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There seems to be an edit war going on, on the article on Rav Shach, between User:Jayjg and User:Winchester2313. Please see Talk:Elazar Shach if you can help. Nerguy ( talk) 19:24, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
I have just created an article in mainspace titled Jewish views of wealth and poverty. Suggestions for improvement are welcomed at the Talk Page. Or just be bold and edit the article directly. Thanx. -- Pseudo-Richard ( talk) 15:17, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
OK... so Jayjg sent the article back to the drawing board (by moving it back to my userspace) for some rework. I've reworked it somewhat but the reason that I'm moving it back to article mainspace is that I've taken it about as far as I can on my own and I would like to solicit the help of other editors in improving it. I removed the content contributed by Noleander, expanded the article to discuss Jewish views towards charity and welfare thus motivating a change in title to Jewish views of poverty, wealth and charity.
I would really like to ask people to read the article and look at the references before vomiting all over it. I think the rewritten article does say something substantial and, taken together with Christian views on poverty and wealth, actually provides some insights. (Well, they were insights to me, anyway.) The key thing that I took away from researching and writing these two articles is that, perhaps one reason that Christians thought Jews were greedy is that there is a strong strain of Christianity that holds up poverty as an ideal and wealth as evil whereas such notions are kind of alien to Judaism. Judaism seems to be much less conflicted about wealth as long as it does not oppress the poor or lead to arrogance. Judaism calls upon wealthy people to care for the poor but does not castigate them just for being wealthy. Another insight that I gained from reading Lifshitz was that coerced charity in the form of communal welfare is a concept that is rooted in the Talmudic times whereas it is a relatively recent invention in Western societies (late 19th century). Thus, communal charity is a very strong part of Jewish society (for example, American Jews are the largest donors to charity in the U.S.). The issue also leads to a continuing heated debate about the extent of the welfare state in Israel.
@Jfdwolff: It's true that the sources used are "minor". They are arguably even more "minor" than Noleander's were. This is an unfortunate consequence of my using Google Books as my primary research tool. Can you improve the article by using better sources? I would appreciate the help.
@Chesdovi: Please re-read the article. The original article was never as POV as your comment suggested. The rewritten article is even less so.
-- Pseudo-Richard ( talk) 03:04, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
Guys, please can we have some input over at the cfd on Category:Talmud rabbis of the Land of Israel. Sefira tonight is 16. Gut Chodesh. Chesdovi ( talk) 20:48, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
Please note the following:
Thank you, IZAK ( talk) 09:48, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
I have reverted some edits of User:Chesdovi recently, which resulted in this WP:ANI case.
One of the edits is this sick edit, which shocked me by its antisemitic POV. Please see a few more examples of things that need to be fixed.
In addition, I think it is about time this WikiProject take note of the subject for which the WP:ANI case was opened, since I feel a little like a lone voice in the wilderness in my arguments with Chesdovi, who - as I just now found out - has a history of quite a few blocks in connection with WP:ARBPIA. Debresser ( talk) 21:43, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
I agree that the statement that the rabbi was a Palestinian is problematic. Due to the current meaning of the term, we should be very careful before applying it. This doesn't seem like a case where it's necessary. — Ynhockey ( Talk) 19:30, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
Note: An Rfc has been opened on Category_talk:16th-century_Palestinian_rabbis closely related to this issue. Debresser ( talk) 13:26, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi all, I am reviewing the city of Białystok for GA status and it needs sourcing - this has been removed and I wondered if anyone thought it sourceable and notable? Old-country heritage and all that? If anyone does and can source it, great. If folks think not notable then no big deal. My knowledge of the subject matter is minimal. Casliber ( talk · contribs) 00:26, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Furthermore - more content at Białystok and History of Białystok wopuld be very helpful, if anyone has any. Casliber ( talk · contribs) 00:27, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Please see:
--- Chesdovi ( talk) 18:22, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
--- Chesdovi ( talk) 11:44, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
The maps on Template:Palestinian nationalism, although countered by Template:Jewish nationalism and the region of Palestine, seem problematic, as it is lifted from images used on website such as [1]. Chesdovi ( talk) 16:23, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
I have created a new article titled Port Jew. Apparently, this was a hot topic in Judaic social studies a few years back. I've only provided a very high-level summary of what the concept of a Port Jew is. If you can help expand the article, it would be much appreciated. Also, if you can suggest articles that should link to it, that would be great, too. -- Pseudo-Richard ( talk) 05:08, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Discussion has arisen at Talk:Ed Miliband#Ethnicity in infobox regarding whether or not Ed Miliband is a Jew; knowledgeable views would be appreciated. Jayjg (talk) 00:51, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Please note the following:
Thank you, IZAK ( talk) 09:53, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
Regarding the statements mentioned above regarding notifying specific editors, this strikes me as strange. Now people are supposed to figure out which editors are notable and notify them? It is good to know that editors are open to requests on their talk pages, but if they cannot be bothered to check the project page every few days, that is their problem. The idea of an "elect" group of editors (and I note at least one prolific editor not listed) is against everything Wikipedia stands for. Mzk1 ( talk) 18:01, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
Please see centralized discussion at Category talk:16th-century Palestinian rabbis#Category:Rabbis of the Land of Israel by century regarding the proposed new parent Category:Rabbis of the Land of Israel by century (itself a sub-category of the main Category:Rabbis of the Land of Israel) that would have twenty main sub-categories covering the 2000 years of the exile from the times of the destruction of the Second Temple circa 70 CE until the establishment of modern Israel in 1947/8:
Hello, I' m a Calabrian: there is a fault in the article, because Calabria was a Greek-speaking region for centuries, so our Jews didn't speak Italkian or, at least, not in the province of Reggio di Calabria, the stronghold of Hellenism in Italy. Many Jewish surnames in our province have a Greek origin like "Cuzzocrea" (cut flesh), referring to Jewish religious rules about food :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1204grandine ( talk • contribs) 09:23, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
There was a bunch of material in History of the Jews that was too detailed (e.g. details of individual antisemitic events in the Ottoman era) that I wanted to move out of that article. I found History of the Jews in Turkey but that still seemed like it was too broad an article for these details so I created History of the Jews in the Ottoman Empire using text copied from both History of the Jews and History of the Jews in Turkey. It's a medium-length article at the moment but I think there is more material that can be added. For example, we could add material on Dhimmitude and the Marrano bankers who came from Iberia, fleeing the Inquisition. Your feedback on ways to improve the article would be appreciated. Or just be bold and edit the article directly. -- Pseudo-Richard ( talk) 16:04, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
An editor has been attempting to move all material about ancient Jerusalem to articles that don't mention the Second Temple. If you're interested, please comment at Talk:Jerusalem during the Second Temple Period#WP:BOLD attempt to institute suggestion above. Jayjg (talk) 02:52, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
I found Stereotypes of Jews and I have to say it was (and still is) a sorry excuse for an article. I have tried to improve it somewhat but there's still a lot of work to be done. Just Google "Jews stereotypes" and you'll see that there is just a wealth of material on stereotypes of Jews in different countries and oodles of reliable sources that formalize what the various stereotypes are (a lot of the article text was unsourced) and discussions of where the stereotypes came from as well as statistical data on how prevalent the various stereotypes are in specific countries. I am starting getting this stuff incorporated into the article but it is a humongous amount of work so I would sure appreciate help from other interested editors.
BTW, there is also a huge amount of material on Stereotypes of Jews in literature so I created that article as a subsidiary article to Stereotypes of Jews. Once again, I started to flesh out this article but it's a huge topic and I sure could use help from other editors. -- Pseudo-Richard ( talk) 08:59, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
There is a proposal to merge Stereotypes of Jews with Stereotypes of Jews in literature. If you have an opinion on this suggestion, please express it here. -- Pseudo-Richard ( talk) 09:46, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
Since the term "Ishmaelites" is a Biblically-based name on Ishmael is it correct to merge it with Arab people? See discussion at Talk:Arab people#Merger proposal from Ishmaelites. Thanks, IZAK ( talk) 06:36, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
Many of those listed are one liners. I suggest they be redirected to List of synagogues in Egypt? Chesdovi ( talk) 13:13, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
Can we have some input here at ( Talk:David Miliband#Internal link)?
An internal link to Jewish is objected to. (Please click on the previous link to see that this is the Jews article.) I did not initiate the referred-to internal link—another editor did. But I don't object to it. In fact I support it.
