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Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Request for review: Consistant misattribution of cited sources And if you look at my talk page, you'll see that both Haiduc and I have been threatened with blocks if we continue our participation in a way that Brenneman consideres unhelpful. It goes without saying that I am shocked to my core that on the ANI discussion I am insinuated as trying to advance a pro-pedophilia agenda. On Haiduc's talk page, Brenneman actually implies that i can be banned for continuing as I have (though I repeat: I feel I have been civil throughout this controversy) My God, people! These are dangerous times to edit controversial articles, or even speak out about them in the discussion threads. Jeffpw ( talk) 12:26, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
A little further up, the suggestion was made by Crimsone to add a little text to the project tag making it clear that, happy-looking rainbow flag notwithstanding, the tag appearing on an article's talk page does not mean "This article is about something the gays think is awesome." The suggestion had mildly positive response, but didn't go anywhere. I think it's a good idea. Can I add the sentence to the template? It is:
Dybryd ( talk) 16:50, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
I've already made my objection over at the template talk page. This does seem to me to be a disclaimer, but in any case I think there are problems with making such a statement. What is meant by "LGBT support or objection", exactly? All articles tagged with this banner are "supported" by this project. No article on Wikipedia needs the "support or objection" of a wider group of people. IMO, the current wording of the template already makes it clear that the article simply falls with in the scope of this WikiProject. Perhaps it does need something, though, but I really don't think that such a heavy-handed statement is eithe helpful nor warranted. PC78 ( talk) 19:16, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
There has been some evil behaviour removing LGBT categories from Arthur C. Clarke and locking the article. What can/should be done about that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Toward500 ( talk • contribs)
I have opened an RfC at Talk:Stewie Griffin#Categorization: request for comment which is relevant to this project. Any thoughts on the matter at hand would be appreciated. Aleta Sing 22:10, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
the article, 2008 Knoxville Unitarian Universalist church shooting? Hatred of liberals and gays are among the reasons given for this shooting. Aleta Sing 00:06, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Would you guys considor hetroflexibility to be a phase or continue into homosexuality more instead of heterosexuality? I just want some feedback and opinions on this issue, if you would kindly. Thanks. -- eric (mailbox) 02:25, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2008_July_27#Category:Modern_pederasty. Banjeboi 23:30, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
I need help moving Category:Fictional transgendered people to Category:Fictional transgender people - changing transgendered to simply transgender. Banjeboi 16:55, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Thomas Disch was a science fiction writer and a poet. He was also gay. He took his own life on July 4th or 5th, 2008 (the reliable sources disagree) at age 68. His lover of some 30 years, Charles Naylor, died in 2005 after a long struggle with cancer. His Manhattan landlord was evicting him because he was not on the lease. This is another example of the lack of equal protection for non heteronormative relationships. Had they been legally married, the apartment would have been a safe haven. Or so it looks to me.
If one wants to read what is considered his best novel, I recommend reading On Wings of Song (1979), which is apparently more gay influenced than the others. I loved it.
Another reason for posting this. Many of the LGBT articles/issues that get listed on this page are because of conflict, where, for example, there are attempts to whitewash a notable person's sexuality. This article is a good example of a bio that treats the sexuality as an intrinsic part of a person's life, but not the most important part. It is also the way Disch treated it himself. I think it's good to look at LGBT articles that are not battlegrounds every once in a while, as an grounding experience. Otherwise, as Pat Benatar sang, Love Is a Battlefield.
— Becksguy ( talk) 21:53, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
I've finally opened a ANI thread on a persistent editor who has been trying to insert several paragraphs, now trimmed a bit, but still a whole section on the Jim Jones cult People's Temple into Harvey Milk. The RfC has shown little support for this content with WP:UNDUE being the biggest concern. I would appreciate other input on the RfC and eyes on the article as I've already removed the content several times. Banjeboi 05:48, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
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I'm not a member of this project (by which I mean I've never contributed here before) I but ran into something I'm not knowledgeable about so I'm passing it to those editors here. I got into a rather odd (and extremely minor) little reversion exchange on the article for Neil Patrick Harris as an editor felt it important to link the phrase "openly gay" to the article Closeted. To my mind the terms are essentially opposites so I reverted a couple of times, but seems if there's any confusion it's on the part of wikipedia.
