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Hi all, if anyone has read Janet Mock's second memoir, Surpassing Certainty, the WP entry could really use some help with the "Content" (would be "Plot" if it were fiction) section. Refs not strictly required; in describing what's in a book, the assumption is the book itself is the reference. So you can just summarize what you read! Thanks to any/all who could lend a hand. Innisfree987 ( talk) 21:41, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 August 15#Gay propaganda. Opinions are needed. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 00:22, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
I have 2 questions please First Sophus Thalbitzer is about a straight ally doctor who like Evelyn Hooker helped to decriminalise homosexuality in Denmark His categories are only LGBT history in Denmark But i added the categories of sexual orientation and psychology and the one of sexual orientation and science just like those of Evelyn Hooker ones. So should Evelyn Hooker be added to LGBT history in the US category Should Evelyn hooker and dophus trablitzer both be added to the category of LGBT activists in the us and in denmark resoectively Since that category contains a lot of LGBT allies and friends and scientists or what?
Second the page Lesbian Movement (Denmark) is in the category of LGBt history in denmark It is an lgbt assiciation that is defunct now Should it be put in LGBt assiciations in denmark category Or what what do u think Sorry for the bother again This may sound stupid and unnecessary for some But it is so important and improving believe me AdamPrideTN ( talk) 16:11, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
There is a danish and swedish version of this page Lesbian mouvement (denmark) that are not redericted here to Here is a link to it Can anyone do it pls
https://da.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesbisk_Bevægelse AdamPrideTN ( talk) 03:40, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
Lesbian movement (denmark) AdamPrideTN ( talk) 03:41, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
Lesbian Movement (Denmark) AdamPrideTN ( talk) 03:41, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
Armenia and Estonia do not recognize same-sex marriages. This is clearly shown in the article about Estonia. In the article about Armenia, references to fake news. But the group of participants is engaged in consistent vandalism, lodging information and intimidating other participants -- Терпр ( talk) 15:44, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
The is a (deadnaming) argument here regards the inclusion of the birthname of a transgender artist in the Infobox, that needs assistance. ~ BOD ~ TALK 15:13, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
69.181.23.220 ( talk) 23:34, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
At Heteronormativity ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), opinions are needed on the following: Talk:Heteronormativity#The link to heterosexism and homophobia. A permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 23:18, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
Opinions are needed on the following: Talk:Heteronormativity#Merge proposal: Merge Queer erasure here. A permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 21:32, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
Could someone take a look at Rain Dove? People have been changing the pronouns in the article to they and she back and forth, and sometimes to he. Dove has said that there is no preferred pronoun, and sources cited in the article all use female pronouns to refer to Dove as far as I've looked (see talk). I could see arguments for both she and they, but ether way we need to settle on one and move on. Thanks. Nardog ( talk) 06:40, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
Hello all, just wanted to let you all know that the article about trans woman politician Christine Hallquist is experiencing repeated attempts to change pronouns and reinsert birthname. While these come from IP and redlinked accounts, they also come from some established editors. Jessamyn has posted guidance on the talk page, and I have just added the MOS-TW template. Per the template, I'm notifying here.-- Theredproject ( talk) 13:20, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
Your opinion is welcome at a proposed move of Radical lesbians to Radical lesbianism. Please add your thoughts at Talk:Radical lesbians#Requested move 31 August 2018. Mathglot ( talk) 08:04, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
"Bisexual" is sometimes defined as "homosexual and heterosexual" but according to heterosexuality, bisexual people are neither heterosexual nor homosexual. Apokrif ( talk) 22:54, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
Editors familiar with the featured article process may be interested in the nomination of " San Junipero", an episode of Black Mirror about a romance between two women. The nomination can be found here. Thanks! — Bilorv (c) (talk) 21:29, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
Your feedback is requested at an Rfc at Talk:Lisa Littman#Possible courses of action regarding this BLP. Thanks, Mathglot ( talk) 00:13, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
This page is a mess, trying to support the usual non-scientific theories about social and cultural influence on sexual behavior (by even abusing sources like the APA itself). I tried a small fix in section 0, but the whole page seems useless, given there is already Sexual orientation#Influences:_professional_organizations'_statements -- 151.75.84.245 ( talk) 14:02, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
Is there a draft that has been started for Sharice Davids? (<--This is now a redirect) She's gotten a lot of press coverage already in major publications for being a Native-American LGBT Democratic nominee in a red state, but her notability kind of hangs on the outcome of the election. I was going to start something, but I didn't want to bother if there was already a version (or two) being cooked up by someone else.-- MattMauler ( talk) 10:23, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
Dante "Tex" Gill has had his birth name removed so I wanna know if it should be restored? Dwanyewest ( talk) 10:10, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
The term LGBT doesn't seem to be inclusive of "intersex" but these days they seem to be included in most subjects. Is it ok for me to add information about intersex military service in articles/sections about LGBT military subjects? ★Trekker ( talk) 16:22, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
Hello! I am working on creating a new article for Homophobia toward Ethnic Minorities in the United States. To accomplish this, I will use some of the information that exists on the parent article, Homophobia in ethnic minority communities, and add more detail to all of the sections that focus on the United States. I will also create a section for Native-Americans and detail their experiences of homophobia within the US. T.scott0513 ( talk) 08:18, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
It's been brought to my attention that Kiss of the Spider Woman (film) and Kiss of the Spider Woman (novel) refer to Molina as a trans woman; I'm not super familiar with them but my understanding, via the people who brought it to my attention, is that that's a potential interpretation that we could mention if able to source, but very far from consensus and that people led to this story by the unambiguous statement that the lead is trans would be disappointed. Can anyone weigh in? – Roscelese ( talk ⋅ contribs) 14:14, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
While some critics prefer the label of “homosexual” in their studies of these protagonists, I prefer the use of “transgender,” as I feel it is more accurate in discussing characters who truly do identify more with women interested in pursuing relationships with men, rather than identifying themselves as men attracted to other men. This distinction is especially helpful when we consider that both characters use female pronouns and adjectives when describing themselves in relation to the men in their lives.One line she points to is
"Yo y mis amigas somos mu-jer. [...] Nosotras somos mujeres normales que nos acostamos con hombres." (My friends and I are wo-men. [...] We are normal women who go to bed with men.)Umimmak ( talk) 08:27, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
Opinions are needed on the following: Talk:Matthew Shepard#Requested move 12 October 2018. A permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 12:50, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
I notice the Diane Whipple article has duplicate content. Would someone mind taking a look?
