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Hello Everyone, I found a need (and support) for an Israel WikiProject. There are many pages relating to Israel on WikiPedia, and I think it is important that they are all kept to a high standard. I cannot do this alone, so please join in.
I am apparently not good at the template images thing. Could someone please link the image to an actual image of the flag of Israel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eric1985 ( talk • contribs)
I'm in. Ask me for anything about the Chareidi world. Bnei Brak, Jerusalem etc. -- Daniel575 | (talk) 13:35, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
I suggest we use this page for project-related discussions. For general ones, there is WP:WNBI that many users already have in their watchlist. ← Humus sapiens ну? 00:34, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
"Objects to the idea of creating a virtual Israeli state on Wikipedia that annexes pages - including those for Palestinian towns it ethnically cleansed - to itself, but if such a project is to exist, will monitor its development with the aim of ensuring as much balance as is possible in such a blatantly biased endeavour" (Tiamut)
What is this supposed to mean? Please clarify exactly what contribution you are going to make to Israel-related articles. If your main purpose is complaining about fictional POV issues, I do not understand why you register as a member of this project. -- Daniel575 | (talk) 12:47, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
On a side note, User:Heckhgs may also need to be deleted. His own user page states that he isn't really into editing articles and only placed his name on this project page because he 'hates Israel'.
And, Gmar Hatima Tova, of course. Have an easy fast. --
Ynhockey (
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13:31, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Excuse me, but I thought this Wiki group was open to anyone who had an interest in editing articles related to Israel in a quality, non-biased fashion. It seems as though you are contradicting yourselves when you purge the only two joiners to your project who obviously don't idolize the Israeli state. Perhaps we might provide some important balance, no? For your information, I'm a citizen of that state and believe that I have a right to participate in both its real and virtual democratic realms. You can't just edit the rules for joining right after I join up just so as to specifically exclude me. Or is your objective not as described? Please respond. Thank you! Tiamut 15:56, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Also, I've reviewed some of the other project members' histories. User:Gronkmeister only joined Wikipedia in mid-September. If I open a new account and write everyday from the first day forward, can I join too? User:Ilikefood took a three month hiatus from Wikipedia between June and September of this year, about the same amount of time I was out of editing. Additionally, I have edited a number of Israel-related pages. In fact, how I came to know of this project was when I went to page for Tzippori which I have worked on and found it associated with this group, which is why I felt compelled to join. I also edited pages on Nazareth and Arab citizens of Israel. And, I don't edit once every few months. I edit a lot when I do log on and take breaks between logging on. I think your newly formulated "rules" need some reviewing. They are not being applied fairly across the board and without a minimum time being an editor at Wikipedia being stipulated, they don't make much sense. Accordingly, I have re-added my name to your project list. If you want to remove me again, I would appreciate a full and detailed explanation as to why. But I would prefer that we put this matter behind us and get to work. Tiamut 16:39, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
07:46, 29 October 2006 (UTC) Of course they are free to join! -- Daniel575 | (talk) 11:22, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
You were too kind Elizmr. I just noticed that PalestineRemembered has vandaliszed your page [1] in a way worthy of a ban no doubt. It seems PalestineRemembered should recruit to a Hamas/Hizballah project page (if they accept women that is) since it seems she wants Israel to be exterminated. Not a good canditate for the project I would presume. Amoruso 18:33, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
You can post on user pages as much as you want, but please don't claim WP:BITE when you comment like this. [2] I really do think, respectfully, that from your comments you might be interested in opening up a wikiproject: Wiping off Zionism or Infidel Burning and discuss anti Israeli issues there. This page is not for you. And yes, it's perfectly ok to "bite at" rude people who have the audacity to wish for your and your nation's horrid death and then wish to participate in that country's "wikiproject". Amoruso 21:47, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Whoa, whoa, whoa ... c'mon guys, what's with all the hostility here. I read PalestineRemembered comments, and while they may be difficult for some to hear, they do not warrant such miscahracterization, speculation, or vitriol. She does not "wish" that Israel would "die a horrid death," she merely expresses her opinion that that's where its heading if doesn't change the way it interacts with its neighbours. You can disagree with that opinion, you can say she's wrong, but to call the comments "vandalism", make libellous accusations of her being a member of the groups she discusses, or other such nonsense totally violates WP:AGF, WP:Civility and WP:BITE. She spologized for placing comments in the wrong place and she hasn't come close to responding with the same level of hostility towards individual statements here. Having experienced similar levels of hostility for totally benign statements that go against the majority opinion here (see my run-in, thankfully solved quickly with good faith on both our parts, with Lord Ameth below), perhaps it's time to reconsider the general attitude among members of the project towards those whose viewpoints differ from our own. Tiamut 23:46, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you think would be an appropriate way to express my disapproval. I left her a note on her talk page which she did not answer and I took exception with your tacit approval of her attacks here. I don't think that's too extreme. OK I used bold, but honestly, calling someone an infidel is nasty and hostile and deeply offensive especially when it is someone who practices one religion saying this about someone who practices another religion. It is just not OK.
I meant what I said about your editing, it is good, but when someone goes around calling another editor an "infidel" and you defend them it is not a good reflection on your integrity. I don't see this in black and white. You might notice that I haven't defended anyone's personal attacks just because I agree with them on broad issues.
Finally, asking someone to be civil to other editors and to follow Wikipedia rules is not psychological harassment. People who behave without civility on Wikipedia get asked to be CIVIL. Respect. Elizmr 23:29, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Tiamut you might want to have a look at WP:NPA and understand the difference between calling other users by name and talking about the conflict in general. I disagree with your assessments on the issue, I think it's based on nothing in reality and a poor accusation also an incivil attempt to change the issue from palestineremembered terrible recent behaviour. While that's her business, she should stay away from here since it's obvious she can't contribute to the project. Amoruso 01:29, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, Humus, turn the other cheek. After all, after all the appalling things the Jews have done, you really can't expect anyone to pull their punches, can you? Tiamut, realistically, there is a point when one can no longer assume good faith. PR has crossed that line. Elizmr 23:35, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
It seems that this list didn't get much attention at WP:WNBI, so I'm copying it here (minus articles already created):
Here's a short list of articles about people which don't exist on EnWiki yet, but do on HeWiki:
-- Ynhockey ( Talk) 22:02, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
I started editing the Law of Return article. Any feedback on changes I made to the first half of the article are welcome. I could also use some help in locating citations for places that are currently missing some. Thanks! Tiamut 15:45, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
While there is already the Barnstar of National Merit, I think we should introduce an award that is more relevant to this project and also to similar projects like Judaism, Jewish history, etc. How about something like the WikiStar of David, for all the aforementioned projects? If it gets approved, I will work on an image (and encourage others to do so). -- Ynhockey ( Talk) 21:50, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
-- יהושועEric 06:09, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I have made another image, see left. I think it is better and have arrogantly replaced the old image :P if you disagree, please say so and we will reach a consensus. As the image description says, blue was used as a background plus the sound emanation image in order to make it look kind of like Dover Zahal, who defends Israel in the media war. -- Ynhockey ( Talk) 12:24, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
I have since corrected the image in order not to use the Wikipedia logo. Please comment. -- Ynhockey ( Talk) 11:39, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
The article on the Rock of the Dome of the Rock, the Rock on which Abraham nearly sacrificed Isaac, is currently listed under Sakhrah, the Arabic term. I personally have never heard of it being called "The Foundation Stone" before, nor am I familiar with the Hebrew word. But if anyone has any suggestions, I would invite you to contribute to a discussion on that article's talk page; we're looking to find a term, preferably in English, which accurately and specifically describes said Rock, and which will be acceptable to editors and readers of both faiths. Thank you. LordAmeth 22:35, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
I can't find a general article about Israeli cuisine. Does one exist? Israeli food is just a redirect to Category:Israeli cuisine. (This question came up because I was trying to figure out what would be considered the typical native alcoholic beverage of Israel.) -- Metropolitan90 05:03, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
I was wondering whether you'd agree we need to change the picture of the template at Yom Kippur War. Israel won the war and that picture may be misleading as it only represents the beginning of the war. I was thinking something could be made like the picture in the template of 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict that shows 3 pictures including bombed areas both in lebanon and haifa making it fair and balanced. Maybe one can add Ariel Sharon's picture with a bandage, famous icon photo of the war or some other photo next to the egyptian soldiers. If people agree, maybe someone with good photo and wiki skills can create that image and use it ? Amoruso 02:55, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Should there be a subcategory "Companies in Israel" or "Companies with facilities in Israel"? This would include Intel, Motorola, IBM, AOL, and a long, long list of other tech companies that have major operations in Israel.
See the concerns over Talk:Israel#Permanent semi-protection. I wonder how we can address the issue that Israel's article will be attacked fervently but it seems that nobody is concerned with articles concerning Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Iran... I would have thought that the same amount of users, non Israelis or Jews or with Israeli past, who are concerned with the article, will also be concerned with other country articles - but it doesn't work that way... those articles are left dignified and under no attacks, no mention of controversies, no WP:POV warring. They are presented as normal country articles where the lead is always very factual and sympahetic. I wonder why and how can wikipedia have a standard format for WP:LEAD in country articles and try to eliminate the prejudice of haters of Israel in the Israel article. The main issue is that Israel is regarded by those users as not a normal country. The user Dainelos who is not an Arab or a hater but proposed many changes also claimed that Israel is a "unique country" etc. I feel that this line of thought is an attack on Israel's sovregnity as state and I just wonder if there can be some perspective or edits by us on other country articles in the region atleast to attempt to balance the heavy and undue bias. Amoruso 07:55, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Dear Ameth, I fail to see how my comments were "anti-productive". This is a discussion page, not an article, and one's opinion on a matter introduced by others is allowed to be expressed. Amoruso and I have been deeply engaged on the talk pages over the Israel article. He brought the matter to the attention of the members of the Wikiproject:Israel, where I am also a member. He expressed his opinion and I offered my opinion. I did not make any "personal" or "cultural" attacks. Nor do my edits to the Israel article show any evidence of being those of a "prejudicial and racist vandal." I am not attacking "other people's countries"; Israel/Palestine is my country. My family's roots here go back more than 800 years, I am citizen of Israel itself, and I live here. I welcome any and all reviews of my correspondence or editing content. Please do call for an outside mediator should you find it necessary. I believe that any impartial observer will find that I am serious editor, interested in accomodating other points of views and able to reach agreement with others when they are serious about NPOV. Thanks for listening. Tiamut 13:55, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
LordAmeth, thanks for apologizing to Tiamut. You must have had a really bad mood when you wrote that whole attack on Tiamut. You were judging too fast, way too harsh and much too reckless. About the 'Nevertheless' part - that is correct. -- Daniel575 | (talk) 15:10, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
1) Can you name a single Middle Eastern country other than Israel that has the same degree of free elections, parliamentary procedures, and isn't controlled by a dictator or non-elected theocratic oligarchy? Answer: Lebanon and Turkey. 2) More to the point, can you name a single country whose citizens enjoy the same degree of personal freedoms that Israelis do? Answer: Lebanon and Turkey. 3) Are Jews treated as fairly and kindly in any Arab country as Arabs are in Israel? Answer: Yes. In Morocco, Jews hold high positions in the current government as ministers and legislators.
I think that we have enough articles that we should work on a rating system for Israel articles. We should strive to have the best quality articles representing Israel, maybe a few featured articles in there too.
I just started a rating system sub-page at: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Israel/Assessment. The template needs to be edited to allow for the relevant changes, and is beyond my Wiki knowledge. Please help edit and complete this page to begin rating articles. We should have a large number of quality articles on Israel, and should work together to achieve more of them. -- יהושועEric 03:01, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
We're going to have to put an eye on it... see [7]. Perhaps we can use the maps that Encarta or National Geographic use. See discussion talk. We can't let the map of Israel be an extreme WP:POV version IMO. Amoruso 06:21, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
I was just looking, and the Israel portal hasn't been updated in about a month. I think we should put up a new picture and selected article.
We might also post something about rating articles as we had discussed earlier.
Just a thought, -- יהושועEric 19:09, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
I was wondering how the total area of Israel was calculated since Israel has no declared borders ?
I spend some time on that crazy stuff at http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Category_talk:Israel . Check the bottom of that page. Need others to help me. After I said the guy is an antisemitic bigot who belongs in a psychiatric hospital (read his quotes before condemning me for saying such things), two other administratos immediately attacked me. Note that the antisemitic bigot in question, PVJ, is himself an administrator also. I already have three administrators against me on Wikinews, because I refuse to be polite against someone who calls for the annihalation of every Israeli and denies that it exists in the first place. Moreover, it is simply shocking that a person with such views is an ADMINISTRATOR there. -- Daniel575 | (talk) 16:53, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 16:16, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
2006 Jerusalem gay pride parade. -- Daniel575 | (talk) 21:45, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm wondering if there is a guideline for Israel-related articles, such as Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Israel-related articles) or something similar. — Viriditas | Talk 00:11, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Hello. I'm not sure if HERE is the right place or WP:WNBI or someplace else, so let me know what you think, for future cases. :)
Recently I checked the article on Karmiel and noticed some info was added to the history section about Karmiel's establishment. This info is from a book by Sabri Jiryis (with a Noam Chomsky foreword), so it seems bias is likely. Can anyone shed more light on this from another perspective?
ehudshapira 23:36, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
I need some help with the above entry. See the discussion on Talk:Operation Autumn Clouds. Thanks. El_C 00:03, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi: See Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 November 23#Category:Anti-Semitic people. Thank you. IZAK 10:47, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Check out the list of massacres commited by Israeli forces. Although many of these events can undoubtably be described as massacres, some of them use the term in a highly debatable way. I suggest either changing the name of the article or (preferably) deleting the more debatable "massacres" from the list (Beit Hanoun and 2006 Qana are the ones I am most disturbed by). -- GHcool 07:23, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
There is an effort to turn WP Project Israel into WP Project anti-Israel by POV warriors like this [8]. Thoughts? ← Humus sapiens ну ? 21:44, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Like most proponents of the " Zionism is racism" UN resolution, Pco has probably never heard or read an NPOV definition of Zionism so she could decide for herself [10] whether or not Zionism is actually racism. According to Random House Webster's College Dictionary, Zionism is simply "a worldwide Jewish movement for the establishment and development of the State of Israel." Like any political ideology, there is a wide variety of interpretation of this ideology ( Christian Zionism, Labor Zionism, etc.), but what they all have in common is exactly what Olmert said: the belief that the Jewish people have a right to a sovereign Jewish state in at least a part of the Land of Israel. It is doubtful that any reasonable, fair-minded person aware of the history of the Jews and of the Middle East would be against the development of a modern nation in the Middle East safe for Jews to live in (assuming that person is not from a nation that is in a state of war with that nation). Furthermore, Zionism is a term that more accurately reflects a pre- Jewish state mentality than for identification with the State of Israel in the 21st century. For a rebuttal to Pco's unreferenced, confused, and misinformed take on Resolution 242, you're welcome to read it here.
