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has been nominated for deletion. Come on over and participate in the discussion. ...William 15:45, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Is there a WP standard anywhere, as in an MOS, for listing a thoroughbred's age according to its January 1 date of its birth year? For example, St Nicholas Abbey's listing here. Thank you. — Wylie pedia 10:14, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
Joshua_Tree_(horse). Notable enough? Montanabw (talk) 09:35, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
or top three finishers articles in general. They're categorized in much the same way as the articles on the races themselves. It shouldn't be like that. The Woodward Stakes is a sporting event established in 1954 and a Grade 1 horse race, the top three article isn't. I'm going to create a Grade 1 horse race top three finishers category and recategorize these article. I won't start work on it till Monday, after I take part in Catholic Men's retreat this weekend. Feel free to comment and I'll check back in here before starting work on those articles. ...William 15:54, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
I am at a loss to understand why these top 3 finisher lists actually exist. The winners of races are already included in the race article. If a list of 2nd and 3rd placegetters is deemed notable, there is no reason why this information could not be merged with the existing race article. Cuddy Wifter ( talk) 05:56, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
I'm starting an article for Points Offthebench, and thought it might be DYK-worthy that he won the Eclipse Award posthumously. Trying to think of any precedents the only one's I could come up with were Ruffian and Go For Wand. Anyone know of any others? Tigerboy1966 19:59, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
The usage of Octagonal ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is under discussion, see talk:Octagonal -- 70.50.148.248 ( talk) 07:47, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
The usage of Apollo Eleven ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is under discussion, see talk:Apollo Eleven -- 70.50.148.248 ( talk) 08:14, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
User 70.50.148.248, you've been very, very busy requesting article moves and making a lot of edits to horse racing articles. I suggest you would be well advised to create a user name which would facilitate your wikignoming work. Unless, of course, you are not a new wikipedian. Just saying. Montanabw (talk) 19:46, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
I know this isn't a racehorse, but you guys are the gurus. How inbred is this horse to his ancestor Negatiw? Is 3x4x4x4 the correct way to show this? And in the cosmic scheme of things, how MUCH inbreeding would you folks view this horse as having? (@ Tigerboy1966: and @ Froggerlaura:) Montanabw (talk) 06:10, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
Anyone here interested in providing a peer review on another race horse article I hope to take to FAC: Mucho Macho Man. I need both horsey and non-horsey eyes on this to see where I may need to improve the article. Please feel free to give it a very critical eye; I will most certainly get a critical eye at FAC and would prefer to fix any obvious problems before I get there. The peer review request is here: Wikipedia:Peer review/Mucho Macho Man/archive1 . Thanks! Montanabw (talk) 21:19, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
Please refer to Special:Contributions/JockeyColours
I posted the following message to User:JockeyColours:
Could you please stop any further additions of jockey colour images for 1, 2, & 3 to existing horse racing articles. Before anyone starts to make changes to multiple articles it is normal practice to explain on the Talk page what your intentions are and to seek the opinions of other members of the project.
Please reply on the Talk page. Thank you. Cuddy Wifter ( talk) 07:37, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
I'm sorry if my editing of these pages caused offence. As a newcomer it is not necessarily easy to know what should and shouldn't be done. Now I have been told!
My intention was to add a bit of colour to these pages. Surely not a bad thing?
I have started with 2013 and planned to add 2014 as and when the results come in this week.
If I could find the motivation, and especially if there was any enthusiasm from others, I would continue to add previous years - gets much harder going back more than 8 years as I don't have the data at my fingertips.
JockeyColours.com is my website. Promoting the website was not my goal, but if people are interested in horse racing colours then I hope they will visit!
JockeyColours ( talk) 07:57, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
Moving forwards I would like to complete the upload of 2014 Cheltenham colours and then perhaps extend backwards to cover (maybe) the last 5 years. After that I could perhaps move on to Aintree and Punchestown? My personal view is that the jockey silks are very evocative and bring back memories of the race in a way that simply listing the winner cannot. I therefore hope that you will agree to include them on the Horse Racing pages where appropriate. ( JockeyColours ( talk) 08:18, 14 March 2014 (UTC))
I have experimented with image sizes to get them to display better in the pages, but it seems that the width of a thumbnail is fixed and so will never align with the "infobox" above it. Regarding the point made by Bcp67 about extra space appearing on the page, I have discovered that this relates to use of either 1) the 4 hyphens (draws line across the page - now deprecated) or 2) the "clear" tag . Removing these is not detrimental to the appearance of the content, but means that the right column of images does not impact the text on the left.
Good work around these colours, they have brightened up various article pages, and the addition of the 1-2-3s to race histories is useful too. -- Bcp67 ( talk) 11:40, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
I my be getting forgetful or going a bit mad but... I could have sworn that the background colour for the "horsename" and "major wins" headings on the racehorse/thoroughbred racehorse infobox used to be green. Today it's all gone tan, which I thought was for dirt horses only. Tigerboy1966 21:50, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
For those interested, Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Mucho Macho Man/archive1. I co-nominated the FAC adding @ Tigerboy1966: and @ Froggerlaura:, who also worked on this article. Montanabw (talk) 19:49, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
If anyone wants to comment, /info/en/?search=Template_talk:Infobox_racehorse#New.2Fchanged_parameters.3F please do! Montanabw (talk) 07:58, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
Is there a sports guideline for horse racing? There is a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(sports)#Horse_racing regarding horse racing notability that you are invited to join.— Bagumba ( talk) 20:27, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
We have been working on one, see
Wikipedia:WikiProject_Horse_racing/Notability. I'll go comment though...
