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Still hoping for input on this query. Anyone? Otto4711 ( talk) 22:35, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
This has been up at featured list candidates for coming up to a week, and is maybe floundering for lack of reviews. Assuming i convince the 2 reviewers so far, it would still need more to be able to pass. It has a minimum of 10 days for reviewing (so 3 more), but extentions to the time require that it is being improved, any i've done all the improving i can find to do. I'm not expecting automatic supports, just any comments at all would be great. It's the last in a planned Featured topic, so would hopefully get a big jump in visibility if it passes (and be the first LGBT FT, AFAIK).
Also, has anyone ever been to a Gaylaxicon? I'm starting to work it and Gaylactic Network up to GA, but anyone with any knowledge about either might notice things that i'm missing (unfortunately i'm on a wrong continent for first-hand experience), or even anyone with no knowledge that is interested in collaborating. Any newbies that want some GA/FL experience? Experienced editors to show me what i'm doing wrong? Anybody..? Yobmod ( talk) 09:33, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi,
Members of WP:Anime want to discuss on whatever Erika's Friedman manga & anime reviews are RS. The discussion is here Talk:Yuri_(genre)#Erika_Friedman_RS_Redux. Thanks. -- KrebMarkt 18:33, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
I've just finished this novel. It got the 2006 Lambda Literary Awards for Gay Men's Debut Fiction and Gay Men's Fiction. Is anyone else interested in writing a draft? He probably deserves his own page; he also wrote plays directed by Marc Wolf apparently. Zigzig20s ( talk) 20:50, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
While mooching with the LGBT fiction template i made, i noticed that this List of LGBT writers exists, and is completely unsourced. Are there other occupation lists like this? Doesn't the general list of LGBT people cover occupation? Culling this to what could be sourced would seem redundant to other lists and a lot of work. I thought it best to invite comments here before adding a merge template or posting to the BLP violations board. Yobmod ( talk) 09:49, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
The categories
are all up for discussion at this CfD. -- SatyrTN ( talk / contribs) 22:12, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
This is quite an astounding story. I included it on Transsexual because it is quite a first, though some might say a dubious one. From the sounds of it, Ugo Gabriele might be a cross-dresser; however, keeping with our policies such as WP:RS, we have to go on media reports, which have branded Gabriele aka "Kitty" as Trans. Somewhere in our sexuality pages this belongs. Can other eyes weigh in? --David Shankbone 17:02, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
I recently blogged about the "bisexuality" bizarreness and shenanigans going on with Alisa Valdes-Rodriguez denying her history and making things up on her Wikipedia biography. The blog post has led to some very good press for us about our diligence, policies and guidelines. --David Shankbone 04:53, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Please help deorphan this. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) ( talk) 05:24, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi again -
I've been sifting through some of Category:LGBT stubs (as have some of you - thank you), and I noticed several stubs which should not normally have been placed in the category. It may be that the way the category is used for stub-sorting purposes is a little different to how some other editors - including probably some of your project - are using it. Specifically, bio-stubs shouldn't be added to the category simply because they are about LGBT people. Let's face it, if every bio-stub about LGBT people was added to the category that'd be - what, 6-8% of the 100,000 bio-stubs we have on Wikipedia? It would completely swamp the category with people who, though LGBT, have had little impact on LGBT culture. To that end, I've added a note at the top of the category - feel free to amend it, but if possible please try to keep the spirit of it intact! Cheers, Grutness... wha? 23:50, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Basically, a person should only be given a specific type of bio-stub if they made a significant impact to a specific field (the exception being nationality types). While sexual orientation is, of course, very important to the individuals concerned, often a person can be, say, lesbian without it actually having a great impact on LGBT culture or history overall. An fairly crude analogy might be someone like Keanu Reeves being famous as an actor but also widely known for his musical sideprojects. If there was a stub article on him, he would get US-actor-stub but would only get US-musician-stub as well if his band was prominent. As I said in a recent WP:SFD discussion, it makes sense if a stub on someone like Brenda Howard was given an LGBT-stub, but far less so if someone like Brian Epstein was. In my stub sorting, for instance, I've removed the LGBT-stub from Rupert Charles Barneby and Lisa A. Barnett, but left it on S. E. Cottam and Kenneth Zeller. Given how many LGBT people there are, if biographical articles were given LGBT-stub (or LGBT-bio-stub), you'd end up with a category that was too large to use easily that was filled with articles many of which have only tangential connection to LGBT issues and culture. As for LGBT-bio-stub, it hasn't been deleted, though it's not currently in much use. The outcome of the SFD debate was that it could be used but should be appropriately worded and scoped so as to ensure that it is used in pretty much the way I've outlined above. For some reason it looks as though no-one's got round to rewording it (to be honest, I'm not sure how it could be easily reworded to cover the type of stubs I've mentioned). (Thanks to Aleta to alerting me to the follow-up questions) Grutness... wha? 23:39, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Things to do?
1) Move historic uses to Gay (historic uses)
2) Move pejorative high school usage to Gay (Pejorative non-sexualized usage) or something.
1x) OR move both of them to Gay (other uses)
3) Expand expand expand, this article has so much more to tell. Make it more like Lesbian.
