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“ | The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints quotes David Popenoe who said "gender differentiated parenting is important for human development and that the contribution of fathers to childrearing is unique and irreplaceable" and "that fathers express more concern for the child’s longer-term development, while mothers focus on the child’s immediate well-being". | ” |
The Divine Institution of Marriage
I removed the above from LGBT parenting, I feel it's waaay POV and not really helping anything - the source is alarming as well. I've recently tussled with the same editor about putting LGB=disease-type content on several LGBT articles so I may be over-reacting here. Any thoughts? -- Banjeboi 00:44, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
James Robert Baker is getting a lot of vandalism. Anybody home? SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 02:43, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Just a note that we have a new user whose single purpose seems to be to delete links to the article Gay Village, Montreal. See here. He's been doing at as an anon IP, and now, as a new account. I've been reverting but I myself am officially retired and will not be able to monitor this. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 15:13, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Please visit Ramba (comics) and weigh in. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) ( talk) 04:41, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Would anyone mind checking out Joseph Nicolosi's article? The POV seems too positive. -- Silvestris ( talk) 14:08, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
I came across his name as I was reading Tetu this afternoon...Anyway, I'm finding it hard to add references to improve the article. If anyone wants to help, that'd be cool. Also, is he gay? Zigzig20s ( talk) 16:03, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Outdent. Cameron Scott, I agree with Zigzig20s here, this is an LGBT talk forum where we have to deal with these issues and source LGBT concerns to a profound degree and defend the content continuously. No one is engaging in a fishing trip as much as really trying to figure something out; we're dealing with language and cultural barriers, in this case and often these discussions end up with a well thought out consensus amongst editors who have been through these issues many times before. We're frightfully aware of BLP issues as they are routinely used to erase any aspect of non-heteronormative sexuality off articles. Witness the drama on any number of articles and you'll see that we follow the letter and spirit and do so because it help thwarts vandalism and improves articles. -- Banjeboi 23:29, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Was he the amongst the first well-known out Hollywood celebs? I don't have time to did this one up right now but if he was it should be sourced and contextualized a bit. I don't recall if it was a big deal or not. -- Banjeboi 23:22, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
I have on several occasions added the project banner to articles about persons, LGBT or not, that were central in LGBT-related controversies and that also had LGBT-related categories attached to them, only to see project member(s) remove the LGBT studies project template from the articles' talk pages. I tag articles for a lot of WikiProjects, and I rarely experience a paradox of this kind, which I cannot easily decipher, where a project disowns articles that appear to fit the project's scope. Could perhaps the sections on scope, especially the description of what does not belong to the scope of the project, be made a little clearer/detailed? __ meco ( talk) 09:44, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
(outdent) My concern with "lowering the threshold" is that we get close to the very "speculative" issues mentioned above by User:Cameron Scott in the above discussion. We could get to the point where we include in the project anyone that we think *might* be gay, and that's a) not helpful and b) playing with gossip. Just my opinion. -- SatyrTN ( talk / contribs) 14:22, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
This is a gay street, probably the gayest street in Paris. Could anyone find references pls? I am too busy with tedious Edmund Husserl as per coursework... Zigzig20s ( talk) 18:52, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
I was considering adding it to Paul Cameron, and perhaps to George Alan Rekers. I'm unsure what the wiki-standard for this is, and I don't want to start an edit war, so I thought I'd ask here first. VG ☎ 12:45, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi, my name is Jonathan Ned Katz and I'm the Director of OutHistory.org, a free, not-for-profit, educational, MediaWiki-based website in development about lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and heterosexual history.
I wonder if any of those interested in administering Wikipedia's GLBT History sections and biographies would be interested in helping administer OutHistory? Take a look at the site and see what you think, and let me know. I think there's a need for a separate website devoted exclusively to our history.
The site is being produced by the Center for Lesbian and Gay Studies (CLAGS), an institute of the City University of New York, under a grant from the Arcus Foundation. All the content of the site is provided by volunteers. The only salaried position is the Project Coordinator for OutHistory.
