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I just overhauled List of Ellen episodes, but I've never seen an episode in my life, so I'm constructing ep summaries from what I can find on the Internet. If anyone who has seen Ellen could look over my work, and correct or add to it, I would be grateful. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 00:36, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I've added mention of the press kit, the core topics, the website, the list of recources, deleted the list of core biographies (which I only put there to stimulate interest originally), and added a list fo basic tasks. The basic tasks could do with adding to, if anyone feels up to it. How's it looking? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 11:26, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
At today's NYC Gay Pride parade I took photos for the following articles:
-- David Shankbone 22:59, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Someone recently removed the LGBT Project banner and LGBT cats, saying it wasn't referenced. A quick Google search for +"Meredith Monk" +lesbian gives 779 hits, but the closest I can find to actually categorizing her is [1]. Can anyone provide anything better? -- SatyrTN ( talk | contribs) 04:51, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
I found XXY (film) on the bot-generated list of new LGBT articles, and thought it was important to note that the movie is named after Klinefelter's syndrome but apparently depicts some form of intersexuality completely unlike Klinefelter's. Google turned up two sources that I think say this [5] [], but they're in Italian, and Babelfish is being even more glossolalic than usual (apparently one of the critics' titles is "Navy Self-confident"). Who can I say is criticizing the film? Do they say if the problem is just with the title, or if the same confusion occurs in the film itself? And do they explain what form of intersexuality is actually depicted?
Also, if anyone has seen the movie, the plot summary could use some help. —Cel ithemis 22:48, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
No-one has submitted a Jumpaclass the entire time I've been away? Shame on you. Submit one, and enjoy the pressure it places on you to perform! Submit, submiiiiiiiit! :) Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 11:20, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Happy Gay Pride Day, people! :-D Raystorm (¿Sí?) 09:45, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
You know that little drive we've been having to add every LGB person to our List of LGB people? Well, our list of people who need adding was finally reduced by 20% today, after months of dedicated work from a tiny minority of the editors who post here regularly. Come on people, pitch in! We need those lists finished! Five minutes a day is not a lot of your time, but it would make significant inroads to our goals. I have plans for the finished lists, and it'd be nice to put them in motion before the end of the summer and the upheaval of leaving home... Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 15:45, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
What's the difference between Category:LGBT theatre and Category:LGBT plays? -- SatyrTN ( talk | contribs) 06:45, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi, sorry for the hit-and-run here but I'm a member of the Bay Area project working on a number of biographies. I occasionally run across articles concerning people who are GBT, and wonder what the protocol and criteria is for adding them to the LGBT project.
Case in point, I just made some minor revisions to the article for celebrity chef Jeremiah Tower. Like a number of Bay Area chefs he is well known for being gay. As a (former) member of the high flying San Francisco social elite his relationships are the talk of the town and a big part of his overall career -- much as, say, the Mayor's. He writes about gender issues and his various relationships his memoirs; however, as far as I know his art is not about LGBT issues. It's cooking. So I'm not sure how much an appreciation of his status as LGBT sheds light on his cuisine or vice-versa.
So my questions are: (1) are famous people candidates for inclusion in the LGBT project simply because they are known to be gay, and (2) as a non-member of the project, if I come across one, how should I let people know? Sorry if this has been discussed before but I couldn't find it in a quick review of the project site. I don't want to add a tag myself if that would be overstepping. I don't have an agenda here, just hoping to help.
Thx,
Wikidemo 07:30, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
FYI, the page m:Friends of gays should not be allowed to edit articles is currently being considered for deletion at m:WM:RFD#Friends of gays should not be allowed to edit articles. Korg ( talk) 23:53, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
URGENT ACTION REQUIRED: If Kahlo's article is not brought up to standard in 24 hours, it's not going to be featured tomorrow on Wikipedia's main page to celebrate her 100 birthday. They already have another candidate for tomorrow's main article. Is there any Frida Kahlo's fan whose English is top notch, and can bring this article up to standard in just a few hours?
The article is not up to that standard, and tomorrow already has a featured article. --AxG @ ►talk 15:05, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Overnight it seems lesbian author Joan Nestle's page has been deleted. It was a live link Tuesday night and now a blank one Thursday. Moni3 20:36, 5 July 2007 (UTC)Moni3
Can anyone find a ref for the line in Jack Wetherall that says he's one of four openly gay actors on Queer as Folk? -- SatyrTN ( talk | contribs) 13:41, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Emiellaiendiay suggested the following articles on the Collaboration page some time ago (intersex and transgender removed):
Does anyone object to these becoming the next collaborations, and would liek to suggest something else? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 10:34, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
This is really funny: http://sportsreviewmagazine.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1194 When I was contacted I told them I mainly wanted Wikipedia as a resource for free media highlighted. -- David Shankbone 15:47, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
On the Nigel Slater article, a user has been repeatedly removing the sentence that says he's gay, as well as the LGBT category. At first I was just reverting & warning the user thinking it was straightforward vandalism, now I'm worried it's more of a POV dispute. Eventually he made a comment on the talkpage saying that it's libelous. The source in question is an interview on AfterElton.com which says in the lead, "Openly gay food writer Nigel Slater..." Is this enough to keep it in the article? In his autobiography Slater discussed homosexual feelings / experiences but seems reluctant to discuss his private life as an adult. As a result I haven't found any quotes saying "I'm gay" or anything similar. Are the AfterElton article & autobiography enough? -- Beloved freak 15:15, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
In this edit the Sheri L. Dew article had its project template removed by a member of this project. I had just added it to the article, as I sometimes do to articles that I come across which to me seem to fall within the scope of WikiProject LGBT studies. Could someone comment on this removal so that I will get a clearer picture of what may not be deemed relevant articles for this project? __ meco 08:52, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Would someone with some knowledge of comic book characters take a look at the discussion on Talk:Manga Khan and chime in? Thanks! -- SatyrTN ( talk | contribs) 10:26, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Lisa Vogel is a founder of the Michigan Womyn's Music Festival, but I can't find a source anywhere that says she's a lesbian. Anyone have one handy? -- SatyrTN ( talk | contribs) 17:39, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
What is up with this article? I put a notable tag up on it, but a merge tag with Celebrity impersonator is probably more appropriate. And the User who created it is canvassing on Talk:Drag queen. -- David Shankbone 18:35, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
But there's an already existing article on Natalie Clifford Barney. Should a redirect by created? Moni3 18:35, 11 July 2007 (UTC)Moni3
The following are the individuals who were removed from the Transman article section titled #Notable transmen. There is a great opportunity here to create articles on these transmen if you can assert their notability. Please add them to the article as articles are created.
If you see that an entry is bluelinked in the list below, please check Transman#Notable transmen to make sure the individual is included in the Transman article. Thank you! Joie de Vivre T 21:18, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Add items here only if they are bluelinked AND you have checked to see that they have been added to Transman#Notable transmen. Thanks! Joie de Vivre ° 15:17, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
There is a stub article on the Queer Student Cultural Center at the University of Minnesota, a GLBT student group created nearly 40 years ago (pre-Stonewall) and seemingly the first such group in America. (And one of the founding officers was the first gay marriage case ever litigated in America Baker v. Nelson.)
But it keeps getting deleted! The latest attempt is by somebody named VirtualSteve, who says: "A tag has been placed on Queer Student Cultural Center, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article appears to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia."
I'm fairly new to Wikipedia, and I don't know what to do here. I have added a bit more detail to the article. But what do we do to keep this guy from again 'wiping us out of (Wiki) history'? Any suggestions? T-bonham 07:00, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm new to this - not sure where to put this or quite how it works (and I'm impatient, too! Reading about it doesn't audibly tell me how it happens...)
