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Please come participate in this discussion: meta:WebCite. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 18:59, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
I've set it to high for now, but it occured to me that Mitsubishi A6M Zero should perhaps be a Top class article? I think it meets the criteria. Cckerberos ( talk) 22:48, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
Please help AKB48 articles that are being destroyed. I can't fight the admin. Please do something. I think there are people who intentionally don't want to understand anything about how Japanese industry works. Read this: Talk:AKB48#Alert: AKB48-related articles are being destroyed. -- Moscow Connection ( talk) 08:10, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
Here's a discussion Drmies started: Talk:Manatsu no Sounds Good!#Fan detail. He explained why he removed the info. He seems to consider track listings and lists of personnel (members) "fan detail" and the external links to King Records website "spam links". He also doesn't seem to think highly of the group, suggesting that they "hop around in bathing suits" (probably instead of actually singing, why else remove the lists of members who sing on each track?) -- Moscow Connection ( talk) 19:28, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
Drmies' edits are somewhat problematic, but much of the issue is with an apparent redundancy. I've restored the tracklisting to Manatsu no Sounds Good!, but removed the tracks which are found on all versions from the type-B and theater edition listings. Ideally, this should be done for all of the pages.— Ryulong ( 琉竜) 09:34, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
Just wanted to bring to everyone's attention the two new awards: the Barnstar 2.0 and the Barnstar of National Merit. The first is just a different version of the Barnsensu and can be awarded as people see fit. The second is a project award which can only be awarded by consensus of the project. The criteria are spelled out there. Anyone who wishes to do start a nomination for the latter (or give out the former) is welcome to do so. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 22:51, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
(Also posted at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sumo) Hi. I'm looking for help with the article on sumo wrestler Hōō Tomomichi. The Japanese Wikipedia claims that he died two months ago but that claim was added by an anonymous editor and is unreferenced so it's possibly bogus. Since I don't understand Japanese and can't even write Google queries in the Japanese writing system, it's very difficult for me to look for sources and I'm hoping someone from this project can help out. Thanks, Pichpich ( talk) 14:51, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
Is it correct or accurate to label the birthplace of Japanese persons born in the 19th century as " Empire of Japan" even when they were born on mainland Japan? My question arises after seeing the Jiroemon Kimura article (on the world's current oldest person) and changing his birth place from Empire of Japan to Japan only to have it reverted (with no explanation). I'm no history expert, but I thought the country has always been called Japan even when it was part of a much larger empire. Can someone put me right? -- DAJF ( talk) 16:26, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
Was a little surprised not to find something on this in the search of the talk page archives, so I thought I'd make sure everyone knows about it. A couple of years ago, NICT translated the text of about 14,000 articles on the Japanese Wikipedia into English to serve as a corpus for machine translation/language translation (if you use 英辞郎, they'll sometimes show up in the results). They released the translations under CC-BY-SA; they can be grabbed from [ here]. The translations aren't perfect and they stripped all the images and citations from the original articles (which, being from the Japanese Wikipedia, didn't exactly have that many in the first place), but there's a lot of stuff there that we don't cover at all. I've tossed up a set of links to the original ja articles included here if you'd like to see what all's there. Cckerberos ( talk) 07:40, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
Someone asked about this on the template's talk page over a year ago, but it would seem to be a good idea to tweak the template so that it automatically adds the pages it is used on to the corresponding "XXXX establishments in Japan" category, based on the year of opening inserted in the infobox. I've had a look, but I am really not confident enough to tinker with the complex syntax of the template myself. Could anyone have a go? Thanks. -- DAJF ( talk) 09:38, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
{{
Infobox London station}}
populates subcategories of
Category:Rail transport stations in London by fare zone according to the value in |fare_zone=
and |fare_zone_1=
- but such practice is discouraged by