Incidentally, I put a brief description of OutHistory.org on Wikipedia and it was deleted. Should OutHistory.org not have an entry on Wikipedia?
Jonathan Ned Katz
Wrong tag seems to have been added by
User:SatyrBot as lesbian playing by
Alice Roberts included in
Pandora's Box film. Unless anyone can come up with third-party sources, delete this passage.
Britneysaints (
talk)
04:11, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
So, why is Louise Brooks part of the project? Ed Fitzgerald t / c 22:22, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
What do y'all think about merging Category:Sexual orientation and identity into Category:Sexual orientation? Is there a difference between them? -- SatyrTN ( talk / contribs) 16:16, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
After learning that Proposition 8 may have failed yesterday, I kept dreaming last night over and over that its article was full of inaccuracies and blatantly false and POV information, and worse yet - that I hadn't read it to set it right. I checked this morning and it appears to be rather good, actually. Aside from the fact that this clearly indicates I have several neuroses and a buttload of misplaced guilt to overcome, it has some implications. I can't vote in California, but I did get married in August, so I had an interest in seeing this get shot down. Florida Amendment 2 (2008) was, I think, poorly managed in my part of the state and as a result, our constitution was amended to define marriage as ridiculous. The article for Amendment 2 is pretty stinky. I apologize for criticizing when I could do something about it. But that thought of taking on one more thing while I was undertaking Harvey Milk's FA is overwhelming. I'm writing the Save Our Children political campaign right now, which means I have to read three! books authored by Anita Bryant. I need an oxygen tank to survive this.
My feverish dreams indicate I should have been able to do more. But can we do more? Can we use our project to work on political issues like this? Should we or is that POV? Can someone absolve me of my guilt? -- Moni3 ( talk) 17:36, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Has anyone else seen that film? It is on this list [1], yet as Todd Haynes says in a New York Times review [2], the characters can't be said to be gay stricto sensu. There is homoeroticism to be sure, and it would seem that the two men have sex twice, though those scenes are only suggested. What to do? Zigzig20s ( talk) 01:58, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Requesting participation at Stonewall riots#LGBT vs gay, homosexual, etc. Maralia ( talk) 02:11, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi. The Hothead Paisan article was recently tagged as a candidate for speedy deletion on notability grounds, and it could definitely use a few more references. Would anyone be interested in helping improve the article? I'd rather not see it wind up at AfD. Thanks, Kafka Liz ( talk) 16:04, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Should I tag Don DeLillo's Players? The wife spends her time with a homosexual couple; the husband wonders if the terrorist he communicates with is a homosexual or not. It's not a gay novel, though. Zigzig20s ( talk) 12:33, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't we add an 's' at the end of 'Award'? Zigzig20s ( talk) 10:42, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Hector MacDonald is mentioned as homosexual in Neil Bartlett's Who's That Man, page 65. The talk page appears to be controversial. Was he having sex with underage boys or simply with men? Zigzig20s ( talk) 13:56, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone have time to work on the Dublin Castle Affair of 1883-4? Please see [3]. It seems to foreshadow the Cleveland Street Scandal. No mention on the Dublin Castle page. Zigzig20s ( talk) 19:29, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Homosexual transsexual has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Articles are typically reviewed for one week. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here. -- Malkinann ( talk) 23:30, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
In the process of refining the new edition of this article to affirm it's good article status a content dispute has arisen. One editor's stated opinion is that this article is simply about a term used by a minority of sexologist at a canadian gender clinic and nothing more. Another editor claims that this term is just the latest designation for a phenomena that has been observed for ages and given many names in many cultures throughout history. One other editor agree's with the second editor that this article is about a phenomena not a term. That is a majority but not real durable consensus. Please help us reach a real consensus one way or the other. -- Hfarmer ( talk) 04:47, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Does any one else see this template as a bit POV-pushing? -- Banjeboi 18:57, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
I deleted Queers & Allies because it was completely a copy of the website: [4]. I'm posting this notification here in case anyone wants to create a non-copyright violating article. Aleta Sing 22:49, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
I moved a chunky quote from the lede on transsexualism (see it and comment here) - it followed what is presently there. Am I seeing this content correctly? To me it seems inappropriate for the lede but maybe somewhere else? Or is the lede the best spot for it. The reply I got was that I need to chill - all us Californians (apparently where I'm from) do while we fight the Proposition 8 - and not take this so literally. Any insight appreciated. -- Banjeboi 04:14, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
I just asked a bot to deliver the November newsletter, which will be done today I hope. In it are some questions about organization to maximize our efforts. Yes, I admit I'm kinda fired up.
