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I prod'ed Andrei Vasilevski and Olli Määttä, and also Radek Faksa and Jacob Trouba. They were contested. Since they are all junior players, do they count for something? I was under the impression that amateur players without big awards or notable accolades didn't qualify per our guidelines? thanks -- Львівське ( говорити) 16:16, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
All of them project to be 1st rounders. Vasilevski might be iffy being a goalie. I would hold of any action until tomorrow night. TerminalPreppie ( talk) 20:52, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
Looks like there were a few articles added today for non-notable players that were drafted today. There are a couple players who played in thr SM-Liiga or the SEL or who would be otherwise notable (1st all-star perhaps), but there others who did not get named to a major junior or NCAA D-I all-star team who now have articles. Who wants to get started Prodding them? If I have time, I might make a list tomorrow sometime. Thanks! Patken4 ( talk) 20:57, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
Most likely just some vandalism but if someone can keep an eye on Tomaž Razingar maybe something happenened that enraged the Slovenian populace which might be worth noting and sourcing. Agathoclea ( talk) 19:47, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
I've been noticing the addition of the years a player has played for a particular team in their infobox. Such as this from
Brent Johnson:
Pittsburgh Penguins (2009-present)
St. Louis Blues (1998-2004)
Phoenix Coyotes (2004)
Washington Capitals (2005-2009)
IMO it is just more clutter in the infobox, but before I start removing the occurrences when I see them, I would like to see if we have a consensus on whether we should keep years like this or remove them. Thanks.--
Mo Rock...Monstrous
(leech44) 23:53, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
I was just browsing around this evening, being a user of Wikipedia on a virtually daily basis but not editing as much lately, and stumbled across the Mississauga St. Michael's Majors page being redirected to Mississauga Steelheads despite being a different team name.
Now, in the past, articles have been created for older situations like this (see Kingston Raiders, Kingston Canadians, and Owen Sound Platers, among I'm sure many others, of which the first listed here existed for an even shorter period than the St. Michael's Majors). It's my understanding from asking Resolute that a precedent has been discussed in the past but never established, so at this point this discussion seems like it will become a matter of opinion.
What I'd like to do is establish a precedent. I forget who I first discussed this with, but when I brought up this subject in the past I was told that the articles for older teams SHOULD be kept. This might have something to do with Wikilinks from old season articles (see 1991-92 OHL season for instance) where having the name link to a new location would cause confusion to the reader. The reasons for a merge in all such cases suggest that information is repeated - something I brought up in my past discussion as well. I know everyone has a different opinion on this. I think we need to establish a future precedent simply because I've heard different opinions. For now, I've asked Bearcat, who moved the article, to restore it for the time being.
Please discuss. CycloneGU ( talk) 04:56, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
Also what about cases like the Esquimalt Buccaneers who played for a single year but were a continuation of the Nanaimo Clippers both before and after. In that case wouldn't it be simpler to just keep the Esquimalt info in the Naniamo page rather than creating a very short stub? Ravendrop 05:58, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
Got brought in for an outside opinion; I know how it should be but it's tough to explain. In the first situation noted, it clearly should be a redirect, as it was nothing more than a simple name change for the same franchise. I know over at MLB we have a lot of minor league teams that have relocated frequently over the years, and an article for every change would be unwieldy and a bit silly, since it wouldn't make it clear that the teams are the same, just modified. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 15:25, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
Yeah we generally only split articles when they move. Simple renames are just that, we rename the article. I realize there are a few outliers that have long been on the projects to-do list to fix up. But in general consensus has long been with renames we just rename the article and for moves we create a new article. - DJSasso ( talk) 17:21, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
What's everyone's stance on the timeliness of the UFA/RFA statuses on the roster templates? Some would argue that they're not FAs until 12:00pm on Sunday and thus, the notations shouldn't appear until then. I on the otherhand, say noting pending FA status is highly relevant anytime after the season ends. TerminalPreppie ( talk) 19:23, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
We should wait until the contracts-in-question expire, which is at the end of June. GoodDay ( talk) 19:43, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
I am mildly in support of not listing this until the 30th. On the one hand, it really isn't worth fighting over, but on the other, consider cases like Corey Sarich and Hal Gill. They were due to become free agents, but never did because they signed before their contracts expired. Thus, the only thing I would suggest is that if reverting, be polite in responding to the people who add the UFA and RFA notes. i.e.: don't rollback and don't claim it as vandalism. The edits are good faith, even if slightly premature. Reso lute 20:12, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
I agree with DJSasso. I don't see a good reason not to include the tag, and it is useful, verifiable information, whether the free agency has already taken effect or merely pending. Rlendog ( talk) 20:35, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
On a tangent, I'm not sure I see the reason to revert the addition of the four upcoming HHOFers from the team articles. Even if they haven't been inducted yet, they have been named as hall of famers. Seems pointless to revert those. Reso lute 23:31, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
The sources we use for the Roster Templates are all referenced back to the team's NHL official website which I understand and completely agree with. My questions to you all are, that since the source we use does not technically list the free agents should they be included in the Roster table? If we are using a source and then alter the information from that source is it still following WP:INTEGRITY? If it does not follow the integrity should we include another table below the Roster with an additional source stating the free agents? - ♣ B2project ♣ 22:54, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
There seems to have been a recent change to the {{MedalTableTop}} template to automatically add the name to the top of the template. This can be suppressed by adding {{MedalTableTop|name=no}} but since it is one a ton of pages (most in the middle of the page) I don't feel like taking the time to manually add the no name parameter to all of the hockey articles that use this template. Is anyone handy with bots that would be able to create one to add the no name to ice hockey related articles? Thanks -- Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 01:02, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
I recently had my
reverted in the
Montreal Canadiens roster about listing AHL players who signed NHL contracts that are now free agents in the NHL roster and want to know if I am correct in my interpretation of Free Agents.
Here is the reasoning why I put the info in as I did:
Andrew Conboy never played a NHL game with the Canadiens but is listed
here from the official list from NHL of free agents as a free agent of the Canadiens. He is sourced
here that he was signed by the Canadiens in March 2009 to a three year contract and assigned to the AHL. Therefor he was signed by the Canadiens, not the AHL affiliate and would be listed as a free agent at the NHL level. An example player who would only be listed in the AHL roster as a free agent would be
Kyle Hagel since he signed his contract directly with the
Hamilton Bulldogs. All of the players listed in the NHL team's roster as a free agent were signed directly by the NHL team not the affiliate team and are free agents on the NHL level.