Thanks, WhisperToMe ( talk) 09:41, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
I know this is a thing. I'm not finding an article about it though. Am I overlooking some obvious difference in naming convention that anyone is aware of? GMG talk 15:37, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
Hello. I would like to add a subsection to this article about homophobic/lesbophobic/biphobic/transphobic workplace bullying in academia. For example, if a homophobic professor harasses/bullies another professor because they are LGBTQ. I have found this article so far:
This is related to the It Gets Better Project but somewhat different. The It Gets Better project focuses on students, not professors. The lines may be blurred in the case of graduate student instructors, e.g. if homophobic professors harass an LGBTQ GSI.
Is anyone else interested in expanding Workplace bullying in academia with me and are you able to find more sources we could cite please? Zigzig20s ( talk) 20:01, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
The administrator Sealle of the Wikimedia Commons and Russian Wikipedia came " ru:Однополые браки в России" and began to delete images under various pretexts: File:Pavel Stotsko and Evgenii Voitsekhovskii are marrying in the wedding office of Copenhagen's Town Hall.jpg File:Official marks in passports of citizens of the Russian Federation on state registration of same-sex marriage.jpg File:Slava Mogutin and Robert Filippini.jpg When contacting the administrator Sealle with a request to clarify the deletion, the administrator is frankly rude and gives unreasonable warnings. In the absence of a rational position and argument, I consider such actions a manifestation of homophobia -- Терпрп ( talk) 13:25, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
Input is welcome at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red#Gender q regarding what the correct Wikidata statement would be for the gender of three drag queens. GMG talk 20:17, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
Editors in this WikiProject may be interested in the featured quality source review RFC that has been ongoing. It would change the featured article candidate process (FAC) so that source reviews would need to occur prior to any other reviews for FAC. Your comments are appreciated. -- Izno Repeat ( talk) 21:32, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
The article on John/Eleanor Rykener, the 14th-century transvestite sex worker, is up for a suggested more to "John Rykener" and I wondered if more people in this Wikiproject might be interested in joining the discussion on the proposed move. You can join the discussion here. -- Woofboy ( talk) 20:27, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
Hey! There's a discussion going on over at Bex Taylor-Klaus' talk page about the pronouns on their page! I feel like a couple people might know who they are and want to throw in their opinion! QueerFilmNerd talk 19:05, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
There are tons of lists with redlinks for articles that might become made, but 90% of them are biographies, with the exception of the intersex list, which has a lot more on it. Maybe we should make a list for non-biography proposed articles? ★Trekker ( talk) 11:25, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at CfD about Category:Queer people. Feel free to join the discussion. Marcocapelle ( talk) 10:44, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
I am attempting to mediate a content dispute at Talk:Zombie Land Saga#Lily Hoshikawa's gender, and I would appreciate fresh eyeballs. TheDragonFire ( talk) 13:29, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
There is an RFC at Talk:Stéphane_Grappelli#RFC:_Gay regarding whether or not the article should state that the subject was gay. Please provide your perspective! – Roscelese ( talk ⋅ contribs) 04:07, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
I wanted to ask for some opinions about List of LGBT-related films and List of LGBT-related films by storyline.
When these were first created in 2007, a much smaller number of LGBT-related films actually had Wikipedia articles at all, so this may have made sense as a method of organization. For example, even though List of LGBT-related films by year was created concurrently with the other two lists, at the time even it was just a single list with subsections for each year rather than the "list of lists" that it is now — it didn't even start getting split up into lists by individual year until 2012. But with the 2010s having seen an unprecedented explosion in both the number of LGBT-related films getting released and their public visibility and critical or award or audience notability, we now have literally thousands more articles about LGBT-related films than we did in 2007 — so I believe it's time for a rethink.
Firstly, as things currently stand, List of LGBT-related films is still trying to serve as a complete master list of all LGBT-related films, but many films aren't actually getting added to it at all. For instance, when I tried to think off the top of my head of a few notable recent LGBT-related films I could check, the first four I came up with were Boy Erased, It's Only the End of the World, Love, Simon and Moonlight — and sure enough, my random spotcheck had a 50 per cent failure rate: the latter two are listed in that article, while the first two aren't.
But that's just a symptom of the problem, not the actual crux of my argument: the core problem is that we now have around 4,000 articles about LGBT-related films, which means that the "master list" is rapidly becoming unmaintainable. It would literally take weeks to cross-reference the "master list" against all of the "by year" lists to ensure that it's actually complete, and once completed it would be too long to be manageable — and that's before you even consider that there are still also a not-insignficant number of redlinks in the lists above and beyond the 4,000 articles that we already have, as well as some indeterminate number of other films that we may have completely neglected to list anywhere at all. I'm quite certain, in fact, that if somebody really took on a comprehensive project of getting the master list thoroughly compiled, the number of films to be listed in it would be approaching or exceeding 10 thousand.
