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Lesbian has been completely rewritten and is now looking for peer review. All help appreciated. -- Banjeboi 10:07, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Tangent introduced by Moni3: I appreciate the reminder, which is now the third placed in WP:LGBT about a peer review for the overhaul of a core article. I'm going to risk opening a can of worms here with the hope that it will move us in a different direction. I guess nothing has illustrated that we are a group of individuals working on our own things than this rewrite I did of Lesbian. I asked on the talk page of the article, here at WP:LGBT, on a lesbian chat board I was a member of, I asked a university women's studies professor, and various people what I should read, where I should look, and on what topics I should concentrate on. Most of them said something like "Dude, I have no idea, but good luck with that." The least encouraging comment I got was from WP:LGBT.
After the rewrite was posted, I got even less feedback.
I am one lesbo who has a specific set of experiences to color what it means to be called a lesbian, to claim the identity, and participate in the behavior. Although I read all the bidnezz associated with the article, I still decided what to include, what was important, and what was not. The structure of the article is my idea. Should I be the only one making these decisions? Good gracious: 5,000 people a day read this article: more than Gay and Homosexuality. This article is defining and explaining issues relating to lesbians for all of the English-speaking world.
It's not my intention to guilt members into giving a peer review. I figure if they wanted to do it, it would already have been done. God knows I can't be dragged to do the things I don't feel like doing. Two days after the rewrite was posted, comments were up at Talk:Gay about how that article needs to be rewritten like the Lesbian article.
I find group interactions and social patterns fascinating. I watch a lot more of what goes on at Wikipedia than I participate, and I realize that this group is no different than any other volunteer organization. But I guess we need to make a decision as a group if we're going to be working towards becoming a cohesive entity that works for the same goal, or if we're happy doing this, just working on our individual projects, and coming here to make random announcements. I don't know what needs to be done to gather folks together and have them move as one. I admit my own disconnect: it should be done if we're going to be more productive, but I don't know how to do it.
So how about using this as an opportunity to discuss where we're going and how we're getting there? And if anyone wants to participate in the peer review, by all means go nuts. -- Moni3 ( talk) 14:00, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Actually I have no idea how to get involved in a peer review. or I would. But I agree about a wikiproject spark plug being needed. That is something any organization needs and without one, it doesn't tend to grow and thrive. — Becksguy ( talk) 16:48, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
I think part of the issue is just the natural wzx and wane cycle of any group. However, I think you are correct, Moni, that we function more as a collective of individuals than a cohesive whole. Someone (I forget who) posted about choosing a CotM for March, because a new one had never been chosen for February. IIRC, the last one chosen was actually not for January 2009, but for January 2008! Of course, I have yet to head over to the chosen CotM for this month. I should do that, as I think we could do more if we pull together. Aleta Sing 17:07, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
I know we are all special, but i don't think that has a big effect on the lack of cohesion of the project. My FT and 5 featured lists were essentially ignored even after multiple posts here and at members talk pages, but, they were equally ignored by the SF-project, and comics-project and members, even by editors who had been editing the pages in the past. These are all big projects, with lots of members, but little organisation.