It is explained to me at User talk:Bus stop#internals that:
But I find:
I find the wording "Both of them Jewish…" to be perfectly clear. Therefore I fail to see the basis for an objection to an internal link to the term and the article Jewish. (Again—this is the Jews article.) Bus stop ( talk) 23:13, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
I have created a draft article at User:Pseudo-Richard/Antisemitic canards related to money, banking and finance. The premise here is that there is a related subset of antisemitic canards that are related to money, banking and finance and that should be discussed together. This new article provides a way to do so. The text of the new article was created by copying the relevant text out of Antisemitic canard and expanding various sections. Please take a look at it and provide your feedback on the Talk Page. -- Pseudo-Richard ( talk) 18:13, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Please see:
Thank you, IZAK ( talk) 23:31, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
This came up as I am studying Orchot Tzaddikim. The article, entirely taken from the rather suspect (but unfortunately on-line) Jewish Encyclopedia, has a list of quotes from the book, which appear to be cherry-picked to fit in with the worldview of the JE, i.e. the German hochschule that invented what in the U.S. in is called Judaic Studies, and is perhaps (please correct me on this) one of the main antecedents of Conservative Judaism. (I do not mean that as refecting negatively on Conservative Judaism, only that it is a particular POV.)
The point is, it is anything but NPOV. I would hate to lose the article, because it has a link to the Hebrew Wikimeida version, which is a wonderful resource with beautifully set text and photocopies of manuscripts.
So would it be possible to include a banner that would say something like, "This article is largely based on the 190? Jewish Encyclopedia, and reflects the particular viewpoint of that publication. It should be understood in that context. Please help improve this article by adding sourced material from other viewpoints."
By the way, a nice book recently came out in Hebrew describing (mostly as an anthology) the various pre-war rabbinical seminaries (as oppsoed to yeshivot). Did you know that the Hochshule actually ordained women, although by the end (perhaps by then) the "ordination" was more academic that rabbinic. Mzk1 ( talk) 18:49, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
This is my take on the JE, as I expressed it on the Orchot Zaddikim talk page:
While I understand the criticism, I think the "partisan sources" tag is absolutely inappropriate in this context. Nor do I think any special tag regarding bias is required. The problem isn't bias but lack of sources: Any article based on a single source is inherently inadequate, and this is no more or less true of the JE than of anything else. So I think two kinds of tags would be appropriate in this case: One type asking for expansion and sources, the other kind documenting that the original version of the article was taken from the JE (which we already have tagged anyway).
Dovi (
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13:24, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
One may determine, via careful inspection, that within the WP (Wikipedia) article Matrilineality, its section Judaism is just the Introduction of this section's "Main article" Matrilineality in Judaism, somewhat pruned. I assume that this was once appropriate in WP, but my question is now: What is the optimum approach to help both the WP readers and the Jewish community?
Who am I? (you ask). I have done much of the laboring on the Matrilineality article recently, while others have also contributed, I'm very happy to say. I've felt qualified and able to rewrite the sections on the various cultures ( Lenape, newly-added Minangkabau, India, Akan, China or Mosuo, and Tuareg – by using the matrilineal content of that culture's WP article, or if needed, finding new matrilineal content from other sources as well. But the Judaism case is specialized much beyond my knowledge and capability.
Why rewrite this current Judaism section? (you ask). In my opinion, it is too complicated for most WP readers to easily read and understand. For example, it should not mention or name so many Jewish denominations; and the shortest paragraph, beginning with "The Mishnah", is too specialized or arcane for most readers of a general article such as Matrilineality (but just fine for the readers of Matrilineality in Judaism).
What should this section now accomplish? In my opinion, it should give the average reader the main part of the matrilineal information now given, but more easily understood and perhaps reduced to say half as long as now, certainly no longer that it is now. If there are not enough source references, one can conclude with something like "For further information and for more sources and documentation, see the above-mentioned main article." For someone to guide on: The section Who is a Jew? within the article Judaism is a good model, certainly well-written and very readable, not too specialized or arcane for most WP readers – and it does similarly list its own Main article.
Why can't I just write it myself? I cannot understand the information now given, well enough to even tell what its main part is, nor well enough to then present it to the average reader. Please put your eventual reply, if any, on my talk page, where I am now duplicating this entry. I'm very glad there is a Judaism section in the Matrilineality article, for the sake of completeness and curiosity and humankind. Thankfully, For7thGen ( talk) 20:54, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
Please see the following, relating to the proposed deletion of an article relating to a synagogue in Manchester, UK:
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Heaton Park Hebrew Congregation (2nd nomination)
Thank you. Davshul ( talk) 15:10, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
Evidently, according to a new article Afghana. First time I've heard of this. Some dubious sourcing here. Dougweller ( talk) 11:59, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
There is a request to amend Gilabrand's permanent ban here. As editors on this project know, Gilabrand was a frequent contributor to the project. Editors are invited to comment. -- Ravpapa ( talk) 12:40, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
I have no clue about the "topic area" in question, and I cannot productively add to the unbanning discussion. My reaction has to do with how this notification was worded and the fact that it was placed here. Your original post, which I responded to, said that Gilabrand was a "frequent and valued contributor" to the project. That is not a neutrally worded notification, and indeed if true it is not a neutral place to notify either, as it suggests that those who participate in this project would support the user, since he was "valued" as a contributor. And, IMO, there is nothing wrong with like-minded people who disagree with a ban to notify each other directly if an unban discussion is going on. Where on earth does that run afowl of policy of fundamental principles? Soliciting the support of people who might not have made up their mind with biased solicitations is what is against our principles. See WP:CANVASS. Cheers. Griswaldo ( talk) 17:06, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
I've been sorting through various fiction categories, and I can't figure out how best to categorize works that are about Jewish characters and issues. I don't think Category:Race-related books is appropriate for Judaism, and I don't see anything equivalent to Category:Native Americans in popular culture, and I'm not sure Category:Jewish American culture is the best location. The closest I can find is Category:Images of Jews and Judaism in the United States. Is this the best category? Is there a better existing category? Or does a new category need to be created? Thanks, Aristophanes68 (talk) 19:20, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
A new editor is editing the Blood libel article from the point of view that there is an "important distinction between ritual murders using the blood of Christians (true blood libel), which he finds insufficient proof to fully endorse, and individual cases involving the murders of Christians, including Christian children, committed by Jews 'out of hatred of Christ'". Other eyes would be welcome. Jayjg (talk) 01:16, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
I intend to create Category:16th-century rabbis in Palestine. Chesdovi ( talk) 10:04, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Chesdovi has posted the following message to a great number of talkpages:
I intend to add he was a Palestinian rabbi to the lead, as the category has been removed by Debresser.
To which I have replied:
See Category talk:16th-century Palestinian rabbis that such an edit is rejected by many editors. If Chesdovi will make such an edit, he will therefore be reverted forthwith. In addition, he is WP:FORUMSHOPPING here, so please leave your comments at the discussion I linked to.
I ask my colleagues here to revisit that discussion, because saying "rabbi in Palestine" is more or less neutral, while the wording "Palestinian rabbi" has been severely opposed in that discussion. Debresser ( talk) 11:27, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Hello, I recently joined this project (it's one of two I'm part of) and I'm so excited to help out in anyway. I'm extremely glad that this project exists and please contact me if you ned anything done or advice for what I should be doing. Thanks. Magister Scienta ( talk) 03:48, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
Welcome. Great to have more people. <shill> If you are into Jewish History, a section that could use work: the various Jewish music and Jewish music history articles. </shill> Best of luck and thank you for joining the conversation. Joe407 ( talk) 11:44, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
So everybody knows, I recently created a new template (shown below) based on the template on Jews and Judaism, feedback would be great.
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For the past 18 months, many editors have tried to reference or delete every unreferenced biography of living persons. There are two projects working on the WP:URBLPR, which aims to remove them month-by-month based on when they were tagged as unreferenced, and WP:URBLP which has set up topic based lists. Your project's list is at Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism/Unreferenced BLPs. It only has 5 people on it, including one currently at WP:Afd. As it is difficult for those not involved in Judaism to understand the notability of people and recognising that not every reliable source is available online via a google search, your help in finishing off this task and referencing the remaining articles would be greatly appreciated. There is no need to edit the Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism/Unreferenced BLPs list - a Bot automatically updates it each day, so it is also useful for detecting new unreferenced BLPs. Regards, The-Pope ( talk) 15:10, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
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Magister Scienta (
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Any thoughts on Nachum Meir Sheikewitch ?
Article was created just under 4 years ago by a now-banned user. Google comes back with 400 hits, including a $50 book [3] available from all good online retailers -- all of which appear to stem solely from this two-line stub.
It looks like a hoax to me -- unless anyone can provide any indication this person actually existed?
(There's nothing that I can find in the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia, which the article asserts itself to be sourced from). Jheald ( talk) 16:19, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
I'm a disambiguator, and was in the process of cleaning up the disambiguation page Kollel (disambiguation). In investigating the two links that are on that page, I am not sure if they are actually necessary as links, and thus, am not sure if the disambiguation page is needed. However, I wanted to check with people here who are certainly more familiar with the subject matter. My logic is this: entries on a disambiguation page should be links to articles whose names (or whose portion of a topic have a name) could be confused with the phrase being disambiguated. As much as I tried, however, I was not able to find articles appropriate to link to for the two entries on the page.