Check out Talk:Gay#Proposal Phoenix of9 ( talk) 21:44, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
I posted the rewrite of the Lesbian article on February 10. It is up at wiki-wide peer review. You folks are the ones who can give it the best comments, though. Anything you can give. Even if it's just a section... With some more work, I think this article can be FA, though it might take a few tries to get it through ( Roman Catholic Church has gone through 5 times unsuccessfully - large abstract concepts tend to be more difficult). As soon as I add a bit about literature and lesbians in Asia, I'm going to nominate at GA.
You can find the peer review here. Thanks. -- Moni3 ( talk) 16:31, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Another plea for anyone in Europe to point me toward reliable sources that account for media representation of lesbianism. The film and television sections of the Lesbian article are centered in North America because I don't know what books to use to highlight media outside the US and Canada. -- Moni3 ( talk) 18:01, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
I don't know if anyone noticed this or not, but there is discussion about A-class articles being a higher grade then GA-class articles here. Basically the A-class articles are assesed by Wikiproject. For example see Military History WikiProject. Is this something we would like to do as well. That way we can go from getting an article as an A-class and then to a FA-class instead of going from GA-class and then FA-class. -- Pinkkeith ( talk) 17:50, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
LGBT pages by quality | |||||||
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101 | ||||||
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35 | ||||||
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591 | ||||||
B | 1,743 | ||||||
C | 5,094 | ||||||
Start | 12,324 | ||||||
Stub | 5,143 | ||||||
List | 664 | ||||||
Category | 7,217 | ||||||
Disambig | 32 | ||||||
File | 310 | ||||||
Portal | 58 | ||||||
Project | 73 | ||||||
Redirect | 1,736 | ||||||
Template | 375 | ||||||
NA | 5 | ||||||
Assessed | 35,501 | ||||||
Unassessed | 38 | ||||||
Total | 35,539 | ||||||
WikiWork factors ( ?) | ω = 119,268 | Ω = 4.77 |
The LGBT project does not appear to have any articles currently assessed as A-class. And when it did, there were about 7 or 8. See: Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies#Assessment and Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies/Assessment. The continuum (excluding lists) for us is Stub-Start-C-B-GA-A-FA, which follows the Version 1.0 Editorial Team continuum. I participated in the community discussion about setting up the C-class (I supported) and also some discussion about where the A-class should be in that continuum (below GA or above GA). My vote was that it should be below GA, for a C-B-A flow before getting to GA. Here (to the right) are the current assessment statistics so we can see where we are now. Note that there currently is an order of magnitude more articles in B-class than GA-class. Could we, as a WikiProject, and differently from milhist, use A-class articles as a developmental pad for GA-class, since C-B-A class articles do not require a community wide review process? Or more in line with Moni's thoughts as a staging area for FA. Also, I think she is right about our project assessment structure. Is it worth doing something about it? Or just continue as is? Frankly, I have doubts about getting enough people together. — Becksguy ( talk) 21:48, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Anyone know of this organization? I started the article yesterday; it would be great to see it develop. It would be especially useful if anyone knows whether it's still operative. It appears to have had a website at some point, though I haven't found one extant just now. Gonzonoir ( talk) 09:45, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Does anything in the article Torikaebaya Monogatari strike anyone as DYK-worthy? I'd like to nominate it, but I'm a bit concerned it might be too salacious for the front page. Thanks! -- Malkinann ( talk) 12:34, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Category:Gay novels is a child category of cat:LGBT novels and cat:Gay (male) fiction. After accidently LGBT-novel-stubbing (& self-reverting) some of the novels within the author sub-categories within it, I added a header note specifying cat:Gay novels is for gay-themed novels & not just gay-authored novels (without gay themes). Also removed Category:Novels by Samuel Delany from cat:Gay novels as I have been informed by another editor that (most?) of his novels are not LGBT-themed. Before further de-populating this category wanted to ask for clarification over this category's scope. (i.e. is it for gay-themed novels, and the gay-authored novels were mistakenly added, or is it for all novels by gay authors regardless of theme). (Additionally, if the author sub-categories are removed from cat:Gay novels, their individual novels which are gay-themed would have to be added back in individually to cat:Gay novels. (Assuming cat:Gay novels is actually meant to be only for gay-themed novels, this is kind of a mess) Thanks, Outsider80 ( talk) 00:14, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
I need some others opinions here, please. Would you all look at the personal life section of Aubrey O'Day and see if this sounds more like a tabloid than an encyclopedia? It sure sounds that way to me. Aleta Sing 19:54, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
Ikip ( talk) 20:00, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
What exactly is the policy regarding this (if consensus ever was established for this)? Back in the day, SatyrBot auto-tagged pretty much everything with a gay keyword in it, from my understanding -- though this no longer happens, so some porn stars are project-tagged, and some aren't. I re-tagged some to the seemingly-more-relevent WikiProject:Pornography, but was reverted on 1 & so am asking for clarification.