I commented (minorly) on the Lesbian GA, talk page and peer review, but very few people seemed to have followed the collaboration of the month link - most were responding to the GA or had worked with Moni before. If we want the project to be more effective, like MilHist, then i think we would need to go the way of more organisation and giving people responsibilities :-O. I know Moni has done the newsletter in the past, and Outsider works on the portal, and i try to review all the requests for assessment - but these were all jobs taken up independantly, yes? Making a list of job areas and people who can be considered the first contacts on areas would help, imo. MilHist even has election for coordinators, which i think is too much for here, but a semi official list of responsibilities would be useful (as long as responsibilites move when editors become unactive). I see we already have a list of jobs, but the coordinaotrs are either inactive altogether, or not very active in the project space. Time to reassign things? Yob Mod 07:51, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Didn't see a better place to put this, so sorry if it is mis-placed.... if the new coordinators (or co-coordinators) idea moves forward, will they be limited to coordinating certain areas? (i.e. 1 coordinator for the Newsletter, 1 coordinator for community activities (welcoming new members, community dept, etc), etc.) Even the best of people can let positions get to their head sometimes, and this would be one way to help guard against that (by each co- having their own defined area). Also, how exactly would having a "whip" help things? I could go on a tagging-spree (i'm not) and within 2 weeks, WolterBot would be proclaiming my edicts to my fellow man, as tasks to be done... (making me the "whip"). Not sure unpaid workers will exactly line up to be whipped around ( insert visual puns in your own mind here :-D ) Outsider80 ( talk) 01:41, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
It seems in this discussion that we have a lot of new members joining in who are unaware that there is a Co-ordinator of this WikiProject, and that Co-ordinator is me (by default now, really, we were going to hold re-elections and then decided it was hassle). I got elected years back in recognition of service to WP:LGBT, and technically I am supposed to be keeping everything ticking over just as whoever above suggested we establish co-ordinators to do. However, because my time on Wikipedia dropped like a stone when I left Chelmsford, I stopped being the great co-ordinator that I was (no arrogance there, no, not at all :P) and at that point all the infrastructure I built, like CotM, Jumpaclass, Newsletters etc. just sort of got abandoned (I am delighted the newsletter is back).
And that, I think is the problem. Because while I was setting Collaborations every month, actual changes made to the pages after a month was minimal and mainly restricted to cosmetic editing. I constantly struggled to get anyone to peer review stuff, not just here but even at WP:PR - I ended up submitting articles straight to WP:FAC because they got a more thorough lookthrough. All the stuff we had was maintained by me, but virtually no-one used it. Whether you have co-ordinators or not you need a critical mass of users to actually use the infrastructures you build otherwise it's irrelevant. And if you have a critical mass of users to maintain it, then you don't need co-ordinators. Co-ordinators are there as an appointed person to make sure that the maintenence gets done, not to act as any kind of visionary or whatever. But if you don't have a system that's being used regularly to even need maintenence, suddenly it's just a nice title to carry around. We need people to *use* what we've got, or to work out what tools people want to edit and provide it, otherwise we're editing to look busy, which doesn't help our core aims.
Regarding why milhist gets tons of feedback and articles like Lesbian don't, I suspect is comes down to remit and style. Military history tend sto attract those kind of editors that do take a regimented, planned, structured approach to articles. We're, by contrast, are a bunch of gays - it doesn't quite work like that. :P Military history is clearly defined and many people specialise in specific periods, like WW1, Tanks, whatever. LGBT is made up of several disparate groups of L,G, B, and T, and many of the editors working in those four areas aren't interested in, or don't judge themselves capable of, providing support to editors in other areas. We also have the massive disadvantage that we cover all LGBT people, very few of whom have anything in common with each other than who they sleep with, which makes it more difficult for editors working on those articles to see themselves as working together towards a common aim of good LGBT coverage.
So, I would say that trying to compare ourselves to other projects that are fundamentally different can be a useful spur, but it's not something to beat ourselves up about. And that our major problem right now, which has been our major problem for years but seems to be getting slightly worse, is encouraging interest in all aspects of the project, rather than leadership. Get more people in, and others will naturally take control (which, you may have noticed, is exactly what has happened in terms of the main contributors to this wikiproject - it used to be me, SatyrTN and Jeff, and now the torch has passed on to other worthy souls. :D). Dev920, who misses Jeffpw. 15:39, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
I think these two articles should be merged and moved to Recognition of same-sex unions in Oregon. They cover very similar and closely related topics, and I've noticed that this is the convention for articles like these for other states, like Vermont. This WikiProject has rated these two Oregon articles Stub and Start class, respectively, and I think merging them would mutually improve their quality. Thoughts? — Athelwulf [T]/ [C] 23:24, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
Outdent. If you could start a new thread regarding the timeline articles and cite which template I'd be happy to look at it. -- Banjeboi 11:12, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
{{ Same-sex unions in the United States}} gives a reasonable overview:
Appears to be a new article, but my eyebrows are lifted right off the top of my face when reading it. I think it needs some help. The connections to gay cowboys of the Old West are dubious and appear to be WP:SYNTH unless he has a source (and I wanna read it if he does) to say that one begets the other. I know guys danced with each other and no doubt in an all male environment some Brokeback action happened, but I do not get the impression that there was a subculture of openly gay cowboys and they created the need for a gay rodeo. 100+ years between the Old West and the inception of the idea of a gay rodeo causes more skepticism.