The editor brought to my attention that both openly and openly gay automatically redirect to the Closeted article since there is no current article specifically on openness in regards to sexuality (and Closeted at least has an explanation of related terminology). My concern is in misuse and misunderstanding of the wikilink in articles since the word on the screen points to an article title that is a direct antonym.
Not sure how to "fix" this, and for that matter I'm not sure if this needs fixing necessarily, but strikes me that editors here may have some thoughts or ideas. Possibly it's as simple as redirecting those terms to a more appropriate article (or perhaps just leaving it alone as is). Hope I'm not cluttering up your space with this. - Markeer 05:07, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Can someone tell me what a "flame queen" and a "scare queen" is? -- Moni3 ( talk) 22:21, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
(Copied from Moni3's sandbox, where I was playing around) The removal of WP:LGBT from talk pages has to be taken care of somehow. What I propose is a statement that explains why the article is tagged and what function the tag serves for WP:LGBT. This is a draft of what can be used as a reference in future disputes over the removal of WP:LGBT templates on talk pages. I'm not sure where it should be placed for now. Suggestions regarding that can be given below.
The WP:LGBT studies project is interested only in improving accuracy in articles concerning LGBTI people, culture, history, and related subjects. Intersex people are also included as many issues concerning intersex people, who are gender minorities, also concern LGBT issues. Our project aims to serve as a resource for any aspect of LGBT culture, history, and academia on any article but the following guidelines are applicable for those that are tagged with the project's template. If unsure please message on the project's talk page for assistance.
Criteria for adding the WP:LGBT template on talk pages consists of one or a combination of the following:
In all cases, the focus needs to stay on improving articles.
Functions of the WP:LGBT templates on talk pages:
Please feel free to strike through, add, or change language in what's above.
<-- Moni as far as your sentence I think the editors who have contended the LGBT template did not belong were assuming the project as insisting that if there were rumors, Crist must be gay. However, I was trying to state (I don't know how successful I was) that we are as interested in accuracy to ensure that sexual orientation is not used as political leverage goes, you've at the very least convinced me. So, you were successful. The criteria will help, I'm feeling very positive about all this. Keeper ǀ 76 01:18, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
This topic has now been placed at the Village Pump.
Outdent. The tag could, and has, gone on articles about a TV show or reality show with LGBT characters and subtext. generally I feel we should be a resource so if Danny had his own page then certainly; if it was to the Real World series for that year then probably also so as it was major news and a major storyline. At the end of the day it's about can we be called in to help explain LGBT culture, history, dynamics, etc. to improve the article. Banjeboi 00:21, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
<----------> Maybe these statements aare supposed to only be about the project tag, but number 7 does not read that way to me: If the LGBTI identity of the subject becomes controversial, especially in regards to WP:BLP articles, consensus for what action to take should be sought from the project. To me, this says if the identity of the article subject is controversially LGBT(I), then ask us what to do and we'll tell you where to sti- uh, get the idea? If these statements are supposed to be about the TAG, perhaps it can read: "If the article subject's association with LGBTI becomes controversial, especially in regards to WP:BLP articles, consensus for proper placement of the wikiproject tag should be sought from the project." Zue Jay ( talk) 03:36, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Some thoughts, one related to Jay's comment: #7 seems to read "presume that all articles that might be tagged should be tagged unless otherwise determined." A lot of the concerns about project tagging in general seem to focus on over-tagging of articles. The default status for any project, in my opinion, should always be "do not tag." If it is obvious or there is consensus to do so, then go for it. This came up on WP:MED a while back, when someone was suggesting tagging all possible related articles. The consensus was that topics in biology and chemistry that were applicable to medicine were nevertheless outside the scope of the project. The paleontology people already grumble that they can't write a decent article about protostomes because certain anatomical features are written as medical articles. SDY ( talk) 22:55, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
I've been away for a few days and I've come back to find that the new criteria (above) for articles being tagged for this project systematically excludes the articles that I've done the most work on, because they are about aspects of transgender presentation. I'm talking about things like cleavage enhancement, hip and buttock padding and buttock augmentation. Yes, these articles are, to some extent, applicable to non-transgender people, but we are the people to whom these are most relevant. I've created some articles simply because TG people asked me in forums etc where they could find the information and it didn't exist in wikipedia. Have we now decided that this project is not interested in articles that are directly relevant to the people that we are nominally supposed to be representing? -- AliceJMarkham ( talk) 01:26, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Without SatyrTN's bot, it's more difficult to recognize when templates are being removed from articles. Benjiboi suggested someone should take up the bot slack by learning how to run one to watch for template removal, article assessment, etc. Thoughts? -- Moni3 ( talk) 21:54, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
I think it's better to have LGBT people from Great Britain as this is the name of a country which includes the home nations. On the whole it is kless political, otherwise for Germany, you can separate them into gay people from Bavaria etc. Kramer John ( talk) 15:57, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
(I originally wrote this on a user's talk page. Somebody other than that user suggested I ask here.)