I can appreciate the pron as much as the next guy, but how exactly does someone sucking it on camera for money qualify them as an "LGBT studies" to be chronicled in the annals of LGBT history? (and would a straight studies wikiproject do the same, when a more relevent project exists?) Thx, Outsider80 ( talk) 20:49, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
All LGBT celebrities get project tagged AFAIK, and i don't think porn stars are any less important to LGBT studies than minor soap opera stars, or failed reality TV show contestants. If they acted in gay or Bi porn, may as well leave them tagged (although i don't think there is any rush to make sure we have tagged them all, unless they actually identy as LGBT). Yob Mod 11:28, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
List of terms for gay in different languages was flagged for automated copying to Wiktionary on 11 Feb, but hasn't been transwikied yet. Copying does not equal deletion, but this likely will be become an AfD once the transwiki is complete. It would be a shame to lose this list, but not sure what the rescue potential is to get it up to code (see WP:NOTDIC). If it can't be brought up to standards as a stand-alone list, it could be merged elsewhere -- but Terminology of homosexuality is already pretty long -- and burying it in there would make it lose its appeal as a quick-and-dirty list of terms for gay in various languages/cultures (it is actually linked-to in the Intro of Portal:LGBT because of that quick-and-dirty appeal (similar to LGBT rights by country or territory being a quickly browsable list of laws around the world, without having to read prose). thoughts or ideas?........ Outsider80 ( talk) 23:36, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Collaboration was never changed after January... any nominations for March? ( the COTM instructions call for ad-hoc nominations, so I am ad-hoccing :-D ) Outsider80 ( talk) 23:39, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Done — no additional noms or votes as of start of month, changed collaboration to
Lesbian.
Outsider80 (
talk)
00:32, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Listing this here since I'm not sure how many people monitor the main GLB dab/contents page, and notifying all 19 talk pages might be viewed as overkill -- I have raised a split proposal at List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people (currently a 19-part list), proposing moving all Bisexual listings to the already-existing 4-part List of bisexual people, and splitting what remains into separate Gay men and Lesbian lists. Discussion thread if you have an opinion is at Talk:List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people#Split proposal. Thanks, Outsider80 ( talk) 07:33, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi! I'd like to draw your attention to the new WikiProject coordinators' working group, an effort to bring both official and unofficial WikiProject coordinators together so that the projects can more easily develop consensus and collaborate. This group has been created after discussion regarding possible changes to the A-Class review system, and that may be one of the first things discussed by interested coordinators.
All designated project coordinators are invited to join this working group. If your project hasn't formally designated any editors as coordinators, but you are someone who regularly deals with coordination tasks in the project, please feel free to join as well. — Delievered by §hepBot ( Disable) on behalf of the WikiProject coordinators' working group at 05:50, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
Just a reminder that your project is subscribed to Article alerts, but you aren't giving any link to the alerts, losing pretty much all benefit of subscription. You can find the alerts at Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies/Article alerts (you can transclude it anywhere you want), or you can simply remove the display=none option from the {{ ArticleAlertbotSubscription}} template located at the bottom of your project's mainpage. You can find some additional paraments at WP:AAlerts#Subscribing. Headbomb { ταλκ κοντριβς – WP Physics} 08:55, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
If anyone click on the article alerts above, it would be great if they clicked further on the FT candidates, and left a comment! We currently have 2 topics waiting for comments, both with no opposes, but too few supports. Yob Mod 10:02, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Leaving a note here in case any other editors want to review this decision (rather than it being a surprise & getting complaints on my talk page lol). GayVN and GayVN Awards had been tagged for merging for over a year (and were the oldest merge tags listed in our cleanup list). I was going to remove the tags as stale, but the 2 articles were pretty much extremely redundant (except the latter is more up-to-date). I replaced GayVN with a redirect to GayVN Awards (since no action had been taken, & it seemed to be the logical solution). Feel free to revert or revise as needed. Thx, Outsider80 ( talk) 20:02, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
(sigh) Yet another image deletion discussion. Jeffree Star, a BLP, rise to fame came from doing high-concept genderfuck fashion photoshoots and building an online fan-base. The only image that helps show them doing this is being slated for deletion here. Any ideas or advice? I'm really sick of having images deleted. -- Banjeboi 23:15, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
The sexology project flushed their inactives list a week or 2 ago... Given how huge the main page is, maybe this would be a good idea here too? (with the obvious exception of number 120) We have 251 actives and 121 in-actives listed currently. Outsider80 ( talk) 01:52, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Members of this project may wish to comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Non-monogamous heterosexual marriage. Aleta Sing 03:24, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
There's another one: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/American College of Pediatricians. This one was in our project, but someone (I forget who, but I don't think it was a project member) removed our tag from the talk page. Aleta Sing 03:57, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
The AFD on the American "College" of Pediatricians was closed as delete due to copyvio. Someone with big Sarah Palin and nOBAMA images on their userpage disagreed with that and it is now at deletion review. See [[ Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 March 13#American College of Pediatricians]]. - ✰ ALLST☆R✰ echo 10:37, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
OK, sit down for this one. Not one but four articles:
Have been created and, IMHO, fluffed up with content that may belong better on the regular transmen and transwomen articles with the actual content regarding sexual attraction merged to Gynephilia and androphilia.