Am I correct in my interpretation that we list all NHL free agents even if they are only playing in the AHL but are under an NHL contract? -
♣ B2project ♣ 22:36, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
Seriously, you are sacrificing the overall viewing experience of the many to satisfy a VERY few. The reason the templates are as they are is because they're the TEAM COLORS. Most of us are NOT color-blind, so you need to think about the needs of the many before the needs of the few. As Mark Twain said about censorship, what you're doing is akin to "telling a grown man he can't have a steak because a baby can't chew it." Tom Danson ( talk) 15:57, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
Personally, I prefer the border-edge colour format; in the end, though, as it is close to impossible to accommodate everyone's personal preferences with such a large group of editors on an area with a significant subjective element, we only need to reach a consensus on something most people can live with. isaacl ( talk) 03:12, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
A discussion on the Project College Football talk page has been created to discuss the proper format of the overview maps that are used for the US collegiate athletic conference pages.
If you're interested, please join the discussion here: Athletic conference overview maps and their lack of consistency - Mdak06 ( talk) 18:04, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
There's some editors here (including an IP) who seem to believe that Sakic, P. Bure, Sundin & Oates are in the Hockey Hall of Fame. Well, these 4 former NHL players are not & we shouldn't be making it appear as though they are. Therefore, I've made a compromise edit, by puting To be inducted.. into the HHOF 2012 addition to the infoboxes. GoodDay ( talk) 19:51, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
Seriously, would you act like this in other areas you care about? If, say, the Red Wings named Henrik Zetterberg captain of the team tomorrow, would you edit war to keep any mention of him off the captaincy list until the first game of the regular season? Ravenswing 03:07, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
General response: FINE. GoodDay ( talk) 03:45, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
Template:Deutsche Eishockey Liga Teams has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at
the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Note this is
Template:Deutsche Eishockey Liga Teams, not
Template:Deutsche Eishockey Liga (which redirects to
Template:DEL).
DH85868993 (
talk) 12:55, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I have just listed the lead image for the Ted Lindsay Award for speedy deletion at Commons as it is an obvious copyvio. I *might* have an image of my own from when the NHL brought a pile of its trophies to the WJHCs in Calgary last winter, but in case I do not (will check later today), is anyone close enough to the HHOF to grab a new, free image at some point in the near future? Reso lute 14:37, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
I've started a discussion at Talk:Summit Series. I've been working on the article a lot lately. I'm looking for a reliable source for Clarke's slash fracturing Kharlamov's ankle. Secondly, I'm not about sure about its prominence. Whether it is best in its own section or part of the game six summary. I'd like to get the article to good article status, so any help is appreciated, but especially at this point. ʘ alaney2k ʘ ( talk) 15:32, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
Template:IIHFbox2 has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at
the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page.
DH85868993 (
talk) 10:56, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
187 move requests at Dominik Halmosi talk page
I wasn't sure what the Hockey project parameters are on these moves, though they have been opposed in the past. This is just for information for those who don't read the detailed project rm's. I was not voting there but perhaps others here would want to. Have a good day. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 08:52, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
Just seeking some clarification. With an updated logo by the looks and DEL website, it seems to me that they have reverted to Düsseldorfer EG. Anyone confirm this?
Triggerbit ( talk) 08:17, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
Someone has boldly moved the page for Andrei Markov to Andrei Markov (ice hockey player). As far as I can tell by the edit summaries, because there is someone else called Andrey Markov, the hockey player shouldn't have a main page even though he has a link to the disambiguation page of the similar name. There are no other pages using the name Andrei. Now the main Andrei page redirects to the moved page, which seems backwards. Also when extra qualifications are required the convention is to only add (ice hockey) which previously existed and correctly redirected to the main page. I tried to undo the move but nothing happened, I hope someone here can help. 99.246.120.199 ( talk) 03:07, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
So, I've been working on this project I started up called the Concussion Project, and have already created the Concussions in American football and Concussions in sport pages, and I'm currently working on Concussions in hockey, which currently resides in User:ZappaOMati/sandbox, and in you guys' opinions, would this page be a good idea to create? Zappa O Mati 01:32, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
Is the article-in-question, considered a Canadian article or British? GoodDay ( talk) 00:20, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
Looking for some help fixing numerous references. I have used passionhockey.com's archives extensively for IIHF content and it appears they have moved their archive. It is over a hundred pages, some with numerous footnotes, hoping there is a simple solution. 18abruce ( talk) 01:28, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
A few days ago, I noticed a borderline edit war between User:HonestopL and a few others over at Jason Spezza. HonestopL has been listing a lot of questionably notable stats in the awards and achievements section (ie 6th in points per game last season). Hes also been listing some "sabremetricesque" stats like "Offensive Point Shares" and "Goals Created per Game". See also Cam Ward, Sergei Fedorov, Alexander Mogilny. I discussed this him, but it seems like his justification is the prior inclusion of all time career rankings at articles like Joe Sakic. TerminalPreppie ( talk) 13:00, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
TerminalPreppie and ChakaKong are possible that same user and I think we should have an IP check. ChakaKong registers the day after TerminalPreppie last edits and is editing the same pages in the same manner? sounds like another Sockpuppet. You can't pick and chose what's encyclopedic on your own basis, you HAVE to follow wikipedia policy and discuss on talk pages rather than forcing your own POV's on everyone else. See " List of career achievements by Wayne Gretzky" - This page could violate many of the polices, such as "indiscriminate collection of information and guidelines". If you allow things like this on many other hockey players pages, like stats in first placings, you need a unified code for all pages, not just cherry picking some.
Also somehow, TerminalPreppie/ChakaKong thinks saying a players hair color and eyes, and a quote from a respected author is not notable, and the author is just "some guy". That shows some collusion and careless/bias editing, which is against Wikipedia regulations.
Most of the stats on here aren't even from the "hockey reference", so maybe you should re-evaluate your credentials here. Very very suspicious editing going on here between TerminalPreppie and ChakaKong. Let's get an investigation going. Funny how ChakaKong edits the SAME pages and registers the Day After TerminalPreppie last edit and on the Same pages, with the same issues? and he's already an expert? Wikipedia is about getting more opinions on the "actual legal wiki defintions" - 2 users is not a consensus, not even close. They allow these types of stats on players pages, but not certain players? Doesn't work that way here on wikipedia. Civility will get you further. Show me hard-coded defintion(s) saying "Exactly" what you are claiming, because from what I've read extensivley, you are allowed notable stats (like seasons-1st placings stats/all time stats), but not every little stat like "35th Place" like in Joe Sakics etc. You could say all-time positions not in the Top5 are not notable/ are notable by the wikipedia definitions stated. The policies are there and if you know how to read properly, examine it and come back with a proper, detailed explanations. HonestopL 1:11, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
I have now removed stats associated with the "hockey reference" from the Fedorov page because I will agree it needs better sources, which I will try to find at a later date. But removing (1st placings) which are listed on the NHL.com and other reputable sources, are inline with wiki policy, as are quotes with proper sourcing, as with autobiographical information.\ HonestopL 1:46, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
That being said, no one is claiming that hockey-reference.com is an inaccurate source. We are claiming that it compiles or invents many statistics not widely recognized by the hockey world, and which aren't reflected by the NHL's own stats, by the print media, or on other notable stat collation sites such as hockeydb.com. As far as our long term consensus as to what stats to recognize on player pages? We are under no onus to prove to you that such stats aren't generally accepted. It is up to you to demonstrate that they are. Ravenswing 07:14, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
Ravenswing, please talk to me with respect please. I'm speaking of "TerminalPreppie/ChakaKong", I never condemned everyone, so don't try and put words in my mouth. "Resolute and I each joined Wikipedia several years before you did and have many thousands of edits more than you've managed." That may be, but you have to follow Wikipedia Policy, not your owns set of beliefs.