We have an astounding number of articles in our scope. Should we break them into categories, and ask editors to oversee their categorization, and development over a period of months? Seriously - don't you want to be in charge of the Sex and sexuality articles? Should those editors switch off after 3 or 6 months to allow someone new to take over the task?
Current political events | LGBT Media and Literature | LGBT History | Sex and sexuality |
---|---|---|---|
Articles about political issues in the US and around the world that have been especially relevant within the past 5 years | Depictions of LGBT people and issues on television, film, newspapers, magazines | Topics about gay rights activism and the opposition to it | Articles relating to sex and sexuality |
Florida Amendment 2 (2008), California Proposition 8 (2008), E.O. Green School shooting, etc. | The Advocate, Curve (magazine), Washington Blade, Milk (film), Brokeback Mountain, etc. | Moral Majority, ACT UP, Queer Nation, Mattachine Society, Jesse Helms, Jerry Falwell, Mathew Shepard, gay icon, etc. | Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender, sexual and gender expression, etc. |
Is anyone interested in overseeing articles about Current political events? Keeping the talk page updated on the frequent changes to
California Proposition 8 (2008), helping with
Political_positions_of_Barack_Obama#LGBT_issues, building the sad article at
Florida Amendment 2 (2008), and perhaps helping to develop an article on LGBT African Americans? How about something similar to what ZigZig20s and I were talking about up there: 3 or 4 editors to work on making sure the articles are cleaned up and current, relatively free of POV and stuff? --
Moni3 (
talk)
22:47, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Should we attach a level of importance to articles, similar to WP:Novels, to maximize our efforts on the most important articles that need the most work? We could start with the list of LGBT Core Topics.
Specfics:
Moni3's grand vision: in 30 minutes, first thing in the morning. Taking the first 27 articles in the Main category on the LGBT Core Topics list.
Top | High | Mid |
---|---|---|
Article | Rating | Tasks | Time frame |
---|---|---|---|
Homosexuality | B class, former GA | Get participants to agree on consensus to improve writing, clean up citations, images, verify sources | unknown |
Lesbian | B class, closer to C | Expand article, include citations, add details, improve writing | 2 - 3 months |
Bisexuality | B class | Improve writing, clean up citations, images, verify sources | 1 month |
Transgender | B class | Improve writing, clean up citations, images, verify sources | 1 month |
Biology and sexual orientation | B class | Improve writing, clean up citations, images, verify sources | 2 months (sciencey stuff makes me think things take longer) |
Sexual orientation | B class | Improve writing, clean up citations, images, verify sources | 1 - 2 months |
-- Moni3 ( talk) 13:45, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Well? What do you think? -- Moni3 ( talk) 18:11, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
All right, then. What tends to burn you out? All answers are sought. For me, it's (ironically enough since I tend to work alone primarily) feeling like I have to do everything and seeing no progress. -- Moni3 ( talk) 13:47, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
I've done 2 podcasts for copy editing and writing Featured Articles, recorded while working on Skype. Is anyone interested in discussing these issues in real time? Not necessarily for recording purposes, but for discussing? -- Moni3 ( talk) 18:23, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
For the kick in the bohonkus (how do you spell that anyway?)! :) Aleta Sing 21:19, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
I don't necessarily agree with the support for Obama. Anyway, if you watched the VP debate, they both said that prospective candidates supported same-sex rights but rejected gay marriage. I don't see why we should support Obama in our newsletter. (You might say that you use the term 'extraordinary' as in unusual, but it still has a good connotation to it I think.) Please let us not alienate gay Republicans; I think that is important. Zigzig20s ( talk) 21:55, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Considering his official stance on LGBT-related issues and as President with executive authority, Obama is currently our strongest political advocate in the United States. While I agree we can't forget about Gay Republicans, we do have to keep in mind how little influence they have not only within their own camp, but on the country as a whole. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 07:14, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