And I just don't see any real value in List of LGBT-related films by storyline at all: it's also a very incomplete and non-representative selection of films, to which many notable films haven't actually been added at all — and I question whether it's valuable to single out things like "with conversion therapy" and "with tragedy" as noteworthy subgroupings.
Accordingly, my proposals are as follows:
Any input? Bearcat ( talk) 01:04, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
I recently added episode summaries to Butterfly, a drama about a trans girl. The show begins with the character going by the name "Max" and referred to with "he/him" pronouns. From the start of the second episode onwards, the character is referred to as "Maxine" and uses "she/her". The current summaries—and the rest of the article—refers to the character by Maxine and with she/her only. I'd appreciate if someone else could take a look at the episode summaries and see if there are any poorly written bits; in particular, I'm aiming for the descriptions to be as easy as possible to understand for someone with no/little prior knowledge of trans people, which may render phrases like "her penis" confusing. — Bilorv (c) (talk) 01:46, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
--- Another Believer ( Talk) 01:58, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
--- Another Believer ( Talk) 02:16, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
I ain't even trans and this nonsense is getting old. Is there someone around here who's better equipped than I am to deal with the smug, straight, cis dudes who insist on deadnaming a trans woman, and yet don't make a peep about the legal names of people like Cher? 24.138.76.242 ( talk) 03:20, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
Ages and names stated are at time of contestbut I've always taken that to refer to their drag name. The same issue comes up for Stacy Layne Matthews ( Season 3), Kenya Michaels ( Season 4), Monica Beverly Hillz ( Season 5), Gia Gunn ( Season 6). Peppermint ( Season 9) is not dead-named only because she was out as a trans woman before the promotional material for the season. Umimmak ( talk) 22:58, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
--- Another Believer ( Talk) 02:54, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
I'm not really sure where to write this, and while I realize this isn't about articles strictly germane to the LGBT studies Wikiproject I thought people here might have thoughts. Why is it that only LGBT people have statements about their sexual orientation or whether or not they are trans or cis? Is the idea just that the default is straight and cis and that doesn't need to be specified? Or is it because that is the default, there are fewer reliable sources discussing people being straight or cis? This is in particular in reference to an exchange of edits going on at Shawn Mendes (see discussion on Talk:Shawn Mendes). I also think it should be mentioned because there has been so much speculation as to his sexuality, and leaving it un-mentioned might let the reader infer that he has not spoken publicly about his sexual orientation. Like I said, this might not be the most ideal wikiproject to ask these questions, but I figured people here have thought more than others about the implications of whether or not to include someone's sexual orientation in their article. Thanks. Umimmak ( talk) 05:30, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
If a gay man is not notable for being gay (in part or otherwise), or being gay is not relevant to his public life, a case can be made to not mention that he's gay.-- has that ever happened? I can't say I recall someone removing a well-sourced mention of someone being gay because it doesn't come up often or because sources don't discuss its influence on their public life or their work or whatever. Umimmak ( talk) 01:09, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
I have raised this question at Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2018/Candidates#Diversity. Some may wish to chip in. At the moment it's very much nobody cares, and we don't understand why this would be important. -- Fæ ( talk) 17:56, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
I found the discussion entirely hostile and the community there totally unwilling to take on board that heteronormativity exists, and may be an issue of systemic bias for Arbcom. I have closed with
If any openly LGBT+ contributors are thinking of joining Arbcom in the future, take a slow read through the responses there. Thanks -- Fæ ( talk) 12:55, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
Back in February, I started an RFC on Wikidata:WikiProject LGBT about “ What values should we use for sexual orientation?”, but it got very little traction (with only 2 people making comments, 1 here and 1 there). While it seems like a relatively minor thing, there are some things that currently cannot be encoded in Wikidata without breaking data-integrity constraints. That doesn't make too much difference in practice, but it does mean that changes like listing Tanya Saracho ( Tanya Saracho (Q22280306)) as identifying as queer ( queer (Q51415)) is much more likely to be reverted until we find a way that can reach consensus.
If anyone who has any opinion about how to record people's self-identified gender and orientation could contribute there that would be very much appreciated. — OwenBlacker ( talk; please {{ ping}} me in replies) 14:46, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
Opinions are needed at Talk:Rita Ora#Bisexuality. A permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 05:50, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
Hello I created a dreaft about Draft:Same-sex marriage in South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands from information that i can only find from the net Its short i know but its a jurisdiction so i think it deserves it's own like other overseas territories Do u know how and Would u help in any way to make it a page and not just a draft Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by AdamPrideTN ( talk • contribs) 12:06, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
I feel like Wikipedia should cover this subject somewhere in some way (can't find much now). They are independent pretty much in the same way as states, how has this factored into LGBT rights? ★Trekker ( talk) 18:05, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
I'm looking to improve the article Gay–straight alliance, and have raised two issues on the Talk page:
Your opinions and feedback at either or both of the discussions would be welcome, as would your assistance improving the article. Thanks! Mathglot ( talk) 11:21, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
On the medical comedy-drama Trapper John, M.D. (based on a character in MASH (film)), there was an episode with a very young patient with male organs. I have no idea what was wrong with the child, but the discovery was made that "he" was actually female and the doctors recommended the male organs be removed and the child be raised female. The parents objected and wanted to raise the child as a male, because that's what "he" had always been. They were told that would be much more complicated and expensive and harder on the child. I don't even remember what decision was made. I'm wondering if there's a name for the child's situation. For now, I'll call it "Trapper John Syndrome".— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:54, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
A little while ago I added to the lead of Cross-dressing the sentence "It is related to, but not synonymous with, transvestism." This was then reverted, with that editor taking the positive step of improving another article: "Not sourced, and contradicted by sources I added at Transvestism#Terminology." I took the ball and ran with it, as I believe Americans say, using the newly added material to create a terminology section for Cross-dressing. So far so good.