And I already said, I agree with you and I removed the "Hockey Reference sources and entry's".
But again, can't pick and chose what's encyclopedic on your own basis, you HAVE to follow wikipedia policy and discuss on talk pages rather than forcing your own POV. See " List of career achievements by Wayne Gretzky" - This page could violate many of the polices, such as "indiscriminate collection of information and guidelines".
If you allow things like this on many other hockey players pages, like stats in first placings, you need a unified code for all pages, not just cherry picking some. HonestopL 3:18, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
You know what, go ahead and ruin good pages :) you guys cry like little babies here and edit under multiple accounts by-passing IP checks, and make up your own rules. That's okay :) Cause in real life, I have a beautiful girl, amazing friends, popular, good looking and have a great life that I wouldn't trade with anyone! But you guys sit on wikipedia fighting and ganging up with others - you guys are pathetic lol no wonder you guys sit on here all the time fighting lol I pray to God you dudes get real a life! HonestopL 15:49, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
To be fair, referring to him as a "stats creep" in the title of this discussion probably didn't help things. It's no wonder that he reacted with hostility when this discussion started out with an insult. -- Scorpion 0422 23:37, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
Some vindictive/revenge editing at [Bobby Orr]. ʘ alaney2k ʘ ( talk) 02:19, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
I realise that some of us have dealt with this from the last lockout, but keep in mind that for NHL players signing with European teams, make sure that it is a confirmed signing, and sourced. Especially in the first few days here, with everyone going everywhere and rumours of them going somewhere else. Just a heads up for everyone. Kaiser matias ( talk) 20:44, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
I did this last year at the start of the season, and felt it would be interesting to do it again. I've listed each NHL team by number of GA, FA or FL articles, even if a player appeared in only one game for said team. Looking at the stats, it seems we have slowed down considerably in the last year with the GA+ articles. Notably, our Vancouver contingent is slacking off. ;) Even my own editing, with eight Flames-related GAs and a couple others, is under last year's work. Though my excuse is that I have increased focus on non-hockey articles in the last year. I've included the increase in each team's total since last year. With the exception of one Atlanta Thrashers FL, all of the increases are biographical good articles:
Team | BioFA | BioGA | GenFA | GenGA | TFA | TGA | FL | Total | Increase | |||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Vancouver Canucks | 5 | 37 | 0 | 1 | 5 | 38 | 2 | 45 | +2 | |||
Calgary Flames | 2 | 22 | 2 | 7 | 4 | 29 | 5 | 38 | +8 | |||
New York Rangers | 4 | 14 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 14 | 2 | 20 | +2 | |||
Florida Panthers | 1 | 14 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 14 | 2 | 17 | +3 | |||
Montreal Canadiens | 4 | 9 | 1 | 1 | 5 | 10 | 1 | 16 | +2 | |||
Toronto Maple Leafs | 1 | 13 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 14 | 1 | 16 | +2 | |||
New York Islanders | 3 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 8 | 3 | 14 | — | |||
Chicago Blackhawks | 3 | 9 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 9 | 2 | 14 | +2 | |||
New Jersey Devils | 1 | 8 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 8 | 3 | 13 | +1 | |||
Detroit Red Wings | 2 | 7 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 7 | 2 | 11 | +2 | |||
Buffalo Sabres | 1 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 1 | 7 | 2 | 10 | — | |||
Boston Bruins | 2 | 7 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 7 | 1 | 10 | +1 | |||
Edmonton Oilers | 3 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 6 | 1 | 10 | +1 | |||
Los Angeles Kings | 1 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 8 | 1 | 10 | +1 | |||
Philadelphia Flyers | 1 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 8 | 1 | 10 | +2 | |||
St. Louis Blues | 3 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 5 | 1 | 9 | +1 | |||
Columbus Blue Jackets | 1 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 6 | 1 | 8 | — | |||
Pittsburgh Penguins | 0 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 7 | 1 | 8 | — | |||
Washington Capitals | 1 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 5 | 2 | 8 | +1 | |||
Ottawa Senators | 2 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 4 | 1 | 7 | — | |||
Tampa Bay Lightning | 1 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 4 | 2 | 7 | — | |||
Anaheim Ducks | 1 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 6 | 0 | 7 | +1 | |||
Colorado Avalanche | 3 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 6 | — | |||
San Jose Sharks | 0 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 5 | 1 | 6 | +1 | |||
Dallas Stars | 0 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 6 | 0 | 6 | +2 | |||
Atlanta Thrashers | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 2 | 5 | +1 | |||
Phoenix Coyotes | 0 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 0 | 4 | — | |||
Quebec Nordiques | 1 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 3 | 0 | 4 | — | |||
Montreal Maroons | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 3 | — | |||
Nashville Predators | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 3 | — | |||
Ottawa Senators (old) | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 3 | — | |||
Winnipeg Jets | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 3 | +1 | |||
Carolina Hurricanes | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | — | |||
New York Americans | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | — | |||
Minnesota Wild | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | +1 | |||
Hartford Whalers | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | — | |||
Minnesota North Stars | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | — | |||
Montreal Wanderers | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | — | |||
Quebec Bulldogs | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | — | |||
St. Louis Eagles | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | — | |||
Atlanta Flames | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | +1 | |||
Colorado Rockies | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | +1 |
It is worth noting that there are five articles currently queued up for GA reviews: 2011–12 Washington Capitals season, 2011–12 Columbus Blue Jackets season, Brett Hull (Cgy, Stl, Dal, Det, Phx) Brad McCrimmon (Bos, Phi, Cgy, Det, Hfd, Phx) and Paul Henderson (Det, Tor, AtlF). We have not had a new Featured Article promoted since last year, though Kaiser matias is currently trying to fix that with Hobey Baker. Reso lute 00:47, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
Both
Battle of Quebec and
Battle of Ontario have been moved to the team-team rivalry naming convention with out any discussion. My understanding was that the battle of name was a more specific and more often used terminology when describing both of the rivalries rather than the team team naming convention so they should be at the Battle of name. I did some quick Google checks below.