Can somebody point me to the LGBT Guidelines for stating whether or not an individual was gay/bisexual? I'm writing a biography of an individual who died in the early sixties. I haven't located any reliable third party sources about his sexuality. In one book he wrote, he claimed to be homosexual. That book was published under a pseudonym that was used only for that book. In the material he published under his usual pseudonyms, his only statements about homosexuality, are extremely hostile and negative. jonathon ( talk) 01:27, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Does Namsadang fit into the purview of our project? User:Caspian blue is arguing on my talk page that it does. But the article says nothing about sexuality at all. Please review it and my talk page and let me know if I'm just being pigheaded? -- SatyrTN ( talk / contribs) 03:07, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
FYI, initiated by the same editor who removed the tag from Talk:Charlie Crist Agne Cheese/ Wine 07:37, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Please see: User talk:Jeffpw#My brother Jeff right away. Aleta Sing 23:15, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Can someone take on watching James Robert Baker, and something has to be done with the {{ maintained}} template on the talk page. I can't bring myself to remove it. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 19:31, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
I've added my name. I'm no expert on the individual, but I'll keep an eye on the article and if additional sources are needs I can check out a book from my college library or look up info on one of several online databases for students. I notice it was promoted back in 2006- Sandy, are you sure it is still FA? I only ask because if it is going to be one of Today's Featured Articles it should be as polished as possible. If everyone agrees, I'll nominate it myself. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 00:09, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
If anyone is interested, I'd like to try attacking the LGBT category structure again. Please join me at WT:LGBT/CAT. -- SatyrTN ( talk / contribs) 03:13, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
I rewrote the article for Stonewall riots and I'm asking for a Wiki-wide PR. I would like this article to go to FA to appear on the main page June 28, 2009 - the 40th anniversary of Stonewall. So - bring it on, kids. Scrutiny about POV, citations, prose, etc.
I hope you guys enjoy it. I was thinking about this wikiproject the entire time I wrote it. -- Moni3 ( talk) 17:13, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
In response to the discussion and attempted removal of the LGBT project on Talk:Larry Craig, I've suggested starting a Village Pump thread about this new interpretation of WP:BLP. While the LGBT project tag has been the subject of numerous Village Pump threads, I don't think any of them really got to the heart of the matter in what exactly it implies when an editors says that any project tag on an article's talk page is a BLP violation. I'm not sure if Protonk will take up my suggestion but if he doesn't, someone else may want to because this does seem to be a recurring issue that needs some concrete community consensus. Agne Cheese/ Wine 21:11, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
There's a rather lengthy debate going on on Homosexuality (which appears to be undergoing a complete overhaul) about almost all sections of the article. This has recently resulted in a large portion of the information being moved to a new article titled Homosexual orientation, in an effort to reduce the bloating. This strikes me as utterly bizarre and unnecessary. Notice that there are no Heterosexual orientation or Bisexual orientation articles, yet we already have an article on Sexual orientation as well as one on Sexual identity. Exploding Boy ( talk) 16:17, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Portal:Feminism has had a lot of changes and work recently and is currently up for portal peer review. Comments would be appreciated at Wikipedia:Portal peer review/Feminism/archive1. Thank you, Cirt ( talk) 23:39, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Howdy all, I've just rewritten and expanded the Same-sex marriage in New Mexico article, adding numerous source references. (More could be written there, but I don't have time to research the whole history of the issue in that state.) While it's true that NM marriage statutes neither condone nor prohibit same-sex marriage, I've been unable to find any source that says an SSM obtained in another place has been officially recognized in New Mexico.
Thus, I feel the template is incorrect, and NM should be removed from the section "Foreign Marriages Recognized." Seems as if no one has yet gotten hitched out of state and come back to challenge it there.