But what I found in reading those sources is that even well over a decade ago, there was an activist academic argument that "The term cross-dressing too is somewhat outdated and problematic". So what terms and links can we use to help the average, non-specialist reader? I think there ought to be prominent prose statements to help them find what they are looking for. By "prose" I mean in the main text, not just info boxes or see also section, and preferably in the lead. Where there's any likelihood of possible confusion, I support crafting a sentence or two to the effect "Topic A used to be known as B, although campaigners now also suggest term C. Topic A is generally taken to be a particular type of D, and overlaps significantly with E." With lovely useful links for all of those letters, of course.
Do Cross-dressing and Transvestism deserve separate articles, or would a merge be sensible? Which term is more searched for? My perception is that people not in the know will assume the two words are quasi-synonymous. How can we make it clear in the leads (of all relevant articles) that they aren't? -- Carbon Caryatid ( talk) 02:14, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
That first statement and ones like it do not negate the fact that cross-dresser is preferred to the term transvestiteand I wonder why you pointed that out to me since I never argued against that. Especially when the info I dug up absolutely supported the idea that transvestite should not be used in general for crossdressers? Did I seem like I was arguing for replacing crossdresser with transvestite in my text? Because that was certainly not my intention to come off like that. ★Trekker ( talk) 13:25, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
I never stated that transvestite should be used in general for cross-dresser.And I never claimed that you did, as a matter of fact I'm confused to how one would think that based on what I've written. What I said is that I felt that you seemed to be implying that I was saying that when you pointed out the "cross-dresser > transvestite terminology" thing to me, which I was already well aware of (I'm sure any english speaker with a finger in the LGBT world would know transvestite could be seen as ugly to use). I was never interested to talk about the general terminology for cross-dressers and it was not something I brought up in my text. I only ever wanted to state that transvestism could be specified to be a specific form of cross-dressing, which it is, not if one word should be used for all people who cross-dress. ★Trekker ( talk) 14:17, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
I'm working through wikidata records for people, to try to ensure they have a P21 Gender code. I'm regularly defeated by drag queens, bless 'em, for the reason that their wikipedia articles tend to include a mix of he & she pronouns, and I would not wish to cause offense. Wikidata suports a wide range of genders, including various trans and non-binary, so it should be possible to do the job properly. Should anyone here have more knowledge & confidence in this matter than I, here are a couple of candidates for coding; I'm sure more will follow. thanks -- Tagishsimon ( talk) 15:52, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lesbian utopia. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 00:46, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
I started the discussion at Talk:Jim Rash#Instagram post a while ago; I invite you for some input. -- George Ho ( talk) 00:12, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gayish (podcast) --- Another Believer ( Talk) 22:39, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
LGBT, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. AIRcorn (talk) 21:36, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
There is a discussion on the reliability of Hornet Stories and Unicorn Booty (unicornbooty.com; defunct) on the reliable sources noticeboard. If you are interested, please participate at WP:RSN § Hornet Stories (hornet.com/stories) and Unicorn Booty (unicornbooty.com) — Newslinger talk 02:57, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at
Talk:RuPaul's Drag Race#RfC on names of transgender contestants.
Nihlus
21:22, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
Here is the situation:
This entire situation is going to require multiple discussions to set policy over the years. It might not be time to plan to tackle this now, but as one part of this, I started drafting out WP:Identity verification. I want to develop this into an information page on how the Wikipedia community checks the identity of Wikimedia users or other people who contact us.
One use case of this could be in providing a process by means of which individuals could contact us for a gender change in a Wikipedia article about them.
My opinion is that we do not have the security infrastructure to check people's private identification nor do we have the training in place to encourage any Wikimedian to do this consistently or fairly. Someday we might. For now, I am only documenting what already seems to happen in the space of identification checks.
See here - Wikipedia:Identity verification
If anyone wants to contribute information about Wikipedia's current identification process then please share any thoughts.
Thanks. Blue Rasberry (talk) 22:15, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
See article history. 2600:1003:B11B:35C7:0:26:D0C8:1101 ( talk) 14:35, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
Martina Navratilova has been sacked from the advisory board of Athlete Ally due to "[her] recent comments on trans athletes are transphobic, based on a false understanding of science and data, and perpetuate dangerous myths that lead to the ongoing targeting of trans people through discriminatory laws, hateful stereotypes and disproportionate violence." I have added a sentence to Martina_Navratilova#Activism_and_opinions but kept it brief. As this is an evolving and controversial press story, I would appreciate more eyes to ensure that this is maintained and kept fully accurate.
