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Category:Antrim GAA club championships and 31 other similar categories (all sub-categories of
Category:GAA County Championships), which are within the scope of this WikiProject, have been nominated for renaming from X GAA club championships
to the title X GAA County Championships
. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at
the category's entry on the
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BrownHairedGirl
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22:36, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
An editor has decided to create new categories using the administarive county borders and has set about changing the location of numerous areas including Oldbawn and Saggart [1]. Just said I would inform everyone. Finnegas ( talk) 12:41, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
Category:Watersports in County Dublin, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 13:52, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
Foulksrath Castle needs some independent eyes and probably some research.... Regards, Ariconte ( talk) 10:11, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
Category:Tipperary GAA hurlers, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for renaming to Category:Tipperary hurlers. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 15:57, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
Category:Moyne-Templetouhy hurlers, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for deletion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Finnegas ( talk) 23:02, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
FYI. There is a discussion taking place at Talk:International System of Units/Archives/02/2013#Ireland and South Africa about whether 1960s metrication in Ireland should be covered in a section called simply "United Kingdom and the Commonwealth", or whether the more inclusive title "United Kingdom, Ireland, South Africa and Commonwealth of Nations", or similar, should be used. It is in the International System of Units article. 212.183.128.211 ( talk) 23:02, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
See Template talk:Dublin_clubs#Requested_move, where I have opened a requested moves discussion on the 35 navigational box templates in Category:Gaelic Athletic Association club navigational boxes.
These templates all fall within the scope of WikiProject Ireland and WikiProject Gaelic games, and some of them fall within the scope of WikiProject Northern Ireland. I will therefore place the same notification on each project's talk page. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 12:56, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
Should modern counties or the traditional 32 counties be used when categorising Ireland related categories? What is your opinion? Consensus has already been gained on GAA articles that the traditional 32 be used Finnegas ( talk) 19:51, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
As I said I would to Brocach the last day I was active, I have brought this issue to a board of peers, though Scolaire sort of beat me to it in a way.
Having failed with trying to have the County Londonderry categories deleted and replaced with County Derry ones for GAA articles amongst other back-door attempts to bypass IMoS, Brocach recently went about amending see also links for almost all Derry GAA club articles. Whilst he was correct to fix the link, i.e. "List of Gaelic Athletic Association clubs#Derry" to "List_of_Gaelic_games_clubs_in_Ireland#Derry" [2], [3], he also added the #Derry to other articles for example: [4] and [5].
Due to the potential IMoS violation ( [6] - using the Lissan GAC article as the general example) I amended the links further by adding "GAA" after Derry to give: "List_of_Gaelic_games_clubs_in_Ireland#Derry GAA". For this hash link to work I also modified the actual article by removing the pipe-link for all the County GAA's so that it would state "Derry GAA" etc. Brocach reverted all changes, citing no need for the article to state GAA after each county board as "GAA county" is stated at the top of the article. As well citing that there is no need for it as IMoS backs it. Note that IMoS only states "usually be abbreviated to", not that it must be:
Use Derry for the city and County Londonderry for the county in articles. Where an entity uses a particular name, regardless of whether it is Derry or Londonderry, use that name for the entity; thus County Derry Post (newspaper), High Sheriff of County Londonderry, former Derry Central Railway, North West Liberties of Londonderry, and Derry GAA (which will usually be abbreviated to Derry).
Secondly I noticed the following IMoS violating template: Template:Derry clubs. I moved the article to Template:Derry GAA clubs. I then amended all attached articles to match. Brocach reverted all of these changes too with no apparent reason given.
Seeing as the whole situation is a mess of IMoS violation or potential IMoS violation I propose the following:
In my view these are a very reasonable set of proposals to clarify what is actually being referred to and to fix the IMoS violations and potential violations. Mabuska (talk) 18:06, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Before proceeding further, can you please specify which guideline in IMOS is being violated or potentially violated, and how? Scolaire ( talk) 23:23, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Meanwhile, can anybody specify which guideline in IMOS is being violated or potentially violated, and how? Scolaire ( talk) 22:41, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
The proposal begins "Seeing as the whole situation is a mess of IMoS violation or potential IMoS violation". What does this mean? It's a simple question. Scolaire ( talk) 08:15, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
I agree with Laurel's comment. Acting dumb in a clear attempt at stone-walling the issue along with failing to provide an actual proper reason for objecting to the proposals. How?...
Simple? Or are you going to continue playing the "I don't know, I don't see the problem" card? Mabuska (talk) 10:57, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
Please remain civil. I am neither dumb nor playing dumb. I am not playing card games or any other games. I am not attempting to stonewall any issue; I merely asked a civil question in the interests of helping the discussion along. The comment about POV-pushing was ill-advised, and I have withdrawn it. I hope you feel my detailed reasons for opposing three of the four proposals are clearer. However, my basic question is the same, and I feel that it remains unanswered: how can following IMOS guidelines be a violation of IMOS? If IMOS ackowledges that there are exceptions to the rule, and specifies that "Derry GAA", abbreviated to "Derry" is one of those exceptions (and I added that bit after a lengthy discussion, with no objections at the time), then how can anybody violate IMOS by following that guideline? Scolaire ( talk) 15:25, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
What in IMOS is being violated and how? If the answer is so obvious, why on earth can you not say it straight? Scolaire ( talk) 00:14, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
@Scolaire - no-one else seemed to misunderstand the "badly worded" proposal so far. @Brocach - actually the IMoS discussion page is where this should of been put, not here or at the GAA project page. Obviously you would agree to the problem you added into the IMoS - made worse by Scolaire rewording it to make it more vague. Scolaire can go on about what is being violated in IMoS when their editing of your addition created his vindication for stating "what's wrong?" whilst also creating the vagueness and lack of clarity in it that is at present being abused to vindicate the usage of "Derry" in a non-context manner giving the impression that it represents the name of the county rather than simply a GAA county board.
There is obviously no consensus for Brocach's addition and Scolaire's rewording of it seeing as so far 4 out of 6 editors back change (yes too small a sample for even a rough consensus) - so a simpler solution might be to propose removing it altogether - but clarity would be a better way to move forward, hence proposal 4.
Oh yes Scolaire, it is generally accepted that if you edit a comment you've already made and have already had responses to, that you don't edit it afterwards but make a new comment after it. Mabuska (talk) 22:17, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
Laurel Lodged I'd have much greater sympathy if you where consistent in your position and ensured consistency after your proposals. Your move of Category:Tipperary GAA hurlers I supported but now we have one category out of 100's with an odd name, do you plan to clean up Category:Gaelic games players by sport ?
You've moved some county competition articles but not all , why?
Why is Derry being singled out ? Will a consensus here be used to do that same for Dublin GAA next week?
Why have you bi-passed WP:GAA ? Gnevin ( talk) 11:24, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
As some editors have an issue with proposals 2 and 3, I will suggest alternatives that may meet those concerns:
Mabuska (talk) 11:42, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
Oppose: It gets rather confusing when someone offers four proposals, all unnecessary, to address a non-existent violation of IMoS; refuses to identify what part of IMoS is being violated; then makes a "counter-proposal" to his own four proposals, consisting of two equally uncalled for changes. Brocach ( talk) 21:03, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
Oppose per Brocach. IMOS cannot violate IMOS, therefore the original proposals were pointless, and modifying them is equally pointless. Scolaire ( talk) 23:39, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
Contrary to Scolaire's continued insistence the IMoS is actually being violated and willfully so: the IMoS states that Derry GAA will be usually abbreviated to [[Derry GAA|Derry]] - how is this met with Brocach's hash article links? Just to remind everyone this is what they are using: List of Gaelic games clubs in Ireland#Derry - how does this meet the IMoS? How does this avoid confusing the GAA county for the city or the county of Londonderry? It doesn't. Opposing the addition of "GAA" to the end of the link which is clearly violating IMoS shows that the opposition from Brocach and Scolaire has more to do with POV pushing than anything else.
Scolaire can ignore the obvious fact that several editors agree with my proposals, which clearly shows that there is a problem with what is currently in the IMoS despite what they might try to claim. Maybe they don't want to admit their rewording has got it wrong, maybe they want to ensure the ambiguity remains so that it can be abused, who knows. The counter-proposals I suggested met Scolaire's secondary reasons for objecting (seeing as his original reason was a blunt oppose), and as I suspected he would, he opposed them too. Going by his recent crack-up on my talk page where he decided to totally over-react to a simple comment on etiquette, they have decided to have no further part in this discussion! As was clear to me from the start, Scolaire's opposition is based on a desire to ensure this problem remains in the IMoS regardless of what is proposed.
Like it or not Scolaire, I have identified a problem that arose out of your tinkering with the IMoS and 3 other editors agree with me - so the problem is real. Mabuska (talk) 19:37, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
Please note that an attempt to move this towards consensus has begun here. Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 00:18, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
Seeing as this issue was leap-frogged by the GAA in general issue, I would like Kim Dent-Brown to clarify that proposal 1 should be implemented as it has 5 supports, 1 oppose and 1 who doesn't really care where it's at, so I'd call that a consensus for proposal 1, whilst the rest are obviously irrelevant now. Mabuska (talk) 22:16, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
An editor has requested comment at WT:MOS which may affect the way some biographical articles within the scope of this Wikiproject are styled. The discussion is at WT:MOS#Translation of patronymics. Daicaregos ( talk) 11:18, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
There is an active RFC
here at
Talk:Limerick Pogrom that could use your participation! Appreciate it, cheers...
Zad
68
14:19, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
There is an active RFC here at Talk:Michael_Gambon. Input and feedback is welcome. ÓCorcráin ( talk) 20:56, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
File:Irish bacon.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.92.180.137 ( talk) 02:02, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
Category:1900 in Northern Ireland and 19 other YYYY in Northern Ireland categories, which are within the scope of this WikiProject, have been nominated for possible deletion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you.. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 09:42, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
I've recently been expanding the Ulster loyalism article. As part of this, I added a section on collusion with the security forces. However, one editor has removed it several times. We have been discussing it on the talkpage but with only two editors involved the discussion is going nowhere. We need input from other editors. ~Asarlaí 14:43, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
Category:1883–84 in Irish rugby union and 104 other similar categories, which are all within the scope of this WikiProject, have been nominated for merger to parent categories. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 12:38, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
image:FingalCrest.png has been nominated for speedy deletion -- 70.24.250.103 ( talk) 05:10, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
I have proposed that a series for categories within the scope of this WikiProject shoukd be merged to their parent categories. The categories are:
The discussion is at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 April 12#Sportspeople_from_Irish_suburbs_and_towns. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 16:10, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
One editor, User:Laurel Lodged, who has a long history of controversial edits in relation to the modern administrative counties, has recently recommenced edits that seek, for example, to identify Irish sportspeople as being "from" the modern administrative county that they would have been born in had they been born many years later. The rugby player Cecil Boyd, for example, who was born in County Dublin 119 years before Fingal was created, has been designated by Laurel Lodged as being "from Fingal". Does anyone out there support this anachronistic rewriting of Irish articles? Brocach ( talk) 22:22, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
{{
subst:cfm|categ-to-be-merged-to}}
). If there is a consensus to do, then a bot will perform the recategorisation .... and if there is not a consensus to do so, then a the category will stay.I rarely agree with Obiwankenobi, but on this occasion he gets it in a nutshell: "always diffuse to the most precise modern-day geographical category".
I want to set out at greater length why there are lots of good reasons for this:
This gives us two choices: a) split up all geographical categories so that we can categorise according to the names applied at the time, or b) accept the anachronism and keep the categories unified.