Battle of Ontario (49,800,000) vs. Maple Leafs-Senators Rivalry (355,000)
Battle of Quebec ice hockey (5,640,000) vs. Canadiens Nordiques rivalry (56,700)
Shouldn't these be moved back to their original names? --
Mo Rock...Monstrous
(leech44) 06:35, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
See here. General discussion about the appropriateness of our notability criteria, with particular focus on how well our subject notability guideline meshes with WP:GNG. Also a focus on if the "100 pro games in a minor league" criterion is appropriate. I would invite and ask all interested editors to add their opinions. Thanks, Reso lute 01:23, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
Please see Talk:Saskatoon Sheiks#Requested move. Giant Snowman 16:45, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
As some of you may know, we have three articles on hockey players named Sean Collins, two of which were born in 1983 which makes disambiguation problematic. Currently, the articles are titled
The problem I'm trying to solve is that using "Sean P. Collins" is not an acceptable solution because nobody else calls him that. In fact I'm not even sure what the P stands for. He's listed as Sean Collins on hockeydb, on nhl.com, on eliteprospects, on tsn.com, on the website of his current team (Connecticut Whale) and so on. I'm pretty sure that the overwhelming majority of fans doesn't know his middle initial and as far we know the other two Sean Collins may also have a middle name that starts with P. The article was briefly first moved to Sean Collins (ice hockey b. Oct. 1983) by Dolovis and a couple of days later to Sean P. Collins by Djsasso with the rationale "We don't go as far as months in disambiguation. We find more clear means first." As I explained, the current situation isn't clear. And while it's true that we don't disambiguate by month, I think this is mostly due to the incredibly low probability of finding two notable people with the same job born on the same year. I'm proposing two solutions which I think would be superior to the current one. The first exploits the fact that the two 1983s play different positions.
The second solution is the one implemented by Dolovis. Yes, it's clunky to have the months but it's better than using a phantom initial
Obviously I'm very much open to other suggestions. Pichpich ( talk) 00:52, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
We have this handy template ({{ NHL Labour Relations}}, but I'm thinking there should be a catch-all article for the history of NHL labor negotiations which would summarize all preceding negotiations (I'm sure there must've been other labor-related issues prior to 1992), strikes, and lockouts, and detail the ongoing negotiations as well (I don't know whether or not there's enough to build a separate article on yet, but I would really like to see a detailed chronicle of this - the 2012–13 NHL season article covers it a little, but barely). Jmj713 ( talk) 02:55, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
This would be some useful statistics to add to the labor relations overview article. Jmj713 ( talk) 23:30, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
So I know everyone's probably depressed about the lockout, but what about going ahead with a History of NHL labour relations article? There were quite a few interesting events brought up in the discussion above that I wasn't even aware of, so I'm hopeful that the more knowledgeable editors in this area (Alaney, Resolute) would go ahead with such an article. I would really like to see it, and of course I'll collaborate to the best of my own abilities. It's always preferable, in my opinion, to have a good and well-researched overview article than have its components strewn about random articles. This is a fairly important topic, especially now, and it would benefit a lot of readers to get a good sense of history about how we got here. Jmj713 ( talk) 17:26, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
In advance of what seems inevitable, I have created a sandbox copy of a lockout article at User:Resolute/2012 NHL lockout. It is just at a rudimentary point for now, and while I may add more over the next couple days, I invite anyone else interested to work on and expand it. Also, since I will be offline most of the weekend, anyone can feel free to move it to mainspace once the lockout is called. Reso lute 22:43, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Good examples to follow with this lockout would be 2011 NBA lockout and 2011 NFL lockout. Jmj713 ( talk) 05:15, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
While on the topic; How about implementing a field in the infobox for lockout team? Right now many lockout players playing overseas have their european team listed as their prospects team. — KRM ( Communicate!) 23:20, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
I have recently been replying to questions about user accessibility when it come to the NHL templates (like {{ Ottawa Senators}} were the color does not meet our policy for partially or fully color blind people (see policy at WP:CONTRAST and WP:NAVBOXCOLOR). There is also a concern about hiding links by way of colors ( Like white links at {{ Toronto Maple Leafs}}) - we should never impede user accessibility by way of recognition of links to have nice colors as per WP:Link color and WP:CONTRAST "Links should clearly be identifiable as links to readers". I see this may be a monumental task to have to fix all the templates - but following basic accessibility policy is something all projects should strive for. Moxy ( talk) 21:35, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
I saw the discussion previously about the reformat of the navboxs and after reading this thread I decided to do a rough run, located here, of the current NHL teams to see what they would look like. Fell free to leave comments on if I got something wrong. I took all the colors for the borders directly from the team pages and used the 2 primary colors that are associated with the teams. B2project ( talk) 01:43, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
Done with all defunct/relocated teams. Wanted to do a one last check to see if everything looks good before implementing the changes. B2project ( talk) 23:42, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
There is no reason to be locked into one style or another, though consistency across all 30+ teams is definitely desirable, so I'm afraid you're not likely to win the argument on that basis, CASportsFan. However, there's no reason why we need to use the colour combination we do on that template. Or perhaps we should get rid of the border around row headers. I'd say rather than bicker, lets look at what makes that template look so ugly, and try to find ways to fix it that also achieve the accessibility concerns that led to the current format. Reso lute 20:40, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
This has gone WAY TOO FAR. Now we're diluting the team's color identities on UBXes just to placate a SMALL MINORITY (less than 1 percent of Wikipedians). As Mark Twain said about censorship, that is like "telling a grown man he can't have a steak because a baby can't chew it." Tom Danson ( talk) 21:41, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
I wanted to make sure I was using the correct team colors so I just used all of the team logos and took the color codes directly off of them. I haven't changed them on their official template yet but they are listed on the original sandbox I was using before. Some of them (that I originally took from the teams Wiki page) were completely off. They should match the logos much better now. B2Project (Talk) 08:30, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
These articles seem to be about the same person. -- Mika1h ( talk) 12:48, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed some datas are missing about U.S. ice hockey players. My free trial 14 days (ancestry) is running out and I found quite all the U.S. soccer player.