I am aware that an instant response would be to remove "transphobic" (mainly because Navratilova states she is not a transphobe), but this is exactly what the reliable sources support, and what Navratilova's own published statements make unambiguous. The press release by Athlete Ally seems an accurate summary. -- Fæ ( talk) 10:10, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
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Hi all, if anyone has read Janet Mock's second memoir, Surpassing Certainty, the WP entry could really use some help with the "Content" (would be "Plot" if it were fiction) section. Refs not strictly required; in describing what's in a book, the assumption is the book itself is the reference. So you can just summarize what you read! Thanks to any/all who could lend a hand. Innisfree987 ( talk) 21:41, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 August 15#Gay propaganda. Opinions are needed. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 00:22, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
I have 2 questions please First Sophus Thalbitzer is about a straight ally doctor who like Evelyn Hooker helped to decriminalise homosexuality in Denmark His categories are only LGBT history in Denmark But i added the categories of sexual orientation and psychology and the one of sexual orientation and science just like those of Evelyn Hooker ones. So should Evelyn Hooker be added to LGBT history in the US category Should Evelyn hooker and dophus trablitzer both be added to the category of LGBT activists in the us and in denmark resoectively Since that category contains a lot of LGBT allies and friends and scientists or what?
Second the page Lesbian Movement (Denmark) is in the category of LGBt history in denmark It is an lgbt assiciation that is defunct now Should it be put in LGBt assiciations in denmark category Or what what do u think Sorry for the bother again This may sound stupid and unnecessary for some But it is so important and improving believe me AdamPrideTN ( talk) 16:11, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
There is a danish and swedish version of this page Lesbian mouvement (denmark) that are not redericted here to Here is a link to it Can anyone do it pls
https://da.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesbisk_Bevægelse AdamPrideTN ( talk) 03:40, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
Lesbian movement (denmark) AdamPrideTN ( talk) 03:41, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
Lesbian Movement (Denmark) AdamPrideTN ( talk) 03:41, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
Armenia and Estonia do not recognize same-sex marriages. This is clearly shown in the article about Estonia. In the article about Armenia, references to fake news. But the group of participants is engaged in consistent vandalism, lodging information and intimidating other participants -- Терпр ( talk) 15:44, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
The is a (deadnaming) argument here regards the inclusion of the birthname of a transgender artist in the Infobox, that needs assistance. ~ BOD ~ TALK 15:13, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
69.181.23.220 ( talk) 23:34, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
At Heteronormativity ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), opinions are needed on the following: Talk:Heteronormativity#The link to heterosexism and homophobia. A permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 23:18, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
Opinions are needed on the following: Talk:Heteronormativity#Merge proposal: Merge Queer erasure here. A permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 21:32, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
Could someone take a look at Rain Dove? People have been changing the pronouns in the article to they and she back and forth, and sometimes to he. Dove has said that there is no preferred pronoun, and sources cited in the article all use female pronouns to refer to Dove as far as I've looked (see talk). I could see arguments for both she and they, but ether way we need to settle on one and move on. Thanks. Nardog ( talk) 06:40, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
Hello all, just wanted to let you all know that the article about trans woman politician Christine Hallquist is experiencing repeated attempts to change pronouns and reinsert birthname. While these come from IP and redlinked accounts, they also come from some established editors. Jessamyn has posted guidance on the talk page, and I have just added the MOS-TW template. Per the template, I'm notifying here.-- Theredproject ( talk) 13:20, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
Your opinion is welcome at a proposed move of Radical lesbians to Radical lesbianism. Please add your thoughts at Talk:Radical lesbians#Requested move 31 August 2018. Mathglot ( talk) 08:04, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
"Bisexual" is sometimes defined as "homosexual and heterosexual" but according to heterosexuality, bisexual people are neither heterosexual nor homosexual. Apokrif ( talk) 22:54, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
Editors familiar with the featured article process may be interested in the nomination of " San Junipero", an episode of Black Mirror about a romance between two women. The nomination can be found here. Thanks! — Bilorv (c) (talk) 21:29, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
Your feedback is requested at an Rfc at Talk:Lisa Littman#Possible courses of action regarding this BLP. Thanks, Mathglot ( talk) 00:13, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
This page is a mess, trying to support the usual non-scientific theories about social and cultural influence on sexual behavior (by even abusing sources like the APA itself). I tried a small fix in section 0, but the whole page seems useless, given there is already Sexual orientation#Influences:_professional_organizations'_statements -- 151.75.84.245 ( talk) 14:02, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
Is there a draft that has been started for Sharice Davids? (<--This is now a redirect) She's gotten a lot of press coverage already in major publications for being a Native-American LGBT Democratic nominee in a red state, but her notability kind of hangs on the outcome of the election. I was going to start something, but I didn't want to bother if there was already a version (or two) being cooked up by someone else.-- MattMauler ( talk) 10:23, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
Dante "Tex" Gill has had his birth name removed so I wanna know if it should be restored? Dwanyewest ( talk) 10:10, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
The term LGBT doesn't seem to be inclusive of "intersex" but these days they seem to be included in most subjects. Is it ok for me to add information about intersex military service in articles/sections about LGBT military subjects? ★Trekker ( talk) 16:22, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
Hello! I am working on creating a new article for Homophobia toward Ethnic Minorities in the United States. To accomplish this, I will use some of the information that exists on the parent article, Homophobia in ethnic minority communities, and add more detail to all of the sections that focus on the United States. I will also create a section for Native-Americans and detail their experiences of homophobia within the US. T.scott0513 ( talk) 08:18, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
It's been brought to my attention that Kiss of the Spider Woman (film) and Kiss of the Spider Woman (novel) refer to Molina as a trans woman; I'm not super familiar with them but my understanding, via the people who brought it to my attention, is that that's a potential interpretation that we could mention if able to source, but very far from consensus and that people led to this story by the unambiguous statement that the lead is trans would be disappointed. Can anyone weigh in? – Roscelese ( talk ⋅ contribs) 14:14, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
While some critics prefer the label of “homosexual” in their studies of these protagonists, I prefer the use of “transgender,” as I feel it is more accurate in discussing characters who truly do identify more with women interested in pursuing relationships with men, rather than identifying themselves as men attracted to other men. This distinction is especially helpful when we consider that both characters use female pronouns and adjectives when describing themselves in relation to the men in their lives.One line she points to is
"Yo y mis amigas somos mu-jer. [...] Nosotras somos mujeres normales que nos acostamos con hombres." (My friends and I are wo-men. [...] We are normal women who go to bed with men.)Umimmak ( talk) 08:27, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
Opinions are needed on the following: Talk:Matthew Shepard#Requested move 12 October 2018. A permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 12:50, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
I notice the Diane Whipple article has duplicate content. Would someone mind taking a look?