Am I missing something about why these entries are all right, or will it be just fine if I delete the disambiguation page, since neither entry seems to need to be disambiguated? I am leaning towards that, but did want to check with those more knowledgeable on the topic than I. Thanks for your thoughts, -- Natalya 00:43, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
Category:16th-century Palestinian rabbis still hasn't been deleted, in disregard of the many protests and an Rfc on its talkpage. Now it is at Categories for discussion. Debresser ( talk) 18:54, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
Chesdovi ( talk) 13:20, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
The Cfd is still waiting for your comments. It seems as though editors here have been worn out. Please comment. Debresser ( talk) 18:58, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
I just reverted a relatively new editor at Solomon who changed the dates of his life. His initial post at the talk page led me to believe that he was engaged in original research. Now, I'm not so sure. My guess (without sources) is that various sources have calculated his dates in various ways and others doubt that he's anything but a mythological character. More informed editors would be useful at the article. -- Steven J. Anderson ( talk) 22:57, 8 July 2011 (UTC) could you please tell me the correct date or near dates that soloman ruled. to my believe the son of david had a defect of tribes or tribe that took refuge else where? -- |Davidmu16
In a series of edits today an anon has added some material to Chanoch Ehrentreu about the controversy around the creation of the North London eruv. There are issues of WP:OR, WP:RS and WP:POV but is someone able to provide a fix that does not consist of simply undoing most of the addition?-- Peter cohen ( talk) 19:52, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
I would appreciate it if interested editors would take a look at the Economic antisemitism article. If this looks familiar, it is because I started by taking the text of Noleander's Jews and money article (which was deleted via AFD) and hacking at it, throwing out a lot of irrelevant and even dubious material but keeping stuff that was relevant to the topic. (see the edit summaries to get a sense for what I mean). The more I work with Noleander's Jews and money text, the more I stumble over problematic passages.
The thing is... the Antisemitism article doesn't really take on the issues head-on and give them adequate treatment.
IMO, there was a lot of good information in Noleander's original Jews and money article but it was unfortunately mixed in with a lot of really dubious stuff. The decision to delete Jews and money was based on the conclusion that it was better to just start all over. I didn't agree completely at the time but, after working with the text for several weeks, I can see that there is validity in that view.
I think the first lesson I learned is that there is something encyclopedic to say about "Jews and money" and/or " Jews and banking" but it's really hard to do right and so I've put that effort on the backburner.
Instead, I've been peeling off little chunks of useful stuff, reading it several times and adding my own writing. Results of this effort have been the creation of History of investment banking in the United States, Jewish views of poverty, wealth and charity, Stereotypes of Jews in literature and Port Jew. In addition, I have expanded Stereotypes of Jews and Dearborn Independent.
I have also added/expanded the "Forms" section of this article to list various forms of antisemitism, including "Economic antisemitism". The new article Economic antisemitism is the {{main}} article for the "Economic antisemitism" section of Antisemitism. I have already received some comments at Talk:Economic antisemitism. Any additional help you can give me would be much appreciated.
-- Pseudo-Richard ( talk) 15:49, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
Why is this exactly? Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 09:06, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
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Tefillin has been awarded GA status after the last attempt in November 2007! Thanks are due to
Pyrotec to for reviewing. Great work everyone! Chesdovi ( talk) 17:02, 18 July 2011 (UTC) |
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The Palestinian Patriarchate was the governing legalistic body of Palestinian Jewry after the destruction of the
Second Temple until about 425CE.... Read more at WikiProject Judaism's newest addition: Palestinian Patriarchate. Keep up the good work everyone! Chesdovi ( talk) 17:02, 18 July 2011 (UTC) |
This chap's biog is now one of our oldest BLPs not to have any references.
I couldn't work out if he was notable or not (and there's no link to any he: article, which makes me more suspicious), so was hoping you guys could help one way or the other - ie either prod, list at AfD or add a reference or two to get it out of the unreferenced BLPs pot.
Thanks -- Dweller ( talk) 13:29, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
The he: link that was added after I began this was the key. My Hebrew was good enough to be able to cite he exists, but I didn't really have the time/patience for much more... but at least (with one reference) the biog is now out of the way of the BLP juggernaut. -- Dweller ( talk) 11:49, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi,
This character has gone around changing a couple of numbers. It looks suspicious to me and I've provisionally reverted but I think this is something a project member with knowledge of the material ought to look at.
Cheers,
Egg Centric 09:31, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
We could really use some thoughtful and well-informed comments here. Thanks. Slrubenstein | Talk 11:42, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
The question is whether Yeshu refers to Jesus (either the Jesus who lived two thousand years ago and was crucified, or the figure in books held sacred by Christians). Most Christian scholars, and most Conservative Talmud scholars, believe that the word at least refers to the Christian concept of Jesus (if not the historical figure). But I am not sure whether Orthodox Jews share this view. I know that rabbis in disputations with Christian authorities (e.g. Nahmanides) argued that Yeshu and related characters *ben Pandera") do not refer to Jesus. I believe that Orthodox Jews today, or at least many orthodox Jews today, continue to hold this view.
But for me, this is the key point: Orthodox Jews can accept as authoritative interpretations of the Talmud from the Middle Ages. The fact that a commentary or some other text was written in the Middle Ages does not necessarily mean that it does not represent the views of people today. I think this is an important issue for Jewish editors at Wikipedia.
At the Yeshu article, I raised this issue on the talk page and I have been challenged by another editor [here http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk:Yeshu&diff=439878294&oldid=439878026] who insists that I provide modern sources to support the view, that Rabbinic including medieval sources cannot be used to represent the views of Orthodox Jews today. This line of reasoning is being used to justify designating what I think are "significant" views as "fringe" or obsolete views.
Note: this same editor is using Ben Yehuda's dictionary as an authority on Hebrew in Rabbinic texts (from the Mishna to the Toledoth Yeshu) [5] (I believe that Ben Yehuda was just creating a new Hebrew word to correspond to "Jesus" and other modern European languages names for the person identified, in Latin, as "Jesu") - and not making an argument about how to interpret the Talmud.
I hope you will consider addressing this, and perhaps you know of other editors who have the expertise that they can address this in an intelligent and well-informed way. Thanks, Slrubenstein | Talk 12:02, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
I know you are aware of all this, so I will just mention that J.D. Eisentein, at the end of Otzar HaVikuchim, states that it is unclear to whom the Talmud is referring - although he does not believe the Christian Jesus to have existed at all, as per the scholarship of circa 1900. Mzk1 ( talk) 21:13, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
Every once in a while I find an article that elicits a "WTF is that?" response. Today's WTF award goes to Aish tamid. Joe407 ( talk) 13:16, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
I am going to resume my work on the membership list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Magister Scienta ( talk • contribs) 01:01, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Personally, I think this is a bad idea. It means kicking out all the lurkers. Lurkers do no harm, and are often good people to have around, because suddenly they chirp up when their help is most needed. -- Ravpapa ( talk) 05:40, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
Hey Magister Scientia, if you like housekeeping, one thing that is all wonky is Wikipedia:Judaism Collaboration of the Week - I was about to trumpet how folks here should reactivate it like the one at Wikipedia:U.S. Wikipedians' notice board/USCOTM which has this little nifty subpage at Wikipedia:U.S. Wikipedians' notice board/USCOTM/History to show what/how/when editors improved what, and also Wikipedia:U.S. Wikipedians' notice board/USCOTW nominations to show what some folks thought'd be a good idea to nominate but not enough others did. I mainly work on biology articles but am intrigued at having just reactivated Wikipedia:China-related topics notice board/ZHCOTM after a seven year hiatus (!) and am planning on working on Shanghai. If someone can make some sense of Wikipedia:Judaism Collaboration of the Week and make a history subpage, and maybe folks here might reactivate it. There are some editors here who have a few Good and Featured Articles under their belts. The US one has lurched along, but at least George Washington has achieved GA, which I think is a pretty good result. I can give some help along the way, hey Dweller, Jayjg, JFW (chuckle) Casliber ( talk · contribs) 11:50, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
Well that was a conversation killer, wasn't it? Casliber ( talk · contribs) 12:12, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
is up for deletion here. The article was created by conservative Catholic POV-pusher editor [[In icto oculi] as a POV-fork from Yeshu. Slrubenstein | Talk 11:56, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
Could someone take a look at the Judaism section at World peace? There's an obtrusive Template:Unreferenced-section there and prose issues that require attention.— Biosketch ( talk) 15:12, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
The international Wikipeida conference is in Haifa, this week. Would it be out of place to mention that since I live there, I will be attending on Friday (the local week-end), and if anyone wants to say hello to put a note on my user-page?