The consistent practice has been that we keep the categories unified, and accept the anachronism. For example, 19th-century ppl from Queen's County are categorised as Category:People from County Laois, even tho it was not called that in their lifetimes. Same for Birr: we have Category:People from Birr, County Offaly but not Category:People from Parsonstown. Same too for Port Laoise: we have Category:People from Portlaoise, but not Category:People from Maryborough. Same again for Dún Laoghaire: we have Category:People from Dún Laoghaire, but not Category:People from Kingstown, Dublin. (There should be {{ category redirect}}s for those names).
The alternative would disrupt navigation (which per WP:CAT#Overview is the main purpose of categories). The people concerned were all from the same area, so we categorise them together because they come from the same place rather than because they come from a place which was consistently named.
See
Counties of Ireland#History for how they were created in various stages between the Norman conquest and the Elizabethan era, with a further few (
County Wicklow and
County Londonderry) at the start of the 17th century. Along the way, Connacht changed from being a county to a province, and several counties came and went: for example
County Desmond,
Nether Tyrone and
Upper Tyrone as well as several counties of the Earldom of Ulster:
Coulrath/Coleraine,
Blathewyc,
Cragferus,
del Art,
Dun (also known as
Ladcathel), and
Twescard.
The
Local Government (Ireland) Act 1898 didn't abolish any counties, but it did revise the boundaries of Counties
Galway,
Clare,
Mayo,
Roscommon,
Sligo,
Waterford,
Kilkenny,
Meath and
Louth, and others.
So far as I can see it would be a huge and sprawling mess of confusion, with a mass of categories for each area depending on which era we were talking about. Even if someone was masochistic enough to try devising such a structure, that's only the start of the problem. How on earth are editors going to populate these categories without access to a detailed set of historical county maps, which show all the enclaves and exclaves which used to exist? Many editors will never have heard of these former counties or be aware of the boundary changes. To take just one example, how many editors know where the boundary between Counties Dublin and Carlow was before County Wicklow was carved out of them in 1606?
As a simple example, consider Glendalough. It's still much the same place as it was 900 years ago: valley, lakes, monastic ruins, etc. Since then it has seen roads and new houses, changes to field patterns and afforestation, but it's still the same place. It's a complete nonsense to say that at any given point in that history, the place didn't exist. It has existed throughout the last 1000 years and more.
All that has changed is the label we attach to the wider area around Glendalough: it was part of the Kingdom of Lenister until the era of King John, then part of County Dublin until 1606, when it became part of the new County Wicklow. Same place, packaged differently.
Or take, Daingean. Whether we call it Philipstown, King's County or "Daingean, County Offaly", it's the same place.
That's the thing about the county names; they are just labels for places. The text of articles should use the historically appropriate terminology for that topic. But for categories, which cover a wide range of topics, why not just use the most up-to-date labelling system? It's clearly defined, unambiguous, and easily checked against current maps. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 08:25, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
file:DermO'N.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 70.24.250.103 ( talk) 03:51, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
Category:People by city in Ireland, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for merger. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 10:33, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
Category:Gaelic football players and 13 of its subcategories, most of which are within the scope of this WikiProject, have been nominated for renaming to "Gaelic footballers". If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 14:44, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
Category:Sport in Portarlington, County Laois, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for merger. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 07:56, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
Limerick have been moved to Limerick (Ireland) by user:Red Slash, without any discussion taking place on the talk page of Limerick or here. There have been several discussions over the years and none of them established a consensus for a move. Snappy ( talk) 18:05, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
Category:Athletes from Ireland, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for deletion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Laurel Lodged ( talk) 21:15, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
We currently have a disambiguation page at Great Britain and Ireland and an article at UK & Ireland that have virtually identical content. Several similar terms redirect to either one of those targets or British Isles. At Talk:Great Britain and Ireland#Merge proposal I have proposed merging the article and dab page (with no preference to direction) and retargetting all the redirects to the merged page. Your comments on the proposal would be welcome. Thryduulf ( talk) 18:49, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
I have requested that Lebor Gabála Érenn be moved to Book of Invasions as per WP:ENGLISH. I'm hoping this won't be a contentious issue however I'm playing it safe and following the WP:RM/CM process just in case. I've posted a notification here just to give it a fair exposure however please discuss the move at the actual request. -- Jamie u t 11:06, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at
Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2013_April_15#Irish_national_media.
Obi-Wan Kenobi (
talk)
01:06, 29 April 2013 (UTC) comments welcome.
Please contribute at Talk:Flag of Northern Ireland#RfC: Should the Flag of Northern Ireland article show the flag of Ireland?.The poll is not conclusive one way or the other so extra input would be appreciated. Dmcq ( talk) 11:18, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
See: Talk:Limerick#Requested move 2013 for the proposal and discussion. The Banner talk 12:28, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
Category:1971 All Star (hurling) and 24 other similar categories, all of which are within the scope of this WikiProject, have been nominated by me for merger or deletion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 12:35, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
See here. Apparently someone has decided that novels written by Irish people are not Irish enough. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.40.102.45 ( talk) 15:54, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
File:TUhawkins.jpg and File:TUNewell.jpg and File:TUStephConstr.jpg have been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.76.126 ( talk) 06:16, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
When I first came across the Black Irish article last year it seemed to be a perfect example of an article that had lost the run of itself. It was an eclectic mish-mash of Fir Bolg, Tuatha Dé Danann, Spanish armada, Basques, genetic markers, and anything else that could be used to show why some Irish people had black hair and blue eyes and not red hair and freckles. After reading the opinions on the Talk page of the article, I proposed on 19 March that, due to lack of citations, original research, primary sources, and what appears to be coat-racking, the article needed to be radically pruned - in fact back to the lede. I left the proposal there for six weeks and received only one response, which was in favour. On 7 May I wrote on the Talk page that, if no-one objected, I would carry out the pruning. No-one objected. So I pruned. Now a new editor has arrived on the scene, reverted my edit, and we're back to square one, laying the groundwork for a fresh series of half-baked theories. Would anyone here be interested in contributing their thoughts on this? Hohenloh + 00:53, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
Just a heads-up if anyone wants to review this submission. FoCuSandLeArN ( talk) 23:46, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
File:St. Pius X school crest.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.76.126 ( talk) 06:39, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
This page [ [9]] was redirected to [ [10]] without notifying anyone or getting consensus by [ [11]]. Is he allowed to do that without consensus and if not how does one undo a redirect? ÓCorcráin ( talk) 14:02, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
image:George Edward Nurse VC.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.76.126 ( talk) 08:16, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
A content dispute has broken out at Direct Democracy Ireland, please join in the discussion at Talk:Direct Democracy Ireland. Rgds, Snappy ( talk) 13:15, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
The map used on the 18 articles about the various NI constituencies is 3 years out of date, being a map of the constituencies as they were from 2005-2010 e.g. at Lagan_Valley_(UK_Parliament_constituency) anyone able to fix? Valenciano ( talk) 20:03, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
Comment would be welcome here on what category names should be used for the Members of Parliament who sat at Westminster during the Commonwealth of England, Scotland and Ireland in the 1650s. Thanks. Opera hat ( talk) 20:27, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
At Category talk:Irish bishops#Reorganisation necessary I have proposed a reorganisation of the articles and subcategories of Category:Irish bishops. Comments there are welcome. jnestorius( talk) 11:02, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
File:SouthTipperaryCrest.png has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.79.6 ( talk) 05:08, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
Irish head of state from 1936 to 1949 has been nominated for deletion. Discussion is at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Irish head of state from 1936 to 1949. -- Scolaire ( talk) 08:53, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
Would anyone like to comment on Talk:Jonathan Sexton#Article/lede naming about the correct usage (or otherwise) of the term "Jonny/Johnny" in relation to the Lions fly half? thx Atlas-maker ( talk) 15:21, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
See the proposed structure here. Gets my vote. Laurel Lodged ( talk) 19:21, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
There's a difference of opinion on what the "county" name is, as a location for towns especially in Tipperary. A lot of articles have been changed to show that towns, villages, rivers, etc, are in South Tipperary and North Tipperary, rather than County Tipperary. One reason given is "Per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names)#Use modern names" - but "County Tipperary" isn't a "old" name by any means. That is the most commonly used name for that region, and it makes perfect sense to use it in articles. For example, a quick search on Google for a location, like Puckane, shows that nearly all pages use "Co. Tipperary" as the county. I know we've had similar discussions in the past but I can't find any - if someone can point to the past discussions I'd appreciate it. Others opinions are also welcome. I started reverting, but I've stopped that pending finding out if there was a consensus to make those changes. -- HighKing ( talk) 16:06, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
Could editors please cast a cold eye over this article and associated TP. Thanks. RashersTierney ( talk) 23:23, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
image:St-john-church-dublin-1884.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.79.6 ( talk) 06:17, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
File:Michael Collins at Arthur Griffith's funeral.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.79.6 ( talk) 02:16, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
See Overarching category structure discussion above. This is to advise that Brocach is flouting the overarching structure. He is adding "GAA clubs in County Foo" to the "Ireland" category. They already sit in the relevant Republic cateogry. See here. The rule is to diffuse to the lowest category (i.e. the RoI). Laurel Lodged ( talk) 23:48, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi,so Im looking for some fellow Irish feedback on the matter of county colours, I was trying to improve the county of Ireland article/s by the addition of de facto county colours, I agree their origin is from the GAA and their format varies, being de facto this will occur, for example the inclusion of the arms on top of the colours, as shown with their use in a totally non sporting context outside the government buildings at Dublin castle which is a very good reference for their ubiquitous usage today outside of sport
. All variants incorporate the same colours which is an important most of which are taken directly from those used on the official arms, they are used in the county context on other non-English Wikipedia sites for example you can see here http://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantilla:ComtatsIrlanda. Personally I see their constant usage alongside the European and Ireland flag at numerous buildings and non sporting events, do other irish users think it is factual or not to say that they have now far outgrown their origins and are considered synonymous with the counties as an entity today after such a long time as suggested in the following link [12] or that they still are constrained. Caomhan27 ( talk) 20:15, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
Ok no worries RA i'll take your word for it, I think everyone agrees there was/is no official county flags for example registered with the chief herald to begin with, so the munster rugby flag usurpation of the official munster flag would be an error but also would be a different situation entirely. The counties had no flag to begin with and have only ever competed to a huge country wide audience under the designed county GAA flags starting many years ago which is why they have become so popular and been adopted as county flags outside of the GAA events, I am not suggesting the are official in any way, merely that from every day experience in various counties they seem to have been adopted as de facto county flags and are used on other non English Wikipedia's as such, being used outside government buildings in Dublin castle shows the integration is quite extensive. Caomhan27 ( talk) 00:52, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
image:Sir-charles-cameron-dublin.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.79.6 ( talk) 00:38, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
I have nominated this featured article for FA review because my request on the article talk page for improvements has met with silence. The article seems to me to fall short on criteria 1b and 1c, and most seriously 2c: something like a third, possibly nearer a half, of the statements are uncited. Tim riley ( talk) 15:52, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
WP:IRE-CATS sets out WP Ireland's conclusions on category hierarchy. However, an experienced admin ( Jc37 ( talk · contribs)) has questioned whether these have sufficient support from the community. In particular, he closed this CFD as "Merge, but split out Northern Ireland", and has since insisted that there was a consensus to exclude Northern Ireland from the Ireland hierarchy. In contrast, I believe that the pertinent comments within that discussion were about the need for the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland to each have a separate sub-category.
Historical note: that CFD was about Category:People_by_city_in_Ireland. The "keep" comments favoured creating new sub-cats: Category:People by city in Northern Ireland and Category:People by city in the Republic of Ireland. However, the decision was to merge to Category:People by city or town in Ireland, and the corresponding Category:People by city or town in Northern Ireland already existed and so did not need to be created. By reasoning which I think is mistaken, the closer concluded that there was a consensus to take the latter out of the Ireland hierarchy, allowing navigation only by "see also" links.