Thanks, WhisperToMe ( talk) 09:41, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
I know this is a thing. I'm not finding an article about it though. Am I overlooking some obvious difference in naming convention that anyone is aware of? GMG talk 15:37, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
Hello. I would like to add a subsection to this article about homophobic/lesbophobic/biphobic/transphobic workplace bullying in academia. For example, if a homophobic professor harasses/bullies another professor because they are LGBTQ. I have found this article so far:
This is related to the It Gets Better Project but somewhat different. The It Gets Better project focuses on students, not professors. The lines may be blurred in the case of graduate student instructors, e.g. if homophobic professors harass an LGBTQ GSI.
Is anyone else interested in expanding Workplace bullying in academia with me and are you able to find more sources we could cite please? Zigzig20s ( talk) 20:01, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
The administrator Sealle of the Wikimedia Commons and Russian Wikipedia came " ru:Однополые браки в России" and began to delete images under various pretexts: File:Pavel Stotsko and Evgenii Voitsekhovskii are marrying in the wedding office of Copenhagen's Town Hall.jpg File:Official marks in passports of citizens of the Russian Federation on state registration of same-sex marriage.jpg File:Slava Mogutin and Robert Filippini.jpg When contacting the administrator Sealle with a request to clarify the deletion, the administrator is frankly rude and gives unreasonable warnings. In the absence of a rational position and argument, I consider such actions a manifestation of homophobia -- Терпрп ( talk) 13:25, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
Input is welcome at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red#Gender q regarding what the correct Wikidata statement would be for the gender of three drag queens. GMG talk 20:17, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
Editors in this WikiProject may be interested in the featured quality source review RFC that has been ongoing. It would change the featured article candidate process (FAC) so that source reviews would need to occur prior to any other reviews for FAC. Your comments are appreciated. -- Izno Repeat ( talk) 21:32, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
The article on John/Eleanor Rykener, the 14th-century transvestite sex worker, is up for a suggested more to "John Rykener" and I wondered if more people in this Wikiproject might be interested in joining the discussion on the proposed move. You can join the discussion here. -- Woofboy ( talk) 20:27, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
Hey! There's a discussion going on over at Bex Taylor-Klaus' talk page about the pronouns on their page! I feel like a couple people might know who they are and want to throw in their opinion! QueerFilmNerd talk 19:05, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
There are tons of lists with redlinks for articles that might become made, but 90% of them are biographies, with the exception of the intersex list, which has a lot more on it. Maybe we should make a list for non-biography proposed articles? ★Trekker ( talk) 11:25, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at CfD about Category:Queer people. Feel free to join the discussion. Marcocapelle ( talk) 10:44, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
I am attempting to mediate a content dispute at Talk:Zombie Land Saga#Lily Hoshikawa's gender, and I would appreciate fresh eyeballs. TheDragonFire ( talk) 13:29, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
There is an RFC at Talk:Stéphane_Grappelli#RFC:_Gay regarding whether or not the article should state that the subject was gay. Please provide your perspective! – Roscelese ( talk ⋅ contribs) 04:07, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
I wanted to ask for some opinions about List of LGBT-related films and List of LGBT-related films by storyline.
When these were first created in 2007, a much smaller number of LGBT-related films actually had Wikipedia articles at all, so this may have made sense as a method of organization. For example, even though List of LGBT-related films by year was created concurrently with the other two lists, at the time even it was just a single list with subsections for each year rather than the "list of lists" that it is now — it didn't even start getting split up into lists by individual year until 2012. But with the 2010s having seen an unprecedented explosion in both the number of LGBT-related films getting released and their public visibility and critical or award or audience notability, we now have literally thousands more articles about LGBT-related films than we did in 2007 — so I believe it's time for a rethink.
Firstly, as things currently stand, List of LGBT-related films is still trying to serve as a complete master list of all LGBT-related films, but many films aren't actually getting added to it at all. For instance, when I tried to think off the top of my head of a few notable recent LGBT-related films I could check, the first four I came up with were Boy Erased, It's Only the End of the World, Love, Simon and Moonlight — and sure enough, my random spotcheck had a 50 per cent failure rate: the latter two are listed in that article, while the first two aren't.
But that's just a symptom of the problem, not the actual crux of my argument: the core problem is that we now have around 4,000 articles about LGBT-related films, which means that the "master list" is rapidly becoming unmaintainable. It would literally take weeks to cross-reference the "master list" against all of the "by year" lists to ensure that it's actually complete, and once completed it would be too long to be manageable — and that's before you even consider that there are still also a not-insignficant number of redlinks in the lists above and beyond the 4,000 articles that we already have, as well as some indeterminate number of other films that we may have completely neglected to list anywhere at all. I'm quite certain, in fact, that if somebody really took on a comprehensive project of getting the master list thoroughly compiled, the number of films to be listed in it would be approaching or exceeding 10 thousand.