WP:TEMPLATECAT. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 12:29, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
Akita (dog), an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Aircorn ( talk • contribs) 21:35, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
Hideki Tōjō has been proposed to be renamed, see talk:Hideki Tōjō -- 65.92.180.137 ( talk) 23:44, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
Just a pointer to one of my FACs that you guys may be interested in. - Dank ( push to talk) 00:33, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
There is a discussion occuring here regarding which music articles should be deemed vital to the Wikipedia project. Your input would be appreciated. GabeMc ( talk| contribs) 22:08, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
The usage of East Sea is under discussion, see talk:East Sea -- 65.92.180.137 ( talk) 00:13, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
A new user created a rather long article Kazusushoku-Hisai that strikes me as original research, if not a hoax. Not only is the name of this supposed kami spelled multiple ways throughout the article, the kanji given are for Hokusai, not an octopus god. I cannot find any English references and can't seem to find anything in Japanese (searching using kana, since the kanji are a mystery). There are lots of references in the article, but the Kasulis page, for instance, does not talk about what the article says it talks about, and the web links are just about octopus culture, not about this supposed god. Can anyone confirm this kami even exists before I mark it for deletion? Michitaro ( talk) 14:05, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
I was just looking at Sino-Xenic and Kanbun and Japanese literature#Ancient literature (until 794) and wondering if there was anyone interested to flesh out a bit with examples of the transitional/co-existence period - such as the Kojiki's Preface vs the body of the Kojiki text? In ictu oculi ( talk) 14:04, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
Please help with translation and the addition of Article. Vyacheslav84 ( talk) 08:57, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Тэнсё Ига-но ран. Как уже говорилось, в период Сэнгоку-дзидай провинция Ига оказалась «бесхозной». Здесь не было даймё, и всю ситуацию контролировала коалиция госи. Лишь во второй половине XVI в. группа влиятельных госи решила для прикрытия «посадить на престол» выбранного ими «даймё» Никки Дандзё Томоумэ. Никки реально никакой властью не обладал, и положение его всецело зависело от настроения «избирателей». А настроение это было чрезвычайно переменчиво. В результате, Никки оказался попросту вышвырнут за пределы Ига. Однако, Ига занимала чрезвычайно выгодное в стратегическом отношении положение – через нее проходила важнейшая дорога Токайдо, и претендентов на нее было хоть отбавляй. В числе положивших глаз на «бесхозную» провинцию был и могущественный властитель соседней провинции Исэ Китабатакэ Нобуо.....Таким образом, владения рода Ода вошли в соприкосновение с провинцией Ига. При взгляде на эту «бесхозную» территорию у Нобуо не мог не разгореться аппетит. Тем более, что еще приемный «папа», Китабатакэ Томонори, приложил немало сил, чтобы прибрать ее к рукам и даже в качестве своего опорного пункта в Ига выстроил на горе Симоками Тодзимару-яма в г. Набари мощную крепость. В результате Нобуо стал составлять планы захвата Ига. Однако покорить гористую провинцию было не так-то просто. Ведь ее контролировали воинственные госи, славившиеся своей искусностью в ратных делах. В повести «Иранки», созданной предположительно монахом из Ига, о них говорится: «С древних времен лучшие воины Ига вызывали восхищение своей армией. По-скольку в своей жизни они не руководствовались обыденными мотивами, они не обращали внимание на смерть и превращались в сущих злых духов, когда сталкивались с врагами. Они не испытывали поражения, которое считалось бы величайшим позором». Тем не менее Ода Нобуо твердо решился действовать и, когда представился удобный повод – в 1579 г. к нему явился видный самурай из Ига Симояма Каи-но Ками с жалобой на некие «безобразия», творящиеся в провинции, и попросил наказать виновных, приступил к претворению своего плана в жизнь. Первым делом он приказал своему вассалу Такигаве Сабуробэю принять меры к укреплению крепости в Набари, которую, по примеру «папочки», решил использовать в качестве своего плацдарма. Замок Маруяма стоял на холме, высотой в 180 метров, с весьма крутыми склонами. С одной стороны его стены нависали над рекой, что делало штурм с этой стороны совершенно нереальным. Однако некоторые оборонительные сооружения были еще недостроены, а Такигава, вместо того, чтобы все делать в тайне, начал строительство с таким размахом и роскошью, что это тотчас привлекло внимание местных госи. Дзи-дзамураи понимали, что Ода Нобуо готовит вторжение в их земли. Поэтому их предводители собрались на совещание в монастыре Хэйраку-дзи близ замка Уэно и, несмотря на то, что между различными кланами существовали значительные разногласия и даже вражда, сумели договориться об организации совместного отпора агрессору. Во