But I created several articles: Ann Bannon and her series of lesbian pulp fiction novels from 1957 - 1962 including Odd Girl Out (novel), I Am A Woman, and Women In The Shadows. I plan to write the other two articles for the books in the series within the next several days, but already Odd Girl Out got a Wiki Novels categorization as stub/low and I don't think it deserves it. Any assistance would be appreciated. (Now I have to figure out how to get back here to read any replies...) Moni3 16:26, 5 July 2007 (UTC)Moni3
Ok clearly this is one of my pet projects. Would it improve the Ann Bannon or the book articles importance and quality rating if I included information about the context of the books in the repressive society of the US during the 1950s, highlighting sodomy laws, police raids on bars, city ordinances that banned women wearing pants in bars, etc? since the books are set in the gay bars of Greenwich Village? Bannon's books have also been criticized by some feminists for portraying gays and lesbians as barflies and alcoholics, and portraying butch-femme relationships as misogynistic. In searching for more material on Bannon, I found nothing, but I found a wealth of senior theses from Women's Studies majors discussing the books in both positive and negative lights. Senior thesis does not an authority make I think (neither do I, for that matter - although obsessed fan might). Any suggestions on weeding out the common and focusing on the authoritative historians? Oh, Journey To A Woman is up as an article and Beebo Brinker should be posted within 48 hours. Moni3 17:08, 6 July 2007 (UTC)Moni3
Miranda 10:37, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
(reduce indent) Based on the discretion of the user, only in userspace. Miranda 17:22, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Erm so...Can gay bloggers be contacted, is it fine now? Zigzig20s 09:29, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
I've changed the name of my blog. The banner can now be found here. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 11:16, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
On July 4, 2007, I responded to an AFA Action Alert entitled, "Hate Crimes Law: A Real Threat to Your Religious Freedom". Below is the text of the email I sent them:
I read the House version of the proposed "Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2007" (H.R. 1592 / S. 1105) and I couldn't find any part of that act which made Anti-homosexual speech a hate crime. In fact the act in question does nothing that the AFA alleges in its Action Alert.
I'm appalled that AFA would use such deceptive measures to prey on the fears of people to further its agenda. Your Action Alert was DISHONEST and UN-CHRISTIAN, you people should be ashamed of yourselves.
On July 9, 2007, I received the following response:
As with most legislation, especially with Senate Bill 1105, the words are such that it sounds good and right, but when you look closer you'll see where the threat to religious leaders and even the common Christian comes in. These three words: (actual or perceived), will make it impossible to read aloud Scripture such as: 1st Corinthians 6: 9-11 or Leviticus 18:22 without it being “perceived” as hate crime.
If you will note just below section 7, Section 249. Hate Crimes Act, the words actual or perceived are used at least four times, for example: `(A) IN GENERAL- Whoever, whether or not acting under color of law, in any circumstance described in subparagraph (B), willfully causes bodily injury to any person or, through the use of fire, a firearm, or an explosive or incendiary device, attempts to cause bodily injury to any person, because of the actual or perceived religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity or disability of any person—
The other language in this bill that is very concerning is also found under Section 249, d) Rule of Evidence- In a prosecution for an offense under this section, evidence of expression or associations of the defendant may not be introduced as substantive evidence at trial, unless the evidence specifically relates to that offense. However, nothing in this section affects the rules of evidence governing impeachment of a witness.
So, even though your Congress person may state that freedom of speech is protected this one section clearly shows that freedom of speech is the very freedom that is at stake.
Yes, I sent another response and it is as follows:
Sir/Ma'am;
Thank very much for responding. I thoroughly understand your position, but I am curious as to what standard or procedure you are using to gauge the meaning of the words "actual or perceived" as they are used in Senate Bill 1105, Sec. 7 and House Bill 1592, Sec. 6.
I have re-read the House version and read the Senate version and I am unable to glean the same meaning you present in your email. Would your concerns with these bills be due, in no small part, to their extending hate crimes to ALSO include acts committed against gays, lesbians, bisexuals & trans-gendered persons; considering the AFA's anti-gay position.
The law also includes protection from hate crimes because of race, color, religion, national origin, gender, or disability. What I don't understand is your opposition to including, as these bills state, "sexual orientation, [and] gender identity." Your opposition could lead one to think that extending such protections to also include gays, lesbians, bisexuals & trans-gendered persons should never be allowed and that such persons deserve nothing less than to have the crap beaten [out] of 'em.
The impression I have is that the AFA's position is that gays, lesbians, bisexuals & trans-gendered persons don't deserve equal protection under the law, don't have the right to live and work safely in this country.
Now if my impression is incorrect, could you be so kind as to explain your opposition to gays, lesbians, bisexuals & trans-gendered persons receiving equal protection under the law; as such impression can be easily gleaned from your Action Alerts.
Did I think I would actually change their mind? No. My purpose was to point out that their opposition to extending legal protections to gays, lesbians, bisexuals and trans-gendered persons can also mean that they have an implied support for hate crimes committed against such persons. If I get a response I'll be sure to post it here. -- Avazina 09:07, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Does [20] count as a reliable source to say Marion Zimmer Bradley was lesbian? Aleta 18:06, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
I need some second opinions on
La Comay. It's not clear (to me) from the article, but evidently Antulio Santarrosa Acevedo dresses up in a costume as a puppet or doll that is female. Does that fit the definition of
cross-dressing? Or
transgender? Is the article within our scope spectrum? --
SatyrTN (
talk |
contribs) 18:23, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
I hope this is not an issue, but I created a new article that falls under the purview of this project, Stonewall Library & Archives, so I added the LGBT Wikiproject tag to it. If it is inappropriate, please let me know and I will remove it. Horologium t- c 01:33, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Greetings. I've done some work on Slut Night and would appreciate some extra eyes to look it over as the article is up for deletion and I have to get some sleep. Benjiboi 13:56, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Personal attacks are flying on Talk:Matt Sanchez (esp. from the subject of the article - who has a thing about the "gay jihad"). It would be nice if some others, esp. admins would take a look... Aleta 22:23, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I'll take a look. WjB scribe 01:05, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
I note that BeckieCannons ( talk · contribs) is the 1st admin listed at Tranny International's "about us" page. Hence, their creation of the wiki article on Tranny International is a conflict of interest and I've just substed the COI warning, {{ Uw-coi}} onto their talk page. I note that someone else already added a non-notable tag to the article. Is that web site any more notable than the dozens (hundreds?) of similar sites out there, or should we support the non-notability and let the article get deleted? -- AliceJMarkham 00:15, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
I have been asked by Reg Domingo for an interview for SX News on the project. We're keen to get an Australian WP:LGBT member involved as well - is there anyone here from Australia that would like to appear? Do we even HAVE members from Australia? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 09:25, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Ok, it's not glamorous. I'm helping out with creating a virtual press kit for Wikimedia, and I thought it would be cool if we did our own one that we can release on Youtube and do other fun things with it. So, if anyone wants to be involved in the planning, or would just like to sit in front of a camera and be a talking head saying scripted lines enthusiastically, do let me know. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 10:55, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
People might like to give their thoughts on this one [23] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nick mallory ( talk • contribs) 14:27, 19 July 2007.
If anyone here reads Italian, could you take a look at Emilio Colombo, specifically the referenced article here? And see if that's a reliable source? Thanks!! -- SatyrTN ( talk | contribs) 21:03, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
hey'all, I've done some work on the Jeffree Star article(s) to help establish notability. The majority of material about him is unusable as his fame was created in blogs and continues to build there but I found several good stories that had a wealth of material. The article still needs work but I'm trying to preserve it from endless AfD'ing. Benjiboi 18:00, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Someone [24] has added a deletion tag to this article I've created. I don't think it should be deleted - it was shown at various film festivals [25], [26], even appears on the BBC website [27], appeared in Têtu (see reference in the article), and there is even a page on it on what I take to be Romanian Wikipedia [28]. Shouldn't the deletion tag just be removed? Zigzig20s 04:05, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Should this be added to the project as well? Zigzig20s 08:12, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm not even sure how I first noticed this guy's article but he seems to have acted in a bunch of films. Then it popped in my watchlist because an anonymous user deleted all the supplemental info (co-stars, studio info) from his films list leaving only the titles seemingly in a quest to gut the article. Now, presumably the same anonymous user is shooting for a speedy delete. When I undid the mass deletion of info I didn't cite a WP policy and the editor redeleted because I didn't - so obviously they are somewhat experienced user. I'm not terribly beholden to thinking the world will be worse without this article but it seems wrong and an abuse of the processes. Could some of y'all more knowledgeble with admin protocols take a look and see if 1. they did make sweeping edits that were out of line and 2. Is this AfD also out of line? thank you. Benjiboi 20:26, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Indent reset. lol! Marco Rossi is also an Italian actor so that might explain the whole mystery. Benjiboi 06:06, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
I can't help noticing two sets of articles of Same-sex marriage and Civil unions for a lot of countries. I can't help feeling that these two sets deal essentially with the same subject matter. Is there any country that has both? Many of these pages simply serve to say that neither same-sex marriage nor civil unions exist in the country. The rest of the content being almost identical, or at least ought to be since it covers attempts to secure those rights. It is suggested that they should be merged, as a matter of policy, into one single set of articles (along with a single template) called for example:
I say policy only because it would take some time. The single articles could deal comre comprehensively with the topic, avoid unnecessary repetition, deal with which if any a country had and deal with attempts to gain further rights. Caveat lector 17:03, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Before we rush to start deleting, let's think this through. I agree that for some tiny countries where the topic is not likely to be considered anytime soon, we don't need separate articles. However--civil unions/domestic partnerships are one thing, same-sex marriage is another. In some countries who started with CU/DP and then enacted SSM, there is a lot to say historically and legislatively on both topics, and perhaps we might want to consider whether the two topics are better kept in separate articles.