These are the pages I found:
back from Southampton with S.S. Mongolia 13 may 1920:
S.S. New York, 22 may 1920
Hope these useful to complete your records.-- Nipas ( talk) 22:57, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
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I prod'ed Andrei Vasilevski and Olli Määttä, and also Radek Faksa and Jacob Trouba. They were contested. Since they are all junior players, do they count for something? I was under the impression that amateur players without big awards or notable accolades didn't qualify per our guidelines? thanks -- Львівське ( говорити) 16:16, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
All of them project to be 1st rounders. Vasilevski might be iffy being a goalie. I would hold of any action until tomorrow night. TerminalPreppie ( talk) 20:52, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
Looks like there were a few articles added today for non-notable players that were drafted today. There are a couple players who played in thr SM-Liiga or the SEL or who would be otherwise notable (1st all-star perhaps), but there others who did not get named to a major junior or NCAA D-I all-star team who now have articles. Who wants to get started Prodding them? If I have time, I might make a list tomorrow sometime. Thanks! Patken4 ( talk) 20:57, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
Most likely just some vandalism but if someone can keep an eye on Tomaž Razingar maybe something happenened that enraged the Slovenian populace which might be worth noting and sourcing. Agathoclea ( talk) 19:47, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
I've been noticing the addition of the years a player has played for a particular team in their infobox. Such as this from
Brent Johnson:
Pittsburgh Penguins (2009-present)
St. Louis Blues (1998-2004)
Phoenix Coyotes (2004)
Washington Capitals (2005-2009)
IMO it is just more clutter in the infobox, but before I start removing the occurrences when I see them, I would like to see if we have a consensus on whether we should keep years like this or remove them. Thanks.--
Mo Rock...Monstrous
(leech44) 23:53, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
I was just browsing around this evening, being a user of Wikipedia on a virtually daily basis but not editing as much lately, and stumbled across the Mississauga St. Michael's Majors page being redirected to Mississauga Steelheads despite being a different team name.
Now, in the past, articles have been created for older situations like this (see Kingston Raiders, Kingston Canadians, and Owen Sound Platers, among I'm sure many others, of which the first listed here existed for an even shorter period than the St. Michael's Majors). It's my understanding from asking Resolute that a precedent has been discussed in the past but never established, so at this point this discussion seems like it will become a matter of opinion.
What I'd like to do is establish a precedent. I forget who I first discussed this with, but when I brought up this subject in the past I was told that the articles for older teams SHOULD be kept. This might have something to do with Wikilinks from old season articles (see 1991-92 OHL season for instance) where having the name link to a new location would cause confusion to the reader. The reasons for a merge in all such cases suggest that information is repeated - something I brought up in my past discussion as well. I know everyone has a different opinion on this. I think we need to establish a future precedent simply because I've heard different opinions. For now, I've asked Bearcat, who moved the article, to restore it for the time being.
Please discuss. CycloneGU ( talk) 04:56, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
Also what about cases like the Esquimalt Buccaneers who played for a single year but were a continuation of the Nanaimo Clippers both before and after. In that case wouldn't it be simpler to just keep the Esquimalt info in the Naniamo page rather than creating a very short stub? Ravendrop 05:58, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
Got brought in for an outside opinion; I know how it should be but it's tough to explain. In the first situation noted, it clearly should be a redirect, as it was nothing more than a simple name change for the same franchise. I know over at MLB we have a lot of minor league teams that have relocated frequently over the years, and an article for every change would be unwieldy and a bit silly, since it wouldn't make it clear that the teams are the same, just modified. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 15:25, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
Yeah we generally only split articles when they move. Simple renames are just that, we rename the article. I realize there are a few outliers that have long been on the projects to-do list to fix up. But in general consensus has long been with renames we just rename the article and for moves we create a new article. - DJSasso ( talk) 17:21, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
What's everyone's stance on the timeliness of the UFA/RFA statuses on the roster templates? Some would argue that they're not FAs until 12:00pm on Sunday and thus, the notations shouldn't appear until then. I on the otherhand, say noting pending FA status is highly relevant anytime after the season ends. TerminalPreppie ( talk) 19:23, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
We should wait until the contracts-in-question expire, which is at the end of June. GoodDay ( talk) 19:43, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
I am mildly in support of not listing this until the 30th. On the one hand, it really isn't worth fighting over, but on the other, consider cases like Corey Sarich and Hal Gill. They were due to become free agents, but never did because they signed before their contracts expired. Thus, the only thing I would suggest is that if reverting, be polite in responding to the people who add the UFA and RFA notes. i.e.: don't rollback and don't claim it as vandalism. The edits are good faith, even if slightly premature. Reso lute 20:12, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
I agree with DJSasso. I don't see a good reason not to include the tag, and it is useful, verifiable information, whether the free agency has already taken effect or merely pending. Rlendog ( talk) 20:35, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
On a tangent, I'm not sure I see the reason to revert the addition of the four upcoming HHOFers from the team articles. Even if they haven't been inducted yet, they have been named as hall of famers. Seems pointless to revert those. Reso lute 23:31, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
The sources we use for the Roster Templates are all referenced back to the team's NHL official website which I understand and completely agree with. My questions to you all are, that since the source we use does not technically list the free agents should they be included in the Roster table? If we are using a source and then alter the information from that source is it still following WP:INTEGRITY? If it does not follow the integrity should we include another table below the Roster with an additional source stating the free agents? - ♣ B2project ♣ 22:54, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
There seems to have been a recent change to the {{MedalTableTop}} template to automatically add the name to the top of the template. This can be suppressed by adding {{MedalTableTop|name=no}} but since it is one a ton of pages (most in the middle of the page) I don't feel like taking the time to manually add the no name parameter to all of the hockey articles that use this template. Is anyone handy with bots that would be able to create one to add the no name to ice hockey related articles? Thanks -- Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 01:02, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
I recently had my
reverted in the
Montreal Canadiens roster about listing AHL players who signed NHL contracts that are now free agents in the NHL roster and want to know if I am correct in my interpretation of Free Agents.
Here is the reasoning why I put the info in as I did:
Andrew Conboy never played a NHL game with the Canadiens but is listed
here from the official list from NHL of free agents as a free agent of the Canadiens. He is sourced
here that he was signed by the Canadiens in March 2009 to a three year contract and assigned to the AHL. Therefor he was signed by the Canadiens, not the AHL affiliate and would be listed as a free agent at the NHL level. An example player who would only be listed in the AHL roster as a free agent would be
Kyle Hagel since he signed his contract directly with the
Hamilton Bulldogs. All of the players listed in the NHL team's roster as a free agent were signed directly by the NHL team not the affiliate team and are free agents on the NHL level.