Luckily, unlike Pco, most Wikipedians play by the rules of reliable citations, no original research, and (for the most part) NPOV. Pco has also been warned for violating Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. [11] Although as far as I know, Wikipedia does not have a rule against wacko opinions (provided they are not included into articles as original research), its important to note that Pco has a funny way of defining what is and is not racist. Her defense of the International Conference to Review the Global Vision of the Holocaust in Iran in which she wrote, "I think that a holocaust deniers [sic] conference is a good idea" (emphasis added) speaks volumes about where her point of view when it comes to the Jewish state, Jewish history, and perhaps even Judaism in general. [12] For this reason, I urge honest Wikipedians not to take anything that Pco says seriously on any matter pertaining to the Jewish people. Perhaps its time for Pco to resign from WikiProject Israel ... -- GHcool 08:43, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
An Atlas of Israel can now be found at Commons. Electionworld Talk? 16:24, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
I read this article on the Middle East Forum website and was surprised to find that there is very little on Wikipedia about the issue of hate education in the Palestinian territories. Of course, the title would have to be more NPOV than "Hate education in the Palestinian territories," but the phenomenon is an important factor in the Arab-Israeli conflict. There must be dozens, if not hundreds, of sources on the topic. As far as I know, there is no WikiProject Palestinian Authority, so should we build this page? -- GHcool 20:45, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello all. I've just written an article on Norihiro Yasue, one of the Japanese army officers involved in formulating the Fugu Plan, which, while quite misguided in the reasoning behind it, did save many Jewish lives during the war. The article on him on the Japanese Wikipedia indicates that he was involved in founding Israel, which is impossible since he was in a Soviet labor camp from 1945 until his death in 1950. However, he did meet with Chaim Weizmann and David Ben-Gurion in 1926. Does anyone know anything more about this, and what role he may have had? The Japanese Wikipedia article also indicates that he was inscribed in "The Golden Book" as a person who helped make humanity great or something to that effect. A quick cursory search reveals nothing about this Golden Book at all, on the English Wikipedia. Any thoughts? Thanks. LordAmeth 01:37, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello, I made this template {{ World Heritage Sites in Israel}} based on the other World Heritage Sites navigation templates. Could anyone please review and possibly approve before I start adding it to the blue linked articles? Also if anyone would like to help start the two articles that aren't started, that would be great. DVD+ R/W 02:25, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 20:53, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
It looks like WikiProject Arab-Israeli conflict has now been reopened. It seems to cover similar ground that our WikiProject covers. Should we join it? -- GHcool 07:26, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Is there a WikiProject Palestine, for those editors who want to work on Palestine-related articles? Should we begin one?
I note this in the "NPOV" section:
"Other biases"? Erm, hello? You have set up a project whose idea of "NPOV" is to protect pages against other points of view than a pro-Israeli one? Would you find it acceptable were there a statement of intent in another project that said "Do not be biased against Israel. However, protect pages against pro-Israeli bias"? Grace Note 05:27, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
The WikiProject Israel is the same as WikiProject Brazil or any other wikiproject, most countries have one. It has nothing to do with NPOV or POV etc. Amoruso 12:53, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
While the new layout is pretty, I don't think it is very functional. I think having a one page project page would work better and keep WP Israel closer to other Wikiprojects. Before I do anything to revert it, I think it would be best to have a vote. Please vote affirm to vote for changing to one page or against to leave it the way it is. Sign your posts. -- יהושועEric 01:37, 26 February 2007 (UTC) (Deadline to vote Wednesday at midnight Israel time.)
Affirm - More efficient, similar to other projects. -- יהושועEric 01:37, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Affirm - per above. -- GHcool 02:55, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Affirm. LordAmeth 19:35, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
It looks unanimous. I will fix it up tonight. -- יהושועEric 04:30, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I believe this article is not neutral i have left a point on the discussion board but no-one has replied. Squall1991 09:56, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm hoping some of you might take a look at a dispute between myself and NYScholar at the bottom of the Palestine Peace not Apartheid discussion page (Section 19: "Criticism vs. Carter's response") and weigh in. To me it seems that the main article is very much not neutral and skewed toward's Carter's POV, but NYScholar is trying to reject my proposed changes. Any input would be appreciated. Gni 17:07, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I made a big addition under the premise that the situation under the british mandate was basically a "binational solution" without a state. I'm guessing it's likely to be challenged. Please check it out, -- Urthogie 23:12, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
"I am Israeli so i can get a lot of good info and rid wikipedia of the anti-semitism on it ", " I am definitely a defender of Israel", "Yey for Israel","Israel!!!!!" Pretty much sums up the "No-point of View" Wikipedia Israel project. The article itself talks about anti-semitism but makes no reference to pro-Israel propoganda distortions which appear on pretty much every Wikipedia Israel page. The only balanced positions tend to be found in the discussions - but even those are subject to deletions. Reading those its clear who always has their way - there is in fact a very strong pro-Israeli point of view as expressed in the quotes above pervading just about every Israel page. For those of us with some knowledge - often laughably biased. Anyone looking for balance should look elsewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.252.240.24 ( talk) 08:20, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
I am not part of the project but while browsing wikipedia I came upon the Israeli Unit 101. The article was strangely worded so i went to the discussion page and to my surprise found it was under the WikiProject Palestine and not WikiProject Israel. I found that odd since it was talking about an Israeli unit. -- Hadees 03:35, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I'm not part of the project but I was looking in Google Earth and see that there is an option to ad links to wikipedia there, and saw that Israel is very underrepresented in this aspect. does someone know more about this? do other people want to participate? it seems that if you put in coordinates in the wikipedia article, google once in a while adds it to the google earth/map. Moblid 09:45, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
I started a rating system sub-page at: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Israel/Assessment. The template needs to be edited to allow for the relevant changes, and is beyond my Wiki knowledge. Please help edit and complete this page to begin rating articles. We should have a large number of quality articles on Israel, and should work together to achieve more of them. -- יהושועEric 03:05, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
I have edited the template to allow for classification. I would like to add one of those grids to the project page saying how many articles we have in each category. If you know how, please go ahead and add it. I do not know how, but will try to research it if no one works on it. -- יהושועEric 06:48, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
I figured out all of the technical stuff and the system is working. However, there are more than 525 Israel articles on Wikipedia. Please help tag them all! -- יהושועEric 05:29, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I made a big addition under the premise that the situation under the british mandate was basically a "binational solution" without a state. I'm guessing it's likely to be challenged. Please check it out, -- Urthogie 14:24, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Seems to be a revert war brewing on that page. Baka man 03:45, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
In being a frequent editor to the politics section, I am troubled by the amount of links to Arutz Sheva and Israel National News pieces being used as references by a small but persistant group of editors, particularly noticeable in the Israel's unilateral disengagement plan article. My opinion is that they definitely aren't credible sources - they're right wing propaganda tools of the settlers (one article for instance claims 250,000 at a protest march, whilst Ynet puts it at 70,000).
Perhaps we should draw up a list of reliable sources on Israeli affairs. To begin with, I suggest:
However, there is also a problem with JPost and Haaretz articles that they disappear quite quickly - all the ones I checked from the disengagement article were broken. It's also shame that Ma'ariv don't have an English version. Number 57 12:30, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
If anyone finds the time, I believe it would be useful to closely review the Contributions of a bot I just blocked for inserting en mass the wikiproject template in what appears to be less than accurate manner. (more details available here). בברכה, El_C 23:04, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I asked the bot owner to insert the template on every page in category Israel and all of the subcategories. There are too many pages to do it manually, and I think it would be easier to remove the bad ones than add them all ourselves. -- יהושועEric 17:55, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi Everyone, I was looking at the WP Israel Statistics and noticed that we don't have any articles with a quality higher than B-class. That makes me sad. I was thinking that a collaboration (similar to the Orthodox Rabbi of the Week at WP Judaism) is in order. Do people support this? Would you help? Should it be weekly, biweekly, monthly? Speak your opinion here. I will make a template and subpage for it if that is the consensus.
Elie Yossef (6 hits on google), Karma Feinstein-Cohen (18 hits) and Yehuda HaKohen. The latter is ridiculously overdetailed for such a minor personality, suggesting it is either self-written or produced by an associate. They seem to be springing from overpromotion of the Magshimey Herut and the Zionist Freedom Alliance, two organisations I have never heard of despite a pretty detailed knowledge of the Israeli political scene.
As I have not nominated an article for deletion before, I thought I'd seek some opinions whether it's an appropriate course for these. Number 57 14:50, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Some input from members of WikiProject Israel is requested in regards to a peer review for the Jerusalem article:
I have been working on this article for the past three months and I'm hoping to put this up for featured article status sometime in the near future. Essentially, I'm looking for a critique of the article and suggestions for things that might need to be rectified prior to submitting it for a featured article candidacy.
You are, of course, welcome to assist in other areas as well. Thanks in advance for any help you may provide. -- tariqabjotu 16:06, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Any chance of more citations from the Holy Scriptures? WikiNew 16:12, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your hard work. I truly do apologize for introducing POV issues into this, but I think a few minor changes here and there would be good to ensure the objectivity of the article's message. LordAmeth 19:54, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
I would shorten the religious significance section. The sub pages should be sufficient for most of what is there. That would help with the length issue. I might also link to category: neighborhoods of Jerusalem somewhere. -- יהושועEric 03:17, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
It is important to distingush between the Old City and the New or West and East Jerusalem. Fbc215 18:08, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Jerusalem is currently undergoing a featured article candidacy. The FAC page is transcluded below (feel free to remove it from this page if the FAC gets too long):
Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Jerusalem/archive1
Why has Jerusalem not been added to the category of FA status Israel articles? I suspect it's a problem with the template. nadav 04:39, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
I would like to invite you all to participate in a discussion at this thread regarding bilateral relations between two countries. All articles related to foreign relations between countries are now under the scope of WikiProject Foreign relations, a newly created project. We hope that the discussion will result in a more clean and organized way of explaining such relationships. Thank you. Ed ¿Cómo estás? 18:15, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
I am concerned about how all the Category:Israeli people by occupation subcategories are also contained in Category:Jews by occupation. What of the many non-Jews living in Israel. This is an incrorrect and unfair classification. nadav 02:23, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Should a template be created for members of Knesset (like the one in the hebrew Wikipedia)? Chocom 10:01, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
I'll get something started. Stay tuned. Chocom 10:32, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
The Shimon Peres article is currently undergoing a peer review at Wikiproject Biography and is also a good article candidate. I have personally stated that although the article is well written, it suffers from recentism and is not ready for GA status yet.-- Oneworld25 05:22, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
I am by no means an expert on the subject, but I feel that this article is worthy of a medium rating. It is an admirable and concrete expression of Israel's independence from the rest of the world as well as demonstrating the ingenuity and perseverance of the Israeli state. I think that an article about a piece of technology that managed to demonstrate Israel's capabilities to the Western world is kind of important, so I ask that anyone tasked with rating importance consider reviewing and reconsidering its importance to Israel's image abroad. // 3R1C 16:45, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I've been writing some articles related to terrorism and Israel. I would appreciate any help you guys can offer. The articles (so far) are:
In the near future, look for:
The common thread is that they are all linked from Yahya Ayyash, an article I'm looking to get up to FA status (I've been doing some big expansion here recently). Raul654 03:54, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
DING! -> Egged bus 36 bombing Raul654 03:53, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Strike off another one - Ramat Gan bus 20 bombing.This one's pretty small but the book I'm using didn't have much on it. Raul654 21:46, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
DING! The 2 million article was calling, so I created the last one - Jerusalem bus 26 bombing. Raul654 08:42, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
Could someone plese fix the first map on the Hizbollah page. It calls the Golan Heights part of Syria, which is disputed and untrue. Could someone fix it to take that line out? -- יהושועEric 21:07, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
See Talk:Allegations_of_Israeli_apartheid#A_quick_straw_poll for a present initiative to rename the page.-- Urthogie 13:58, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi WikiProject Israelers, I noticed that some users are inactive, such as the second user on the list who claims to be retired on his user page. Is there support to remove such users? -- יהושועEric 01:04, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
There's a discussion over the naming of " Israeli lira" or " Israeli pound". See Talk:Israeli lira#Requested move. - Will Beback · † · 05:41, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
...one giant leap for Jewish domination of media. Anyone know if there is a WikiProject USSR dedicated to fair treatment of information pertaining to the USSR or Stalin?
-G — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.231.137.228 ( talk • contribs) 18:20, 1 May 2007
Shalom guys, How about some updates for the Winograd Commission? ابو علي (Abu Ali) 13:04, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
I like the old layout better. It had everything you needed on one organized page, which was not overly long. nadav 16:45, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
What about all of the other info, such as To Do, Assessment Statistics, etc. You should probably have taken a vote before doing this. And you removed a lot of hard work. -- יהושועEric 19:22, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
Please support Ben Gurion International Airport's Featured Article Candidacy Here! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Eric1985 ( talk • contribs) 19:41, 3 May 2007 (UTC).
Shalom YaIsraelis. I have been watching the Israeli students strike over the last few weeks. When Israelis start getting the same brutal treatment from the Magav usually reserved for Arabs, then something important is happening in Israeli society. There is a fair amount of material in the Israeli media: eg. [13] [14] [15] (unfortunately I can not read well enough to make sense of the hebrew). Amazingly there is absolutely nothing about this on Wikipedia. Is there anyone who reads hebrew (or even participates in the demonstrations) who is prepared to write something here? ابو علي (Abu Ali) 21:19, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
I have already seen several anti-Israel and seemingly anti-Semetic edits come about from the new WP Palestine group. Keep your eyes open. -- יהושועEric 04:05, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for that Nadav. I was going to ask for the same thing myself. I am a member of all three projects because the subject matter they deal with often overlaps (one day it might be nice to change the name of Arab-Israeli conflict WikiProject to the Palestinian-Israeli common ground forum and coordinate activities there between the two, where there is overlap). Are there any examples that Eric can provide for these quite serious allegations? (I take charges of anti-Semitism very seriously being a die-hard anti-racist myself.) Tiamut 08:07, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Anti-Anti-semitism is a magic wand, and it is used against the Christians. We should not refer to anti-semitism, but as an insult as a whole. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.119.92.39 ( talk • contribs)
Mordechai Vanunu has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. LuciferMorgan 18:51, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Hello, all. Two problems someone can help with:
-- Tugbug 17:53, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
On the top of my head this comes to mind. Rishon LeZion was established in 1881. Petach Tikvah was already established in 1879. So Rishon LeZion is probably what they have in mind. Anyway a lot of pioneering activity took place in those years. Itzse 19:00, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
The Jews began to return to Israel in 1881 in great numbers. Until then there was quite a sizable amount of Jews who lived in the holyland; but due to many factors including the pogroms in Zarist Russia that started in 1881; a great wave of Russian Jews emigrated to the United States and to Israel, they were mostly the Chalutzim. Itzse 21:42, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
If any editors who are good with their history and have a lot of time on their hands for editing could please take a look at the lopsided POV in the high-importance Six-Day War article. Their's been a lot of discussion on the talk page there but little action. In honor of the war's 40th anniversary this week (on the Jewish calender), I am adding the task of NPOV balancing to the project to-do list. — Rafi Neal | T/ C 03:28, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
I just created this navigation box, since someone requested Template:IsraeliNobelPrizeWinners on the to-do list. If anyone wants to comment on this template, it's very basic and I haven't put it anywhere yet. And if we do use it, Israel will be the first counrty to have a navbox for its laureates. — Rafi Neal | T/ C 16:15, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Also, before I add the template to the articles, now is a good time to discuss inconsistency with "Prize Winner"/"Laureate". — Rafi Neal | T/ C 17:44, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
In the meantime I have redirected the template to Template:Israeli Nobel Laureates and categorized the template under Category:Awards navigational boxes. I'm also considering reordering the laureates by date, not name. Agnon wouldn't be offended, he's still first :) — Rafi Neal | T/ C 19:56, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Just got news back - we seem to have loads of articles around a high - b class so i think its a priority to get these promoted. Flymeoutofhere 08:32, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
I have just embarked on a major rewrite of the category Music of Israel. This article is rated as Start, and rightly so - it's pretty superficial.