This may be a candidate for deletion unless it can be cleaned up. -- Moni3 ( talk) 22:35, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
If an admin is watching this page, could you please urgently protect the page Peter Wherrett and delete all revisions newer than [1]. This is a very sensitive WP:BLP issue. -- AliceJMarkham ( talk) 23:05, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Ahh Alice, since you've brought this article to my attention.. why is it even tagged LGBT Project? He was a straight cross-dresser. I'm assuming it was because he cross dresses but is that really within our scope? It's certainly not a gay only thing and it says in the article he's heterosexual. - ✰ ALLST☆R✰ echo 04:34, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Just as an aside, if you need fast admin action, you'd be far better starting at WP:ANI as loads of admins watch that page, rather than the few that may watch this one. -- Ged UK 15:15, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Alice, I apologize for disappointing you or hurting your feelings. But you must realize that not all gay people agree with the notion that every letter of the alphabet somehow belongs in the gay community. The fact that he was heterosexual, to me anyway, totally makes his gay card null and void and his membership dues returned. Cross dressing isn't a sexual orientation nor is it anything like transgender - unless I'm missing something.. did he really want to be a woman, as in genitalia and all? Then yes, he'd be transgender and should be included. I mean, my god, the man was straight.. but because he liked to wear a dress, he's automatically "one of ours"? I just don't agree with that. - ✰ ALLST☆R✰ echo 04:51, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
I am not a member of this WikiProject, but I wanted to call your attention to a page I have created that might belong in this WP: the White Knot campaign. Right now, the page is a stub, and I don't intend to put much more work into it, so I thought someone from this WP might like to take on the task of expanding it. Thank you. Jrsightes ( talk) 01:32, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
I just added our project tag to this article because I just learned that they wrote the charter amendment to overturn the sexual orientation protection passed by the Gainesville, Florida city council, which incidentally, was voted down last night, so yay. However, I have a feeling this one is going to be a battle to keep on the page.
They ran this awesome commercial for about a year because Florida did not get enough moral panic in 1977. They even used "Protect our Children" because they are so innovative. -- Moni3 ( talk) 16:16, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Anyone with some time to copyedit check out this article, i'm putting it up for GAN today, so any errors fixed while it is waiting for a reviwer would be of great help. Thanks Yob Mod 09:47, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Ah, if anyone prefers to do the review rather than editing, it would be great to not have to wait a month :-). Yob Mod 10:54, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Should we tag this horrible man? Zigzig20s ( talk) 12:10, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Done
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Does anyone know how to prevent the formatting problems certain templates create as in LGBT rights in the Dominican Republic? See the big white space where everything is pushed down below the level of the template? Is there anyway we can force it not to do that? Aleta Sing 00:47, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
OK, bit of a tricky one this. There were three ships which bore the name SS Lesbian (named after the inhabitants of Lesbos, Greece). Over at WP:SHIPS we've created articles on two of them. The two created articles SS Lesbian (1915) and SS Lesbian (1923) have been nominated for an April Fools Day DYK, with the third under construction (it may not be long enough for DYK). It has been mentioned that this WP might not approve of any of the suggested hooks. If any members of this WP wish to suggest alternate hooks we would be happy for them to do so. Alternatively, support from this WP for any of the suggested hooks would be welcome. Mjroots ( talk) 17:14, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Voting is currently taking place on which hook to use.