главе коалиции встали знаменитые дзёнины Фудзибаяси Нагато-но Ками и Момоти Тамба Ясумицу. После непродолжительных совещаний они и разработали единый план действий. Несколько ниндзя устроились на ра-боту в качестве простых строителей и через несколько дней уже вызнали замыслы Нобуо и все уязвимые места замка. И все же мощь возводимой крепости внушала госи немалые опасения. Поэтому на совещании было решено напасть на нее еще до завершения строительных работ. Заодно планировалось «устранить» и Такигаву Сабуробэя. В июне 1578 г. соединенные войска госи севера и юга провинции Ига во главе с Момоти Тамба неожиданно напали на замок Маруяма. Враг был застигнут врасплох. Ига-моно без труда ворвались в крепость и принялись истреблять ее гарнизон. В этой ситуации часть воинов Оды была блокирована в Маруяма-дзё, часть во главе со своим начальником вырвалась из замка и сосредоточилась в близлежащей деревушке. [1] Vyacheslav84 ( talk) 16:48, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Then first off, I would propose changing the title to Iga ninja uprising, or since gerund should be avoided if possible, I could suggest Iga ninja revolt, Iga ninja rebellion, or Iga ninja insurrection. Also, we could translate directly what's on the J-wiki page: 天正伊賀の乱, which I would translate as Tenshō Iga Revolt. Any English language sources out there? If not, we're breaking ground here. Boneyard90 ( talk) 17:08, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Ok, here are the three main titles I propose, and editors can discuss or vote:
Boneyard90 ( talk) 19:47, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Looks like somebody came up with their own solution. The page was blanked, and made a re-direct to Iga Province. Boneyard90 ( talk) 16:07, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
On the main project page, I moved content from the page of a banned user to Wikipedia:WikiProject Japan/Historical people so we could have it outside of userspace. Anyone is welcome to work on any of the articles there. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 22:16, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Shikai shaw redirected Ryūkyū Province to Ryūkyū Domain. In effect, this is a merge which assumes a false dilemma. This isn't an either-or issue; and red flags are raised by comparisons with Karafuto Province -- see here?
This merge causes an anomaly in Template:Japan Old Province and other articles. I wonder if Wikipedia:Third Opinion is not the best way to move forward with this kind of problem? -- Ansei ( talk) 13:40, 21 March 2013 (UTC) Is it a mistake not to point out possible real world consequences of this small wiki-dispute? This is suggested at the top of the page here:
Is this about point-of-view? -- Ansei ( talk) 14:22, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
Stepping back and a wider perspective may help a bit.
Although the 3rd paragraph of Provinces of Japan does not have cite support, can we agree about the draft words of Takanoha, who explained in 2004: "At the [[Meiji restoration]], soon after Han is legitimized as administrative units, they are replaced with Fu (urban prefectures) and Ken (rural prefectures). While, provinces as the address system are not abolished but augumented on the contrary. As of 1871, the number of prefectures are 304, while the number of provinces is 66, aside from [[Hokkaido]] and [[Ryukyu Province]]. Boundaries among these abundant prefectures are very complicated and not aligned to those of provinces ...."
There is an "under construction" headnote at Ryūkyū Province and Ryūkyū Domain. There are also small changes at History of the Ryukyu Islands#Satsuma domination, 1609-1871 and at History of the Ryukyu Islands#Ryūkyū Domain, 1872–1879. Please comment. -- Ansei ( talk) 16:05, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
From a 17th century perspective, any ontological issues play out in the patterns of a classical East Asian dialogue which asks " when a white horse is not a horse?" That article's edit history shows that Keahapana wrote here in 2007 that there is sometimes a Western bias in parsing whether "a white horse is not a horse". I wonder if there might be a 21st century bias in ontology questions about Ryūkyū Province? Maybe this kind of issue "entails diverse philosophical concepts including Platonic idealism, Substance theory, logical intension or comprehension versus extension or denotation, and the Primary/secondary quality distinction in epistemology"?
@Ryulong, when I read your words, my first thought was about When a white horse is not a horse#Interpretive context. I guess this is not what you meant, but it is on point. -- Ansei ( talk) 01:40, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
The structural difference between the province and the domain is part of what motivates my investment of time in this small article, but this is difficult to explain. I guessed that specific date differences + cite support would be enough to defend the need for two articles. -- Ansei ( talk) 02:36, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Can this be explained in a simpler way?