I'm not violation the not-my-blog rule, am I? Mzk1 ( talk) 21:34, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I was checking out the sister projects page and I realized that WikiProject Kabbalah is not there, I know the Project is largely inactive but it is has 240+ articles and is still somewhat maintained, I think it should be added to the sister projects page, comments? Magister Scienta talk (2 August 2011)
I recently added Latin transliteration options for Arabic in the edit window. Would something like that be useful for Hebrew? Let me know on my talk page if yes. — kwami ( talk) 03:39, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
Per the rules at WP:OTD, Rosh Hashanah is going to be excluded from Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/September 28 this year because it has serious maintenance issues. There are 8 weeks to go before this date, so please be sure to have those resolved by then. Thanks. howcheng { chat} 18:51, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
There are many extremely good Jewish-topic articles in the Hebrew Wikipedia. I asked a long time ago in one of the general pages (do not remember which at this point) whether a Hebrew article could be translated without rechecking sources, and was told that it could not, because the RS rules might be different.
I suspect the people here might have a better idea of the congruency of the two Wikipedias. Anyone? Are they congruent enough for direct transfer? Mzk1 ( talk) 21:17, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Palestinian rabbis. Perhaps it is time to open a Wikipedia:Requests for comment/User conduct against Chesdovi ( talk · contribs)? Debresser ( talk) 16:07, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
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Another interesting article for WikiProject Judaism! | |
Palestinian rabbis documents the history of the illustrious rabbis of the
Land of Israel from antiquity up to the modern period. An enthralling and recommended read. Keep up the good work everyone! Chesdovi ( talk) 13:40, 12 August 2011 (UTC) |
Perhaps someone can help out here ... I can't easily find the alternative to using a cross for this purpose, but recall that one exists. Thanks.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 18:50, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
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Palestinian Gaon 1083 - 1109! | |
Abiathar ben Elijah ha-Cohen is the latest addition to our historical series on the
Palestinian Gaonate. Keep up the good work everyone! Chesdovi ( talk) 13:40, 12 August 2011 (UTC) |
Debresser removed “Palestine” from Israel ben Moses Najara claiming that “Gaza was then under Ottoman rule”: [6]. Damascus was also under Ottoman rule in 1555, but Debresser has not removed Syria? Why? Further, Debresser removed Category:16th-century Palestinian rabbis: [7] but left Category:Syrian rabbis. Can someone please explain what is going on with this experience editor. Thanks! Chesdovi ( talk) 13:30, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
I have embarked on removing the word Syria from Syrian people who lived under the Ottoman Empire as directed by Debresser, when I relised that although Debresser removed Palestine from Najara, he added "Ottoman Palestine" to Issachar ben Mordecai ibn Susan. So I am not sure how to proceed. Do we remove Syria and Palestine from all articles of that era or not? Please clarify asap. Chesdovi ( talk) 22:13, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
Debresser removed “Palestinian rabbi” from Isaac Luria: [8] claiming it is a “POV edit. He was Jewish, he was a kabbalist. He spent only a minority of his years in the Land of Israel”. Please can someone explain why a person who cannot be classified as a Palestinian Jewish kabbalist? The sources do:
Jusmine removed Category:Palestinian journalists from Israel Dov Frumkin: [9]. I suggest re-adding this category. Chesdovi ( talk) 15:08, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
In response to the action taken by an experienced editor resulting from this post, I suggest removing all counrty specific categories from all Jewish people. Chesdovi ( talk) 16:50, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
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I have reverted an IP which removed “Palestinian” from Issachar ben Mordecai ibn Susan. I am awaiting response from another editor as to why she removed the Palestinian category. Chesdovi ( talk) 15:56, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
I have left a message at the creator of Category:Jews from Thessaloniki & Category:Thessalonian Jews, but since she has not been active since 2009. I ask for views about the need for both these cats. Are they not one and the same. I would merge into Category:Thessalonian Jews. Support? Chesdovi ( talk) 15:31, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
I nominated this merger at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2011_August_22#Category:Thessalonian_Jews, but see there that there is a catch. Debresser ( talk) 22:58, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
Do you think use of the term "Palestinian rabbi" is valid in articles of rabbis from Palestine, from antiquity till modern times? ( [10]) Chesdovi ( talk) 12:23, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
Gentlemen, don't you think it's time for an RFC on this issue? It had dragged on quite a bit, and members of other WikiProjects may have particular perspective. I think it is not disputed that for large parts of its history, the current Israel was not known as such. It has been Canaan, Israel, Palestine, etc. Please either start with an RFC or find some other way out of the impasse. JFW | T@lk 15:56, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
(jumps up and waves arms wildly) I can see this causing a headache for some time - the issue being the press often using the word "Palestinian" which implies "(Arab) Palestinian" in many situations. Chesdovi, what would you call the enclave of settlers living in the centre of Hebron? I think a broad discussion is needed and could take place somewhere at Wikipedia:WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration, which was where Wikipedia:Naming conventions (West Bank) was worked out a couple of years ago. Casliber ( talk · contribs) 00:23, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
Can someone check whether this edit is valid: [11]. I think the original category is correct in this case. Chesdovi ( talk) 10:43, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
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"Palestinian rabbis" passes Afd! | |
Palestinian rabbis was kept with an overwhelming majority of 13 votes to 2. A victory for common sense and adherence to
WP:RS and
WP:NCCN. Keep up the good work everyone! Chesdovi ( talk) 13:40, 12 August 2011 (UTC) |
While Medieval rabbis may fall within the sphere of Orthodoxy, some claim the term should not be applied to them as the term is generally used to distinguish between what became a necessity after the rise of reform "rabbis" in the 19th cent. Should we be placing classical rabbis such as Rashi in Category:Orthodox rabbis? Chesdovi ( talk) 12:51, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
I'm on board with not applying the label orthodox (or sub cats thereof) to people who lived before it was an existent term. Joe407 ( talk) 13:11, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
I agree, not because I think it is incorrect, but because it destroys consensus, which is to take no position on how far back Orthodoxy goes. The same would apply to Rabbinic, Pharisaic Judaism, etc. c.f. Jewish religious movements). Mzk1 ( talk) 14:27, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
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Tachlifa the Palestinian - 3rd generation amora! | |
Tachlifa the Palestinian is the latest addition to our collection of Palestinian amoraim. Help expanding this stub will be greatly appreciated! Keep up the good work everyone! Chesdovi ( talk) 13:40, 12 August 2011 (UTC) |
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Avdimi of Haifa - 3rd generation amora! | |
Avdimi of Haifa is the latest addition to our collection of Palestinian amoraim. Help expanding this stub will be greatly appreciated! Keep up the good work everyone! Chesdovi ( talk) 13:40, 12 August 2011 (UTC) |
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Take a deep breath - it's Abba of Jaffa! | |
Abba of Jaffa is the latest addition to our collection of Palestinian amoraim. Help expanding this stub will be greatly appreciated! Keep up the good work everyone! Chesdovi ( talk) 16:04, 26 August 2011 (UTC) |
Sorry for the late notice, but this is scheduled for OTD appearance on August 30 but is going to be omitted for lack of references. Hopefully y'all can get this into shape in two days. Thanks. howcheng { chat} 20:10, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
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All the way from Alexandria - Hanan the Egyptian! | |
Hanan the Egyptian is the latest addition to our collection of Egyptian tannaim. Help expanding this stub will be greatly appreciated! Keep up the good work everyone! Chesdovi ( talk) 20:12, 28 August 2011 (UTC) |
Discussions as to what the article should and should not contain have restarted on Talk:Criticism of Judaism, and outside comments would be helpful. Please see the archives and Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Noleander#Discretionary sanctions for history and active sanctions. Thank you. -- Avi ( talk) 05:51, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
Aharon Kotler has been put up for deletion. Needs help with Sources please help if you can. Nerguy ( talk) 02:28, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
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Foreign Medea in Palestine - it's Nahum the Mede! | |
Nahum the Mede is the latest addition to our collection of Medean tannaim. Help expanding this article will be greatly appreciated! Keep up the good work everyone! Chesdovi ( talk) 14:09, 29 August 2011 (UTC) |
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Simeon the Yemenite - 2nd-century Yemenite tanna! | |
Simeon the Yemenite is the latest addition to our series on tannaim who originated in the diaspora. Help expanding this article will be greatly appreciated! Keep up the good work everyone! Chesdovi ( talk) 18:20, 29 August 2011 (UTC) |
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There seems to be an edit war going on, on the article on Rav Shach, between User:Jayjg and User:Winchester2313. Please see Talk:Elazar Shach if you can help. Nerguy ( talk) 19:24, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
I have just created an article in mainspace titled Jewish views of wealth and poverty. Suggestions for improvement are welcomed at the Talk Page. Or just be bold and edit the article directly. Thanx. -- Pseudo-Richard ( talk) 15:17, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
OK... so Jayjg sent the article back to the drawing board (by moving it back to my userspace) for some rework. I've reworked it somewhat but the reason that I'm moving it back to article mainspace is that I've taken it about as far as I can on my own and I would like to solicit the help of other editors in improving it. I removed the content contributed by Noleander, expanded the article to discuss Jewish views towards charity and welfare thus motivating a change in title to Jewish views of poverty, wealth and charity.