A new article on this charming individual who authored The Pink Swastika has been created recently, and I had the joyous task of cleaning it up. Still, some more fleshing out definitely needs to be done and I think I've had my fill for awhile. Considering his strident and now international homophobic message, I thought this would be the best place to ask for some help. A ni Mate 09:25, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
I could use another set of eyes on Atlanta Gay Men's Chorus. I ran across it yesterday, and all I see is an advertisement that needs to be deleted. Could someone else look at it and see if it can be salvaged? -- SatyrTN ( talk / contribs) 18:37, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
According to the stub LGBT rights in the Solomon Islands, there does not appear to be any such thing as LGBT rights. Are people fighting there for them? If not, is there a more appropriate name we can use, like "LGBT legislation in..." or something? Aleta Sing 22:18, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Those in the project who have taken an interest in this aspect of gay history will be pleased to know that the "individuals" who caused a great deal of the problems (Soulfare, Costagne, etc.) were nothing other than socks of DavidYork71, a user with fascist affinities. Until now I refrained from pointing out the similarity between what was happening to the pederasty articles and what happened to the Hirschfeld archives, though it more than crossed my mind. But now that the link between his suppression of homosexual topics and his Nazi sympathies has been made clear, I thought it worth a mention. Haiduc ( talk) 23:07, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
I'd like to encourage everyone to send him a private e-mail via his "Email this User" link on his User page and simply let him know how much we miss him. Something tells me he could probably stand to read that. --David Shankbone 23:21, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
An unregistered user keeps deleting SatyrN's reference for Michael Warner being gay. They give reasons but I'm not sure they have a point - it is referenced after all... I'm thinking of coming out issues. Zigzig20s ( talk) 18:04, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Please see Talk:Christian Vanneste, about challenging the referenced part about homophobic contentions. The user is not providing a reference for his claim, though. Zigzig20s ( talk) 23:16, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
It took me from 9:30 p.m. until 4 a.m. to photoshop and upload photos from last night's protest. The only one I uploaded to WP so far is on Whoopi Goldberg (she is super nice, so cool. Just out with everybody else protesting for civil rights). If you see a photo in particular that you want me to upload for any article, let me know. Here is the Flickr link. I will probably start uploading more over the next few days, but let me know if there's a favorite you have and I'll focus on it.--David Shankbone 15:50, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Went to my local Prop 8 protest yesterday in Jacksonville *cough* You can see part of my arm in the video. When compared to protests in NYC, Chicago, and California, Jax is pretty chuckilicious, but it bears reminding that the Save Our Children campaign brought on the first Pride demonstration in Kansas City in 1977 - consisting of 30 very brave gay folks. -- Moni3 ( talk) 16:29, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi all, I could really use some input: I'm doing a copyedit over at Karl M. Baer, and am not sure what the most suitable pronouns to use in the first section, on his early life as Martha Baer, would be. The article's fairly new, and the original contributor has used "(s)he", but always "his" as the possessive. I want to make sure whatever I do is respectful and appropriate, and thought maybe someone here could give me some tips. Many thanks, Gonzonoir ( talk) 16:03, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
For some unfathomable reason I've become enamored of lesbian kiss episodes of late. I've written a couple of articles and created a chart. First, are there any that I'm missing and b) do y'all think the concept has legs enough to make it as a standalone article or list? Otto4711 ( talk) 00:23, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 15 | ← | Archive 18 | Archive 19 | Archive 20 | Archive 21 | Archive 22 | → | Archive 25 |
“ | The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints quotes David Popenoe who said "gender differentiated parenting is important for human development and that the contribution of fathers to childrearing is unique and irreplaceable" and "that fathers express more concern for the child’s longer-term development, while mothers focus on the child’s immediate well-being". | ” |
The Divine Institution of Marriage