To give another example from an article I worked on myself: New Jersey passed a DP law in 2004 that extended to all gay couples as well as to straight couples over 62. In 2007, however, a new CU law came into effect; however, couples who are already in DP's are not required to change to a CU; the DP statute is still in operation. But new DP's can be formed only by couples over 62, straight or gay.
Unfortunately, an over-zealous editor from Germany quickly merged the NJ DP article into a new NJ CU article when the bill passed, not realizing that the old DP law continued to be in effect. I'm not sure that a reader would fully understand the legal situation from reading the NJ CU article as currently written.
But now suppose, as may well happen, New Jersey (or some other jurisdiction) starts to debate actual same-sex marriage, and a law finally gets approved. Chances are they could end up with 3 different legal relationships, all operating concurrently: DP's, CU's, and marriage. In other nations, like Quebec, CU's and marriage are also currently available options for all couples, straight and gay.
So my question is, would Wikipedia be better served by lumping all these different forms of legally recognized relationships together, by state or country; or by keeping them in separate articles? I'm just raising the question here for consideration; what do the rest of you think?-- Textorus 19:15, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Caveat lector 17:58, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
I've just created this page Oyster. The eponymous character is bisexual. However, I am not adding the LGBT tag because mention of his bisexuality is very scanty - his first description goes along the line of "epicene", and the other mention is when Mercy is told Brian is a favourite of Oyster's (at this point the word 'bisexual' is used). However, that didn't strike me as the backbone of the plotline or anything. Perhaps a queer theory analysis would lead to another conclusion though - feel free to browse through jstor if you have access to it! Zigzig20s 07:26, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Fudgie Frottage article (not my creation) was pretty messy but I added a lede, etc to assert notability. Could some folks take a look at it and make suggestions for next steps? I'm familiar with Fudgie's work but as it's quite extensive I don't have time to do all the research so I'd rather focus on what's needed to avoid deletion for now. Benjiboi 22:37, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Not sure if the AfD is worthy of attention but the information doesn't seem to be in the main article. Benjiboi 23:23, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
We said two and a half months ago that I would continue as Coordinator until August and we'd elect some Deputy Coordinators to get some people experienced in what I usually do, and reevaluate the situation towards the end of July. Well, we're coming there now, and I think it's time to evaluate.
I have been acutely and embarrassingly aware of my lack of reliability and irregular work over the past two months - obviously I couldn't help having exams and being dragged off to hell for a month, but all the same I have felt somewhat ashamed that despite having the caretaker role, I haven't been doing all that much caretaking. Kudos to everyone else who took up the slack, especially SatyrTN. I have all of August to get back in the swing of things but from September 4, I have a full time volunteering placement at Bradford University for a year. I ensured that I have broadband Internet access (well, actually, I told the supervisor very firmly that if I did not have Internet access I would not be volunteering with them, no matter how much pain the disabled were in), but my schedule sounds somewhat hectic and irregular, so until I feel I have regular time online, I don't think I should continue as the somewhat distant Coordinator, holding the fancy title but not really deserving it. I therefore offer to step down from the role, knowing that I may not be able to do it or you all justice.
So, the project now has several options:
It's really up to you. I'm happy to go with whatever the project wants to do - I've got lots of ideas for WP:LGBT, but I've got lots of ideas for other WikiProjects on Wikipedia and for elsewhere online too. None of it requires me to be a Coordinator at all if you think housekeeping should be left to fate or someone else.
We have come such an amazingly long way since November, and there's a real community of people here - we've not gained that many FAs, but I think it is obvious to everyone that our article quality has been on an upwards curve. What direction it takes next is your call. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 20:17, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
American Family Association is not currently tagged for this project; it might be within scope of this project under the "societal reaction" dimension like Westboro Baptist Church and Jerry Falwell. I leave it to experienced project members to decide. AUTiger » talk 03:06, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
I recently discovered the wonderful world of irc channels. :-) Does this project have its own irc channel? Raystorm (¿Sí?) 12:01, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Should the LGBT Project tag be added on the talk page, given that he was 'the first French politician to be fined 3,000€ for his homophobic remarks' last year? I would tend to think so. Zigzig20s 00:41, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
I was thinking of suggesting this [31] as the next monthly collaboration. It would seem very important and urgent imo. Of course this would entail more than one page (so many red links yet), but we'd have a whole month and I suspect that some of us have more time because of the holiday...What do you reckon? Zigzig20s 11:58, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
I was going to post this link on the relevant article pages, but then noticed your project page and thought you might prefer if I announce it here first.
As part of our coverage of the fortieth anniversary of the decriminalization of homosexuality in the UK, Advances in the History of Psychology (an academic blog run out of the Department of Psychology at York University) has published a set of bibliographies that you may find useful. The link will take you to a list of high-quality peer-reviewed journal articles that discuss the history of homosexuality from a psychological perspective, including numerous documents detailing how conceptions have changed in psychotherapy and by region. And, as trained historians, we thought this resource could be useful for your project; our unique contribution to an important online endeavour. JTBurman 12:21, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Check it out. :-P Raystorm (¿Sí?) 12:56, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Well, I'll take this as a good thing, as it's given me the motivation to start working on an essay on my userspace that might hopefully turn into a guideline at WP:GAYCABAL. Anyone interested in helping? CaveatLector Talk 15:22, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
I was looking through the Christian Voice archives today, and found "Christian Wins Wikipedia War Over Police Lies". It appears that Christian Voice have announced to all their members about this 'war'... which is actually a stupid edit war that no-one seems to have even noticed. Here's the history. I haven't actually looked at the edits yet, but seem pretty subdued from the summaries (it's late at night over here). I think it might be a good idea to keep an eye on a "Christian Voice activist" - take a look at his contribs - all edits seem to have a POV motive to them. Sorry if you've already looked at this. I still find it hard to believe that a prominent group like themselves would post that over an edit war :) Archer7 00:35, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 00:57, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
I was hoping to wikify 'law enforcements concerning homosexuality in France and in the United States' on my current Jumpaclass page, Giovanni's Room. Should I just link them to LGBT rights in France/the US, or is there a better page with strictly historical info regarding law enforcement and subsequent decriminalisation? Zigzig20s 01:54, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
The original article that I picked, " Straight pride" has been re-written by admin. It may or may not stay as I nominated it for deletion based on the old article. Should it stay I cannot take credit, good or bad for it's current form. So I decided to take a look at " Gay pride"...guess what? It's a start class article as well with only 3 references! Shame on us! So that will hopefully be a better project for me.-- Amadscientist 10:27, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Elagabalus has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. DrKiernan 07:22, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
Our peer reviews are starting to get backed up, if people could cast an eye over 'em I'm sure their submitters would be grateful. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 23:24, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I know how to move an article but can someone point to info about renaming an image file without deleting and reloading? Benjiboi 03:14, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
Just alerting everyone to today's mass-nomination at Wikipedia:User categories for discussion#Sexuality Related User Categories. TAnthony 16:20, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone else find this article to be in serious need of a non-biased rewrite? The section on Baden-Powell's sexuality is replete with insinuations of a connection between gay male sexuality and pedophilia. I'd really like to see this language changed, and I'm interested in building a consensus on the matter. Popkultur 00:37, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
I know that groups like NAMBLA have for the most part been condemned by all major LGBT groups, but I was wondering if their are any major LGBT groups that actively campaign against pedophile groups. The reason I am asking is there is a major POV struggle going on over certain articles relating to articles on child sexuality. Their seem to be two extremes that are constantly at war with each other. The one extreme side seems to constantly compare themselves to how LGBT people were and to a large extent still are oppressed by society. The other side seems to go to far out of its way to attack pedophile organizations, using questionable sources. Although I am practically opposed to everything organizations like NAMBLA (I don't even believe in trying people under 18 as adults because I think they lack the full judgment an adult would have), I think that all article should be NPOV and that organizations like NAMBLA's platform speaks for itself without having to engage in questionable spin tactics. Thanks, Jmm6f488 16:16, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm sure this isn't the best place to post this, but I get dizzy trying to navigate the labyrinth of wiki Help/Policy/Guideline/Discussion pages. But maybe some of you know somebody who knows somebody who might ultimately get a Big Somebody to consider the very awkward, frustrating methods we presently have for citing sources in an article.
