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I thought some of us would enjoy this latest addition of mine to Sleeveless shirt. Also uploaded backstage photos from last night at Rock of Ages starring Constantine Maroulis from American Idol. --David Shankbone 02:54, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Ok, I need clarification on which is correct. This map says New York, Rhode Island, and New Mexico all recognize foreign gay marriage; but this template says only New York does. Which is right? I did a brief Google search last night, and couldn't find anything on any of the three states. CTJF83 Talk 20:51, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Currently there is an ongoing discussion at Talk:Murder_of_Matthew_Shepard#Page_move about what title this article should have. Any interested parties feel free to comment. A ni Mate 18:17, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
When I was mostly finished with the suite of articles about the Everglades, I turned back to WP:LGBT and considered which would be the highest profile articles to get to FA. Stonewall riots and Harvey Milk are done. One of these days, I'm going to take on the entire world's concept of Lesbian, which freaks me out, but I'm looking for an intrepid editor to rewrite Matthew Shepard from top to bottom. Since I have access to a university library, that includes news articles for most major newspapers as far back as 1996 or so. If one or more of you will be the writer(s), I will send you this material. Make your email address available to me and I will send you several dozen reliable sources. Please consider it. It would take about 2 months to get to GA or FA. I will help with copy editing. -- Moni3 ( talk) 13:34, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
There are appears to be a campaign underway to make the victims of anti-LGBT violence the object rather than the subject of their articles. In addition to Shepard, notice:
Also, notice that the Araujo & Milan articles have been stripped of relevant facts and decategorized, including removing the Category:Victims of anti-LGBT hate crimes.
I plan to move these back to their original names and have started a thread about these renames here.
Could editors please keep an eye on these articles? Queerudite ( talk) 03:25, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
This article is up for deletion here if any members wish to comment. Voceditenore ( talk) 19:09, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
If people have time, could they jump over to featured list candidates and review my 3 lists of gay science fiction award winners? They have no opposes, but need 4 supports to pass, even if they are perfect. here and here and here. (Link to review page through talk)
I also have 2 more to do for the gaylactic spectrum award, then will try for a featured topic on that. Its a pretty specialist topic (at least according to stereotype, we're not supposed to be interested in science, huh?), so i suspect will allways have problems getting comments from general users (who all only care about sports! - it goes both ways :-D)
AFAIK, there are no LGBT themed featured topics?! Yobmod ( talk) 10:51, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
In a related note, i've made my first LGBT good article, and with these two (soon to be) featured lists, and the featured topic on the way, i was wondering about recognizing contributions in the newsletter. There aren't that many promotions each month, and would make a nice positive note compared to all the politics (Obama isn't my president, we didn't ban "gay marriage") and delisting of articles that get included. Yobmod ( talk) 11:02, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
SatyrBot tagged her as lesbian, yet the page does not mention her lesbian subjectivity. I've found this [1]. Could someone please insert it so it makes sense in the article? Zigzig20s ( talk) 20:56, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
By Tove Jansson, creator of Moomin. I haven't read the book myself. I just translated the plot description from swedish wikipedia, which characterized the relationship between the two women in the book as a close friendship, but from all I recall of reviews etc it's a lesbian relationship. If anyone who has read the book or knows more has some input that'd be great. Siawase ( talk) 12:05, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
The disagreements between some elements of the lesbian community and the transgender community that boiled over at the 2008 Stonewall Awards have found there way onto the pages of wikipedia with frequent deletions by anonymous editors and a talk page longer than the article.
I only got involved to clean up formatting (!) could people knowledgeable about the subject and sources please assist. Thanks CyntWorkStuff ( talk) 04:51, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm rather upset to note that User:SatyrTN has apparently decided to start redefining transgender in order to exclude cross-dressers. The tip of the iceberg appears to be a decision on his part to side with the anti-LGBT types who have been attempting to remove the LGBT category from Eddie Izzard for some time. I don't know whether this is a misunderstanding on SatyrTN's part or whether he genuinely wants to exclude transgender people from the LGBT community.
To me, this is a very fundamental issue. As a cross-dresser, I have a social life as a female that is entirely separate from my life as a male. I live a significant portion of my life as a female even though I am, by definition, a heterosexual male. If this doesn't meet the definition of "transgender", then I don't know what does.