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08:50, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Hey guys - the Israeli government arranged with some of the big nightclubs to give me some excellent access to photograph Tel Aviv gay nightlife - I really bar hopped! Thankfully I had some good guides. I leave back to New York tonight and the hotel Internet is super slow. This one photo example took an hour to upload! But to give an example of some the types of gay nightclub shots I'll have. --David Shankbone 13:41, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Greetings - going through the rollercoaster of adding a wiki entry for The Gay Marriage Thing. A note is coming up that says it is a candidate for the LGBT Wiki project, and I'm just trying to find out what I need to do to have it linked or listed as a resource etc. Specifically, the film covers the same sex marriage debate in 2004 at the height of the heated debates and protests in Massachusetts. It is being used as an educational tool in schools and churches throughout the U.S.. I am definitely new to tricky Wiki so, please feel free to link to this entry or list it wherever appropriate. I have tried multiple times to list it as a Documentary resource in the Documentary and Literature section of the Same Sex Marriage wiki entry but someone keeps removing it and I cannot figure out why, as it is a legitimate resource absolutely and directly related to that topic.
Millies ( talk) 20:08, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
I don't know the process for going about requesting a topic ban for a user but this user has a definite agenda against gay rights content on Wikipedia. Feel free to add many of the articles to your watchlist. This edit has to be the most obvious, making sure there's a new "health" section in Homosexuality that points out all the bad nasties you can get from having gay sex. - ✰ ALLST☆R✰ echo 03:13, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Note that an ANI incident report was made on this user: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Agenda/POV pushing re: User:Ejnogarb. — Becksguy ( talk) 06:50, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
I agree with Benji. Special:Contributions/Ejnogarb has made 217 mainspace edits, and not all of them relate to gay issues. Based on a rather rough count, about 46% of those article edits are related in some way to LGBT issues. And I agreed with him on one such edit [2] and said so on the talk page. — Becksguy ( talk) 09:51, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
I want to say Offer Nissim is trans - I just don't know how yet until I research. And I have a lot of photo work to do. Great DJ - this was one of those huge 1,000 person clubs. Photos of the men and women that night over at my Flickr. I have to figure out which articles these would be cool for, such as Nightclub or Gay life or whatever. --David Shankbone 22:44, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Could you make maps over recognition of same-sex unions in North America and South America similar this map? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Same_sex_marriage_map_Europe_detailed.svg Ron 1987 ( talk) 20:43, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
I just deleted Badpuppy since it was a promotional piece written by the guy who owns badpuppy.com, but I told him I would look around and see if I could find any articles that might want to either describe online gay porn sites in general or list some; internet pornography doesn't seem to go that route. Anyone, um, receptive? - Dan Dank55 ( push to talk) 18:23, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
An anonymous user recently added the template for your WikiProject to Talk:James Buchanan. See James Buchanan#Personal relationships and previous discussions on the talk page for information on the "questions" about his sexuality. As William R. King's talk page lacks the template, I decided to get a second opinion: Do unconfirmed rumors that someone might have been gay fall into the category of "all LGBT-related issues on Wikipedia"? Thanks. Recognizance ( talk) 17:19, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
See Talk:Promiscuity#Gay Promiscuity. 2 of our more conservative editors (CENSEI and Ejnogarb) are hell-bent on removing the following content:
It originally was:
I removed the content dealing with the 1978 study (a 31 year old study is hardly relevant to today) as well as the content about the diseases and blood bans because they are irrelevant to the topic of the article. This left only the content about the 2007 study showing similar numbers of promiscuity between gay and straight people. So now these 2 editors want it gone altogether. I've reverted their deletion, as has other editors. I think it's time to weigh in on a consensus discussion so we can put this issue to rest. - ✰ ALLST☆R✰ echo 20:11, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
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Lesbian has been completely rewritten and is now looking for peer review. All help appreciated. -- Banjeboi 10:07, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Tangent introduced by Moni3: I appreciate the reminder, which is now the third placed in WP:LGBT about a peer review for the overhaul of a core article. I'm going to risk opening a can of worms here with the hope that it will move us in a different direction. I guess nothing has illustrated that we are a group of individuals working on our own things than this rewrite I did of Lesbian. I asked on the talk page of the article, here at WP:LGBT, on a lesbian chat board I was a member of, I asked a university women's studies professor, and various people what I should read, where I should look, and on what topics I should concentrate on. Most of them said something like "Dude, I have no idea, but good luck with that." The least encouraging comment I got was from WP:LGBT.