The easiest way, of course, is just to put brackets around a URL and let it go at that. But unless you type in the author, work, date, etc., it doesn't tell the reader much about that source unless he/she goes and looks at it. Also, as someone pointed out to me several months ago, if an article ever goes for GA or FA status, the Powers That Be Cabal (lol) much prefers to see citations done with ref-ref around them - which makes a much nicer, neater reference list at the end of the page.
Typing up each reference that way would be way too laborious for this editor. I did somehow stumble across this fabulous citation generator, which though flawed, is a great help. BUT--when you add 10 or 20 references into the article that way, golly what a friggin' MESS it is to edit then! Like with an article I recently edited here
I know nothing whatever about wikisoftware (and I'm told by a contact at the Grand Software and Planetary Mastery Cabal that the less I know, the better off I'll be); but still, when I look at how we type info into articles, it does seem a bit, well, so last-century. (Sublime masters of the GSPMC, if you're listening, which of course you are, please note this is not a criticism, just a humble observation.) In my untechnological imagination, I can see how much nicer it would be, say, if there were a drop-down or pop-up box where we could quickly enter a citation's info; then return there and just click on that entry the next time we want to insert that same citation, and so on with the rest of them.
But no doubt this would involve weighty discussions with and supplications to the Grand High Supreme Universal Domination Cabal, and I don't even want to know who they are. Just throwing out an idle thought, bread upon the waters.-- Textorus 18:47, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
I simply copied a reference that was short and edited out the information and stored it on my page.-- Amadscientist 05:47, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
There was a lesbian couple in Jekyll?! How did I manage to watch four episodes of that and not notice? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 09:59, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Hey y'all, I was just making a little joke, lighten up! :-D But Stonewall, THE big LGBT rights outfit in the UK, is NOT joking. I found the article, which among other things says:
Go read the article and related reports here, if you like. Stonewall IS taking it very seriously, as well they should.-- Textorus 01:50, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
I've just tagged this for unencyclopedic tone. Needs a good bit of clean-up, but I'm not interested enough in the topic, I'm sorry to say, to do it. I've got a bunch of other, closer-to-home topics on my personal to-do list that I can't seem to get around to as fast as I'd like. Real life just gets in the way, you know what I mean? :-) -- Textorus 00:41, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
I've just downgraded this from GA to Start-class. (How it ever made GA, I have no idea.) It's a great topic, but all jumbled up and terribly incomplete. See my review of it from six months ago here. The original editor has left Wikipedia for good, and having read her reasons on her userpage, I can well understand her feelings. (I've become a disciple of the Sublime Truth and Serene Self-Mastery Cabal myself, for similar reasons.) But I do hope some kind soul who's a good writer and researcher will take this poor orphaned article to heart, and give it a good home. And work back up to a truly-deserved GA status! :-) -- Textorus 01:39, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
The article Straight pride has a huge problem of with references. There is an overuse of the website "Straight Pride Wear" a T-shirt site that sells the "Straight Pride" shirts, also known as "Straight pride.com". It also has a single editor that refuses to allow any changes to the article. the member Cheeser1 has been reverting editing out my contributions and I am beginning to suspect it has to do with my having the LBGT Studies tag on my user page and this person may be apart of the website. This is speculation however it has escalated to the point that I have had to go to Admin with the problem. Cheeser1 has changed nearly everything I have attempted. If this page is apart of this project can something be done to allow it's member the ability to not face harassment in editing! Please help! I am seriously beginning to get upset!-- Amadscientist 05:30, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
So much for jumpaclass... Zigzig20s 07:00, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Although I believe it should be deleted and suggest everyone go to the AfD page and vote as you feel, I don't think any page should be allowed to front as an article that merely tries to propagate and encourage a single website in the guise of a movement. Gay pride is not propaganda. It has a history of nearly 40 years. There is no official website that sell t-shirts. (although the parade itself has tons of vendors. I stopped and asked one if he was gay and he said no, but he was a capitalist! That was too funny!) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amadscientist ( talk • contribs) 22:56, 27 July 2007
Just so y'all know, it is considered bad form to 'recruit' for help 'winning' an edit war on a WikiProject talk page, or anywhere else for that matter. Next time, inform us of what's going on if it concerns the project, and contact the cabal.... if there were one.... CaveatLector Talk 03:45, 28 July 2007 (UTC) Just so YOU know, it's even worse form to make assumptions and put words in peoples mouths. I asked people to vote the WAY THEY FEEL, not the same way as I did or to remove the page. But thank you for accusing me of edit warring. Perhaps I shouldn't be apart of the project. That was highly uncivil of you. Perhaps you were unaware of Wiki guidelines that states that help should be sought at the project page? Here is what is said about third party envolvemnet on the Wikipedia:Conflict resolution page;
Wikipedia works by building consensus. To develop a consensus on a disputed topic, you may need to expose the issue to a larger audience. Options for doing this include:
*Asking at subject-specific Wikipedia:WikiProjects or policy pages relevant to the issue.
If you have not agreed to a truce before this point, you should do so now. Continuing to escalate the conflict with competing edits is likely to aggravate the dispute. This is also important if you intend to solicit outside opinions because it allows others to consider the issue fairly without the confusion of ongoing edits. If an edit war persists and parties refuse to stop, you may request that the page be protected to allow the process to move forward. -- Amadscientist 04:07, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Much as I hate to break in on your misunderstanding-cum-deathmatch, the grammar gremlin within does require me to point out to both of you it is "incivil" not "uncivil". Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 18:19, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
AfD vote has removed the article. It has again been deleted. I was wondering what people thought of adding some of the referenced material to the "opposition" section that was previously deleted from the Gay pride article that I am currently working on as my new Jumpaclass project. Not all information just some of it. Also the "death match between myself and CaveatLector has been resolved. He is a good person with a great deal of passion. That can only be respected. I just react negatively as I was already to hot under the collar from the whole situation on that page! Thank you sir for accepting my apology.-- Amadscientist 23:46, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
up for speedy delete Benjiboi 23:29, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
His publications include
sorry ...edit conflict.. I was adding. Gay Police Officer - This is not a core interst of mine but I would be interested to know whether Bridge is held in a positive or negative light by LGBT participants Aatomic1 09:11, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
It's late and I'm not feeling very civil and mentory-ish. Could someone sort this out [34] and see if the asexual cabal is on the loose? thank you Benjiboi 11:39, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
REMOVED BY POSTER SINCE IT WAS OFFENSIVE!!!!!!!!!!! Avazina 00:03, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
I was thinking I could perhaps take a picture of the latest Têtu issue with my webcam. However, is that fair use? Zigzig20s 14:07, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
Recently I came across this video on YouTube called Homosexuality in Ancient Greece I'd like several of you to view this video and post your thoughts (either here or there). If you think it is inappropriate, tantamount to hate, then let me encourage you to flag the video as inappropriate. Avazina 00:01, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
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I just overhauled List of Ellen episodes, but I've never seen an episode in my life, so I'm constructing ep summaries from what I can find on the Internet. If anyone who has seen Ellen could look over my work, and correct or add to it, I would be grateful. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 00:36, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I've added mention of the press kit, the core topics, the website, the list of recources, deleted the list of core biographies (which I only put there to stimulate interest originally), and added a list fo basic tasks. The basic tasks could do with adding to, if anyone feels up to it. How's it looking? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 11:26, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
At today's NYC Gay Pride parade I took photos for the following articles:
-- David Shankbone 22:59, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Someone recently removed the LGBT Project banner and LGBT cats, saying it wasn't referenced. A quick Google search for +"Meredith Monk" +lesbian gives 779 hits, but the closest I can find to actually categorizing her is [1]. Can anyone provide anything better? -- SatyrTN ( talk | contribs) 04:51, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
I found XXY (film) on the bot-generated list of new LGBT articles, and thought it was important to note that the movie is named after Klinefelter's syndrome but apparently depicts some form of intersexuality completely unlike Klinefelter's. Google turned up two sources that I think say this [5] [], but they're in Italian, and Babelfish is being even more glossolalic than usual (apparently one of the critics' titles is "Navy Self-confident"). Who can I say is criticizing the film? Do they say if the problem is just with the title, or if the same confusion occurs in the film itself? And do they explain what form of intersexuality is actually depicted?