It will take me a few weeks to finish it and post it to the pedia. If anyone else is working on this, I would like to know. If anyone wants to see what I have done so far, you can read it on my page, User:Ravpapa/My Drafts -- Ravpapa 16:58, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
I am proposing a mass-move of many Israel Defense Forces-related articles and therefore felt that the discussion should be posted here (and in other major pages) instead of the individual article pages. Basically IDF section articles are all titled Israel ___________ (e.g. Israeli Military Police, Israeli Armored Corps). I think this is contrary to Wiipedia's naming conventions and isn't factually accurate because the official names for these things do not have an 'Israeli' prefix. Also they shouldn't be capitalized. An existing article name which I almost support is Aman (IDF) (still, should be renamed to Intelligence directorate (IDF) IMO). I think all relevant articles should be named in such a way: Armored corps (IDF), Military police (IDF), Artillery corps (IDF), Infantry corps (IDF) etc. Please state your opinions. -- Ynhockey ( Talk) 20:12, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
Whilst trawling around the politics categories, I came across Security minister of Israel. I have requested that it be moved to Defense Minister of Israel. Please add your comments here. Also, if it is moved I may merge the List of Defense Ministers of Israel article into it, as it is not too long at present (and can be done with split columns). Thanks, Number 5 7 21:54, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
The El Al article is a FA candidate and in order to fulful the neccessary tasks to bring it up to this standard there are a number of tasks outlined on the talk page which need the attention of a hebrew speaking editor. Any help would be much appreciated. -- Flymeoutofhere 09:48, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
In the article on Tzippori, the statement that it is "the site of one of the oldest Jewish communities to be uncovered by archaeologists, and one of the richest in what has been found there" was first tagged and then removed as an uncited statement some time ago. I have been told something to this effect multiple times, on guided tours to the site. I am not surprised to be unable to find a source for such a statement in the scholarly record, as I get the impression that formal historians and archaeologists rarely make such broad-ranging statements, choosing instead a somewhat less impressive, but perhaps more professional tack, and writing something such as "It is the site of a rich and diverse historical and architectural legacy..."
I am positive that Tzippori is not simply yet another archaeological site in Israel, but has some truly major significance. Is there anyone out there who can help me find a source for its unique importance, please? LordAmeth 15:22, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Please offer views regarding my dispute with Malik Shabazz concerning the quoting of Ilan Pappe as a neutral reliable source on the article Israeli-Palestinian history denial. I feel that his view should be preceded by a slight note on his background (as an extreme anti-Zionist, member of the 'Communisty Party of Israel', who said that he supported Hamas), or it should be deleted altogether. This is like calling Daniel Pipes a reliable, neutral source on Islam. Ridiculus. Your views are appreciated. -- Rabbeinu 21:38, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Even if we consider Pappe to be a reliable source (an one could reasonably argue that he is), the Pappe quote does not support the conclusion that "Nakba denial" is a belief that exists in Israeli society (at least not in the same sense that Holocaust denial exists in Palestinian society). At best, it supports a kind of "Nakba amnesia" or "Nakba ignorance." Even the most die hard hawks would not deny that such an event ever took place in the same way that Hamas denies that the Holocaust exists. My feeling is that unless a reliable source can be found that states that a promiment group of Israelis believe that the Palestinian exodus did not occur in the way that mainstream historians describe it, then I would propose that the entire subsection be deleted on grounds of WP:OR. -- GHcool 05:54, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Such an article really ought to be Israeli-Palestinian history controversy not denial, since both sides dispute the history of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. ← Michael Safyan 03:10, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
i'm somewhat worried by the number of antizionists supposedly supporting the Wikipedia:WikiProject Israel. it's quite obvious that antizionists' main goal is to destroy israel, so i'm curious to the thoughts of the community about such blatent interventions. Jaakobou 12:09, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Jaakobou, I would remind you to be civil and assume good faith. First, anti-Zionists aren't necessarily intent on the destruction of the State of Israel. Second, unless somebody has stated that he or she is an anti-Zionist, or that her or his goal is the demise of the State, the fact is that you don't know what that person's motives are. — Malik Shabazz ( Talk | contribs) 19:30, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
The only benefit of being a member of this project is just that, being a member. I suggest that we come up with a clear guidelines defining an unacceptable behavior for a member of this project, and then publish it at the project's main page. As a first iteration, let me propose that promotion of the destruction of Israel as a Jewish nation-state is incompatible with this project. ← Humus sapiens ну ? 11:36, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
GHcool, Nadav, Jayjg and other participants; you deserve a thanks for your tremendous work. But to do all that GHcool has outlined above requires a constant vigilance. Do we have an endless supply of guys like you, and do you guys have an endless amount of time?
Who is to guarantee that after all the effort, someone in the future armed with truckloads of books and sources with enough time on his hands will claim that his sources are reliable and make us sweat it out to restore balance here, or worse actually carry the day, and all our work will go down the drain.
GHcool seems to have an optimistic view, and he might very well be right, but I don't have much faith in mankind and who knows who will pull the strings here in the future as more articles are created and more articles are developed.
I'm bringing this up because this boggles my mind and sometimes I wonder if I'm not wasting precious time here. As this is the WikiProject Israel page, I think that these and similar concerns need to be aired and discussed here to allay the fears of its participants. Itzse 20:17, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
In the History of EVER.
-- AceMyth 23:46, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
I have just finished a complete rewrite of the Music of Israel. For user msh210: it includes a section on Hassidic rock, which I think is what you mean by Shiny Shoe Music. Everyone is invited to review, correct, add salient info, and in general behave in the wiki spirit.
In particular, those of you who are Israeli rock afficionados might have what to add on that subject. I also think the category needs sections on The Music of Israeli Arabs and Other Minorities, and perhaps on Children's Songs.
I think we need to go for reassessment of this article. I am aiming for FA, and one of those ridiculous corps tags.
Tnx for your cooperation,
-- Ravpapa 16:43, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
I would like to create one or more navigation boxes for Israeli political parties (there are now articles on most parties, thanks for Number 57). However, there's a structural problem: if there's just one navigation box for all parties, past and present, then it will be huge and difficult to read. However, if there is a separate box for each election, it will create unnecessary clutter and a lot of very similar templates. Any suggestions? -- Ynhockey ( Talk) 12:13, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
I've copied a message and my response from my Talk to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Israel to get greater input Tewfik Talk 17:31, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
I've readded all the settlements in the subcats back to the top one too - I think it's important to have them all listed in one place too.
Also, I have been removing them from the ... in Israel categories as they are not in Israel. Number 5 7 10:37, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
I suggest the following solution:
Thoughts? Number 5 7 21:28, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
So, back to the question, do people agree or disagree with the proposal mentioned above? Number 5 7 13:32, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
[outdent] At least you concede that your view is also only a POV, not the objective truth. Please consider that when you discuss these issues and certainly when you edit.-- DLand TALK 13:01, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
I mostly support the proposal. Just one point bothers me, about the religious settlements - there's no such thing as a religious settlement and the only religious municipality in Israel is El'ad, which is not a settlement. Sure, some settlements are religious in nature, like Immanuel, but they are no:t officially religious, therefore calling them religious would not be fit for an encyclopedia. -- Ynhockey ( Talk) 17:34, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Tewfik has now taken it upon himself to remove all the articles from Category:Religious Israeli settlements and put them into various Religious XXX in Israel categories, despite the fact that they have also been removed from Category:Israeli settlements. Do we have to start this discussion from the start again? Number 5 7 09:52, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
I have just come across this article ( Al-Karamah Battle), and find its contents quite hard to believe. Even if the core facts are true, they are surely represented in a highly biased fashion. I am no expert on such matters, but I hope that someone here who is can take the necessary steps to rectify this situation and rewrite this article to better reflect the truth. Todah rabah. LordAmeth 22:54, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
I created an article for Kibbutz Gal On. Since it is in the scope of your Wikiproject, I added your template to it. Hope you like it, and hopefully I will be able to create articles for more kibbutzim in the future. Notecardforfree 08:05, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
User:Suicup is trying to push some of his/her own POV on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict page by claiming that "Israeli settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem are a key obstacle to a peaceful resolution of the conflict" (emphasis added). All fair-minded Wikipedia editors with a working knowledge of WP:NPOV have agreed that a more neutral word (such as "a factor" rather than "a key obstacle") would be more appropriate. Suicup claims to be unbiased in this matter, and yet in the debate, he/she accused those that challenged him to be "a clique of pro-Israeli contributors," implying that (1) Suicup is anti-Israel and therefore the lone voice of reason and (2) that there is a Jewish conspiracy on Wikipedia. Any help in this matter would be appreciated. Thanks. -- GHcool 06:08, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
-- Ravpapa 14:03, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
I think that Itzse's comment epitomizes the problem with this article. The article throughout - not just the section on settlements - tries to describe what the dispute is about, instead of saying what people say the dispute is about. "Israel says" is a fundamentally wrong thing to say: countries can't talk, only people can talk. Israeli government positions (of today - they change, you know) should be presented as direct quotes from position papers or from government spokesmen. Opposing views should also be direct quotes.
I wonder, for example, what the official Israeli position is on the question of settlements as an obstacle to peace. Off the top of my head, I cannot recall an Israeli spokesman saying "Israeli settlements are not an obstacle to peace," in so many words. Foreign ministers are wily, cagey, and mendastic, and they don't like to make clear statements of policy. Unofficially, both views have been stated clearly and emphatically by people of importance, and they should be directly quoted.
As long as we try to describe what the conflict is about, rather than what people say about the conflict, we will be caught in the kind of endless polemic that our friend Itzse presents. -- Ravpapa 04:33, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
While it's quite understandable why "Number 57" thinks that Ariel and Ma'ale Adumim is a key obstacle to peace, and maybe if I were living in Israel and in your shoes, I would want to believe so too. It is no more then another opinion. Therefore to use the word "factor" is more then enough as many people are of the opinion that it isn't even a factor; the problem lies elsewhere. Itzse 17:24, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi.. does anyone know what is the correct way to alphabetise Israeli last names.. Do David ben Gurion and Simon bar Kochba go under 'B' or under 'G' and 'K' respectively? What about arabic names e.g. 'Osama bin Laden'? Zargulon 19:54, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Stand up and be counted. Following is the reasoning that I gave for the article name change, and waited for any objections. When none were forthcoming I made the name change.
But as you can expect those wishing to have the old name because it pushes their POV, reverted my change. Let's do it the right way, and for that I need your help. Itzse 18:12, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Here is the explanation given in that talk page:
---Let's rename the article before we discuss the introduction---
Tiamat has suggested that we discuss the intro which has been a bone of contention.
Before we discuss what the content of the intro should be, we need to first go to the root of the problem; then I think everything will fall into place.
The problem is that the name of the article in and of itself is patently wrong, misleading and POV; which forces us to craft the intro to correct what it wrongly insinuates; otherwise the reader of the article will walk away thinking that a "Palestinian people" is a fact and there are no other opinions on the matter.
Let me explain if it still needs explaining. There is an article called Palestine which refers to the region called Palestine. Rightly or wrongly, it’s a fact. Then we have an article Palestinian Jews which talks about the Jews living in Palestine. Now for the Arabs living in Palestine we should have an article called Palestinian Arabs; instead, lo and behold "Palestinian Arabs" gets redirected to " Palestinian people"; which means that Wikipedia becomes an accomplice to pushing a one-sided POV and de-facto creating a "Palestinian people" which never existed. This is totally unfair to say the least.
Yes, there were Arabs living in Palestine just as there were Jews living there who were identified together as “Palestinians”, or as "Palestinian Arabs" and "Palestinian Jews" when identified individually. But after the establishment of the State of Israel, those Arabs who didn't want to be called "Israeli Arabs" were left without an identity, so by default they were called "Palestinians”. But that's a far cry from calling them "Palestinian People" which is a brand new creation for a political agenda.
At its best even if you don't agree with me; "Palestinian People" as it stands is POV, and it should be renamed to "Palestinian Arabs" which will automatically link directly numerous redirects. Itzse 21:42, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
In a nutshell: "Palestinian People" is POV, "Palestinian" was tried and found to be ambiguous and confusing. Therefore its time to try the correct term which is "Palestinian Arab".
As there are no objections, “Palestinian People” is being renamed to “Palestinian Arab” as per WP:Article naming policy, specifically WP:Precise. I hope that this will clear up any confusion.
As I don’t have much technical experience; if I botch up, please fix whatever needs to be fixed. Thanks everybody. Itzse 16:09, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Its been about a month now and there hasn't been much progress. It appears that a majority of editors feel that "Palestinians" is the better article title, but whenever we have come close to a consensus on this, someone scuttles the debate by asserting that Palestinians are a people by using the logic that "group of people" and "people" mean the same thing. I'm having trouble finding the will to continue the debate dispite how many times I've previously won it. I'm asking for some help and if I do not get it, I fear I will have to quit. If this happens, this will be the first Wikipedia debate I ever lost or come to no consensus on. -- GHcool 20:18, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
There is currently a disagreement here over whether the first sentence of Nuclear weapons and Israel should be "Israel was the sixth country in the world to develop nuclear weapons..." I would appreciate any input. -- Joshdboz 11:58, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Please comment on User:Number 57's moving of Yom Ha'atzmaut and Yom Yerushalayim to their respective English translations. The user has done so without consensus and subsequently undid my reverts - and I'm not prepared to get into a move war. Thank you, DLand TALK 15:42, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
I certainly hope Number 57 doesn't move Yom HaShoah to "Holocaust Day!" I suppose he/she would move Cinco de Mayo to "Fifth of May" as well? -- GHcool 19:05, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Ok, then - preliminary consensus established. Let's move them back.-- DLand TALK 19:16, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
I once heard a story that either a Danish fishing boat or a monument resembling such a boat is located near the Yad Vashem. If anybody has a picture of it, it would be a great addition to the rescue of the Danish Jews article. Valentinian T / C 14:57, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
There are two editors currently trying to keep the status quo of violating WP:Undue weight in the Causes of the 1948 Palestinian exodus article. I first tried asking them to cut their criticisms of the endorsemnt to flight theory down and when they refused, I told them I would add whatever I could find to make the claims section as long as the criticisms section. Now they're trying to censor the new stuff I added, mostly with flimsy excuses such as that The Continuum Political Encyclopedia of the Middle East doesn't exist. I'd appreciate some help. The most relevent section of the talk page is here. -- GHcool 17:21, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Please see discussion at
I spotted a doublet: Mitzpe Ramon Airfield (formerly referenced as an 'airfield' without mention of the fact that it is an airbase, not an airport) and Ramon Airbase. One should be deleted and the other cleaned up (please, see Ramon Airbase talk page), but I sure won't take the risk to be called a vandal and, then, won't do anything. Sorry for that, but I'm fed up with quick accusations and snipers… — Іван Коренюк ψ Ivan Korenyuk 14:44, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Please see Category:Palestinian territories and:
I have put forth a peer review for the Israel article at Wikipedia:Peer review/Israel/archive1. Comments are welcome there (and on Talk:Israel, if you prefer). -- tariqabjotu 19:58, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
At this moment, a significant case is occurring at the page for arbitration proceedings, at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Allegations of apartheid/Workshop, a subpage of Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Allegations_of_apartheid.
A group of editors has been developing an article entitled "Allegations of Israeli apartheid." In response, a group of editors attempted to build a set of articles detailing allegations of "apartheid" in other countries.
In response some editors of the Israel-apartheid article allege that editors who worked on articles about other countries have violated WP:POINT. However editors of articles on other countries say that they were trying to foster some objectivity.
Currently, the ArbCom case has shown somewhat of a pattern of conflicting allegations about various users' conduct, related to both sides in the discpute. This was inevitable, since ArbCom's primary focus is user conduct, not content disputes.
Your help might be useful. Please go to this proceeding and insert your comments on what you feel are the best ways to achieve fairness and balance, in accordance with Wikipedia principles.