Montanabw
(talk) 02:03, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
Hey all, I put up Oxbow (horse) for TFA on May 17 - Preakness day. I credited { [ping|Tigerboy 1966}}, @ Craiglduncan:, @ Froggerlaura: too, so pinging y'all. Was in a bit of a quandary which image to use, so posted two possibles, would value folks here (including my co-conspirators) commenting on that as well as the nomination itself. Thanks! Montanabw (talk) 01:28, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Due to Kingman's victory today I have created him a page. I moved the original article to this page Kingman (American horse). Not sure if this is Ok let me know if not -- Neroyak ( talk) 19:37, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
--Apologies for jumping in but I was very surprised that an article on Kingman didn't exist and I have not edited Wikipedia for years so was unaware of protocols. The Kentucky derby winning Kingman article is a stub and contains no information on his stud career or if he even stood at stud. I believe the Greenham winning Kingman is already a much more famous horse and deserves the page title "Kingman (horse)". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neroyak ( talk • contribs) 22:15, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
User:Neroyak, no need for your apology - they were good faith edits on your part, and welcome back to Wiki. I agree that the modern edition of Kingman is worth an article, his notability is established by pattern race wins at two and three, and in three weeks' time he might be a Classic winner, so I'd be happy enough to have the new article moved into article space as soon as it's ready to go there - once we've all agreed on the name! -- Bcp67 ( talk) 08:14, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
User:Montanabw I like the idea for a dab page but believe this horse should have an article now. He is favourite for the 2000 guineas and has a lot of interest surrounding him. The past 3 winners of the race have all had articles before winning the race. -- Neroyak ( talk) 16:14, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
I don't think we need a further dab for the two horses, there is already a general dab page for Kingman with the US horse listed on it. The British horse can be added there. -- Bcp67 ( talk) 09:38, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
If Kingfisher (British horse) wins the Derby, we'll be doing this all over again! -- Bcp67 ( talk) 19:52, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
Right sorry to bring this up again but Kingman (British horse) has now won 3 group 1 races (possibly 4 this time tomorrow.) Is he now worthy of the page Kingman (horse) with the Kentucky derby winner moved to another title? Neroyak ( talk) 22:58, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm looking to start up an article on the trainer Richard Hannon, who will be one of the leading trainers in Britain this year. Hannon took over the licence from his father, also Richard Hannon, in January. While he was his father's assistant he was commonly referred to as "Richard Hannon junior", but I've noticed that the media are simply calling him Richard Hannon now, which is fair enough. Not sure how to disambiguate the two though - separate articles for Snr (a move) & Jnr, with a dab page? Leave the father where he is and style the son's article Richard Hannon, Jr. etc? Dab them both by year of birth? Any suggestions gratefully received, thanks! -- Bcp67 ( talk) 09:12, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Great work, User:Peaky76, thanks for that. I've fixed a few links and will do some more when I get time. -- Bcp67 ( talk) 20:23, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
I'm having a go at tidying up the article steeplechase. It's something of a mish-mash and as far as I can tell it's because the term is used differently in different countries (I'm UK). As far as I can make out US and Australian "Steeplechasing" is synonymous with UK and Ireland "National Hunt racing" (without the NH flat). US Steeplechasing then subdivides into "hurdle" and "timber", while UK and Ireland NH racing subdivides into "hurdle" and "steeplechase". So, what we have is an article that our UK and Ireland users think refers to a subdivision of "jumps" racing, while users in the rest of the world think it refers to the whole of "jumps racing". Does that sound right? If so, I am not sure what can be done. My instinct would be to restrict this article to a broad description of steeplechase (within the historic context of racing between steeples etc.) then, for modern usage, point people to separate articles depending on the country. Thoughts? Peaky76 ( talk) 16:43, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
I have proposed a merge of starting barrier and starting gate. See /info/en/?search=Talk:Starting_gate. Seeking the greater consensus, and to encourage discussion, I'm a Yank, so if no comment in 7 days, i'm merging it into the US version (grinning, ducking and running...). Montanabw (talk) 00:48, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi all - Just a very polite ping to various trusted editors and my talk page stalkers: on Derby Day (Saturday, May 3) can you please help keep an eye on a recent GA that I've worked on, California Chrome? The horse is the favorite for the race, already has a rabid fan base, the "Chromies" (in a good way, mostly) but the article is already getting anon IP edits from people who are making random odd edits. I have meticulously sourced this article and if there are errors, they are in the sources consulted (or at least my interpretation of them) and, while of course any article can be improved, anyone changing material needs different/better sources to correct errors and not just put in random rants (which is what one anon IP just did, phooey). I think everyone around here knows the drill, but... thanks in advance. I'm driving back home that day and will be on the road about 7 hours, I'm hoping I can at least catch the race itself in a cafe or something along the way, I won't likely have internet access during the race itself and other eyes will be much appreciated, thanks! Montanabw (talk) 06:16, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