Also, if anyone has seen the movie, the plot summary could use some help. —Cel ithemis 22:48, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
No-one has submitted a Jumpaclass the entire time I've been away? Shame on you. Submit one, and enjoy the pressure it places on you to perform! Submit, submiiiiiiiit! :) Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 11:20, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Happy Gay Pride Day, people! :-D Raystorm (¿Sí?) 09:45, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
You know that little drive we've been having to add every LGB person to our List of LGB people? Well, our list of people who need adding was finally reduced by 20% today, after months of dedicated work from a tiny minority of the editors who post here regularly. Come on people, pitch in! We need those lists finished! Five minutes a day is not a lot of your time, but it would make significant inroads to our goals. I have plans for the finished lists, and it'd be nice to put them in motion before the end of the summer and the upheaval of leaving home... Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 15:45, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
What's the difference between Category:LGBT theatre and Category:LGBT plays? -- SatyrTN ( talk | contribs) 06:45, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi, sorry for the hit-and-run here but I'm a member of the Bay Area project working on a number of biographies. I occasionally run across articles concerning people who are GBT, and wonder what the protocol and criteria is for adding them to the LGBT project.
Case in point, I just made some minor revisions to the article for celebrity chef Jeremiah Tower. Like a number of Bay Area chefs he is well known for being gay. As a (former) member of the high flying San Francisco social elite his relationships are the talk of the town and a big part of his overall career -- much as, say, the Mayor's. He writes about gender issues and his various relationships his memoirs; however, as far as I know his art is not about LGBT issues. It's cooking. So I'm not sure how much an appreciation of his status as LGBT sheds light on his cuisine or vice-versa.
So my questions are: (1) are famous people candidates for inclusion in the LGBT project simply because they are known to be gay, and (2) as a non-member of the project, if I come across one, how should I let people know? Sorry if this has been discussed before but I couldn't find it in a quick review of the project site. I don't want to add a tag myself if that would be overstepping. I don't have an agenda here, just hoping to help.
Thx,
Wikidemo 07:30, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
FYI, the page m:Friends of gays should not be allowed to edit articles is currently being considered for deletion at m:WM:RFD#Friends of gays should not be allowed to edit articles. Korg ( talk) 23:53, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
URGENT ACTION REQUIRED: If Kahlo's article is not brought up to standard in 24 hours, it's not going to be featured tomorrow on Wikipedia's main page to celebrate her 100 birthday. They already have another candidate for tomorrow's main article. Is there any Frida Kahlo's fan whose English is top notch, and can bring this article up to standard in just a few hours?
The article is not up to that standard, and tomorrow already has a featured article. --AxG @ ►talk 15:05, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Overnight it seems lesbian author Joan Nestle's page has been deleted. It was a live link Tuesday night and now a blank one Thursday. Moni3 20:36, 5 July 2007 (UTC)Moni3
Can anyone find a ref for the line in Jack Wetherall that says he's one of four openly gay actors on Queer as Folk? -- SatyrTN ( talk | contribs) 13:41, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Emiellaiendiay suggested the following articles on the Collaboration page some time ago (intersex and transgender removed):
Does anyone object to these becoming the next collaborations, and would liek to suggest something else? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 10:34, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
This is really funny: http://sportsreviewmagazine.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1194 When I was contacted I told them I mainly wanted Wikipedia as a resource for free media highlighted. -- David Shankbone 15:47, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
On the Nigel Slater article, a user has been repeatedly removing the sentence that says he's gay, as well as the LGBT category. At first I was just reverting & warning the user thinking it was straightforward vandalism, now I'm worried it's more of a POV dispute. Eventually he made a comment on the talkpage saying that it's libelous. The source in question is an interview on AfterElton.com which says in the lead, "Openly gay food writer Nigel Slater..." Is this enough to keep it in the article? In his autobiography Slater discussed homosexual feelings / experiences but seems reluctant to discuss his private life as an adult. As a result I haven't found any quotes saying "I'm gay" or anything similar. Are the AfterElton article & autobiography enough? -- Beloved freak 15:15, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
In this edit the Sheri L. Dew article had its project template removed by a member of this project. I had just added it to the article, as I sometimes do to articles that I come across which to me seem to fall within the scope of WikiProject LGBT studies. Could someone comment on this removal so that I will get a clearer picture of what may not be deemed relevant articles for this project? __ meco 08:52, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Would someone with some knowledge of comic book characters take a look at the discussion on Talk:Manga Khan and chime in? Thanks! -- SatyrTN ( talk | contribs) 10:26, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Lisa Vogel is a founder of the Michigan Womyn's Music Festival, but I can't find a source anywhere that says she's a lesbian. Anyone have one handy? -- SatyrTN ( talk | contribs) 17:39, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
What is up with this article? I put a notable tag up on it, but a merge tag with Celebrity impersonator is probably more appropriate. And the User who created it is canvassing on Talk:Drag queen. -- David Shankbone 18:35, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
But there's an already existing article on Natalie Clifford Barney. Should a redirect by created? Moni3 18:35, 11 July 2007 (UTC)Moni3
The following are the individuals who were removed from the Transman article section titled #Notable transmen. There is a great opportunity here to create articles on these transmen if you can assert their notability. Please add them to the article as articles are created.
If you see that an entry is bluelinked in the list below, please check Transman#Notable transmen to make sure the individual is included in the Transman article. Thank you! Joie de Vivre T 21:18, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Add items here only if they are bluelinked AND you have checked to see that they have been added to Transman#Notable transmen. Thanks! Joie de Vivre ° 15:17, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
There is a stub article on the Queer Student Cultural Center at the University of Minnesota, a GLBT student group created nearly 40 years ago (pre-Stonewall) and seemingly the first such group in America. (And one of the founding officers was the first gay marriage case ever litigated in America Baker v. Nelson.)
But it keeps getting deleted! The latest attempt is by somebody named VirtualSteve, who says: "A tag has been placed on Queer Student Cultural Center, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article appears to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia."
I'm fairly new to Wikipedia, and I don't know what to do here. I have added a bit more detail to the article. But what do we do to keep this guy from again 'wiping us out of (Wiki) history'? Any suggestions? T-bonham 07:00, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm new to this - not sure where to put this or quite how it works (and I'm impatient, too! Reading about it doesn't audibly tell me how it happens...)