I'm trying to figure out where we go from here. -- AliceJMarkham ( talk) 10:55, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
SatyrTN, you and user:21stCenturyGreenstuff both made comments at Talk:Eddie Izzard#Transgender, transsexual, transvestite that were direct attacks on my gender identity. The statements in question were your first 2 posts to that section, and this from 21stCenturyGreenstuff (after already being warned about WP:NPA):
Telling a transgender person that they are not transgender because you don't agree with the reliably sourced definition of transgender (which happens to also correlate quite well with the legal definition in every state and territory of Australia, where I live) is directly in contravention of the first point at Wikipedia:No personal attacks#Personal attacks. The pain that your comments caused me would be on par with telling an infertile woman that she wasn't a woman because your personal definition of woman required that they be able to bear children. I am devastated by these personal attacks and will consequently be taking an indefinite wikibreak. I don't know whether I will be able to return. -- AliceJMarkham ( talk) 06:38, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
I would certainly consider someone who cross-dresses to be transgender, the act of putting on the clothes of a different gender is transgressing gender roles. Bob Hope would be considered surprised to be called trans and indeed so would I, because there's a big difference between someone who wears dresses for entertainment, and someone who finds cross-dressing to be a significant part of their life and gender presentation. Alice is very much part of our LGBT community and I have logged on today to be utterly astonished that anyone would question that. I hope Alice that you can see past this out of the blue comment and see it simply as a reason to keep on educating and keep on raising trans awareness so others in your situation does not suffer more of the same in the future.
Also, Eddie Izzard has previously said publicly that he considers himself a transvestite, and that deifnitely comes under our umbrella. Our big, gay umbrella. :) Dev920, who misses Jeffpw. 00:58, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
The new article Pride Week 1973 (Vancouver) has been listed at request moves as the first sentence and article refer to Pride Week in Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal, Saskatoon and Winnipeg. Discussion is welcome. SriMesh | talk 18:25, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Bet you didn't know the primary use of Lesbian in English refers to Greek Islanders. I have reported a user for inserting this information 10 times into the article. If you have any input, the discussion, such as it is, is here. Any eyes on the article as well would be welcome. -- Moni3 ( talk) 14:23, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm putting together an article that mentions Paul Cameron and am looking for a concise source that mentions that his views on homosexuality have been repudiated by the American Psychiatric Assn and the American Psychological Assn. Everything I can find talks about his getting chucked out of the latter APA but nothing that specifically says that both APAs hold official policy stands that are in opposition to his. Anyone got a suggestion? Otto4711 ( talk) 18:08, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
There is a bit about Petain calling him a sissy. Could this be verified or should we remove it? Zigzig20s ( talk) 13:09, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
I recently have read two Lawrence bios, neither of which even remotely suggests she was lesbian or bisexual. In fact, it appears she had a steady succession of male lovers, in addition to two husbands. Does anyone know what led to this article being included in the WikiProject LGBT studies? Another editor suggested it could be that she was considered a gay icon, although I've read nothing to support that. I'm hoping someone very familiar with the project and its guidelines can explain why the LGBT template is included on the discussion page for this article. Thank you very much for any enlightenment you can offer me! LiteraryMaven ( talk) 20:18, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
Could anyone please improve this page? Zigzig20s ( talk) 17:12, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Your input is welcome. -- Banjeboi 03:11, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Since we have an article on same-sex marriage, maybe it would be good to also have one on opposite-sex marriage. Such an article could discuss, for example, the motivation of legislators in restricting marriage to opposite-sex couples, as well as the effects of such restrictions, and the ways in which opposite-sex marriage does or does not differ from same-sex marriage or marriage in general. That article could be linked here, as well as in the California Proposition 8 (2008) article. Anyone feel inspired to do this?-- Bhuck ( talk) 09:33, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm not opposed to an opposite-sex article in theory, I'm just wondering if its actually necessary for an encyclopedia. Marriage by default primarily concerns opposite-sex marriage which is the primary reason why there is social/political debate over same-sex marriage; its the very reason "same-sex marriage" has an actual term/label. The same-sex marriage article overwhelmingly deals with opposition to the subject including every conceivable reason as to why it should not be legalized. Basically, is there anything that an opposite-sex article could cover that isn't already covered by both marriage and same-sex marriage so we aren't simply repeating the exact same information? The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 03:17, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