Someone, not a regular here, started Lucky Pulpit. Hooray for them, but the article is a stub and needs the standard cleanup. Thanks to anyone who wants to take a mop over there and some polish. Montanabw (talk) 03:42, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
Hope I haven't trodden on anyone's toes here but I have moved the original Track surface article to Going (horse racing) (which is also redirected to from Track condition and Track rating). The material in that original article was all about grading of the surface (good, heavy, fast etc.), not about the actual surface (dirt, turf, artificial etc.) I needed an article about the latter so that I could link to it from the main horse racing page, and this move seemed the most appropriate way of doing it. I would ideally like to expand the track surface article with sections on each of the different types (which can then possibly link to main articles on those types). I would also like to include a section on grading of the surface, but at the moment I have just linked to it in the body of the text and via a 'see also' link. I have also proposed a merger from a related synthetic surfaces article (see Talk:Track_surface). I see User:Tigerboy1966 did a lot of the work on that article, so would especially appreciate his thoughts... Peaky76 ( talk) 17:49, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
By the way, must admit to slight UK bias when moving article to Going (horse racing) but also thought it was probably the more historic term. Peaky76 ( talk) 17:49, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi all, note Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2014 May 7. We have four horse race infobox templates, Andy Mabbett @ Pigsonthewing: is suggesting we merge them all into one. I personally think this is a great idea, and I recommended using {{ Infobox horse race}} as the "master." Anyone have other suggestions or thoughts ought to, er, um, gallop over there and do so. Might be a minor US/UK English thing, which is not a huge big deal to me, but might be to someone else. Montanabw (talk) 16:52, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
Hey all, another mission should you choose to accept it: can you watchlist Oxbow (horse), which will be TFA on 2014 Preakness Stakes day (May 17, evening of the 16th in the USA), and I anticipate possible vandal problems there because the horse's jockey and trainer are both being targeted by PETA for some unfortunate "campfire talk" caught on tape last year. Thanks! Montanabw (talk) 22:19, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
You folks in the UK may be particularly interested in this discussion: Wikipedia_talk:In_the_news/Recurring_items#Aye or, um, neigh? and the subsections under it on the Epsom Derby and Breeders' Cup. Montanabw (talk) 16:43, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
I've created a fairly bare article for the upcoming race, feel free to edit it if you like. -- Bcp67 ( talk) 09:24, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
Thanks all, Oxbow got off relatively unscathed. Thanks for the eyes on the California Chrome article, which just got 35K hits today and the day isn't over in the US yet...Our biggest problem this time was a not-quite-newbie who should have known better thinking she could go in and try to rewrite the whole article right in the middle of the vandal hit period. Wanted to scream and strangle her. Took me about an hour to get it all straightened out. Grrr! Montanabw (talk) 03:00, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
Your comments/input would be useful here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/William Beasley. Montanabw (talk) 03:20, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
I'm looking for some assistance please. I won't be around after the weekend for a week or so - would the project members be able to keep the European race results up to date during the week so I haven't got a backlog to come back to? I can sort the references from the RP and any redlinks on talk pages, but if the results could be kept up to date I'll be grateful, thanks. -- Bcp67 ( talk) 19:23, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
Just wondering, seems I've seen this editor before, but it's a brand new account: ?. Montanabw (talk) 18:09, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
Final had some time to write the article. Hope it's ok. I've found the owner colours and added them to the info box but think they are a bit big can some who knows how to shrink them down a bit do so and see if it looks any better?-- Neroyak ( talk) 12:28, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
Just saying! Put on your vandal hats and get ready to rock and roll! Montanabw (talk) 16:26, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
This article may be deleted because of copyright issues. Do any project members have experience in this area? If so, please take a look. Tigerboy1966 06:22, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
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What source was used to say that Ruffian was "officially black"? I only ask because I've never seen any official source that listed her as anything other than dark bay/brown. (And I hope I'm asking this in the right place.) Weegeek
After a recent request, I added WikiProject Horse racing to the list of projects to compile monthly pageview stats for. The data is the same used by http://stats.grok.se/en/ but the program is different, and includes the aggregate views from all redirects to each page. The stats are at Wikipedia:WikiProject Horse racing/Popular pages.