But I created several articles: Ann Bannon and her series of lesbian pulp fiction novels from 1957 - 1962 including Odd Girl Out (novel), I Am A Woman, and Women In The Shadows. I plan to write the other two articles for the books in the series within the next several days, but already Odd Girl Out got a Wiki Novels categorization as stub/low and I don't think it deserves it. Any assistance would be appreciated. (Now I have to figure out how to get back here to read any replies...) Moni3 16:26, 5 July 2007 (UTC)Moni3
Ok clearly this is one of my pet projects. Would it improve the Ann Bannon or the book articles importance and quality rating if I included information about the context of the books in the repressive society of the US during the 1950s, highlighting sodomy laws, police raids on bars, city ordinances that banned women wearing pants in bars, etc? since the books are set in the gay bars of Greenwich Village? Bannon's books have also been criticized by some feminists for portraying gays and lesbians as barflies and alcoholics, and portraying butch-femme relationships as misogynistic. In searching for more material on Bannon, I found nothing, but I found a wealth of senior theses from Women's Studies majors discussing the books in both positive and negative lights. Senior thesis does not an authority make I think (neither do I, for that matter - although obsessed fan might). Any suggestions on weeding out the common and focusing on the authoritative historians? Oh, Journey To A Woman is up as an article and Beebo Brinker should be posted within 48 hours. Moni3 17:08, 6 July 2007 (UTC)Moni3
Miranda 10:37, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
(reduce indent) Based on the discretion of the user, only in userspace. Miranda 17:22, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Erm so...Can gay bloggers be contacted, is it fine now? Zigzig20s 09:29, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
I've changed the name of my blog. The banner can now be found here. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 11:16, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
On July 4, 2007, I responded to an AFA Action Alert entitled, "Hate Crimes Law: A Real Threat to Your Religious Freedom". Below is the text of the email I sent them:
I read the House version of the proposed "Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2007" (H.R. 1592 / S. 1105) and I couldn't find any part of that act which made Anti-homosexual speech a hate crime. In fact the act in question does nothing that the AFA alleges in its Action Alert.
I'm appalled that AFA would use such deceptive measures to prey on the fears of people to further its agenda. Your Action Alert was DISHONEST and UN-CHRISTIAN, you people should be ashamed of yourselves.
On July 9, 2007, I received the following response:
As with most legislation, especially with Senate Bill 1105, the words are such that it sounds good and right, but when you look closer you'll see where the threat to religious leaders and even the common Christian comes in. These three words: (actual or perceived), will make it impossible to read aloud Scripture such as: 1st Corinthians 6: 9-11 or Leviticus 18:22 without it being “perceived” as hate crime.
If you will note just below section 7, Section 249. Hate Crimes Act, the words actual or perceived are used at least four times, for example: `(A) IN GENERAL- Whoever, whether or not acting under color of law, in any circumstance described in subparagraph (B), willfully causes bodily injury to any person or, through the use of fire, a firearm, or an explosive or incendiary device, attempts to cause bodily injury to any person, because of the actual or perceived religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity or disability of any person—
The other language in this bill that is very concerning is also found under Section 249, d) Rule of Evidence- In a prosecution for an offense under this section, evidence of expression or associations of the defendant may not be introduced as substantive evidence at trial, unless the evidence specifically relates to that offense. However, nothing in this section affects the rules of evidence governing impeachment of a witness.
So, even though your Congress person may state that freedom of speech is protected this one section clearly shows that freedom of speech is the very freedom that is at stake.
Yes, I sent another response and it is as follows:
Sir/Ma'am;
Thank very much for responding. I thoroughly understand your position, but I am curious as to what standard or procedure you are using to gauge the meaning of the words "actual or perceived" as they are used in Senate Bill 1105, Sec. 7 and House Bill 1592, Sec. 6.
I have re-read the House version and read the Senate version and I am unable to glean the same meaning you present in your email. Would your concerns with these bills be due, in no small part, to their extending hate crimes to ALSO include acts committed against gays, lesbians, bisexuals & trans-gendered persons; considering the AFA's anti-gay position.
The law also includes protection from hate crimes because of race, color, religion, national origin, gender, or disability. What I don't understand is your opposition to including, as these bills state, "sexual orientation, [and] gender identity." Your opposition could lead one to think that extending such protections to also include gays, lesbians, bisexuals & trans-gendered persons should never be allowed and that such persons deserve nothing less than to have the crap beaten [out] of 'em.
The impression I have is that the AFA's position is that gays, lesbians, bisexuals & trans-gendered persons don't deserve equal protection under the law, don't have the right to live and work safely in this country.
Now if my impression is incorrect, could you be so kind as to explain your opposition to gays, lesbians, bisexuals & trans-gendered persons receiving equal protection under the law; as such impression can be easily gleaned from your Action Alerts.
Did I think I would actually change their mind? No. My purpose was to point out that their opposition to extending legal protections to gays, lesbians, bisexuals and trans-gendered persons can also mean that they have an implied support for hate crimes committed against such persons. If I get a response I'll be sure to post it here. -- Avazina 09:07, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Does [20] count as a reliable source to say Marion Zimmer Bradley was lesbian? Aleta 18:06, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
I need some second opinions on
La Comay. It's not clear (to me) from the article, but evidently Antulio Santarrosa Acevedo dresses up in a costume as a puppet or doll that is female. Does that fit the definition of
cross-dressing? Or
transgender? Is the article within our scope spectrum? --
SatyrTN (
talk |
contribs) 18:23, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
I hope this is not an issue, but I created a new article that falls under the purview of this project, Stonewall Library & Archives, so I added the LGBT Wikiproject tag to it. If it is inappropriate, please let me know and I will remove it. Horologium t- c 01:33, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Greetings. I've done some work on Slut Night and would appreciate some extra eyes to look it over as the article is up for deletion and I have to get some sleep. Benjiboi 13:56, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Personal attacks are flying on Talk:Matt Sanchez (esp. from the subject of the article - who has a thing about the "gay jihad"). It would be nice if some others, esp. admins would take a look... Aleta 22:23, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I'll take a look. WjB scribe 01:05, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
I note that BeckieCannons ( talk · contribs) is the 1st admin listed at Tranny International's "about us" page. Hence, their creation of the wiki article on Tranny International is a conflict of interest and I've just substed the COI warning, {{ Uw-coi}} onto their talk page. I note that someone else already added a non-notable tag to the article. Is that web site any more notable than the dozens (hundreds?) of similar sites out there, or should we support the non-notability and let the article get deleted? -- AliceJMarkham 00:15, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
I have been asked by Reg Domingo for an interview for SX News on the project. We're keen to get an Australian WP:LGBT member involved as well - is there anyone here from Australia that would like to appear? Do we even HAVE members from Australia? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 09:25, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Ok, it's not glamorous. I'm helping out with creating a virtual press kit for Wikimedia, and I thought it would be cool if we did our own one that we can release on Youtube and do other fun things with it. So, if anyone wants to be involved in the planning, or would just like to sit in front of a camera and be a talking head saying scripted lines enthusiastically, do let me know. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 10:55, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
People might like to give their thoughts on this one [23] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nick mallory ( talk • contribs) 14:27, 19 July 2007.
If anyone here reads Italian, could you take a look at Emilio Colombo, specifically the referenced article here? And see if that's a reliable source? Thanks!! -- SatyrTN ( talk | contribs) 21:03, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
hey'all, I've done some work on the Jeffree Star article(s) to help establish notability. The majority of material about him is unusable as his fame was created in blogs and continues to build there but I found several good stories that had a wealth of material. The article still needs work but I'm trying to preserve it from endless AfD'ing. Benjiboi 18:00, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Someone [24] has added a deletion tag to this article I've created. I don't think it should be deleted - it was shown at various film festivals [25], [26], even appears on the BBC website [27], appeared in Têtu (see reference in the article), and there is even a page on it on what I take to be Romanian Wikipedia [28]. Shouldn't the deletion tag just be removed? Zigzig20s 04:05, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Should this be added to the project as well? Zigzig20s 08:12, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm not even sure how I first noticed this guy's article but he seems to have acted in a bunch of films. Then it popped in my watchlist because an anonymous user deleted all the supplemental info (co-stars, studio info) from his films list leaving only the titles seemingly in a quest to gut the article. Now, presumably the same anonymous user is shooting for a speedy delete. When I undid the mass deletion of info I didn't cite a WP policy and the editor redeleted because I didn't - so obviously they are somewhat experienced user. I'm not terribly beholden to thinking the world will be worse without this article but it seems wrong and an abuse of the processes. Could some of y'all more knowledgeble with admin protocols take a look and see if 1. they did make sweeping edits that were out of line and 2. Is this AfD also out of line? thank you. Benjiboi 20:26, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Indent reset. lol! Marco Rossi is also an Italian actor so that might explain the whole mystery. Benjiboi 06:06, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
I can't help noticing two sets of articles of Same-sex marriage and Civil unions for a lot of countries. I can't help feeling that these two sets deal essentially with the same subject matter. Is there any country that has both? Many of these pages simply serve to say that neither same-sex marriage nor civil unions exist in the country. The rest of the content being almost identical, or at least ought to be since it covers attempts to secure those rights. It is suggested that they should be merged, as a matter of policy, into one single set of articles (along with a single template) called for example:
I say policy only because it would take some time. The single articles could deal comre comprehensively with the topic, avoid unnecessary repetition, deal with which if any a country had and deal with attempts to gain further rights. Caveat lector 17:03, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Before we rush to start deleting, let's think this through. I agree that for some tiny countries where the topic is not likely to be considered anytime soon, we don't need separate articles. However--civil unions/domestic partnerships are one thing, same-sex marriage is another. In some countries who started with CU/DP and then enacted SSM, there is a lot to say historically and legislatively on both topics, and perhaps we might want to consider whether the two topics are better kept in separate articles.