I'm posting this on the LGBT Project talk page because the talk page for the template seems to be little used. Can anyone verify by reputable source(s) whether NM has ever officially honored an out-of-state same-sex marriage? If not, let's fix that template. Textorus ( talk) 21:22, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Any comments at Wikipedia:Peer review/Leonardo da Vinci/archive3 would be most appreciated. It's a vital article, so it would be nice to get as many views as possible. Thanks. Papa November ( talk) 08:24, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
There is an ongoing discussion about renaming homosexuality and bisexuality in animals to homosexual behavior in animals. Please feel free to offer your comments! — Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 14:58, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
The article on John Nathan-Turner, the late former Doctor Who producer is labelled as part of this project, which, AIUI is set up to cover LGBT issues. Although JNT made no secret of his sexuality, neither did he publicise it, nor was it a relevant part of his work in television. I am proposing therefore to remove the banner as I do not believe he comes within the scope of this project. DavidFarmbrough ( talk) 11:31, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
The Transgender portal needs some content added. There's some there now, but not as much as there should be.
(Cross-posted to the Gender Studies wikiproject.) -- Alynna ( talk) 22:46, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Since we periodically have a discussion like the one on outing above, and since our "guidelines" on identification / categorization have been brought up several times and been massaged a bit, I thought it might be time to actually add them to the WP:LGBT Guidelines. They are now on the front page of the project: Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies#Guidelines, which can be edited on it's subpage: Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies/Guidelines. If you have any issues on that to discuss, we might want to do it here, though, since that's a bit hidden. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SatyrTN ( talk • contribs) 2008 August 18
Hi! I'm curious what others think about the new Category:LGBT topics in the San Francisco Bay Area. This may be the first of its kind, and I'm wondering if it's wise? A bit broad? Long overdue? What are others' thoughts? -- SatyrTN ( talk / contribs) 19:23, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
yeah i created it since i noticed that for example there were categories linking gay villages ("gay villages") and LGBT people and books, but not articles by geography or by region, i thought this would be a good idea to link them and picked a title i thought was fitting and followed the category jargon. perhaps general category needs to be created: Articles on LGBT topics, then LGBT topics by Country, State/Provice, then region. what do you think? Honestly i was just trying to improve and pattern upon the many ...in/of the San Francisco Bay Area categories. MY♥INchile 23:53, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Request for review: Consistant misattribution of cited sources And if you look at my talk page, you'll see that both Haiduc and I have been threatened with blocks if we continue our participation in a way that Brenneman consideres unhelpful. It goes without saying that I am shocked to my core that on the ANI discussion I am insinuated as trying to advance a pro-pedophilia agenda. On Haiduc's talk page, Brenneman actually implies that i can be banned for continuing as I have (though I repeat: I feel I have been civil throughout this controversy) My God, people! These are dangerous times to edit controversial articles, or even speak out about them in the discussion threads. Jeffpw ( talk) 12:26, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
A little further up, the suggestion was made by Crimsone to add a little text to the project tag making it clear that, happy-looking rainbow flag notwithstanding, the tag appearing on an article's talk page does not mean "This article is about something the gays think is awesome." The suggestion had mildly positive response, but didn't go anywhere. I think it's a good idea. Can I add the sentence to the template? It is:
Dybryd ( talk) 16:50, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
I've already made my objection over at the template talk page. This does seem to me to be a disclaimer, but in any case I think there are problems with making such a statement. What is meant by "LGBT support or objection", exactly? All articles tagged with this banner are "supported" by this project. No article on Wikipedia needs the "support or objection" of a wider group of people. IMO, the current wording of the template already makes it clear that the article simply falls with in the scope of this WikiProject. Perhaps it does need something, though, but I really don't think that such a heavy-handed statement is eithe helpful nor warranted. PC78 ( talk) 19:16, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
There has been some evil behaviour removing LGBT categories from Arthur C. Clarke and locking the article. What can/should be done about that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Toward500 ( talk • contribs)
I have opened an RfC at Talk:Stewie Griffin#Categorization: request for comment which is relevant to this project. Any thoughts on the matter at hand would be appreciated. Aleta Sing 22:10, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
the article, 2008 Knoxville Unitarian Universalist church shooting? Hatred of liberals and gays are among the reasons given for this shooting. Aleta Sing 00:06, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Would you guys considor hetroflexibility to be a phase or continue into homosexuality more instead of heterosexuality? I just want some feedback and opinions on this issue, if you would kindly. Thanks. -- eric (mailbox) 02:25, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2008_July_27#Category:Modern_pederasty. Banjeboi 23:30, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
I need help moving Category:Fictional transgendered people to Category:Fictional transgender people - changing transgendered to simply transgender. Banjeboi 16:55, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Thomas Disch was a science fiction writer and a poet. He was also gay. He took his own life on July 4th or 5th, 2008 (the reliable sources disagree) at age 68. His lover of some 30 years, Charles Naylor, died in 2005 after a long struggle with cancer. His Manhattan landlord was evicting him because he was not on the lease. This is another example of the lack of equal protection for non heteronormative relationships. Had they been legally married, the apartment would have been a safe haven. Or so it looks to me.