The page will be updated monthly with new data. The edits aren't marked as bot edits, so they will show up in watchlists. You can view more results, request a new project be added to the list, or request a configuration change for this project using the Tool Labs tool. If you have any comments or suggestions, please let me know. Thanks! Mr. Z-man 19:03, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
Nominated Chrome for FAC today, FYI: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/California Chrome/archive1. Grab your popcorn and watch the show. Knowledgeable horse people encouraged to watchlist and comment as they see fit, particularly if there is a need to explain horse stuff. I also welcome any of you as a reviewer if you haven't been one of the significant contributors already! Montanabw (talk) 22:52, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
Hi WikiProject, I happened upon Hollywood Dun It while working on another editing project. There was some content on the page under Pedigree that looked like an abandoned attempt to build a family tree. I converted the content as best as I could using Template:Pedigree, but I can't figure out how to suppress the blank fields from displaying, so I wonder if I did more harm than good. Thought I'd drop by to mention it in case someone cared to flesh out the tree, or if there's a simple fix I'm not aware of. I know nothing of the world of horseracing. :) Thanks, Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 18:13, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
{{
pedigree}}
always draws columns for four generations. As you may have observed, if you specify e.g. |mmmm=
and leave it blank, you get a blank cell; but if you omit |mmmm=
entirely, it shows {{{mmmm}}} in that position. It's the same for all the parameters. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 18:57, 25 July 2014 (UTC)Though not the perfect source because it sometimes has errors, but you can usually get the rest of the pedigree to fill in at albreedpedigree.com. See http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/hollywood+dun+it Montanabw (talk) 21:15, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
Horseracing appeals to me as much as Commonwealth Netball, but it seems strange that there's no article about Ballybrit Racecourse. Will create a stub. that is all Bogger ( talk) 15:05, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Those better than I at creating new articles may want to lend this person a hand: Moonviper. Montanabw (talk) 17:54, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
The pages for Epsom Derby and Epsom Oaks have been moved without discussion today. Consensus in August 2010 was for the Derby page to stay as Epsom Derby - discussion might need revisiting. I won't revert the moves, pending discussion, but it is an option. Any comments at the respective article talk pages, please. -- Bcp67 ( talk) 15:31, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
I prod tagged some articles today, all started by the same person a few years ago and all, IMHO, non-notable. I have no particular axe to grind here, so am posting in case I got over eager with the prod tag: they are Bambera (horse), Nereid (horse), Mildly Offensive (horse), and Motega. Montanabw (talk) 19:38, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej ( talk) 22:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
There's an informal article improvement drive on for Florence Nagle. See more comments at talk page and also here. I'm trotting over to lend a hand, this gal sounds like a great subject! Montanabw (talk) 22:40, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
...in need of eyes of those with access to old statistics at their fingertips! @ Froggerlaura:, @ Tigerboy1966:: Florence Nagle and Norah Wilmot; two very cool people! Montanabw (talk) 20:44, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
This is a notice about Category:Horse racing articles needing expert attention, which might be of interest to your WikiProject. It will take a while before the category is populated. Iceblock ( talk) 20:33, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
I've made a request to move the name of the article ( Yellowglen Stakes) to the registered race name (Linlithgow Stakes) of the race. Explanation is give in the Talk:Yellowglen Stakes. Can some admin look into moving this? Brudder Andrusha ( talk) 03:18, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
I propose to add a Day of Week column to List_of_British_flat_horse_races and other "List of races" pages.
The festivals have well-defined daily structures, but the smaller meetings do too (Haldon Gold Cup on Tuesday, Carlisle Bell on Wednesday) and these often reflect the character and tradition of the racing.
In some instances, the DOW will need to be a Day of Year e.g. the King George on Boxing Day, Fairlawne on New Year's Day
Can anyone suggest UK/Ireland/France races which don't have an implicit DOW or DOY?
I feel this extra column will fit well into the existing structure, and also provide an extra dimension making the pages more informative and interesting.
( JockeyColours ( talk) 21:13, 11 November 2014 (UTC))
I have just hit a motherlode of free-licensed images on Flickr of races in the UK, Ireland and Australia (over a dozen albums, including some labeled "2013 Melbourne Cup", "2,000 Guineas", and "Cheltenhaam Festival 2014") I have figured out the flickr2commons tool and within the next hour or so of this post, I will probably have a couple hundred images uploaded to Commons, some of which will be of use to those of you across the Atlantic and Pacific ponds. The categories may be wonky due to the flickr import, but you should be able to thumbnail them via my contribs list at Commons and probably in category "thoroughbred". Saw a photo or two of Australia (horse) in there too. Also have some from Tokyo and Kyoto, but may not upload those... @ Tigerboy1966: and all others! Montanabw (talk) 04:52, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
The Welsh National has reverted to its traditional name of Welsh Grand National, as did the Scottish equivalent a few years ago. Not sure why the races were re-titled back in the 1970s but think it might have had something to with Aintree holding some sort of copyright to "Grand National" in the UK. Anyway, I've put up an RM at Talk:Welsh National if anyone would like to add their thoughts. Thanks. -- Bcp67 ( talk) 07:29, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
I'm not a great expert on US races, but it looks like the Hollywood Futurity needs a move and some re-writing to take account of its switch to Los Alamitos Futurity. Does this need a requested move or is it straightforward enough for a simple move - any thoughts? -- Bcp67 ( talk) 20:29, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
I've moved the Hollywood Futurity today to the new title, but I'd appreciate some US eyes to check that the details look OK - I'm rather more at home on the rainy and muddy jump tracks of the UK than the sunshine of California. For which reason, I won't be pursuing changing any of the other race moves from Hollywood Park, not for the moment anyway. Looked a straightforward move and the ref cited from the Bloodhorse.com confirmed that this is a continuation of the original race. -- Bcp67 ( talk) 09:08, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