If you wish, you may also weigh in at WP:VPP, on the question of whether ArbCom or some other body should address content disputes, in order to somewhat reduce the cycle of accuations and allegations.
Thank you. -- Steve, Sm8900 03:01, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
There is a discussion on whether to rename this category Category:Religious Kibbutz Movement as the main article has been moved to Religious Kibbutz Movement. Number 5 7 08:11, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Someone created an AfD for the List of attacks committed during the Second Intifada article. Please vote your conscience here. -- GHcool 06:23, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
The article Shlomi Bar'el has been nominated for deletion. Sources have been provided in the AfD discussion but are still not actually used in the article. Input, particularly from editors who are familiar with the Hebrew alphabet, would be most appreciated. – Black Falcon ( Talk) 17:28, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
We have a Qxz ad! It's here. Sah msi dea Tel Aviv 22:17, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Beit She'an is currently a good article, but may lose that status if deficiencies are not corrected. We need help from somebody knowledgeable about this city and its history, or somebody who has access to reliable sources of information about the city. Online sources are not particularly comprehensive, so a trip to the library may be required. - Jehochman Talk 04:31, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
What do people think about using Template:MKs rather than Template:Infobox Prime Minister for Prime Minister of Israel (see David Ben-Gurion vs Haim-Moshe Shapira)? Personally I would prefer it, as it can show multiple previous parties (more common to Israel :) ), multiple previous cabinet posts (both of which Infobox politician can do, but making it horrendously big) and year of Aliyah. It is also used for PMs over on the he.wikipedia in place of the more general PM infobox. Thoughts? Number 5 7 14:57, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
A handful of editors are trying to put the references to the work of Norman Finkelstein in the Causes of the 1948 Palestinian exodus. Comments are welcome here. -- GHcool 19:35, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
As part of the Notability wikiproject, I am trying to sort out whether M. Seligman & Co. is notable enough for an own article. I would appreciate an expert opinion. For details, see the article's talk page. If you can spare some time, please add your comments there. Thanks! -- B. Wolterding 18:30, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
I recently changed the wikiproject page's interface to an older one that was existent for back this year. I think its simpler, cleaner and better for the PR of this project. Everything about the project is linked to from within it so no data is being mispresented. Please discuss... in the meantime i will revert. - ephix —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 22:09, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Not many supporters for the new interface. I will revert to the old one. - Derwig 17:59, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
According to many authors, including Israeli once, the Israel youth groups aren't informed about Jewish history in Poland, they visit only Holocaust places, don't meet young Poles. The article doesn't mention any problem, so it's biased. Xx236 07:35, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
The problem was specified in July: Talk:March of the Living, no comments yet. I (or we) prefer to discuss the problem before editing the article. Xx236 09:44, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
As a monolinguist, I am finding myself inadequate to properly expand the article on journalist Israel Segal. :) It needs details on his date of birth as well as more information about his career. There are relatively few articles in English about this man, who seems by the accounts I've found to be notable. I'd appreciate any assistance that anyone can offer. :) -- Moonriddengirl 01:36, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Please see this [19] Zeq 21:23, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
http://mathaba.net/news/?x=567234 I'm not sure how and where this problem started to arrise, but please make sure that such a problem does not exist. -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 20:50, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
There are some points to the webarticle. I would advise to retool this information. Instead of making this about "Chávez is anti-semitic" (as one could read the article now), you should make it about how Venezuala/Chávez likes to "taunt" other countries. Make Venezuela the subject, and Israel "one of the victims". Give equal weight to all those "victims" and less people will complain. That works much better to prevent reactions like the one above I think. WP:Israel sometimes writes a bit too much from the Israeli viewpoint, that is something that I do agree with. I know it's not really your "responsibility", but Israel is a delicate subject, so some BLP-like carefulness can never hurt. One of the BLP rules: If the subject is only notable trough this one event, then write about the event and include the subject, instead of writing a biography of the subject. So make it about "taunting others, incl israel" instead of "attacking israel". -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 12:18, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Help is needed to sort out the Deputy leaders of Israel article. There's confusion of the following titles Acting Prime Minister, Deputy Prime Minister and Vice Prime Minister and who holds those titles. GoodDay 14:23, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone have any objections to me requesting that MiszaBot II automatically archive this page? If not, I'll request that it archive any discussion more than 20 days old. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 08:09, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
I think you should pay attention to this article, for mi it's just a hoax. -- Kimdime69 23:49, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
As the article is mostly just the movie's description [20], and lacks any independent reliable sources (the 2 references are actually 2 releases of the same movie, and the single inline citation links to a blog), the article can probably be deleted as mere spam. Rami R 09:18, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
As many of you may have noticed, User:MJCdetroit converted many Israeli municipality infoboxes into global city infoboxes. There are several problems with this:
What are your opinions? I personally suggest to revert all the changes and keep using the Israeli template (Infobox Israel muni).
-- Ynhockey ( Talk) 20:57, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
So, what is going to be done? More municipalities are being changed to the new infobox, while many others are left with the old, creating an annoying inconsistency. I have been unable to transfer the dynamic map to the local Israeli template, and therefore this is now the immediate benefit of the global template. Also it no longer uses 'settlement', which means that 2 of the major disadvantages have been removed - leaving only the fact that it's difficult to add alternative transliterations and names. So, do we keep converting to the new template, or revert all the changes and use the old one? I propose a combination, but for that someone would need to be able to move the dynamic map to the Israeli template. If no one is able to do this, we will probably have to move to the global template. Please comment. -- Ynhockey ( Talk) 21:05, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that many of the military entries' new and improved titles used (IDF) as a disambiguation term. I'm not sure that this is a good idea, as both the Iceland Defense Forces and Irish Defence Forces use that acronym. While " Paratroopers Brigade (IDF)" may not be confused, it seems the likelihood exists, and so perhaps you should use something like (Israel) instead? Let me know, Tewfik Talk 01:37, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
Since those working on the Towns Info box did such a good job of enhancing the new info box, I would ask that they do the same to the Info Box for kibbutzim. It would greatly enhance the infobox to have items such as the pushpin map and longtitud/latitude of the kibbutz displayed.
As moshavim are similar to kibbutzim in many ways (and with the moves by Kibbutz Degania and Ayalelet Hashahar to privatize - convert to moshavim), though, as far as I know, they lack an affliliation to an organization as is part of the kibbutz profile, I would also suggest using the kibbutz infobox for moshavim as well. Talk 17:47, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi, the article about
Latrun refers to 2 battles : operation Bin Nun and Bin Nun Bet.
Anita Shapira talks about 6 assaults during the 1948 War.
I identified 5 :
What would be the 6th one ?
Thank you,
Alithien
11:58, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Do you think this article is ready for GA nomination? -- Ravpapa 09:27, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
At the top it says:
“ | Note that none of these articles mention if the Kibbutzim are also illegal settlements under international law established in occupied territories (Golan Heights or West Bank). | ” |
Can someone explain if this is correct or not? Govvy 14:44, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
kk, cheers, Govvy 10:22, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
While this does not concern Israel or WP:ISRAEL as a whole, I'd like to point out an article, Tel Arad, which does not have any references even though it's probably very easy to find them considering it's an article about the history of a fairly well-known site. Can anyone find some references please? After that we can start trying to turn this into a good article. -- Ynhockey ( Talk) 22:38, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Isn't this image a bit too "suggestive" to be used as the image for the project? Why not the Israeli flag, like on every other national project? It pretty much gives the impression that Wikipedia is controlled by Jews! Funkynusayri ( talk) 02:32, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
[[:Image:Protocols of the Elders of Zion 2005 Syria al-Awael.jpg|thumb|This 2005 Syrian edition includes an "historical and contemporary investigative study" that repeats the blood libel among other antisemitic accusations, and argues that the Torah and Talmud encourage Jews "to commit treason and to conspire, dominate, be arrogant and exploit other countries". ITC CSS]] I don't mean that it would look like that, as if it was true, but it would look like anti-Jewish propaganda which aimed to prove it, like those old Protocols of Zion book covers of a Jew holding the world and similar. Maybe I'm too suspicious, but I'd imagine the same if I it was a crescent moon with a Wikipedia logo in it, I'd think the creators were trying to show that Wikipedia was run by Muslims. Funkynusayri ( talk) 03:53, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
I have recently expanded the Shaghur article by adding statistics provided by the ICBS via Ynhockey and merging the Majd al-Krum, Bi'ina and Deir al-Asad articles into Shaghur as done in the Hebrew wikipedia. The article is currently rated a Start article but I think now since the city's demographics, economy, education, politics, sports and history sectors have been created and the article hits all major points it deserves B-class status. -- Al Ameer son ( talk) 01:01, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
It's fine
Hi all,
Wikinews reporter User:David Shankbone is going on a trip to Israel and will be gathering materials for Wikipedia, Commons and Wikinews: see announcement here on wikinews.
This would "including guided tours of the tunnels under the Western Wall, the Temple Mount, and Tel Aviv (for photos all), in addition to the pre-arranged schedule" and interviews.
I'd like to ask anyone here to go to the discussion page on Wikinews and give suggestions or requests, as well as to come to Wikinews to edit the articles resulting from this excursion.
-- Steven Fruitsmaak ( Reply) 16:32, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
These articles are written in a very one sided and anti-Israeli point of view. It really needss attention. Best Regards -- Kaaveh ( talk) 00:55, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Please see Golan Heights, an ip editor appears to be POV pushing. Pocopocopocopoco ( talk) 18:23, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I've found a historic photo that might be feature-worthy but the caption from the century-old stereoscope looks politically loaded by today's standards (Mideast issues). So I'm seeking feedback on how to craft NPOV language and move forward with a nomination. The discussion is located here. Input would be much appreciated.
I contacted a couple of users individually, but I guess the best thing to do here is to contact both the Israel and the Palestine WikiProjects. It's a fine historic image of two Arab women grinding coffee, basially apolitical, but the original description doesn't look NPOV by today's standards. I'd just like to move toward WP:FPC without accidentally stepping on anybody's toes. Best regards, Durova Charge! 23:28, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
I seem to recall from a course at uni that Ashdod, Ashkelon and Be'er Sheva were all originally classed as development towns - can anyone confirm this before I add them to the article? Cheers, пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 12:30, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
For the Israel stamp collectors and lovers, there is no article yet for Postage stamps and postal history of Israel (part of Category:Postal history by country) that would have so many Jewish themes. Feel free to go ahead and start it. (See the other country's in Category:Postage stamps by country that have theirs.) Nothing for Israel on Category:Postage stamps by country neither on List of country articles containing postal sections nor on List of philatelic bureaus. (but just a teeny note on Israel at Compendium of postage stamp issuers (Io - Iz).) This is truly a great shame and pity because Israel, and before that when it was the British Mandate produced and continues to issue the most beautiful and extensive stamps by any country. Thank you, IZAK ( talk) 11:09, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi. I think the COTW feature is currently way underused and was wondering if there is any way to send a message to members of the Wikiproject each week with the new article in it? At the moment it isnt being updated, I think in part, because the articles arent really acted on when they are COTW. -- Flymeoutofhere ( talk) 17:01, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
An Israeli company Emblaze LD listed on the UK stock exchange LSE: BLZ has taken over a Korean company with notability issues called Innostream. If anyone on this project would like to effect a merge write on the new parent company, their input would be very welcome. -- Gavin Collins ( talk) 11:59, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Should really this portal deal with items, people or sites in occupied areas? Ofeig ( talk) 12:08, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
i am an ex-mossad man. i was in mossad from 1983 till 1987 and i am wanting to become a member of this great project. is that perhaps possible? can i join the wikiproject israel? how do you become a member. how do you join? Shojaijekhi ( talk) 20:14, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
That is just great. Tanks. Tanks a lot. Shojaijekhi ( talk) 21:14, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
As above visitor noted, The way to join is not obvious at all. Main page should have a JOIN link. Mewnews ( talk) 10:30, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi, does anyone here have a reference on the general Israel opinion on Khalil al-Wazir? I assume most Israelis view him as a terrorist but think a source would be approprate. More importantly, does anyone have a much-needed source on al-Wazir's role in the Coastal Road massacre and whether or not he was granted any special status by the Israeli government i.e No. 1, 2 3 terrorist? Any help in finding these sources would be much appreciated. Cheers! -- Al Ameer son ( talk) 04:36, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
I am new to editing and seek guidance but it strikes me that MANY of the "palestine"-related articles here are full of lies, propaganda, and designs made to encourage people to hate Israel and Jews. Is there not a way to counter this? Thanks, No Oven For Me —Preceding unsigned comment added by No Oven For Me ( talk • contribs) 23:04, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Greetings. For a brief shining moment, you'll see the new Postage stamps and postal history of Israel as a Did you know... on the Main Page, with a picture. Feel free to contribute to the article. L'hitraot, HG | Talk 11:37, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
I have just spread the content of the project page and saw that there were already some subpages which are orphaned, - does anyone know what the deal is here?-- Flymeoutofhere ( talk) 16:07, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
While it's definitely not a reliable source for disputed material, palestinremembered dot com has been used dozens of times as a source for seemingly neutral 'factual' material, like the dates of Israeli operations against Arab villages. However, a recent find by the Kiryat Yam municipality showed that palestineremembered is wrong even in its basic information. A quick check on this page (click 'View in Google Earth') is proving Kiryat Yam right, that the source didn't come from Google but from palestineremembered (K. Yam is actually suing Google for not replying to requests to remove the false information). I think in light of this information, a major re-examination of this source needs to take place, and each and every Wikipedia page with it as a source should be verified against another source, and if this is not possible, then all info taking data from PR.com should be removed ASAP. Thoughts? -- Ynhockey ( Talk) 22:18, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
I would like to ask: why does user Tiamut want articles on fake villages to remain? —Preceding unsigned comment added by No Oven For Me ( talk • contribs) 15:06, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Palestine Remembered is not always wrong, but it is better not to rely on him exclusively. It is one guy doing the whole thing and it is definitely not neutral POV. Palestine remembered.com had things like this: 1- Picture of Zeev Jabotinsky in a uniform of the WW I Zion Mule corps or Jewish Legion labelled "Jabotinsky in his Fascist Uniform" 2- Picture of a building that he claimed is the house of a Sheikh that was taken over by the Weizmann Institute in 1948. I live next door to the Weizmann Institute and I worked in it. Nobody ever saw such a house and Weizmann Institute never took any land in 1948. All the land in Rehovot was bought long before then. I don't know if they are still there. There are other examples. Many of the massacre claims are disputed as well.
The detailed Palestine population estimate figures were given in the HM Mandate Blue Books (VilStat) issued every year. The UN has posted detailed population figures from 1945 vilstat. I think that Palestine remembered figures ultimately come from that source - via books that were out before the UN posted the figures: http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/3822b5e39951876a85256b6e0058a478/5fbced3943293bbd0525656900654aa6!OpenDocument and also at http://www.mideastweb.org/palestine_population_un_2.htm These go down to villages that had 20 people or even -- which means no data I guess. Everything should be there.
There were important discrepancies between the numbers presented by the anglo-American survey and the last vilstat, not systematic ones that could be explained by population increase or any systematic error. Regarding location of villages there is a problem illustrated by the Kiryat Yam issue. I suggest that you use the British Survey map that is at palestineremembered somewhere in a huge file. It is also at Mideastweb in 3 parts - http://www.mideastweb.org/northernisraelmap1949.htm and you can get to the others from there - if the village is not on that map and you can't find it in any reliable source that fact should be noted in any article about it and maybe it is best not to write about those - there are plenty that are documented. Many villages were really tiny or had been abandoned. Admittedly that map probably didn't mark every village. However I am not sure that such villages are part of the Israel project and not part of the Palestine project. Does it matter? Mewnews ( talk) 01:10, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
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Hello Everyone, I found a need (and support) for an Israel WikiProject. There are many pages relating to Israel on WikiPedia, and I think it is important that they are all kept to a high standard. I cannot do this alone, so please join in.