And I just don't see any real value in List of LGBT-related films by storyline at all: it's also a very incomplete and non-representative selection of films, to which many notable films haven't actually been added at all — and I question whether it's valuable to single out things like "with conversion therapy" and "with tragedy" as noteworthy subgroupings.
Accordingly, my proposals are as follows:
Any input? Bearcat ( talk) 01:04, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
I recently added episode summaries to Butterfly, a drama about a trans girl. The show begins with the character going by the name "Max" and referred to with "he/him" pronouns. From the start of the second episode onwards, the character is referred to as "Maxine" and uses "she/her". The current summaries—and the rest of the article—refers to the character by Maxine and with she/her only. I'd appreciate if someone else could take a look at the episode summaries and see if there are any poorly written bits; in particular, I'm aiming for the descriptions to be as easy as possible to understand for someone with no/little prior knowledge of trans people, which may render phrases like "her penis" confusing. — Bilorv (c) (talk) 01:46, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
--- Another Believer ( Talk) 01:58, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
--- Another Believer ( Talk) 02:16, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
I ain't even trans and this nonsense is getting old. Is there someone around here who's better equipped than I am to deal with the smug, straight, cis dudes who insist on deadnaming a trans woman, and yet don't make a peep about the legal names of people like Cher? 24.138.76.242 ( talk) 03:20, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
Ages and names stated are at time of contestbut I've always taken that to refer to their drag name. The same issue comes up for Stacy Layne Matthews ( Season 3), Kenya Michaels ( Season 4), Monica Beverly Hillz ( Season 5), Gia Gunn ( Season 6). Peppermint ( Season 9) is not dead-named only because she was out as a trans woman before the promotional material for the season. Umimmak ( talk) 22:58, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
--- Another Believer ( Talk) 02:54, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
I'm not really sure where to write this, and while I realize this isn't about articles strictly germane to the LGBT studies Wikiproject I thought people here might have thoughts. Why is it that only LGBT people have statements about their sexual orientation or whether or not they are trans or cis? Is the idea just that the default is straight and cis and that doesn't need to be specified? Or is it because that is the default, there are fewer reliable sources discussing people being straight or cis? This is in particular in reference to an exchange of edits going on at Shawn Mendes (see discussion on Talk:Shawn Mendes). I also think it should be mentioned because there has been so much speculation as to his sexuality, and leaving it un-mentioned might let the reader infer that he has not spoken publicly about his sexual orientation. Like I said, this might not be the most ideal wikiproject to ask these questions, but I figured people here have thought more than others about the implications of whether or not to include someone's sexual orientation in their article. Thanks. Umimmak ( talk) 05:30, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
If a gay man is not notable for being gay (in part or otherwise), or being gay is not relevant to his public life, a case can be made to not mention that he's gay.-- has that ever happened? I can't say I recall someone removing a well-sourced mention of someone being gay because it doesn't come up often or because sources don't discuss its influence on their public life or their work or whatever. Umimmak ( talk) 01:09, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
I have raised this question at Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2018/Candidates#Diversity. Some may wish to chip in. At the moment it's very much nobody cares, and we don't understand why this would be important. -- Fæ ( talk) 17:56, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
I found the discussion entirely hostile and the community there totally unwilling to take on board that heteronormativity exists, and may be an issue of systemic bias for Arbcom. I have closed with
If any openly LGBT+ contributors are thinking of joining Arbcom in the future, take a slow read through the responses there. Thanks -- Fæ ( talk) 12:55, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
Back in February, I started an RFC on Wikidata:WikiProject LGBT about “ What values should we use for sexual orientation?”, but it got very little traction (with only 2 people making comments, 1 here and 1 there). While it seems like a relatively minor thing, there are some things that currently cannot be encoded in Wikidata without breaking data-integrity constraints. That doesn't make too much difference in practice, but it does mean that changes like listing Tanya Saracho ( Tanya Saracho (Q22280306)) as identifying as queer ( queer (Q51415)) is much more likely to be reverted until we find a way that can reach consensus.
If anyone who has any opinion about how to record people's self-identified gender and orientation could contribute there that would be very much appreciated. — OwenBlacker ( talk; please {{ ping}} me in replies) 14:46, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
Opinions are needed at Talk:Rita Ora#Bisexuality. A permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 05:50, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
Hello I created a dreaft about Draft:Same-sex marriage in South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands from information that i can only find from the net Its short i know but its a jurisdiction so i think it deserves it's own like other overseas territories Do u know how and Would u help in any way to make it a page and not just a draft Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by AdamPrideTN ( talk • contribs) 12:06, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
I feel like Wikipedia should cover this subject somewhere in some way (can't find much now). They are independent pretty much in the same way as states, how has this factored into LGBT rights? ★Trekker ( talk) 18:05, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
I'm looking to improve the article Gay–straight alliance, and have raised two issues on the Talk page:
Your opinions and feedback at either or both of the discussions would be welcome, as would your assistance improving the article. Thanks! Mathglot ( talk) 11:21, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
On the medical comedy-drama Trapper John, M.D. (based on a character in MASH (film)), there was an episode with a very young patient with male organs. I have no idea what was wrong with the child, but the discovery was made that "he" was actually female and the doctors recommended the male organs be removed and the child be raised female. The parents objected and wanted to raise the child as a male, because that's what "he" had always been. They were told that would be much more complicated and expensive and harder on the child. I don't even remember what decision was made. I'm wondering if there's a name for the child's situation. For now, I'll call it "Trapper John Syndrome".— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:54, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
A little while ago I added to the lead of Cross-dressing the sentence "It is related to, but not synonymous with, transvestism." This was then reverted, with that editor taking the positive step of improving another article: "Not sourced, and contradicted by sources I added at Transvestism#Terminology." I took the ball and ran with it, as I believe Americans say, using the newly added material to create a terminology section for Cross-dressing. So far so good.