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has been nominated for deletion. Come on over and participate in the discussion. ...William 15:45, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Is there a WP standard anywhere, as in an MOS, for listing a thoroughbred's age according to its January 1 date of its birth year? For example, St Nicholas Abbey's listing here. Thank you. — Wylie pedia 10:14, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
Joshua_Tree_(horse). Notable enough? Montanabw (talk) 09:35, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
or top three finishers articles in general. They're categorized in much the same way as the articles on the races themselves. It shouldn't be like that. The Woodward Stakes is a sporting event established in 1954 and a Grade 1 horse race, the top three article isn't. I'm going to create a Grade 1 horse race top three finishers category and recategorize these article. I won't start work on it till Monday, after I take part in Catholic Men's retreat this weekend. Feel free to comment and I'll check back in here before starting work on those articles. ...William 15:54, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
I am at a loss to understand why these top 3 finisher lists actually exist. The winners of races are already included in the race article. If a list of 2nd and 3rd placegetters is deemed notable, there is no reason why this information could not be merged with the existing race article. Cuddy Wifter ( talk) 05:56, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
I'm starting an article for Points Offthebench, and thought it might be DYK-worthy that he won the Eclipse Award posthumously. Trying to think of any precedents the only one's I could come up with were Ruffian and Go For Wand. Anyone know of any others? Tigerboy1966 19:59, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
The usage of Octagonal ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is under discussion, see talk:Octagonal -- 70.50.148.248 ( talk) 07:47, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
The usage of Apollo Eleven ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is under discussion, see talk:Apollo Eleven -- 70.50.148.248 ( talk) 08:14, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
User 70.50.148.248, you've been very, very busy requesting article moves and making a lot of edits to horse racing articles. I suggest you would be well advised to create a user name which would facilitate your wikignoming work. Unless, of course, you are not a new wikipedian. Just saying. Montanabw (talk) 19:46, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
I know this isn't a racehorse, but you guys are the gurus. How inbred is this horse to his ancestor Negatiw? Is 3x4x4x4 the correct way to show this? And in the cosmic scheme of things, how MUCH inbreeding would you folks view this horse as having? (@ Tigerboy1966: and @ Froggerlaura:) Montanabw (talk) 06:10, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
Anyone here interested in providing a peer review on another race horse article I hope to take to FAC: Mucho Macho Man. I need both horsey and non-horsey eyes on this to see where I may need to improve the article. Please feel free to give it a very critical eye; I will most certainly get a critical eye at FAC and would prefer to fix any obvious problems before I get there. The peer review request is here: Wikipedia:Peer review/Mucho Macho Man/archive1 . Thanks! Montanabw (talk) 21:19, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
Please refer to Special:Contributions/JockeyColours
I posted the following message to User:JockeyColours:
Could you please stop any further additions of jockey colour images for 1, 2, & 3 to existing horse racing articles. Before anyone starts to make changes to multiple articles it is normal practice to explain on the Talk page what your intentions are and to seek the opinions of other members of the project.
Please reply on the Talk page. Thank you. Cuddy Wifter ( talk) 07:37, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
I'm sorry if my editing of these pages caused offence. As a newcomer it is not necessarily easy to know what should and shouldn't be done. Now I have been told!
My intention was to add a bit of colour to these pages. Surely not a bad thing?
I have started with 2013 and planned to add 2014 as and when the results come in this week.
If I could find the motivation, and especially if there was any enthusiasm from others, I would continue to add previous years - gets much harder going back more than 8 years as I don't have the data at my fingertips.
JockeyColours.com is my website. Promoting the website was not my goal, but if people are interested in horse racing colours then I hope they will visit!
JockeyColours ( talk) 07:57, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
Moving forwards I would like to complete the upload of 2014 Cheltenham colours and then perhaps extend backwards to cover (maybe) the last 5 years. After that I could perhaps move on to Aintree and Punchestown? My personal view is that the jockey silks are very evocative and bring back memories of the race in a way that simply listing the winner cannot. I therefore hope that you will agree to include them on the Horse Racing pages where appropriate. ( JockeyColours ( talk) 08:18, 14 March 2014 (UTC))
I have experimented with image sizes to get them to display better in the pages, but it seems that the width of a thumbnail is fixed and so will never align with the "infobox" above it. Regarding the point made by Bcp67 about extra space appearing on the page, I have discovered that this relates to use of either 1) the 4 hyphens (draws line across the page - now deprecated) or 2) the "clear" tag . Removing these is not detrimental to the appearance of the content, but means that the right column of images does not impact the text on the left.
Good work around these colours, they have brightened up various article pages, and the addition of the 1-2-3s to race histories is useful too. -- Bcp67 ( talk) 11:40, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
I my be getting forgetful or going a bit mad but... I could have sworn that the background colour for the "horsename" and "major wins" headings on the racehorse/thoroughbred racehorse infobox used to be green. Today it's all gone tan, which I thought was for dirt horses only. Tigerboy1966 21:50, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
For those interested, Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Mucho Macho Man/archive1. I co-nominated the FAC adding @ Tigerboy1966: and @ Froggerlaura:, who also worked on this article. Montanabw (talk) 19:49, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
If anyone wants to comment, /info/en/?search=Template_talk:Infobox_racehorse#New.2Fchanged_parameters.3F please do! Montanabw (talk) 07:58, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
Is there a sports guideline for horse racing? There is a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(sports)#Horse_racing regarding horse racing notability that you are invited to join.— Bagumba ( talk) 20:27, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
We have been working on one, see
Wikipedia:WikiProject_Horse_racing/Notability. I'll go comment though...