When the Ryūkyū Domain was created in 1872, Japan's feudal han system had developed in unique ways. The domain was a political and economic abstraction based on periodic cadastral surveys and projected agricultural yields. [han 1] In other words, the domain was defined in terms of kokudaka, not land area. [han 2] This was different than the feudalism of the West.
- _________
- ^ Mass, Jeffrey P. and William B. Hauser. (1987). The Bakufu in Japanese History, p. 150.
- ^ Elison, George and Bardwell L. Smith (1987). Warlords, Artists, & Commoners: Japan in the Sixteenth Century, p. 18.
@Ryulong -- does this provide a satsifactory answer to the ontology question you asked? -- Ansei ( talk) 13:12, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
In my opinion, you earned everyone's thanks by using the word "ontology". It was an outside the box catalyst. The term helped me to look at Japanese provinces and domains in a fresh way.
In addition, the word suggests
tactics and a
strategy for creating and defending a new article on a related subject --
Ryūkyū region. Perhaps this summer we can work together on this?
In the meantime, I wonder if
Ryūkyū region should be a redirect to
Ryūkyū islands? As you may know,
{{ Infobox Japanese film}} has been proposed to be eliminated, see WP:TFD -- 65.92.180.137 ( talk) 07:59, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
file:N518484998 146142 6541.jpg (Japanese curry) has been nominated for deletion -- 65.92.180.137 ( talk) 02:16, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
Several images from the article Black Thunder (chocolate bar) were deleted this morning at Wikimedia Commons, apparently for being non-free use images (it was an inadvertent violation). I opened discussion at Commons:Undeletion requests/Current requests, requesting help finding a solution, yet I only get the redundant "not allowed" formula answer. There are numerous images of brand-products, so what was wrong with the Black Thunder images? How can I get an acceptable image uploaded? Can anyone help? Boneyard90 ( talk) 19:21, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
Daikon has been proposed to be renamed, see talk:Daikon -- 65.92.180.137 ( talk) 21:32, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
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Please come participate in this discussion: meta:WebCite. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 18:59, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
I've set it to high for now, but it occured to me that Mitsubishi A6M Zero should perhaps be a Top class article? I think it meets the criteria. Cckerberos ( talk) 22:48, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
Please help AKB48 articles that are being destroyed. I can't fight the admin. Please do something. I think there are people who intentionally don't want to understand anything about how Japanese industry works. Read this: Talk:AKB48#Alert: AKB48-related articles are being destroyed. -- Moscow Connection ( talk) 08:10, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
Here's a discussion Drmies started: Talk:Manatsu no Sounds Good!#Fan detail. He explained why he removed the info. He seems to consider track listings and lists of personnel (members) "fan detail" and the external links to King Records website "spam links". He also doesn't seem to think highly of the group, suggesting that they "hop around in bathing suits" (probably instead of actually singing, why else remove the lists of members who sing on each track?) -- Moscow Connection ( talk) 19:28, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
Drmies' edits are somewhat problematic, but much of the issue is with an apparent redundancy. I've restored the tracklisting to Manatsu no Sounds Good!, but removed the tracks which are found on all versions from the type-B and theater edition listings. Ideally, this should be done for all of the pages.— Ryulong ( 琉竜) 09:34, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
Just wanted to bring to everyone's attention the two new awards: the Barnstar 2.0 and the Barnstar of National Merit. The first is just a different version of the Barnsensu and can be awarded as people see fit. The second is a project award which can only be awarded by consensus of the project. The criteria are spelled out there. Anyone who wishes to do start a nomination for the latter (or give out the former) is welcome to do so. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 22:51, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
(Also posted at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sumo) Hi. I'm looking for help with the article on sumo wrestler Hōō Tomomichi. The Japanese Wikipedia claims that he died two months ago but that claim was added by an anonymous editor and is unreferenced so it's possibly bogus. Since I don't understand Japanese and can't even write Google queries in the Japanese writing system, it's very difficult for me to look for sources and I'm hoping someone from this project can help out. Thanks, Pichpich ( talk) 14:51, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