If one wants to read what is considered his best novel, I recommend reading On Wings of Song (1979), which is apparently more gay influenced than the others. I loved it.
Another reason for posting this. Many of the LGBT articles/issues that get listed on this page are because of conflict, where, for example, there are attempts to whitewash a notable person's sexuality. This article is a good example of a bio that treats the sexuality as an intrinsic part of a person's life, but not the most important part. It is also the way Disch treated it himself. I think it's good to look at LGBT articles that are not battlegrounds every once in a while, as an grounding experience. Otherwise, as Pat Benatar sang, Love Is a Battlefield.
— Becksguy ( talk) 21:53, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
I've finally opened a ANI thread on a persistent editor who has been trying to insert several paragraphs, now trimmed a bit, but still a whole section on the Jim Jones cult People's Temple into Harvey Milk. The RfC has shown little support for this content with WP:UNDUE being the biggest concern. I would appreciate other input on the RfC and eyes on the article as I've already removed the content several times. Banjeboi 05:48, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
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I'm not a member of this project (by which I mean I've never contributed here before) I but ran into something I'm not knowledgeable about so I'm passing it to those editors here. I got into a rather odd (and extremely minor) little reversion exchange on the article for Neil Patrick Harris as an editor felt it important to link the phrase "openly gay" to the article Closeted. To my mind the terms are essentially opposites so I reverted a couple of times, but seems if there's any confusion it's on the part of wikipedia.
The editor brought to my attention that both openly and openly gay automatically redirect to the Closeted article since there is no current article specifically on openness in regards to sexuality (and Closeted at least has an explanation of related terminology). My concern is in misuse and misunderstanding of the wikilink in articles since the word on the screen points to an article title that is a direct antonym.
Not sure how to "fix" this, and for that matter I'm not sure if this needs fixing necessarily, but strikes me that editors here may have some thoughts or ideas. Possibly it's as simple as redirecting those terms to a more appropriate article (or perhaps just leaving it alone as is). Hope I'm not cluttering up your space with this. - Markeer 05:07, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Can someone tell me what a "flame queen" and a "scare queen" is? -- Moni3 ( talk) 22:21, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
(Copied from Moni3's sandbox, where I was playing around) The removal of WP:LGBT from talk pages has to be taken care of somehow. What I propose is a statement that explains why the article is tagged and what function the tag serves for WP:LGBT. This is a draft of what can be used as a reference in future disputes over the removal of WP:LGBT templates on talk pages. I'm not sure where it should be placed for now. Suggestions regarding that can be given below.
The WP:LGBT studies project is interested only in improving accuracy in articles concerning LGBTI people, culture, history, and related subjects. Intersex people are also included as many issues concerning intersex people, who are gender minorities, also concern LGBT issues. Our project aims to serve as a resource for any aspect of LGBT culture, history, and academia on any article but the following guidelines are applicable for those that are tagged with the project's template. If unsure please message on the project's talk page for assistance.
Criteria for adding the WP:LGBT template on talk pages consists of one or a combination of the following:
In all cases, the focus needs to stay on improving articles.
Functions of the WP:LGBT templates on talk pages:
Please feel free to strike through, add, or change language in what's above.
<-- Moni as far as your sentence I think the editors who have contended the LGBT template did not belong were assuming the project as insisting that if there were rumors, Crist must be gay. However, I was trying to state (I don't know how successful I was) that we are as interested in accuracy to ensure that sexual orientation is not used as political leverage goes, you've at the very least convinced me. So, you were successful. The criteria will help, I'm feeling very positive about all this. Keeper ǀ 76 01:18, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
This topic has now been placed at the Village Pump.