I am apparently not good at the template images thing. Could someone please link the image to an actual image of the flag of Israel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eric1985 ( talk • contribs)
I'm in. Ask me for anything about the Chareidi world. Bnei Brak, Jerusalem etc. -- Daniel575 | (talk) 13:35, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
I suggest we use this page for project-related discussions. For general ones, there is WP:WNBI that many users already have in their watchlist. ← Humus sapiens ну? 00:34, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
"Objects to the idea of creating a virtual Israeli state on Wikipedia that annexes pages - including those for Palestinian towns it ethnically cleansed - to itself, but if such a project is to exist, will monitor its development with the aim of ensuring as much balance as is possible in such a blatantly biased endeavour" (Tiamut)
What is this supposed to mean? Please clarify exactly what contribution you are going to make to Israel-related articles. If your main purpose is complaining about fictional POV issues, I do not understand why you register as a member of this project. -- Daniel575 | (talk) 12:47, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
On a side note, User:Heckhgs may also need to be deleted. His own user page states that he isn't really into editing articles and only placed his name on this project page because he 'hates Israel'.
And, Gmar Hatima Tova, of course. Have an easy fast. --
Ynhockey (
Talk)
13:31, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Excuse me, but I thought this Wiki group was open to anyone who had an interest in editing articles related to Israel in a quality, non-biased fashion. It seems as though you are contradicting yourselves when you purge the only two joiners to your project who obviously don't idolize the Israeli state. Perhaps we might provide some important balance, no? For your information, I'm a citizen of that state and believe that I have a right to participate in both its real and virtual democratic realms. You can't just edit the rules for joining right after I join up just so as to specifically exclude me. Or is your objective not as described? Please respond. Thank you! Tiamut 15:56, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Also, I've reviewed some of the other project members' histories. User:Gronkmeister only joined Wikipedia in mid-September. If I open a new account and write everyday from the first day forward, can I join too? User:Ilikefood took a three month hiatus from Wikipedia between June and September of this year, about the same amount of time I was out of editing. Additionally, I have edited a number of Israel-related pages. In fact, how I came to know of this project was when I went to page for Tzippori which I have worked on and found it associated with this group, which is why I felt compelled to join. I also edited pages on Nazareth and Arab citizens of Israel. And, I don't edit once every few months. I edit a lot when I do log on and take breaks between logging on. I think your newly formulated "rules" need some reviewing. They are not being applied fairly across the board and without a minimum time being an editor at Wikipedia being stipulated, they don't make much sense. Accordingly, I have re-added my name to your project list. If you want to remove me again, I would appreciate a full and detailed explanation as to why. But I would prefer that we put this matter behind us and get to work. Tiamut 16:39, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
07:46, 29 October 2006 (UTC) Of course they are free to join! -- Daniel575 | (talk) 11:22, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
You were too kind Elizmr. I just noticed that PalestineRemembered has vandaliszed your page [1] in a way worthy of a ban no doubt. It seems PalestineRemembered should recruit to a Hamas/Hizballah project page (if they accept women that is) since it seems she wants Israel to be exterminated. Not a good canditate for the project I would presume. Amoruso 18:33, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
You can post on user pages as much as you want, but please don't claim WP:BITE when you comment like this. [2] I really do think, respectfully, that from your comments you might be interested in opening up a wikiproject: Wiping off Zionism or Infidel Burning and discuss anti Israeli issues there. This page is not for you. And yes, it's perfectly ok to "bite at" rude people who have the audacity to wish for your and your nation's horrid death and then wish to participate in that country's "wikiproject". Amoruso 21:47, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Whoa, whoa, whoa ... c'mon guys, what's with all the hostility here. I read PalestineRemembered comments, and while they may be difficult for some to hear, they do not warrant such miscahracterization, speculation, or vitriol. She does not "wish" that Israel would "die a horrid death," she merely expresses her opinion that that's where its heading if doesn't change the way it interacts with its neighbours. You can disagree with that opinion, you can say she's wrong, but to call the comments "vandalism", make libellous accusations of her being a member of the groups she discusses, or other such nonsense totally violates WP:AGF, WP:Civility and WP:BITE. She spologized for placing comments in the wrong place and she hasn't come close to responding with the same level of hostility towards individual statements here. Having experienced similar levels of hostility for totally benign statements that go against the majority opinion here (see my run-in, thankfully solved quickly with good faith on both our parts, with Lord Ameth below), perhaps it's time to reconsider the general attitude among members of the project towards those whose viewpoints differ from our own. Tiamut 23:46, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you think would be an appropriate way to express my disapproval. I left her a note on her talk page which she did not answer and I took exception with your tacit approval of her attacks here. I don't think that's too extreme. OK I used bold, but honestly, calling someone an infidel is nasty and hostile and deeply offensive especially when it is someone who practices one religion saying this about someone who practices another religion. It is just not OK.
I meant what I said about your editing, it is good, but when someone goes around calling another editor an "infidel" and you defend them it is not a good reflection on your integrity. I don't see this in black and white. You might notice that I haven't defended anyone's personal attacks just because I agree with them on broad issues.
Finally, asking someone to be civil to other editors and to follow Wikipedia rules is not psychological harassment. People who behave without civility on Wikipedia get asked to be CIVIL. Respect. Elizmr 23:29, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Tiamut you might want to have a look at WP:NPA and understand the difference between calling other users by name and talking about the conflict in general. I disagree with your assessments on the issue, I think it's based on nothing in reality and a poor accusation also an incivil attempt to change the issue from palestineremembered terrible recent behaviour. While that's her business, she should stay away from here since it's obvious she can't contribute to the project. Amoruso 01:29, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, Humus, turn the other cheek. After all, after all the appalling things the Jews have done, you really can't expect anyone to pull their punches, can you? Tiamut, realistically, there is a point when one can no longer assume good faith. PR has crossed that line. Elizmr 23:35, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
It seems that this list didn't get much attention at WP:WNBI, so I'm copying it here (minus articles already created):
Here's a short list of articles about people which don't exist on EnWiki yet, but do on HeWiki:
-- Ynhockey ( Talk) 22:02, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
I started editing the Law of Return article. Any feedback on changes I made to the first half of the article are welcome. I could also use some help in locating citations for places that are currently missing some. Thanks! Tiamut 15:45, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
While there is already the Barnstar of National Merit, I think we should introduce an award that is more relevant to this project and also to similar projects like Judaism, Jewish history, etc. How about something like the WikiStar of David, for all the aforementioned projects? If it gets approved, I will work on an image (and encourage others to do so). -- Ynhockey ( Talk) 21:50, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
-- יהושועEric 06:09, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I have made another image, see left. I think it is better and have arrogantly replaced the old image :P if you disagree, please say so and we will reach a consensus. As the image description says, blue was used as a background plus the sound emanation image in order to make it look kind of like Dover Zahal, who defends Israel in the media war. -- Ynhockey ( Talk) 12:24, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
I have since corrected the image in order not to use the Wikipedia logo. Please comment. -- Ynhockey ( Talk) 11:39, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
The article on the Rock of the Dome of the Rock, the Rock on which Abraham nearly sacrificed Isaac, is currently listed under Sakhrah, the Arabic term. I personally have never heard of it being called "The Foundation Stone" before, nor am I familiar with the Hebrew word. But if anyone has any suggestions, I would invite you to contribute to a discussion on that article's talk page; we're looking to find a term, preferably in English, which accurately and specifically describes said Rock, and which will be acceptable to editors and readers of both faiths. Thank you. LordAmeth 22:35, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
I can't find a general article about Israeli cuisine. Does one exist? Israeli food is just a redirect to Category:Israeli cuisine. (This question came up because I was trying to figure out what would be considered the typical native alcoholic beverage of Israel.) -- Metropolitan90 05:03, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
I was wondering whether you'd agree we need to change the picture of the template at Yom Kippur War. Israel won the war and that picture may be misleading as it only represents the beginning of the war. I was thinking something could be made like the picture in the template of 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict that shows 3 pictures including bombed areas both in lebanon and haifa making it fair and balanced. Maybe one can add Ariel Sharon's picture with a bandage, famous icon photo of the war or some other photo next to the egyptian soldiers. If people agree, maybe someone with good photo and wiki skills can create that image and use it ? Amoruso 02:55, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Should there be a subcategory "Companies in Israel" or "Companies with facilities in Israel"? This would include Intel, Motorola, IBM, AOL, and a long, long list of other tech companies that have major operations in Israel.
See the concerns over Talk:Israel#Permanent semi-protection. I wonder how we can address the issue that Israel's article will be attacked fervently but it seems that nobody is concerned with articles concerning Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Iran... I would have thought that the same amount of users, non Israelis or Jews or with Israeli past, who are concerned with the article, will also be concerned with other country articles - but it doesn't work that way... those articles are left dignified and under no attacks, no mention of controversies, no WP:POV warring. They are presented as normal country articles where the lead is always very factual and sympahetic. I wonder why and how can wikipedia have a standard format for WP:LEAD in country articles and try to eliminate the prejudice of haters of Israel in the Israel article. The main issue is that Israel is regarded by those users as not a normal country. The user Dainelos who is not an Arab or a hater but proposed many changes also claimed that Israel is a "unique country" etc. I feel that this line of thought is an attack on Israel's sovregnity as state and I just wonder if there can be some perspective or edits by us on other country articles in the region atleast to attempt to balance the heavy and undue bias. Amoruso 07:55, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Dear Ameth, I fail to see how my comments were "anti-productive". This is a discussion page, not an article, and one's opinion on a matter introduced by others is allowed to be expressed. Amoruso and I have been deeply engaged on the talk pages over the Israel article. He brought the matter to the attention of the members of the Wikiproject:Israel, where I am also a member. He expressed his opinion and I offered my opinion. I did not make any "personal" or "cultural" attacks. Nor do my edits to the Israel article show any evidence of being those of a "prejudicial and racist vandal." I am not attacking "other people's countries"; Israel/Palestine is my country. My family's roots here go back more than 800 years, I am citizen of Israel itself, and I live here. I welcome any and all reviews of my correspondence or editing content. Please do call for an outside mediator should you find it necessary. I believe that any impartial observer will find that I am serious editor, interested in accomodating other points of views and able to reach agreement with others when they are serious about NPOV. Thanks for listening. Tiamut 13:55, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
LordAmeth, thanks for apologizing to Tiamut. You must have had a really bad mood when you wrote that whole attack on Tiamut. You were judging too fast, way too harsh and much too reckless. About the 'Nevertheless' part - that is correct. -- Daniel575 | (talk) 15:10, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
1) Can you name a single Middle Eastern country other than Israel that has the same degree of free elections, parliamentary procedures, and isn't controlled by a dictator or non-elected theocratic oligarchy? Answer: Lebanon and Turkey. 2) More to the point, can you name a single country whose citizens enjoy the same degree of personal freedoms that Israelis do? Answer: Lebanon and Turkey. 3) Are Jews treated as fairly and kindly in any Arab country as Arabs are in Israel? Answer: Yes. In Morocco, Jews hold high positions in the current government as ministers and legislators.
I think that we have enough articles that we should work on a rating system for Israel articles. We should strive to have the best quality articles representing Israel, maybe a few featured articles in there too.
I just started a rating system sub-page at: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Israel/Assessment. The template needs to be edited to allow for the relevant changes, and is beyond my Wiki knowledge. Please help edit and complete this page to begin rating articles. We should have a large number of quality articles on Israel, and should work together to achieve more of them. -- יהושועEric 03:01, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
We're going to have to put an eye on it... see [7]. Perhaps we can use the maps that Encarta or National Geographic use. See discussion talk. We can't let the map of Israel be an extreme WP:POV version IMO. Amoruso 06:21, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
I was just looking, and the Israel portal hasn't been updated in about a month. I think we should put up a new picture and selected article.
We might also post something about rating articles as we had discussed earlier.
Just a thought, -- יהושועEric 19:09, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
I was wondering how the total area of Israel was calculated since Israel has no declared borders ?
I spend some time on that crazy stuff at http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Category_talk:Israel . Check the bottom of that page. Need others to help me. After I said the guy is an antisemitic bigot who belongs in a psychiatric hospital (read his quotes before condemning me for saying such things), two other administratos immediately attacked me. Note that the antisemitic bigot in question, PVJ, is himself an administrator also. I already have three administrators against me on Wikinews, because I refuse to be polite against someone who calls for the annihalation of every Israeli and denies that it exists in the first place. Moreover, it is simply shocking that a person with such views is an ADMINISTRATOR there. -- Daniel575 | (talk) 16:53, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 16:16, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
2006 Jerusalem gay pride parade. -- Daniel575 | (talk) 21:45, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm wondering if there is a guideline for Israel-related articles, such as Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Israel-related articles) or something similar. — Viriditas | Talk 00:11, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Hello. I'm not sure if HERE is the right place or WP:WNBI or someplace else, so let me know what you think, for future cases. :)
Recently I checked the article on Karmiel and noticed some info was added to the history section about Karmiel's establishment. This info is from a book by Sabri Jiryis (with a Noam Chomsky foreword), so it seems bias is likely. Can anyone shed more light on this from another perspective?
ehudshapira 23:36, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
I need some help with the above entry. See the discussion on Talk:Operation Autumn Clouds. Thanks. El_C 00:03, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi: See Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 November 23#Category:Anti-Semitic people. Thank you. IZAK 10:47, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Check out the list of massacres commited by Israeli forces. Although many of these events can undoubtably be described as massacres, some of them use the term in a highly debatable way. I suggest either changing the name of the article or (preferably) deleting the more debatable "massacres" from the list (Beit Hanoun and 2006 Qana are the ones I am most disturbed by). -- GHcool 07:23, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
There is an effort to turn WP Project Israel into WP Project anti-Israel by POV warriors like this [8]. Thoughts? ← Humus sapiens ну ? 21:44, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Like most proponents of the " Zionism is racism" UN resolution, Pco has probably never heard or read an NPOV definition of Zionism so she could decide for herself [10] whether or not Zionism is actually racism. According to Random House Webster's College Dictionary, Zionism is simply "a worldwide Jewish movement for the establishment and development of the State of Israel." Like any political ideology, there is a wide variety of interpretation of this ideology ( Christian Zionism, Labor Zionism, etc.), but what they all have in common is exactly what Olmert said: the belief that the Jewish people have a right to a sovereign Jewish state in at least a part of the Land of Israel. It is doubtful that any reasonable, fair-minded person aware of the history of the Jews and of the Middle East would be against the development of a modern nation in the Middle East safe for Jews to live in (assuming that person is not from a nation that is in a state of war with that nation). Furthermore, Zionism is a term that more accurately reflects a pre- Jewish state mentality than for identification with the State of Israel in the 21st century. For a rebuttal to Pco's unreferenced, confused, and misinformed take on Resolution 242, you're welcome to read it here.