Is it correct or accurate to label the birthplace of Japanese persons born in the 19th century as " Empire of Japan" even when they were born on mainland Japan? My question arises after seeing the Jiroemon Kimura article (on the world's current oldest person) and changing his birth place from Empire of Japan to Japan only to have it reverted (with no explanation). I'm no history expert, but I thought the country has always been called Japan even when it was part of a much larger empire. Can someone put me right? -- DAJF ( talk) 16:26, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
Was a little surprised not to find something on this in the search of the talk page archives, so I thought I'd make sure everyone knows about it. A couple of years ago, NICT translated the text of about 14,000 articles on the Japanese Wikipedia into English to serve as a corpus for machine translation/language translation (if you use 英辞郎, they'll sometimes show up in the results). They released the translations under CC-BY-SA; they can be grabbed from [ here]. The translations aren't perfect and they stripped all the images and citations from the original articles (which, being from the Japanese Wikipedia, didn't exactly have that many in the first place), but there's a lot of stuff there that we don't cover at all. I've tossed up a set of links to the original ja articles included here if you'd like to see what all's there. Cckerberos ( talk) 07:40, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
Someone asked about this on the template's talk page over a year ago, but it would seem to be a good idea to tweak the template so that it automatically adds the pages it is used on to the corresponding "XXXX establishments in Japan" category, based on the year of opening inserted in the infobox. I've had a look, but I am really not confident enough to tinker with the complex syntax of the template myself. Could anyone have a go? Thanks. -- DAJF ( talk) 09:38, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
{{
Infobox London station}}
populates subcategories of
Category:Rail transport stations in London by fare zone according to the value in |fare_zone=
and |fare_zone_1=
- but such practice is discouraged by
WP:TEMPLATECAT. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 12:29, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
Akita (dog), an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Aircorn ( talk • contribs) 21:35, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
Hideki Tōjō has been proposed to be renamed, see talk:Hideki Tōjō -- 65.92.180.137 ( talk) 23:44, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
Just a pointer to one of my FACs that you guys may be interested in. - Dank ( push to talk) 00:33, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
There is a discussion occuring here regarding which music articles should be deemed vital to the Wikipedia project. Your input would be appreciated. GabeMc ( talk| contribs) 22:08, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
The usage of East Sea is under discussion, see talk:East Sea -- 65.92.180.137 ( talk) 00:13, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
A new user created a rather long article Kazusushoku-Hisai that strikes me as original research, if not a hoax. Not only is the name of this supposed kami spelled multiple ways throughout the article, the kanji given are for Hokusai, not an octopus god. I cannot find any English references and can't seem to find anything in Japanese (searching using kana, since the kanji are a mystery). There are lots of references in the article, but the Kasulis page, for instance, does not talk about what the article says it talks about, and the web links are just about octopus culture, not about this supposed god. Can anyone confirm this kami even exists before I mark it for deletion? Michitaro ( talk) 14:05, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
I was just looking at Sino-Xenic and Kanbun and Japanese literature#Ancient literature (until 794) and wondering if there was anyone interested to flesh out a bit with examples of the transitional/co-existence period - such as the Kojiki's Preface vs the body of the Kojiki text? In ictu oculi ( talk) 14:04, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