IMHO, this is more POV creep/fallout from Homosexual transsexual and Autogynephilia which are from Blanchard, Bailey, and Lawrence theory. This material, like a great ooze that grows and multiplies, never seems to let up and new problematic articles just compound. In any case I'm wondering if anyone else sees the first four above as needing to be merged? If I didn't know better I'd AfD the lot but I think merging is the better route. Any ideas, comments. -- Banjeboi 10:23, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Currently the articles on man/ woman and boy/ girl so far as I can see only represent the majority's common usage of the term. I do not contest that these should remain the main topics that take up the majority of the articles, however I think there should be a place in these articles explaining that the terms are also used by transgendered and homosexual people. For transgenders it is a more serious issue, whereas with homosexual I think it is done more of a joking fashion (such as in Will & Grace, Jack and Will I am pretty sure have said 'girls' or 'ladies' when talking collectively about themselves and/or female friends like Grace or that drunk woman). I am more familiar with the gay male usage of female terms, does anyone know any examples of lesbians (my guess moreso the ones who adopt more perceivedly masculine pasttimes like athletics, 'butch' etc) using 'boys' or 'men' self-referenced?
Even barring this (which I think exists) these words are also used in a pejorative sense even against those who don't use it, such as to insult homosexuals, or to insult people who have certain characteristics not associated with their sex/gender ("pansy" guys, "tomboy" girls). In the latter case, much like homosexuals I think these people may embrace these in a positive fashion "just one of the girls/boys" in a joking manner much like homosexuals can, rather than more seriously as a transgender would who has a strong belief of identifying with that gender enough to want to be referred to by it at all times. Pejorative uses are also notable (and they are probably frequent enough), and already in the girl article people have mentioned the pejorative uses of the word, though used in a matter of ageism whereas what I am referring to here would be sexism or sexualityism. Tyciol ( talk) 13:52, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
DOMA as an excuse not to give benefits to same sex partners. Thanks, Obama!
Someday, DOMA. I will write you... (or someone else should). -- Moni3 ( talk) 15:48, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
There is some discussion going on over at Talk:Princess Ozma over whether Princess Ozma, an Oz character starting from The Marvelous Land of Oz, belongs in Category:Fictional LGBT characters. From my perspective, Ozma physically changes sex in the book, and is therefore transsexual and thus LGBT. I think transgender children have a tendency to identify strongly with this character, as well.
User:Scottandrewhutchins sees things differently. He believes that Ozma does not qualify as transgender because the nature of her transformation is magical and she never experiences any gender identity problems as either sex. Also, in the early plays it is specified that Ozma is merely disguised as a boy and she is ignorant of her sex, which may be different from transgender experience.
At the heart of the question seems to be if transgenderism is strictly a question of gender identity and bodily dysphoria or applies more generally to people with significant experience in both sexes or gender roles. I am asking for help in settling the question of whether Ozma qualifies as transgender. Note that this could also affect her inclusion in List of transgender people and significance in this WikiProject. -- Kevin Saff ( talk) 19:03, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
I just tagged Suniti Namjoshi after adding a reference that she's a lesbian feminist. I notice there is no Category:LGBT writers from India... Zigzig20s ( talk) 16:22, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Queer theory and Queer studies... would I end up with egg on my face if I proposed a merge? They seem awfully similar to me... -- Malkinann ( talk) 11:22, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
So, queer theory is about studying/creating queer interpretations of texts by closely reading them and picking apart different interpretations? And queer studies is about people rather than texts???? -- Malkinann ( talk) 00:19, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi there,
Was just checking out the LGBT rights in Sweden page and saw that there is a table there stating that MSM in Sweden can give blood. This is definitely not true (I have a Swedish language source for this). I'm not entirely sure how to edit the table to reflect this or indeed whether the tick should be replaced with a cross or the item should be removed from the table altogether.
Oh, and there was a citation needed tag attached to a statement about Sweden getting gay marriage on May 1st this year. Here is a source for it if someone wants to add it. I'm not very good at doing the actual editing bit but I don't mind finding sources for stuff if people need it. Intesvensk ( talk) 18:34, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
A lots of prods, merges and finally a group AfD came to the conclusion that individual "year in LGBT rights" are not needed, (unless there is particular reason that year has a lot of content, which may be the case for more recent years). As a result, i've merged them into decade article or longer time periods if there was still not more than one event per decade. Note i only merge up until the 1970's, as later articles have more content (which may be bloat or not, so have to be decided individually). This gives the articles found here ( Table of years in LGBT rights). I updated the merged years, but for some reason i cannot transclude it into articles.
Although i think further merging into the Timeline of LGBT history is not needed, as worldwide there must be enough information for these time periods, they all of them still need a lot of work:
Howdy! There is a discussion at Talk:Queer as Folk (North American TV series) over how the show's premise is described. Apparently, someone has taken offense to the section starting off as:
The series follows the lives of five gay men living in ...