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ireland/Ireland Category Norms lists some past discussions. Anyway, as this discussion on my talk page did not reach consensus, I am now seeking to use RFC to establish a consensus supporting WP:IRE-CATS. This seems more appropriate than the alternative of WP:DRV. – Fayenatic L ondon 07:53, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
I have proposed that Mac Diarmada railway station be moved to Sligo Mac Diarmada railway station. Discussion at Talk:Mac Diarmada railway station#Requested_move. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 10:20, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
image:Peadar Clancy.JPG has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 ( talk) 06:44, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
I have been informed that I should not be informing you of them, so I will stop. Though I will say that non-FFDs do not show up in the article alerts, and files are deleted in processes other than FFD (most of the notices posted on this page). If you wish the Article Alerts bot to function more efficiently with file deletions, you must categorize all files that you wish to be informed of FFDs on into a category tree that Article Alerts bot monitors (this hasn't been the case for most of the files so far posted) or must have the WikiProject banner attached (which isn't the case, since I have been informed that your project does not tag files, so this case does not activate Article Alerts bot, as there is no banner to monitor).
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-- 76.65.128.222 ( talk) 10:56, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
A request has been filed to move Abortion in the Republic of Ireland to Abortion in Ireland. It may be discussed at Wikipedia:Requested_moves. — O'Dea ( talk) 01:08, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
A Wikimeet is proposed for Northern Ireland in the next few months. If you have never been to one, this is an opportunity to meet other Wikipedians in an informal atmosphere for Wiki and non-Wiki related chat and for beer or food if you like. Most take place on a Sunday afternoon in a suitable pub but other days and locations can also work. Experienced and new contributors are all welcome. This event is definitely not restricted just to discussion of Northern Ireland topics. Please add your suggestions for place and date to the discussion page here: Proposed Northern Ireland Wiki Meetup. Philafrenzy ( talk) 22:05, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 May 14#Category:Gaelic Athletic Association All Star Awards. – Fayenatic L ondon 20:43, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
The Ireland-related rugby league articles are a bit of a mess. They all seem to have similar content, albeit often out of date, not current and conflicting. The articles include:
Anyone want to make some suggestions as to how they should be structured, merged and/or improved? Atlas-maker ( talk) 09:36, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
I've been trying to pin down the coordinates for Roscommon Racecourse, and have come up with a blank. Can anyone here please help pinpoint its coordinates, and add them to the article using a {{ coord}} tag? -- The Anome ( talk) 13:12, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
User:Tupolevjet has been reverting the consensus edits at various Counties of Ireland. This modern v. traditional issued was debated at length a while back, and a consensus was reached on the current intro. This user refuses to accept this, and is re-hashing the tired old "admin county or not a real county because it wasn't laid down by the Normans centuries ago" issue. Snappy ( talk) 21:48, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
To determine the copyright status of this photograph in its source country, we need to know when the photographer W. D. Hogan died. See this deletion request at Commons and this inquiry at WP:RX. Any help is appreciated. -- AFBorchert ( talk) 08:00, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
The Abbey Theatre article has been up for featured article review here for almost two months but no one has made any attempt to fix the problems, which are mainly missing citations, so it is likely to be demoted. The project has been losing some of the featured Irish articles in the last few years and not getting any replacements. Has anyone got the knowledge or inclination to try and save this one? ww2censor ( talk) 14:07, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
Non-notable Malahide housing estate listed for deletion. Discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Seabury. — O'Dea ( talk) 15:11, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
I reverted the addition of Dan (ancient city) to this article on an Irish county, and I was in turn reverted "Because even without any citations whatsoever, modern genetic andthe sheer volume of exact correlations speaks entirely in its own rite". Lots of Irish related edits by this new editor. Dougweller ( talk) 10:19, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
Same editor, this now may be a fork of List of High Kings of Ireland (which interestingly enough doesn't mention Righdamhna). Dougweller ( talk) 14:51, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
Hullo friends,
An editor has suggested that since it has not been possible to reach agreement at a point in dispute that we should request your learned input. See here. The question is: "how many dioceses are there - 1 or 2?" The answer to this question will determine the name for the Roman Catholic Diocese of Galway, Kilmacduagh and Kilfenora. I contend that there are two dioceses; the Diocese of Galway and Kilmacduagh and the still extant Diocese of Kilfenora. The history is a bit muddled as there were originally 3 dioceses that merged and de-merged and merged again over the centuries. In support of the contention, the page Bishop of Kilmacduagh and Kilfenora says: "Following the resignation of Bishop Patrick Fallon in 1866, John McEvilly, Bishop of Galway (later Archbishop of Tuam), was appointed Apostolic Administrator of both the dioceses of Kilmacduagh and Kilfenora. In 1883, the see of Kilmacduagh was united with Galway, and the bishops of the united see were also made permanently apostolic administrators of Kilfenora." So starting from a single diocese, Galway, you have administrators for the 2 other dioceses. Next Galway merges with Kilmacduagh. The administration of Kilfenora continues. There is no suggestion that a further merger with Kilfenora takes places. Kilfenora, therefore, is extant as a diocese, albeit that it shares an ordinary in the person of the Bishop of Galway and Kilmacduagh. The primary source is also muddled on the question, offering 3 different names. The secondary source seems clearer, and possibly more authoritative, on the question. The catholic hierarchy calls it the "Diocese of Galway and Kilmacduagh" and has a separate listing for the "Diocese of Kilfenora". Technically, the Pope is the Bishop Of Kilfenora and the Bishop of Galway and Kilmacduagh only administrates it on his behalf. Laurel Lodged ( talk) 19:06, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
Any takers then? Laurel Lodged ( talk) 19:03, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
A discussion (of some sort) is taking place at Talk:Direct Democracy Ireland#September 2013 - content dispute. All rational contributions are welcome. Snappy ( talk) 18:12, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
We have a category page for Irish people by century, which includes 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th century Irish people subcategories, and each of them have monarch subcategories. These are obviously spurious, as all the people in them are either entirely legendary, or at best undateable. All medieval and early modern attempts to put dates to pre-Christian Ireland are artificial and retrospective, differ significantly, and have been distorted by political propaganda. As far as I know the only Irish person whose existence can be dated prior to the 5th century is the petty king who was a guest of Agricola, and his name is not recorded. While the various dates given to kings in the various sources should be in their articles as that's valuable information about the traditions about them, I think all these categories prior to the 5th century should be deleted. Any thoughts? Nicknack009 ( talk) 20:32, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
Where is your proof that they are not historical figures,both the Scythian and Basque influx are backed up by modern Genetics, and any claims that these colonizations were some kind of migration and not preceded by military operations is not at all plausible taking into account the social and political environment of Ireland at the time,lets just accept that its is more probable than in probable that Lebor Gabála Érenn is accurate in its Recordings of the two ethnic influxes immediately preceding the Celts,and lets just accept that there is about 1500 Dolmens scattered throughout Ireland over the last 7000 years in which the skeletal Remains of Madmen,some hitting 7 foot tall buried with Crowns,gold and weaponary and bearing pre death healed skeletal wounds showing signs of almost perpetual Battle from an early age,is evidence that it is more probable than in probable that their existed Kings right throughout the history of Ireland-- Prestigiouzman ( talk) 11:13, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
Id say even the Orangutan from planet of the Apes would figure this one out, you know the one im talking about yea, the one who bounces out of the cave with d eyes dancin out of his head jacked up on the gear-- Prestigiouzman ( talk) 12:48, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi folks!,
Let me know if they are useful. Thank you. Miss Bono [zootalk] 16:27, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
Category:1st-century Irish people, and other categories regarding 1st-century->4th-century Irish figures, are within the scope of this WikiProject, and have been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the categories' entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 15:05, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
Does anyone have a photo? In ictu oculi ( talk) 04:01, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
Hullo Friends,
A few categories have been listed for renaming here per the scheme detailed in Category:Irish bishops talk page. Laurel Lodged ( talk) 17:03, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
I am making some changes to the article, including the infobox. It says that the colours of the school are Blue and Black. Can anybody find out what tone of blue and the Hex number? Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 15:19, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
A requested move has been opened at Talk:Timothy Michael Healy, to move it to Tim Healy, which is currently just a redirect to a dab page. Input would be appreciated. Scolaire ( talk) 11:18, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
I've tried to include sourced information where Garaidh has a diminutive form "Gary" and "Garry", but it keeps getting deleted. We are discussing it at talk:Gary (given name), I'd like to invite other people to provide input. -- 76.65.131.217 ( talk) 07:51, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
I have the nasty feeling that one user together with an (his?) IP is falsifying the articles Waterford and Limerick. The registered editor makes Limerick the biggest and oldest city in the country. Could someone keep an eye on this? The Banner talk 21:06, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
An RfC is open whether "Fórsaí Cosanta" should be included as an alternative Irish name for the Defence Forces. Personally, I have misgivings about the title of the RfC (which presupposed that "Fórsaí Cosanta" is a name of the Defence Forces). Nevertheless, views are invited on Talk:Defence Forces (Ireland). -- Tóraí ( talk) 12:28, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at the MOS TP relating to use of Oxford English in (inter alia) Ireland-related articles. See Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Oxford spelling on topics related to Britain and Ireland. RashersTierney ( talk) 12:33, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
Miss Bono and
myself have requested a portal peer review for
Portal:U2.
We would appreciate any helpful advice at
Wikipedia:Portal peer review/U2/archive1.
Thanks in advance and happy editing! –
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English_exonyms#Ireland. Can someone check this please. See also article Talk. Many thanks. In ictu oculi ( talk) 04:14, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
I started this article a while back from a stub, but haven't really gotten back to it. Does anyone want to take a crack? It's in need of some expert assistance.-- Obi-Wan Kenobi ( talk) 22:19, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
Could folks please check out and comment on the use of this image from its creator, Msriposte, on Kilmainham and/or Saint_Maighneann? Relevant discussion is primarily on the Kilmainham talk page (please comment there), but please also refer to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_154#Painting_removed and User_talk:I_JethroBT#Cill_Mhaighneann. Thanks, I, JethroBT drop me a line 00:11, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi. I've been updating this today, and wondered if episode 6 had actually aired yet. I couldn't find anything to indicate it had, so wondered if anyone can help. Thanks in advance, Paul MacDermott ( talk) 13:58, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
This article is rated Start-class on WikiProject:Biography, Start-class, Mid-importance on WikiProject:Ireland and unrated on WikiProjects Journalism and Economics. However this article is in need of a serious overhaul - I have listed some issues at Talk:David_McWilliams#Questionable_references, but there may be more issues that need fixing before it can reach higher ratings. Autarch ( talk) 00:38, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
I've asked a question at Wikipedia talk:Categorization of people#Defaultsort of Irish surnames starting Ó. jnestorius( talk) 13:13, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
Looking at Category:People stubs I found Roger O'Shaughnessy and Roger O'Shaughnessey adjacent, and looking at their articles I'm almost certain they're one man: death dates a year apart, wives of nearly the same name and parentage; forfeited estates on death. I don't know anything about Irish history, but have proposed a merge and am dropping this note on the talk pages of two editors who seem to be Irish specialists and have edited both pages in the past, and also here at the Irish Wikiproject. Over to you. Pam D 15:04, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
The article is in Category:Confidence tricksters which I'm not sure can be sustained. Can someone have a read and see if they agree? Atlas-maker ( talk) 13:41, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
Hello there! Could someone have a look at this submission? Regards, FoCuSandLeArN ( talk) 22:00, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
This could do with more references - there is only one given. Autarch ( talk) 02:51, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
Just added three WikiProjects to this - I know only the first applies to this project, but it hasn't been rated. Autarch ( talk) 02:32, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
I was wondering if anybody knew what happened to the Composition of Connacht page. Did it ever exist? Did anybody run off with it? __ E L A Q U E A T E 16:56, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
More Irish eyes on Iona Institute and related articles would be welcome considering the ongoing controversy. Some people seem to be denying there even is any controversy in Ireland at the moment, calling all that has occurred "just words"! IRWolfie- ( talk) 20:17, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
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Can anyone give me a good translation of this racehorse's name. Online translations give "Hooray Freedom", but as a non-Irish speaker I would like to check. Tigerboy1966 18:54, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
Hullo friends,
A rather interesting debate has opened here that may be of interest to the Project. Laurel Lodged ( talk) 20:29, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
Template:Infobox government cabinet has been nominated for merging with
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Hello, Ireland experts. Here's an abandoned Afc submission that wouldn't be hard to make into a stub article. Is this a notable building? Are the references reliable? — Anne Delong ( talk) 01:46, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
I have proposed that the article Anna Livia (monument) should be moved to a new title: Floozie in the Jacuzzi.