Montanabw
(talk) 02:03, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
Hey all, I put up Oxbow (horse) for TFA on May 17 - Preakness day. I credited { [ping|Tigerboy 1966}}, @ Craiglduncan:, @ Froggerlaura: too, so pinging y'all. Was in a bit of a quandary which image to use, so posted two possibles, would value folks here (including my co-conspirators) commenting on that as well as the nomination itself. Thanks! Montanabw (talk) 01:28, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Due to Kingman's victory today I have created him a page. I moved the original article to this page Kingman (American horse). Not sure if this is Ok let me know if not -- Neroyak ( talk) 19:37, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
--Apologies for jumping in but I was very surprised that an article on Kingman didn't exist and I have not edited Wikipedia for years so was unaware of protocols. The Kentucky derby winning Kingman article is a stub and contains no information on his stud career or if he even stood at stud. I believe the Greenham winning Kingman is already a much more famous horse and deserves the page title "Kingman (horse)". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neroyak ( talk • contribs) 22:15, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
User:Neroyak, no need for your apology - they were good faith edits on your part, and welcome back to Wiki. I agree that the modern edition of Kingman is worth an article, his notability is established by pattern race wins at two and three, and in three weeks' time he might be a Classic winner, so I'd be happy enough to have the new article moved into article space as soon as it's ready to go there - once we've all agreed on the name! -- Bcp67 ( talk) 08:14, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
User:Montanabw I like the idea for a dab page but believe this horse should have an article now. He is favourite for the 2000 guineas and has a lot of interest surrounding him. The past 3 winners of the race have all had articles before winning the race. -- Neroyak ( talk) 16:14, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
I don't think we need a further dab for the two horses, there is already a general dab page for Kingman with the US horse listed on it. The British horse can be added there. -- Bcp67 ( talk) 09:38, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
If Kingfisher (British horse) wins the Derby, we'll be doing this all over again! -- Bcp67 ( talk) 19:52, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
Right sorry to bring this up again but Kingman (British horse) has now won 3 group 1 races (possibly 4 this time tomorrow.) Is he now worthy of the page Kingman (horse) with the Kentucky derby winner moved to another title? Neroyak ( talk) 22:58, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm looking to start up an article on the trainer Richard Hannon, who will be one of the leading trainers in Britain this year. Hannon took over the licence from his father, also Richard Hannon, in January. While he was his father's assistant he was commonly referred to as "Richard Hannon junior", but I've noticed that the media are simply calling him Richard Hannon now, which is fair enough. Not sure how to disambiguate the two though - separate articles for Snr (a move) & Jnr, with a dab page? Leave the father where he is and style the son's article Richard Hannon, Jr. etc? Dab them both by year of birth? Any suggestions gratefully received, thanks! -- Bcp67 ( talk) 09:12, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Great work, User:Peaky76, thanks for that. I've fixed a few links and will do some more when I get time. -- Bcp67 ( talk) 20:23, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
I'm having a go at tidying up the article steeplechase. It's something of a mish-mash and as far as I can tell it's because the term is used differently in different countries (I'm UK). As far as I can make out US and Australian "Steeplechasing" is synonymous with UK and Ireland "National Hunt racing" (without the NH flat). US Steeplechasing then subdivides into "hurdle" and "timber", while UK and Ireland NH racing subdivides into "hurdle" and "steeplechase". So, what we have is an article that our UK and Ireland users think refers to a subdivision of "jumps" racing, while users in the rest of the world think it refers to the whole of "jumps racing". Does that sound right? If so, I am not sure what can be done. My instinct would be to restrict this article to a broad description of steeplechase (within the historic context of racing between steeples etc.) then, for modern usage, point people to separate articles depending on the country. Thoughts? Peaky76 ( talk) 16:43, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
I have proposed a merge of starting barrier and starting gate. See /info/en/?search=Talk:Starting_gate. Seeking the greater consensus, and to encourage discussion, I'm a Yank, so if no comment in 7 days, i'm merging it into the US version (grinning, ducking and running...). Montanabw (talk) 00:48, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi all - Just a very polite ping to various trusted editors and my talk page stalkers: on Derby Day (Saturday, May 3) can you please help keep an eye on a recent GA that I've worked on, California Chrome? The horse is the favorite for the race, already has a rabid fan base, the "Chromies" (in a good way, mostly) but the article is already getting anon IP edits from people who are making random odd edits. I have meticulously sourced this article and if there are errors, they are in the sources consulted (or at least my interpretation of them) and, while of course any article can be improved, anyone changing material needs different/better sources to correct errors and not just put in random rants (which is what one anon IP just did, phooey). I think everyone around here knows the drill, but... thanks in advance. I'm driving back home that day and will be on the road about 7 hours, I'm hoping I can at least catch the race itself in a cafe or something along the way, I won't likely have internet access during the race itself and other eyes will be much appreciated, thanks! Montanabw (talk) 06:16, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