To give another example from an article I worked on myself: New Jersey passed a DP law in 2004 that extended to all gay couples as well as to straight couples over 62. In 2007, however, a new CU law came into effect; however, couples who are already in DP's are not required to change to a CU; the DP statute is still in operation. But new DP's can be formed only by couples over 62, straight or gay.
Unfortunately, an over-zealous editor from Germany quickly merged the NJ DP article into a new NJ CU article when the bill passed, not realizing that the old DP law continued to be in effect. I'm not sure that a reader would fully understand the legal situation from reading the NJ CU article as currently written.
But now suppose, as may well happen, New Jersey (or some other jurisdiction) starts to debate actual same-sex marriage, and a law finally gets approved. Chances are they could end up with 3 different legal relationships, all operating concurrently: DP's, CU's, and marriage. In other nations, like Quebec, CU's and marriage are also currently available options for all couples, straight and gay.
So my question is, would Wikipedia be better served by lumping all these different forms of legally recognized relationships together, by state or country; or by keeping them in separate articles? I'm just raising the question here for consideration; what do the rest of you think?-- Textorus 19:15, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Caveat lector 17:58, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
I've just created this page Oyster. The eponymous character is bisexual. However, I am not adding the LGBT tag because mention of his bisexuality is very scanty - his first description goes along the line of "epicene", and the other mention is when Mercy is told Brian is a favourite of Oyster's (at this point the word 'bisexual' is used). However, that didn't strike me as the backbone of the plotline or anything. Perhaps a queer theory analysis would lead to another conclusion though - feel free to browse through jstor if you have access to it! Zigzig20s 07:26, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Fudgie Frottage article (not my creation) was pretty messy but I added a lede, etc to assert notability. Could some folks take a look at it and make suggestions for next steps? I'm familiar with Fudgie's work but as it's quite extensive I don't have time to do all the research so I'd rather focus on what's needed to avoid deletion for now. Benjiboi 22:37, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Not sure if the AfD is worthy of attention but the information doesn't seem to be in the main article. Benjiboi 23:23, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
We said two and a half months ago that I would continue as Coordinator until August and we'd elect some Deputy Coordinators to get some people experienced in what I usually do, and reevaluate the situation towards the end of July. Well, we're coming there now, and I think it's time to evaluate.
I have been acutely and embarrassingly aware of my lack of reliability and irregular work over the past two months - obviously I couldn't help having exams and being dragged off to hell for a month, but all the same I have felt somewhat ashamed that despite having the caretaker role, I haven't been doing all that much caretaking. Kudos to everyone else who took up the slack, especially SatyrTN. I have all of August to get back in the swing of things but from September 4, I have a full time volunteering placement at Bradford University for a year. I ensured that I have broadband Internet access (well, actually, I told the supervisor very firmly that if I did not have Internet access I would not be volunteering with them, no matter how much pain the disabled were in), but my schedule sounds somewhat hectic and irregular, so until I feel I have regular time online, I don't think I should continue as the somewhat distant Coordinator, holding the fancy title but not really deserving it. I therefore offer to step down from the role, knowing that I may not be able to do it or you all justice.
So, the project now has several options:
It's really up to you. I'm happy to go with whatever the project wants to do - I've got lots of ideas for WP:LGBT, but I've got lots of ideas for other WikiProjects on Wikipedia and for elsewhere online too. None of it requires me to be a Coordinator at all if you think housekeeping should be left to fate or someone else.
We have come such an amazingly long way since November, and there's a real community of people here - we've not gained that many FAs, but I think it is obvious to everyone that our article quality has been on an upwards curve. What direction it takes next is your call. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 20:17, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
American Family Association is not currently tagged for this project; it might be within scope of this project under the "societal reaction" dimension like Westboro Baptist Church and Jerry Falwell. I leave it to experienced project members to decide. AUTiger » talk 03:06, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
I recently discovered the wonderful world of irc channels. :-) Does this project have its own irc channel? Raystorm (¿Sí?) 12:01, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Should the LGBT Project tag be added on the talk page, given that he was 'the first French politician to be fined 3,000€ for his homophobic remarks' last year? I would tend to think so. Zigzig20s 00:41, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
I was thinking of suggesting this [31] as the next monthly collaboration. It would seem very important and urgent imo. Of course this would entail more than one page (so many red links yet), but we'd have a whole month and I suspect that some of us have more time because of the holiday...What do you reckon? Zigzig20s 11:58, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
I was going to post this link on the relevant article pages, but then noticed your project page and thought you might prefer if I announce it here first.
As part of our coverage of the fortieth anniversary of the decriminalization of homosexuality in the UK, Advances in the History of Psychology (an academic blog run out of the Department of Psychology at York University) has published a set of bibliographies that you may find useful. The link will take you to a list of high-quality peer-reviewed journal articles that discuss the history of homosexuality from a psychological perspective, including numerous documents detailing how conceptions have changed in psychotherapy and by region. And, as trained historians, we thought this resource could be useful for your project; our unique contribution to an important online endeavour. JTBurman 12:21, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Check it out. :-P Raystorm (¿Sí?) 12:56, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Well, I'll take this as a good thing, as it's given me the motivation to start working on an essay on my userspace that might hopefully turn into a guideline at WP:GAYCABAL. Anyone interested in helping? CaveatLector Talk 15:22, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
I was looking through the Christian Voice archives today, and found "Christian Wins Wikipedia War Over Police Lies". It appears that Christian Voice have announced to all their members about this 'war'... which is actually a stupid edit war that no-one seems to have even noticed. Here's the history. I haven't actually looked at the edits yet, but seem pretty subdued from the summaries (it's late at night over here). I think it might be a good idea to keep an eye on a "Christian Voice activist" - take a look at his contribs - all edits seem to have a POV motive to them. Sorry if you've already looked at this. I still find it hard to believe that a prominent group like themselves would post that over an edit war :) Archer7 00:35, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 00:57, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
I was hoping to wikify 'law enforcements concerning homosexuality in France and in the United States' on my current Jumpaclass page, Giovanni's Room. Should I just link them to LGBT rights in France/the US, or is there a better page with strictly historical info regarding law enforcement and subsequent decriminalisation? Zigzig20s 01:54, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
The original article that I picked, " Straight pride" has been re-written by admin. It may or may not stay as I nominated it for deletion based on the old article. Should it stay I cannot take credit, good or bad for it's current form. So I decided to take a look at " Gay pride"...guess what? It's a start class article as well with only 3 references! Shame on us! So that will hopefully be a better project for me.-- Amadscientist 10:27, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Elagabalus has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. DrKiernan 07:22, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
Our peer reviews are starting to get backed up, if people could cast an eye over 'em I'm sure their submitters would be grateful. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 23:24, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I know how to move an article but can someone point to info about renaming an image file without deleting and reloading? Benjiboi 03:14, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
Just alerting everyone to today's mass-nomination at Wikipedia:User categories for discussion#Sexuality Related User Categories. TAnthony 16:20, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone else find this article to be in serious need of a non-biased rewrite? The section on Baden-Powell's sexuality is replete with insinuations of a connection between gay male sexuality and pedophilia. I'd really like to see this language changed, and I'm interested in building a consensus on the matter. Popkultur 00:37, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
I know that groups like NAMBLA have for the most part been condemned by all major LGBT groups, but I was wondering if their are any major LGBT groups that actively campaign against pedophile groups. The reason I am asking is there is a major POV struggle going on over certain articles relating to articles on child sexuality. Their seem to be two extremes that are constantly at war with each other. The one extreme side seems to constantly compare themselves to how LGBT people were and to a large extent still are oppressed by society. The other side seems to go to far out of its way to attack pedophile organizations, using questionable sources. Although I am practically opposed to everything organizations like NAMBLA (I don't even believe in trying people under 18 as adults because I think they lack the full judgment an adult would have), I think that all article should be NPOV and that organizations like NAMBLA's platform speaks for itself without having to engage in questionable spin tactics. Thanks, Jmm6f488 16:16, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm sure this isn't the best place to post this, but I get dizzy trying to navigate the labyrinth of wiki Help/Policy/Guideline/Discussion pages. But maybe some of you know somebody who knows somebody who might ultimately get a Big Somebody to consider the very awkward, frustrating methods we presently have for citing sources in an article.