I removed the above from LGBT parenting, I feel it's waaay POV and not really helping anything - the source is alarming as well. I've recently tussled with the same editor about putting LGB=disease-type content on several LGBT articles so I may be over-reacting here. Any thoughts? -- Banjeboi 00:44, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
James Robert Baker is getting a lot of vandalism. Anybody home? SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 02:43, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Just a note that we have a new user whose single purpose seems to be to delete links to the article Gay Village, Montreal. See here. He's been doing at as an anon IP, and now, as a new account. I've been reverting but I myself am officially retired and will not be able to monitor this. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 15:13, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Please visit Ramba (comics) and weigh in. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) ( talk) 04:41, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Would anyone mind checking out Joseph Nicolosi's article? The POV seems too positive. -- Silvestris ( talk) 14:08, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
I came across his name as I was reading Tetu this afternoon...Anyway, I'm finding it hard to add references to improve the article. If anyone wants to help, that'd be cool. Also, is he gay? Zigzig20s ( talk) 16:03, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Outdent. Cameron Scott, I agree with Zigzig20s here, this is an LGBT talk forum where we have to deal with these issues and source LGBT concerns to a profound degree and defend the content continuously. No one is engaging in a fishing trip as much as really trying to figure something out; we're dealing with language and cultural barriers, in this case and often these discussions end up with a well thought out consensus amongst editors who have been through these issues many times before. We're frightfully aware of BLP issues as they are routinely used to erase any aspect of non-heteronormative sexuality off articles. Witness the drama on any number of articles and you'll see that we follow the letter and spirit and do so because it help thwarts vandalism and improves articles. -- Banjeboi 23:29, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Was he the amongst the first well-known out Hollywood celebs? I don't have time to did this one up right now but if he was it should be sourced and contextualized a bit. I don't recall if it was a big deal or not. -- Banjeboi 23:22, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
I have on several occasions added the project banner to articles about persons, LGBT or not, that were central in LGBT-related controversies and that also had LGBT-related categories attached to them, only to see project member(s) remove the LGBT studies project template from the articles' talk pages. I tag articles for a lot of WikiProjects, and I rarely experience a paradox of this kind, which I cannot easily decipher, where a project disowns articles that appear to fit the project's scope. Could perhaps the sections on scope, especially the description of what does not belong to the scope of the project, be made a little clearer/detailed? __ meco ( talk) 09:44, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
(outdent) My concern with "lowering the threshold" is that we get close to the very "speculative" issues mentioned above by User:Cameron Scott in the above discussion. We could get to the point where we include in the project anyone that we think *might* be gay, and that's a) not helpful and b) playing with gossip. Just my opinion. -- SatyrTN ( talk / contribs) 14:22, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
This is a gay street, probably the gayest street in Paris. Could anyone find references pls? I am too busy with tedious Edmund Husserl as per coursework... Zigzig20s ( talk) 18:52, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
I was considering adding it to Paul Cameron, and perhaps to George Alan Rekers. I'm unsure what the wiki-standard for this is, and I don't want to start an edit war, so I thought I'd ask here first. VG ☎ 12:45, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi, my name is Jonathan Ned Katz and I'm the Director of OutHistory.org, a free, not-for-profit, educational, MediaWiki-based website in development about lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and heterosexual history.
I wonder if any of those interested in administering Wikipedia's GLBT History sections and biographies would be interested in helping administer OutHistory? Take a look at the site and see what you think, and let me know. I think there's a need for a separate website devoted exclusively to our history.
The site is being produced by the Center for Lesbian and Gay Studies (CLAGS), an institute of the City University of New York, under a grant from the Arcus Foundation. All the content of the site is provided by volunteers. The only salaried position is the Project Coordinator for OutHistory.