Outdent. The tag could, and has, gone on articles about a TV show or reality show with LGBT characters and subtext. generally I feel we should be a resource so if Danny had his own page then certainly; if it was to the Real World series for that year then probably also so as it was major news and a major storyline. At the end of the day it's about can we be called in to help explain LGBT culture, history, dynamics, etc. to improve the article. Banjeboi 00:21, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
<----------> Maybe these statements aare supposed to only be about the project tag, but number 7 does not read that way to me: If the LGBTI identity of the subject becomes controversial, especially in regards to WP:BLP articles, consensus for what action to take should be sought from the project. To me, this says if the identity of the article subject is controversially LGBT(I), then ask us what to do and we'll tell you where to sti- uh, get the idea? If these statements are supposed to be about the TAG, perhaps it can read: "If the article subject's association with LGBTI becomes controversial, especially in regards to WP:BLP articles, consensus for proper placement of the wikiproject tag should be sought from the project." Zue Jay ( talk) 03:36, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Some thoughts, one related to Jay's comment: #7 seems to read "presume that all articles that might be tagged should be tagged unless otherwise determined." A lot of the concerns about project tagging in general seem to focus on over-tagging of articles. The default status for any project, in my opinion, should always be "do not tag." If it is obvious or there is consensus to do so, then go for it. This came up on WP:MED a while back, when someone was suggesting tagging all possible related articles. The consensus was that topics in biology and chemistry that were applicable to medicine were nevertheless outside the scope of the project. The paleontology people already grumble that they can't write a decent article about protostomes because certain anatomical features are written as medical articles. SDY ( talk) 22:55, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
I've been away for a few days and I've come back to find that the new criteria (above) for articles being tagged for this project systematically excludes the articles that I've done the most work on, because they are about aspects of transgender presentation. I'm talking about things like cleavage enhancement, hip and buttock padding and buttock augmentation. Yes, these articles are, to some extent, applicable to non-transgender people, but we are the people to whom these are most relevant. I've created some articles simply because TG people asked me in forums etc where they could find the information and it didn't exist in wikipedia. Have we now decided that this project is not interested in articles that are directly relevant to the people that we are nominally supposed to be representing? -- AliceJMarkham ( talk) 01:26, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Without SatyrTN's bot, it's more difficult to recognize when templates are being removed from articles. Benjiboi suggested someone should take up the bot slack by learning how to run one to watch for template removal, article assessment, etc. Thoughts? -- Moni3 ( talk) 21:54, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
I think it's better to have LGBT people from Great Britain as this is the name of a country which includes the home nations. On the whole it is kless political, otherwise for Germany, you can separate them into gay people from Bavaria etc. Kramer John ( talk) 15:57, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
(I originally wrote this on a user's talk page. Somebody other than that user suggested I ask here.)
Can somebody point me to the LGBT Guidelines for stating whether or not an individual was gay/bisexual? I'm writing a biography of an individual who died in the early sixties. I haven't located any reliable third party sources about his sexuality. In one book he wrote, he claimed to be homosexual. That book was published under a pseudonym that was used only for that book. In the material he published under his usual pseudonyms, his only statements about homosexuality, are extremely hostile and negative. jonathon ( talk) 01:27, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Does Namsadang fit into the purview of our project? User:Caspian blue is arguing on my talk page that it does. But the article says nothing about sexuality at all. Please review it and my talk page and let me know if I'm just being pigheaded? -- SatyrTN ( talk / contribs) 03:07, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
FYI, initiated by the same editor who removed the tag from Talk:Charlie Crist Agne Cheese/ Wine 07:37, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Please see: User talk:Jeffpw#My brother Jeff right away. Aleta Sing 23:15, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Can someone take on watching James Robert Baker, and something has to be done with the {{ maintained}} template on the talk page. I can't bring myself to remove it. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 19:31, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
I've added my name. I'm no expert on the individual, but I'll keep an eye on the article and if additional sources are needs I can check out a book from my college library or look up info on one of several online databases for students. I notice it was promoted back in 2006- Sandy, are you sure it is still FA? I only ask because if it is going to be one of Today's Featured Articles it should be as polished as possible. If everyone agrees, I'll nominate it myself. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 00:09, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
If anyone is interested, I'd like to try attacking the LGBT category structure again. Please join me at WT:LGBT/CAT. -- SatyrTN ( talk / contribs) 03:13, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
I rewrote the article for Stonewall riots and I'm asking for a Wiki-wide PR. I would like this article to go to FA to appear on the main page June 28, 2009 - the 40th anniversary of Stonewall. So - bring it on, kids. Scrutiny about POV, citations, prose, etc.