Someone, not a regular here, started Lucky Pulpit. Hooray for them, but the article is a stub and needs the standard cleanup. Thanks to anyone who wants to take a mop over there and some polish. Montanabw (talk) 03:42, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
Hope I haven't trodden on anyone's toes here but I have moved the original Track surface article to Going (horse racing) (which is also redirected to from Track condition and Track rating). The material in that original article was all about grading of the surface (good, heavy, fast etc.), not about the actual surface (dirt, turf, artificial etc.) I needed an article about the latter so that I could link to it from the main horse racing page, and this move seemed the most appropriate way of doing it. I would ideally like to expand the track surface article with sections on each of the different types (which can then possibly link to main articles on those types). I would also like to include a section on grading of the surface, but at the moment I have just linked to it in the body of the text and via a 'see also' link. I have also proposed a merger from a related synthetic surfaces article (see Talk:Track_surface). I see User:Tigerboy1966 did a lot of the work on that article, so would especially appreciate his thoughts... Peaky76 ( talk) 17:49, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
By the way, must admit to slight UK bias when moving article to Going (horse racing) but also thought it was probably the more historic term. Peaky76 ( talk) 17:49, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi all, note Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2014 May 7. We have four horse race infobox templates, Andy Mabbett @ Pigsonthewing: is suggesting we merge them all into one. I personally think this is a great idea, and I recommended using {{ Infobox horse race}} as the "master." Anyone have other suggestions or thoughts ought to, er, um, gallop over there and do so. Might be a minor US/UK English thing, which is not a huge big deal to me, but might be to someone else. Montanabw (talk) 16:52, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
Hey all, another mission should you choose to accept it: can you watchlist Oxbow (horse), which will be TFA on 2014 Preakness Stakes day (May 17, evening of the 16th in the USA), and I anticipate possible vandal problems there because the horse's jockey and trainer are both being targeted by PETA for some unfortunate "campfire talk" caught on tape last year. Thanks! Montanabw (talk) 22:19, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
You folks in the UK may be particularly interested in this discussion: Wikipedia_talk:In_the_news/Recurring_items#Aye or, um, neigh? and the subsections under it on the Epsom Derby and Breeders' Cup. Montanabw (talk) 16:43, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
I've created a fairly bare article for the upcoming race, feel free to edit it if you like. -- Bcp67 ( talk) 09:24, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
Thanks all, Oxbow got off relatively unscathed. Thanks for the eyes on the California Chrome article, which just got 35K hits today and the day isn't over in the US yet...Our biggest problem this time was a not-quite-newbie who should have known better thinking she could go in and try to rewrite the whole article right in the middle of the vandal hit period. Wanted to scream and strangle her. Took me about an hour to get it all straightened out. Grrr! Montanabw (talk) 03:00, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
Your comments/input would be useful here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/William Beasley. Montanabw (talk) 03:20, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
I'm looking for some assistance please. I won't be around after the weekend for a week or so - would the project members be able to keep the European race results up to date during the week so I haven't got a backlog to come back to? I can sort the references from the RP and any redlinks on talk pages, but if the results could be kept up to date I'll be grateful, thanks. -- Bcp67 ( talk) 19:23, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
Just wondering, seems I've seen this editor before, but it's a brand new account: ?. Montanabw (talk) 18:09, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
Final had some time to write the article. Hope it's ok. I've found the owner colours and added them to the info box but think they are a bit big can some who knows how to shrink them down a bit do so and see if it looks any better?-- Neroyak ( talk) 12:28, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
Just saying! Put on your vandal hats and get ready to rock and roll! Montanabw (talk) 16:26, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
This article may be deleted because of copyright issues. Do any project members have experience in this area? If so, please take a look. Tigerboy1966 06:22, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
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What source was used to say that Ruffian was "officially black"? I only ask because I've never seen any official source that listed her as anything other than dark bay/brown. (And I hope I'm asking this in the right place.) Weegeek
After a recent request, I added WikiProject Horse racing to the list of projects to compile monthly pageview stats for. The data is the same used by http://stats.grok.se/en/ but the program is different, and includes the aggregate views from all redirects to each page. The stats are at Wikipedia:WikiProject Horse racing/Popular pages.