Incidentally, I put a brief description of OutHistory.org on Wikipedia and it was deleted. Should OutHistory.org not have an entry on Wikipedia?
Jonathan Ned Katz
Wrong tag seems to have been added by
User:SatyrBot as lesbian playing by
Alice Roberts included in
Pandora's Box film. Unless anyone can come up with third-party sources, delete this passage.
Britneysaints (
talk)
04:11, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
So, why is Louise Brooks part of the project? Ed Fitzgerald t / c 22:22, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
What do y'all think about merging Category:Sexual orientation and identity into Category:Sexual orientation? Is there a difference between them? -- SatyrTN ( talk / contribs) 16:16, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
After learning that Proposition 8 may have failed yesterday, I kept dreaming last night over and over that its article was full of inaccuracies and blatantly false and POV information, and worse yet - that I hadn't read it to set it right. I checked this morning and it appears to be rather good, actually. Aside from the fact that this clearly indicates I have several neuroses and a buttload of misplaced guilt to overcome, it has some implications. I can't vote in California, but I did get married in August, so I had an interest in seeing this get shot down. Florida Amendment 2 (2008) was, I think, poorly managed in my part of the state and as a result, our constitution was amended to define marriage as ridiculous. The article for Amendment 2 is pretty stinky. I apologize for criticizing when I could do something about it. But that thought of taking on one more thing while I was undertaking Harvey Milk's FA is overwhelming. I'm writing the Save Our Children political campaign right now, which means I have to read three! books authored by Anita Bryant. I need an oxygen tank to survive this.
My feverish dreams indicate I should have been able to do more. But can we do more? Can we use our project to work on political issues like this? Should we or is that POV? Can someone absolve me of my guilt? -- Moni3 ( talk) 17:36, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Has anyone else seen that film? It is on this list [1], yet as Todd Haynes says in a New York Times review [2], the characters can't be said to be gay stricto sensu. There is homoeroticism to be sure, and it would seem that the two men have sex twice, though those scenes are only suggested. What to do? Zigzig20s ( talk) 01:58, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Requesting participation at Stonewall riots#LGBT vs gay, homosexual, etc. Maralia ( talk) 02:11, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi. The Hothead Paisan article was recently tagged as a candidate for speedy deletion on notability grounds, and it could definitely use a few more references. Would anyone be interested in helping improve the article? I'd rather not see it wind up at AfD. Thanks, Kafka Liz ( talk) 16:04, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Should I tag Don DeLillo's Players? The wife spends her time with a homosexual couple; the husband wonders if the terrorist he communicates with is a homosexual or not. It's not a gay novel, though. Zigzig20s ( talk) 12:33, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't we add an 's' at the end of 'Award'? Zigzig20s ( talk) 10:42, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Hector MacDonald is mentioned as homosexual in Neil Bartlett's Who's That Man, page 65. The talk page appears to be controversial. Was he having sex with underage boys or simply with men? Zigzig20s ( talk) 13:56, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone have time to work on the Dublin Castle Affair of 1883-4? Please see [3]. It seems to foreshadow the Cleveland Street Scandal. No mention on the Dublin Castle page. Zigzig20s ( talk) 19:29, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Homosexual transsexual has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Articles are typically reviewed for one week. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here. -- Malkinann ( talk) 23:30, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
In the process of refining the new edition of this article to affirm it's good article status a content dispute has arisen. One editor's stated opinion is that this article is simply about a term used by a minority of sexologist at a canadian gender clinic and nothing more. Another editor claims that this term is just the latest designation for a phenomena that has been observed for ages and given many names in many cultures throughout history. One other editor agree's with the second editor that this article is about a phenomena not a term. That is a majority but not real durable consensus. Please help us reach a real consensus one way or the other. -- Hfarmer ( talk) 04:47, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Does any one else see this template as a bit POV-pushing? -- Banjeboi 18:57, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
I deleted Queers & Allies because it was completely a copy of the website: [4]. I'm posting this notification here in case anyone wants to create a non-copyright violating article. Aleta Sing 22:49, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
I moved a chunky quote from the lede on transsexualism (see it and comment here) - it followed what is presently there. Am I seeing this content correctly? To me it seems inappropriate for the lede but maybe somewhere else? Or is the lede the best spot for it. The reply I got was that I need to chill - all us Californians (apparently where I'm from) do while we fight the Proposition 8 - and not take this so literally. Any insight appreciated. -- Banjeboi 04:14, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
I just asked a bot to deliver the November newsletter, which will be done today I hope. In it are some questions about organization to maximize our efforts. Yes, I admit I'm kinda fired up.