I would really like to ask people to read the article and look at the references before vomiting all over it. I think the rewritten article does say something substantial and, taken together with Christian views on poverty and wealth, actually provides some insights. (Well, they were insights to me, anyway.) The key thing that I took away from researching and writing these two articles is that, perhaps one reason that Christians thought Jews were greedy is that there is a strong strain of Christianity that holds up poverty as an ideal and wealth as evil whereas such notions are kind of alien to Judaism. Judaism seems to be much less conflicted about wealth as long as it does not oppress the poor or lead to arrogance. Judaism calls upon wealthy people to care for the poor but does not castigate them just for being wealthy. Another insight that I gained from reading Lifshitz was that coerced charity in the form of communal welfare is a concept that is rooted in the Talmudic times whereas it is a relatively recent invention in Western societies (late 19th century). Thus, communal charity is a very strong part of Jewish society (for example, American Jews are the largest donors to charity in the U.S.). The issue also leads to a continuing heated debate about the extent of the welfare state in Israel.
@Jfdwolff: It's true that the sources used are "minor". They are arguably even more "minor" than Noleander's were. This is an unfortunate consequence of my using Google Books as my primary research tool. Can you improve the article by using better sources? I would appreciate the help.
@Chesdovi: Please re-read the article. The original article was never as POV as your comment suggested. The rewritten article is even less so.
-- Pseudo-Richard ( talk) 03:04, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
Guys, please can we have some input over at the cfd on Category:Talmud rabbis of the Land of Israel. Sefira tonight is 16. Gut Chodesh. Chesdovi ( talk) 20:48, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
Please note the following:
Thank you, IZAK ( talk) 09:48, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
I have reverted some edits of User:Chesdovi recently, which resulted in this WP:ANI case.
One of the edits is this sick edit, which shocked me by its antisemitic POV. Please see a few more examples of things that need to be fixed.
In addition, I think it is about time this WikiProject take note of the subject for which the WP:ANI case was opened, since I feel a little like a lone voice in the wilderness in my arguments with Chesdovi, who - as I just now found out - has a history of quite a few blocks in connection with WP:ARBPIA. Debresser ( talk) 21:43, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
I agree that the statement that the rabbi was a Palestinian is problematic. Due to the current meaning of the term, we should be very careful before applying it. This doesn't seem like a case where it's necessary. — Ynhockey ( Talk) 19:30, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
Note: An Rfc has been opened on Category_talk:16th-century_Palestinian_rabbis closely related to this issue. Debresser ( talk) 13:26, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi all, I am reviewing the city of Białystok for GA status and it needs sourcing - this has been removed and I wondered if anyone thought it sourceable and notable? Old-country heritage and all that? If anyone does and can source it, great. If folks think not notable then no big deal. My knowledge of the subject matter is minimal. Casliber ( talk · contribs) 00:26, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Furthermore - more content at Białystok and History of Białystok wopuld be very helpful, if anyone has any. Casliber ( talk · contribs) 00:27, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Please see:
--- Chesdovi ( talk) 18:22, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
--- Chesdovi ( talk) 11:44, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
The maps on Template:Palestinian nationalism, although countered by Template:Jewish nationalism and the region of Palestine, seem problematic, as it is lifted from images used on website such as [1]. Chesdovi ( talk) 16:23, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
I have created a new article titled Port Jew. Apparently, this was a hot topic in Judaic social studies a few years back. I've only provided a very high-level summary of what the concept of a Port Jew is. If you can help expand the article, it would be much appreciated. Also, if you can suggest articles that should link to it, that would be great, too. -- Pseudo-Richard ( talk) 05:08, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Discussion has arisen at Talk:Ed Miliband#Ethnicity in infobox regarding whether or not Ed Miliband is a Jew; knowledgeable views would be appreciated. Jayjg (talk) 00:51, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Please note the following:
Thank you, IZAK ( talk) 09:53, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
Regarding the statements mentioned above regarding notifying specific editors, this strikes me as strange. Now people are supposed to figure out which editors are notable and notify them? It is good to know that editors are open to requests on their talk pages, but if they cannot be bothered to check the project page every few days, that is their problem. The idea of an "elect" group of editors (and I note at least one prolific editor not listed) is against everything Wikipedia stands for. Mzk1 ( talk) 18:01, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
Please see centralized discussion at Category talk:16th-century Palestinian rabbis#Category:Rabbis of the Land of Israel by century regarding the proposed new parent Category:Rabbis of the Land of Israel by century (itself a sub-category of the main Category:Rabbis of the Land of Israel) that would have twenty main sub-categories covering the 2000 years of the exile from the times of the destruction of the Second Temple circa 70 CE until the establishment of modern Israel in 1947/8:
Hello, I' m a Calabrian: there is a fault in the article, because Calabria was a Greek-speaking region for centuries, so our Jews didn't speak Italkian or, at least, not in the province of Reggio di Calabria, the stronghold of Hellenism in Italy. Many Jewish surnames in our province have a Greek origin like "Cuzzocrea" (cut flesh), referring to Jewish religious rules about food :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1204grandine ( talk • contribs) 09:23, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
There was a bunch of material in History of the Jews that was too detailed (e.g. details of individual antisemitic events in the Ottoman era) that I wanted to move out of that article. I found History of the Jews in Turkey but that still seemed like it was too broad an article for these details so I created History of the Jews in the Ottoman Empire using text copied from both History of the Jews and History of the Jews in Turkey. It's a medium-length article at the moment but I think there is more material that can be added. For example, we could add material on Dhimmitude and the Marrano bankers who came from Iberia, fleeing the Inquisition. Your feedback on ways to improve the article would be appreciated. Or just be bold and edit the article directly. -- Pseudo-Richard ( talk) 16:04, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
An editor has been attempting to move all material about ancient Jerusalem to articles that don't mention the Second Temple. If you're interested, please comment at Talk:Jerusalem during the Second Temple Period#WP:BOLD attempt to institute suggestion above. Jayjg (talk) 02:52, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
I found Stereotypes of Jews and I have to say it was (and still is) a sorry excuse for an article. I have tried to improve it somewhat but there's still a lot of work to be done. Just Google "Jews stereotypes" and you'll see that there is just a wealth of material on stereotypes of Jews in different countries and oodles of reliable sources that formalize what the various stereotypes are (a lot of the article text was unsourced) and discussions of where the stereotypes came from as well as statistical data on how prevalent the various stereotypes are in specific countries. I am starting getting this stuff incorporated into the article but it is a humongous amount of work so I would sure appreciate help from other interested editors.
BTW, there is also a huge amount of material on Stereotypes of Jews in literature so I created that article as a subsidiary article to Stereotypes of Jews. Once again, I started to flesh out this article but it's a huge topic and I sure could use help from other editors. -- Pseudo-Richard ( talk) 08:59, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
There is a proposal to merge Stereotypes of Jews with Stereotypes of Jews in literature. If you have an opinion on this suggestion, please express it here. -- Pseudo-Richard ( talk) 09:46, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
Since the term "Ishmaelites" is a Biblically-based name on Ishmael is it correct to merge it with Arab people? See discussion at Talk:Arab people#Merger proposal from Ishmaelites. Thanks, IZAK ( talk) 06:36, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
Many of those listed are one liners. I suggest they be redirected to List of synagogues in Egypt? Chesdovi ( talk) 13:13, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
Can we have some input here at ( Talk:David Miliband#Internal link)?
An internal link to Jewish is objected to. (Please click on the previous link to see that this is the Jews article.) I did not initiate the referred-to internal link—another editor did. But I don't object to it. In fact I support it.
It is explained to me at User talk:Bus stop#internals that:
But I find:
I find the wording "Both of them Jewish…" to be perfectly clear. Therefore I fail to see the basis for an objection to an internal link to the term and the article Jewish. (Again—this is the Jews article.) Bus stop ( talk) 23:13, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
I have created a draft article at User:Pseudo-Richard/Antisemitic canards related to money, banking and finance. The premise here is that there is a related subset of antisemitic canards that are related to money, banking and finance and that should be discussed together. This new article provides a way to do so. The text of the new article was created by copying the relevant text out of Antisemitic canard and expanding various sections. Please take a look at it and provide your feedback on the Talk Page. -- Pseudo-Richard ( talk) 18:13, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Please see:
Thank you, IZAK ( talk) 23:31, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
This came up as I am studying Orchot Tzaddikim. The article, entirely taken from the rather suspect (but unfortunately on-line) Jewish Encyclopedia, has a list of quotes from the book, which appear to be cherry-picked to fit in with the worldview of the JE, i.e. the German hochschule that invented what in the U.S. in is called Judaic Studies, and is perhaps (please correct me on this) one of the main antecedents of Conservative Judaism. (I do not mean that as refecting negatively on Conservative Judaism, only that it is a particular POV.)