i was wondering if i could get some comment on what's looking to be a war at Deborah Warner over the use of the term domestic partner. -- emerson7 03:25, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
I remain convinced that {{ BBL sidebar}} is a pile of POV-pushing to help legitimize the rather controversial theories and research by this trio of folks. IMHO, this content should be laid out in the relevant article(s) not presented as established mainstream accepted content that templates imply. If this is fine then what's wrong with all sorts of templates laying out the main structural concepts of any fringe POV? Anyone else see this as problematic? Should this go to templates for deletion? -- Banjeboi 21:24, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
He received the Gay Men's Debut Fiction and the Gay Men's Fiction Lambda Awards in 2006 for his first and only novel, Suspension: A Novel. Does he deserve a page? (Where do we find out how many copies were sold?) Zigzig20s ( talk) 21:04, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
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I was wondering if we could add this story [2] to the page on Bourges. Because of police harassement, a gay club in small-town France is going to close down on December 31st. It seems symptomatic of homophobia in provincial France. However, it is bound to be met with reverts and accusations of "trivia". What do you think? Zigzig20s ( talk) 19:34, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
I was reading this article [3] and I realised there was no page on John Berry (well, there is, but he doesn't seem to be on the list John Berry); no page on Fred Hochberg (who comes up in the search results [4] as Fred P. Hochberg); and Mary Beth Maxwell's page is topsy turvy. Anyone care to create referenced pages on Berry and Hochberg, and possibly improve Maxell's page? Zigzig20s ( talk) 22:19, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Please read the quotation on Stefano Tonchi's page... I looked them up and there is also a page for Ben Brantley, Adam Nagourney, Frank Bruni, but not the other ones...Please note that this group was mentioned by Out Magazine in their April 2007 list of most powerful gay men: [6]. What to make of it? Zigzig20s ( talk) 18:26, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
FYI: Please "watch" Mississippi#Gay and lesbian community as User:Christchild777 and User:AlexiusHoratius have decided this section is irrelevant. - ✰ ALLST☆R✰ echo 08:05, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
Dropping by with a piece of good news. Best wishes, Durova Charge! 06:25, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Do we have categories for LGBT Democrats and LGBT Republicans? I think not. Shouldn't we create them? Zigzig20s ( talk) 22:52, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
It is currently prodded. If it is kept, should it be added to the project? Aleta Sing 17:58, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
I have deleted the notability tag because there were references, it was inserted back; I have now added two more references...Does it still require more references? Zigzig20s ( talk) 22:51, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Would anyone mind checking out this article? -- Silvestris ( talk) 19:31, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi - just a heads-up that I've initiated a proposal at WP:WSS/P about some possible new LGBT-related stub templates that should hopefully reduce the load in the main Category:LGBT stubs. Discussion of the proposal can be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/2008/December#LGBT split. Any input from this project is welcome on that page. There's also currently discussion at WP:SFD about renaming Category:Sex stubs as Category:Sex and sexuality stubs, or just Category:Sexuality stubs, which would allow Category:LGBT stubs to be a more appropriate subcategory of it.Again, input is welcome there. Grutness... wha? 22:16, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm running up against a good deal of resistance at Pope Benedict XVI in terms of including information about his anti-gay speeches and positions: such additions have been repeatedly removed ( see talk page). Additional input would be appreciated. - Outerlimits ( talk) 05:38, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
Has anyone read his memoir? I assume that David Letterman's spoof was homophobic [7]. Shouldn't we mention that on Governor McGreevey's article? Zigzig20s ( talk) 18:03, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
I was wondering if anyone else had seen Milk yet. I can't seem to remember who the curly-haired bespectacled young guy is...I'm looking for the actor's name - he doesn't seem to be listed on the article and yet he is a rather important character in the film. Zigzig20s ( talk) 12:12, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