The discussion is at Talk:Anna Livia (monument)#Requested_move. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 11:55, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
Does anyone know anything about this topic? It has been tagged for references for 4 years but nothing has been added. ww2censor ( talk) 19:08, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
Some Irish input is desperately needed on here just now.-- MacRùsgail ( talk) 12:05, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
Could use some more eyes on this: Talk:Saint Patrick's Day#St. Patty's Day. - CorbieV ☊ 21:37, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
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I created an article on the topic here and linked to it from Portal:Current events/2014 March 25. As a current event, things are going to move fast. Autarch ( talk) 22:49, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
I've started the Martin Callinan article. Probably a lot more that can be added to it, though. Autarch ( talk) 02:39, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/John Wilson (Garda). FoCuSandLeArN ( talk) 00:12, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
I have just started a new article on Disappeared (Northern Ireland), which might be of interest to this WikiProject. Giant Snowman 18:42, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
I've created List of civil parishes of Ireland with the intent on cleaning up articles and making them consistent and starting the missing articles. I gather that in some counties, if not all, civil parishes are old fashioned and no longer really have any legitimacy even if they still exist formally. The Banner insists that hamlets or villages should NOT mention civil or religious parishes and that separate articles should be created. If this is the case, why do most of our articles on Irish towns and village say it is a civil parish as if it's still a legitimate rigid admin division like a municipality and the articles are organized with a places infoboxes and linked as a village? I personally see nothing wrong say xxx is a hamlet/village and historical civil parish in County Clare, Ireland. I think it's redundant to have separate articles and the history will inevitably be closed tied to the main settlement. All I want is some clarification on the issue and some idea of how I should proceed as I've been making an effort to clean up articles like Lahinch and create ones like Kilmoon and want to try to install some order and consistency in Irish place articles. A lot of them badly need sourcing and cleanup but if Banner is going to call everything I do creating a mess then I'm not prepared to work on them. What I want is to be able to proceed and for towns, villages and hamlets to be able to say in each articles xx is a village and historical civil parish and to solidly have them all in the same article with sources and everything organized nicely by nav boxes and consistent content and sourcing like Kilmoon. Most of them badly need cleanup and putting into some sort of order and I'm trying to help.♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:50, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
@ The Banner: There you have it. Consensus here dictates that villages and civil parishes should be in the same article and that as Laurel says clever editing means that in some cases it is possible to mention all in the same article. Unfortunately Banner you're continuing to operate against consensus and attempted to revert the good work Aymatth did here [14] [15] [16] . None of you support this approach and outlook then? Thanks for clarifying but I have a strong feeling this won't be the end of it. I'd appreciate any support and constructive assistance in progressing with improving coverage and quality of settlements. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:44, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
If a civil parish has enough information for its own article even as a stub then it could rightly have its own article as a distinct geographical unit. If there is nothing really on it and it shares the same name as a settlement in the civil parish, then just make mention of the parish in the lede. For example we have the article Desertmartin which is also the name of a civil parish, yet I created an article for it Desertmartin (parish) which is quite more than a stub. Magherafelt is a town and a civil parish yet the civil parish doesn't have an article just a mention in the lede. Common sense should apply. Mabuska (talk) 22:25, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
None of this research is new, at least not to me. Does it serve a point? Does it advance the Banner's argument by an iota? Laurel Lodged ( talk)
It is clear that there is a consensus on this question. It is also clear that the Banner disagrees with that consensus. It's time to wrap this up. Laurel Lodged ( talk) 20:32, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
See this diff on Doora. The effect is that the lead section does not summarize the body, which is more about the civil parish than the village. See Templemaley - "inactive civil parish". When were they ever "active"?. Any views on the right way to deal with this nuisance? It is a fairly trivial and arcane issue, but these actions seem insulting and disruptive to me. Aymatth2 ( talk) 11:51, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
Unacceptable. This is not what was agreed above. Stating is an "inactive civil parish" looks like original research.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:03, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
Sadly I think the refusal to accept the consensus—and we are a consensus-driven project at the end of the day—is pushing this issue towards some sort of penalty here. - SchroCat ( talk) 13:57, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
If one editor refuses to accept consensus, and is making disruptive edits, it should be taken to AN/I. Scolaire ( talk) 17:52, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
WP:Arbitration more like. If Banner reverts one more time I think it'll be time to start proceedings against him.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:50, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
Reverted again within minutes. @ Laurel Lodged: do you want to start proceedings at arb or shall I? I'm sure Aymatth and myself can find enough evidence of his disruption.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:59, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
Laurel Lodged ( talk) 09:38, 29 March 2014 (UTC)" And be it enacted, That it shall be lawful for the Board of Guardians of every Union, within One Month after the annual Election of Guardians, to appoint a fit Person in each Parish or Townland, or any Part thereof respectively, included in such Union, to be and be styled the Warden for such Parish, Townland, or Part thereof, and such Warden shall hold his Office for One Year, and may be re-appointed thereto, and shall provide for the Conveyance to the Workhouse of any such destitute poor Persons within such Parish, Townland, or Part thereof, as the Guardians shall direct, and shall perform such other Duties in relation to the Purposes of this Act as the Orders of the Commissioners shall prescribe; and shall, when required by the Guardians, attend the Meetings of their Board, and report to them from Time to Time the State of the Poor within such Parish, Townland, or Part thereof, and the Increase or Diminution of Mendicancy therein, and such other Particulars in relation to the Condition of such Parish, Townland, or Part thereof, as he may think fit, or as the Board of Guardians shall require."
Banner's been blocked for a week for disruption. I'd say Aymatth/Laura feel free to edit the Doora article. The thing is can see Banner's point about civil parishes being a redundant organization today but what concerns me is that he ignores reliable sources which prove there is a civil parish of the same name based on what he thinks is right. I have no problem with writing in the article or a footnote on civil parish saying although not formally abolished they're rarely used today, but what bothers me is that he's trying to hide any mention of them which given the sources is wrong. As Laura says with clever editing you can mention all in the same articles and not introduce "errors" as Banner calls it. Doora is a civil parish, even if it is ignored today in every day life, or at least had significance historically which should be documented on wikipedia. I don't see any evidence that Poor Law Union fully overrode civil parish, and at present I'd say it is more problematic as it misleads editors.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:11, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
@ Aymatth2: Yeah "Foo is a village and civil parish in County Foo, Ireland. It is also a parish in the Roman Catholic Diocese of Foo." so long as you link civil parish to the article which explains it is not formally abolished but rarely used today would explain it without justification in the main article.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:29, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
Agreed, and exceptionally well done. Article is crystal clear and proves you can cover all in the same article without introducing "errors".♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:53, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
Guys, if there is not currently a dispute, I don't think there's any need for a daily update on article edits. I presume that anybody interested in those articles has them on their watchlist anyway. Scolaire ( talk) 10:21, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
Best some of these articles have looked in years.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:20, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
The Banner's time on gardening leave has not been spent fruitfully. He is back to his old ways of defying this clear consensus. I merged the contents of two Kilmurry Ibrickane (Civil parish) articles into a single article, as advised above, and send the other to AFD discussion. The Banner has reverted it and declared it to be an act of vandalism. What's to be done with him? Another temporary ban? More severe displinary action? You may wish to contribute here also. @ Aymatth2:, @ Scolaire:, @ Dr. Blofeld:, @ Mabuska: Laurel Lodged ( talk) 19:03, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
HJ appears to have blocked him indefinitely until he agrees to stop the warfare.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:27, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
As far as I can see from earlier discussion we are in full agreement except for Banner than it is feasible to cover both types of parishes and village in the same article with clever editing, although if there is a wealth of info available then it is possible to have a separate article on RC parish. However, I think how to format it warrants further discussion. Laurel I notice your edits on Kilfarboy here. It seems a bit strange to me to sub section history under civil parish. In the broader sense I think Aymatth's layout with Location and History as main sections are more in line with general guidelines on here. However, I noticed a few comments at ANI from editors who said Aymatth's layout was confusing them. Can we come to an agreement on the best way to format the articles? ♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:17, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Would anyone here, especially if they are in the vicinity of Dublin, be interested in helping some historians improve Wikipedia articles related to the Battle of Clontarf? We have been asked at the London office if we can help find some experienced Wikipedians for a possible editathon in Dublin on the 19th April as part of the thousand year anniversary of the battle. If any of you haven't been on an editathon yet they are usually good fun and a great opportunity to work with subject experts. Obviously I'm conscious that this is short notice, and more importantly it is your jurisdiction not ours - but we would be happy to support such an event at any level that you are happy with, from posting a pack of cheatsheets and similar bumph to putting in the geo notice and helping draft an event page. Regards Jonathan Cardy (WMUK) ( talk) 15:52, 6 April 2014 (UTC) AKA WereSpielChequers
Heretofore, the Irish grid reference
parameter in
Infobox settlement templates in Irish settlement articles linked to a map at the British Ordnance Survey website, showing a map of the location. This functionality appears to have been lost as the link now takes one to the website home page. This renders all these infobox grid reference parameters defunct. Can the functionality be restored by reprogramming the
iem4ibx template which drives this mechanism, or has the British website simply dropped support for Irish location inquiries?
— O'Dea (
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A discussion is taking place in whether the article currently entitled 1981 Irish hunger strike should be renamed.
The discussion is at Talk:1981 Irish hunger strike#Requested_move, where your input will be welcome. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 21:25, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
Hello. I created an article on the History of the Irish in Boston. It needs to be expanded a lot, but I'm not the most knowledgeable about the subject. Is there anyone who would be interested in improving the article? Thank you. Solar-Wind ( talk) 08:51, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
More input would be great for discussing this article Murder of Gordan Gallagher. Fergananim ( talk) 21:17, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
I've made a very basic start with John Bowe (Irish financier) but would welcome help from any editor more familiar with the business. Is mise, Fergananim ( talk) 14:10, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
Belfast was reviewed and listed as a Good Article in March 2007, and last reassessed in Sept 2007. It has been tagged with sourcing concerns since August 2008. I have done a GAR, and I feel that the article doesn't meet current GA criteria. The main contributors have been notified, though are unavailable or not able to do the work at the moment, and there has been no progress. Following the guidelines at Wikipedia:Good article reassessment, interested WikiProjects are being contacted as editing assistance may be needed to prevent the article being delisted. See Talk:Belfast/GA1 for more details. SilkTork ✔Tea time 21:56, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
Please direct your attention to Talk:Ian_Gow#The_fully-protected_car_.28or_its_absence.29, where the question is whether the make of Ian Gow's car (the one he got blown up in) is relevant enough to warrant inclusion in the article. There's an ongoing dispute, going on for over three years, and an RfC (that is, you) might could help settle that. Thanks in advance, Drmies ( talk) 14:47, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
Editors are invited to participate in a discussion taking place at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ireland Collaboration#.22Republic of Ireland.22 de-capitalisation in running text. All input welcome. Thank you. walk victor falk talk 16:21, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
Category:Irish Sinn Féin politicians, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for renaming to Category:Sinn Féin politicians (1905–1926). If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 16:51, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
This move is being discussed at the relevant talkpage. Murry1975 ( talk) 22:34, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
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An editor has decided to create new categories using the administarive county borders and has set about changing the location of numerous areas including Oldbawn and Saggart [1]. Just said I would inform everyone. Finnegas ( talk) 12:41, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
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Foulksrath Castle needs some independent eyes and probably some research.... Regards, Ariconte ( talk) 10:11, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
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FYI. There is a discussion taking place at Talk:International System of Units/Archives/02/2013#Ireland and South Africa about whether 1960s metrication in Ireland should be covered in a section called simply "United Kingdom and the Commonwealth", or whether the more inclusive title "United Kingdom, Ireland, South Africa and Commonwealth of Nations", or similar, should be used. It is in the International System of Units article. 212.183.128.211 ( talk) 23:02, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
See Template talk:Dublin_clubs#Requested_move, where I have opened a requested moves discussion on the 35 navigational box templates in Category:Gaelic Athletic Association club navigational boxes.