Am I correct in my interpretation that we list all NHL free agents even if they are only playing in the AHL but are under an NHL contract? -
♣ B2project ♣ 22:36, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
Seriously, you are sacrificing the overall viewing experience of the many to satisfy a VERY few. The reason the templates are as they are is because they're the TEAM COLORS. Most of us are NOT color-blind, so you need to think about the needs of the many before the needs of the few. As Mark Twain said about censorship, what you're doing is akin to "telling a grown man he can't have a steak because a baby can't chew it." Tom Danson ( talk) 15:57, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
Personally, I prefer the border-edge colour format; in the end, though, as it is close to impossible to accommodate everyone's personal preferences with such a large group of editors on an area with a significant subjective element, we only need to reach a consensus on something most people can live with. isaacl ( talk) 03:12, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
A discussion on the Project College Football talk page has been created to discuss the proper format of the overview maps that are used for the US collegiate athletic conference pages.
If you're interested, please join the discussion here: Athletic conference overview maps and their lack of consistency - Mdak06 ( talk) 18:04, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
There's some editors here (including an IP) who seem to believe that Sakic, P. Bure, Sundin & Oates are in the Hockey Hall of Fame. Well, these 4 former NHL players are not & we shouldn't be making it appear as though they are. Therefore, I've made a compromise edit, by puting To be inducted.. into the HHOF 2012 addition to the infoboxes. GoodDay ( talk) 19:51, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
Seriously, would you act like this in other areas you care about? If, say, the Red Wings named Henrik Zetterberg captain of the team tomorrow, would you edit war to keep any mention of him off the captaincy list until the first game of the regular season? Ravenswing 03:07, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
General response: FINE. GoodDay ( talk) 03:45, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
Template:Deutsche Eishockey Liga Teams has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at
the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Note this is
Template:Deutsche Eishockey Liga Teams, not
Template:Deutsche Eishockey Liga (which redirects to
Template:DEL).
DH85868993 (
talk) 12:55, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I have just listed the lead image for the Ted Lindsay Award for speedy deletion at Commons as it is an obvious copyvio. I *might* have an image of my own from when the NHL brought a pile of its trophies to the WJHCs in Calgary last winter, but in case I do not (will check later today), is anyone close enough to the HHOF to grab a new, free image at some point in the near future? Reso lute 14:37, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
I've started a discussion at Talk:Summit Series. I've been working on the article a lot lately. I'm looking for a reliable source for Clarke's slash fracturing Kharlamov's ankle. Secondly, I'm not about sure about its prominence. Whether it is best in its own section or part of the game six summary. I'd like to get the article to good article status, so any help is appreciated, but especially at this point. ʘ alaney2k ʘ ( talk) 15:32, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
Template:IIHFbox2 has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at
the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page.
DH85868993 (
talk) 10:56, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
187 move requests at Dominik Halmosi talk page
I wasn't sure what the Hockey project parameters are on these moves, though they have been opposed in the past. This is just for information for those who don't read the detailed project rm's. I was not voting there but perhaps others here would want to. Have a good day. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 08:52, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
Just seeking some clarification. With an updated logo by the looks and DEL website, it seems to me that they have reverted to Düsseldorfer EG. Anyone confirm this?
Triggerbit ( talk) 08:17, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
Someone has boldly moved the page for Andrei Markov to Andrei Markov (ice hockey player). As far as I can tell by the edit summaries, because there is someone else called Andrey Markov, the hockey player shouldn't have a main page even though he has a link to the disambiguation page of the similar name. There are no other pages using the name Andrei. Now the main Andrei page redirects to the moved page, which seems backwards. Also when extra qualifications are required the convention is to only add (ice hockey) which previously existed and correctly redirected to the main page. I tried to undo the move but nothing happened, I hope someone here can help. 99.246.120.199 ( talk) 03:07, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
So, I've been working on this project I started up called the Concussion Project, and have already created the Concussions in American football and Concussions in sport pages, and I'm currently working on Concussions in hockey, which currently resides in User:ZappaOMati/sandbox, and in you guys' opinions, would this page be a good idea to create? Zappa O Mati 01:32, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
Is the article-in-question, considered a Canadian article or British? GoodDay ( talk) 00:20, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
Looking for some help fixing numerous references. I have used passionhockey.com's archives extensively for IIHF content and it appears they have moved their archive. It is over a hundred pages, some with numerous footnotes, hoping there is a simple solution. 18abruce ( talk) 01:28, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
A few days ago, I noticed a borderline edit war between User:HonestopL and a few others over at Jason Spezza. HonestopL has been listing a lot of questionably notable stats in the awards and achievements section (ie 6th in points per game last season). Hes also been listing some "sabremetricesque" stats like "Offensive Point Shares" and "Goals Created per Game". See also Cam Ward, Sergei Fedorov, Alexander Mogilny. I discussed this him, but it seems like his justification is the prior inclusion of all time career rankings at articles like Joe Sakic. TerminalPreppie ( talk) 13:00, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
TerminalPreppie and ChakaKong are possible that same user and I think we should have an IP check. ChakaKong registers the day after TerminalPreppie last edits and is editing the same pages in the same manner? sounds like another Sockpuppet. You can't pick and chose what's encyclopedic on your own basis, you HAVE to follow wikipedia policy and discuss on talk pages rather than forcing your own POV's on everyone else. See " List of career achievements by Wayne Gretzky" - This page could violate many of the polices, such as "indiscriminate collection of information and guidelines". If you allow things like this on many other hockey players pages, like stats in first placings, you need a unified code for all pages, not just cherry picking some.
Also somehow, TerminalPreppie/ChakaKong thinks saying a players hair color and eyes, and a quote from a respected author is not notable, and the author is just "some guy". That shows some collusion and careless/bias editing, which is against Wikipedia regulations.
Most of the stats on here aren't even from the "hockey reference", so maybe you should re-evaluate your credentials here. Very very suspicious editing going on here between TerminalPreppie and ChakaKong. Let's get an investigation going. Funny how ChakaKong edits the SAME pages and registers the Day After TerminalPreppie last edit and on the Same pages, with the same issues? and he's already an expert? Wikipedia is about getting more opinions on the "actual legal wiki defintions" - 2 users is not a consensus, not even close. They allow these types of stats on players pages, but not certain players? Doesn't work that way here on wikipedia. Civility will get you further. Show me hard-coded defintion(s) saying "Exactly" what you are claiming, because from what I've read extensivley, you are allowed notable stats (like seasons-1st placings stats/all time stats), but not every little stat like "35th Place" like in Joe Sakics etc. You could say all-time positions not in the Top5 are not notable/ are notable by the wikipedia definitions stated. The policies are there and if you know how to read properly, examine it and come back with a proper, detailed explanations. HonestopL 1:11, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
I have now removed stats associated with the "hockey reference" from the Fedorov page because I will agree it needs better sources, which I will try to find at a later date. But removing (1st placings) which are listed on the NHL.com and other reputable sources, are inline with wiki policy, as are quotes with proper sourcing, as with autobiographical information.\ HonestopL 1:46, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
That being said, no one is claiming that hockey-reference.com is an inaccurate source. We are claiming that it compiles or invents many statistics not widely recognized by the hockey world, and which aren't reflected by the NHL's own stats, by the print media, or on other notable stat collation sites such as hockeydb.com. As far as our long term consensus as to what stats to recognize on player pages? We are under no onus to prove to you that such stats aren't generally accepted. It is up to you to demonstrate that they are. Ravenswing 07:14, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
Ravenswing, please talk to me with respect please. I'm speaking of "TerminalPreppie/ChakaKong", I never condemned everyone, so don't try and put words in my mouth. "Resolute and I each joined Wikipedia several years before you did and have many thousands of edits more than you've managed." That may be, but you have to follow Wikipedia Policy, not your owns set of beliefs.