I found the article Omicron Epsilon Pi, which seems to relate to your project, on the notability backlog. The article is in a bad state, it was apparently created in WP:COI and does not establish notability of the subject (the warning tag is on the article since September 2007). Does anyone of you know of secondary coverage, etc. about this organization? Or should the article rather be removed as non-notable? -- B. Wolterding ( talk) 18:41, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
an anonymous editor made two changes to gender words (he to she) but left a lot in tact. I'm not familiar enough with the guidelines on gender use to revert. One change is that Brandon's mother still referred to "her" (changed from him) as "her daughter" The second is "In 1993, after some legal trouble, Teena moved to the Falls City region of Richardson County, Nebraska, where she (formerly he) identified solely as a man. These seem wrong, but given that there are only two in an article full of gender references, I'll leave it to those more familiar with the guidelines. Scarykitty ( talk) 21:57, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Could someone tuck this little article under their wings? It's about a current LG marriage activist, and she's both well-known enough and little-known enough that a brief, well-written biography on Wikipedia is appropriate and useful. I met the article in an AfD and helped it out a bit, but it's really outside of my area (botany and geology, especially when the two meet in fossils). Thanks. -- KP Botany ( talk) 08:51, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Back on Nov 24, I nommed some categories to be merged. See Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 December 15#Category:LGBT actors from individual countries. This followed some discussion that some of us had at WT:LGBT/CAT, where a couple of us have been reviewing the category situation as a whole. The Nov 24 !vote didn't get much input, so it was re-nommed on Dec 15. That one *still* hasn't gotten much input. Would anyone who wants please stop by and give opinions and !votes? Thanks! -- SatyrTN ( talk / contribs) 04:01, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Ohm Phanphiroj seems to be the autobiographical puff-piece of a photographer of softcore gay erotica. The man claims to have been exhibited and widely awarded, without deigning to offer a shred of confirmatory evidence. The article has had an "Oh really? So prove it" template for over two years, and I think richly deserves inquisition by AfD. Still, I know squat about gay erotica; maybe this really is somebody who merits a worthwhile article. Can somebody here who knows about this stuff either start to go through the (self?) awards and the like, or send the drat thing to AfD? Thanks. -- Hoary ( talk) 12:32, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone speak German? This page [12] would do with a translation I think. It's about the last gay survivor of the Holocaust of course. I found a short article in The Advocate: [13]...There is a page on the French Wikipedia [14], but as always there is no reference...Unfortunately I didn't get a chance to read his full interview in Tetu; if it is in this month's issue, newsagents have no more copies to sell where I live. I think the best thing would be to get the German page translated into English, then add the Advocate reference and possibly the short Tetu one too [15]. Zigzig20s ( talk) 11:15, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
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I thought some of us would enjoy this latest addition of mine to Sleeveless shirt. Also uploaded backstage photos from last night at Rock of Ages starring Constantine Maroulis from American Idol. --David Shankbone 02:54, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Ok, I need clarification on which is correct. This map says New York, Rhode Island, and New Mexico all recognize foreign gay marriage; but this template says only New York does. Which is right? I did a brief Google search last night, and couldn't find anything on any of the three states. CTJF83 Talk 20:51, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Currently there is an ongoing discussion at Talk:Murder_of_Matthew_Shepard#Page_move about what title this article should have. Any interested parties feel free to comment. A ni Mate 18:17, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
When I was mostly finished with the suite of articles about the Everglades, I turned back to WP:LGBT and considered which would be the highest profile articles to get to FA. Stonewall riots and Harvey Milk are done. One of these days, I'm going to take on the entire world's concept of Lesbian, which freaks me out, but I'm looking for an intrepid editor to rewrite Matthew Shepard from top to bottom. Since I have access to a university library, that includes news articles for most major newspapers as far back as 1996 or so. If one or more of you will be the writer(s), I will send you this material. Make your email address available to me and I will send you several dozen reliable sources. Please consider it. It would take about 2 months to get to GA or FA. I will help with copy editing. -- Moni3 ( talk) 13:34, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
There are appears to be a campaign underway to make the victims of anti-LGBT violence the object rather than the subject of their articles. In addition to Shepard, notice:
Also, notice that the Araujo & Milan articles have been stripped of relevant facts and decategorized, including removing the Category:Victims of anti-LGBT hate crimes.
I plan to move these back to their original names and have started a thread about these renames here.
