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Hi, I wanted to let contributors to this article know that I have created a draft page about Cornish exonyms, called
Draft:Cornish exonyms. Please feel free to add to the list. I hope it gets considered and added soon. Thanks!
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Tewdar I recently became auto-confirmed (today) and I have moved the article to an actual page. Thanks for your contributions and I hope more users help contribute too.
Gagana Ausetalia (
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How is the revival of Cornish going nowadays? The article mentions the efforts for reviving it in the 2000s and 2010s, mentioning the estimate of 557 speakers in 2011. Now, in the 2020s, can Cornish be added to the history of revived languages? The article states that there are already native speakers of Cornish, bilingual and also speaking English. If the language has native speakers after its extinction in the 18th century, can it be added to Language revitalization as a successfully revived language along with Modern Hebrew? 2804:14D:8084:8B09:E8BB:9B08:8CA2:CB69 ( talk) 16:10, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
So there may be something there. But we appear to be too soon on this one. If she successfully defends a thesis that the language never died out, then yes, we can use that thesis here. But at this stage she is still apparently working on the thesis. We will need to wait. Sirfurboy🏄 ( talk) 12:15, 16 April 2024 (UTC)She researches the Status of the Cornish Language between 1777-1904. That is, the death of Dolly Pentreath, the so-called last speaker of Cornish, and the publication of Henry Jenner’s Handbook of the Cornish Language which began the language revival. Kensa is also considering what exactly we mean by, and how we define language extinction, and hopes to contribute to developing a function and status for the Cornish language within higher education. Outside of her PhD research, Kensa blogs and tweets in Cornish, and reads the news in Cornish on Sunday afternoons for BBC Radio Cornwall.
The map appears to be based on a fictional book. I'll see if I can find a better one. If I can, it just needs to say 'probable Brittonic languages c. 600 AD', no need for any mention of textual evidenxe etc... what do others think? Tewdar 12:03, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
This is material we should probably be using at some point:
— SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 05:52, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
An anon added (with some punctuation correction imposed by me): Although it is spoken mainly in Cornwall, it also was spoken in the neighbouring County of Devon but went extinct in the 16th Century.
, with an edit summary of "I have added a new fact that is widely excepted and can be easily verified but searching it up on Google.I hope this edit is not undone as it is truthful and can be seen on a number of Websites". WP doesn't work on a "trust me, bro" basis, so of course this was reverted as unsourced. However, it is probably correct, in that Corwall used to include much of what is now Devonshire, and the language was surely spoken also in that area. So, something about this is probably worth sourcing and including. —
SMcCandlish
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¢ 😼 05:57, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
This is sourced to (George, 2009), who seems to be the source of the map on this page, and does indeed make the point that:The area controlled by the southwestern Britons was progressively reduced by the expansion of Wessex over the next few centuries. During the Old Cornish (Kernewek Koth) period (800–1200), the Cornish-speaking area was largely coterminous with modern-day Cornwall, after the Saxons had taken over Devon in their south-westward advance.
(page 491). He also uses toponymic evidence to demonstrate the linguistic difference. Although there were no doubt some Cornish speakers in Devon, the extent of that would be highly speculative. The addition to the lead was wrong.In the year 936, Athelstan fixed the boundary between the Saxons and the Celts as the River Tamar. In the north-east of Cornwall, however, the effective boundary was the River Ottery.
Anyone know why there are six unsourced pronunciation variants in the infobox? It's not even comprehensive, e.g. SWF (M) [kɛrˈnɔwɛk] is not listed, among other possible variations. Do we really need every possible permutation of [ɾ] and [ɹ]? Tewdar 11:14, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
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Hi, I wanted to let contributors to this article know that I have created a draft page about Cornish exonyms, called
Draft:Cornish exonyms. Please feel free to add to the list. I hope it gets considered and added soon. Thanks!
Gagana Ausetalia (
talk) 12:57, 8 February 2022 (UTC) striked out edits by blocked sockpuppet –
Austronesier (
talk) 10:24, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
@
Tewdar I recently became auto-confirmed (today) and I have moved the article to an actual page. Thanks for your contributions and I hope more users help contribute too.
Gagana Ausetalia (
talk) 06:14, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
How is the revival of Cornish going nowadays? The article mentions the efforts for reviving it in the 2000s and 2010s, mentioning the estimate of 557 speakers in 2011. Now, in the 2020s, can Cornish be added to the history of revived languages? The article states that there are already native speakers of Cornish, bilingual and also speaking English. If the language has native speakers after its extinction in the 18th century, can it be added to Language revitalization as a successfully revived language along with Modern Hebrew? 2804:14D:8084:8B09:E8BB:9B08:8CA2:CB69 ( talk) 16:10, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
So there may be something there. But we appear to be too soon on this one. If she successfully defends a thesis that the language never died out, then yes, we can use that thesis here. But at this stage she is still apparently working on the thesis. We will need to wait. Sirfurboy🏄 ( talk) 12:15, 16 April 2024 (UTC)She researches the Status of the Cornish Language between 1777-1904. That is, the death of Dolly Pentreath, the so-called last speaker of Cornish, and the publication of Henry Jenner’s Handbook of the Cornish Language which began the language revival. Kensa is also considering what exactly we mean by, and how we define language extinction, and hopes to contribute to developing a function and status for the Cornish language within higher education. Outside of her PhD research, Kensa blogs and tweets in Cornish, and reads the news in Cornish on Sunday afternoons for BBC Radio Cornwall.
The map appears to be based on a fictional book. I'll see if I can find a better one. If I can, it just needs to say 'probable Brittonic languages c. 600 AD', no need for any mention of textual evidenxe etc... what do others think? Tewdar 12:03, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
This is material we should probably be using at some point:
— SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 05:52, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
An anon added (with some punctuation correction imposed by me): Although it is spoken mainly in Cornwall, it also was spoken in the neighbouring County of Devon but went extinct in the 16th Century.
, with an edit summary of "I have added a new fact that is widely excepted and can be easily verified but searching it up on Google.I hope this edit is not undone as it is truthful and can be seen on a number of Websites". WP doesn't work on a "trust me, bro" basis, so of course this was reverted as unsourced. However, it is probably correct, in that Corwall used to include much of what is now Devonshire, and the language was surely spoken also in that area. So, something about this is probably worth sourcing and including. —
SMcCandlish
☏
¢ 😼 05:57, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
This is sourced to (George, 2009), who seems to be the source of the map on this page, and does indeed make the point that:The area controlled by the southwestern Britons was progressively reduced by the expansion of Wessex over the next few centuries. During the Old Cornish (Kernewek Koth) period (800–1200), the Cornish-speaking area was largely coterminous with modern-day Cornwall, after the Saxons had taken over Devon in their south-westward advance.
(page 491). He also uses toponymic evidence to demonstrate the linguistic difference. Although there were no doubt some Cornish speakers in Devon, the extent of that would be highly speculative. The addition to the lead was wrong.In the year 936, Athelstan fixed the boundary between the Saxons and the Celts as the River Tamar. In the north-east of Cornwall, however, the effective boundary was the River Ottery.
Anyone know why there are six unsourced pronunciation variants in the infobox? It's not even comprehensive, e.g. SWF (M) [kɛrˈnɔwɛk] is not listed, among other possible variations. Do we really need every possible permutation of [ɾ] and [ɹ]? Tewdar 11:14, 17 March 2024 (UTC)