After the rewrite was posted, I got even less feedback.
I am one lesbo who has a specific set of experiences to color what it means to be called a lesbian, to claim the identity, and participate in the behavior. Although I read all the bidnezz associated with the article, I still decided what to include, what was important, and what was not. The structure of the article is my idea. Should I be the only one making these decisions? Good gracious: 5,000 people a day read this article: more than Gay and Homosexuality. This article is defining and explaining issues relating to lesbians for all of the English-speaking world.
It's not my intention to guilt members into giving a peer review. I figure if they wanted to do it, it would already have been done. God knows I can't be dragged to do the things I don't feel like doing. Two days after the rewrite was posted, comments were up at Talk:Gay about how that article needs to be rewritten like the Lesbian article.
I find group interactions and social patterns fascinating. I watch a lot more of what goes on at Wikipedia than I participate, and I realize that this group is no different than any other volunteer organization. But I guess we need to make a decision as a group if we're going to be working towards becoming a cohesive entity that works for the same goal, or if we're happy doing this, just working on our individual projects, and coming here to make random announcements. I don't know what needs to be done to gather folks together and have them move as one. I admit my own disconnect: it should be done if we're going to be more productive, but I don't know how to do it.
So how about using this as an opportunity to discuss where we're going and how we're getting there? And if anyone wants to participate in the peer review, by all means go nuts. -- Moni3 ( talk) 14:00, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Actually I have no idea how to get involved in a peer review. or I would. But I agree about a wikiproject spark plug being needed. That is something any organization needs and without one, it doesn't tend to grow and thrive. — Becksguy ( talk) 16:48, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
I think part of the issue is just the natural wzx and wane cycle of any group. However, I think you are correct, Moni, that we function more as a collective of individuals than a cohesive whole. Someone (I forget who) posted about choosing a CotM for March, because a new one had never been chosen for February. IIRC, the last one chosen was actually not for January 2009, but for January 2008! Of course, I have yet to head over to the chosen CotM for this month. I should do that, as I think we could do more if we pull together. Aleta Sing 17:07, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
I know we are all special, but i don't think that has a big effect on the lack of cohesion of the project. My FT and 5 featured lists were essentially ignored even after multiple posts here and at members talk pages, but, they were equally ignored by the SF-project, and comics-project and members, even by editors who had been editing the pages in the past. These are all big projects, with lots of members, but little organisation.