I hope you guys enjoy it. I was thinking about this wikiproject the entire time I wrote it. -- Moni3 ( talk) 17:13, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
In response to the discussion and attempted removal of the LGBT project on Talk:Larry Craig, I've suggested starting a Village Pump thread about this new interpretation of WP:BLP. While the LGBT project tag has been the subject of numerous Village Pump threads, I don't think any of them really got to the heart of the matter in what exactly it implies when an editors says that any project tag on an article's talk page is a BLP violation. I'm not sure if Protonk will take up my suggestion but if he doesn't, someone else may want to because this does seem to be a recurring issue that needs some concrete community consensus. Agne Cheese/ Wine 21:11, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
There's a rather lengthy debate going on on Homosexuality (which appears to be undergoing a complete overhaul) about almost all sections of the article. This has recently resulted in a large portion of the information being moved to a new article titled Homosexual orientation, in an effort to reduce the bloating. This strikes me as utterly bizarre and unnecessary. Notice that there are no Heterosexual orientation or Bisexual orientation articles, yet we already have an article on Sexual orientation as well as one on Sexual identity. Exploding Boy ( talk) 16:17, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Portal:Feminism has had a lot of changes and work recently and is currently up for portal peer review. Comments would be appreciated at Wikipedia:Portal peer review/Feminism/archive1. Thank you, Cirt ( talk) 23:39, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Howdy all, I've just rewritten and expanded the Same-sex marriage in New Mexico article, adding numerous source references. (More could be written there, but I don't have time to research the whole history of the issue in that state.) While it's true that NM marriage statutes neither condone nor prohibit same-sex marriage, I've been unable to find any source that says an SSM obtained in another place has been officially recognized in New Mexico.
Thus, I feel the template is incorrect, and NM should be removed from the section "Foreign Marriages Recognized." Seems as if no one has yet gotten hitched out of state and come back to challenge it there.
I'm posting this on the LGBT Project talk page because the talk page for the template seems to be little used. Can anyone verify by reputable source(s) whether NM has ever officially honored an out-of-state same-sex marriage? If not, let's fix that template. Textorus ( talk) 21:22, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Any comments at Wikipedia:Peer review/Leonardo da Vinci/archive3 would be most appreciated. It's a vital article, so it would be nice to get as many views as possible. Thanks. Papa November ( talk) 08:24, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
There is an ongoing discussion about renaming homosexuality and bisexuality in animals to homosexual behavior in animals. Please feel free to offer your comments! — Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 14:58, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
The article on John Nathan-Turner, the late former Doctor Who producer is labelled as part of this project, which, AIUI is set up to cover LGBT issues. Although JNT made no secret of his sexuality, neither did he publicise it, nor was it a relevant part of his work in television. I am proposing therefore to remove the banner as I do not believe he comes within the scope of this project. DavidFarmbrough ( talk) 11:31, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
The Transgender portal needs some content added. There's some there now, but not as much as there should be.
(Cross-posted to the Gender Studies wikiproject.) -- Alynna ( talk) 22:46, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Since we periodically have a discussion like the one on outing above, and since our "guidelines" on identification / categorization have been brought up several times and been massaged a bit, I thought it might be time to actually add them to the WP:LGBT Guidelines. They are now on the front page of the project: Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies#Guidelines, which can be edited on it's subpage: Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies/Guidelines. If you have any issues on that to discuss, we might want to do it here, though, since that's a bit hidden. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SatyrTN ( talk • contribs) 2008 August 18
Hi! I'm curious what others think about the new Category:LGBT topics in the San Francisco Bay Area. This may be the first of its kind, and I'm wondering if it's wise? A bit broad? Long overdue? What are others' thoughts? -- SatyrTN ( talk / contribs) 19:23, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
yeah i created it since i noticed that for example there were categories linking gay villages ("gay villages") and LGBT people and books, but not articles by geography or by region, i thought this would be a good idea to link them and picked a title i thought was fitting and followed the category jargon. perhaps general category needs to be created: Articles on LGBT topics, then LGBT topics by Country, State/Provice, then region. what do you think? Honestly i was just trying to improve and pattern upon the many ...in/of the San Francisco Bay Area categories. MY♥INchile 23:53, 18 August 2008 (UTC)