And I already said, I agree with you and I removed the "Hockey Reference sources and entry's".
But again, can't pick and chose what's encyclopedic on your own basis, you HAVE to follow wikipedia policy and discuss on talk pages rather than forcing your own POV. See " List of career achievements by Wayne Gretzky" - This page could violate many of the polices, such as "indiscriminate collection of information and guidelines".
If you allow things like this on many other hockey players pages, like stats in first placings, you need a unified code for all pages, not just cherry picking some. HonestopL 3:18, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
You know what, go ahead and ruin good pages :) you guys cry like little babies here and edit under multiple accounts by-passing IP checks, and make up your own rules. That's okay :) Cause in real life, I have a beautiful girl, amazing friends, popular, good looking and have a great life that I wouldn't trade with anyone! But you guys sit on wikipedia fighting and ganging up with others - you guys are pathetic lol no wonder you guys sit on here all the time fighting lol I pray to God you dudes get real a life! HonestopL 15:49, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
To be fair, referring to him as a "stats creep" in the title of this discussion probably didn't help things. It's no wonder that he reacted with hostility when this discussion started out with an insult. -- Scorpion 0422 23:37, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
Some vindictive/revenge editing at [Bobby Orr]. ʘ alaney2k ʘ ( talk) 02:19, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
I realise that some of us have dealt with this from the last lockout, but keep in mind that for NHL players signing with European teams, make sure that it is a confirmed signing, and sourced. Especially in the first few days here, with everyone going everywhere and rumours of them going somewhere else. Just a heads up for everyone. Kaiser matias ( talk) 20:44, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
I did this last year at the start of the season, and felt it would be interesting to do it again. I've listed each NHL team by number of GA, FA or FL articles, even if a player appeared in only one game for said team. Looking at the stats, it seems we have slowed down considerably in the last year with the GA+ articles. Notably, our Vancouver contingent is slacking off. ;) Even my own editing, with eight Flames-related GAs and a couple others, is under last year's work. Though my excuse is that I have increased focus on non-hockey articles in the last year. I've included the increase in each team's total since last year. With the exception of one Atlanta Thrashers FL, all of the increases are biographical good articles:
Team | BioFA | BioGA | GenFA | GenGA | TFA | TGA | FL | Total | Increase | |||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Vancouver Canucks | 5 | 37 | 0 | 1 | 5 | 38 | 2 | 45 | +2 | |||
Calgary Flames | 2 | 22 | 2 | 7 | 4 | 29 | 5 | 38 | +8 | |||
New York Rangers | 4 | 14 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 14 | 2 | 20 | +2 | |||
Florida Panthers | 1 | 14 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 14 | 2 | 17 | +3 | |||
Montreal Canadiens | 4 | 9 | 1 | 1 | 5 | 10 | 1 | 16 | +2 | |||
Toronto Maple Leafs | 1 | 13 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 14 | 1 | 16 | +2 | |||
New York Islanders | 3 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 8 | 3 | 14 | — | |||
Chicago Blackhawks | 3 | 9 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 9 | 2 | 14 | +2 | |||
New Jersey Devils | 1 | 8 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 8 | 3 | 13 | +1 | |||
Detroit Red Wings | 2 | 7 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 7 | 2 | 11 | +2 | |||
Buffalo Sabres | 1 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 1 | 7 | 2 | 10 | — | |||
Boston Bruins | 2 | 7 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 7 | 1 | 10 | +1 | |||
Edmonton Oilers | 3 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 6 | 1 | 10 | +1 | |||
Los Angeles Kings | 1 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 8 | 1 | 10 | +1 | |||
Philadelphia Flyers | 1 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 8 | 1 | 10 | +2 | |||
St. Louis Blues | 3 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 5 | 1 | 9 | +1 | |||
Columbus Blue Jackets | 1 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 6 | 1 | 8 | — | |||
Pittsburgh Penguins | 0 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 7 | 1 | 8 | — | |||
Washington Capitals | 1 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 5 | 2 | 8 | +1 | |||
Ottawa Senators | 2 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 4 | 1 | 7 | — | |||
Tampa Bay Lightning | 1 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 4 | 2 | 7 | — | |||
Anaheim Ducks | 1 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 6 | 0 | 7 | +1 | |||
Colorado Avalanche | 3 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 6 | — | |||
San Jose Sharks | 0 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 5 | 1 | 6 | +1 | |||
Dallas Stars | 0 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 6 | 0 | 6 | +2 | |||
Atlanta Thrashers | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 2 | 5 | +1 | |||
Phoenix Coyotes | 0 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 0 | 4 | — | |||
Quebec Nordiques | 1 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 3 | 0 | 4 | — | |||
Montreal Maroons | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 3 | — | |||
Nashville Predators | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 3 | — | |||
Ottawa Senators (old) | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 3 | — | |||
Winnipeg Jets | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 3 | +1 | |||
Carolina Hurricanes | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | — | |||
New York Americans | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | — | |||
Minnesota Wild | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | +1 | |||
Hartford Whalers | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | — | |||
Minnesota North Stars | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | — | |||
Montreal Wanderers | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | — | |||
Quebec Bulldogs | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | — | |||
St. Louis Eagles | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | — | |||
Atlanta Flames | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | +1 | |||
Colorado Rockies | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | +1 |
It is worth noting that there are five articles currently queued up for GA reviews: 2011–12 Washington Capitals season, 2011–12 Columbus Blue Jackets season, Brett Hull (Cgy, Stl, Dal, Det, Phx) Brad McCrimmon (Bos, Phi, Cgy, Det, Hfd, Phx) and Paul Henderson (Det, Tor, AtlF). We have not had a new Featured Article promoted since last year, though Kaiser matias is currently trying to fix that with Hobey Baker. Reso lute 00:47, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
Both
Battle of Quebec and
Battle of Ontario have been moved to the team-team rivalry naming convention with out any discussion. My understanding was that the battle of name was a more specific and more often used terminology when describing both of the rivalries rather than the team team naming convention so they should be at the Battle of name. I did some quick Google checks below.