Please help with translation and the addition of Article. Vyacheslav84 ( talk) 08:57, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Тэнсё Ига-но ран. Как уже говорилось, в период Сэнгоку-дзидай провинция Ига оказалась «бесхозной». Здесь не было даймё, и всю ситуацию контролировала коалиция госи. Лишь во второй половине XVI в. группа влиятельных госи решила для прикрытия «посадить на престол» выбранного ими «даймё» Никки Дандзё Томоумэ. Никки реально никакой властью не обладал, и положение его всецело зависело от настроения «избирателей». А настроение это было чрезвычайно переменчиво. В результате, Никки оказался попросту вышвырнут за пределы Ига. Однако, Ига занимала чрезвычайно выгодное в стратегическом отношении положение – через нее проходила важнейшая дорога Токайдо, и претендентов на нее было хоть отбавляй. В числе положивших глаз на «бесхозную» провинцию был и могущественный властитель соседней провинции Исэ Китабатакэ Нобуо.....Таким образом, владения рода Ода вошли в соприкосновение с провинцией Ига. При взгляде на эту «бесхозную» территорию у Нобуо не мог не разгореться аппетит. Тем более, что еще приемный «папа», Китабатакэ Томонори, приложил немало сил, чтобы прибрать ее к рукам и даже в качестве своего опорного пункта в Ига выстроил на горе Симоками Тодзимару-яма в г. Набари мощную крепость. В результате Нобуо стал составлять планы захвата Ига. Однако покорить гористую провинцию было не так-то просто. Ведь ее контролировали воинственные госи, славившиеся своей искусностью в ратных делах. В повести «Иранки», созданной предположительно монахом из Ига, о них говорится: «С древних времен лучшие воины Ига вызывали восхищение своей армией. По-скольку в своей жизни они не руководствовались обыденными мотивами, они не обращали внимание на смерть и превращались в сущих злых духов, когда сталкивались с врагами. Они не испытывали поражения, которое считалось бы величайшим позором». Тем не менее Ода Нобуо твердо решился действовать и, когда представился удобный повод – в 1579 г. к нему явился видный самурай из Ига Симояма Каи-но Ками с жалобой на некие «безобразия», творящиеся в провинции, и попросил наказать виновных, приступил к претворению своего плана в жизнь. Первым делом он приказал своему вассалу Такигаве Сабуробэю принять меры к укреплению крепости в Набари, которую, по примеру «папочки», решил использовать в качестве своего плацдарма. Замок Маруяма стоял на холме, высотой в 180 метров, с весьма крутыми склонами. С одной стороны его стены нависали над рекой, что делало штурм с этой стороны совершенно нереальным. Однако некоторые оборонительные сооружения были еще недостроены, а Такигава, вместо того, чтобы все делать в тайне, начал строительство с таким размахом и роскошью, что это тотчас привлекло внимание местных госи. Дзи-дзамураи понимали, что Ода Нобуо готовит вторжение в их земли. Поэтому их предводители собрались на совещание в монастыре Хэйраку-дзи близ замка Уэно и, несмотря на то, что между различными кланами существовали значительные разногласия и даже вражда, сумели договориться об организации совместного отпора агрессору. Во главе коалиции встали знаменитые дзёнины Фудзибаяси Нагато-но Ками и Момоти Тамба Ясумицу. После непродолжительных совещаний они и разработали единый план действий. Несколько ниндзя устроились на ра-боту в качестве простых строителей и через несколько дней уже вызнали замыслы Нобуо и все уязвимые места замка. И все же мощь возводимой крепости внушала госи немалые опасения. Поэтому на совещании было решено напасть на нее еще до завершения строительных работ. Заодно планировалось «устранить» и Такигаву Сабуробэя. В июне 1578 г. соединенные войска госи севера и юга провинции Ига во главе с Момоти Тамба неожиданно напали на замок Маруяма. Враг был застигнут врасплох. Ига-моно без труда ворвались в крепость и принялись истреблять ее гарнизон. В этой ситуации часть воинов Оды была блокирована в Маруяма-дзё, часть во главе со своим начальником вырвалась из замка и сосредоточилась в близлежащей деревушке. [1] Vyacheslav84 ( talk) 16:48, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Then first off, I would propose changing the title to Iga ninja uprising, or since gerund should be avoided if possible, I could suggest Iga ninja revolt, Iga ninja rebellion, or Iga ninja insurrection. Also, we could translate directly what's on the J-wiki page: 天正伊賀の乱, which I would translate as Tenshō Iga Revolt. Any English language sources out there? If not, we're breaking ground here. Boneyard90 ( talk) 17:08, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Ok, here are the three main titles I propose, and editors can discuss or vote:
Boneyard90 ( talk) 19:47, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Looks like somebody came up with their own solution. The page was blanked, and made a re-direct to Iga Province. Boneyard90 ( talk) 16:07, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
On the main project page, I moved content from the page of a banned user to Wikipedia:WikiProject Japan/Historical people so we could have it outside of userspace. Anyone is welcome to work on any of the articles there. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 22:16, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Shikai shaw redirected Ryūkyū Province to Ryūkyū Domain. In effect, this is a merge which assumes a false dilemma. This isn't an either-or issue; and red flags are raised by comparisons with Karafuto Province -- see here?