These templates all fall within the scope of WikiProject Ireland and WikiProject Gaelic games, and some of them fall within the scope of WikiProject Northern Ireland. I will therefore place the same notification on each project's talk page. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 12:56, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
Should modern counties or the traditional 32 counties be used when categorising Ireland related categories? What is your opinion? Consensus has already been gained on GAA articles that the traditional 32 be used Finnegas ( talk) 19:51, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
As I said I would to Brocach the last day I was active, I have brought this issue to a board of peers, though Scolaire sort of beat me to it in a way.
Having failed with trying to have the County Londonderry categories deleted and replaced with County Derry ones for GAA articles amongst other back-door attempts to bypass IMoS, Brocach recently went about amending see also links for almost all Derry GAA club articles. Whilst he was correct to fix the link, i.e. "List of Gaelic Athletic Association clubs#Derry" to "List_of_Gaelic_games_clubs_in_Ireland#Derry" [2], [3], he also added the #Derry to other articles for example: [4] and [5].
Due to the potential IMoS violation ( [6] - using the Lissan GAC article as the general example) I amended the links further by adding "GAA" after Derry to give: "List_of_Gaelic_games_clubs_in_Ireland#Derry GAA". For this hash link to work I also modified the actual article by removing the pipe-link for all the County GAA's so that it would state "Derry GAA" etc. Brocach reverted all changes, citing no need for the article to state GAA after each county board as "GAA county" is stated at the top of the article. As well citing that there is no need for it as IMoS backs it. Note that IMoS only states "usually be abbreviated to", not that it must be:
Use Derry for the city and County Londonderry for the county in articles. Where an entity uses a particular name, regardless of whether it is Derry or Londonderry, use that name for the entity; thus County Derry Post (newspaper), High Sheriff of County Londonderry, former Derry Central Railway, North West Liberties of Londonderry, and Derry GAA (which will usually be abbreviated to Derry).
Secondly I noticed the following IMoS violating template: Template:Derry clubs. I moved the article to Template:Derry GAA clubs. I then amended all attached articles to match. Brocach reverted all of these changes too with no apparent reason given.
Seeing as the whole situation is a mess of IMoS violation or potential IMoS violation I propose the following:
In my view these are a very reasonable set of proposals to clarify what is actually being referred to and to fix the IMoS violations and potential violations. Mabuska (talk) 18:06, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Before proceeding further, can you please specify which guideline in IMOS is being violated or potentially violated, and how? Scolaire ( talk) 23:23, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Meanwhile, can anybody specify which guideline in IMOS is being violated or potentially violated, and how? Scolaire ( talk) 22:41, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
The proposal begins "Seeing as the whole situation is a mess of IMoS violation or potential IMoS violation". What does this mean? It's a simple question. Scolaire ( talk) 08:15, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
I agree with Laurel's comment. Acting dumb in a clear attempt at stone-walling the issue along with failing to provide an actual proper reason for objecting to the proposals. How?...
Simple? Or are you going to continue playing the "I don't know, I don't see the problem" card? Mabuska (talk) 10:57, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
Please remain civil. I am neither dumb nor playing dumb. I am not playing card games or any other games. I am not attempting to stonewall any issue; I merely asked a civil question in the interests of helping the discussion along. The comment about POV-pushing was ill-advised, and I have withdrawn it. I hope you feel my detailed reasons for opposing three of the four proposals are clearer. However, my basic question is the same, and I feel that it remains unanswered: how can following IMOS guidelines be a violation of IMOS? If IMOS ackowledges that there are exceptions to the rule, and specifies that "Derry GAA", abbreviated to "Derry" is one of those exceptions (and I added that bit after a lengthy discussion, with no objections at the time), then how can anybody violate IMOS by following that guideline? Scolaire ( talk) 15:25, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
What in IMOS is being violated and how? If the answer is so obvious, why on earth can you not say it straight? Scolaire ( talk) 00:14, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
@Scolaire - no-one else seemed to misunderstand the "badly worded" proposal so far. @Brocach - actually the IMoS discussion page is where this should of been put, not here or at the GAA project page. Obviously you would agree to the problem you added into the IMoS - made worse by Scolaire rewording it to make it more vague. Scolaire can go on about what is being violated in IMoS when their editing of your addition created his vindication for stating "what's wrong?" whilst also creating the vagueness and lack of clarity in it that is at present being abused to vindicate the usage of "Derry" in a non-context manner giving the impression that it represents the name of the county rather than simply a GAA county board.
There is obviously no consensus for Brocach's addition and Scolaire's rewording of it seeing as so far 4 out of 6 editors back change (yes too small a sample for even a rough consensus) - so a simpler solution might be to propose removing it altogether - but clarity would be a better way to move forward, hence proposal 4.
Oh yes Scolaire, it is generally accepted that if you edit a comment you've already made and have already had responses to, that you don't edit it afterwards but make a new comment after it. Mabuska (talk) 22:17, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
Laurel Lodged I'd have much greater sympathy if you where consistent in your position and ensured consistency after your proposals. Your move of Category:Tipperary GAA hurlers I supported but now we have one category out of 100's with an odd name, do you plan to clean up Category:Gaelic games players by sport ?
You've moved some county competition articles but not all , why?
Why is Derry being singled out ? Will a consensus here be used to do that same for Dublin GAA next week?
Why have you bi-passed WP:GAA ? Gnevin ( talk) 11:24, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
As some editors have an issue with proposals 2 and 3, I will suggest alternatives that may meet those concerns:
Mabuska (talk) 11:42, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
Oppose: It gets rather confusing when someone offers four proposals, all unnecessary, to address a non-existent violation of IMoS; refuses to identify what part of IMoS is being violated; then makes a "counter-proposal" to his own four proposals, consisting of two equally uncalled for changes. Brocach ( talk) 21:03, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
Oppose per Brocach. IMOS cannot violate IMOS, therefore the original proposals were pointless, and modifying them is equally pointless. Scolaire ( talk) 23:39, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
Contrary to Scolaire's continued insistence the IMoS is actually being violated and willfully so: the IMoS states that Derry GAA will be usually abbreviated to [[Derry GAA|Derry]] - how is this met with Brocach's hash article links? Just to remind everyone this is what they are using: List of Gaelic games clubs in Ireland#Derry - how does this meet the IMoS? How does this avoid confusing the GAA county for the city or the county of Londonderry? It doesn't. Opposing the addition of "GAA" to the end of the link which is clearly violating IMoS shows that the opposition from Brocach and Scolaire has more to do with POV pushing than anything else.
Scolaire can ignore the obvious fact that several editors agree with my proposals, which clearly shows that there is a problem with what is currently in the IMoS despite what they might try to claim. Maybe they don't want to admit their rewording has got it wrong, maybe they want to ensure the ambiguity remains so that it can be abused, who knows. The counter-proposals I suggested met Scolaire's secondary reasons for objecting (seeing as his original reason was a blunt oppose), and as I suspected he would, he opposed them too. Going by his recent crack-up on my talk page where he decided to totally over-react to a simple comment on etiquette, they have decided to have no further part in this discussion! As was clear to me from the start, Scolaire's opposition is based on a desire to ensure this problem remains in the IMoS regardless of what is proposed.
Like it or not Scolaire, I have identified a problem that arose out of your tinkering with the IMoS and 3 other editors agree with me - so the problem is real. Mabuska (talk) 19:37, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
Please note that an attempt to move this towards consensus has begun here. Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 00:18, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
Seeing as this issue was leap-frogged by the GAA in general issue, I would like Kim Dent-Brown to clarify that proposal 1 should be implemented as it has 5 supports, 1 oppose and 1 who doesn't really care where it's at, so I'd call that a consensus for proposal 1, whilst the rest are obviously irrelevant now. Mabuska (talk) 22:16, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
An editor has requested comment at WT:MOS which may affect the way some biographical articles within the scope of this Wikiproject are styled. The discussion is at WT:MOS#Translation of patronymics. Daicaregos ( talk) 11:18, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
There is an active RFC
here at
Talk:Limerick Pogrom that could use your participation! Appreciate it, cheers...
Zad
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14:19, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
There is an active RFC here at Talk:Michael_Gambon. Input and feedback is welcome. ÓCorcráin ( talk) 20:56, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
File:Irish bacon.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.92.180.137 ( talk) 02:02, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
Category:1900 in Northern Ireland and 19 other YYYY in Northern Ireland categories, which are within the scope of this WikiProject, have been nominated for possible deletion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you.. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 09:42, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
I've recently been expanding the Ulster loyalism article. As part of this, I added a section on collusion with the security forces. However, one editor has removed it several times. We have been discussing it on the talkpage but with only two editors involved the discussion is going nowhere. We need input from other editors. ~Asarlaí 14:43, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
Category:1883–84 in Irish rugby union and 104 other similar categories, which are all within the scope of this WikiProject, have been nominated for merger to parent categories. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 12:38, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
image:FingalCrest.png has been nominated for speedy deletion -- 70.24.250.103 ( talk) 05:10, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
I have proposed that a series for categories within the scope of this WikiProject shoukd be merged to their parent categories. The categories are:
The discussion is at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 April 12#Sportspeople_from_Irish_suburbs_and_towns. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 16:10, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
One editor, User:Laurel Lodged, who has a long history of controversial edits in relation to the modern administrative counties, has recently recommenced edits that seek, for example, to identify Irish sportspeople as being "from" the modern administrative county that they would have been born in had they been born many years later. The rugby player Cecil Boyd, for example, who was born in County Dublin 119 years before Fingal was created, has been designated by Laurel Lodged as being "from Fingal". Does anyone out there support this anachronistic rewriting of Irish articles? Brocach ( talk) 22:22, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
{{
subst:cfm|categ-to-be-merged-to}}
). If there is a consensus to do, then a bot will perform the recategorisation .... and if there is not a consensus to do so, then a the category will stay.I rarely agree with Obiwankenobi, but on this occasion he gets it in a nutshell: "always diffuse to the most precise modern-day geographical category".
I want to set out at greater length why there are lots of good reasons for this:
This gives us two choices: a) split up all geographical categories so that we can categorise according to the names applied at the time, or b) accept the anachronism and keep the categories unified.
The consistent practice has been that we keep the categories unified, and accept the anachronism. For example, 19th-century ppl from Queen's County are categorised as Category:People from County Laois, even tho it was not called that in their lifetimes. Same for Birr: we have Category:People from Birr, County Offaly but not Category:People from Parsonstown. Same too for Port Laoise: we have Category:People from Portlaoise, but not Category:People from Maryborough. Same again for Dún Laoghaire: we have Category:People from Dún Laoghaire, but not Category:People from Kingstown, Dublin. (There should be {{ category redirect}}s for those names).