Some editors want to remove the word gay. If anyone has opinions on the removal of the word gay from the show's premise, chime in on the article's talk page please. Thank you. -- TreyGeek ( talk) 17:31, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
And you thought gay gas was from lite beer? -- Banjeboi 04:25, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
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Still hoping for input on this query. Anyone? Otto4711 ( talk) 22:35, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
This has been up at featured list candidates for coming up to a week, and is maybe floundering for lack of reviews. Assuming i convince the 2 reviewers so far, it would still need more to be able to pass. It has a minimum of 10 days for reviewing (so 3 more), but extentions to the time require that it is being improved, any i've done all the improving i can find to do. I'm not expecting automatic supports, just any comments at all would be great. It's the last in a planned Featured topic, so would hopefully get a big jump in visibility if it passes (and be the first LGBT FT, AFAIK).
Also, has anyone ever been to a Gaylaxicon? I'm starting to work it and Gaylactic Network up to GA, but anyone with any knowledge about either might notice things that i'm missing (unfortunately i'm on a wrong continent for first-hand experience), or even anyone with no knowledge that is interested in collaborating. Any newbies that want some GA/FL experience? Experienced editors to show me what i'm doing wrong? Anybody..? Yobmod ( talk) 09:33, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi,
Members of WP:Anime want to discuss on whatever Erika's Friedman manga & anime reviews are RS. The discussion is here Talk:Yuri_(genre)#Erika_Friedman_RS_Redux. Thanks. -- KrebMarkt 18:33, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
I've just finished this novel. It got the 2006 Lambda Literary Awards for Gay Men's Debut Fiction and Gay Men's Fiction. Is anyone else interested in writing a draft? He probably deserves his own page; he also wrote plays directed by Marc Wolf apparently. Zigzig20s ( talk) 20:50, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
While mooching with the LGBT fiction template i made, i noticed that this List of LGBT writers exists, and is completely unsourced. Are there other occupation lists like this? Doesn't the general list of LGBT people cover occupation? Culling this to what could be sourced would seem redundant to other lists and a lot of work. I thought it best to invite comments here before adding a merge template or posting to the BLP violations board. Yobmod ( talk) 09:49, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
The categories
are all up for discussion at this CfD. -- SatyrTN ( talk / contribs) 22:12, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
This is quite an astounding story. I included it on Transsexual because it is quite a first, though some might say a dubious one. From the sounds of it, Ugo Gabriele might be a cross-dresser; however, keeping with our policies such as WP:RS, we have to go on media reports, which have branded Gabriele aka "Kitty" as Trans. Somewhere in our sexuality pages this belongs. Can other eyes weigh in? --David Shankbone 17:02, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
I recently blogged about the "bisexuality" bizarreness and shenanigans going on with Alisa Valdes-Rodriguez denying her history and making things up on her Wikipedia biography. The blog post has led to some very good press for us about our diligence, policies and guidelines. --David Shankbone 04:53, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Please help deorphan this. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) ( talk) 05:24, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi again -
I've been sifting through some of Category:LGBT stubs (as have some of you - thank you), and I noticed several stubs which should not normally have been placed in the category. It may be that the way the category is used for stub-sorting purposes is a little different to how some other editors - including probably some of your project - are using it. Specifically, bio-stubs shouldn't be added to the category simply because they are about LGBT people. Let's face it, if every bio-stub about LGBT people was added to the category that'd be - what, 6-8% of the 100,000 bio-stubs we have on Wikipedia? It would completely swamp the category with people who, though LGBT, have had little impact on LGBT culture. To that end, I've added a note at the top of the category - feel free to amend it, but if possible please try to keep the spirit of it intact! Cheers, Grutness... wha? 23:50, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Basically, a person should only be given a specific type of bio-stub if they made a significant impact to a specific field (the exception being nationality types). While sexual orientation is, of course, very important to the individuals concerned, often a person can be, say, lesbian without it actually having a great impact on LGBT culture or history overall. An fairly crude analogy might be someone like Keanu Reeves being famous as an actor but also widely known for his musical sideprojects. If there was a stub article on him, he would get US-actor-stub but would only get US-musician-stub as well if his band was prominent. As I said in a recent WP:SFD discussion, it makes sense if a stub on someone like Brenda Howard was given an LGBT-stub, but far less so if someone like Brian Epstein was. In my stub sorting, for instance, I've removed the LGBT-stub from Rupert Charles Barneby and Lisa A. Barnett, but left it on S. E. Cottam and Kenneth Zeller. Given how many LGBT people there are, if biographical articles were given LGBT-stub (or LGBT-bio-stub), you'd end up with a category that was too large to use easily that was filled with articles many of which have only tangential connection to LGBT issues and culture. As for LGBT-bio-stub, it hasn't been deleted, though it's not currently in much use. The outcome of the SFD debate was that it could be used but should be appropriately worded and scoped so as to ensure that it is used in pretty much the way I've outlined above. For some reason it looks as though no-one's got round to rewording it (to be honest, I'm not sure how it could be easily reworded to cover the type of stubs I've mentioned). (Thanks to Aleta to alerting me to the follow-up questions) Grutness... wha? 23:39, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Things to do?
1) Move historic uses to Gay (historic uses)
2) Move pejorative high school usage to Gay (Pejorative non-sexualized usage) or something.
1x) OR move both of them to Gay (other uses)
3) Expand expand expand, this article has so much more to tell. Make it more like Lesbian.