We have an astounding number of articles in our scope. Should we break them into categories, and ask editors to oversee their categorization, and development over a period of months? Seriously - don't you want to be in charge of the Sex and sexuality articles? Should those editors switch off after 3 or 6 months to allow someone new to take over the task?
Current political events | LGBT Media and Literature | LGBT History | Sex and sexuality |
---|---|---|---|
Articles about political issues in the US and around the world that have been especially relevant within the past 5 years | Depictions of LGBT people and issues on television, film, newspapers, magazines | Topics about gay rights activism and the opposition to it | Articles relating to sex and sexuality |
Florida Amendment 2 (2008), California Proposition 8 (2008), E.O. Green School shooting, etc. | The Advocate, Curve (magazine), Washington Blade, Milk (film), Brokeback Mountain, etc. | Moral Majority, ACT UP, Queer Nation, Mattachine Society, Jesse Helms, Jerry Falwell, Mathew Shepard, gay icon, etc. | Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender, sexual and gender expression, etc. |
Is anyone interested in overseeing articles about Current political events? Keeping the talk page updated on the frequent changes to
California Proposition 8 (2008), helping with
Political_positions_of_Barack_Obama#LGBT_issues, building the sad article at
Florida Amendment 2 (2008), and perhaps helping to develop an article on LGBT African Americans? How about something similar to what ZigZig20s and I were talking about up there: 3 or 4 editors to work on making sure the articles are cleaned up and current, relatively free of POV and stuff? --
Moni3 (
talk)
22:47, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Should we attach a level of importance to articles, similar to WP:Novels, to maximize our efforts on the most important articles that need the most work? We could start with the list of LGBT Core Topics.
Specfics:
Moni3's grand vision: in 30 minutes, first thing in the morning. Taking the first 27 articles in the Main category on the LGBT Core Topics list.
Top | High | Mid |
---|---|---|
Article | Rating | Tasks | Time frame |
---|---|---|---|
Homosexuality | B class, former GA | Get participants to agree on consensus to improve writing, clean up citations, images, verify sources | unknown |
Lesbian | B class, closer to C | Expand article, include citations, add details, improve writing | 2 - 3 months |
Bisexuality | B class | Improve writing, clean up citations, images, verify sources | 1 month |
Transgender | B class | Improve writing, clean up citations, images, verify sources | 1 month |
Biology and sexual orientation | B class | Improve writing, clean up citations, images, verify sources | 2 months (sciencey stuff makes me think things take longer) |
Sexual orientation | B class | Improve writing, clean up citations, images, verify sources | 1 - 2 months |
-- Moni3 ( talk) 13:45, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Well? What do you think? -- Moni3 ( talk) 18:11, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
All right, then. What tends to burn you out? All answers are sought. For me, it's (ironically enough since I tend to work alone primarily) feeling like I have to do everything and seeing no progress. -- Moni3 ( talk) 13:47, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
I've done 2 podcasts for copy editing and writing Featured Articles, recorded while working on Skype. Is anyone interested in discussing these issues in real time? Not necessarily for recording purposes, but for discussing? -- Moni3 ( talk) 18:23, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
For the kick in the bohonkus (how do you spell that anyway?)! :) Aleta Sing 21:19, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
I don't necessarily agree with the support for Obama. Anyway, if you watched the VP debate, they both said that prospective candidates supported same-sex rights but rejected gay marriage. I don't see why we should support Obama in our newsletter. (You might say that you use the term 'extraordinary' as in unusual, but it still has a good connotation to it I think.) Please let us not alienate gay Republicans; I think that is important. Zigzig20s ( talk) 21:55, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Considering his official stance on LGBT-related issues and as President with executive authority, Obama is currently our strongest political advocate in the United States. While I agree we can't forget about Gay Republicans, we do have to keep in mind how little influence they have not only within their own camp, but on the country as a whole. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 07:14, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