Luckily, unlike Pco, most Wikipedians play by the rules of reliable citations, no original research, and (for the most part) NPOV. Pco has also been warned for violating Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. [11] Although as far as I know, Wikipedia does not have a rule against wacko opinions (provided they are not included into articles as original research), its important to note that Pco has a funny way of defining what is and is not racist. Her defense of the International Conference to Review the Global Vision of the Holocaust in Iran in which she wrote, "I think that a holocaust deniers [sic] conference is a good idea" (emphasis added) speaks volumes about where her point of view when it comes to the Jewish state, Jewish history, and perhaps even Judaism in general. [12] For this reason, I urge honest Wikipedians not to take anything that Pco says seriously on any matter pertaining to the Jewish people. Perhaps its time for Pco to resign from WikiProject Israel ... -- GHcool 08:43, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
An Atlas of Israel can now be found at Commons. Electionworld Talk? 16:24, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
I read this article on the Middle East Forum website and was surprised to find that there is very little on Wikipedia about the issue of hate education in the Palestinian territories. Of course, the title would have to be more NPOV than "Hate education in the Palestinian territories," but the phenomenon is an important factor in the Arab-Israeli conflict. There must be dozens, if not hundreds, of sources on the topic. As far as I know, there is no WikiProject Palestinian Authority, so should we build this page? -- GHcool 20:45, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello all. I've just written an article on Norihiro Yasue, one of the Japanese army officers involved in formulating the Fugu Plan, which, while quite misguided in the reasoning behind it, did save many Jewish lives during the war. The article on him on the Japanese Wikipedia indicates that he was involved in founding Israel, which is impossible since he was in a Soviet labor camp from 1945 until his death in 1950. However, he did meet with Chaim Weizmann and David Ben-Gurion in 1926. Does anyone know anything more about this, and what role he may have had? The Japanese Wikipedia article also indicates that he was inscribed in "The Golden Book" as a person who helped make humanity great or something to that effect. A quick cursory search reveals nothing about this Golden Book at all, on the English Wikipedia. Any thoughts? Thanks. LordAmeth 01:37, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello, I made this template {{ World Heritage Sites in Israel}} based on the other World Heritage Sites navigation templates. Could anyone please review and possibly approve before I start adding it to the blue linked articles? Also if anyone would like to help start the two articles that aren't started, that would be great. DVD+ R/W 02:25, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 20:53, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
It looks like WikiProject Arab-Israeli conflict has now been reopened. It seems to cover similar ground that our WikiProject covers. Should we join it? -- GHcool 07:26, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Is there a WikiProject Palestine, for those editors who want to work on Palestine-related articles? Should we begin one?
I note this in the "NPOV" section:
"Other biases"? Erm, hello? You have set up a project whose idea of "NPOV" is to protect pages against other points of view than a pro-Israeli one? Would you find it acceptable were there a statement of intent in another project that said "Do not be biased against Israel. However, protect pages against pro-Israeli bias"? Grace Note 05:27, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
The WikiProject Israel is the same as WikiProject Brazil or any other wikiproject, most countries have one. It has nothing to do with NPOV or POV etc. Amoruso 12:53, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
While the new layout is pretty, I don't think it is very functional. I think having a one page project page would work better and keep WP Israel closer to other Wikiprojects. Before I do anything to revert it, I think it would be best to have a vote. Please vote affirm to vote for changing to one page or against to leave it the way it is. Sign your posts. -- יהושועEric 01:37, 26 February 2007 (UTC) (Deadline to vote Wednesday at midnight Israel time.)
Affirm - More efficient, similar to other projects. -- יהושועEric 01:37, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Affirm - per above. -- GHcool 02:55, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Affirm. LordAmeth 19:35, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
It looks unanimous. I will fix it up tonight. -- יהושועEric 04:30, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I believe this article is not neutral i have left a point on the discussion board but no-one has replied. Squall1991 09:56, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm hoping some of you might take a look at a dispute between myself and NYScholar at the bottom of the Palestine Peace not Apartheid discussion page (Section 19: "Criticism vs. Carter's response") and weigh in. To me it seems that the main article is very much not neutral and skewed toward's Carter's POV, but NYScholar is trying to reject my proposed changes. Any input would be appreciated. Gni 17:07, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I made a big addition under the premise that the situation under the british mandate was basically a "binational solution" without a state. I'm guessing it's likely to be challenged. Please check it out, -- Urthogie 23:12, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
"I am Israeli so i can get a lot of good info and rid wikipedia of the anti-semitism on it ", " I am definitely a defender of Israel", "Yey for Israel","Israel!!!!!" Pretty much sums up the "No-point of View" Wikipedia Israel project. The article itself talks about anti-semitism but makes no reference to pro-Israel propoganda distortions which appear on pretty much every Wikipedia Israel page. The only balanced positions tend to be found in the discussions - but even those are subject to deletions. Reading those its clear who always has their way - there is in fact a very strong pro-Israeli point of view as expressed in the quotes above pervading just about every Israel page. For those of us with some knowledge - often laughably biased. Anyone looking for balance should look elsewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.252.240.24 ( talk) 08:20, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
I am not part of the project but while browsing wikipedia I came upon the Israeli Unit 101. The article was strangely worded so i went to the discussion page and to my surprise found it was under the WikiProject Palestine and not WikiProject Israel. I found that odd since it was talking about an Israeli unit. -- Hadees 03:35, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I'm not part of the project but I was looking in Google Earth and see that there is an option to ad links to wikipedia there, and saw that Israel is very underrepresented in this aspect. does someone know more about this? do other people want to participate? it seems that if you put in coordinates in the wikipedia article, google once in a while adds it to the google earth/map. Moblid 09:45, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
I started a rating system sub-page at: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Israel/Assessment. The template needs to be edited to allow for the relevant changes, and is beyond my Wiki knowledge. Please help edit and complete this page to begin rating articles. We should have a large number of quality articles on Israel, and should work together to achieve more of them. -- יהושועEric 03:05, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
I have edited the template to allow for classification. I would like to add one of those grids to the project page saying how many articles we have in each category. If you know how, please go ahead and add it. I do not know how, but will try to research it if no one works on it. -- יהושועEric 06:48, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
I figured out all of the technical stuff and the system is working. However, there are more than 525 Israel articles on Wikipedia. Please help tag them all! -- יהושועEric 05:29, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I made a big addition under the premise that the situation under the british mandate was basically a "binational solution" without a state. I'm guessing it's likely to be challenged. Please check it out, -- Urthogie 14:24, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Seems to be a revert war brewing on that page. Baka man 03:45, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
In being a frequent editor to the politics section, I am troubled by the amount of links to Arutz Sheva and Israel National News pieces being used as references by a small but persistant group of editors, particularly noticeable in the Israel's unilateral disengagement plan article. My opinion is that they definitely aren't credible sources - they're right wing propaganda tools of the settlers (one article for instance claims 250,000 at a protest march, whilst Ynet puts it at 70,000).
Perhaps we should draw up a list of reliable sources on Israeli affairs. To begin with, I suggest:
However, there is also a problem with JPost and Haaretz articles that they disappear quite quickly - all the ones I checked from the disengagement article were broken. It's also shame that Ma'ariv don't have an English version. Number 57 12:30, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
If anyone finds the time, I believe it would be useful to closely review the Contributions of a bot I just blocked for inserting en mass the wikiproject template in what appears to be less than accurate manner. (more details available here). בברכה, El_C 23:04, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I asked the bot owner to insert the template on every page in category Israel and all of the subcategories. There are too many pages to do it manually, and I think it would be easier to remove the bad ones than add them all ourselves. -- יהושועEric 17:55, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi Everyone, I was looking at the WP Israel Statistics and noticed that we don't have any articles with a quality higher than B-class. That makes me sad. I was thinking that a collaboration (similar to the Orthodox Rabbi of the Week at WP Judaism) is in order. Do people support this? Would you help? Should it be weekly, biweekly, monthly? Speak your opinion here. I will make a template and subpage for it if that is the consensus.
Elie Yossef (6 hits on google), Karma Feinstein-Cohen (18 hits) and Yehuda HaKohen. The latter is ridiculously overdetailed for such a minor personality, suggesting it is either self-written or produced by an associate. They seem to be springing from overpromotion of the Magshimey Herut and the Zionist Freedom Alliance, two organisations I have never heard of despite a pretty detailed knowledge of the Israeli political scene.
As I have not nominated an article for deletion before, I thought I'd seek some opinions whether it's an appropriate course for these. Number 57 14:50, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Some input from members of WikiProject Israel is requested in regards to a peer review for the Jerusalem article:
I have been working on this article for the past three months and I'm hoping to put this up for featured article status sometime in the near future. Essentially, I'm looking for a critique of the article and suggestions for things that might need to be rectified prior to submitting it for a featured article candidacy.
You are, of course, welcome to assist in other areas as well. Thanks in advance for any help you may provide. -- tariqabjotu 16:06, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Any chance of more citations from the Holy Scriptures? WikiNew 16:12, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your hard work. I truly do apologize for introducing POV issues into this, but I think a few minor changes here and there would be good to ensure the objectivity of the article's message. LordAmeth 19:54, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
I would shorten the religious significance section. The sub pages should be sufficient for most of what is there. That would help with the length issue. I might also link to category: neighborhoods of Jerusalem somewhere. -- יהושועEric 03:17, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
It is important to distingush between the Old City and the New or West and East Jerusalem. Fbc215 18:08, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Jerusalem is currently undergoing a featured article candidacy. The FAC page is transcluded below (feel free to remove it from this page if the FAC gets too long):
Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Jerusalem/archive1
Why has Jerusalem not been added to the category of FA status Israel articles? I suspect it's a problem with the template. nadav 04:39, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
I would like to invite you all to participate in a discussion at this thread regarding bilateral relations between two countries. All articles related to foreign relations between countries are now under the scope of WikiProject Foreign relations, a newly created project. We hope that the discussion will result in a more clean and organized way of explaining such relationships. Thank you. Ed ¿Cómo estás? 18:15, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
I am concerned about how all the Category:Israeli people by occupation subcategories are also contained in Category:Jews by occupation. What of the many non-Jews living in Israel. This is an incrorrect and unfair classification. nadav 02:23, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Should a template be created for members of Knesset (like the one in the hebrew Wikipedia)? Chocom 10:01, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
I'll get something started. Stay tuned. Chocom 10:32, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
The Shimon Peres article is currently undergoing a peer review at Wikiproject Biography and is also a good article candidate. I have personally stated that although the article is well written, it suffers from recentism and is not ready for GA status yet.-- Oneworld25 05:22, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
I am by no means an expert on the subject, but I feel that this article is worthy of a medium rating. It is an admirable and concrete expression of Israel's independence from the rest of the world as well as demonstrating the ingenuity and perseverance of the Israeli state. I think that an article about a piece of technology that managed to demonstrate Israel's capabilities to the Western world is kind of important, so I ask that anyone tasked with rating importance consider reviewing and reconsidering its importance to Israel's image abroad. // 3R1C 16:45, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I've been writing some articles related to terrorism and Israel. I would appreciate any help you guys can offer. The articles (so far) are:
In the near future, look for:
The common thread is that they are all linked from Yahya Ayyash, an article I'm looking to get up to FA status (I've been doing some big expansion here recently). Raul654 03:54, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
DING! -> Egged bus 36 bombing Raul654 03:53, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Strike off another one - Ramat Gan bus 20 bombing.This one's pretty small but the book I'm using didn't have much on it. Raul654 21:46, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
DING! The 2 million article was calling, so I created the last one - Jerusalem bus 26 bombing. Raul654 08:42, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
Could someone plese fix the first map on the Hizbollah page. It calls the Golan Heights part of Syria, which is disputed and untrue. Could someone fix it to take that line out? -- יהושועEric 21:07, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
See Talk:Allegations_of_Israeli_apartheid#A_quick_straw_poll for a present initiative to rename the page.-- Urthogie 13:58, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi WikiProject Israelers, I noticed that some users are inactive, such as the second user on the list who claims to be retired on his user page. Is there support to remove such users? -- יהושועEric 01:04, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
There's a discussion over the naming of " Israeli lira" or " Israeli pound". See Talk:Israeli lira#Requested move. - Will Beback · † · 05:41, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
...one giant leap for Jewish domination of media. Anyone know if there is a WikiProject USSR dedicated to fair treatment of information pertaining to the USSR or Stalin?
-G — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.231.137.228 ( talk • contribs) 18:20, 1 May 2007
Shalom guys, How about some updates for the Winograd Commission? ابو علي (Abu Ali) 13:04, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
I like the old layout better. It had everything you needed on one organized page, which was not overly long. nadav 16:45, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
What about all of the other info, such as To Do, Assessment Statistics, etc. You should probably have taken a vote before doing this. And you removed a lot of hard work. -- יהושועEric 19:22, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
Please support Ben Gurion International Airport's Featured Article Candidacy Here! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Eric1985 ( talk • contribs) 19:41, 3 May 2007 (UTC).
Shalom YaIsraelis. I have been watching the Israeli students strike over the last few weeks. When Israelis start getting the same brutal treatment from the Magav usually reserved for Arabs, then something important is happening in Israeli society. There is a fair amount of material in the Israeli media: eg. [13] [14] [15] (unfortunately I can not read well enough to make sense of the hebrew). Amazingly there is absolutely nothing about this on Wikipedia. Is there anyone who reads hebrew (or even participates in the demonstrations) who is prepared to write something here? ابو علي (Abu Ali) 21:19, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
I have already seen several anti-Israel and seemingly anti-Semetic edits come about from the new WP Palestine group. Keep your eyes open. -- יהושועEric 04:05, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for that Nadav. I was going to ask for the same thing myself. I am a member of all three projects because the subject matter they deal with often overlaps (one day it might be nice to change the name of Arab-Israeli conflict WikiProject to the Palestinian-Israeli common ground forum and coordinate activities there between the two, where there is overlap). Are there any examples that Eric can provide for these quite serious allegations? (I take charges of anti-Semitism very seriously being a die-hard anti-racist myself.) Tiamut 08:07, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Anti-Anti-semitism is a magic wand, and it is used against the Christians. We should not refer to anti-semitism, but as an insult as a whole. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.119.92.39 ( talk • contribs)
Mordechai Vanunu has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. LuciferMorgan 18:51, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Hello, all. Two problems someone can help with:
-- Tugbug 17:53, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
On the top of my head this comes to mind. Rishon LeZion was established in 1881. Petach Tikvah was already established in 1879. So Rishon LeZion is probably what they have in mind. Anyway a lot of pioneering activity took place in those years. Itzse 19:00, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
The Jews began to return to Israel in 1881 in great numbers. Until then there was quite a sizable amount of Jews who lived in the holyland; but due to many factors including the pogroms in Zarist Russia that started in 1881; a great wave of Russian Jews emigrated to the United States and to Israel, they were mostly the Chalutzim. Itzse 21:42, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
If any editors who are good with their history and have a lot of time on their hands for editing could please take a look at the lopsided POV in the high-importance Six-Day War article. Their's been a lot of discussion on the talk page there but little action. In honor of the war's 40th anniversary this week (on the Jewish calender), I am adding the task of NPOV balancing to the project to-do list. — Rafi Neal | T/ C 03:28, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
I just created this navigation box, since someone requested Template:IsraeliNobelPrizeWinners on the to-do list. If anyone wants to comment on this template, it's very basic and I haven't put it anywhere yet. And if we do use it, Israel will be the first counrty to have a navbox for its laureates. — Rafi Neal | T/ C 16:15, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Also, before I add the template to the articles, now is a good time to discuss inconsistency with "Prize Winner"/"Laureate". — Rafi Neal | T/ C 17:44, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
In the meantime I have redirected the template to Template:Israeli Nobel Laureates and categorized the template under Category:Awards navigational boxes. I'm also considering reordering the laureates by date, not name. Agnon wouldn't be offended, he's still first :) — Rafi Neal | T/ C 19:56, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Just got news back - we seem to have loads of articles around a high - b class so i think its a priority to get these promoted. Flymeoutofhere 08:32, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
I have just embarked on a major rewrite of the category Music of Israel. This article is rated as Start, and rightly so - it's pretty superficial.