Check out Talk:Gay#Proposal Phoenix of9 ( talk) 21:44, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
I posted the rewrite of the Lesbian article on February 10. It is up at wiki-wide peer review. You folks are the ones who can give it the best comments, though. Anything you can give. Even if it's just a section... With some more work, I think this article can be FA, though it might take a few tries to get it through ( Roman Catholic Church has gone through 5 times unsuccessfully - large abstract concepts tend to be more difficult). As soon as I add a bit about literature and lesbians in Asia, I'm going to nominate at GA.
You can find the peer review here. Thanks. -- Moni3 ( talk) 16:31, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Another plea for anyone in Europe to point me toward reliable sources that account for media representation of lesbianism. The film and television sections of the Lesbian article are centered in North America because I don't know what books to use to highlight media outside the US and Canada. -- Moni3 ( talk) 18:01, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
I don't know if anyone noticed this or not, but there is discussion about A-class articles being a higher grade then GA-class articles here. Basically the A-class articles are assesed by Wikiproject. For example see Military History WikiProject. Is this something we would like to do as well. That way we can go from getting an article as an A-class and then to a FA-class instead of going from GA-class and then FA-class. -- Pinkkeith ( talk) 17:50, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
LGBT pages by quality | |||||||
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Quality | |||||||
Total | |||||||
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101 | ||||||
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35 | ||||||
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591 | ||||||
B | 1,743 | ||||||
C | 5,094 | ||||||
Start | 12,324 | ||||||
Stub | 5,143 | ||||||
List | 664 | ||||||
Category | 7,217 | ||||||
Disambig | 32 | ||||||
File | 310 | ||||||
Portal | 58 | ||||||
Project | 73 | ||||||
Redirect | 1,736 | ||||||
Template | 375 | ||||||
NA | 5 | ||||||
Assessed | 35,501 | ||||||
Unassessed | 38 | ||||||
Total | 35,539 | ||||||
WikiWork factors ( ?) | ω = 119,268 | Ω = 4.77 |
The LGBT project does not appear to have any articles currently assessed as A-class. And when it did, there were about 7 or 8. See: Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies#Assessment and Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies/Assessment. The continuum (excluding lists) for us is Stub-Start-C-B-GA-A-FA, which follows the Version 1.0 Editorial Team continuum. I participated in the community discussion about setting up the C-class (I supported) and also some discussion about where the A-class should be in that continuum (below GA or above GA). My vote was that it should be below GA, for a C-B-A flow before getting to GA. Here (to the right) are the current assessment statistics so we can see where we are now. Note that there currently is an order of magnitude more articles in B-class than GA-class. Could we, as a WikiProject, and differently from milhist, use A-class articles as a developmental pad for GA-class, since C-B-A class articles do not require a community wide review process? Or more in line with Moni's thoughts as a staging area for FA. Also, I think she is right about our project assessment structure. Is it worth doing something about it? Or just continue as is? Frankly, I have doubts about getting enough people together. — Becksguy ( talk) 21:48, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Anyone know of this organization? I started the article yesterday; it would be great to see it develop. It would be especially useful if anyone knows whether it's still operative. It appears to have had a website at some point, though I haven't found one extant just now. Gonzonoir ( talk) 09:45, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Does anything in the article Torikaebaya Monogatari strike anyone as DYK-worthy? I'd like to nominate it, but I'm a bit concerned it might be too salacious for the front page. Thanks! -- Malkinann ( talk) 12:34, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Category:Gay novels is a child category of cat:LGBT novels and cat:Gay (male) fiction. After accidently LGBT-novel-stubbing (& self-reverting) some of the novels within the author sub-categories within it, I added a header note specifying cat:Gay novels is for gay-themed novels & not just gay-authored novels (without gay themes). Also removed Category:Novels by Samuel Delany from cat:Gay novels as I have been informed by another editor that (most?) of his novels are not LGBT-themed. Before further de-populating this category wanted to ask for clarification over this category's scope. (i.e. is it for gay-themed novels, and the gay-authored novels were mistakenly added, or is it for all novels by gay authors regardless of theme). (Additionally, if the author sub-categories are removed from cat:Gay novels, their individual novels which are gay-themed would have to be added back in individually to cat:Gay novels. (Assuming cat:Gay novels is actually meant to be only for gay-themed novels, this is kind of a mess) Thanks, Outsider80 ( talk) 00:14, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
I need some others opinions here, please. Would you all look at the personal life section of Aubrey O'Day and see if this sounds more like a tabloid than an encyclopedia? It sure sounds that way to me. Aleta Sing 19:54, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
Ikip ( talk) 20:00, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
What exactly is the policy regarding this (if consensus ever was established for this)? Back in the day, SatyrBot auto-tagged pretty much everything with a gay keyword in it, from my understanding -- though this no longer happens, so some porn stars are project-tagged, and some aren't. I re-tagged some to the seemingly-more-relevent WikiProject:Pornography, but was reverted on 1 & so am asking for clarification.