The point is, it is anything but NPOV. I would hate to lose the article, because it has a link to the Hebrew Wikimeida version, which is a wonderful resource with beautifully set text and photocopies of manuscripts.
So would it be possible to include a banner that would say something like, "This article is largely based on the 190? Jewish Encyclopedia, and reflects the particular viewpoint of that publication. It should be understood in that context. Please help improve this article by adding sourced material from other viewpoints."
By the way, a nice book recently came out in Hebrew describing (mostly as an anthology) the various pre-war rabbinical seminaries (as oppsoed to yeshivot). Did you know that the Hochshule actually ordained women, although by the end (perhaps by then) the "ordination" was more academic that rabbinic. Mzk1 ( talk) 18:49, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
This is my take on the JE, as I expressed it on the Orchot Zaddikim talk page:
While I understand the criticism, I think the "partisan sources" tag is absolutely inappropriate in this context. Nor do I think any special tag regarding bias is required. The problem isn't bias but lack of sources: Any article based on a single source is inherently inadequate, and this is no more or less true of the JE than of anything else. So I think two kinds of tags would be appropriate in this case: One type asking for expansion and sources, the other kind documenting that the original version of the article was taken from the JE (which we already have tagged anyway).
Dovi (
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13:24, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
One may determine, via careful inspection, that within the WP (Wikipedia) article Matrilineality, its section Judaism is just the Introduction of this section's "Main article" Matrilineality in Judaism, somewhat pruned. I assume that this was once appropriate in WP, but my question is now: What is the optimum approach to help both the WP readers and the Jewish community?
Who am I? (you ask). I have done much of the laboring on the Matrilineality article recently, while others have also contributed, I'm very happy to say. I've felt qualified and able to rewrite the sections on the various cultures ( Lenape, newly-added Minangkabau, India, Akan, China or Mosuo, and Tuareg – by using the matrilineal content of that culture's WP article, or if needed, finding new matrilineal content from other sources as well. But the Judaism case is specialized much beyond my knowledge and capability.
Why rewrite this current Judaism section? (you ask). In my opinion, it is too complicated for most WP readers to easily read and understand. For example, it should not mention or name so many Jewish denominations; and the shortest paragraph, beginning with "The Mishnah", is too specialized or arcane for most readers of a general article such as Matrilineality (but just fine for the readers of Matrilineality in Judaism).
What should this section now accomplish? In my opinion, it should give the average reader the main part of the matrilineal information now given, but more easily understood and perhaps reduced to say half as long as now, certainly no longer that it is now. If there are not enough source references, one can conclude with something like "For further information and for more sources and documentation, see the above-mentioned main article." For someone to guide on: The section Who is a Jew? within the article Judaism is a good model, certainly well-written and very readable, not too specialized or arcane for most WP readers – and it does similarly list its own Main article.
Why can't I just write it myself? I cannot understand the information now given, well enough to even tell what its main part is, nor well enough to then present it to the average reader. Please put your eventual reply, if any, on my talk page, where I am now duplicating this entry. I'm very glad there is a Judaism section in the Matrilineality article, for the sake of completeness and curiosity and humankind. Thankfully, For7thGen ( talk) 20:54, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
Please see the following, relating to the proposed deletion of an article relating to a synagogue in Manchester, UK:
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Heaton Park Hebrew Congregation (2nd nomination)
Thank you. Davshul ( talk) 15:10, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
Evidently, according to a new article Afghana. First time I've heard of this. Some dubious sourcing here. Dougweller ( talk) 11:59, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
There is a request to amend Gilabrand's permanent ban here. As editors on this project know, Gilabrand was a frequent contributor to the project. Editors are invited to comment. -- Ravpapa ( talk) 12:40, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
I have no clue about the "topic area" in question, and I cannot productively add to the unbanning discussion. My reaction has to do with how this notification was worded and the fact that it was placed here. Your original post, which I responded to, said that Gilabrand was a "frequent and valued contributor" to the project. That is not a neutrally worded notification, and indeed if true it is not a neutral place to notify either, as it suggests that those who participate in this project would support the user, since he was "valued" as a contributor. And, IMO, there is nothing wrong with like-minded people who disagree with a ban to notify each other directly if an unban discussion is going on. Where on earth does that run afowl of policy of fundamental principles? Soliciting the support of people who might not have made up their mind with biased solicitations is what is against our principles. See WP:CANVASS. Cheers. Griswaldo ( talk) 17:06, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
I've been sorting through various fiction categories, and I can't figure out how best to categorize works that are about Jewish characters and issues. I don't think Category:Race-related books is appropriate for Judaism, and I don't see anything equivalent to Category:Native Americans in popular culture, and I'm not sure Category:Jewish American culture is the best location. The closest I can find is Category:Images of Jews and Judaism in the United States. Is this the best category? Is there a better existing category? Or does a new category need to be created? Thanks, Aristophanes68 (talk) 19:20, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
A new editor is editing the Blood libel article from the point of view that there is an "important distinction between ritual murders using the blood of Christians (true blood libel), which he finds insufficient proof to fully endorse, and individual cases involving the murders of Christians, including Christian children, committed by Jews 'out of hatred of Christ'". Other eyes would be welcome. Jayjg (talk) 01:16, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
I intend to create Category:16th-century rabbis in Palestine. Chesdovi ( talk) 10:04, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Chesdovi has posted the following message to a great number of talkpages:
I intend to add he was a Palestinian rabbi to the lead, as the category has been removed by Debresser.
To which I have replied:
See Category talk:16th-century Palestinian rabbis that such an edit is rejected by many editors. If Chesdovi will make such an edit, he will therefore be reverted forthwith. In addition, he is WP:FORUMSHOPPING here, so please leave your comments at the discussion I linked to.
I ask my colleagues here to revisit that discussion, because saying "rabbi in Palestine" is more or less neutral, while the wording "Palestinian rabbi" has been severely opposed in that discussion. Debresser ( talk) 11:27, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Hello, I recently joined this project (it's one of two I'm part of) and I'm so excited to help out in anyway. I'm extremely glad that this project exists and please contact me if you ned anything done or advice for what I should be doing. Thanks. Magister Scienta ( talk) 03:48, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
Welcome. Great to have more people. <shill> If you are into Jewish History, a section that could use work: the various Jewish music and Jewish music history articles. </shill> Best of luck and thank you for joining the conversation. Joe407 ( talk) 11:44, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
So everybody knows, I recently created a new template (shown below) based on the template on Jews and Judaism, feedback would be great.
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For the past 18 months, many editors have tried to reference or delete every unreferenced biography of living persons. There are two projects working on the WP:URBLPR, which aims to remove them month-by-month based on when they were tagged as unreferenced, and WP:URBLP which has set up topic based lists. Your project's list is at Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism/Unreferenced BLPs. It only has 5 people on it, including one currently at WP:Afd. As it is difficult for those not involved in Judaism to understand the notability of people and recognising that not every reliable source is available online via a google search, your help in finishing off this task and referencing the remaining articles would be greatly appreciated. There is no need to edit the Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism/Unreferenced BLPs list - a Bot automatically updates it each day, so it is also useful for detecting new unreferenced BLPs. Regards, The-Pope ( talk) 15:10, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
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Hello WikiProject Judaism/Archive 27, you're invited to participate in WikiProject Judaism, a WikiProject dedicated to developing and improving articles about all aspects of Judaism and Jewish Life. You can check out the Judaism WikiProject page for more information about the project and what our goals are. You can join by adding your name here. We hope to see you join us! – Invited on {{subst:#time:j F Y}} by Username. |
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Magister Scienta (
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01:30, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
Any thoughts on Nachum Meir Sheikewitch ?
Article was created just under 4 years ago by a now-banned user. Google comes back with 400 hits, including a $50 book [3] available from all good online retailers -- all of which appear to stem solely from this two-line stub.
It looks like a hoax to me -- unless anyone can provide any indication this person actually existed?