But what I found in reading those sources is that even well over a decade ago, there was an activist academic argument that "The term cross-dressing too is somewhat outdated and problematic". So what terms and links can we use to help the average, non-specialist reader? I think there ought to be prominent prose statements to help them find what they are looking for. By "prose" I mean in the main text, not just info boxes or see also section, and preferably in the lead. Where there's any likelihood of possible confusion, I support crafting a sentence or two to the effect "Topic A used to be known as B, although campaigners now also suggest term C. Topic A is generally taken to be a particular type of D, and overlaps significantly with E." With lovely useful links for all of those letters, of course.
Do Cross-dressing and Transvestism deserve separate articles, or would a merge be sensible? Which term is more searched for? My perception is that people not in the know will assume the two words are quasi-synonymous. How can we make it clear in the leads (of all relevant articles) that they aren't? -- Carbon Caryatid ( talk) 02:14, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
That first statement and ones like it do not negate the fact that cross-dresser is preferred to the term transvestiteand I wonder why you pointed that out to me since I never argued against that. Especially when the info I dug up absolutely supported the idea that transvestite should not be used in general for crossdressers? Did I seem like I was arguing for replacing crossdresser with transvestite in my text? Because that was certainly not my intention to come off like that. ★Trekker ( talk) 13:25, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
I never stated that transvestite should be used in general for cross-dresser.And I never claimed that you did, as a matter of fact I'm confused to how one would think that based on what I've written. What I said is that I felt that you seemed to be implying that I was saying that when you pointed out the "cross-dresser > transvestite terminology" thing to me, which I was already well aware of (I'm sure any english speaker with a finger in the LGBT world would know transvestite could be seen as ugly to use). I was never interested to talk about the general terminology for cross-dressers and it was not something I brought up in my text. I only ever wanted to state that transvestism could be specified to be a specific form of cross-dressing, which it is, not if one word should be used for all people who cross-dress. ★Trekker ( talk) 14:17, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
I'm working through wikidata records for people, to try to ensure they have a P21 Gender code. I'm regularly defeated by drag queens, bless 'em, for the reason that their wikipedia articles tend to include a mix of he & she pronouns, and I would not wish to cause offense. Wikidata suports a wide range of genders, including various trans and non-binary, so it should be possible to do the job properly. Should anyone here have more knowledge & confidence in this matter than I, here are a couple of candidates for coding; I'm sure more will follow. thanks -- Tagishsimon ( talk) 15:52, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lesbian utopia. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 00:46, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
I started the discussion at Talk:Jim Rash#Instagram post a while ago; I invite you for some input. -- George Ho ( talk) 00:12, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gayish (podcast) --- Another Believer ( Talk) 22:39, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
LGBT, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. AIRcorn (talk) 21:36, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
There is a discussion on the reliability of Hornet Stories and Unicorn Booty (unicornbooty.com; defunct) on the reliable sources noticeboard. If you are interested, please participate at WP:RSN § Hornet Stories (hornet.com/stories) and Unicorn Booty (unicornbooty.com) — Newslinger talk 02:57, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at
Talk:RuPaul's Drag Race#RfC on names of transgender contestants.
Nihlus
21:22, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
Here is the situation:
This entire situation is going to require multiple discussions to set policy over the years. It might not be time to plan to tackle this now, but as one part of this, I started drafting out WP:Identity verification. I want to develop this into an information page on how the Wikipedia community checks the identity of Wikimedia users or other people who contact us.
One use case of this could be in providing a process by means of which individuals could contact us for a gender change in a Wikipedia article about them.
My opinion is that we do not have the security infrastructure to check people's private identification nor do we have the training in place to encourage any Wikimedian to do this consistently or fairly. Someday we might. For now, I am only documenting what already seems to happen in the space of identification checks.
See here - Wikipedia:Identity verification
If anyone wants to contribute information about Wikipedia's current identification process then please share any thoughts.
Thanks. Blue Rasberry (talk) 22:15, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
See article history. 2600:1003:B11B:35C7:0:26:D0C8:1101 ( talk) 14:35, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
Martina Navratilova has been sacked from the advisory board of Athlete Ally due to "[her] recent comments on trans athletes are transphobic, based on a false understanding of science and data, and perpetuate dangerous myths that lead to the ongoing targeting of trans people through discriminatory laws, hateful stereotypes and disproportionate violence." I have added a sentence to Martina_Navratilova#Activism_and_opinions but kept it brief. As this is an evolving and controversial press story, I would appreciate more eyes to ensure that this is maintained and kept fully accurate.
I am aware that an instant response would be to remove "transphobic" (mainly because Navratilova states she is not a transphobe), but this is exactly what the reliable sources support, and what Navratilova's own published statements make unambiguous. The press release by Athlete Ally seems an accurate summary. -- Fæ ( talk) 10:10, 20 February 2019 (UTC)