Battle of Ontario (49,800,000) vs. Maple Leafs-Senators Rivalry (355,000)
Battle of Quebec ice hockey (5,640,000) vs. Canadiens Nordiques rivalry (56,700)
Shouldn't these be moved back to their original names? --
Mo Rock...Monstrous
(leech44) 06:35, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
See here. General discussion about the appropriateness of our notability criteria, with particular focus on how well our subject notability guideline meshes with WP:GNG. Also a focus on if the "100 pro games in a minor league" criterion is appropriate. I would invite and ask all interested editors to add their opinions. Thanks, Reso lute 01:23, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
Please see Talk:Saskatoon Sheiks#Requested move. Giant Snowman 16:45, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
As some of you may know, we have three articles on hockey players named Sean Collins, two of which were born in 1983 which makes disambiguation problematic. Currently, the articles are titled
The problem I'm trying to solve is that using "Sean P. Collins" is not an acceptable solution because nobody else calls him that. In fact I'm not even sure what the P stands for. He's listed as Sean Collins on hockeydb, on nhl.com, on eliteprospects, on tsn.com, on the website of his current team (Connecticut Whale) and so on. I'm pretty sure that the overwhelming majority of fans doesn't know his middle initial and as far we know the other two Sean Collins may also have a middle name that starts with P. The article was briefly first moved to Sean Collins (ice hockey b. Oct. 1983) by Dolovis and a couple of days later to Sean P. Collins by Djsasso with the rationale "We don't go as far as months in disambiguation. We find more clear means first." As I explained, the current situation isn't clear. And while it's true that we don't disambiguate by month, I think this is mostly due to the incredibly low probability of finding two notable people with the same job born on the same year. I'm proposing two solutions which I think would be superior to the current one. The first exploits the fact that the two 1983s play different positions.
The second solution is the one implemented by Dolovis. Yes, it's clunky to have the months but it's better than using a phantom initial
Obviously I'm very much open to other suggestions. Pichpich ( talk) 00:52, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
We have this handy template ({{ NHL Labour Relations}}, but I'm thinking there should be a catch-all article for the history of NHL labor negotiations which would summarize all preceding negotiations (I'm sure there must've been other labor-related issues prior to 1992), strikes, and lockouts, and detail the ongoing negotiations as well (I don't know whether or not there's enough to build a separate article on yet, but I would really like to see a detailed chronicle of this - the 2012–13 NHL season article covers it a little, but barely). Jmj713 ( talk) 02:55, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
This would be some useful statistics to add to the labor relations overview article. Jmj713 ( talk) 23:30, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
So I know everyone's probably depressed about the lockout, but what about going ahead with a History of NHL labour relations article? There were quite a few interesting events brought up in the discussion above that I wasn't even aware of, so I'm hopeful that the more knowledgeable editors in this area (Alaney, Resolute) would go ahead with such an article. I would really like to see it, and of course I'll collaborate to the best of my own abilities. It's always preferable, in my opinion, to have a good and well-researched overview article than have its components strewn about random articles. This is a fairly important topic, especially now, and it would benefit a lot of readers to get a good sense of history about how we got here. Jmj713 ( talk) 17:26, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
In advance of what seems inevitable, I have created a sandbox copy of a lockout article at User:Resolute/2012 NHL lockout. It is just at a rudimentary point for now, and while I may add more over the next couple days, I invite anyone else interested to work on and expand it. Also, since I will be offline most of the weekend, anyone can feel free to move it to mainspace once the lockout is called. Reso lute 22:43, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Good examples to follow with this lockout would be 2011 NBA lockout and 2011 NFL lockout. Jmj713 ( talk) 05:15, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
While on the topic; How about implementing a field in the infobox for lockout team? Right now many lockout players playing overseas have their european team listed as their prospects team. — KRM ( Communicate!) 23:20, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
I have recently been replying to questions about user accessibility when it come to the NHL templates (like {{ Ottawa Senators}} were the color does not meet our policy for partially or fully color blind people (see policy at WP:CONTRAST and WP:NAVBOXCOLOR). There is also a concern about hiding links by way of colors ( Like white links at {{ Toronto Maple Leafs}}) - we should never impede user accessibility by way of recognition of links to have nice colors as per WP:Link color and WP:CONTRAST "Links should clearly be identifiable as links to readers". I see this may be a monumental task to have to fix all the templates - but following basic accessibility policy is something all projects should strive for. Moxy ( talk) 21:35, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
I saw the discussion previously about the reformat of the navboxs and after reading this thread I decided to do a rough run, located here, of the current NHL teams to see what they would look like. Fell free to leave comments on if I got something wrong. I took all the colors for the borders directly from the team pages and used the 2 primary colors that are associated with the teams. B2project ( talk) 01:43, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
Done with all defunct/relocated teams. Wanted to do a one last check to see if everything looks good before implementing the changes. B2project ( talk) 23:42, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
There is no reason to be locked into one style or another, though consistency across all 30+ teams is definitely desirable, so I'm afraid you're not likely to win the argument on that basis, CASportsFan. However, there's no reason why we need to use the colour combination we do on that template. Or perhaps we should get rid of the border around row headers. I'd say rather than bicker, lets look at what makes that template look so ugly, and try to find ways to fix it that also achieve the accessibility concerns that led to the current format. Reso lute 20:40, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
This has gone WAY TOO FAR. Now we're diluting the team's color identities on UBXes just to placate a SMALL MINORITY (less than 1 percent of Wikipedians). As Mark Twain said about censorship, that is like "telling a grown man he can't have a steak because a baby can't chew it." Tom Danson ( talk) 21:41, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
I wanted to make sure I was using the correct team colors so I just used all of the team logos and took the color codes directly off of them. I haven't changed them on their official template yet but they are listed on the original sandbox I was using before. Some of them (that I originally took from the teams Wiki page) were completely off. They should match the logos much better now. B2Project (Talk) 08:30, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
These articles seem to be about the same person. -- Mika1h ( talk) 12:48, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed some datas are missing about U.S. ice hockey players. My free trial 14 days (ancestry) is running out and I found quite all the U.S. soccer player.
These are the pages I found:
back from Southampton with S.S. Mongolia 13 may 1920:
S.S. New York, 22 may 1920
Hope these useful to complete your records.-- Nipas ( talk) 22:57, 24 October 2012 (UTC)