I commented (minorly) on the Lesbian GA, talk page and peer review, but very few people seemed to have followed the collaboration of the month link - most were responding to the GA or had worked with Moni before. If we want the project to be more effective, like MilHist, then i think we would need to go the way of more organisation and giving people responsibilities :-O. I know Moni has done the newsletter in the past, and Outsider works on the portal, and i try to review all the requests for assessment - but these were all jobs taken up independantly, yes? Making a list of job areas and people who can be considered the first contacts on areas would help, imo. MilHist even has election for coordinators, which i think is too much for here, but a semi official list of responsibilities would be useful (as long as responsibilites move when editors become unactive). I see we already have a list of jobs, but the coordinaotrs are either inactive altogether, or not very active in the project space. Time to reassign things? Yob Mod 07:51, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Didn't see a better place to put this, so sorry if it is mis-placed.... if the new coordinators (or co-coordinators) idea moves forward, will they be limited to coordinating certain areas? (i.e. 1 coordinator for the Newsletter, 1 coordinator for community activities (welcoming new members, community dept, etc), etc.) Even the best of people can let positions get to their head sometimes, and this would be one way to help guard against that (by each co- having their own defined area). Also, how exactly would having a "whip" help things? I could go on a tagging-spree (i'm not) and within 2 weeks, WolterBot would be proclaiming my edicts to my fellow man, as tasks to be done... (making me the "whip"). Not sure unpaid workers will exactly line up to be whipped around ( insert visual puns in your own mind here :-D ) Outsider80 ( talk) 01:41, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
It seems in this discussion that we have a lot of new members joining in who are unaware that there is a Co-ordinator of this WikiProject, and that Co-ordinator is me (by default now, really, we were going to hold re-elections and then decided it was hassle). I got elected years back in recognition of service to WP:LGBT, and technically I am supposed to be keeping everything ticking over just as whoever above suggested we establish co-ordinators to do. However, because my time on Wikipedia dropped like a stone when I left Chelmsford, I stopped being the great co-ordinator that I was (no arrogance there, no, not at all :P) and at that point all the infrastructure I built, like CotM, Jumpaclass, Newsletters etc. just sort of got abandoned (I am delighted the newsletter is back).
And that, I think is the problem. Because while I was setting Collaborations every month, actual changes made to the pages after a month was minimal and mainly restricted to cosmetic editing. I constantly struggled to get anyone to peer review stuff, not just here but even at WP:PR - I ended up submitting articles straight to WP:FAC because they got a more thorough lookthrough. All the stuff we had was maintained by me, but virtually no-one used it. Whether you have co-ordinators or not you need a critical mass of users to actually use the infrastructures you build otherwise it's irrelevant. And if you have a critical mass of users to maintain it, then you don't need co-ordinators. Co-ordinators are there as an appointed person to make sure that the maintenence gets done, not to act as any kind of visionary or whatever. But if you don't have a system that's being used regularly to even need maintenence, suddenly it's just a nice title to carry around. We need people to *use* what we've got, or to work out what tools people want to edit and provide it, otherwise we're editing to look busy, which doesn't help our core aims.
Regarding why milhist gets tons of feedback and articles like Lesbian don't, I suspect is comes down to remit and style. Military history tend sto attract those kind of editors that do take a regimented, planned, structured approach to articles. We're, by contrast, are a bunch of gays - it doesn't quite work like that. :P Military history is clearly defined and many people specialise in specific periods, like WW1, Tanks, whatever. LGBT is made up of several disparate groups of L,G, B, and T, and many of the editors working in those four areas aren't interested in, or don't judge themselves capable of, providing support to editors in other areas. We also have the massive disadvantage that we cover all LGBT people, very few of whom have anything in common with each other than who they sleep with, which makes it more difficult for editors working on those articles to see themselves as working together towards a common aim of good LGBT coverage.
So, I would say that trying to compare ourselves to other projects that are fundamentally different can be a useful spur, but it's not something to beat ourselves up about. And that our major problem right now, which has been our major problem for years but seems to be getting slightly worse, is encouraging interest in all aspects of the project, rather than leadership. Get more people in, and others will naturally take control (which, you may have noticed, is exactly what has happened in terms of the main contributors to this wikiproject - it used to be me, SatyrTN and Jeff, and now the torch has passed on to other worthy souls. :D). Dev920, who misses Jeffpw. 15:39, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
I think these two articles should be merged and moved to Recognition of same-sex unions in Oregon. They cover very similar and closely related topics, and I've noticed that this is the convention for articles like these for other states, like Vermont. This WikiProject has rated these two Oregon articles Stub and Start class, respectively, and I think merging them would mutually improve their quality. Thoughts? — Athelwulf [T]/ [C] 23:24, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
Outdent. If you could start a new thread regarding the timeline articles and cite which template I'd be happy to look at it. -- Banjeboi 11:12, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
{{ Same-sex unions in the United States}} gives a reasonable overview:
Appears to be a new article, but my eyebrows are lifted right off the top of my face when reading it. I think it needs some help. The connections to gay cowboys of the Old West are dubious and appear to be WP:SYNTH unless he has a source (and I wanna read it if he does) to say that one begets the other. I know guys danced with each other and no doubt in an all male environment some Brokeback action happened, but I do not get the impression that there was a subculture of openly gay cowboys and they created the need for a gay rodeo. 100+ years between the Old West and the inception of the idea of a gay rodeo causes more skepticism.