The page will be updated monthly with new data. The edits aren't marked as bot edits, so they will show up in watchlists. You can view more results, request a new project be added to the list, or request a configuration change for this project using the Tool Labs tool. If you have any comments or suggestions, please let me know. Thanks! Mr. Z-man 19:03, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
Nominated Chrome for FAC today, FYI: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/California Chrome/archive1. Grab your popcorn and watch the show. Knowledgeable horse people encouraged to watchlist and comment as they see fit, particularly if there is a need to explain horse stuff. I also welcome any of you as a reviewer if you haven't been one of the significant contributors already! Montanabw (talk) 22:52, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
Hi WikiProject, I happened upon Hollywood Dun It while working on another editing project. There was some content on the page under Pedigree that looked like an abandoned attempt to build a family tree. I converted the content as best as I could using Template:Pedigree, but I can't figure out how to suppress the blank fields from displaying, so I wonder if I did more harm than good. Thought I'd drop by to mention it in case someone cared to flesh out the tree, or if there's a simple fix I'm not aware of. I know nothing of the world of horseracing. :) Thanks, Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 18:13, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
{{
pedigree}}
always draws columns for four generations. As you may have observed, if you specify e.g. |mmmm=
and leave it blank, you get a blank cell; but if you omit |mmmm=
entirely, it shows {{{mmmm}}} in that position. It's the same for all the parameters. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 18:57, 25 July 2014 (UTC)Though not the perfect source because it sometimes has errors, but you can usually get the rest of the pedigree to fill in at albreedpedigree.com. See http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/hollywood+dun+it Montanabw (talk) 21:15, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
Horseracing appeals to me as much as Commonwealth Netball, but it seems strange that there's no article about Ballybrit Racecourse. Will create a stub. that is all Bogger ( talk) 15:05, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Those better than I at creating new articles may want to lend this person a hand: Moonviper. Montanabw (talk) 17:54, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
The pages for Epsom Derby and Epsom Oaks have been moved without discussion today. Consensus in August 2010 was for the Derby page to stay as Epsom Derby - discussion might need revisiting. I won't revert the moves, pending discussion, but it is an option. Any comments at the respective article talk pages, please. -- Bcp67 ( talk) 15:31, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
I prod tagged some articles today, all started by the same person a few years ago and all, IMHO, non-notable. I have no particular axe to grind here, so am posting in case I got over eager with the prod tag: they are Bambera (horse), Nereid (horse), Mildly Offensive (horse), and Motega. Montanabw (talk) 19:38, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej ( talk) 22:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
There's an informal article improvement drive on for Florence Nagle. See more comments at talk page and also here. I'm trotting over to lend a hand, this gal sounds like a great subject! Montanabw (talk) 22:40, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
...in need of eyes of those with access to old statistics at their fingertips! @ Froggerlaura:, @ Tigerboy1966:: Florence Nagle and Norah Wilmot; two very cool people! Montanabw (talk) 20:44, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
This is a notice about Category:Horse racing articles needing expert attention, which might be of interest to your WikiProject. It will take a while before the category is populated. Iceblock ( talk) 20:33, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
I've made a request to move the name of the article ( Yellowglen Stakes) to the registered race name (Linlithgow Stakes) of the race. Explanation is give in the Talk:Yellowglen Stakes. Can some admin look into moving this? Brudder Andrusha ( talk) 03:18, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
I propose to add a Day of Week column to List_of_British_flat_horse_races and other "List of races" pages.
The festivals have well-defined daily structures, but the smaller meetings do too (Haldon Gold Cup on Tuesday, Carlisle Bell on Wednesday) and these often reflect the character and tradition of the racing.
In some instances, the DOW will need to be a Day of Year e.g. the King George on Boxing Day, Fairlawne on New Year's Day
Can anyone suggest UK/Ireland/France races which don't have an implicit DOW or DOY?
I feel this extra column will fit well into the existing structure, and also provide an extra dimension making the pages more informative and interesting.
( JockeyColours ( talk) 21:13, 11 November 2014 (UTC))
I have just hit a motherlode of free-licensed images on Flickr of races in the UK, Ireland and Australia (over a dozen albums, including some labeled "2013 Melbourne Cup", "2,000 Guineas", and "Cheltenhaam Festival 2014") I have figured out the flickr2commons tool and within the next hour or so of this post, I will probably have a couple hundred images uploaded to Commons, some of which will be of use to those of you across the Atlantic and Pacific ponds. The categories may be wonky due to the flickr import, but you should be able to thumbnail them via my contribs list at Commons and probably in category "thoroughbred". Saw a photo or two of Australia (horse) in there too. Also have some from Tokyo and Kyoto, but may not upload those... @ Tigerboy1966: and all others! Montanabw (talk) 04:52, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
The Welsh National has reverted to its traditional name of Welsh Grand National, as did the Scottish equivalent a few years ago. Not sure why the races were re-titled back in the 1970s but think it might have had something to with Aintree holding some sort of copyright to "Grand National" in the UK. Anyway, I've put up an RM at Talk:Welsh National if anyone would like to add their thoughts. Thanks. -- Bcp67 ( talk) 07:29, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
I'm not a great expert on US races, but it looks like the Hollywood Futurity needs a move and some re-writing to take account of its switch to Los Alamitos Futurity. Does this need a requested move or is it straightforward enough for a simple move - any thoughts? -- Bcp67 ( talk) 20:29, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
I've moved the Hollywood Futurity today to the new title, but I'd appreciate some US eyes to check that the details look OK - I'm rather more at home on the rainy and muddy jump tracks of the UK than the sunshine of California. For which reason, I won't be pursuing changing any of the other race moves from Hollywood Park, not for the moment anyway. Looked a straightforward move and the ref cited from the Bloodhorse.com confirmed that this is a continuation of the original race. -- Bcp67 ( talk) 09:08, 23 December 2014 (UTC)