:42, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
The criterion „work in the article“ does not relate to the article itself and should be abandoned. It would also be difficult to operate as the actual presence or absence of an engaged moderator would have to be determined. While I’m sceptical whether the distinction between “Top” and “High” is justified, I make a proposal of my own:
Examples:
G Purevdorj ( talk) 09:25, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
I think this proposal resumes all what we have been talking. Just now, let open the door to some articles could "ascend" of category by its known exceptional value, and I think we have a very good solution.-- Auslli ( talk) 13:12, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
I must say I'm a bit puzzled by the motivation "most relevant language of its linguistic group" that uses Leonese language as an example. What relevance is referred to here, and what does "linguistic group" mean? Language family? Sub-family? Sprachbund? Leonese seems like a very poor example since it's a very small language and would be an important member only if you consider a very small sub-group of a much larger group of languages. If you applied the same reasoning for much smaller langauge families, you would probably wind up rating near-extinct languages in Papua New Guinea ranked higher than thriving languages in West Africa. And I have major trouble understanding why Leonese should be rated higher than Turkish languages or even Seoul dialect.
I'm also not sure what to make of the top level criteria. For example, is Swedish language top or high level? It's certainly an important regional language, and the most widely spoken North Germanic language, but it still feels odd to place it on the same level as Hindi or Indonesian. Any thoughts on this?
Peter Isotalo 08:12, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
Could someone whose computer doesn't screw around with wikipedia (like mine) please undo the changes that magically appeared when I tried to add my username, then subsequently tried to UNDO those changes. Also, if you can be bothered, add my name to the list! Thanks :) gaidheal1 ( talk) 13:47, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Is here. Background is here. Your input would be most helpful and appreciated. Beeblebrox ( talk) 23:32, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
I think we must decide if we want to merge or not this project with Language familis, because it has been talked for a long time, and the other project seems to be dead.-- Auslli ( talk) 07:56, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
is there a List of ethnic slurs? I am asking this here because there is a template indicating it is under the scope of this project. I was trying to find some sort of discussion on this, but the talk page simply seems to be a chorus of "Oh, here's one you forgot". How is that something that should be included in an encyclopedia? I realize Wikipedia is not censored, but a page like this serves no purpose other than as a reference for bigots. -- Susan118 ( talk) 02:19, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
To improve article " Russian language" per this review. The article is about to become a Good one. SkyBon Talk\ Contributions 16:12, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
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Hi, can some of you chime in on this Latin phrase Canes pugnaces, they are trying to #Redirect/delete it to the a similar English translation Dogs in warfare. See the talk page here: Talk:Canes_pugnaces. Thank you. Green Squares ( talk) 14:58, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
Ockay, one cannot say Croatian and Serbian is the same language. That would mean Croats and Serbs are the same. If that were true, there wouldn't be a war and Yugoslavia would exist. Besides, those are two different cultures and therefore two different languages. Croats were in the Western Roman Empire, they are Roman Catholics, have latin influence in the language and use Latin script. Serbs, in the other hand, were in the Byzantine Empire, are Orthodox Christians, have greek influence in the language and use Cyrillic. So, could you please separate them??
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I can't see a reason for so many pages that are no more than "hilarious mistakes speakers of language X make when they are learning English", and are WP:OR, unsourced, or poorly sourced. That and lists of loan words from English dressed up as some crazy thing. There seems to be a lot of borrowed notability from Engrish, which is more than simply mistakes of East Asian learners. Whereas Engrish is a notable phenomenon in communication between speakers of the same language (advertising etc.), Dunglish (Dutch+English)? Really?
I recommend a cull. We shouldn't have articles on barely or non-existent phenomena. VsevolodKrolikov ( talk) 05:55, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm not part of this group but I am considering starting a Wikiproject for the Latin Language, I was wondering what the thoughts of this wikiproject are and whether it should be 'under the wing' of this one. 95jb14 ( talk) 15:49, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
I want to help in this project. -- El estremeñu ( talk) 21:33, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
We have a rather serious problem concerning some of the pronunciation templates. Please see discussion at Template talk:pronounced#This needs immidate fixing.
Peter Isotalo 11:55, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Please see Talk:Tajik Persian#Tajikistani Persian and comment. There is a slow-motion edit war over the past few days about the proper title for the article --- Tajik Persian or Tajik language. Thanks, cab ( talk) 10:37, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
I have drastically expanded the article Otomi language and am hoping to take it to FA in the near future. I have listed the article for peer review. Any additions, comments, or suggestions to improve it will be happily accepted. ·Maunus·ƛ· 18:11, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
I have proposed that Kernewek Kemmyn, Kernowek Standard, Modern Cornish and Unified Cornish be merged into one article at Cornish orthography. Please discuss, support or oppose the proposal here. -- Kernoweger ( talk) 12:22, 19 August 2009 (UTC)