(There's nothing that I can find in the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia, which the article asserts itself to be sourced from). Jheald ( talk) 16:19, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
I'm a disambiguator, and was in the process of cleaning up the disambiguation page Kollel (disambiguation). In investigating the two links that are on that page, I am not sure if they are actually necessary as links, and thus, am not sure if the disambiguation page is needed. However, I wanted to check with people here who are certainly more familiar with the subject matter. My logic is this: entries on a disambiguation page should be links to articles whose names (or whose portion of a topic have a name) could be confused with the phrase being disambiguated. As much as I tried, however, I was not able to find articles appropriate to link to for the two entries on the page.
Am I missing something about why these entries are all right, or will it be just fine if I delete the disambiguation page, since neither entry seems to need to be disambiguated? I am leaning towards that, but did want to check with those more knowledgeable on the topic than I. Thanks for your thoughts, -- Natalya 00:43, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
Category:16th-century Palestinian rabbis still hasn't been deleted, in disregard of the many protests and an Rfc on its talkpage. Now it is at Categories for discussion. Debresser ( talk) 18:54, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
Chesdovi ( talk) 13:20, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
The Cfd is still waiting for your comments. It seems as though editors here have been worn out. Please comment. Debresser ( talk) 18:58, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
I just reverted a relatively new editor at Solomon who changed the dates of his life. His initial post at the talk page led me to believe that he was engaged in original research. Now, I'm not so sure. My guess (without sources) is that various sources have calculated his dates in various ways and others doubt that he's anything but a mythological character. More informed editors would be useful at the article. -- Steven J. Anderson ( talk) 22:57, 8 July 2011 (UTC) could you please tell me the correct date or near dates that soloman ruled. to my believe the son of david had a defect of tribes or tribe that took refuge else where? -- |Davidmu16
In a series of edits today an anon has added some material to Chanoch Ehrentreu about the controversy around the creation of the North London eruv. There are issues of WP:OR, WP:RS and WP:POV but is someone able to provide a fix that does not consist of simply undoing most of the addition?-- Peter cohen ( talk) 19:52, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
I would appreciate it if interested editors would take a look at the Economic antisemitism article. If this looks familiar, it is because I started by taking the text of Noleander's Jews and money article (which was deleted via AFD) and hacking at it, throwing out a lot of irrelevant and even dubious material but keeping stuff that was relevant to the topic. (see the edit summaries to get a sense for what I mean). The more I work with Noleander's Jews and money text, the more I stumble over problematic passages.
The thing is... the Antisemitism article doesn't really take on the issues head-on and give them adequate treatment.
IMO, there was a lot of good information in Noleander's original Jews and money article but it was unfortunately mixed in with a lot of really dubious stuff. The decision to delete Jews and money was based on the conclusion that it was better to just start all over. I didn't agree completely at the time but, after working with the text for several weeks, I can see that there is validity in that view.
I think the first lesson I learned is that there is something encyclopedic to say about "Jews and money" and/or " Jews and banking" but it's really hard to do right and so I've put that effort on the backburner.
Instead, I've been peeling off little chunks of useful stuff, reading it several times and adding my own writing. Results of this effort have been the creation of History of investment banking in the United States, Jewish views of poverty, wealth and charity, Stereotypes of Jews in literature and Port Jew. In addition, I have expanded Stereotypes of Jews and Dearborn Independent.
I have also added/expanded the "Forms" section of this article to list various forms of antisemitism, including "Economic antisemitism". The new article Economic antisemitism is the {{main}} article for the "Economic antisemitism" section of Antisemitism. I have already received some comments at Talk:Economic antisemitism. Any additional help you can give me would be much appreciated.
-- Pseudo-Richard ( talk) 15:49, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
Why is this exactly? Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 09:06, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
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Another Good Article for WikiProject Judaism! | |
Tefillin has been awarded GA status after the last attempt in November 2007! Thanks are due to
Pyrotec to for reviewing. Great work everyone! Chesdovi ( talk) 17:02, 18 July 2011 (UTC) |
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Another interesting article for WikiProject Judaism! | |
The Palestinian Patriarchate was the governing legalistic body of Palestinian Jewry after the destruction of the
Second Temple until about 425CE.... Read more at WikiProject Judaism's newest addition: Palestinian Patriarchate. Keep up the good work everyone! Chesdovi ( talk) 17:02, 18 July 2011 (UTC) |
This chap's biog is now one of our oldest BLPs not to have any references.
I couldn't work out if he was notable or not (and there's no link to any he: article, which makes me more suspicious), so was hoping you guys could help one way or the other - ie either prod, list at AfD or add a reference or two to get it out of the unreferenced BLPs pot.
Thanks -- Dweller ( talk) 13:29, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
The he: link that was added after I began this was the key. My Hebrew was good enough to be able to cite he exists, but I didn't really have the time/patience for much more... but at least (with one reference) the biog is now out of the way of the BLP juggernaut. -- Dweller ( talk) 11:49, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi,
This character has gone around changing a couple of numbers. It looks suspicious to me and I've provisionally reverted but I think this is something a project member with knowledge of the material ought to look at.
Cheers,
Egg Centric 09:31, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
We could really use some thoughtful and well-informed comments here. Thanks. Slrubenstein | Talk 11:42, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
The question is whether Yeshu refers to Jesus (either the Jesus who lived two thousand years ago and was crucified, or the figure in books held sacred by Christians). Most Christian scholars, and most Conservative Talmud scholars, believe that the word at least refers to the Christian concept of Jesus (if not the historical figure). But I am not sure whether Orthodox Jews share this view. I know that rabbis in disputations with Christian authorities (e.g. Nahmanides) argued that Yeshu and related characters *ben Pandera") do not refer to Jesus. I believe that Orthodox Jews today, or at least many orthodox Jews today, continue to hold this view.
But for me, this is the key point: Orthodox Jews can accept as authoritative interpretations of the Talmud from the Middle Ages. The fact that a commentary or some other text was written in the Middle Ages does not necessarily mean that it does not represent the views of people today. I think this is an important issue for Jewish editors at Wikipedia.
At the Yeshu article, I raised this issue on the talk page and I have been challenged by another editor [here http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk:Yeshu&diff=439878294&oldid=439878026] who insists that I provide modern sources to support the view, that Rabbinic including medieval sources cannot be used to represent the views of Orthodox Jews today. This line of reasoning is being used to justify designating what I think are "significant" views as "fringe" or obsolete views.
Note: this same editor is using Ben Yehuda's dictionary as an authority on Hebrew in Rabbinic texts (from the Mishna to the Toledoth Yeshu) [5] (I believe that Ben Yehuda was just creating a new Hebrew word to correspond to "Jesus" and other modern European languages names for the person identified, in Latin, as "Jesu") - and not making an argument about how to interpret the Talmud.
I hope you will consider addressing this, and perhaps you know of other editors who have the expertise that they can address this in an intelligent and well-informed way. Thanks, Slrubenstein | Talk 12:02, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
I know you are aware of all this, so I will just mention that J.D. Eisentein, at the end of Otzar HaVikuchim, states that it is unclear to whom the Talmud is referring - although he does not believe the Christian Jesus to have existed at all, as per the scholarship of circa 1900. Mzk1 ( talk) 21:13, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
Every once in a while I find an article that elicits a "WTF is that?" response. Today's WTF award goes to Aish tamid. Joe407 ( talk) 13:16, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
I am going to resume my work on the membership list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Magister Scienta ( talk • contribs) 01:01, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Personally, I think this is a bad idea. It means kicking out all the lurkers. Lurkers do no harm, and are often good people to have around, because suddenly they chirp up when their help is most needed. -- Ravpapa ( talk) 05:40, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
Hey Magister Scientia, if you like housekeeping, one thing that is all wonky is Wikipedia:Judaism Collaboration of the Week - I was about to trumpet how folks here should reactivate it like the one at Wikipedia:U.S. Wikipedians' notice board/USCOTM which has this little nifty subpage at Wikipedia:U.S. Wikipedians' notice board/USCOTM/History to show what/how/when editors improved what, and also Wikipedia:U.S. Wikipedians' notice board/USCOTW nominations to show what some folks thought'd be a good idea to nominate but not enough others did. I mainly work on biology articles but am intrigued at having just reactivated Wikipedia:China-related topics notice board/ZHCOTM after a seven year hiatus (!) and am planning on working on Shanghai. If someone can make some sense of Wikipedia:Judaism Collaboration of the Week and make a history subpage, and maybe folks here might reactivate it. There are some editors here who have a few Good and Featured Articles under their belts. The US one has lurched along, but at least George Washington has achieved GA, which I think is a pretty good result. I can give some help along the way, hey Dweller, Jayjg, JFW (chuckle) Casliber ( talk · contribs) 11:50, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
Well that was a conversation killer, wasn't it? Casliber ( talk · contribs) 12:12, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
is up for deletion here. The article was created by conservative Catholic POV-pusher editor [[In icto oculi] as a POV-fork from Yeshu. Slrubenstein | Talk 11:56, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
Could someone take a look at the Judaism section at World peace? There's an obtrusive Template:Unreferenced-section there and prose issues that require attention.— Biosketch ( talk) 15:12, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
The international Wikipeida conference is in Haifa, this week. Would it be out of place to mention that since I live there, I will be attending on Friday (the local week-end), and if anyone wants to say hello to put a note on my user-page?