The easiest way, of course, is just to put brackets around a URL and let it go at that. But unless you type in the author, work, date, etc., it doesn't tell the reader much about that source unless he/she goes and looks at it. Also, as someone pointed out to me several months ago, if an article ever goes for GA or FA status, the Powers That Be Cabal (lol) much prefers to see citations done with ref-ref around them - which makes a much nicer, neater reference list at the end of the page.
Typing up each reference that way would be way too laborious for this editor. I did somehow stumble across this fabulous citation generator, which though flawed, is a great help. BUT--when you add 10 or 20 references into the article that way, golly what a friggin' MESS it is to edit then! Like with an article I recently edited here
I know nothing whatever about wikisoftware (and I'm told by a contact at the Grand Software and Planetary Mastery Cabal that the less I know, the better off I'll be); but still, when I look at how we type info into articles, it does seem a bit, well, so last-century. (Sublime masters of the GSPMC, if you're listening, which of course you are, please note this is not a criticism, just a humble observation.) In my untechnological imagination, I can see how much nicer it would be, say, if there were a drop-down or pop-up box where we could quickly enter a citation's info; then return there and just click on that entry the next time we want to insert that same citation, and so on with the rest of them.
But no doubt this would involve weighty discussions with and supplications to the Grand High Supreme Universal Domination Cabal, and I don't even want to know who they are. Just throwing out an idle thought, bread upon the waters.-- Textorus 18:47, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
I simply copied a reference that was short and edited out the information and stored it on my page.-- Amadscientist 05:47, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
There was a lesbian couple in Jekyll?! How did I manage to watch four episodes of that and not notice? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 09:59, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Hey y'all, I was just making a little joke, lighten up! :-D But Stonewall, THE big LGBT rights outfit in the UK, is NOT joking. I found the article, which among other things says:
Go read the article and related reports here, if you like. Stonewall IS taking it very seriously, as well they should.-- Textorus 01:50, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
I've just tagged this for unencyclopedic tone. Needs a good bit of clean-up, but I'm not interested enough in the topic, I'm sorry to say, to do it. I've got a bunch of other, closer-to-home topics on my personal to-do list that I can't seem to get around to as fast as I'd like. Real life just gets in the way, you know what I mean? :-) -- Textorus 00:41, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
I've just downgraded this from GA to Start-class. (How it ever made GA, I have no idea.) It's a great topic, but all jumbled up and terribly incomplete. See my review of it from six months ago here. The original editor has left Wikipedia for good, and having read her reasons on her userpage, I can well understand her feelings. (I've become a disciple of the Sublime Truth and Serene Self-Mastery Cabal myself, for similar reasons.) But I do hope some kind soul who's a good writer and researcher will take this poor orphaned article to heart, and give it a good home. And work back up to a truly-deserved GA status! :-) -- Textorus 01:39, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
The article Straight pride has a huge problem of with references. There is an overuse of the website "Straight Pride Wear" a T-shirt site that sells the "Straight Pride" shirts, also known as "Straight pride.com". It also has a single editor that refuses to allow any changes to the article. the member Cheeser1 has been reverting editing out my contributions and I am beginning to suspect it has to do with my having the LBGT Studies tag on my user page and this person may be apart of the website. This is speculation however it has escalated to the point that I have had to go to Admin with the problem. Cheeser1 has changed nearly everything I have attempted. If this page is apart of this project can something be done to allow it's member the ability to not face harassment in editing! Please help! I am seriously beginning to get upset!-- Amadscientist 05:30, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
So much for jumpaclass... Zigzig20s 07:00, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Although I believe it should be deleted and suggest everyone go to the AfD page and vote as you feel, I don't think any page should be allowed to front as an article that merely tries to propagate and encourage a single website in the guise of a movement. Gay pride is not propaganda. It has a history of nearly 40 years. There is no official website that sell t-shirts. (although the parade itself has tons of vendors. I stopped and asked one if he was gay and he said no, but he was a capitalist! That was too funny!) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amadscientist ( talk • contribs) 22:56, 27 July 2007
Just so y'all know, it is considered bad form to 'recruit' for help 'winning' an edit war on a WikiProject talk page, or anywhere else for that matter. Next time, inform us of what's going on if it concerns the project, and contact the cabal.... if there were one.... CaveatLector Talk 03:45, 28 July 2007 (UTC) Just so YOU know, it's even worse form to make assumptions and put words in peoples mouths. I asked people to vote the WAY THEY FEEL, not the same way as I did or to remove the page. But thank you for accusing me of edit warring. Perhaps I shouldn't be apart of the project. That was highly uncivil of you. Perhaps you were unaware of Wiki guidelines that states that help should be sought at the project page? Here is what is said about third party envolvemnet on the Wikipedia:Conflict resolution page;
Wikipedia works by building consensus. To develop a consensus on a disputed topic, you may need to expose the issue to a larger audience. Options for doing this include:
*Asking at subject-specific Wikipedia:WikiProjects or policy pages relevant to the issue.
If you have not agreed to a truce before this point, you should do so now. Continuing to escalate the conflict with competing edits is likely to aggravate the dispute. This is also important if you intend to solicit outside opinions because it allows others to consider the issue fairly without the confusion of ongoing edits. If an edit war persists and parties refuse to stop, you may request that the page be protected to allow the process to move forward. -- Amadscientist 04:07, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Much as I hate to break in on your misunderstanding-cum-deathmatch, the grammar gremlin within does require me to point out to both of you it is "incivil" not "uncivil". Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 18:19, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
AfD vote has removed the article. It has again been deleted. I was wondering what people thought of adding some of the referenced material to the "opposition" section that was previously deleted from the Gay pride article that I am currently working on as my new Jumpaclass project. Not all information just some of it. Also the "death match between myself and CaveatLector has been resolved. He is a good person with a great deal of passion. That can only be respected. I just react negatively as I was already to hot under the collar from the whole situation on that page! Thank you sir for accepting my apology.-- Amadscientist 23:46, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
up for speedy delete Benjiboi 23:29, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
His publications include
sorry ...edit conflict.. I was adding. Gay Police Officer - This is not a core interst of mine but I would be interested to know whether Bridge is held in a positive or negative light by LGBT participants Aatomic1 09:11, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
It's late and I'm not feeling very civil and mentory-ish. Could someone sort this out [34] and see if the asexual cabal is on the loose? thank you Benjiboi 11:39, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
REMOVED BY POSTER SINCE IT WAS OFFENSIVE!!!!!!!!!!! Avazina 00:03, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
I was thinking I could perhaps take a picture of the latest Têtu issue with my webcam. However, is that fair use? Zigzig20s 14:07, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
Recently I came across this video on YouTube called Homosexuality in Ancient Greece I'd like several of you to view this video and post your thoughts (either here or there). If you think it is inappropriate, tantamount to hate, then let me encourage you to flag the video as inappropriate. Avazina 00:01, 5 August 2007 (UTC)