The alternative would disrupt navigation (which per WP:CAT#Overview is the main purpose of categories). The people concerned were all from the same area, so we categorise them together because they come from the same place rather than because they come from a place which was consistently named.
See
Counties of Ireland#History for how they were created in various stages between the Norman conquest and the Elizabethan era, with a further few (
County Wicklow and
County Londonderry) at the start of the 17th century. Along the way, Connacht changed from being a county to a province, and several counties came and went: for example
County Desmond,
Nether Tyrone and
Upper Tyrone as well as several counties of the Earldom of Ulster:
Coulrath/Coleraine,
Blathewyc,
Cragferus,
del Art,
Dun (also known as
Ladcathel), and
Twescard.
The
Local Government (Ireland) Act 1898 didn't abolish any counties, but it did revise the boundaries of Counties
Galway,
Clare,
Mayo,
Roscommon,
Sligo,
Waterford,
Kilkenny,
Meath and
Louth, and others.
So far as I can see it would be a huge and sprawling mess of confusion, with a mass of categories for each area depending on which era we were talking about. Even if someone was masochistic enough to try devising such a structure, that's only the start of the problem. How on earth are editors going to populate these categories without access to a detailed set of historical county maps, which show all the enclaves and exclaves which used to exist? Many editors will never have heard of these former counties or be aware of the boundary changes. To take just one example, how many editors know where the boundary between Counties Dublin and Carlow was before County Wicklow was carved out of them in 1606?
As a simple example, consider Glendalough. It's still much the same place as it was 900 years ago: valley, lakes, monastic ruins, etc. Since then it has seen roads and new houses, changes to field patterns and afforestation, but it's still the same place. It's a complete nonsense to say that at any given point in that history, the place didn't exist. It has existed throughout the last 1000 years and more.
All that has changed is the label we attach to the wider area around Glendalough: it was part of the Kingdom of Lenister until the era of King John, then part of County Dublin until 1606, when it became part of the new County Wicklow. Same place, packaged differently.
Or take, Daingean. Whether we call it Philipstown, King's County or "Daingean, County Offaly", it's the same place.
That's the thing about the county names; they are just labels for places. The text of articles should use the historically appropriate terminology for that topic. But for categories, which cover a wide range of topics, why not just use the most up-to-date labelling system? It's clearly defined, unambiguous, and easily checked against current maps. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 08:25, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
file:DermO'N.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 70.24.250.103 ( talk) 03:51, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
Category:People by city in Ireland, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for merger. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 10:33, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
Category:Gaelic football players and 13 of its subcategories, most of which are within the scope of this WikiProject, have been nominated for renaming to "Gaelic footballers". If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 14:44, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
Category:Sport in Portarlington, County Laois, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for merger. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 07:56, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
Limerick have been moved to Limerick (Ireland) by user:Red Slash, without any discussion taking place on the talk page of Limerick or here. There have been several discussions over the years and none of them established a consensus for a move. Snappy ( talk) 18:05, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
Category:Athletes from Ireland, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for deletion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Laurel Lodged ( talk) 21:15, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
We currently have a disambiguation page at Great Britain and Ireland and an article at UK & Ireland that have virtually identical content. Several similar terms redirect to either one of those targets or British Isles. At Talk:Great Britain and Ireland#Merge proposal I have proposed merging the article and dab page (with no preference to direction) and retargetting all the redirects to the merged page. Your comments on the proposal would be welcome. Thryduulf ( talk) 18:49, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
I have requested that Lebor Gabála Érenn be moved to Book of Invasions as per WP:ENGLISH. I'm hoping this won't be a contentious issue however I'm playing it safe and following the WP:RM/CM process just in case. I've posted a notification here just to give it a fair exposure however please discuss the move at the actual request. -- Jamie u t 11:06, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at
Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2013_April_15#Irish_national_media.
Obi-Wan Kenobi (
talk)
01:06, 29 April 2013 (UTC) comments welcome.
Please contribute at Talk:Flag of Northern Ireland#RfC: Should the Flag of Northern Ireland article show the flag of Ireland?.The poll is not conclusive one way or the other so extra input would be appreciated. Dmcq ( talk) 11:18, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
See: Talk:Limerick#Requested move 2013 for the proposal and discussion. The Banner talk 12:28, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
Category:1971 All Star (hurling) and 24 other similar categories, all of which are within the scope of this WikiProject, have been nominated by me for merger or deletion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 12:35, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
See here. Apparently someone has decided that novels written by Irish people are not Irish enough. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.40.102.45 ( talk) 15:54, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
File:TUhawkins.jpg and File:TUNewell.jpg and File:TUStephConstr.jpg have been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.76.126 ( talk) 06:16, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
When I first came across the Black Irish article last year it seemed to be a perfect example of an article that had lost the run of itself. It was an eclectic mish-mash of Fir Bolg, Tuatha Dé Danann, Spanish armada, Basques, genetic markers, and anything else that could be used to show why some Irish people had black hair and blue eyes and not red hair and freckles. After reading the opinions on the Talk page of the article, I proposed on 19 March that, due to lack of citations, original research, primary sources, and what appears to be coat-racking, the article needed to be radically pruned - in fact back to the lede. I left the proposal there for six weeks and received only one response, which was in favour. On 7 May I wrote on the Talk page that, if no-one objected, I would carry out the pruning. No-one objected. So I pruned. Now a new editor has arrived on the scene, reverted my edit, and we're back to square one, laying the groundwork for a fresh series of half-baked theories. Would anyone here be interested in contributing their thoughts on this? Hohenloh + 00:53, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
Just a heads-up if anyone wants to review this submission. FoCuSandLeArN ( talk) 23:46, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
File:St. Pius X school crest.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.76.126 ( talk) 06:39, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
This page [ [9]] was redirected to [ [10]] without notifying anyone or getting consensus by [ [11]]. Is he allowed to do that without consensus and if not how does one undo a redirect? ÓCorcráin ( talk) 14:02, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
image:George Edward Nurse VC.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.76.126 ( talk) 08:16, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
A content dispute has broken out at Direct Democracy Ireland, please join in the discussion at Talk:Direct Democracy Ireland. Rgds, Snappy ( talk) 13:15, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
The map used on the 18 articles about the various NI constituencies is 3 years out of date, being a map of the constituencies as they were from 2005-2010 e.g. at Lagan_Valley_(UK_Parliament_constituency) anyone able to fix? Valenciano ( talk) 20:03, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
Comment would be welcome here on what category names should be used for the Members of Parliament who sat at Westminster during the Commonwealth of England, Scotland and Ireland in the 1650s. Thanks. Opera hat ( talk) 20:27, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
At Category talk:Irish bishops#Reorganisation necessary I have proposed a reorganisation of the articles and subcategories of Category:Irish bishops. Comments there are welcome. jnestorius( talk) 11:02, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
File:SouthTipperaryCrest.png has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.79.6 ( talk) 05:08, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
Irish head of state from 1936 to 1949 has been nominated for deletion. Discussion is at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Irish head of state from 1936 to 1949. -- Scolaire ( talk) 08:53, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
Would anyone like to comment on Talk:Jonathan Sexton#Article/lede naming about the correct usage (or otherwise) of the term "Jonny/Johnny" in relation to the Lions fly half? thx Atlas-maker ( talk) 15:21, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
See the proposed structure here. Gets my vote. Laurel Lodged ( talk) 19:21, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
There's a difference of opinion on what the "county" name is, as a location for towns especially in Tipperary. A lot of articles have been changed to show that towns, villages, rivers, etc, are in South Tipperary and North Tipperary, rather than County Tipperary. One reason given is "Per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names)#Use modern names" - but "County Tipperary" isn't a "old" name by any means. That is the most commonly used name for that region, and it makes perfect sense to use it in articles. For example, a quick search on Google for a location, like Puckane, shows that nearly all pages use "Co. Tipperary" as the county. I know we've had similar discussions in the past but I can't find any - if someone can point to the past discussions I'd appreciate it. Others opinions are also welcome. I started reverting, but I've stopped that pending finding out if there was a consensus to make those changes. -- HighKing ( talk) 16:06, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
Could editors please cast a cold eye over this article and associated TP. Thanks. RashersTierney ( talk) 23:23, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
image:St-john-church-dublin-1884.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.79.6 ( talk) 06:17, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
File:Michael Collins at Arthur Griffith's funeral.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.79.6 ( talk) 02:16, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
See Overarching category structure discussion above. This is to advise that Brocach is flouting the overarching structure. He is adding "GAA clubs in County Foo" to the "Ireland" category. They already sit in the relevant Republic cateogry. See here. The rule is to diffuse to the lowest category (i.e. the RoI). Laurel Lodged ( talk) 23:48, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi,so Im looking for some fellow Irish feedback on the matter of county colours, I was trying to improve the county of Ireland article/s by the addition of de facto county colours, I agree their origin is from the GAA and their format varies, being de facto this will occur, for example the inclusion of the arms on top of the colours, as shown with their use in a totally non sporting context outside the government buildings at Dublin castle which is a very good reference for their ubiquitous usage today outside of sport
. All variants incorporate the same colours which is an important most of which are taken directly from those used on the official arms, they are used in the county context on other non-English Wikipedia sites for example you can see here http://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantilla:ComtatsIrlanda. Personally I see their constant usage alongside the European and Ireland flag at numerous buildings and non sporting events, do other irish users think it is factual or not to say that they have now far outgrown their origins and are considered synonymous with the counties as an entity today after such a long time as suggested in the following link [12] or that they still are constrained. Caomhan27 ( talk) 20:15, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
Ok no worries RA i'll take your word for it, I think everyone agrees there was/is no official county flags for example registered with the chief herald to begin with, so the munster rugby flag usurpation of the official munster flag would be an error but also would be a different situation entirely. The counties had no flag to begin with and have only ever competed to a huge country wide audience under the designed county GAA flags starting many years ago which is why they have become so popular and been adopted as county flags outside of the GAA events, I am not suggesting the are official in any way, merely that from every day experience in various counties they seem to have been adopted as de facto county flags and are used on other non English Wikipedia's as such, being used outside government buildings in Dublin castle shows the integration is quite extensive. Caomhan27 ( talk) 00:52, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
image:Sir-charles-cameron-dublin.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.79.6 ( talk) 00:38, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
I have nominated this featured article for FA review because my request on the article talk page for improvements has met with silence. The article seems to me to fall short on criteria 1b and 1c, and most seriously 2c: something like a third, possibly nearer a half, of the statements are uncited. Tim riley ( talk) 15:52, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
WP:IRE-CATS sets out WP Ireland's conclusions on category hierarchy. However, an experienced admin ( Jc37 ( talk · contribs)) has questioned whether these have sufficient support from the community. In particular, he closed this CFD as "Merge, but split out Northern Ireland", and has since insisted that there was a consensus to exclude Northern Ireland from the Ireland hierarchy. In contrast, I believe that the pertinent comments within that discussion were about the need for the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland to each have a separate sub-category.
Historical note: that CFD was about Category:People_by_city_in_Ireland. The "keep" comments favoured creating new sub-cats: Category:People by city in Northern Ireland and Category:People by city in the Republic of Ireland. However, the decision was to merge to Category:People by city or town in Ireland, and the corresponding Category:People by city or town in Northern Ireland already existed and so did not need to be created. By reasoning which I think is mistaken, the closer concluded that there was a consensus to take the latter out of the Ireland hierarchy, allowing navigation only by "see also" links.