This merge causes an anomaly in Template:Japan Old Province and other articles. I wonder if Wikipedia:Third Opinion is not the best way to move forward with this kind of problem? -- Ansei ( talk) 13:40, 21 March 2013 (UTC) Is it a mistake not to point out possible real world consequences of this small wiki-dispute? This is suggested at the top of the page here:
Is this about point-of-view? -- Ansei ( talk) 14:22, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
Stepping back and a wider perspective may help a bit.
Although the 3rd paragraph of Provinces of Japan does not have cite support, can we agree about the draft words of Takanoha, who explained in 2004: "At the [[Meiji restoration]], soon after Han is legitimized as administrative units, they are replaced with Fu (urban prefectures) and Ken (rural prefectures). While, provinces as the address system are not abolished but augumented on the contrary. As of 1871, the number of prefectures are 304, while the number of provinces is 66, aside from [[Hokkaido]] and [[Ryukyu Province]]. Boundaries among these abundant prefectures are very complicated and not aligned to those of provinces ...."
There is an "under construction" headnote at Ryūkyū Province and Ryūkyū Domain. There are also small changes at History of the Ryukyu Islands#Satsuma domination, 1609-1871 and at History of the Ryukyu Islands#Ryūkyū Domain, 1872–1879. Please comment. -- Ansei ( talk) 16:05, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
From a 17th century perspective, any ontological issues play out in the patterns of a classical East Asian dialogue which asks " when a white horse is not a horse?" That article's edit history shows that Keahapana wrote here in 2007 that there is sometimes a Western bias in parsing whether "a white horse is not a horse". I wonder if there might be a 21st century bias in ontology questions about Ryūkyū Province? Maybe this kind of issue "entails diverse philosophical concepts including Platonic idealism, Substance theory, logical intension or comprehension versus extension or denotation, and the Primary/secondary quality distinction in epistemology"?
@Ryulong, when I read your words, my first thought was about When a white horse is not a horse#Interpretive context. I guess this is not what you meant, but it is on point. -- Ansei ( talk) 01:40, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
The structural difference between the province and the domain is part of what motivates my investment of time in this small article, but this is difficult to explain. I guessed that specific date differences + cite support would be enough to defend the need for two articles. -- Ansei ( talk) 02:36, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Can this be explained in a simpler way?
When the Ryūkyū Domain was created in 1872, Japan's feudal han system had developed in unique ways. The domain was a political and economic abstraction based on periodic cadastral surveys and projected agricultural yields. [han 1] In other words, the domain was defined in terms of kokudaka, not land area. [han 2] This was different than the feudalism of the West.
- _________
- ^ Mass, Jeffrey P. and William B. Hauser. (1987). The Bakufu in Japanese History, p. 150.
- ^ Elison, George and Bardwell L. Smith (1987). Warlords, Artists, & Commoners: Japan in the Sixteenth Century, p. 18.
@Ryulong -- does this provide a satsifactory answer to the ontology question you asked? -- Ansei ( talk) 13:12, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
In my opinion, you earned everyone's thanks by using the word "ontology". It was an outside the box catalyst. The term helped me to look at Japanese provinces and domains in a fresh way.
In addition, the word suggests
tactics and a
strategy for creating and defending a new article on a related subject --
Ryūkyū region. Perhaps this summer we can work together on this?
In the meantime, I wonder if
Ryūkyū region should be a redirect to
Ryūkyū islands? As you may know,
{{ Infobox Japanese film}} has been proposed to be eliminated, see WP:TFD -- 65.92.180.137 ( talk) 07:59, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
file:N518484998 146142 6541.jpg (Japanese curry) has been nominated for deletion -- 65.92.180.137 ( talk) 02:16, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
Several images from the article Black Thunder (chocolate bar) were deleted this morning at Wikimedia Commons, apparently for being non-free use images (it was an inadvertent violation). I opened discussion at Commons:Undeletion requests/Current requests, requesting help finding a solution, yet I only get the redundant "not allowed" formula answer. There are numerous images of brand-products, so what was wrong with the Black Thunder images? How can I get an acceptable image uploaded? Can anyone help? Boneyard90 ( talk) 19:21, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
Daikon has been proposed to be renamed, see talk:Daikon -- 65.92.180.137 ( talk) 21:32, 31 March 2013 (UTC)