Could editors please keep an eye on these articles? Queerudite ( talk) 03:25, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
This article is up for deletion here if any members wish to comment. Voceditenore ( talk) 19:09, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
If people have time, could they jump over to featured list candidates and review my 3 lists of gay science fiction award winners? They have no opposes, but need 4 supports to pass, even if they are perfect. here and here and here. (Link to review page through talk)
I also have 2 more to do for the gaylactic spectrum award, then will try for a featured topic on that. Its a pretty specialist topic (at least according to stereotype, we're not supposed to be interested in science, huh?), so i suspect will allways have problems getting comments from general users (who all only care about sports! - it goes both ways :-D)
AFAIK, there are no LGBT themed featured topics?! Yobmod ( talk) 10:51, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
In a related note, i've made my first LGBT good article, and with these two (soon to be) featured lists, and the featured topic on the way, i was wondering about recognizing contributions in the newsletter. There aren't that many promotions each month, and would make a nice positive note compared to all the politics (Obama isn't my president, we didn't ban "gay marriage") and delisting of articles that get included. Yobmod ( talk) 11:02, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
SatyrBot tagged her as lesbian, yet the page does not mention her lesbian subjectivity. I've found this [1]. Could someone please insert it so it makes sense in the article? Zigzig20s ( talk) 20:56, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
By Tove Jansson, creator of Moomin. I haven't read the book myself. I just translated the plot description from swedish wikipedia, which characterized the relationship between the two women in the book as a close friendship, but from all I recall of reviews etc it's a lesbian relationship. If anyone who has read the book or knows more has some input that'd be great. Siawase ( talk) 12:05, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
The disagreements between some elements of the lesbian community and the transgender community that boiled over at the 2008 Stonewall Awards have found there way onto the pages of wikipedia with frequent deletions by anonymous editors and a talk page longer than the article.
I only got involved to clean up formatting (!) could people knowledgeable about the subject and sources please assist. Thanks CyntWorkStuff ( talk) 04:51, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm rather upset to note that User:SatyrTN has apparently decided to start redefining transgender in order to exclude cross-dressers. The tip of the iceberg appears to be a decision on his part to side with the anti-LGBT types who have been attempting to remove the LGBT category from Eddie Izzard for some time. I don't know whether this is a misunderstanding on SatyrTN's part or whether he genuinely wants to exclude transgender people from the LGBT community.
To me, this is a very fundamental issue. As a cross-dresser, I have a social life as a female that is entirely separate from my life as a male. I live a significant portion of my life as a female even though I am, by definition, a heterosexual male. If this doesn't meet the definition of "transgender", then I don't know what does.
I'm trying to figure out where we go from here. -- AliceJMarkham ( talk) 10:55, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
SatyrTN, you and user:21stCenturyGreenstuff both made comments at Talk:Eddie Izzard#Transgender, transsexual, transvestite that were direct attacks on my gender identity. The statements in question were your first 2 posts to that section, and this from 21stCenturyGreenstuff (after already being warned about WP:NPA):
Telling a transgender person that they are not transgender because you don't agree with the reliably sourced definition of transgender (which happens to also correlate quite well with the legal definition in every state and territory of Australia, where I live) is directly in contravention of the first point at Wikipedia:No personal attacks#Personal attacks. The pain that your comments caused me would be on par with telling an infertile woman that she wasn't a woman because your personal definition of woman required that they be able to bear children. I am devastated by these personal attacks and will consequently be taking an indefinite wikibreak. I don't know whether I will be able to return. -- AliceJMarkham ( talk) 06:38, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
I would certainly consider someone who cross-dresses to be transgender, the act of putting on the clothes of a different gender is transgressing gender roles. Bob Hope would be considered surprised to be called trans and indeed so would I, because there's a big difference between someone who wears dresses for entertainment, and someone who finds cross-dressing to be a significant part of their life and gender presentation. Alice is very much part of our LGBT community and I have logged on today to be utterly astonished that anyone would question that. I hope Alice that you can see past this out of the blue comment and see it simply as a reason to keep on educating and keep on raising trans awareness so others in your situation does not suffer more of the same in the future.