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ireland/Ireland Category Norms lists some past discussions. Anyway, as this discussion on my talk page did not reach consensus, I am now seeking to use RFC to establish a consensus supporting WP:IRE-CATS. This seems more appropriate than the alternative of WP:DRV. – Fayenatic L ondon 07:53, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
I have proposed that Mac Diarmada railway station be moved to Sligo Mac Diarmada railway station. Discussion at Talk:Mac Diarmada railway station#Requested_move. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 10:20, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
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A request has been filed to move Abortion in the Republic of Ireland to Abortion in Ireland. It may be discussed at Wikipedia:Requested_moves. — O'Dea ( talk) 01:08, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
A Wikimeet is proposed for Northern Ireland in the next few months. If you have never been to one, this is an opportunity to meet other Wikipedians in an informal atmosphere for Wiki and non-Wiki related chat and for beer or food if you like. Most take place on a Sunday afternoon in a suitable pub but other days and locations can also work. Experienced and new contributors are all welcome. This event is definitely not restricted just to discussion of Northern Ireland topics. Please add your suggestions for place and date to the discussion page here: Proposed Northern Ireland Wiki Meetup. Philafrenzy ( talk) 22:05, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 May 14#Category:Gaelic Athletic Association All Star Awards. – Fayenatic L ondon 20:43, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
The Ireland-related rugby league articles are a bit of a mess. They all seem to have similar content, albeit often out of date, not current and conflicting. The articles include:
Anyone want to make some suggestions as to how they should be structured, merged and/or improved? Atlas-maker ( talk) 09:36, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
I've been trying to pin down the coordinates for Roscommon Racecourse, and have come up with a blank. Can anyone here please help pinpoint its coordinates, and add them to the article using a {{ coord}} tag? -- The Anome ( talk) 13:12, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
User:Tupolevjet has been reverting the consensus edits at various Counties of Ireland. This modern v. traditional issued was debated at length a while back, and a consensus was reached on the current intro. This user refuses to accept this, and is re-hashing the tired old "admin county or not a real county because it wasn't laid down by the Normans centuries ago" issue. Snappy ( talk) 21:48, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
To determine the copyright status of this photograph in its source country, we need to know when the photographer W. D. Hogan died. See this deletion request at Commons and this inquiry at WP:RX. Any help is appreciated. -- AFBorchert ( talk) 08:00, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
The Abbey Theatre article has been up for featured article review here for almost two months but no one has made any attempt to fix the problems, which are mainly missing citations, so it is likely to be demoted. The project has been losing some of the featured Irish articles in the last few years and not getting any replacements. Has anyone got the knowledge or inclination to try and save this one? ww2censor ( talk) 14:07, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
Non-notable Malahide housing estate listed for deletion. Discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Seabury. — O'Dea ( talk) 15:11, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
I reverted the addition of Dan (ancient city) to this article on an Irish county, and I was in turn reverted "Because even without any citations whatsoever, modern genetic andthe sheer volume of exact correlations speaks entirely in its own rite". Lots of Irish related edits by this new editor. Dougweller ( talk) 10:19, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
Same editor, this now may be a fork of List of High Kings of Ireland (which interestingly enough doesn't mention Righdamhna). Dougweller ( talk) 14:51, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
Hullo friends,
An editor has suggested that since it has not been possible to reach agreement at a point in dispute that we should request your learned input. See here. The question is: "how many dioceses are there - 1 or 2?" The answer to this question will determine the name for the Roman Catholic Diocese of Galway, Kilmacduagh and Kilfenora. I contend that there are two dioceses; the Diocese of Galway and Kilmacduagh and the still extant Diocese of Kilfenora. The history is a bit muddled as there were originally 3 dioceses that merged and de-merged and merged again over the centuries. In support of the contention, the page Bishop of Kilmacduagh and Kilfenora says: "Following the resignation of Bishop Patrick Fallon in 1866, John McEvilly, Bishop of Galway (later Archbishop of Tuam), was appointed Apostolic Administrator of both the dioceses of Kilmacduagh and Kilfenora. In 1883, the see of Kilmacduagh was united with Galway, and the bishops of the united see were also made permanently apostolic administrators of Kilfenora." So starting from a single diocese, Galway, you have administrators for the 2 other dioceses. Next Galway merges with Kilmacduagh. The administration of Kilfenora continues. There is no suggestion that a further merger with Kilfenora takes places. Kilfenora, therefore, is extant as a diocese, albeit that it shares an ordinary in the person of the Bishop of Galway and Kilmacduagh. The primary source is also muddled on the question, offering 3 different names. The secondary source seems clearer, and possibly more authoritative, on the question. The catholic hierarchy calls it the "Diocese of Galway and Kilmacduagh" and has a separate listing for the "Diocese of Kilfenora". Technically, the Pope is the Bishop Of Kilfenora and the Bishop of Galway and Kilmacduagh only administrates it on his behalf. Laurel Lodged ( talk) 19:06, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
Any takers then? Laurel Lodged ( talk) 19:03, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
A discussion (of some sort) is taking place at Talk:Direct Democracy Ireland#September 2013 - content dispute. All rational contributions are welcome. Snappy ( talk) 18:12, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
We have a category page for Irish people by century, which includes 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th century Irish people subcategories, and each of them have monarch subcategories. These are obviously spurious, as all the people in them are either entirely legendary, or at best undateable. All medieval and early modern attempts to put dates to pre-Christian Ireland are artificial and retrospective, differ significantly, and have been distorted by political propaganda. As far as I know the only Irish person whose existence can be dated prior to the 5th century is the petty king who was a guest of Agricola, and his name is not recorded. While the various dates given to kings in the various sources should be in their articles as that's valuable information about the traditions about them, I think all these categories prior to the 5th century should be deleted. Any thoughts? Nicknack009 ( talk) 20:32, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
Where is your proof that they are not historical figures,both the Scythian and Basque influx are backed up by modern Genetics, and any claims that these colonizations were some kind of migration and not preceded by military operations is not at all plausible taking into account the social and political environment of Ireland at the time,lets just accept that its is more probable than in probable that Lebor Gabála Érenn is accurate in its Recordings of the two ethnic influxes immediately preceding the Celts,and lets just accept that there is about 1500 Dolmens scattered throughout Ireland over the last 7000 years in which the skeletal Remains of Madmen,some hitting 7 foot tall buried with Crowns,gold and weaponary and bearing pre death healed skeletal wounds showing signs of almost perpetual Battle from an early age,is evidence that it is more probable than in probable that their existed Kings right throughout the history of Ireland-- Prestigiouzman ( talk) 11:13, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
Id say even the Orangutan from planet of the Apes would figure this one out, you know the one im talking about yea, the one who bounces out of the cave with d eyes dancin out of his head jacked up on the gear-- Prestigiouzman ( talk) 12:48, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi folks!,
Let me know if they are useful. Thank you. Miss Bono [zootalk] 16:27, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
Category:1st-century Irish people, and other categories regarding 1st-century->4th-century Irish figures, are within the scope of this WikiProject, and have been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the categories' entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 15:05, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
Does anyone have a photo? In ictu oculi ( talk) 04:01, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
Hullo Friends,
A few categories have been listed for renaming here per the scheme detailed in Category:Irish bishops talk page. Laurel Lodged ( talk) 17:03, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
I am making some changes to the article, including the infobox. It says that the colours of the school are Blue and Black. Can anybody find out what tone of blue and the Hex number? Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 15:19, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
A requested move has been opened at Talk:Timothy Michael Healy, to move it to Tim Healy, which is currently just a redirect to a dab page. Input would be appreciated. Scolaire ( talk) 11:18, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
I've tried to include sourced information where Garaidh has a diminutive form "Gary" and "Garry", but it keeps getting deleted. We are discussing it at talk:Gary (given name), I'd like to invite other people to provide input. -- 76.65.131.217 ( talk) 07:51, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
I have the nasty feeling that one user together with an (his?) IP is falsifying the articles Waterford and Limerick. The registered editor makes Limerick the biggest and oldest city in the country. Could someone keep an eye on this? The Banner talk 21:06, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
An RfC is open whether "Fórsaí Cosanta" should be included as an alternative Irish name for the Defence Forces. Personally, I have misgivings about the title of the RfC (which presupposed that "Fórsaí Cosanta" is a name of the Defence Forces). Nevertheless, views are invited on Talk:Defence Forces (Ireland). -- Tóraí ( talk) 12:28, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at the MOS TP relating to use of Oxford English in (inter alia) Ireland-related articles. See Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Oxford spelling on topics related to Britain and Ireland. RashersTierney ( talk) 12:33, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
Miss Bono and
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English_exonyms#Ireland. Can someone check this please. See also article Talk. Many thanks. In ictu oculi ( talk) 04:14, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
I started this article a while back from a stub, but haven't really gotten back to it. Does anyone want to take a crack? It's in need of some expert assistance.-- Obi-Wan Kenobi ( talk) 22:19, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
Could folks please check out and comment on the use of this image from its creator, Msriposte, on Kilmainham and/or Saint_Maighneann? Relevant discussion is primarily on the Kilmainham talk page (please comment there), but please also refer to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_154#Painting_removed and User_talk:I_JethroBT#Cill_Mhaighneann. Thanks, I, JethroBT drop me a line 00:11, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi. I've been updating this today, and wondered if episode 6 had actually aired yet. I couldn't find anything to indicate it had, so wondered if anyone can help. Thanks in advance, Paul MacDermott ( talk) 13:58, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
This article is rated Start-class on WikiProject:Biography, Start-class, Mid-importance on WikiProject:Ireland and unrated on WikiProjects Journalism and Economics. However this article is in need of a serious overhaul - I have listed some issues at Talk:David_McWilliams#Questionable_references, but there may be more issues that need fixing before it can reach higher ratings. Autarch ( talk) 00:38, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
I've asked a question at Wikipedia talk:Categorization of people#Defaultsort of Irish surnames starting Ó. jnestorius( talk) 13:13, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
Looking at Category:People stubs I found Roger O'Shaughnessy and Roger O'Shaughnessey adjacent, and looking at their articles I'm almost certain they're one man: death dates a year apart, wives of nearly the same name and parentage; forfeited estates on death. I don't know anything about Irish history, but have proposed a merge and am dropping this note on the talk pages of two editors who seem to be Irish specialists and have edited both pages in the past, and also here at the Irish Wikiproject. Over to you. Pam D 15:04, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
The article is in Category:Confidence tricksters which I'm not sure can be sustained. Can someone have a read and see if they agree? Atlas-maker ( talk) 13:41, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
Hello there! Could someone have a look at this submission? Regards, FoCuSandLeArN ( talk) 22:00, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
This could do with more references - there is only one given. Autarch ( talk) 02:51, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
Just added three WikiProjects to this - I know only the first applies to this project, but it hasn't been rated. Autarch ( talk) 02:32, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
I was wondering if anybody knew what happened to the Composition of Connacht page. Did it ever exist? Did anybody run off with it? __ E L A Q U E A T E 16:56, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
More Irish eyes on Iona Institute and related articles would be welcome considering the ongoing controversy. Some people seem to be denying there even is any controversy in Ireland at the moment, calling all that has occurred "just words"! IRWolfie- ( talk) 20:17, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
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Can anyone give me a good translation of this racehorse's name. Online translations give "Hooray Freedom", but as a non-Irish speaker I would like to check. Tigerboy1966 18:54, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
Hullo friends,
A rather interesting debate has opened here that may be of interest to the Project. Laurel Lodged ( talk) 20:29, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
Template:Infobox government cabinet has been nominated for merging with
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Hello, Ireland experts. Here's an abandoned Afc submission that wouldn't be hard to make into a stub article. Is this a notable building? Are the references reliable? — Anne Delong ( talk) 01:46, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
I have proposed that the article Anna Livia (monument) should be moved to a new title: Floozie in the Jacuzzi.