A new article on this charming individual who authored The Pink Swastika has been created recently, and I had the joyous task of cleaning it up. Still, some more fleshing out definitely needs to be done and I think I've had my fill for awhile. Considering his strident and now international homophobic message, I thought this would be the best place to ask for some help. A ni Mate 09:25, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
I could use another set of eyes on Atlanta Gay Men's Chorus. I ran across it yesterday, and all I see is an advertisement that needs to be deleted. Could someone else look at it and see if it can be salvaged? -- SatyrTN ( talk / contribs) 18:37, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
According to the stub LGBT rights in the Solomon Islands, there does not appear to be any such thing as LGBT rights. Are people fighting there for them? If not, is there a more appropriate name we can use, like "LGBT legislation in..." or something? Aleta Sing 22:18, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Those in the project who have taken an interest in this aspect of gay history will be pleased to know that the "individuals" who caused a great deal of the problems (Soulfare, Costagne, etc.) were nothing other than socks of DavidYork71, a user with fascist affinities. Until now I refrained from pointing out the similarity between what was happening to the pederasty articles and what happened to the Hirschfeld archives, though it more than crossed my mind. But now that the link between his suppression of homosexual topics and his Nazi sympathies has been made clear, I thought it worth a mention. Haiduc ( talk) 23:07, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
I'd like to encourage everyone to send him a private e-mail via his "Email this User" link on his User page and simply let him know how much we miss him. Something tells me he could probably stand to read that. --David Shankbone 23:21, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
An unregistered user keeps deleting SatyrN's reference for Michael Warner being gay. They give reasons but I'm not sure they have a point - it is referenced after all... I'm thinking of coming out issues. Zigzig20s ( talk) 18:04, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Please see Talk:Christian Vanneste, about challenging the referenced part about homophobic contentions. The user is not providing a reference for his claim, though. Zigzig20s ( talk) 23:16, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
It took me from 9:30 p.m. until 4 a.m. to photoshop and upload photos from last night's protest. The only one I uploaded to WP so far is on Whoopi Goldberg (she is super nice, so cool. Just out with everybody else protesting for civil rights). If you see a photo in particular that you want me to upload for any article, let me know. Here is the Flickr link. I will probably start uploading more over the next few days, but let me know if there's a favorite you have and I'll focus on it.--David Shankbone 15:50, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Went to my local Prop 8 protest yesterday in Jacksonville *cough* You can see part of my arm in the video. When compared to protests in NYC, Chicago, and California, Jax is pretty chuckilicious, but it bears reminding that the Save Our Children campaign brought on the first Pride demonstration in Kansas City in 1977 - consisting of 30 very brave gay folks. -- Moni3 ( talk) 16:29, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi all, I could really use some input: I'm doing a copyedit over at Karl M. Baer, and am not sure what the most suitable pronouns to use in the first section, on his early life as Martha Baer, would be. The article's fairly new, and the original contributor has used "(s)he", but always "his" as the possessive. I want to make sure whatever I do is respectful and appropriate, and thought maybe someone here could give me some tips. Many thanks, Gonzonoir ( talk) 16:03, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
For some unfathomable reason I've become enamored of lesbian kiss episodes of late. I've written a couple of articles and created a chart. First, are there any that I'm missing and b) do y'all think the concept has legs enough to make it as a standalone article or list? Otto4711 ( talk) 00:23, 18 November 2008 (UTC)