Also, Eddie Izzard has previously said publicly that he considers himself a transvestite, and that deifnitely comes under our umbrella. Our big, gay umbrella. :) Dev920, who misses Jeffpw. 00:58, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
The new article Pride Week 1973 (Vancouver) has been listed at request moves as the first sentence and article refer to Pride Week in Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal, Saskatoon and Winnipeg. Discussion is welcome. SriMesh | talk 18:25, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Bet you didn't know the primary use of Lesbian in English refers to Greek Islanders. I have reported a user for inserting this information 10 times into the article. If you have any input, the discussion, such as it is, is here. Any eyes on the article as well would be welcome. -- Moni3 ( talk) 14:23, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm putting together an article that mentions Paul Cameron and am looking for a concise source that mentions that his views on homosexuality have been repudiated by the American Psychiatric Assn and the American Psychological Assn. Everything I can find talks about his getting chucked out of the latter APA but nothing that specifically says that both APAs hold official policy stands that are in opposition to his. Anyone got a suggestion? Otto4711 ( talk) 18:08, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
There is a bit about Petain calling him a sissy. Could this be verified or should we remove it? Zigzig20s ( talk) 13:09, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
I recently have read two Lawrence bios, neither of which even remotely suggests she was lesbian or bisexual. In fact, it appears she had a steady succession of male lovers, in addition to two husbands. Does anyone know what led to this article being included in the WikiProject LGBT studies? Another editor suggested it could be that she was considered a gay icon, although I've read nothing to support that. I'm hoping someone very familiar with the project and its guidelines can explain why the LGBT template is included on the discussion page for this article. Thank you very much for any enlightenment you can offer me! LiteraryMaven ( talk) 20:18, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
Could anyone please improve this page? Zigzig20s ( talk) 17:12, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Your input is welcome. -- Banjeboi 03:11, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Since we have an article on same-sex marriage, maybe it would be good to also have one on opposite-sex marriage. Such an article could discuss, for example, the motivation of legislators in restricting marriage to opposite-sex couples, as well as the effects of such restrictions, and the ways in which opposite-sex marriage does or does not differ from same-sex marriage or marriage in general. That article could be linked here, as well as in the California Proposition 8 (2008) article. Anyone feel inspired to do this?-- Bhuck ( talk) 09:33, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm not opposed to an opposite-sex article in theory, I'm just wondering if its actually necessary for an encyclopedia. Marriage by default primarily concerns opposite-sex marriage which is the primary reason why there is social/political debate over same-sex marriage; its the very reason "same-sex marriage" has an actual term/label. The same-sex marriage article overwhelmingly deals with opposition to the subject including every conceivable reason as to why it should not be legalized. Basically, is there anything that an opposite-sex article could cover that isn't already covered by both marriage and same-sex marriage so we aren't simply repeating the exact same information? The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 03:17, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
i was wondering if i could get some comment on what's looking to be a war at Deborah Warner over the use of the term domestic partner. -- emerson7 03:25, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
I remain convinced that {{ BBL sidebar}} is a pile of POV-pushing to help legitimize the rather controversial theories and research by this trio of folks. IMHO, this content should be laid out in the relevant article(s) not presented as established mainstream accepted content that templates imply. If this is fine then what's wrong with all sorts of templates laying out the main structural concepts of any fringe POV? Anyone else see this as problematic? Should this go to templates for deletion? -- Banjeboi 21:24, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
He received the Gay Men's Debut Fiction and the Gay Men's Fiction Lambda Awards in 2006 for his first and only novel, Suspension: A Novel. Does he deserve a page? (Where do we find out how many copies were sold?) Zigzig20s ( talk) 21:04, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
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I was wondering if we could add this story [2] to the page on Bourges. Because of police harassement, a gay club in small-town France is going to close down on December 31st. It seems symptomatic of homophobia in provincial France. However, it is bound to be met with reverts and accusations of "trivia". What do you think? Zigzig20s ( talk) 19:34, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
I was reading this article [3] and I realised there was no page on John Berry (well, there is, but he doesn't seem to be on the list John Berry); no page on Fred Hochberg (who comes up in the search results [4] as Fred P. Hochberg); and Mary Beth Maxwell's page is topsy turvy. Anyone care to create referenced pages on Berry and Hochberg, and possibly improve Maxell's page? Zigzig20s ( talk) 22:19, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Please read the quotation on Stefano Tonchi's page... I looked them up and there is also a page for Ben Brantley, Adam Nagourney, Frank Bruni, but not the other ones...Please note that this group was mentioned by Out Magazine in their April 2007 list of most powerful gay men: [6]. What to make of it? Zigzig20s ( talk) 18:26, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