This may be a candidate for deletion unless it can be cleaned up. -- Moni3 ( talk) 22:35, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
If an admin is watching this page, could you please urgently protect the page Peter Wherrett and delete all revisions newer than [1]. This is a very sensitive WP:BLP issue. -- AliceJMarkham ( talk) 23:05, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Ahh Alice, since you've brought this article to my attention.. why is it even tagged LGBT Project? He was a straight cross-dresser. I'm assuming it was because he cross dresses but is that really within our scope? It's certainly not a gay only thing and it says in the article he's heterosexual. - ✰ ALLST☆R✰ echo 04:34, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Just as an aside, if you need fast admin action, you'd be far better starting at WP:ANI as loads of admins watch that page, rather than the few that may watch this one. -- Ged UK 15:15, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Alice, I apologize for disappointing you or hurting your feelings. But you must realize that not all gay people agree with the notion that every letter of the alphabet somehow belongs in the gay community. The fact that he was heterosexual, to me anyway, totally makes his gay card null and void and his membership dues returned. Cross dressing isn't a sexual orientation nor is it anything like transgender - unless I'm missing something.. did he really want to be a woman, as in genitalia and all? Then yes, he'd be transgender and should be included. I mean, my god, the man was straight.. but because he liked to wear a dress, he's automatically "one of ours"? I just don't agree with that. - ✰ ALLST☆R✰ echo 04:51, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
I am not a member of this WikiProject, but I wanted to call your attention to a page I have created that might belong in this WP: the White Knot campaign. Right now, the page is a stub, and I don't intend to put much more work into it, so I thought someone from this WP might like to take on the task of expanding it. Thank you. Jrsightes ( talk) 01:32, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
I just added our project tag to this article because I just learned that they wrote the charter amendment to overturn the sexual orientation protection passed by the Gainesville, Florida city council, which incidentally, was voted down last night, so yay. However, I have a feeling this one is going to be a battle to keep on the page.
They ran this awesome commercial for about a year because Florida did not get enough moral panic in 1977. They even used "Protect our Children" because they are so innovative. -- Moni3 ( talk) 16:16, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Anyone with some time to copyedit check out this article, i'm putting it up for GAN today, so any errors fixed while it is waiting for a reviwer would be of great help. Thanks Yob Mod 09:47, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Ah, if anyone prefers to do the review rather than editing, it would be great to not have to wait a month :-). Yob Mod 10:54, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Should we tag this horrible man? Zigzig20s ( talk) 12:10, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Done
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Does anyone know how to prevent the formatting problems certain templates create as in LGBT rights in the Dominican Republic? See the big white space where everything is pushed down below the level of the template? Is there anyway we can force it not to do that? Aleta Sing 00:47, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
OK, bit of a tricky one this. There were three ships which bore the name SS Lesbian (named after the inhabitants of Lesbos, Greece). Over at WP:SHIPS we've created articles on two of them. The two created articles SS Lesbian (1915) and SS Lesbian (1923) have been nominated for an April Fools Day DYK, with the third under construction (it may not be long enough for DYK). It has been mentioned that this WP might not approve of any of the suggested hooks. If any members of this WP wish to suggest alternate hooks we would be happy for them to do so. Alternatively, support from this WP for any of the suggested hooks would be welcome. Mjroots ( talk) 17:14, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Voting is currently taking place on which hook to use.