I can appreciate the pron as much as the next guy, but how exactly does someone sucking it on camera for money qualify them as an "LGBT studies" to be chronicled in the annals of LGBT history? (and would a straight studies wikiproject do the same, when a more relevent project exists?) Thx, Outsider80 ( talk) 20:49, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
All LGBT celebrities get project tagged AFAIK, and i don't think porn stars are any less important to LGBT studies than minor soap opera stars, or failed reality TV show contestants. If they acted in gay or Bi porn, may as well leave them tagged (although i don't think there is any rush to make sure we have tagged them all, unless they actually identy as LGBT). Yob Mod 11:28, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
List of terms for gay in different languages was flagged for automated copying to Wiktionary on 11 Feb, but hasn't been transwikied yet. Copying does not equal deletion, but this likely will be become an AfD once the transwiki is complete. It would be a shame to lose this list, but not sure what the rescue potential is to get it up to code (see WP:NOTDIC). If it can't be brought up to standards as a stand-alone list, it could be merged elsewhere -- but Terminology of homosexuality is already pretty long -- and burying it in there would make it lose its appeal as a quick-and-dirty list of terms for gay in various languages/cultures (it is actually linked-to in the Intro of Portal:LGBT because of that quick-and-dirty appeal (similar to LGBT rights by country or territory being a quickly browsable list of laws around the world, without having to read prose). thoughts or ideas?........ Outsider80 ( talk) 23:36, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Collaboration was never changed after January... any nominations for March? ( the COTM instructions call for ad-hoc nominations, so I am ad-hoccing :-D ) Outsider80 ( talk) 23:39, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Done — no additional noms or votes as of start of month, changed collaboration to
Lesbian.
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00:32, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Listing this here since I'm not sure how many people monitor the main GLB dab/contents page, and notifying all 19 talk pages might be viewed as overkill -- I have raised a split proposal at List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people (currently a 19-part list), proposing moving all Bisexual listings to the already-existing 4-part List of bisexual people, and splitting what remains into separate Gay men and Lesbian lists. Discussion thread if you have an opinion is at Talk:List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people#Split proposal. Thanks, Outsider80 ( talk) 07:33, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi! I'd like to draw your attention to the new WikiProject coordinators' working group, an effort to bring both official and unofficial WikiProject coordinators together so that the projects can more easily develop consensus and collaborate. This group has been created after discussion regarding possible changes to the A-Class review system, and that may be one of the first things discussed by interested coordinators.
All designated project coordinators are invited to join this working group. If your project hasn't formally designated any editors as coordinators, but you are someone who regularly deals with coordination tasks in the project, please feel free to join as well. — Delievered by §hepBot ( Disable) on behalf of the WikiProject coordinators' working group at 05:50, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
Just a reminder that your project is subscribed to Article alerts, but you aren't giving any link to the alerts, losing pretty much all benefit of subscription. You can find the alerts at Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies/Article alerts (you can transclude it anywhere you want), or you can simply remove the display=none option from the {{ ArticleAlertbotSubscription}} template located at the bottom of your project's mainpage. You can find some additional paraments at WP:AAlerts#Subscribing. Headbomb { ταλκ κοντριβς – WP Physics} 08:55, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
If anyone click on the article alerts above, it would be great if they clicked further on the FT candidates, and left a comment! We currently have 2 topics waiting for comments, both with no opposes, but too few supports. Yob Mod 10:02, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Leaving a note here in case any other editors want to review this decision (rather than it being a surprise & getting complaints on my talk page lol). GayVN and GayVN Awards had been tagged for merging for over a year (and were the oldest merge tags listed in our cleanup list). I was going to remove the tags as stale, but the 2 articles were pretty much extremely redundant (except the latter is more up-to-date). I replaced GayVN with a redirect to GayVN Awards (since no action had been taken, & it seemed to be the logical solution). Feel free to revert or revise as needed. Thx, Outsider80 ( talk) 20:02, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
(sigh) Yet another image deletion discussion. Jeffree Star, a BLP, rise to fame came from doing high-concept genderfuck fashion photoshoots and building an online fan-base. The only image that helps show them doing this is being slated for deletion here. Any ideas or advice? I'm really sick of having images deleted. -- Banjeboi 23:15, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
The sexology project flushed their inactives list a week or 2 ago... Given how huge the main page is, maybe this would be a good idea here too? (with the obvious exception of number 120) We have 251 actives and 121 in-actives listed currently. Outsider80 ( talk) 01:52, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Members of this project may wish to comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Non-monogamous heterosexual marriage. Aleta Sing 03:24, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
There's another one: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/American College of Pediatricians. This one was in our project, but someone (I forget who, but I don't think it was a project member) removed our tag from the talk page. Aleta Sing 03:57, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
The AFD on the American "College" of Pediatricians was closed as delete due to copyvio. Someone with big Sarah Palin and nOBAMA images on their userpage disagreed with that and it is now at deletion review. See [[ Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 March 13#American College of Pediatricians]]. - ✰ ALLST☆R✰ echo 10:37, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
OK, sit down for this one. Not one but four articles:
Have been created and, IMHO, fluffed up with content that may belong better on the regular transmen and transwomen articles with the actual content regarding sexual attraction merged to Gynephilia and androphilia.