It will take me a few weeks to finish it and post it to the pedia. If anyone else is working on this, I would like to know. If anyone wants to see what I have done so far, you can read it on my page, User:Ravpapa/My Drafts -- Ravpapa 16:58, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
I am proposing a mass-move of many Israel Defense Forces-related articles and therefore felt that the discussion should be posted here (and in other major pages) instead of the individual article pages. Basically IDF section articles are all titled Israel ___________ (e.g. Israeli Military Police, Israeli Armored Corps). I think this is contrary to Wiipedia's naming conventions and isn't factually accurate because the official names for these things do not have an 'Israeli' prefix. Also they shouldn't be capitalized. An existing article name which I almost support is Aman (IDF) (still, should be renamed to Intelligence directorate (IDF) IMO). I think all relevant articles should be named in such a way: Armored corps (IDF), Military police (IDF), Artillery corps (IDF), Infantry corps (IDF) etc. Please state your opinions. -- Ynhockey ( Talk) 20:12, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
Whilst trawling around the politics categories, I came across Security minister of Israel. I have requested that it be moved to Defense Minister of Israel. Please add your comments here. Also, if it is moved I may merge the List of Defense Ministers of Israel article into it, as it is not too long at present (and can be done with split columns). Thanks, Number 5 7 21:54, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
The El Al article is a FA candidate and in order to fulful the neccessary tasks to bring it up to this standard there are a number of tasks outlined on the talk page which need the attention of a hebrew speaking editor. Any help would be much appreciated. -- Flymeoutofhere 09:48, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
In the article on Tzippori, the statement that it is "the site of one of the oldest Jewish communities to be uncovered by archaeologists, and one of the richest in what has been found there" was first tagged and then removed as an uncited statement some time ago. I have been told something to this effect multiple times, on guided tours to the site. I am not surprised to be unable to find a source for such a statement in the scholarly record, as I get the impression that formal historians and archaeologists rarely make such broad-ranging statements, choosing instead a somewhat less impressive, but perhaps more professional tack, and writing something such as "It is the site of a rich and diverse historical and architectural legacy..."
I am positive that Tzippori is not simply yet another archaeological site in Israel, but has some truly major significance. Is there anyone out there who can help me find a source for its unique importance, please? LordAmeth 15:22, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Please offer views regarding my dispute with Malik Shabazz concerning the quoting of Ilan Pappe as a neutral reliable source on the article Israeli-Palestinian history denial. I feel that his view should be preceded by a slight note on his background (as an extreme anti-Zionist, member of the 'Communisty Party of Israel', who said that he supported Hamas), or it should be deleted altogether. This is like calling Daniel Pipes a reliable, neutral source on Islam. Ridiculus. Your views are appreciated. -- Rabbeinu 21:38, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Even if we consider Pappe to be a reliable source (an one could reasonably argue that he is), the Pappe quote does not support the conclusion that "Nakba denial" is a belief that exists in Israeli society (at least not in the same sense that Holocaust denial exists in Palestinian society). At best, it supports a kind of "Nakba amnesia" or "Nakba ignorance." Even the most die hard hawks would not deny that such an event ever took place in the same way that Hamas denies that the Holocaust exists. My feeling is that unless a reliable source can be found that states that a promiment group of Israelis believe that the Palestinian exodus did not occur in the way that mainstream historians describe it, then I would propose that the entire subsection be deleted on grounds of WP:OR. -- GHcool 05:54, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Such an article really ought to be Israeli-Palestinian history controversy not denial, since both sides dispute the history of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. ← Michael Safyan 03:10, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
i'm somewhat worried by the number of antizionists supposedly supporting the Wikipedia:WikiProject Israel. it's quite obvious that antizionists' main goal is to destroy israel, so i'm curious to the thoughts of the community about such blatent interventions. Jaakobou 12:09, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Jaakobou, I would remind you to be civil and assume good faith. First, anti-Zionists aren't necessarily intent on the destruction of the State of Israel. Second, unless somebody has stated that he or she is an anti-Zionist, or that her or his goal is the demise of the State, the fact is that you don't know what that person's motives are. — Malik Shabazz ( Talk | contribs) 19:30, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
The only benefit of being a member of this project is just that, being a member. I suggest that we come up with a clear guidelines defining an unacceptable behavior for a member of this project, and then publish it at the project's main page. As a first iteration, let me propose that promotion of the destruction of Israel as a Jewish nation-state is incompatible with this project. ← Humus sapiens ну ? 11:36, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
GHcool, Nadav, Jayjg and other participants; you deserve a thanks for your tremendous work. But to do all that GHcool has outlined above requires a constant vigilance. Do we have an endless supply of guys like you, and do you guys have an endless amount of time?
Who is to guarantee that after all the effort, someone in the future armed with truckloads of books and sources with enough time on his hands will claim that his sources are reliable and make us sweat it out to restore balance here, or worse actually carry the day, and all our work will go down the drain.
GHcool seems to have an optimistic view, and he might very well be right, but I don't have much faith in mankind and who knows who will pull the strings here in the future as more articles are created and more articles are developed.
I'm bringing this up because this boggles my mind and sometimes I wonder if I'm not wasting precious time here. As this is the WikiProject Israel page, I think that these and similar concerns need to be aired and discussed here to allay the fears of its participants. Itzse 20:17, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
In the History of EVER.
-- AceMyth 23:46, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
I have just finished a complete rewrite of the Music of Israel. For user msh210: it includes a section on Hassidic rock, which I think is what you mean by Shiny Shoe Music. Everyone is invited to review, correct, add salient info, and in general behave in the wiki spirit.
In particular, those of you who are Israeli rock afficionados might have what to add on that subject. I also think the category needs sections on The Music of Israeli Arabs and Other Minorities, and perhaps on Children's Songs.
I think we need to go for reassessment of this article. I am aiming for FA, and one of those ridiculous corps tags.
Tnx for your cooperation,
-- Ravpapa 16:43, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
I would like to create one or more navigation boxes for Israeli political parties (there are now articles on most parties, thanks for Number 57). However, there's a structural problem: if there's just one navigation box for all parties, past and present, then it will be huge and difficult to read. However, if there is a separate box for each election, it will create unnecessary clutter and a lot of very similar templates. Any suggestions? -- Ynhockey ( Talk) 12:13, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
I've copied a message and my response from my Talk to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Israel to get greater input Tewfik Talk 17:31, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
I've readded all the settlements in the subcats back to the top one too - I think it's important to have them all listed in one place too.
Also, I have been removing them from the ... in Israel categories as they are not in Israel. Number 5 7 10:37, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
I suggest the following solution:
Thoughts? Number 5 7 21:28, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
So, back to the question, do people agree or disagree with the proposal mentioned above? Number 5 7 13:32, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
[outdent] At least you concede that your view is also only a POV, not the objective truth. Please consider that when you discuss these issues and certainly when you edit.-- DLand TALK 13:01, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
I mostly support the proposal. Just one point bothers me, about the religious settlements - there's no such thing as a religious settlement and the only religious municipality in Israel is El'ad, which is not a settlement. Sure, some settlements are religious in nature, like Immanuel, but they are no:t officially religious, therefore calling them religious would not be fit for an encyclopedia. -- Ynhockey ( Talk) 17:34, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Tewfik has now taken it upon himself to remove all the articles from Category:Religious Israeli settlements and put them into various Religious XXX in Israel categories, despite the fact that they have also been removed from Category:Israeli settlements. Do we have to start this discussion from the start again? Number 5 7 09:52, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
I have just come across this article ( Al-Karamah Battle), and find its contents quite hard to believe. Even if the core facts are true, they are surely represented in a highly biased fashion. I am no expert on such matters, but I hope that someone here who is can take the necessary steps to rectify this situation and rewrite this article to better reflect the truth. Todah rabah. LordAmeth 22:54, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
I created an article for Kibbutz Gal On. Since it is in the scope of your Wikiproject, I added your template to it. Hope you like it, and hopefully I will be able to create articles for more kibbutzim in the future. Notecardforfree 08:05, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
User:Suicup is trying to push some of his/her own POV on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict page by claiming that "Israeli settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem are a key obstacle to a peaceful resolution of the conflict" (emphasis added). All fair-minded Wikipedia editors with a working knowledge of WP:NPOV have agreed that a more neutral word (such as "a factor" rather than "a key obstacle") would be more appropriate. Suicup claims to be unbiased in this matter, and yet in the debate, he/she accused those that challenged him to be "a clique of pro-Israeli contributors," implying that (1) Suicup is anti-Israel and therefore the lone voice of reason and (2) that there is a Jewish conspiracy on Wikipedia. Any help in this matter would be appreciated. Thanks. -- GHcool 06:08, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
-- Ravpapa 14:03, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
I think that Itzse's comment epitomizes the problem with this article. The article throughout - not just the section on settlements - tries to describe what the dispute is about, instead of saying what people say the dispute is about. "Israel says" is a fundamentally wrong thing to say: countries can't talk, only people can talk. Israeli government positions (of today - they change, you know) should be presented as direct quotes from position papers or from government spokesmen. Opposing views should also be direct quotes.
I wonder, for example, what the official Israeli position is on the question of settlements as an obstacle to peace. Off the top of my head, I cannot recall an Israeli spokesman saying "Israeli settlements are not an obstacle to peace," in so many words. Foreign ministers are wily, cagey, and mendastic, and they don't like to make clear statements of policy. Unofficially, both views have been stated clearly and emphatically by people of importance, and they should be directly quoted.
As long as we try to describe what the conflict is about, rather than what people say about the conflict, we will be caught in the kind of endless polemic that our friend Itzse presents. -- Ravpapa 04:33, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
While it's quite understandable why "Number 57" thinks that Ariel and Ma'ale Adumim is a key obstacle to peace, and maybe if I were living in Israel and in your shoes, I would want to believe so too. It is no more then another opinion. Therefore to use the word "factor" is more then enough as many people are of the opinion that it isn't even a factor; the problem lies elsewhere. Itzse 17:24, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi.. does anyone know what is the correct way to alphabetise Israeli last names.. Do David ben Gurion and Simon bar Kochba go under 'B' or under 'G' and 'K' respectively? What about arabic names e.g. 'Osama bin Laden'? Zargulon 19:54, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Stand up and be counted. Following is the reasoning that I gave for the article name change, and waited for any objections. When none were forthcoming I made the name change.
But as you can expect those wishing to have the old name because it pushes their POV, reverted my change. Let's do it the right way, and for that I need your help. Itzse 18:12, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Here is the explanation given in that talk page:
---Let's rename the article before we discuss the introduction---
Tiamat has suggested that we discuss the intro which has been a bone of contention.
Before we discuss what the content of the intro should be, we need to first go to the root of the problem; then I think everything will fall into place.
The problem is that the name of the article in and of itself is patently wrong, misleading and POV; which forces us to craft the intro to correct what it wrongly insinuates; otherwise the reader of the article will walk away thinking that a "Palestinian people" is a fact and there are no other opinions on the matter.
Let me explain if it still needs explaining. There is an article called Palestine which refers to the region called Palestine. Rightly or wrongly, it’s a fact. Then we have an article Palestinian Jews which talks about the Jews living in Palestine. Now for the Arabs living in Palestine we should have an article called Palestinian Arabs; instead, lo and behold "Palestinian Arabs" gets redirected to " Palestinian people"; which means that Wikipedia becomes an accomplice to pushing a one-sided POV and de-facto creating a "Palestinian people" which never existed. This is totally unfair to say the least.
Yes, there were Arabs living in Palestine just as there were Jews living there who were identified together as “Palestinians”, or as "Palestinian Arabs" and "Palestinian Jews" when identified individually. But after the establishment of the State of Israel, those Arabs who didn't want to be called "Israeli Arabs" were left without an identity, so by default they were called "Palestinians”. But that's a far cry from calling them "Palestinian People" which is a brand new creation for a political agenda.
At its best even if you don't agree with me; "Palestinian People" as it stands is POV, and it should be renamed to "Palestinian Arabs" which will automatically link directly numerous redirects. Itzse 21:42, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
In a nutshell: "Palestinian People" is POV, "Palestinian" was tried and found to be ambiguous and confusing. Therefore its time to try the correct term which is "Palestinian Arab".
As there are no objections, “Palestinian People” is being renamed to “Palestinian Arab” as per WP:Article naming policy, specifically WP:Precise. I hope that this will clear up any confusion.
As I don’t have much technical experience; if I botch up, please fix whatever needs to be fixed. Thanks everybody. Itzse 16:09, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Its been about a month now and there hasn't been much progress. It appears that a majority of editors feel that "Palestinians" is the better article title, but whenever we have come close to a consensus on this, someone scuttles the debate by asserting that Palestinians are a people by using the logic that "group of people" and "people" mean the same thing. I'm having trouble finding the will to continue the debate dispite how many times I've previously won it. I'm asking for some help and if I do not get it, I fear I will have to quit. If this happens, this will be the first Wikipedia debate I ever lost or come to no consensus on. -- GHcool 20:18, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
There is currently a disagreement here over whether the first sentence of Nuclear weapons and Israel should be "Israel was the sixth country in the world to develop nuclear weapons..." I would appreciate any input. -- Joshdboz 11:58, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Please comment on User:Number 57's moving of Yom Ha'atzmaut and Yom Yerushalayim to their respective English translations. The user has done so without consensus and subsequently undid my reverts - and I'm not prepared to get into a move war. Thank you, DLand TALK 15:42, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
I certainly hope Number 57 doesn't move Yom HaShoah to "Holocaust Day!" I suppose he/she would move Cinco de Mayo to "Fifth of May" as well? -- GHcool 19:05, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Ok, then - preliminary consensus established. Let's move them back.-- DLand TALK 19:16, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
I once heard a story that either a Danish fishing boat or a monument resembling such a boat is located near the Yad Vashem. If anybody has a picture of it, it would be a great addition to the rescue of the Danish Jews article. Valentinian T / C 14:57, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
There are two editors currently trying to keep the status quo of violating WP:Undue weight in the Causes of the 1948 Palestinian exodus article. I first tried asking them to cut their criticisms of the endorsemnt to flight theory down and when they refused, I told them I would add whatever I could find to make the claims section as long as the criticisms section. Now they're trying to censor the new stuff I added, mostly with flimsy excuses such as that The Continuum Political Encyclopedia of the Middle East doesn't exist. I'd appreciate some help. The most relevent section of the talk page is here. -- GHcool 17:21, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Please see discussion at
I spotted a doublet: Mitzpe Ramon Airfield (formerly referenced as an 'airfield' without mention of the fact that it is an airbase, not an airport) and Ramon Airbase. One should be deleted and the other cleaned up (please, see Ramon Airbase talk page), but I sure won't take the risk to be called a vandal and, then, won't do anything. Sorry for that, but I'm fed up with quick accusations and snipers… — Іван Коренюк ψ Ivan Korenyuk 14:44, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Please see Category:Palestinian territories and:
I have put forth a peer review for the Israel article at Wikipedia:Peer review/Israel/archive1. Comments are welcome there (and on Talk:Israel, if you prefer). -- tariqabjotu 19:58, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
At this moment, a significant case is occurring at the page for arbitration proceedings, at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Allegations of apartheid/Workshop, a subpage of Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Allegations_of_apartheid.
A group of editors has been developing an article entitled "Allegations of Israeli apartheid." In response, a group of editors attempted to build a set of articles detailing allegations of "apartheid" in other countries.
In response some editors of the Israel-apartheid article allege that editors who worked on articles about other countries have violated WP:POINT. However editors of articles on other countries say that they were trying to foster some objectivity.
Currently, the ArbCom case has shown somewhat of a pattern of conflicting allegations about various users' conduct, related to both sides in the discpute. This was inevitable, since ArbCom's primary focus is user conduct, not content disputes.
Your help might be useful. Please go to this proceeding and insert your comments on what you feel are the best ways to achieve fairness and balance, in accordance with Wikipedia principles.