I'm not violation the not-my-blog rule, am I? Mzk1 ( talk) 21:34, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I was checking out the sister projects page and I realized that WikiProject Kabbalah is not there, I know the Project is largely inactive but it is has 240+ articles and is still somewhat maintained, I think it should be added to the sister projects page, comments? Magister Scienta talk (2 August 2011)
I recently added Latin transliteration options for Arabic in the edit window. Would something like that be useful for Hebrew? Let me know on my talk page if yes. — kwami ( talk) 03:39, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
Per the rules at WP:OTD, Rosh Hashanah is going to be excluded from Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/September 28 this year because it has serious maintenance issues. There are 8 weeks to go before this date, so please be sure to have those resolved by then. Thanks. howcheng { chat} 18:51, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
There are many extremely good Jewish-topic articles in the Hebrew Wikipedia. I asked a long time ago in one of the general pages (do not remember which at this point) whether a Hebrew article could be translated without rechecking sources, and was told that it could not, because the RS rules might be different.
I suspect the people here might have a better idea of the congruency of the two Wikipedias. Anyone? Are they congruent enough for direct transfer? Mzk1 ( talk) 21:17, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Palestinian rabbis. Perhaps it is time to open a Wikipedia:Requests for comment/User conduct against Chesdovi ( talk · contribs)? Debresser ( talk) 16:07, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
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Another interesting article for WikiProject Judaism! | |
Palestinian rabbis documents the history of the illustrious rabbis of the
Land of Israel from antiquity up to the modern period. An enthralling and recommended read. Keep up the good work everyone! Chesdovi ( talk) 13:40, 12 August 2011 (UTC) |
Perhaps someone can help out here ... I can't easily find the alternative to using a cross for this purpose, but recall that one exists. Thanks.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 18:50, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
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Palestinian Gaon 1083 - 1109! | |
Abiathar ben Elijah ha-Cohen is the latest addition to our historical series on the
Palestinian Gaonate. Keep up the good work everyone! Chesdovi ( talk) 13:40, 12 August 2011 (UTC) |
Debresser removed “Palestine” from Israel ben Moses Najara claiming that “Gaza was then under Ottoman rule”: [6]. Damascus was also under Ottoman rule in 1555, but Debresser has not removed Syria? Why? Further, Debresser removed Category:16th-century Palestinian rabbis: [7] but left Category:Syrian rabbis. Can someone please explain what is going on with this experience editor. Thanks! Chesdovi ( talk) 13:30, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
I have embarked on removing the word Syria from Syrian people who lived under the Ottoman Empire as directed by Debresser, when I relised that although Debresser removed Palestine from Najara, he added "Ottoman Palestine" to Issachar ben Mordecai ibn Susan. So I am not sure how to proceed. Do we remove Syria and Palestine from all articles of that era or not? Please clarify asap. Chesdovi ( talk) 22:13, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
Debresser removed “Palestinian rabbi” from Isaac Luria: [8] claiming it is a “POV edit. He was Jewish, he was a kabbalist. He spent only a minority of his years in the Land of Israel”. Please can someone explain why a person who cannot be classified as a Palestinian Jewish kabbalist? The sources do:
Jusmine removed Category:Palestinian journalists from Israel Dov Frumkin: [9]. I suggest re-adding this category. Chesdovi ( talk) 15:08, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
In response to the action taken by an experienced editor resulting from this post, I suggest removing all counrty specific categories from all Jewish people. Chesdovi ( talk) 16:50, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
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I have reverted an IP which removed “Palestinian” from Issachar ben Mordecai ibn Susan. I am awaiting response from another editor as to why she removed the Palestinian category. Chesdovi ( talk) 15:56, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
I have left a message at the creator of Category:Jews from Thessaloniki & Category:Thessalonian Jews, but since she has not been active since 2009. I ask for views about the need for both these cats. Are they not one and the same. I would merge into Category:Thessalonian Jews. Support? Chesdovi ( talk) 15:31, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
I nominated this merger at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2011_August_22#Category:Thessalonian_Jews, but see there that there is a catch. Debresser ( talk) 22:58, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
Do you think use of the term "Palestinian rabbi" is valid in articles of rabbis from Palestine, from antiquity till modern times? ( [10]) Chesdovi ( talk) 12:23, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
Gentlemen, don't you think it's time for an RFC on this issue? It had dragged on quite a bit, and members of other WikiProjects may have particular perspective. I think it is not disputed that for large parts of its history, the current Israel was not known as such. It has been Canaan, Israel, Palestine, etc. Please either start with an RFC or find some other way out of the impasse. JFW | T@lk 15:56, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
(jumps up and waves arms wildly) I can see this causing a headache for some time - the issue being the press often using the word "Palestinian" which implies "(Arab) Palestinian" in many situations. Chesdovi, what would you call the enclave of settlers living in the centre of Hebron? I think a broad discussion is needed and could take place somewhere at Wikipedia:WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration, which was where Wikipedia:Naming conventions (West Bank) was worked out a couple of years ago. Casliber ( talk · contribs) 00:23, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
Can someone check whether this edit is valid: [11]. I think the original category is correct in this case. Chesdovi ( talk) 10:43, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
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"Palestinian rabbis" passes Afd! | |
Palestinian rabbis was kept with an overwhelming majority of 13 votes to 2. A victory for common sense and adherence to
WP:RS and
WP:NCCN. Keep up the good work everyone! Chesdovi ( talk) 13:40, 12 August 2011 (UTC) |
While Medieval rabbis may fall within the sphere of Orthodoxy, some claim the term should not be applied to them as the term is generally used to distinguish between what became a necessity after the rise of reform "rabbis" in the 19th cent. Should we be placing classical rabbis such as Rashi in Category:Orthodox rabbis? Chesdovi ( talk) 12:51, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
I'm on board with not applying the label orthodox (or sub cats thereof) to people who lived before it was an existent term. Joe407 ( talk) 13:11, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
I agree, not because I think it is incorrect, but because it destroys consensus, which is to take no position on how far back Orthodoxy goes. The same would apply to Rabbinic, Pharisaic Judaism, etc. c.f. Jewish religious movements). Mzk1 ( talk) 14:27, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
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Tachlifa the Palestinian - 3rd generation amora! | |
Tachlifa the Palestinian is the latest addition to our collection of Palestinian amoraim. Help expanding this stub will be greatly appreciated! Keep up the good work everyone! Chesdovi ( talk) 13:40, 12 August 2011 (UTC) |
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Avdimi of Haifa - 3rd generation amora! | |
Avdimi of Haifa is the latest addition to our collection of Palestinian amoraim. Help expanding this stub will be greatly appreciated! Keep up the good work everyone! Chesdovi ( talk) 13:40, 12 August 2011 (UTC) |
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Take a deep breath - it's Abba of Jaffa! | |
Abba of Jaffa is the latest addition to our collection of Palestinian amoraim. Help expanding this stub will be greatly appreciated! Keep up the good work everyone! Chesdovi ( talk) 16:04, 26 August 2011 (UTC) |
Sorry for the late notice, but this is scheduled for OTD appearance on August 30 but is going to be omitted for lack of references. Hopefully y'all can get this into shape in two days. Thanks. howcheng { chat} 20:10, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
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All the way from Alexandria - Hanan the Egyptian! | |
Hanan the Egyptian is the latest addition to our collection of Egyptian tannaim. Help expanding this stub will be greatly appreciated! Keep up the good work everyone! Chesdovi ( talk) 20:12, 28 August 2011 (UTC) |
Discussions as to what the article should and should not contain have restarted on Talk:Criticism of Judaism, and outside comments would be helpful. Please see the archives and Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Noleander#Discretionary sanctions for history and active sanctions. Thank you. -- Avi ( talk) 05:51, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
Aharon Kotler has been put up for deletion. Needs help with Sources please help if you can. Nerguy ( talk) 02:28, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
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Foreign Medea in Palestine - it's Nahum the Mede! | |
Nahum the Mede is the latest addition to our collection of Medean tannaim. Help expanding this article will be greatly appreciated! Keep up the good work everyone! Chesdovi ( talk) 14:09, 29 August 2011 (UTC) |
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Simeon the Yemenite - 2nd-century Yemenite tanna! | |
Simeon the Yemenite is the latest addition to our series on tannaim who originated in the diaspora. Help expanding this article will be greatly appreciated! Keep up the good work everyone! Chesdovi ( talk) 18:20, 29 August 2011 (UTC) |