The discussion is at Talk:Anna Livia (monument)#Requested_move. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 11:55, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
Does anyone know anything about this topic? It has been tagged for references for 4 years but nothing has been added. ww2censor ( talk) 19:08, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
Some Irish input is desperately needed on here just now.-- MacRùsgail ( talk) 12:05, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
Could use some more eyes on this: Talk:Saint Patrick's Day#St. Patty's Day. - CorbieV ☊ 21:37, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
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I created an article on the topic here and linked to it from Portal:Current events/2014 March 25. As a current event, things are going to move fast. Autarch ( talk) 22:49, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
I've started the Martin Callinan article. Probably a lot more that can be added to it, though. Autarch ( talk) 02:39, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/John Wilson (Garda). FoCuSandLeArN ( talk) 00:12, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
I have just started a new article on Disappeared (Northern Ireland), which might be of interest to this WikiProject. Giant Snowman 18:42, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
I've created List of civil parishes of Ireland with the intent on cleaning up articles and making them consistent and starting the missing articles. I gather that in some counties, if not all, civil parishes are old fashioned and no longer really have any legitimacy even if they still exist formally. The Banner insists that hamlets or villages should NOT mention civil or religious parishes and that separate articles should be created. If this is the case, why do most of our articles on Irish towns and village say it is a civil parish as if it's still a legitimate rigid admin division like a municipality and the articles are organized with a places infoboxes and linked as a village? I personally see nothing wrong say xxx is a hamlet/village and historical civil parish in County Clare, Ireland. I think it's redundant to have separate articles and the history will inevitably be closed tied to the main settlement. All I want is some clarification on the issue and some idea of how I should proceed as I've been making an effort to clean up articles like Lahinch and create ones like Kilmoon and want to try to install some order and consistency in Irish place articles. A lot of them badly need sourcing and cleanup but if Banner is going to call everything I do creating a mess then I'm not prepared to work on them. What I want is to be able to proceed and for towns, villages and hamlets to be able to say in each articles xx is a village and historical civil parish and to solidly have them all in the same article with sources and everything organized nicely by nav boxes and consistent content and sourcing like Kilmoon. Most of them badly need cleanup and putting into some sort of order and I'm trying to help.♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:50, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
@ The Banner: There you have it. Consensus here dictates that villages and civil parishes should be in the same article and that as Laurel says clever editing means that in some cases it is possible to mention all in the same article. Unfortunately Banner you're continuing to operate against consensus and attempted to revert the good work Aymatth did here [14] [15] [16] . None of you support this approach and outlook then? Thanks for clarifying but I have a strong feeling this won't be the end of it. I'd appreciate any support and constructive assistance in progressing with improving coverage and quality of settlements. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:44, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
If a civil parish has enough information for its own article even as a stub then it could rightly have its own article as a distinct geographical unit. If there is nothing really on it and it shares the same name as a settlement in the civil parish, then just make mention of the parish in the lede. For example we have the article Desertmartin which is also the name of a civil parish, yet I created an article for it Desertmartin (parish) which is quite more than a stub. Magherafelt is a town and a civil parish yet the civil parish doesn't have an article just a mention in the lede. Common sense should apply. Mabuska (talk) 22:25, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
None of this research is new, at least not to me. Does it serve a point? Does it advance the Banner's argument by an iota? Laurel Lodged ( talk)
It is clear that there is a consensus on this question. It is also clear that the Banner disagrees with that consensus. It's time to wrap this up. Laurel Lodged ( talk) 20:32, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
See this diff on Doora. The effect is that the lead section does not summarize the body, which is more about the civil parish than the village. See Templemaley - "inactive civil parish". When were they ever "active"?. Any views on the right way to deal with this nuisance? It is a fairly trivial and arcane issue, but these actions seem insulting and disruptive to me. Aymatth2 ( talk) 11:51, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
Unacceptable. This is not what was agreed above. Stating is an "inactive civil parish" looks like original research.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:03, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
Sadly I think the refusal to accept the consensus—and we are a consensus-driven project at the end of the day—is pushing this issue towards some sort of penalty here. - SchroCat ( talk) 13:57, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
If one editor refuses to accept consensus, and is making disruptive edits, it should be taken to AN/I. Scolaire ( talk) 17:52, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
WP:Arbitration more like. If Banner reverts one more time I think it'll be time to start proceedings against him.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:50, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
Reverted again within minutes. @ Laurel Lodged: do you want to start proceedings at arb or shall I? I'm sure Aymatth and myself can find enough evidence of his disruption.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:59, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
Laurel Lodged ( talk) 09:38, 29 March 2014 (UTC)" And be it enacted, That it shall be lawful for the Board of Guardians of every Union, within One Month after the annual Election of Guardians, to appoint a fit Person in each Parish or Townland, or any Part thereof respectively, included in such Union, to be and be styled the Warden for such Parish, Townland, or Part thereof, and such Warden shall hold his Office for One Year, and may be re-appointed thereto, and shall provide for the Conveyance to the Workhouse of any such destitute poor Persons within such Parish, Townland, or Part thereof, as the Guardians shall direct, and shall perform such other Duties in relation to the Purposes of this Act as the Orders of the Commissioners shall prescribe; and shall, when required by the Guardians, attend the Meetings of their Board, and report to them from Time to Time the State of the Poor within such Parish, Townland, or Part thereof, and the Increase or Diminution of Mendicancy therein, and such other Particulars in relation to the Condition of such Parish, Townland, or Part thereof, as he may think fit, or as the Board of Guardians shall require."
Banner's been blocked for a week for disruption. I'd say Aymatth/Laura feel free to edit the Doora article. The thing is can see Banner's point about civil parishes being a redundant organization today but what concerns me is that he ignores reliable sources which prove there is a civil parish of the same name based on what he thinks is right. I have no problem with writing in the article or a footnote on civil parish saying although not formally abolished they're rarely used today, but what bothers me is that he's trying to hide any mention of them which given the sources is wrong. As Laura says with clever editing you can mention all in the same articles and not introduce "errors" as Banner calls it. Doora is a civil parish, even if it is ignored today in every day life, or at least had significance historically which should be documented on wikipedia. I don't see any evidence that Poor Law Union fully overrode civil parish, and at present I'd say it is more problematic as it misleads editors.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:11, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
@ Aymatth2: Yeah "Foo is a village and civil parish in County Foo, Ireland. It is also a parish in the Roman Catholic Diocese of Foo." so long as you link civil parish to the article which explains it is not formally abolished but rarely used today would explain it without justification in the main article.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:29, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
Agreed, and exceptionally well done. Article is crystal clear and proves you can cover all in the same article without introducing "errors".♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:53, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
Guys, if there is not currently a dispute, I don't think there's any need for a daily update on article edits. I presume that anybody interested in those articles has them on their watchlist anyway. Scolaire ( talk) 10:21, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
Best some of these articles have looked in years.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:20, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
The Banner's time on gardening leave has not been spent fruitfully. He is back to his old ways of defying this clear consensus. I merged the contents of two Kilmurry Ibrickane (Civil parish) articles into a single article, as advised above, and send the other to AFD discussion. The Banner has reverted it and declared it to be an act of vandalism. What's to be done with him? Another temporary ban? More severe displinary action? You may wish to contribute here also. @ Aymatth2:, @ Scolaire:, @ Dr. Blofeld:, @ Mabuska: Laurel Lodged ( talk) 19:03, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
HJ appears to have blocked him indefinitely until he agrees to stop the warfare.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:27, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
As far as I can see from earlier discussion we are in full agreement except for Banner than it is feasible to cover both types of parishes and village in the same article with clever editing, although if there is a wealth of info available then it is possible to have a separate article on RC parish. However, I think how to format it warrants further discussion. Laurel I notice your edits on Kilfarboy here. It seems a bit strange to me to sub section history under civil parish. In the broader sense I think Aymatth's layout with Location and History as main sections are more in line with general guidelines on here. However, I noticed a few comments at ANI from editors who said Aymatth's layout was confusing them. Can we come to an agreement on the best way to format the articles? ♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:17, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Would anyone here, especially if they are in the vicinity of Dublin, be interested in helping some historians improve Wikipedia articles related to the Battle of Clontarf? We have been asked at the London office if we can help find some experienced Wikipedians for a possible editathon in Dublin on the 19th April as part of the thousand year anniversary of the battle. If any of you haven't been on an editathon yet they are usually good fun and a great opportunity to work with subject experts. Obviously I'm conscious that this is short notice, and more importantly it is your jurisdiction not ours - but we would be happy to support such an event at any level that you are happy with, from posting a pack of cheatsheets and similar bumph to putting in the geo notice and helping draft an event page. Regards Jonathan Cardy (WMUK) ( talk) 15:52, 6 April 2014 (UTC) AKA WereSpielChequers
Heretofore, the Irish grid reference
parameter in
Infobox settlement templates in Irish settlement articles linked to a map at the British Ordnance Survey website, showing a map of the location. This functionality appears to have been lost as the link now takes one to the website home page. This renders all these infobox grid reference parameters defunct. Can the functionality be restored by reprogramming the
iem4ibx template which drives this mechanism, or has the British website simply dropped support for Irish location inquiries?
— O'Dea (
talk)
18:17, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place in whether the article currently entitled 1981 Irish hunger strike should be renamed.
The discussion is at Talk:1981 Irish hunger strike#Requested_move, where your input will be welcome. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 21:25, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
Hello. I created an article on the History of the Irish in Boston. It needs to be expanded a lot, but I'm not the most knowledgeable about the subject. Is there anyone who would be interested in improving the article? Thank you. Solar-Wind ( talk) 08:51, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
More input would be great for discussing this article Murder of Gordan Gallagher. Fergananim ( talk) 21:17, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
I've made a very basic start with John Bowe (Irish financier) but would welcome help from any editor more familiar with the business. Is mise, Fergananim ( talk) 14:10, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
Belfast was reviewed and listed as a Good Article in March 2007, and last reassessed in Sept 2007. It has been tagged with sourcing concerns since August 2008. I have done a GAR, and I feel that the article doesn't meet current GA criteria. The main contributors have been notified, though are unavailable or not able to do the work at the moment, and there has been no progress. Following the guidelines at Wikipedia:Good article reassessment, interested WikiProjects are being contacted as editing assistance may be needed to prevent the article being delisted. See Talk:Belfast/GA1 for more details. SilkTork ✔Tea time 21:56, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
Please direct your attention to Talk:Ian_Gow#The_fully-protected_car_.28or_its_absence.29, where the question is whether the make of Ian Gow's car (the one he got blown up in) is relevant enough to warrant inclusion in the article. There's an ongoing dispute, going on for over three years, and an RfC (that is, you) might could help settle that. Thanks in advance, Drmies ( talk) 14:47, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
Editors are invited to participate in a discussion taking place at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ireland Collaboration#.22Republic of Ireland.22 de-capitalisation in running text. All input welcome. Thank you. walk victor falk talk 16:21, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
Category:Irish Sinn Féin politicians, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for renaming to Category:Sinn Féin politicians (1905–1926). If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 16:51, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
This move is being discussed at the relevant talkpage. Murry1975 ( talk) 22:34, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
Folks,
Just to let you know, there is renewed energy in Wikimedia Ireland following the success of the Battle of Clontarf editathon. We are planning to take part in the Wiki Loves Monuments competition and are on the look out opportunities for a few more editathons.
The medium term plan organisationally is to set up as a Wikimedia Foundation recognised user group. That will give access to funding.
More info here. -- Tóraí ( talk) 22:38, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
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There is some discussion going on at Talk:Nick Griffin about whether it is possible to have predecessor and successor boxes for TDs, MEPs etc. elected for multi-member constituencies. It is alleged that this constitutes original research. PatGallacher ( talk) 01:15, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
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