If you wish, you may also weigh in at WP:VPP, on the question of whether ArbCom or some other body should address content disputes, in order to somewhat reduce the cycle of accuations and allegations.
Thank you. -- Steve, Sm8900 03:01, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
There is a discussion on whether to rename this category Category:Religious Kibbutz Movement as the main article has been moved to Religious Kibbutz Movement. Number 5 7 08:11, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Someone created an AfD for the List of attacks committed during the Second Intifada article. Please vote your conscience here. -- GHcool 06:23, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
The article Shlomi Bar'el has been nominated for deletion. Sources have been provided in the AfD discussion but are still not actually used in the article. Input, particularly from editors who are familiar with the Hebrew alphabet, would be most appreciated. – Black Falcon ( Talk) 17:28, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
We have a Qxz ad! It's here. Sah msi dea Tel Aviv 22:17, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Beit She'an is currently a good article, but may lose that status if deficiencies are not corrected. We need help from somebody knowledgeable about this city and its history, or somebody who has access to reliable sources of information about the city. Online sources are not particularly comprehensive, so a trip to the library may be required. - Jehochman Talk 04:31, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
What do people think about using Template:MKs rather than Template:Infobox Prime Minister for Prime Minister of Israel (see David Ben-Gurion vs Haim-Moshe Shapira)? Personally I would prefer it, as it can show multiple previous parties (more common to Israel :) ), multiple previous cabinet posts (both of which Infobox politician can do, but making it horrendously big) and year of Aliyah. It is also used for PMs over on the he.wikipedia in place of the more general PM infobox. Thoughts? Number 5 7 14:57, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
A handful of editors are trying to put the references to the work of Norman Finkelstein in the Causes of the 1948 Palestinian exodus. Comments are welcome here. -- GHcool 19:35, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
As part of the Notability wikiproject, I am trying to sort out whether M. Seligman & Co. is notable enough for an own article. I would appreciate an expert opinion. For details, see the article's talk page. If you can spare some time, please add your comments there. Thanks! -- B. Wolterding 18:30, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
I recently changed the wikiproject page's interface to an older one that was existent for back this year. I think its simpler, cleaner and better for the PR of this project. Everything about the project is linked to from within it so no data is being mispresented. Please discuss... in the meantime i will revert. - ephix —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 22:09, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Not many supporters for the new interface. I will revert to the old one. - Derwig 17:59, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
According to many authors, including Israeli once, the Israel youth groups aren't informed about Jewish history in Poland, they visit only Holocaust places, don't meet young Poles. The article doesn't mention any problem, so it's biased. Xx236 07:35, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
The problem was specified in July: Talk:March of the Living, no comments yet. I (or we) prefer to discuss the problem before editing the article. Xx236 09:44, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
As a monolinguist, I am finding myself inadequate to properly expand the article on journalist Israel Segal. :) It needs details on his date of birth as well as more information about his career. There are relatively few articles in English about this man, who seems by the accounts I've found to be notable. I'd appreciate any assistance that anyone can offer. :) -- Moonriddengirl 01:36, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Please see this [19] Zeq 21:23, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
http://mathaba.net/news/?x=567234 I'm not sure how and where this problem started to arrise, but please make sure that such a problem does not exist. -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 20:50, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
There are some points to the webarticle. I would advise to retool this information. Instead of making this about "Chávez is anti-semitic" (as one could read the article now), you should make it about how Venezuala/Chávez likes to "taunt" other countries. Make Venezuela the subject, and Israel "one of the victims". Give equal weight to all those "victims" and less people will complain. That works much better to prevent reactions like the one above I think. WP:Israel sometimes writes a bit too much from the Israeli viewpoint, that is something that I do agree with. I know it's not really your "responsibility", but Israel is a delicate subject, so some BLP-like carefulness can never hurt. One of the BLP rules: If the subject is only notable trough this one event, then write about the event and include the subject, instead of writing a biography of the subject. So make it about "taunting others, incl israel" instead of "attacking israel". -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 12:18, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Help is needed to sort out the Deputy leaders of Israel article. There's confusion of the following titles Acting Prime Minister, Deputy Prime Minister and Vice Prime Minister and who holds those titles. GoodDay 14:23, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone have any objections to me requesting that MiszaBot II automatically archive this page? If not, I'll request that it archive any discussion more than 20 days old. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 08:09, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
I think you should pay attention to this article, for mi it's just a hoax. -- Kimdime69 23:49, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
As the article is mostly just the movie's description [20], and lacks any independent reliable sources (the 2 references are actually 2 releases of the same movie, and the single inline citation links to a blog), the article can probably be deleted as mere spam. Rami R 09:18, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
As many of you may have noticed, User:MJCdetroit converted many Israeli municipality infoboxes into global city infoboxes. There are several problems with this:
What are your opinions? I personally suggest to revert all the changes and keep using the Israeli template (Infobox Israel muni).
-- Ynhockey ( Talk) 20:57, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
So, what is going to be done? More municipalities are being changed to the new infobox, while many others are left with the old, creating an annoying inconsistency. I have been unable to transfer the dynamic map to the local Israeli template, and therefore this is now the immediate benefit of the global template. Also it no longer uses 'settlement', which means that 2 of the major disadvantages have been removed - leaving only the fact that it's difficult to add alternative transliterations and names. So, do we keep converting to the new template, or revert all the changes and use the old one? I propose a combination, but for that someone would need to be able to move the dynamic map to the Israeli template. If no one is able to do this, we will probably have to move to the global template. Please comment. -- Ynhockey ( Talk) 21:05, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that many of the military entries' new and improved titles used (IDF) as a disambiguation term. I'm not sure that this is a good idea, as both the Iceland Defense Forces and Irish Defence Forces use that acronym. While " Paratroopers Brigade (IDF)" may not be confused, it seems the likelihood exists, and so perhaps you should use something like (Israel) instead? Let me know, Tewfik Talk 01:37, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
Since those working on the Towns Info box did such a good job of enhancing the new info box, I would ask that they do the same to the Info Box for kibbutzim. It would greatly enhance the infobox to have items such as the pushpin map and longtitud/latitude of the kibbutz displayed.
As moshavim are similar to kibbutzim in many ways (and with the moves by Kibbutz Degania and Ayalelet Hashahar to privatize - convert to moshavim), though, as far as I know, they lack an affliliation to an organization as is part of the kibbutz profile, I would also suggest using the kibbutz infobox for moshavim as well. Talk 17:47, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi, the article about
Latrun refers to 2 battles : operation Bin Nun and Bin Nun Bet.
Anita Shapira talks about 6 assaults during the 1948 War.
I identified 5 :
What would be the 6th one ?
Thank you,
Alithien
11:58, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Do you think this article is ready for GA nomination? -- Ravpapa 09:27, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
At the top it says:
“ | Note that none of these articles mention if the Kibbutzim are also illegal settlements under international law established in occupied territories (Golan Heights or West Bank). | ” |
Can someone explain if this is correct or not? Govvy 14:44, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
kk, cheers, Govvy 10:22, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
While this does not concern Israel or WP:ISRAEL as a whole, I'd like to point out an article, Tel Arad, which does not have any references even though it's probably very easy to find them considering it's an article about the history of a fairly well-known site. Can anyone find some references please? After that we can start trying to turn this into a good article. -- Ynhockey ( Talk) 22:38, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Isn't this image a bit too "suggestive" to be used as the image for the project? Why not the Israeli flag, like on every other national project? It pretty much gives the impression that Wikipedia is controlled by Jews! Funkynusayri ( talk) 02:32, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
[[:Image:Protocols of the Elders of Zion 2005 Syria al-Awael.jpg|thumb|This 2005 Syrian edition includes an "historical and contemporary investigative study" that repeats the blood libel among other antisemitic accusations, and argues that the Torah and Talmud encourage Jews "to commit treason and to conspire, dominate, be arrogant and exploit other countries". ITC CSS]] I don't mean that it would look like that, as if it was true, but it would look like anti-Jewish propaganda which aimed to prove it, like those old Protocols of Zion book covers of a Jew holding the world and similar. Maybe I'm too suspicious, but I'd imagine the same if I it was a crescent moon with a Wikipedia logo in it, I'd think the creators were trying to show that Wikipedia was run by Muslims. Funkynusayri ( talk) 03:53, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
I have recently expanded the Shaghur article by adding statistics provided by the ICBS via Ynhockey and merging the Majd al-Krum, Bi'ina and Deir al-Asad articles into Shaghur as done in the Hebrew wikipedia. The article is currently rated a Start article but I think now since the city's demographics, economy, education, politics, sports and history sectors have been created and the article hits all major points it deserves B-class status. -- Al Ameer son ( talk) 01:01, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
It's fine
Hi all,
Wikinews reporter User:David Shankbone is going on a trip to Israel and will be gathering materials for Wikipedia, Commons and Wikinews: see announcement here on wikinews.
This would "including guided tours of the tunnels under the Western Wall, the Temple Mount, and Tel Aviv (for photos all), in addition to the pre-arranged schedule" and interviews.
I'd like to ask anyone here to go to the discussion page on Wikinews and give suggestions or requests, as well as to come to Wikinews to edit the articles resulting from this excursion.
-- Steven Fruitsmaak ( Reply) 16:32, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
These articles are written in a very one sided and anti-Israeli point of view. It really needss attention. Best Regards -- Kaaveh ( talk) 00:55, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Please see Golan Heights, an ip editor appears to be POV pushing. Pocopocopocopoco ( talk) 18:23, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I've found a historic photo that might be feature-worthy but the caption from the century-old stereoscope looks politically loaded by today's standards (Mideast issues). So I'm seeking feedback on how to craft NPOV language and move forward with a nomination. The discussion is located here. Input would be much appreciated.
I contacted a couple of users individually, but I guess the best thing to do here is to contact both the Israel and the Palestine WikiProjects. It's a fine historic image of two Arab women grinding coffee, basially apolitical, but the original description doesn't look NPOV by today's standards. I'd just like to move toward WP:FPC without accidentally stepping on anybody's toes. Best regards, Durova Charge! 23:28, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
I seem to recall from a course at uni that Ashdod, Ashkelon and Be'er Sheva were all originally classed as development towns - can anyone confirm this before I add them to the article? Cheers, пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 12:30, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
For the Israel stamp collectors and lovers, there is no article yet for Postage stamps and postal history of Israel (part of Category:Postal history by country) that would have so many Jewish themes. Feel free to go ahead and start it. (See the other country's in Category:Postage stamps by country that have theirs.) Nothing for Israel on Category:Postage stamps by country neither on List of country articles containing postal sections nor on List of philatelic bureaus. (but just a teeny note on Israel at Compendium of postage stamp issuers (Io - Iz).) This is truly a great shame and pity because Israel, and before that when it was the British Mandate produced and continues to issue the most beautiful and extensive stamps by any country. Thank you, IZAK ( talk) 11:09, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi. I think the COTW feature is currently way underused and was wondering if there is any way to send a message to members of the Wikiproject each week with the new article in it? At the moment it isnt being updated, I think in part, because the articles arent really acted on when they are COTW. -- Flymeoutofhere ( talk) 17:01, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
An Israeli company Emblaze LD listed on the UK stock exchange LSE: BLZ has taken over a Korean company with notability issues called Innostream. If anyone on this project would like to effect a merge write on the new parent company, their input would be very welcome. -- Gavin Collins ( talk) 11:59, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Should really this portal deal with items, people or sites in occupied areas? Ofeig ( talk) 12:08, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
i am an ex-mossad man. i was in mossad from 1983 till 1987 and i am wanting to become a member of this great project. is that perhaps possible? can i join the wikiproject israel? how do you become a member. how do you join? Shojaijekhi ( talk) 20:14, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
That is just great. Tanks. Tanks a lot. Shojaijekhi ( talk) 21:14, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
As above visitor noted, The way to join is not obvious at all. Main page should have a JOIN link. Mewnews ( talk) 10:30, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi, does anyone here have a reference on the general Israel opinion on Khalil al-Wazir? I assume most Israelis view him as a terrorist but think a source would be approprate. More importantly, does anyone have a much-needed source on al-Wazir's role in the Coastal Road massacre and whether or not he was granted any special status by the Israeli government i.e No. 1, 2 3 terrorist? Any help in finding these sources would be much appreciated. Cheers! -- Al Ameer son ( talk) 04:36, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
I am new to editing and seek guidance but it strikes me that MANY of the "palestine"-related articles here are full of lies, propaganda, and designs made to encourage people to hate Israel and Jews. Is there not a way to counter this? Thanks, No Oven For Me —Preceding unsigned comment added by No Oven For Me ( talk • contribs) 23:04, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Greetings. For a brief shining moment, you'll see the new Postage stamps and postal history of Israel as a Did you know... on the Main Page, with a picture. Feel free to contribute to the article. L'hitraot, HG | Talk 11:37, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
I have just spread the content of the project page and saw that there were already some subpages which are orphaned, - does anyone know what the deal is here?-- Flymeoutofhere ( talk) 16:07, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
While it's definitely not a reliable source for disputed material, palestinremembered dot com has been used dozens of times as a source for seemingly neutral 'factual' material, like the dates of Israeli operations against Arab villages. However, a recent find by the Kiryat Yam municipality showed that palestineremembered is wrong even in its basic information. A quick check on this page (click 'View in Google Earth') is proving Kiryat Yam right, that the source didn't come from Google but from palestineremembered (K. Yam is actually suing Google for not replying to requests to remove the false information). I think in light of this information, a major re-examination of this source needs to take place, and each and every Wikipedia page with it as a source should be verified against another source, and if this is not possible, then all info taking data from PR.com should be removed ASAP. Thoughts? -- Ynhockey ( Talk) 22:18, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
I would like to ask: why does user Tiamut want articles on fake villages to remain? —Preceding unsigned comment added by No Oven For Me ( talk • contribs) 15:06, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Palestine Remembered is not always wrong, but it is better not to rely on him exclusively. It is one guy doing the whole thing and it is definitely not neutral POV. Palestine remembered.com had things like this: 1- Picture of Zeev Jabotinsky in a uniform of the WW I Zion Mule corps or Jewish Legion labelled "Jabotinsky in his Fascist Uniform" 2- Picture of a building that he claimed is the house of a Sheikh that was taken over by the Weizmann Institute in 1948. I live next door to the Weizmann Institute and I worked in it. Nobody ever saw such a house and Weizmann Institute never took any land in 1948. All the land in Rehovot was bought long before then. I don't know if they are still there. There are other examples. Many of the massacre claims are disputed as well.
The detailed Palestine population estimate figures were given in the HM Mandate Blue Books (VilStat) issued every year. The UN has posted detailed population figures from 1945 vilstat. I think that Palestine remembered figures ultimately come from that source - via books that were out before the UN posted the figures: http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/3822b5e39951876a85256b6e0058a478/5fbced3943293bbd0525656900654aa6!OpenDocument and also at http://www.mideastweb.org/palestine_population_un_2.htm These go down to villages that had 20 people or even -- which means no data I guess. Everything should be there.
There were important discrepancies between the numbers presented by the anglo-American survey and the last vilstat, not systematic ones that could be explained by population increase or any systematic error. Regarding location of villages there is a problem illustrated by the Kiryat Yam issue. I suggest that you use the British Survey map that is at palestineremembered somewhere in a huge file. It is also at Mideastweb in 3 parts - http://www.mideastweb.org/northernisraelmap1949.htm and you can get to the others from there - if the village is not on that map and you can't find it in any reliable source that fact should be noted in any article about it and maybe it is best not to write about those - there are plenty that are documented. Many villages were really tiny or had been abandoned. Admittedly that map probably didn't mark every village. However I am not sure that such villages are part of the Israel project and not part of the Palestine project. Does it matter? Mewnews ( talk) 01:10, 16 February 2008 (UTC)