FYI: Please "watch" Mississippi#Gay and lesbian community as User:Christchild777 and User:AlexiusHoratius have decided this section is irrelevant. - ✰ ALLST☆R✰ echo 08:05, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
Dropping by with a piece of good news. Best wishes, Durova Charge! 06:25, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Do we have categories for LGBT Democrats and LGBT Republicans? I think not. Shouldn't we create them? Zigzig20s ( talk) 22:52, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
It is currently prodded. If it is kept, should it be added to the project? Aleta Sing 17:58, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
I have deleted the notability tag because there were references, it was inserted back; I have now added two more references...Does it still require more references? Zigzig20s ( talk) 22:51, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Would anyone mind checking out this article? -- Silvestris ( talk) 19:31, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi - just a heads-up that I've initiated a proposal at WP:WSS/P about some possible new LGBT-related stub templates that should hopefully reduce the load in the main Category:LGBT stubs. Discussion of the proposal can be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/2008/December#LGBT split. Any input from this project is welcome on that page. There's also currently discussion at WP:SFD about renaming Category:Sex stubs as Category:Sex and sexuality stubs, or just Category:Sexuality stubs, which would allow Category:LGBT stubs to be a more appropriate subcategory of it.Again, input is welcome there. Grutness... wha? 22:16, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm running up against a good deal of resistance at Pope Benedict XVI in terms of including information about his anti-gay speeches and positions: such additions have been repeatedly removed ( see talk page). Additional input would be appreciated. - Outerlimits ( talk) 05:38, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
Has anyone read his memoir? I assume that David Letterman's spoof was homophobic [7]. Shouldn't we mention that on Governor McGreevey's article? Zigzig20s ( talk) 18:03, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
I was wondering if anyone else had seen Milk yet. I can't seem to remember who the curly-haired bespectacled young guy is...I'm looking for the actor's name - he doesn't seem to be listed on the article and yet he is a rather important character in the film. Zigzig20s ( talk) 12:12, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
I found the article Omicron Epsilon Pi, which seems to relate to your project, on the notability backlog. The article is in a bad state, it was apparently created in WP:COI and does not establish notability of the subject (the warning tag is on the article since September 2007). Does anyone of you know of secondary coverage, etc. about this organization? Or should the article rather be removed as non-notable? -- B. Wolterding ( talk) 18:41, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
an anonymous editor made two changes to gender words (he to she) but left a lot in tact. I'm not familiar enough with the guidelines on gender use to revert. One change is that Brandon's mother still referred to "her" (changed from him) as "her daughter" The second is "In 1993, after some legal trouble, Teena moved to the Falls City region of Richardson County, Nebraska, where she (formerly he) identified solely as a man. These seem wrong, but given that there are only two in an article full of gender references, I'll leave it to those more familiar with the guidelines. Scarykitty ( talk) 21:57, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Could someone tuck this little article under their wings? It's about a current LG marriage activist, and she's both well-known enough and little-known enough that a brief, well-written biography on Wikipedia is appropriate and useful. I met the article in an AfD and helped it out a bit, but it's really outside of my area (botany and geology, especially when the two meet in fossils). Thanks. -- KP Botany ( talk) 08:51, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Back on Nov 24, I nommed some categories to be merged. See Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 December 15#Category:LGBT actors from individual countries. This followed some discussion that some of us had at WT:LGBT/CAT, where a couple of us have been reviewing the category situation as a whole. The Nov 24 !vote didn't get much input, so it was re-nommed on Dec 15. That one *still* hasn't gotten much input. Would anyone who wants please stop by and give opinions and !votes? Thanks! -- SatyrTN ( talk / contribs) 04:01, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Ohm Phanphiroj seems to be the autobiographical puff-piece of a photographer of softcore gay erotica. The man claims to have been exhibited and widely awarded, without deigning to offer a shred of confirmatory evidence. The article has had an "Oh really? So prove it" template for over two years, and I think richly deserves inquisition by AfD. Still, I know squat about gay erotica; maybe this really is somebody who merits a worthwhile article. Can somebody here who knows about this stuff either start to go through the (self?) awards and the like, or send the drat thing to AfD? Thanks. -- Hoary ( talk) 12:32, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone speak German? This page [12] would do with a translation I think. It's about the last gay survivor of the Holocaust of course. I found a short article in The Advocate: [13]...There is a page on the French Wikipedia [14], but as always there is no reference...Unfortunately I didn't get a chance to read his full interview in Tetu; if it is in this month's issue, newsagents have no more copies to sell where I live. I think the best thing would be to get the German page translated into English, then add the Advocate reference and possibly the short Tetu one too [15]. Zigzig20s ( talk) 11:15, 21 December 2008 (UTC)