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Hey guys - the Israeli government arranged with some of the big nightclubs to give me some excellent access to photograph Tel Aviv gay nightlife - I really bar hopped! Thankfully I had some good guides. I leave back to New York tonight and the hotel Internet is super slow. This one photo example took an hour to upload! But to give an example of some the types of gay nightclub shots I'll have. --David Shankbone 13:41, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Greetings - going through the rollercoaster of adding a wiki entry for The Gay Marriage Thing. A note is coming up that says it is a candidate for the LGBT Wiki project, and I'm just trying to find out what I need to do to have it linked or listed as a resource etc. Specifically, the film covers the same sex marriage debate in 2004 at the height of the heated debates and protests in Massachusetts. It is being used as an educational tool in schools and churches throughout the U.S.. I am definitely new to tricky Wiki so, please feel free to link to this entry or list it wherever appropriate. I have tried multiple times to list it as a Documentary resource in the Documentary and Literature section of the Same Sex Marriage wiki entry but someone keeps removing it and I cannot figure out why, as it is a legitimate resource absolutely and directly related to that topic.
Millies ( talk) 20:08, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
I don't know the process for going about requesting a topic ban for a user but this user has a definite agenda against gay rights content on Wikipedia. Feel free to add many of the articles to your watchlist. This edit has to be the most obvious, making sure there's a new "health" section in Homosexuality that points out all the bad nasties you can get from having gay sex. - ✰ ALLST☆R✰ echo 03:13, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Note that an ANI incident report was made on this user: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Agenda/POV pushing re: User:Ejnogarb. — Becksguy ( talk) 06:50, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
I agree with Benji. Special:Contributions/Ejnogarb has made 217 mainspace edits, and not all of them relate to gay issues. Based on a rather rough count, about 46% of those article edits are related in some way to LGBT issues. And I agreed with him on one such edit [2] and said so on the talk page. — Becksguy ( talk) 09:51, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
I want to say Offer Nissim is trans - I just don't know how yet until I research. And I have a lot of photo work to do. Great DJ - this was one of those huge 1,000 person clubs. Photos of the men and women that night over at my Flickr. I have to figure out which articles these would be cool for, such as Nightclub or Gay life or whatever. --David Shankbone 22:44, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Could you make maps over recognition of same-sex unions in North America and South America similar this map? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Same_sex_marriage_map_Europe_detailed.svg Ron 1987 ( talk) 20:43, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
I just deleted Badpuppy since it was a promotional piece written by the guy who owns badpuppy.com, but I told him I would look around and see if I could find any articles that might want to either describe online gay porn sites in general or list some; internet pornography doesn't seem to go that route. Anyone, um, receptive? - Dan Dank55 ( push to talk) 18:23, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
An anonymous user recently added the template for your WikiProject to Talk:James Buchanan. See James Buchanan#Personal relationships and previous discussions on the talk page for information on the "questions" about his sexuality. As William R. King's talk page lacks the template, I decided to get a second opinion: Do unconfirmed rumors that someone might have been gay fall into the category of "all LGBT-related issues on Wikipedia"? Thanks. Recognizance ( talk) 17:19, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
See Talk:Promiscuity#Gay Promiscuity. 2 of our more conservative editors (CENSEI and Ejnogarb) are hell-bent on removing the following content:
It originally was:
I removed the content dealing with the 1978 study (a 31 year old study is hardly relevant to today) as well as the content about the diseases and blood bans because they are irrelevant to the topic of the article. This left only the content about the 2007 study showing similar numbers of promiscuity between gay and straight people. So now these 2 editors want it gone altogether. I've reverted their deletion, as has other editors. I think it's time to weigh in on a consensus discussion so we can put this issue to rest. - ✰ ALLST☆R✰ echo 20:11, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
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