IMHO, this is more POV creep/fallout from Homosexual transsexual and Autogynephilia which are from Blanchard, Bailey, and Lawrence theory. This material, like a great ooze that grows and multiplies, never seems to let up and new problematic articles just compound. In any case I'm wondering if anyone else sees the first four above as needing to be merged? If I didn't know better I'd AfD the lot but I think merging is the better route. Any ideas, comments. -- Banjeboi 10:23, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Currently the articles on man/ woman and boy/ girl so far as I can see only represent the majority's common usage of the term. I do not contest that these should remain the main topics that take up the majority of the articles, however I think there should be a place in these articles explaining that the terms are also used by transgendered and homosexual people. For transgenders it is a more serious issue, whereas with homosexual I think it is done more of a joking fashion (such as in Will & Grace, Jack and Will I am pretty sure have said 'girls' or 'ladies' when talking collectively about themselves and/or female friends like Grace or that drunk woman). I am more familiar with the gay male usage of female terms, does anyone know any examples of lesbians (my guess moreso the ones who adopt more perceivedly masculine pasttimes like athletics, 'butch' etc) using 'boys' or 'men' self-referenced?
Even barring this (which I think exists) these words are also used in a pejorative sense even against those who don't use it, such as to insult homosexuals, or to insult people who have certain characteristics not associated with their sex/gender ("pansy" guys, "tomboy" girls). In the latter case, much like homosexuals I think these people may embrace these in a positive fashion "just one of the girls/boys" in a joking manner much like homosexuals can, rather than more seriously as a transgender would who has a strong belief of identifying with that gender enough to want to be referred to by it at all times. Pejorative uses are also notable (and they are probably frequent enough), and already in the girl article people have mentioned the pejorative uses of the word, though used in a matter of ageism whereas what I am referring to here would be sexism or sexualityism. Tyciol ( talk) 13:52, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
DOMA as an excuse not to give benefits to same sex partners. Thanks, Obama!
Someday, DOMA. I will write you... (or someone else should). -- Moni3 ( talk) 15:48, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
There is some discussion going on over at Talk:Princess Ozma over whether Princess Ozma, an Oz character starting from The Marvelous Land of Oz, belongs in Category:Fictional LGBT characters. From my perspective, Ozma physically changes sex in the book, and is therefore transsexual and thus LGBT. I think transgender children have a tendency to identify strongly with this character, as well.
User:Scottandrewhutchins sees things differently. He believes that Ozma does not qualify as transgender because the nature of her transformation is magical and she never experiences any gender identity problems as either sex. Also, in the early plays it is specified that Ozma is merely disguised as a boy and she is ignorant of her sex, which may be different from transgender experience.
At the heart of the question seems to be if transgenderism is strictly a question of gender identity and bodily dysphoria or applies more generally to people with significant experience in both sexes or gender roles. I am asking for help in settling the question of whether Ozma qualifies as transgender. Note that this could also affect her inclusion in List of transgender people and significance in this WikiProject. -- Kevin Saff ( talk) 19:03, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
I just tagged Suniti Namjoshi after adding a reference that she's a lesbian feminist. I notice there is no Category:LGBT writers from India... Zigzig20s ( talk) 16:22, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Queer theory and Queer studies... would I end up with egg on my face if I proposed a merge? They seem awfully similar to me... -- Malkinann ( talk) 11:22, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
So, queer theory is about studying/creating queer interpretations of texts by closely reading them and picking apart different interpretations? And queer studies is about people rather than texts???? -- Malkinann ( talk) 00:19, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi there,
Was just checking out the LGBT rights in Sweden page and saw that there is a table there stating that MSM in Sweden can give blood. This is definitely not true (I have a Swedish language source for this). I'm not entirely sure how to edit the table to reflect this or indeed whether the tick should be replaced with a cross or the item should be removed from the table altogether.
Oh, and there was a citation needed tag attached to a statement about Sweden getting gay marriage on May 1st this year. Here is a source for it if someone wants to add it. I'm not very good at doing the actual editing bit but I don't mind finding sources for stuff if people need it. Intesvensk ( talk) 18:34, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
A lots of prods, merges and finally a group AfD came to the conclusion that individual "year in LGBT rights" are not needed, (unless there is particular reason that year has a lot of content, which may be the case for more recent years). As a result, i've merged them into decade article or longer time periods if there was still not more than one event per decade. Note i only merge up until the 1970's, as later articles have more content (which may be bloat or not, so have to be decided individually). This gives the articles found here ( Table of years in LGBT rights). I updated the merged years, but for some reason i cannot transclude it into articles.
Although i think further merging into the Timeline of LGBT history is not needed, as worldwide there must be enough information for these time periods, they all of them still need a lot of work:
Howdy! There is a discussion at Talk:Queer as Folk (North American TV series) over how the show's premise is described. Apparently, someone has taken offense to the section starting off as:
The series follows the lives of five gay men living in ...
Some editors want to remove the word gay. If anyone has opinions on the removal of the word gay from the show's premise, chime in on the article's talk page please. Thank you. -- TreyGeek ( talk) 17:31, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
And you thought gay gas was from lite beer? -- Banjeboi 04:25, 25 March 2009 (UTC)